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- 0:00I'm Holly Wehmins, and this is Pediatrics Now, brought to you by the Department
- 0:04of Pediatrics at UT Health San Antonio and University Health's new Women's and Children's Hospital.
- 0:11Today, I'm bringing you Grand Rounds. Let's listen in. It is my great pleasure to introduce Dr.
- 0:17Jeffrey Temple, who is a professor, licensed psychologist, and the Associate
- 0:21Dean for Clinical Research at the School of Behavioral Health Sciences at the
- 0:25UT Health Houston, where he also holds the Betty and Rose Pepper Bomb Chair
- 0:30in Child Mass Trauma and Resilience.
- 0:32As the director of the first CDC-funded Injury Control Research Center in Texas,
- 0:37his work focuses on the prevention of interpersonal and community violence,
- 0:41including firearm violence.
- 0:43He has been continuously federally funded by the National Institute of Justice,
- 0:47the NIH, and CDC since finishing his training.
- 0:50He has over 225 peer-reviewed scholarly publications in a variety of high-impact
- 0:54journals, including JAMA, JAMA Pediatrics, The Lancet Child and Adolescent Health,
- 0:59Pediatrics, and the Journal of Adolescent Health.
- 1:01He recently co-edited a book on adolescent dating violence, co-chaired the Texas
- 1:06Task Force on Domestic Violence, and served on the Board of Directors for the
- 1:09Society for Prevention, Research, and the Texas Psychological Association.
- 1:16He is an inaugural fellow of the Society for the Advancement of Violence and Injury Research.
- 1:21And locally, he served for seven years as the vice president of the Galveston
- 1:25Independent School District Board of Trustees.
- 1:27His work has been featured on Forbes, CNN, New York Times, Time Magazine,
- 1:32The Washington Post, and even the satirical website, The Onion.
- 1:35So ladies and gentlemen, please give a warm welcome to Dr. Jeffrey Temple.
- 1:39Hey, thank you so much, Dr. Ranch, and thank you all for being here.
- 1:43I want to start off by saying how much I love San Antonio and the UTSA system.
- 1:48I went to undergrad at UTSA in the 90s.
- 1:54I have the tattoo on my bicep to prove it of the Roadrunner,
- 1:58and really loved my time there.
- 2:00I met my wife. I was a Starbucks barista, and she was a customer,
- 2:05and we've been together since. So thank you all again for having me.
- 2:12I'm excited to present on adolescent relationships.
- 2:16This is what I've devoted my work to.
- 2:19When I started, I went to grad school at North Texas and was still working at
- 2:26Starbucks, but needed a research job and was at orientation.
- 2:32And one of the faculty rudely stood up and said, I need a research assistant.
- 2:39And she talked like that because she'd been smoking since she was like four years old.
- 2:44And I needed a real job and she was hiring and people told me not to work with
- 2:51her because she was crazy and they were absolutely right, but she was also fantastic
- 2:55and became my mentor and she studied domestic violence.
- 2:59And so I worked with her for my entirety of graduate training.
- 3:03And then when I went to Rhode Island to Brown to finish my internship and postdoc,
- 3:09I started working with a guy by the name of Greg Stewart and he was doing some really cool work.
- 3:22You have muted. Can you unmute yourself?
- 3:29Dr. Temple, I think you've muted your microphone.
- 3:37I don't even know how I did that. There you go. Thank you. What was the last thing I said?
- 3:46You guys weren't even listening, see? it was
- 3:50bad school and yeah you're still
- 3:53working at starbucks okay i went to brown all right so yeah
- 3:56so i wanted to do more like intervention work instead
- 3:59of just looking at the consequences of violence which i was doing at north texas
- 4:03and so at brown uh we went into these better intervention programs we treated
- 4:07the underlying symptoms like substance use and mental health and we saw concomitant
- 4:12reductions in violence but then i wanted to actually do something to prevent
- 4:16violence from ever happening.
- 4:18And so that's when I came to actually to UTMB for I was there for 17 years.
- 4:24And that's when I started to look at dating violence and adolescence and have
- 4:31been doing that ever since. And it was a really good time.
- 4:35I it was sort of at the beginning of when dating violence was getting some attention.
- 4:41So I was able to capitalize on that.
- 4:44I started a longitudinal study, which I'm going to be talking about today,
- 4:49uh, that is, uh, that we started in 2010 and we have been following the same 1000 people since then.
- 4:57So for the past 15 years, and we just got a grant to continue following them.
- 5:01In fact, I'll put that, uh.
- 5:04That grant here, those studies that have been funded by a variety of institutions.
- 5:10We've been going for a long time. And so we'll be following these people already from 15 to 30.
- 5:18And again, we just got that additional funding. So from 15 years old to 35 years
- 5:22old, looking at the idea originally was to look at risk and protective factors of partner violence.
- 5:29And now it's expanded because of all the years we have basically anything and
- 5:34everything. And I'll talk about a lot of that today.
- 5:38And, you know, mental health, substance use, sexting, which we'll talk about today.
- 5:44And even up until now, many of them, half of them are parents.
- 5:48So now we're adding a bunch of parenting stuff. And we are in the process of
- 5:53submitting an epigenetic study to collect,
- 5:56send them all spit kits so we can look at SNPs and telomeres and other things
- 6:02that I don't really understand and how that relates to the developmental data.
- 6:06So along the way, we've done some intervention studies as well,
- 6:11but today I'm primarily going to be talking about what we call dating at SAFE.
- 6:15That's the name of the study that I came up with almost 17 years ago, and it stuck.
- 6:22So when I first started this, there were very few studies at all on dating violence.
- 6:29There was, you know, some increasing studies in the late 90s, early 2000s.
- 6:37I think the first person to use the word teen dating violence was a study in 1996.
- 6:43And just slowly built up. But there was really no longitudinal studies,
- 6:48which was really important and not just sort of from an academic sense.
- 6:53If we want to prevent something, we have to know what comes first, right?
- 6:58So in the case of, say, something like substance use, you know,
- 7:02people would talk about how it's related to dating violence and our attitudes and behaviors.
- 7:08You know, if someone has a dismissive attitude toward violence against women,
- 7:14then they're more likely to abuse their partner. And that makes a whole lot of sense.
