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Pacers GM & Iowa native Chad Buchanan, Hawkeye talk with John Bohnenkamp & Trent's Picks presented by Circa Sports · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  Hour number two, welcome back Miller and Condon.
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  Iowa Sports Radio Network, John Bowencamp coming up toward the
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  bottom of the hour, Variety of topics with John, including the
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  Hawkeyes, Trent's plays of the day, circus sports sponsor,
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  those that comes up with about 10 minutes before too.
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  But let's get to our next guest. Don't want to keep them waiting.
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  Game one tonight. Chad Buchanan is well, he's a
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  Valley grad, a Simpson grad. He's one of us here from central
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  Iowa now the general manager, the Indiana Pacers, and he joins
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  us. Chad Trent Condon, Ken Miller,
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  thanks for giving us and your hometown a few minutes here on
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  the cusp of game one. How are you, Chad Buchanan?
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  I'm doing great guys. I appreciate you having me on
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  today. No, I appreciate it as well.
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  I think I spoke with you almost 30 years ago when you were at
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  Simpson, believe it or not, but that for another day.
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  So I guess where I want to start with you is, you know, we go
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  back to the the Lakers and The Mavericks straight and how that
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  caught everybody off guard and everything that went on to it.
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  But it kind of gave us sports talkers and fans of sports like
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  an opportunity maybe to look behind the curtain.
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  I want to talk about the trade that you made when you sent
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  obviously you you acquire Halliburton and send the I think
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  he led the league and reap Sabonis led the league in
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  rebounding this year. But a pretty significant trade
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  once you're getting close to actually finalizing this thing,
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  kind of take us behind the scenes, if you will.
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  Yeah, so Tyrese was somebody that I had, you know, first team
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  play at Iowa State. Ironically, I had my nephew was
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  a manager on the team at Iowa State and he had told me is when
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  Tyrese is a freshman, like, hey, we have this freshman from
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  Wisconsin. He's kind of this quirky.
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  He has a kind of a quirky game and he's skinny and he's got
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  this funky looking shot, but he's pretty good.
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  That's the first time I, you know, knew anything about Tyrese
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  and watched him, you know, during time.
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  But I was state and really became a fan of, you know, the
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  way he played and his kind of his IQ and understanding of how
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  to, to make, make his team go and make other players better.
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  And then we didn't have the opportunity to draft and we
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  ironically did not have a pick in that year's draft.
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  And so, you know, gets selected by the Kings and we continue to
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  track him. And, you know, our team was at a
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  point where we had we were playing two centers.
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  We had Demonis, Sabonis and Miles Turner.
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  And it just wasn't clicking and meshing very well in the courts.
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  We made the decision, you know, can we use, you know, Demontis
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  to go get a player like Tyrese? And, you know, the Kings were in
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  position where they had a couple of different point guards and
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  they didn't have a center. So our kind of our needs and
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  their needs matched up. And, you know, we made the trade
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  and we believe that when we made the trade that Tyrese used to be
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  a guy that we could build our franchise around, that he had
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  the qualities as far as, you know, what he did on the court,
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  but also his personality, his character, you know, his
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  leadership ability, that this is a guy that we could build our
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  franchise around for the next 10 to 12 years.
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  And, you know, we're hopeful that, you know, our coach for
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  Carlisle, Hall of Fame coach, championship coach, you know,
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  believe that he could build a system around his talents.
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  And he's done exactly that. And, you know, our team has
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  really taken off ever since that trade and he's really changed so
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  much about our organization. And you know where we're at
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  today? We're we're definitely not here
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  without that guy. So there's been a lot of talk
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  leading into tonight's game one about these two teams coming
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  from small markets, Indiana, Oklahoma City, doing it without
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  the tax threshold that is there. Your job, as you've been on the
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  job now for eight years with the Pacers and now these tax aprons
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  that we have, How much goes into the roster construction, going
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  out and trading for a Pascal PC Ackerman and scouting and
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  figuring out you want Tyrese Halliburton in and then the next
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  layer. But the financial part, the tax
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  part of it, how different is that job that even 8 years ago
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  when you took over? It's much different today.
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  I mean, there's more restrictions, there's more
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  rules. Obviously the money is, you
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  know, grown in our league over the last eight years.
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  The, you know, where the cap is at now and the, you know, you
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  got the aprons you mentioned now that you got to manage it.
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  Everything you, every decision you make, obviously you do for
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  the short term and helping your team for the most part, but you
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  always have to have where does this put us in three, 4-5 years
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  every, every move to make every contract we acquire or sign.
