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The Soul Behind The Lens That Creates Moving Art Louie Schwartzberg · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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Speaker 1: your exploration. Hello, and good afternoon. How are you doing good?
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Speaker 2: I'm doing great. Is this gonna be video or just audio?
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Speaker 1: No, I'm a radio guy. I'm one of those people.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be very artsy with you as well. I
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Speaker 1: believe in theater, the mind and the pictures we paint
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Speaker 1: inside our imagination is something that I believe you also
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Speaker 1: tap into.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's fine, So don't need to turn on my camera.
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Speaker 1: Right Nah, you don't need to, huh. I'm just one
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Speaker 1: of those people that believe that when you're driving or
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Speaker 1: you're sitting at work and you're listening to an incredible conversation,
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Speaker 1: if we stop to look at the picture, we missed
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Speaker 1: the message.
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Speaker 2: But I do like to looking into your eyes and
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Speaker 2: seeing what from.
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Speaker 1: The spirit you got Oh, it's very much alive. And well,
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Speaker 1: what you'd have to do is look at this studio,
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Speaker 1: which is filled with Native American spirituality tools. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's that's the path I walk, sir.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'd love to give me a glimpse of it
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Speaker 2: and turn it off if you want.
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Speaker 1: There you go. Here I am in the story.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm here you go. Yeah, okay, wait, I'm going
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Speaker 2: to give you. I'll give you a quick peak of me,
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Speaker 2: because it's always good to connect, you know, on a
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Speaker 2: visual level as well.
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Speaker 1: There you go. So you you believe in connecting with
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Speaker 1: the inner soul, then when when you're talking about the
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Speaker 1: eyes and everything of another human being, you want to
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Speaker 1: be able to get inside.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think. I mean obviously since I we'll
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Speaker 2: talk about Mormon like. I'm a visual guy, I really understand.
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Speaker 2: I think what's happening when light energy hits your retina,
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Speaker 2: you know, and then creates this image, which then creates,
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Speaker 2: you know, hormones which say I feel good talking to you.
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Speaker 2: I don't feel good talking to.
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Speaker 1: You, see, and that's what I feel in watching your videos.
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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, four seasons here, I swear to God,
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Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be eight or nine,
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Speaker 1: because I mean it is That's the one thing about
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Speaker 1: it is you can go back and just do Like
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Speaker 1: what my wife and I do, we watch it over
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Speaker 1: and over again. O beautiful Because I had a photographer
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Speaker 1: when I was at WBTV and Charlotte, and he used
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Speaker 1: to tell me all the time, it's not what you're saying,
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Speaker 1: it's what they're feeling and it's what they're seeing. And
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Speaker 1: so when I had to trust him, and so when
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Speaker 1: I came across you, I'm going, oh my god, I
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Speaker 1: wish I would have had you as my photographer.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, capturing the feeling at the moment did you
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Speaker 2: squeeze the button? Is the magic? Imparts it to you?
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Speaker 1: Is that what you feel the moment that it's happening,
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Speaker 1: Because I mean, we know sometimes what it's like to
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Speaker 1: be a perfectionist as an artist because I'm born during
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Speaker 1: the cancer season, so therefore I know what perfectionist is.
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Speaker 2: Right. No, I think it's critical to be able to
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Speaker 2: feel it when you're capturing it, so that even when
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Speaker 2: you're down in post production and editing or dark room,
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Speaker 2: you're remembering the feeling because what you want to do
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Speaker 2: is communicate that feeling to the viewer.
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Speaker 1: And does that also include when I read that, you know,
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Speaker 1: watching your art videos, it lowers your stress sixty eight percent,
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Speaker 1: so therefore you've already entered the season sixty eight percent
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Speaker 1: and you know stressless.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. It all happens magically, unknowingly, which is beautiful, so
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Speaker 2: you don't have to do anything about it. What a
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Speaker 2: gift that is. I mean, do you know that in
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Speaker 2: the millisecond when you're looking at someone that you, let's say,
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Speaker 2: you feel you want to connect with, it changes your
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Speaker 2: heart rate, it does, you know, And that's called heart rate.
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Speaker 2: You know. Variability and coherence are the scientific terms for it.