- 7:19But it could also be the case that someone who abuses their partner,
- 7:22in order to condone the behavior, starts to adopt those sort of justifying behaviors.
- 7:28So, you know, to adopt that it's OK to beat women.
- 7:32So it's not just an academic sense that we need this because we need to know
- 7:37like attitudes and behaviors and risk factors if they actually predict or precede
- 7:44violence if we want to design prevention programs.
- 7:47So that was the we were sort of the first one to do this long term longitudinal
- 7:52study. And I mentioned this earlier, you know, we started in 2010 when kids
- 7:57were in the ninth or 10th grade.
- 8:00And we have been conducting these surveys annually.
- 8:05And since wave 10, so this was in, I guess, 2020, we started to include current
- 8:11partners of participants, which means now we can do dyadic analyses so we could
- 8:17see if, which is pretty rare in the field.
- 8:20There's only been a few studies looking at partners, so we can see if one person's
- 8:25sort of mental health affects the other person's violence or vice versa.
- 8:30The mean age at the time was 15, and again, they're now about 30 years old.
- 8:36So you can look at the distribution here. This was at wave 13.
- 8:41When we first collected, the sample was closer to a little more females, but not this different.
- 8:47I guess this shows that women are easier to follow longitudinally.
- 8:53It's a really nice triethnic sample in the sense that there's a third Hispanic,
- 8:58a third black, and a third white.
- 9:01And then you can see here that 31% are married, but it's a little bit higher now.
- 9:06Closer to 47%, 46% have kids,
- 9:1117% identify as a gender, sexual minority, and it's a nice representative sample
- 9:17of socioeconomic level, 40% have an income below $50,000.
- 9:25So here's some of the study measures that we did, and there's a lot more than this.
- 9:31This is related to a lot of the violence items, but you can see that the waves
- 9:37next to it, 1 to 14, 12 to 14, when we added stuff.
- 9:40But it's everything from dating violence to sexual assault, all forms of substance
- 9:45use, a bunch of different mental health problems.
- 9:49Firearms we added in wave eight. If you look back, that coincides with the Sandy Hook shooting.
- 9:57That is the day after Sandy Hook, Obama loosened the restrictions on whether
- 10:03or not researchers could study firearms.
- 10:06And so we immediately added firearm questions to our longitudinal surveys and
- 10:11now have been following firearm use and got actually another grant from CDC
- 10:16to do in-depth interviews with known gun carriers. Was that our sample?
- 10:21So we can better understand just sort of basic stuff about how people get guns,
- 10:25how they store it, why they carry it, where they where they carry it,
- 10:31you know, all that sort of stuff.
- 10:32So it's uh uh it's now one of the longest running studies on firearm ownership
- 10:38that's ever existed given the dearth of research that was uh done prior to 2013.
- 10:47So here's a look at retention we've had a pretty amazing uh retention level if you look uh,
- 10:55Across all these years, from 2010 till now, 25, we had 79% of the original participants.
- 11:03And that includes those who have passed away, those in prison,
- 11:09those who said they no longer want to participate.
- 11:11So if you look at actual people that we could actually recruit,
- 11:15you know, those still alive and that want to participate, it's closer to 90%,
- 11:21which is pretty remarkable for a sample,
- 11:26a low-income, ethnically diverse sample recruited 15 years ago.
- 11:31And we did it through COVID in 2020.
- 11:36We maintained a pretty high retention rate even during those crazy times.
- 11:43So we did a, we have 70, a little bit more now, but from Dating It's Safe,
- 11:48we've published 70 articles from it.
- 11:52And one of the cool things, we actually have, I think now, 101 unique authors
- 11:57have contributed to publications, which is pretty amazing.
- 12:03I mean, that means 101 CVs have Dating It's Safe sample on it,
- 12:07which is really, really cool.
- 12:09And so we did this content analysis of the of the of the papers.
- 12:16So it's, you know, basically we look for themes and coded articles and then
- 12:21summarize those codes to see what we found.
- 12:24And so what we found was that some of this is new.
- 12:31Some of this is consistent with existing research. But we found that dating
- 12:36violence, victimization, and perpetration frequently co-occur.
- 12:42So that basically when you think of violent relationships, it's very rare that
- 12:48one person in the couple is sort of cowering in the corner like a Lifetime movie.
- 12:54In fact, it's sort of this idea that violence begets violence,
- 12:58that violent relationships are typically characterized by mutual or bi-directional violence.
- 13:07And you can see the numbers here.
- 13:10It's been pretty consistent. The first wave, when they were 15,
- 13:1716, that is lifetime prevalence.
- 13:21So it started out a little bit higher for things like physical perpetration and victimization.
- 13:26Every year after that was past year.
- 13:31And speaking of that, we did a really cool study. So if you look at everything
- 13:36that's available, it's always true.
- 13:40It's always like, uh, uh, you know, a third of kids or 20% of kids by the time
- 13:45they graduate high school or, um, you know,
- 13:49A third of people just in general will experience some form of physical or psychological violence.
- 13:57And that number is consistently reported everywhere.
- 14:03Now, if you look at this, though, and the reason that is, and we showed it with
- 14:07our previous slide, if you look at this, we sort of say the same thing, about 20%. saying.
- 14:14Uh, now though, when you look at this, we, cause most people do like retrospective,
- 14:21uh, have you ever been in a violent relationship or in the study,
- 14:25they just talk about past year violence and they use that.
- 14:28What we did is we looked at cumulative incidents of violence.
- 14:32So, uh, we did each year, if someone was newly violent, we included them.
- 14:39If they were already violent, we didn't.
- 14:41So you can see that here by the time they were age 26, 27% of participants has
- 14:48experienced sexual DV victimization, which is a lot higher than what the extant literature says.
- 14:5546% experienced physical DV victimization.
- 14:59Again, quite a bit higher than that 20, 30% that I mentioned earlier.
- 15:0339% perpetrated physical dating violence. Again, all of this higher than what.
- 15:10The extant literature shows.
- 15:12We see also that dating violence peaks around age 20, which is fairly consistent with the literature.
- 15:19But one thing that I think that's really important is it still increases after that.
- 15:25So if you look at, for example, age 22 to age 25, it went from 33.7 to 36.7.