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  And you've got to manage that. You know, some teams have more,
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  you know, more flexibility to take on, you know, different
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  contracts and go to different levels of the cap.
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  And, you know, we've always been very conscious of being, you
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  know, within, you know, reason with our budget and try not to
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  go into luxury tax. But, you know, I think, you
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  know, the Thunder, another great example of that.
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  And I think we've tried to both build our teams in similar ways.
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  And, you know, the financial part of the NBA is a reality.
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  And it, you know, the new the new rules restrict, restrict you
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  on some of the things you're able to do now.
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  And I think I think there are the rules in place are very good
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  for our league. It's built some parity.
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  I mean, this will be the 7th season in a row we've had a
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  different champion, which I think is great for our league.
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  And it's just great for the sport.
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  And you know, but it is part of the reality of being, you know,
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  being in the front office is you got to manage, you know, from
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  year to year where your budgets at and what that means for your
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  roster. Want to ask you what Pascal
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  Siakam means to your roster, keeping in mind he was so good
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  when the Raptors were able to beat Golden State and win their
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  championship. Go.
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  I got all the headlines. I thought Siakam was every bit
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  of a big a piece in that championship run back.
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  I think it was 19, right? 2019.
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  What does Pascal Siakam mean to you guys?
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  You know, Pascal's a guy we've been trying to trade for, for
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  for a couple years before we actually acquired him.
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  You know, our roster was lacking a kind of a versatile power
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  forward. And we had targeted a couple
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  guys over the years and he was always at the top of our list.
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  And, you know, the circumstances finally, you know, came about
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  where Toronto was willing to move him.
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  And we are aggressive and acquiring him.
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  And since we've acquired him, I think our intentions were to
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  bring in a guy who's won a championship, who's got
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  experience, you know, doing that, who fits the way that we
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  play. And most importantly, I mean, he
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  was a great fit, you know, with Tyrese when we, you know,
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  targeted him and it turned out to be exactly that.
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  He's a guy that can do so many different things on the court.
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  He's not really A1 dimensional player.
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  You know, he can really run the floor and finish shots for you.
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  He can play isolation, he can move the ball.
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  He's shot threes well, well for us this year.
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  And he's got most importantly a thing I think that he brings,
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  like I mentioned, his experiences, leadership.
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  He's he's always got the right thing to say at the right
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  moment. And there's times where as a
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  leader you don't say anything. And there's times a leader where
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  you got to be tough on your team mates and there's a time where
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  you got to be really positive when everybody else is down.
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  And he's got a great feel for that.
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  It's a human skill, a touch that he has it.
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  It's hard to quantify, but when you walk into our locker room
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  after a game, win or lose, and he's speaking, this message is
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  always spot on. It just makes sense to our to
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  our guys and that's been just a, a super valuable trait that you
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  don't see when you watch the game being played.
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  Another guy, Chad on your roster, Aaron Nesmith.
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  Don't remember him at Vanderbilt hardly at all.
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  He plays for Boston for two years.
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  What did you see out of him? He's turned into obviously one
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  of the top defenders in the league.
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  What do you see with the guy like that and what he's built
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  himself into now as he sits in his mid 20s?
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  Sure. And Vanderbilt, Aaron was a guy
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  who played, he was a really a scorer.
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  He was a guy that they ran off a lot of screens to try to get him
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  shots from the perimeter. And he was he was really kind of
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  a catch and shoot scoring wing in the college.
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  And, you know, he gets to Boston, he's playing on a great
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  team, A championship level team behind some really good wings.
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  And and we always felt like, you know, our job is as a front
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  office is identify guys that maybe you're not getting an
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  opportunity elsewhere that fit your system, that could maybe
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  blossom in a new setting. And that's Aaron was always one
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  of the guys that we felt fed that mold.
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  And when we required him, you know, we bought into, you know,
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  selling him on the importance of what he could become for us.
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  You know, Coach Carlisle, give him a lot of credit.
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  You know, the day we acquired him, we flew him to Las Vegas
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  for summer league and on that plane we just talked about, you
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  know, what he could be for us and envisioned a role for him.
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  And you know, I think Aaron really has embraced being a
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  rugged physical, you know, just coming at you all the time,
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  defender and and a capable scorer.
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  We've seen him get hot shooting threes.
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  We've seen him attack the rim and transition and he's just a
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  guy who brings it every single second he's on the floor.
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  I mean, there is never a moment where Aaron Nesmith is not
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  giving you everything he's got. And that type of mentality and
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  that type of unselfishness is really a huge piece to our
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  success. And never, never wants any
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  credit for anything. Doesn't care if he gets two
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  shots or 20 shots in the game. Is always setting the tone for
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  us defensively and he sets the tone for us physically too.