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Speaker 2: The other way is like, hey, I just dig you,
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Speaker 2: you turn me on. That's another way of looking at it.
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Speaker 2: And it happens, you know, immediately, and then when the
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Speaker 2: heart gets activated to send signals to the brain that
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Speaker 2: says I want to get to know you.
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Speaker 1: That's got to be the very reason why I live
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Speaker 1: in this beautiful forest here in South Charlotte is because
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Speaker 1: I am wowed every day, Because I mean I can
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Speaker 1: send out invitations to all the animals that come in
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Speaker 1: here every day. But I think they come in here
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Speaker 1: because they just enjoy this place of peace, of course.
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Speaker 2: And what you're doing with the trees again is you're
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Speaker 2: being turned on, not it's like in a sexual way,
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Speaker 2: but in an energetic way that there is beauty coming
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Speaker 2: from those trees, and you're connecting with that energy between
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Speaker 2: you and the tree and the tree and you right
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Speaker 2: and then and you're you're flourishing because you're feeling that
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Speaker 2: energy that wants both of you to continue to stay alive.
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Speaker 2: And the the kicking butt.
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Speaker 1: So now the idea to do moving art, I mean,
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Speaker 1: how did that come to you? Because I know what
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Speaker 1: it's like when an idea comes to me and you
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Speaker 1: kind of just sit there and you kind of shove
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Speaker 1: it to the side and okay, I'll get around to it.
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Speaker 1: Was it like that or was it I knew what
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Speaker 1: it was the second it came to me.
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Speaker 2: Well, I would say that, you know, in my early
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Speaker 2: you know years in college when I was learning film,
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Speaker 2: I did experimental film. The films I made, if they
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Speaker 2: were just purely from me at that time, we were like,
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Speaker 2: you know, crazy, We're like nature in music and not
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Speaker 2: The old fashioned story of Aquanac two Act three of
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Speaker 2: Killer Be Killed, a conflict fear drama. It was like
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Speaker 2: nature and music that takes you on the journey into
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Speaker 2: different ecosystems. I've always enjoyed taking people on trips like that,
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Speaker 2: and so what happened? Gosh, Almost thirty forty years later,
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Speaker 2: I met the CTO from Netflix at a Ted talk
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Speaker 2: and they were launching four K streaming for the very
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Speaker 2: first time about seven or eight years ago. They didn't
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Speaker 2: have any content to take to the Consumer Electronics Show,
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Speaker 2: and so he knew I had this library of imagery
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Speaker 2: which I've been archiving my whole life of you know,
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Speaker 2: high quality, high resolution magic moments in nature. And I said, like,
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Speaker 2: I'll put together a demo for you for your you know,
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Speaker 2: for the Consumer Electronic Show, but it'll be my way,
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Speaker 2: so you do. I went, I just did what an
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Speaker 2: artist would do. I create, you know, a visual journey
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Speaker 2: and with great music that takes you into forest, flowers, deserts, oceans.
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Speaker 2: And it was like a big hit at the show,
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Speaker 2: and because of that, they put it on Netflix, which
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Speaker 2: was great. I got a ton of views, tons of comments,
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Speaker 2: but the comments veered into this whole world where people
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Speaker 2: were saying that it is it's a healing modality. Now
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Speaker 2: I kind of knew that on my soul. We all
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Speaker 2: know that nature is good for you, you know, for
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Speaker 2: it's bathing all that stuff. But people were actually saying,
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Speaker 2: I've had a major breakthrough with my children with autism.
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Speaker 2: Got three or four parents that emailed me that teenagers
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Speaker 2: that were suicidal. I w'st sly, people talking about stress
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Speaker 2: and anxiety, having anxiety from a severe diagnosis, post off
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Speaker 2: pre op, and very significantly, people sharing the fact that
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Speaker 2: it's very helpful with end of life anxiety.