- 15:33That's an additional 3% of people that are in newly violent relationships,
- 15:38Which means that we still need to be talking about prevention programs into
- 15:43the 20s with new couples.
- 15:48Some findings that we found, which is pretty neat, and I won't go through all
- 15:52of these, but I'll pick up some examples. We had parental IPV predicted.
- 16:00So if kids witnessed their parents violent toward each other,
- 16:03it increased their likelihood of being violent themselves.
- 16:07That in itself wasn't a novel finding. What was novel with ours is that we actually
- 16:12looked at whether they observed mother-to-father violence or father-to-mother violence.
- 16:17And what was cool, or well, not cool, but cool from a data standpoint,
- 16:22is that witnessing moms be violent toward dads was most predictive of kids'
- 16:30own violence, regardless of whether it was a boy or a girl witnessing the violence.
- 16:34Which was different and new to the literature and suggests that maybe when mom
- 16:39uses violence, there's just overall
- 16:41more violence in the relationship that causes them to use violence.
- 16:44Or it's that kids identify with their mothers more because they spend more time with their mom.
- 16:50And so if she's using violence, they're more likely to model that behavior.
- 16:55So that's important from an intervention standpoint.
- 16:59But it's also important from realizing that females also use violence and that
- 17:06their violence, even if it is resistance or protective.
- 17:11That it still is important because of the idea that violence begets violence.
- 17:16We also found in this study that was also cool is that acceptance of dating
- 17:23violence mediated the relationship between exposure to violence and perpetrating violence,
- 17:29which is neat because we often can't do anything about what happens at the home.
- 17:34You know, the parents will try, but parents are unfortunately going to steal
- 17:39and be violent toward each other.
- 17:42But if we can change attitudes about violence, then maybe we can stave that off a little bit.
- 17:49Second study that I want to talk here is this childhood corporal punishment study.
- 17:54And the reason I want to talk about that is it was one of the first studies
- 17:58to show that spanking your kid in and of itself above child physical abuse was
- 18:06predictive of later dating violence perpetration,
- 18:11which means that and people have been lobbying for this to include spanking
- 18:16and childhood corporal punishment as an adverse childhood experience.
- 18:21And I realized that several people on this call, including me,
- 18:25were spanked as kids. And some of us may even spank our own kids.
- 18:29And this is not demeaning any of us that do that.
- 18:33In fact, when I talked to the media about it, I sort of screwed up.
- 18:38And what happened in the media was I published on everything from,
- 18:42you know, sex to violence, to drugs, to firearms.
- 18:46And what I got the most criticism and literally death threats from was when
- 18:53I published this paper saying that spanking was related to dating violence perpetration.
- 18:59In fact, there was a article, if you guys remember, I don't know if it still
- 19:04exists, but the Facebook site, I Fing Love Science, they posted this paper.
- 19:09And within literally within 30 minutes, there were 30,000 comments and 29,000
- 19:16of them were bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
- 19:19And several was this, the author of this study needs to be spanked and stuff like that.
- 19:24So, uh, anyway, all that to say, I really screwed up and this is a good lesson
- 19:28for y'all on how I talked to the media, uh, for this one, you know,
- 19:33I was, uh, pretty upfront about it.
- 19:35You know, if you spank your kids, uh, they are more likely, and the media sort of ran with that.
- 19:40But what I should have said is, you know.
- 19:44If you have 10 kids and none of them were spanked, let's say one of those kids
- 19:50are going to go on to perpetrate dating violence.
- 19:52And then you have 10 kids, all of whom were spanked, and two of those kids are
- 19:57going to go on to perpetrate dating violence.
- 19:59So still eight of the kids are not going to perpetrate dating violence who are
- 20:02spanked, but it's 100% different from the kids who weren't spanked.
- 20:06So if I would have done it like that, it doesn't mean that your kid's going to.
- 20:10It's just more likely than if they weren't. That would have been a lot better.
- 20:13All right. So other things we have bullying, substance use, gender minority youth.
- 20:19We were one of the first groups to look at dating violence and same sex relationships.
- 20:25Found that it was for those that identify as sort of homosexual.
- 20:30They were pretty similar to heterosexual. It was those that identified as bisexual
- 20:35are questioning that it was more likely that they were in a violent relationship.
- 20:40But that tracks with a lot of the research out there that those kids are most
- 20:45susceptible to negative consequences. And it probably goes back to that,
- 20:50you know, they're not accepted by either side, so to speak.
- 20:54So a lot of uh kids that are born into mixed families that uh they get they
- 21:01get stressed from both sides if.
- 21:03Uh, victimization, similar, uh, uh, uh, correlates and predictors of victimization,
- 21:11uh, risky sexual behavior.
- 21:14Uh, we've looked at personality disorder. One of the biggest,
- 21:17uh, predictors is prior dating violence.
- 21:20And, uh, you know, that shouldn't be of any surprise to anyone here.
- 21:24Uh, but from an, uh, long-term standpoint,
- 21:28what's scary is dating violence predicts adult
- 21:32partner violence and we know the negative consequences and
- 21:36the fact that it costs us you know billions of
- 21:38literally billions of dollars uh every year
- 21:41as a nation in uh in uh
- 21:44lost time at work and uh criminal uh uh crime uh uh why can't i think of the
- 21:53word anyway the money it takes to investigate crimes and put people away and
- 21:58uh uh and then sickness as well and and health, uh, use.
- 22:04So we look at what it causes and perpetration, you know, everything,
- 22:09a host of mental health problems, worsening physical health, poor sleep,
- 22:15substance use, and then most recently saw that it increased the risk for parenting
- 22:19stress and child maltreatment.
- 22:21Similar things with victimization, suicidal ideation, risky sexual behavior,
- 22:27poor sleep, parenting stress, and child maltreatment.
- 22:30And of course, we talked a little bit about this, but the multi-generational impacts.
- 22:35And one of the cool things we're going to be doing with this study as we move
- 22:38forward, you know, I'm going to hopefully continue to get funding until I die
- 22:43or retire so that we'll follow these kids from, you know, when they're age 15
- 22:48to when they're age 50 or 60.
- 22:51And in the next round, we're going to recruit children of parents so we can
- 22:57really look at intergenerational impacts of things like violence and substance use and mental health.