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  I mean, we've got a lot of skilled players in our starting
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  lineup and Aaron and Andrew Nembar give us some physicality,
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  which is much needed, especially when you get in the playoffs
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  like this. Yeah, game changes, no doubt.
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  Well, here comes Oklahoma City and SGA and Williams and
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  Holmgren are you guys are an underdog in the series.
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  Not the first time you've been an underdog these playoffs by
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  any means. When you look at Oklahoma City
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  and what they do, well, obviously the results speak for
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  themselves. How do you try and slow this
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  team down? What will Coach Carlisle have up
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  his sleeve for tonight? Well, they've been the best team
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  from start to finish. So if you want to win a
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  championship, you should want to have to play and have to go
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  through the best team. So that's that's the the
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  challenge in front of us right now.
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  I think their team is well constructed.
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  They've got a great coach. They've got guys that can do a
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  little bit of everything. But I think the strength of
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  their team is their defensive mentality.
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  I mean, they've got defenders all over the floor.
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  They've got great chemistry. They're very connected and I
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  think to have a chance to beat A-Team like this, you've really
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  got to, you know, get them moving as a defense and you got
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  to make shots. I mean, it sounds very simple,
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  but you're not going to be able to beat these guys playing
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  one-on-one basketball. You've got to move the ball.
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  You got to try and play fast, which is kind of how we play.
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  And you got to be able to make open shots because they're going
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  to help each other defensively, which can kind of create some
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  driving kick and, you know, extra pass opportunities.
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  You've got to be ready to catch the shoot and make shots, which
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  you know, our team has done that pretty well in the playoffs.
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  This is going to be different stage and a different level of
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  defense that we're seeing. If I say they got the best
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  player MVP in the league and Shay and they've just got a lot
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  of lot of chemistry and connectedness and our teams are
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  very similar. I think in the fact that they
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  really everybody's embraced their role and everybody is, you
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  know, pulling for each other and playing for each other, which
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  makes for, you know, some unselfish play.
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  And I think it's I think it'll be great basketball to watch.
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  If you love basketball and you know you're putting past the big
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  markets and the big superstar names, you just want to watch
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  basketball because you love the game.
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  I think both of our teams play basketball the right way and a
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  lot of guys who play for each other, which is enjoyable to
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  watch. Chad, before we let you go a
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  little look back and as you sit here now on the cusp of game one
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  of the NBA Finals, a long way from West Des Moines Valley High
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  School and of course Simpson College, the D3 ranks.
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  I mean, you look at NBAGMSA lot of them with Ivy League
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  educations and the like, What the IT took for you to come from
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  the D3 level? Want to do something in
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  basketball now being AGM in the NBA, the path that you took and
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  and that it could happen. Yeah, for anybody, even people
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  here from the state of Iowa. Yeah, I think anybody don't be
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  afraid to chase your dream. You know, I grew up, you know,
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  West Des Moines, like you mentioned, I had a great family
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  that supported my love for the game.
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  And I was around a lot of great coaches, a lot of great mentors
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  during my time growing up in West Des Moines and then on The
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  Simpson and later, you know, Iowa.
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  And having good people around you help set the course for what
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  you can, you know, dream and achieve.
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  And I never set out to become an NBAGMI, just happened to
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  approach every opportunity that was in front of me and tried to
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  do the best I could at it and work the best as hard as I could
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  at it and just be a good person to others.
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  And I think that's open doors for me and allowed me to have
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  this opportunity to, you know, get to where I'm at.
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  But it's, you know, there's lots of people out there that have
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  similar qualities that, you know, maybe, maybe give up on
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  their dream. And I think you got to be able
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  to go through some hard times and persevere and not give up on
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  what, you know, life could eventually to bring to you.
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  And I've got a supportive family at home that really sticks by me
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  and it allows me to do what I do.
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  And I miss out on a lot of stuff at home and they're always there
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  and supportive for me. So it takes a lot of people to
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  have individual success. And I've been fortunate enough
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  to have great family and teachers and coaches of my whole
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  life here. Not lost on anybody in Central
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  Highway. We've got a a member of The
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  Simpsons Storm that's putting together the Indiana Pacers, a
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  Hawkeye that's doing what she does in Indianapolis, a Cyclone
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  that's leading your team. We are well represented, no
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  doubt about that. Hey, last thing for you, kind of
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  away from the game, etcetera. In some respects, just because
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  you're in the league and I'm guessing that you guys are kind
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  of like us on your off nights, you're watching basketball
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  inside the NBA after so many years, I think it was 36, did
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  their last broadcast of your of your of your series, actually
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  Knicks and the Pacers. But that crew meant so much to
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  the game and I think introduced some new fans.