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Speaker 1: Please do not move. We are really just getting started
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Speaker 1: with Louis Schwarzburg. This is the man the creator of
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Speaker 1: moving arts. Now in season number four, we are back
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Speaker 1: with Louis Schwarzburg. So you're not gonna, hopefully won't think
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Speaker 1: I'm really weird because when people ask me all the
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Speaker 1: time what your work of art is, I always tell
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Speaker 1: him that it's it's head art. In other words, you
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Speaker 1: get into my head and you allow me to say,
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Speaker 1: there's nothing else going on in the world right now
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Speaker 1: except for this moment of mindfulness, and so I call
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Speaker 1: it head art is what I do.
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Speaker 2: Right So anyways, that's what kind of triggered it. And
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Speaker 2: then after it is a licensing period which eventually expired
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Speaker 2: after about six or seven years, probably thirty forty million
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Speaker 2: people have viewed it. I then used it to create
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Speaker 2: my own streaming platform because I do believe that if
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Speaker 2: the imagery is healing, then we have to have a
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Speaker 2: platform for other conscious creators like myself, where you tell
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Speaker 2: the new story what we need to have no longer
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Speaker 2: about fear, conflict and exploitation and horror and torture and vengeance.
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Speaker 2: Those are the easiest buttons suppressed to get like a
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Speaker 2: primal response out of a body. The other stuff like
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Speaker 2: love and hope and optimism and beauty is another way
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Speaker 2: to get turned on. They're both emotions. So it's not
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Speaker 2: about saying this kind of content is better than that.
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Speaker 2: There are different emotions that trigger different physiological effects on
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Speaker 2: your body which can be measured, and we can talk
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Speaker 2: about it, but certainly we know what fear does. Fear
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Speaker 2: is adrenaline. Adrenaline turns into cortisol and and that shortens
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Speaker 2: your life. The opposite emotion of that is, you know,
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Speaker 2: beauty and love and joy, which generates serotonin and endorphins
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Speaker 2: in your body, and it tells every sell in your
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Speaker 2: body a fuck Yeah, I'm alive. Let's make let's make
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Speaker 2: more in me. I'm digging this thing. I'm in sync
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Speaker 2: with everything that's growing, not dying or being killed. And
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Speaker 2: then yeah, you live longer. And that's been proven physiologically
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Speaker 2: and studies as well. I mean, while it's near that
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Speaker 2: looking at like negative energy is bad for your psychology,
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Speaker 2: your mind, but the fact is it's measurable in your physiology.
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Speaker 2: And people I think should wake up to the fact
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Speaker 2: that they should be careful about what they want to
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Speaker 2: put into their body, just as they are with's like
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Speaker 2: healthy food. Correct, it's no different. You're actually putting energy
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Speaker 2: into your body that affects your physiology. And I think
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Speaker 2: moving art is like instant medicine because visuals hit the
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Speaker 2: retina in the middleisecond and dolphins and serotonins are going
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Speaker 2: through your body. It's better than going to a place
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Speaker 2: where they give you an ivy. So I hate that
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Speaker 2: the idea of like having to get like an ivy
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Speaker 2: or a shot to like make you better. When you
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Speaker 2: have energy around you, that's life affirming that if you
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Speaker 2: trigger your body to activate that chemistry, you can just
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Speaker 2: do it on your own.
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Speaker 1: Wow, you are amazing with pace. A lot of comedians
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Speaker 1: will always talk about it's in the pace, it's in
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Speaker 1: the pause. Where did you fine tune your art of pace?
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Speaker 2: From the greatest teacher of all time? Mother Nature?
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Speaker 1: Oh, look at you.
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Speaker 2: I love it. God, I mean it's there. I mean pacing.
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Speaker 2: Look at the rhythms and patterns in nature, the ocean,
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Speaker 2: wave crash, the way it comes in sets, looking at
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Speaker 2: the river, looking at the wind, looking at the clouds,
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Speaker 2: especially when you all your time and scale, which I
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Speaker 2: do with my time lapse and then slow mo so
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Speaker 2: that you can see it from a different point of view.
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Speaker 2: The point of view of a tree, the point of
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Speaker 2: view of a honeybird, the point of view of a flower.
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Speaker 2: They're all valid points of view in different time frames.