- 23:03There's a lot of beginning research out there that shows things like adverse
- 23:09childhood experiences are heritable in a sense,
- 23:14probably through social aspects like poverty and stress.
- 23:23All right, so just to nail it down, You see that all these studies,
- 23:29we see that it impacts across generations,
- 23:34strong multigenerational relationship between risk and impact and underscore
- 23:39the interconnected nature of risk behaviors.
- 23:42We're starting to add more about protective factors because that in the research
- 23:48in general is less knowledgeable about what mitigates or protects kids from
- 23:54the harmful effects of violence or preventing violence from the beginning to begin with.
- 23:58So other areas of things that we've started to look at.
- 24:04Uh, on its own, uh, apart from violence necessarily is, um, mental health,
- 24:10substance use, firearms.
- 24:12And, uh, this last thing is what we're going to get into now,
- 24:16which I think is the more fun part of the talk.
- 24:19So if you've been bored so far, I promise it's going to get a lot more exciting,
- 24:22not, not a lot more, but maybe minimum, minimally exciting.
- 24:26So sexting is what we, uh, have, I, in 2012, um, I put out a,
- 24:33uh, article on, on sexting, teen sexting specifically.
- 24:37And it was, uh, uh, at the time it had reached like every major,
- 24:43uh, print outlet in the world. It was covered internationally.
- 24:48UTMB, uh, said that it had reached, I think it was close to 600, 700 million people.
- 24:55At the time, it was the, uh, most, uh, highly cited, uh, uh,
- 25:01talked about, uh, uh, research that had ever come out of UTMB.
- 25:08And then, uh, uh, just about two
- 25:10months after that study and all that 15 minutes of fame that I had, uh,
- 25:15we, uh, UTMB started to accept, uh,
- 25:19ebola patients and uh that sort
- 25:22of cornered the market so uh you know
- 25:25whatever i guess ebola is more more important than sexting uh
- 25:28the other fun uh thing that i had with sexting
- 25:31is i was on i literally did like two days straight of uh of of talking to news
- 25:39reporters about sexting i mean it was it was for the a while there because it
- 25:43was the first paper to ever come out about this Like you could Google my name
- 25:47and pictures of naked people would come up.
- 25:49Like it was a kind of a safe way to look at porn at work.
- 25:53Just by Googling my name. It's not that way anymore, unfortunately.
- 25:58But, you know, so anyway, I was on the live call with a radio station in Atlanta.
- 26:06And the guy introduces, you know, introduces the topic and starts talking about
- 26:13a kid that fell on a basketball court.
- 26:18Has got a pretty bad cut on his leg, has got sick, his mom took him to the doctor,
- 26:25doctor sent him home, and he ended up dying.
- 26:28And he goes on and on about this, and I'm sitting on the phone,
- 26:32live radio, thinking, what the hell does this have to do with sexting?
- 26:36Like, oh my God, what is he doing?
- 26:37What am I talking about? And then it clicked that he thought I was on to talk
- 26:42about sepsis and not sexting, and he came back to me and he said,
- 26:46And so, Doc, you know, what do you think about that story?
- 26:49And I, you know, I'm like, well, sir, I mean, that's terrible.
- 26:54But it sounds like you're that's sexist. I'm here to talk about sexting.
- 26:58And it was, you know, awkwardness ensued from there. But it was a fun little thing.
- 27:05Also, the New York Times, the Statement of Record, had claims that I am the
- 27:11one who came up with the word teen sexting or sexting.
- 27:16That is not true, but it is the paper of record So I'm going to go in to claim it until I die,
- 27:22That's the second time I mentioned I'm going to die. Hopefully it's a really long time away from now.
- 27:26But now that I said it, it's probably going to be today and you guys are going
- 27:29to learn about it tomorrow. All right.
- 27:32So why this research matters on sexting and social media and,
- 27:37you know, quote unquote kids these days.
- 27:42And I think we tend to see every new invention as we get scared for the kids, right?
- 27:50Like, what is this going to do to our kids? And we saw this with the telephone.
- 27:54We saw it with the automobile. We saw it with the Internet.
- 27:58And now we see it with smartphones. And you can see my example there,
- 28:02this picture of everyone says that these kids don't know how to form relationships.
- 28:07They don't talk to anyone anymore.
- 28:10We've always been the same social beings. And you can see that from that photo
- 28:14from it looks like the early 1900s where no one's talking to each other.
- 28:19They're reading the newspaper. And it's it's newspapers just been replaced with
- 28:24the phone. And I'm not naive.
- 28:25I get that we spend way too much time with our phones and all that.
- 28:29But, you know, it's not destroying kids is not destroying us.
- 28:33We'll talk a little bit about that here in a second.
- 28:36It's just a different way that we communicate with each other.
- 28:40And there's research, you know, there's a lot of people out there that the psychologists
- 28:45in particular that want to get their their day and day in the sunlight.
- 28:49And they talk about how smartphones are just destroying everything and relationships.
- 28:54But if you actually look at the data, substance use is down among teens.
- 29:00Pregnancy is down. Drinking and driving is down.
- 29:04Relationships are maybe not harmed as much as people think.
- 29:09And in fact, some of that stuff that I mentioned about substance use and sex
- 29:14and drinking and driving is a direct result of social media,
- 29:19for better and worse, right?
- 29:21Like we kids are getting their driver's license longer. They're staying at home more.
- 29:27And you can see some problems with that. They're not establishing their autonomy,
- 29:31their independence. They're not hanging out in different friend groups.
- 29:35They're not making the same mistakes that I made as a kid that that shaped me
- 29:40into who I am, but they're also safer. So there's a little bit of back and forth there.
- 29:44Now, there is increasing research that shows that kids are lonelier,
- 29:50more depressed, suicidality is up and there
- 29:53there's been a lot of people that link it to smartphones and that
- 29:56probably does play a role but you
- 29:59got to also remember that this generation has just
- 30:02gone through a world-changing pandemic that this generation and previous generations
- 30:08have had to worry about school shootings there's geopolitical strife there is
- 30:14a climate change That is quite literally making people move here in Houston.
- 30:20We have something every couple of years that floods and and people die and people
- 30:25have to move and it affects low income people the most.
- 30:28So, you know, yeah, it probably does impact kids, but I don't think it is as
- 30:35much the boogeyman as people say it is.