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Speaker 2: And that totally when it opened up my mind, and
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Speaker 2: I think it opens up others, because that's when it
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Speaker 2: becomes a spiritual experience. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Do you see trees and rocks being the greatest storytellers
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Speaker 1: of all time?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? The opinion for billions of years. I think they've
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Speaker 2: had a lot of R and D that went into
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Speaker 2: making them survive and be beautiful and be appreciated.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. As an artist, what are some of the craziest
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Speaker 1: things that you've done. And the reason why I bring
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Speaker 1: that up is because I'm currently on a project right
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Speaker 1: now where I believe that if I plant my writing
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Speaker 1: instruments in the soil two to three feet down, then
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Speaker 1: these trees and rocks are going to find a way
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Speaker 1: to speak to me. Do you do things like that,
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Speaker 1: because I mean, as artist, it feels like we have
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Speaker 1: a legal license to do whatever we want if we
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Speaker 1: affect other people's lives.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that what you're doing and what you're
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Speaker 2: describing is breaking out of the norm that the only
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Speaker 2: way to communicate, let's say, with people is like to
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Speaker 2: talk to them or write a letter. What you did,
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Speaker 2: I think is brilliant because there's layers of energy we
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Speaker 2: don't understand obviously, you know, whether it's telepathy and esp
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Speaker 2: you know, we're probably just scratching the surface on it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, most scientific experts is that there are other
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Speaker 2: layers of reality we don't know how to connect to.
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Speaker 2: So if you're burying your writing instruments near the roots
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Speaker 2: of the tree hoping that they'll communicate, it's so different
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Speaker 2: than me, you know, doing a little rain dance hoping
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Speaker 2: that the clouds are going to open up so the
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Speaker 2: shafts of light will happen. I'll get the most gorgeous
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Speaker 2: sunset in the world.
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Speaker 1: See. And I love that kind of a shot, especially
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Speaker 1: when you're behind the lens of a camera, because I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's like I'm in this moment of now do something
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Speaker 1: with it, because it ain't gonna happen again, right.
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Speaker 2: And I want to capture it in the most you know,
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Speaker 2: amazing way possible, which is the art and craft of
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Speaker 2: let's say cinematography. But on top of that, I want
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Speaker 2: to imbue the emotion that I feel at the moment
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Speaker 2: into the shot. And there's magic in that. It isn't
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Speaker 2: just set f stops, check the focus, make sure it's
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Speaker 2: frained right. It's like a checklista and then when the
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Speaker 2: time comes to capture the moment, you press the button.
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Speaker 2: That's kind of cold and reductionist. I mean, I think
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Speaker 2: you want to feel it into your core, because what
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Speaker 2: is the feeling. It's like some kind of energy that
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Speaker 2: you know, came into my body from somewhere outside of
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Speaker 2: my body. And then that means I can maybe share
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Speaker 2: that energy with you.
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Speaker 1: As the artist. Though don't you have to accept that
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Speaker 1: energy coming through because I mean so many times people
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Speaker 1: are getting bumped into by the wind basically and they're
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Speaker 1: totally ignoring it. But as an artist, you you're like
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Speaker 1: a sponge. You pull it all in, or do you?
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Speaker 2: I think being open minded makes us an artist by
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Speaker 2: pulling energy from either people in places. But I think
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Speaker 2: all of us have that ability as well and talent
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Speaker 2: that skill. So what does that mean? It means being present,
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Speaker 2: being open observation with wonder and awe, Like anything you
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Speaker 2: look at could blow you away if you have the
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Speaker 2: right point of view or the right worldview. You know,
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Speaker 2: the crack and the sidewalk can be gorgeous. You know,
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Speaker 2: to paint peeling on the wall, you know, it could
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Speaker 2: be a work of art. It's like it all depends
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Speaker 2: on what you bring to it and how open minded
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Speaker 2: you are. And then beauty will we'll do a little
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Speaker 2: dance for you. Now, she's not going to strip and
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Speaker 2: take her clothes off. That's not happening, okay, right. I
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Speaker 2: mean you need a little bit of seduction, a little
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Speaker 2: bit of presence, like you would and any relationship you
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Speaker 2: need to honor that person. You need to say I
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Speaker 2: think you're beautiful. I'd like to dig a little deeper.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's which is one of the very reasons why
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Speaker 1: I'll never kill a spider. And the people that come
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Speaker 1: into this force, I'll say, do not touch the spiders
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Speaker 1: because there's so because we have Chinese writing spiders here.
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Speaker 1: It's like having my own Charlotte's Web every single dayg day.
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Speaker 1: And I love that when nature is willing to speak
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Speaker 1: out to you and you get to be so close
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Speaker 1: to it with that camera.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you dig deeper into like observing your behavior,
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Speaker 2: observing the structure, and you look at the spider. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's the work of art. It's you know, it's it's
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Speaker 2: got symmetry. You know. That spider silk is like I
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Speaker 2: think ten or a thousand times stronger than steel, you know,
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Speaker 2: and it can and it can fill a web that
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Speaker 2: is like an architectural genius of you know, of what
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Speaker 2: you know of engineer, right, and so wow, how could
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Speaker 2: you ever kill a spider knowing all of that? I mean,
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Speaker 2: That's what I mean. It's like, once you can really
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Speaker 2: understand and be present and at one with what you're
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Speaker 2: looking at, you never want to kill it.
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Speaker 1: So now do you see yourself as being a modern
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Speaker 1: day Ansel Adams.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say either in Ansel Adams or Edward Weston,
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Speaker 2: because he was also one of my favorite fine arts photographers.
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Speaker 2: And I do believe that, like what they were doing
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Speaker 2: was sort of pioneering what we're having this conversation about,
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Speaker 2: because by exploring not only the beauty of nature, but
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Speaker 2: like how a nude can look just like death valley,
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Speaker 2: sand dunes, you know, and how everything is one and connected,
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Speaker 2: these rhythms and patterns that touch our soul. You know
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Speaker 2: that that took them on this journey of discovery to
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Speaker 2: photograph these objects in the most gorgeous, perfect light that
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Speaker 2: sells the shape and the pattern and emotion. All of
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Speaker 2: that is what it has certainly inspired me. I think that.
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Speaker 2: I think what what happened is, you know, in college,
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Speaker 2: I got into fine art photography, but I didn't like
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Speaker 2: this whole idea of the gallery scene and the stobby
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Speaker 2: thing and all of that, and I really took that
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Speaker 2: art and figured out how to do it with a
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Speaker 2: movie camera, which nobody had done before. I mean, nobody
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Speaker 2: had ever done time lapse on thirty five millimeter film before.
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Speaker 2: I had to figure out how to get a battery
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Speaker 2: powered animation motor to stick it on these old cameras
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Speaker 2: because you couldn't afford a new one and make you know,
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Speaker 2: flowers open and clothes and clouds, you know, the sunset
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Speaker 2: time lap shots that are just gorgeous. All of that
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Speaker 2: never existed because I took the same attitude of a
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Speaker 2: fine art photographer and applied it to movies. When movies
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Speaker 2: was at that time and only in the domain of
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Speaker 2: you know, commercials and star studied celebrity Hollywood films. Those
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Speaker 2: were the only two forms where people would use a
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Speaker 2: thirty five millimeter camera movie camera to capture anything. Can
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Speaker 2: you about it?
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine having one of those even today? Because
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Speaker 1: I mean, these last two big movies that have been
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Speaker 1: in theater. Spielberg came out and said that it was
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Speaker 1: because the YouTube generation of producers are coming out and
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Speaker 1: this is the future. I would love to see a
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Speaker 1: thirty five millimeter camera in their hands. I want to
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Speaker 1: know what they can do with that and not necessarily digital.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's good that they're coming full circle. Art.
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Speaker 2: I mean, film is certainly art. Digital is amazing. I
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Speaker 2: use it all the time. But there's something a little
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Speaker 2: bit more obviously pixely about it. I mean with my
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Speaker 2: movie camera, I used to rub my nose and get
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Speaker 2: a little bit of grease on my finger and I
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Speaker 2: would use that to lubricate the gate. You know, you know,
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Speaker 2: it's like the thinnest abound of lubricant right just coming off,
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Speaker 2: just and hear your nose. But there was a man look,
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Speaker 2: I had an organic relationship with the camera. And now
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Speaker 2: it's like it's a menu that I need to wear
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Speaker 2: reading glasses to read and I have to scroll through
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Speaker 2: to change anything or to do anything, which is so
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Speaker 2: opposite of being physical and manual.