- 30:39Um, so this is another example, you know, at first someone could say,
- 30:44oh my God, look at the bright, sunny day.
- 30:46These two baseball players are just playing on their phones.
- 30:49But what you have to look at closer is that this is a Dominican player and a
- 30:53kid from South Dakota, and they're
- 30:56using the translate function on their phones to talk to each other.
- 30:59Something that couldn't have happened 10 years ago.
- 31:02And here, just to hammer it home a little bit, these things are confusing and
- 31:07harmful, create forgetfulness in the litter's souls because they will not use their memories.
- 31:12This could have been said about smartphone, but in fact, it was said about the
- 31:15printing press and literacy.
- 31:18And you can see the same thing throughout development on radio,
- 31:22developed a habit of dividing the tension between the humdrum preparation of
- 31:25their school assignments and the compelling excitement of the loudspeaker.
- 31:29On movies, corrupted morals of children or adults are in sight to crime.
- 31:33Might be a little bit true.
- 31:35On television, Hurt Radio, conversation, reading.
- 31:38And then I think the funniest ones are the email.
- 31:43Hurt's IQ more than pot. That is from C. These are actual headlines.
- 31:47Twitter and Facebook could harm moral values.
- 31:49Facebook and MySpace generation cannot form relationships. So all these things have been said.
- 31:56No research points to that these are accurate.
- 32:01None. And you can see the same thing about AI. Same things being said about AI.
- 32:06And, you know, eventually I'm going to be wrong, but, you know,
- 32:09we've been saying the same thing about everything forever.
- 32:12There's a news article talking about baseball from 1860-something and some older
- 32:21generation complaining about the way the younger generation is playing baseball.
- 32:26So it's just something that we like to do with younger generations.
- 32:30They're different from us. They're not as cool as us.
- 32:33They don't study as much. They whatever.
- 32:36In reality, this generation that's coming up is the smartest,
- 32:40most well-connected generation that's ever existed. And the generation after
- 32:44them will be smarter than them.
- 32:47All right. So getting to, you know, the word that I invented sexting, you can see this.
- 32:54Do you, Jackie, how are you? I'm fine. What are you wearing? I am horny.
- 32:57Fondest regards, Dickie. P.S. Super horny.
- 33:00I put that on here to actually say that we've always sexted.
- 33:03You look at some of the the, you know, 1600s and letters back and forth to people.
- 33:10They're quite graphic and uh and sexting
- 33:14if they had smartphones they would have done the same thing
- 33:17that the current generation is doing uh when
- 33:20i was a kid i certainly you know did the polaroid pictures uh and all that it's
- 33:27just the the difference is you know the polaroid picture would get to make worst
- 33:31case scenario maybe like 10 people would see it now the worst case scenario
- 33:35is literally billions of people can see it.
- 33:38All right, so we did this study.
- 33:42This is a meta-analysis that we did a few years back.
- 33:50It's actually my most cited paper. I think there's a thousand different papers that cited this paper.
- 33:57And it's looking at the prevalence of multiple forms of sextine.
- 34:01And what we found here was that 15% and 27% have sent and received a sext, respectively.
- 34:15So that's quite high. And then the prevalence of forwarding a sext without consent
- 34:20and having a sext forwarded without consent was 12% and 8% respectively.
- 34:25High, but not crazy high. We also had a mix of ages, and you saw as 12-year-olds
- 34:33were less likely than 17-year-olds.
- 34:36And if you looked at 17-, 18-year-olds, it's closer to half.
- 34:41So should we care about sexting? So this goes back to what I was talking about,
- 34:45what I like to call and others have called juvenile, right? Paranoid about juvenile actions.
- 34:50And, you know, I don't want my, my kids are 20 and 22 now, but when I was doing
- 34:57this research, they were in middle school and high school.
- 35:00And I would, you know, I don't want, I didn't want them saying they probably
- 35:03did. I didn't want them sexting.
- 35:04I would tell them that if they sext, you know, I'm going to give a talk at their
- 35:08school about sexting to hopefully scare them out of it.
- 35:12But should we care about it? And, you know, I think the easy,
- 35:16obvious answer is yes, of course, we don't want these kids sending naked pictures.
- 35:20It's going to hurt their chances to get into college and they're never going
- 35:24to have a job and all that sort of stuff.
- 35:26You know, we know that that is not necessarily true.
- 35:30And when we tell kids that, they know it's not true because they know their
- 35:34friends are sexting and nothing's happening to them.
- 35:37Uh, in fact, when I talk to kids about it, I usually say, uh,
- 35:41I introduce it as how many of y'all will wear a seatbelt on your way home.
- 35:46They, you know, a hundred percent of them raised their hands,
- 35:49uh, which is a public health miracle, by the way, because when I was a kid,
- 35:53that was, uh, uh, that was like wearing a mask and people, no one wanted to
- 35:57wear a seatbelt. Anyway.
- 35:59Um, so, uh, you know, they'll all raise their hands and I,
- 36:03and I'll say, you know, the chance of any of you getting in an accident on the
- 36:05way home is negligible so why why
- 36:09are you wearing your seat belt and they say just in case and so then i um take
- 36:14it back to sexting and try to at least speak their language a little bit uh
- 36:19when pokemon go came out uh there was a huge literally If you Google Pokemon,
- 36:28even now, Pokemon Go and police,
- 36:31you'll see that just about every city.
- 36:35Every media market in the country had a story,
- 36:39about how Pokemon Go was going to lead to kidnappings and, you know,
- 36:44stranger danger and people were going to, you know, die chasing these things and all that.
- 36:50And so really, no one, no one was kidnapped from Pokemon Go,
- 36:55despite all the news headlines about it.
- 36:58I think one person died. They were they were trying to catch a Pokemon on a
- 37:05cliff and fell off the cliff and died.
- 37:07And, you know, that's terribly sad, but the truth is they probably deserve to
- 37:11die. And it's probably good that they're out of our gene pool.
- 37:15I'm kidding, of course. And I say that I said that joke at a conference one
- 37:19time dryly and, you know, got the expected reaction, some laughs, some groans.
- 37:25And after the fact, some woman came up to me just totally, totally like just
- 37:31looked mortified with dry.
- 37:33And she said, you know, that was that was my cousin who died.