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Speaker 1: Are you a writer? And the reason why I bring
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Speaker 1: that up is because the way that you are, you know,
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Speaker 1: bringing this story together. I feel your soul speaking and
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Speaker 1: and and that's how I got into galleries when you
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Speaker 1: spoke of that was because I was just trying to
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Speaker 1: get people to the artwork. So I would use my
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Speaker 1: writing to get people to that that canvas. And the
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Speaker 1: way you speak, it's like, my god, this guy's an
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Speaker 1: authentic writer. And then I'm going to wait to say no,
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Speaker 1: he's doing the art in movie forms. So but I
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Speaker 1: hear an author inside of you.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. I think that whether I use visuals or words.
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Speaker 2: I think we're all born with a passion and a
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Speaker 2: story we want to share, you know, And whether it
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Speaker 2: come out of me with words or it comes out visually,
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Speaker 2: I think I'm it's been my spiritual path. I think
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Speaker 2: to talk about the wisdom of nature, the beauty of nature,
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Speaker 2: trying to unveil the mysteries of it. Don't have the answer,
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Speaker 2: but just by asking a question, we want to be
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Speaker 2: on that path. And by being on that path, where
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Speaker 2: like Einstein who said, you know, if you don't experience wondering,
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Speaker 2: all your eyes are dead. I mean your eyes are closed,
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Speaker 2: you might as well be dead. Yes, there's something to
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Speaker 2: be said about approaching your life with wonder and awe
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Speaker 2: and trying to you know, share that with others as well.
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Speaker 1: What do you do in situations like the musicians do.
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Speaker 1: They'll go in there and remix songs, remaster it here
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Speaker 1: and change this. Do you ever find yourself in a
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Speaker 1: position of a moving art and when you have the
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Speaker 1: finished product, where you go there's one more that I
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Speaker 1: got to add, one more thing. I got to add
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Speaker 1: one more.
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Speaker 2: Thing as a work of art that's never done. You're right,
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Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, it's never done every time, and there's
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Speaker 2: a beauty in that. I do believe. Like I've got
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Speaker 2: an archive of almost two thousand hours of high resolution imagery.
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Speaker 2: Thank god, I've had people in my life who know
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Speaker 2: how to archive and how to create metadata so that
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Speaker 2: it's searchable and all of that. But I mean for
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Speaker 2: me to be able to go back in time and
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Speaker 2: grab a shot that's thirty or forty years old and
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Speaker 2: have it be pristine because it was shot on thirty
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Speaker 2: five millimeter move which means it's like four K in resolution,
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Speaker 2: and I can do things with it now that I
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Speaker 2: never could have done thirty forty years ago, like whether
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Speaker 2: it's compositing or whether it's even manipulation with CGI. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's amazing. I've always looked at my archive as a
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Speaker 2: visual vocabulary like a writer would. I've got these words,
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Speaker 2: I got these phrases right, and I don't necessarily know
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Speaker 2: where they fit in the story, but when they need
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Speaker 2: to express that feeling or emotion, I've got it. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you can't go out and say a plant or I'm
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Speaker 2: going to shoot like a rainbow, or I'm going to
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Speaker 2: shoot lightning, you know, in nature for example. But look,
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Speaker 2: if a UFO landed next to me, I wouldn't ask
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Speaker 2: the question about whether or not I had planned to
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Speaker 2: shoot it. I would shoot it. You know, when when
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Speaker 2: when the universe unfolds magic in front of you, you
22:37
Speaker 2: got to do it. I mean, you've got to capture it.
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Speaker 2: And if you're out there with an open mind, which
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Speaker 2: I've been able to do most of my life, not
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Speaker 2: being part of let's say, a production, which I've been
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Speaker 2: on a lot in my life, directed commercials for fifteen years,
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Speaker 2: where if it's not on the storyboard, you don't shoot it, okay.
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Speaker 2: So going out there with it again, center under on
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Speaker 2: the voyage of discovery, without a preconceived idea, open for
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Speaker 2: likening to strike, that's when you're able to get fabulous shots.
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Speaker 1: Do you study Native American spirituality or tote of animals
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Speaker 1: or anything like that, because I mean, if I see
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Speaker 1: a certain tree, I'm already looking up the research on
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Speaker 1: it to find out what that tree was meant to
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Speaker 1: be on this path that I walk on.
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Speaker 2: You maybe a little more academic than me. I just
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Speaker 2: love the tree household. Don't like getting I don't like
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Speaker 2: getting hung up with having to name everything you know,
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Speaker 2: because like people, you know, people that are want intelluxual.
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Speaker 2: They'll go, oh, you know, that's a certain pine tree,
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Speaker 2: and then that's a you know, a certain type of
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Speaker 2: mushroom with a complicated Latin name. As if they know it,
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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean they know it. They don't know squat
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Speaker 2: about what it is, you know. But sometimes you get
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Speaker 2: this feeling that because I know the name, which is
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Speaker 2: just uttering a noise, that you know that organism inside
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Speaker 2: and out.
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Speaker 1: You know, I can totally relate with that because I
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Speaker 1: have an apple tree in this forest that I've had
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Speaker 1: god since it was a seed, and now that it's
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Speaker 1: a I always call it my grumpy old man because
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Speaker 1: it doesn't have the leaves or anything like that. But
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to take that thing down. Ah, It's
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Speaker 1: still a part of this forest as that old tree exactly.
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Speaker 2: And that's great because what you've opened your heart to
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Speaker 2: where you feel reverence, which is important.
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Speaker 1: But see, isn't that what you're teaching inside all of
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Speaker 1: your your moving art. You are teaching us that art
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Speaker 1: so that we too can be moved to be able
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Speaker 1: to take those steps.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, right, because it's I'm telling you how to
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Speaker 2: live your life or what to do. But once you
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Speaker 2: have that feeling, like you're talking about this relationship with
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Speaker 2: this old apple tree, you have respect and reverence and
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Speaker 2: a connection with it that you honor it. You honor the
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Speaker 2: fact that it's in a certain cycle of life where
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Speaker 2: it's aging, which is beautiful, and we all need to
24:56
Speaker 2: learn how to do that too. I mean, look at
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Speaker 2: how beauty has been hijacked, manipulate young people, women especially
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Speaker 2: to be insecure right about how they look, and the
25:06
Speaker 2: suicide rate is higher than ever, which is ridiculous. That's
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Speaker 2: not what beauty is. You know. Beauty, as we've been discussing,
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Speaker 2: is a force of energy between you and somebody else
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Speaker 2: and something else. It's also going to be my next movie,
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Speaker 2: but it's not the glamour celebrity thing that the culture
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Speaker 2: imposes on people. Wow.
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Speaker 1: Do you ever find yourself in a situation where your
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Speaker 1: eye catches something inside that lands and you go, oh
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Speaker 1: my god, it's one of the there's nothing I can
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Speaker 1: do to create what's going on, but thank god I
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Speaker 1: was here to capture it. But and then you kind
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Speaker 1: of put the camera down. You're going, there's nothing I
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Speaker 1: can do as a human being to make this happen,
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Speaker 1: but it's happening.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and I'm grateful that I'm there with the
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Speaker 2: camera because what it does is it makes you present.
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Speaker 2: You notice something magical, to drop of water, to be
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Speaker 2: landing on pollen, you know, whatever it might be. And
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Speaker 2: then the next step is to be grateful that you
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Speaker 2: were present enough to experience it and to feel it.
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Speaker 2: And then again, folks like us, maybe we want to
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Speaker 2: share that, whether it's with film, writing, podcasts, whatever it
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Speaker 2: might be. We want to be able to share that energy.
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Speaker 2: Just like in the forest, every tree is sharing the
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Speaker 2: fact that it's alive and flourishing with its neighbors, sharing
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Speaker 2: information and nutrients with each other. We all work better
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Speaker 2: as community than we do as individuals.
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Speaker 1: See, and that's every bit the reason why I want
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Speaker 1: to get beneath this soil to study the fun guy,
26:38
Speaker 1: because that's how trees communicate is through that fun guy.