- 37:38And she'd like carry it forward for like two minutes and I'm sitting there red-faced
- 37:43and apologizing and then she breaks out in laughter.
- 37:46She was joking, of course, but that was a great... So hopefully you guys don't
- 37:51know the person who died.
- 37:52All right, so teens, they think about sex.
- 37:56This goes back to whether or not we care about sexting. They have sex quite a bit.
- 38:02They're going to continue having sex and one thing that we all know is that
- 38:06us telling them not to have sex does not work. In fact, might be iatrogenic
- 38:12and increase the likelihood of them having sex.
- 38:14You know, we tell kids not to do stuff, not to drink, not to have sex.
- 38:19All the while talking about how great drinking is and how great sex is.
- 38:23So we have to do a better job of communicating to them.
- 38:27And so our focus should be less on preventing sex at all costs and more on preventing unwanted,
- 38:36trafficked, and unsafe sex, preventing forward and non-consensual sex,
- 38:40and you'll see that as a theme in the next 10 minutes,
- 38:43and then promote healthy relationships, including sex-positive relationships,
- 38:47obviously not with young adolescents you know
- 38:50but you know when kids get 16 17 18
- 38:53uh we again still don't
- 38:56necessarily want them to have sex i didn't want my
- 38:59kids to have sex i hope they didn't but i was also not stupid and i put condoms
- 39:02in the bathroom and also plan b uh all right so again going back to do we care
- 39:09there was there is some uh consequences to things like this and you can You
- 39:14see there's a Netflix documentary.
- 39:17I think it's called The Worst Person on the Internet or something like that.
- 39:20And it is very disturbing.
- 39:23It's all about sexting and about revenge porn and people using sext against
- 39:28them, sextortion, or bully them until it drives them to, in the case of Jessica Logan, suicide.
- 39:37So we see this with Trevor, the Trevor Project.
- 39:42I can't remember his last name. the college student who was bullied for being gay.
- 39:49So there are potential consequences, but we don't know them.
- 39:53So what we did was we did a meta-analysis to look at things,
- 39:59whether or not it was related to sexting.
- 40:01So there was some research out there that shows that it's related to sexual
- 40:05behavior, to substance use, to delinquency, and to depression and anxiety.
- 40:10There were also studies that showed that it was not related to these things.
- 40:14So we did a meta-analysis of, I can't remember how many studies it was.
- 40:20It was like 31 studies, 29 studies or something, but basically of about 40,000 participants.
- 40:26And what we found was pretty interesting.
- 40:29And you're going to think when I first do this that I thought you were trying
- 40:34to dispel some of the alarm around sexting.
- 40:38And I'll get to that in a second. But if you see this, sexual activity is highly related to sexting.
- 40:46Delinquent behavior is related to sexting. Depression and anxiety is related to sexting.
- 40:51Alcohol use, drug use, smoking related to sexting.
- 40:54Now, what this study has is now a bit dated.
- 40:59And what we know now that it reflects a lot of like in-person real life behavior.
- 41:07That unwanted sex we know is related.
- 41:13So a kid has unwanted sex as a 16 or 17-year-old.
- 41:18We know that that's related to bad outcomes. A kid is raped as a 16-year-old, 17-year-old.
- 41:25We know that's related to bad outcomes.
- 41:27A 14-year-old has sex. We know that is related to bad outcomes.
- 41:32And when we start to tease apart this data, We find remarkably similar experiences
- 41:40to in-person, real-life sex.
- 41:43So when sexting was non-consensual, when it was forced, when the kid was younger,
- 41:49that's when we see the negative outcomes.
- 41:52Two 17-year-olds having consensual sex, our two 17-year-olds consenting to sexting
- 41:59each other, is not related to bad outcomes.
- 42:02So that's sort of the nuanced difference.
- 42:05All right. The study that started this all, this was the study that I published
- 42:10in 2012. You see Brian W. Temple there. That's my brother.
- 42:16He's a pediatrician. He did not do anything for the study.
- 42:20I just thought I needed an MD on there to get it published in JAMA Pediatrics. And it worked.
- 42:26He read the page. I was ethical, you know, whatever. Anyway,
- 42:30he's a great pediatrician. If you ever get a chance to work with him, he's in Austin.
- 42:35He's a good dude. All right, so we published this paper, and what we found was
- 42:40a lot higher than what people were reporting at the time or thought at the time.
- 42:45And when I say people, I mean people that didn't know kids.
- 42:48If you looked at, if you asked teachers, they thought these numbers were low.
- 42:52But basically, a third of kids had sent a picture, asked 46% males asked,
- 42:59and then had been asked 68% of females.
- 43:02Now this was 2012.
- 43:05Smartphones were only in existence for four years at that point.
- 43:09These numbers are remarkably higher in terms of being asked.
- 43:13Basically 100% of girls have been asked to send a naked picture and a lot of boys too.
- 43:20Then I asked about bothered. I have a couple of good stories about that,
- 43:23but I'm going to skip it for the sake of time.
- 43:26But basically what we found here was those who sexted were more likely to have
- 43:33sex than those who had not sexted, which isn't totally surprising. Right.
- 43:38I mean, if you're already having sex, you're probably likely sexting and maybe vice versa.
- 43:44But we didn't really know, which has really important points.
- 43:47Like if we're wanting to prevent unsafe sex and sexting is predictive of sex,
- 43:53well, then we would want to prevent sexting to prevent sex. So it's not just an academic question.
- 43:59So to do that, and I'll give you just a couple seconds to digest this best cartoon ever.
- 44:06Yeah. So sometimes I choose to put this on and sometimes I choose not to.
- 44:11But I thought you guys were a good crowd.
- 44:14Anyway, so we looked at this longitudinally to see if sexting came first or sex came first.
- 44:21And what we found was that actually being asked and asking for a sex was not related to actual sex,
- 44:30but it was related to sending a sex and sending a sex was related to having sex.
- 44:36So it preceded sex, which is really important from a prevention standpoint if
- 44:42we want to prevent unsafe sex.
- 44:44And so a lot of kids in the United States hate me because when this study came
- 44:49out, I did my media tour and, you know, someone on the radio would ask.
- 44:55So what obviously, invariably rather, would ask what advice I have for parents.