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Speaker 1: And I've just got to figure out a way to
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Speaker 1: where I don't want to disturb it. I just want
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Speaker 1: to witness it. I want to just be there in
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Speaker 1: that moment where I can see that talk actually taking place.
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Speaker 2: Well, rather than digging up your soil, watch fantastic fun
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Speaker 2: Guy you've seen that. Yeah, right, Yeah, have you seen
26:58
Speaker 2: the film? I mean turned a lot of people on
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Speaker 2: over forty million people saw on Netflix alone, But definitely
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Speaker 2: I think catalyzed the whole psychedelic movement. But to get
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Speaker 2: those shots underground, I use scanning electron microscopy as a model,
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Speaker 2: and then we use animation to like fly through that
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Speaker 2: network to be in that network, because it's impossible to
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Speaker 2: shoot something that's microscopic in total darkness. So but I
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Speaker 2: gave people that feeling and based on science, I think
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Speaker 2: it's pretty accurate of what the macilial network is like.
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Speaker 2: And wow, it's like an underground internet. Yes, it's a
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Speaker 2: whole shared economy not based on greed, where life flourishes,
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Speaker 2: and it's the model for our survival.
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Speaker 1: Well, what's more mysterious to you when you go to Antarctica?
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Speaker 1: Is it the sound of the wind or actually what
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Speaker 1: you're going to see through your eyes?
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Speaker 2: I think what I'm gonna see through my eyes by far.
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Speaker 2: You know that eighty percent of the data we get
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Speaker 2: comes into our eyes, which is why I'm always asking
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Speaker 2: the questions like why is in there like a healing
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Speaker 2: modality for vision when we have it for every other
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Speaker 2: sensory receptor right, massage for touch, music for hearing, romantherapy
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Speaker 2: for smell, healthy food for taste. So when I go
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Speaker 2: into Antarctica, I was just blown away by the light,
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Speaker 2: you know, because you got this low angle where the
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Speaker 2: sun sometimes never goes down, and the way it hits off,
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Speaker 2: you know, the glaciers. To be in this world of
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Speaker 2: white and aqua to requoids my favorite color, it's heaven
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Speaker 2: on Earth, and to also appreciate it. Here is a
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Speaker 2: place that's been untouched by man, and the biodiversity is
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Speaker 2: flourishing so beautifully and any like, the penguins aren't scared
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Speaker 2: of you because of the fact that, you know, there
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Speaker 2: aren't very many of us that show up and thank god,
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Speaker 2: we only land on certain spots so we don't, you know,
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Speaker 2: mess up the ecosystem. But they see no threat and
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Speaker 2: they think we're cool and they're cool, and you can
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Speaker 2: actually feel connected to these penguins. I mean they came
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Speaker 2: up to like eight or nine feet from us, And
29:21
Speaker 2: what an incredible creature on this planet Earth to be
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Speaker 2: in that frigid water, to be able to swim like,
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Speaker 2: you know, hundreds, if not thousands of miles and then
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Speaker 2: waddle on the earth everything. They're so cute, you know,
29:38
Speaker 2: But like, can can you do what they do, which
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Speaker 2: is to swim away a thousand miles and come back
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Speaker 2: to the exact same spot that you left.
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Speaker 1: From now without my gps?
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Speaker 2: Huh?
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Speaker 1: Can't do it? Can't do it?
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Speaker 2: Imagine being able to do that? Wow?
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Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about you?
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Speaker 1: Because I know there's somebody inside their offices, inside their car.
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Speaker 1: They want to explore things like this, They want to
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Speaker 1: make it happen.
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Speaker 2: Moving art dot Com would be the perfect place I
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Speaker 2: think to go because a lot of our content is
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Speaker 2: like posted on there. A fantastic fun guy Gratitude revealed
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Speaker 2: other filmmakers I saw moving art dot Com would be
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Speaker 2: the best place to find it. I love it.
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Speaker 1: You got to come back to this show anytime in
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Speaker 1: the future. And if you ever have a show here
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Speaker 1: in Charlotte, we got to get together for a face
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Speaker 1: to face all right.
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Speaker 2: I love that man? Excellent?
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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, same to you.