- 45:01And I would say, if you're with your kid right now, pull over and talk to your
- 45:06kids about sex and safe sex and healthy relationships and keep talking to them about it.
- 45:13So that, you know, that was my hope that that this research came out of this research.
- 45:19All right. So shouldn't we care about sexting?
- 45:22And, uh, the, the, what I come back to is maybe, I, you know,
- 45:26I, I don't care if two 17 year olds are sexting each other.
- 45:30Uh, I, you know, who cares? I also don't care if two 17 year olds are consensually
- 45:36having sex, uh, from a public health standpoint, I just don't care.
- 45:40Also, that's me in the picture when I used to have, uh, hair like that.
- 45:45I have hair, really pretty hair now, but when I had hair that was,
- 45:48uh, that sort of, uh, up in the front.
- 45:52Yeah, that was me. But we should care about it when it's younger kids,
- 45:57when it is forced or non-consensual or coerced. That's when we should care about it.
- 46:05All right. So all this stuff, we talked about dating violence.
- 46:08We talked about unsafe sex and non-consensual sexting. And so what do we do about it?
- 46:15I want to have time for questions and we have about five more minutes to talk
- 46:19about this uh we have a program that uh we,
- 46:24adapted from canada it's called fourth r reading
- 46:27writing arithmetic and relationships the fourth r stands for relationships and
- 46:32so uh what this does is teaches kids how to be in a relationship and if i were
- 46:37to ask y'all how if you were taught how to be in a relationship i assume none
- 46:41of you would raise your hands because we're not taught this really essential human skill, right?
- 46:47We're taught how to play music, how to be creative, how to write,
- 46:53how to read, all that stuff. But we're not taught how to be in a relationship.
- 46:57So this is the idea is to teach these relationship skills like we teach other things.
- 47:02And it's really focused on what I really like is that it's not just on preventing violence.
- 47:10What I think and what some of our research is bearing out is that we can target
- 47:16relationships as a sort of protective factor to prevent a lot of bad outcomes.
- 47:23Uh, and you know, it makes sense, you know, if, uh, and, and how do kids learn
- 47:28how to be in a relationship now?
- 47:30Well, they learn from their, their friends who equally suck at it.
- 47:33They learn from the media, which sucks. They learn from their parents, which may be good.
- 47:38And, but even well-intentioned parents, they might argue in front of their kids,
- 47:42uh, and then make up elsewhere, uh, or they learn from trial and error.
- 47:46So the fact that most kids do okay, uh, is impressive.
- 47:50Uh, but we want them to do better than okay. Right. We want them to to excel
- 47:56and to be healthy and happy and have those positive relationships,
- 48:00not just a nonviolent relationship.
- 48:03So we talked to we have different lessons. So this is taught in class.
- 48:08We teach the coaches because our health teachers who are usually coaches and
- 48:12especially in Texas, we give them the lesson plans and there's these different
- 48:18themes and they take it over.
- 48:20And we also have one on healthy eating.
- 48:23Going back to some of the things I like about it, it targets multiple problem behaviors.
- 48:29I mentioned that earlier, which is great because, you know, the way schools
- 48:34have it now is they have an assembly on bullying, our Red Ribbon Week to talk
- 48:38about substance use, maybe a guest speaker to talk about violence,
- 48:41all that sort of stuff. Those don't work.
- 48:43We know that those one offs do not work.
- 48:46We know that there's a dose response. The higher the dose, the better the response.
- 48:50So this program replaces again, replaces health class and is a semester or a
- 48:55year long and gives them these skills to be healthy relationships.
- 49:00So it's universally focused, which is great, because then there's,
- 49:04you know, no stigma by taking out the bad kids, quote unquote,
- 49:09and then putting them with other bad kids, which only teaches them how to be
- 49:12good criminals. Alternative schools.
- 49:15Juvenile detention centers are just stupid. They don't work,
- 49:19and they actually are iatrogenic.
- 49:22So anyway, the whole class or whole school is involved is great.
- 49:27And it's, again, about positive youth development. It's not just about avoid,
- 49:32avoid, avoid, but how to be happy and healthy.
- 49:35We also show that it works. So you can ignore that consort diagram.
- 49:39But basically, what we what we found with the initial year is that it reduced violence.
- 49:45People that receive we did a randomized controlled trial 12 middle schools got
- 49:49the intervention 12 schools had health class as usual and we saw that the intervention
- 49:54schools kids and those did better in terms of reduced violence a year later.
- 50:00We also saw that it continued to prevent violence three years later and then
- 50:05in our most recent study which I guess I don't have a slide for just came out
- 50:10was that five years later,
- 50:13so we implemented this in seventh grade,
- 50:15five years later when they were seniors in high school, kids that received the
- 50:19program were less depressed than kids who did not, which is amazing.
- 50:24This fairly cheap, cheap, not fairly cheap, cheap program implemented in seventh
- 50:31grade had kids less depressed five years later.
- 50:35If we can do this nationwide, imagine the impressive results that we can have.
- 50:43Uh, we've been doing a lot of work with 4th R. We're still studying it.
- 50:47We're adapting it for a juvenile detention population. We're adapting it for,
- 50:51uh, uh, kids in foster homes. We're looking at it with community colleges and
- 50:57colleges. So we're doing a lot of work with this.
- 51:00I'm going to skip this side, but know that we have a texting,
- 51:03uh, um, intervention as well. That, uh, is pretty cool.
- 51:10This is my favorite quote. If you're going to do anything to the common man,
- 51:13you have to start before he becomes a man.
- 51:15It's a little sexist, but you get what it's saying.
- 51:21Here's my team and my contact information. Feel free to email me with data requests
- 51:27or anything else. My data is your data.
- 51:31Taxpayers fund our research, and they should get to use it. So I am going to
- 51:36stop sharing and open it up for questions.
- 51:41Dr. Temple, thank you for that just outstanding presentation and amazing data.
- 51:46And also for reminding us not to Google your name.
- 51:50But as Dr. Temple said, open up for questions. You can either raise your hand
- 51:54and unmute yourself or go ahead and enter it into the chat. Don't be shy.
- 52:04I was told at the beginning of this that there's sometimes a lot of questions
- 52:09when it's an engaging talk.
- 52:11So not having any questions is deeply hurting my feelings.
- 52:17I guess while we're waiting, I'll start. Early on in your talk,
- 52:20you talked about how dating violence was basically like a two-way street,
- 52:26which is amazing to me. I'd never come across that.
- 52:29So were you able to stand on, I guess, the data that showed that or supported that?
- 52:34Yeah. So we and I actually started this when I was at North Texas.
- 52:38We were some of the we I say we it was my my mentor was one of the first people
- 52:44to look at sort of bi-directional relationships because at that time,
- 52:48you know, you weren't like and I'm not kidding when I say you could not talk
- 52:52about female to male violence.
- 52:54I did that at one early talk and I got basically thrown people through tomatoes at me there.
- 53:01People did not want to think about the fact that women can be violent as well,
- 53:07uh, because it was like, we were blaming them, but you know, it's not blaming them.
- 53:13It's just the fact that violence begets violence.
- 53:16So one of the reasons we know that, uh, batter intervention programs for the
- 53:20longest time didn't work is because they didn't get these dudes in there who
- 53:25were violent and needed to be in there.
- 53:28And then they would give them some tools to not be violent.
- 53:31And then they would go back to the same relationship and the woman would use
- 53:36violence and then he would use violence because his tools were run out or they
- 53:40would continue drinking together.
- 53:42And that's not blaming the victim here, the woman here. They're smaller.
- 53:47They're the ones that end up in the emergency room. They're the ones that are
- 53:50psychologically abused and sexually abused. They're the real victims in this.
- 53:55But by ignoring their use of violence, we do a disservice to them as well.
- 54:01And so that's what our data shows, is that it is a two-way street.
- 54:05But please don't mistake that as that men are, that there should be a battered
- 54:12husband syndrome or something like that.
- 54:14That's not what we're saying with this data. We're just saying we can't ignore it.
- 54:20Thank you. There is a question in the chat from Dr. Gong. She asks,
- 54:23have you looked at rates of premature births in your cohort?
- 54:26You know, that's a fantastic question. And we have not with this.
- 54:31And I'm kind of surprised because I've worked with the Premature Birth Network
- 54:36on some other studies, and I'm surprised I haven't thought of that.
- 54:40Uh, and I, I don't know, I wonder if kids them, you know, now they're 30,
- 54:47I wonder if they know if they were premature births.
- 54:49Uh, but that is such a good question that we are designing our survey right now for the next wave.
- 54:56And I think it's definitely worth the real estate to ask them that.
- 55:01Uh, that's, that's really cool. And especially with our future studies where
- 55:06we're going to include their children, we should, we'll definitely ask the parents
- 55:10about their children because they'll definitely know, right?
- 55:13So that's a, that's a really cool question. Thank you for asking that.
- 55:18In fact, I'm going to copy it so I don't forget. And Dr.
- 55:24Gong, if you're interested in the data, you know, hit us up and you can,
- 55:28you can have first doctor.
- 55:32Thank you. This is Dr. Gong. Actually, I'm looking at it from the perspective
- 55:37of the recent article about the causes of maternal mortality being more related
- 55:45to what you're talking about.
- 55:46And so in one of the things that I'm interested in is how to prevent prematurity.
- 55:52So if we have people that have more violence, do they have more babies that are born premature?
- 55:59Or would they themselves premature, which also talks about history of violence,
- 56:05because then you have violence at birth as well.
- 56:08So it's fascinating. I love it. And Dr.
- 56:13Gong, I was in the department of OBGYN at UTMB for 17 years,
- 56:16and it used to piss me off that what you said is the main causes of premature death,
- 56:24maternal mortality was stuff that was preventable.
- 56:29Right. So violence, homicide, suicide, drug use, substance use.
- 56:34And we got such, and I say we being a psychologist and a behavioral health researcher,
- 56:40if you look at the amount of funding for those types of things versus, you know,
- 56:47ectopic pregnancy or whatever causes bad stuff on the physical side,
- 56:51you know, it dwarfed it.
- 56:54And so I'm glad you brought that up. Well, there was just New England Journal
- 56:59article that reported that data,
- 57:03which everybody works on cardiovascular and pre-enclampsia and so forth,
- 57:07but actually violence and way overshadows those numbers.
- 57:15And as an enatologist, you see that there's a lot of dysfunctionality in families
- 57:22that have premature babies.
- 57:24So it would be great to look into that and hopefully that can prevent other
- 57:31things when we understand the role that violence plays. Yep, absolutely.
- 57:38I'm looking at this recently. There's been a lot of news and concerns about
- 57:41the online groups promoting misogyny, nihilism and violence in general.
- 57:45Data connectedness, more extreme online behavior to sexting gateway risky online
- 57:49behavior. So it's a really good question.
- 57:52And and, you know, with incels and everything else.
- 57:56And if you look at mass shootings, this is to your point.
- 57:59If you look at mass shootings you see
- 58:02one common denominator and it's typically some sort
- 58:06of misogyny or racism or hatred
- 58:09that seems to be the the underlying factor
- 58:12so you see i think it's like 60 percent of mass shooters have a history of uh
- 58:18family violence so yeah this point is fantastic now whether or not sexing is
- 58:23a gateway i doubt it and i and i say this as well let me let me Let me couch
- 58:29that a little bit differently.
- 58:31I think it is, and data starts to bear this out, is that it is someone who consensually
- 58:38sexed is probably no more likely
- 58:41to have any of these other types of stuff than someone who does not.
- 58:46Now, if someone is sextorting someone or posting revenge porn or coercing someone
- 58:54or sending dick pics without consent, Absolutely.
- 58:59I bet that that is related to, you know, that sort of antisocial behavior is
- 59:04related to these other antisocial behaviors.
- 59:07So, yes, but consenting the vast majority of people who kids who sex probably no more likely.
- 59:19No one even asked about my onion article.
- 59:23But if you look at Google onion and sex figures. Maybe they're Googling it.
- 59:28Yeah, I've had like three different. That's when I knew I made it,
- 59:32is when three different onion pieces talked about my research. And it's pretty good.
- 59:39All right. Any final questions before we finish up with Dr. Temple here?
- 59:47And I know most of you aren't. UTSA necessarily, but fear the beak.
- 59:52Go Roadrunners. Thank you all so much for having me. Dr. Ranch,
- 59:56thank you very much. I appreciate all that y'all do for kids.
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