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  How do you remember? How will you remember inside the
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  NBA and that broadcast and that group of guys that would come
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  onto our television sets? I mean, a phenomenal group of
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  guys that really, you know, brought laughter to the game,
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  brought analysis to the game and brought just a a fun loving, you
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  know, perspective on, you know, sports and you know, those guys
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  chemistry and, you know, love for the M.
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  They really helped, you know, educate people on, you know,
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  what was going on the court, but also about, Hey, this is, you
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  know, this is pro sports and it's serious.
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  But there's there's a fun, fun to it and there's an enjoyment
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  to the game. And, you know, you'll forever
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  remember, you know, the NBA in my lifetime growing up, I'll
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  always remember that's just part of the NBA was inside the NBA
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  and Ernie and those guys and, you know, listen to them and,
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  you know, assess and analyze games and talk about players and
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  and strategy. But, you know, I think the thing
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  that all always remember about that group is how they made it
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  fun and, you know, our jobs and, you know, can be serious
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  business. Like I mentioned by the core of
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  this, it's a game that we all love and we all have fun doing
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  it, whether you're playing it or coaching it or talking about it.
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  And that that crew epitomized, you know, all of that.
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  Yeah, that is for sure. Chad, listen, thank you for
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  doing this. Taking time out again on the
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  precipice of game #1 giving your hometown here a few minutes and
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  the state of Iowa a few minutes to talk to one of us, Chad
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  Buchanan. Best of luck, Chad.
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  Thanks for doing this again. I really appreciate it guys.
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  Yep, good to talk to you, Chad Buchanan, the general manager of
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  the Indiana Pacers. As we catch up, get more more
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  than generous with this time, I thought.
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  I have a lot of Simpson people, a lot of Valley people that are
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  checking in with me. I'm very happy to hear Chad's
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  voice. A lot of memories, some stories
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  that are being passed my way, some probably not on the air.
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  But yeah, a lot of people with a lot of great things to say.
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  Very easy guy to root. For no he.
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  Is and is. You know and.
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  He's an Iowan. So the first time broadcasting
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  game of Valley, walking into the gym there cold iron field house,
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  walking in there you see this picture.
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  Back then he was a scout and then you see even from that
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  level just to become an MBA scout and growing.
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  Up in a college market, right? You would think that he would go
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  that direction. Absolutely, but got a job now.
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  I wonder because his first MBA job was as a scout and a
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  scouting director with Portland. I wonder if that had something
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  maybe to do with Bourne. Mike Bourne.
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  Oh. Because he's been with the
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  Blazers for how long? I mean, decades, right?
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  I wonder if that's where the connection possibly came from to
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  lead to that path. But it can happen.
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  And we have these stories all across the state of people like
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  this, people that played in the Iowa conference, coached my
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  buddy Adam Dahl with the Simpson Storm.
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  And now he's leading not just a GMGM for one of the more well
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  constructed teams you mentioned Siakam.
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  Oh, what a player. And that was a flash of
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  brilliance, right? And he's kind of up against it
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  in some respects too, right? I mean, he's trying to lure free
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  agents to Indianapolis, IN, right, right.
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  Not, not not to Miami, FL or Los Angeles, CA, or dot dot dot,
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  right? Not these some of these cities
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  that have all that glitz behind. Them or a state like Texas that
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  doesn't have state. Taxes State taxes for Houston,
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  Dallas, San Antonio. Now come spend your winners in
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  Indianapolis. What do you say?
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  Right, please put the other hell of a roster.
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  I hope it's a good series, Trent.
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  I really do. I as I said, I would take the
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  points tonight. I think it's going you're you're
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  the opposite. That's what makes sports betting
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  go wrong. Go round right and the operator
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  just sits in the middle and just scoops those $0.10 or whatever.
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  I think it's going to be a good series.
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  I hope it is. I hope I'm right.
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  I'd love to see him get a ring, obviously, but I wonder if it's
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  going to happen this year. We shall see.
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  We'll take your time out. Thank you to Chad Buchanan who
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  set that up for you, by the way. That was my buddy Graham.
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  There's a family connection, somebody that works for back
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  when he was a principal in West Des Moines.
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  So all kinds of connections all over the place.
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  Thank you, Graham. Yes.
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  And big shout out tip of the ball cap there making that
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  happen and. The bad news for Chad Buchanan?
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  We have your number. We have your number.
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  Might be another one down the line.
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  Yeah, you know what? I bet you would do it, too.
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  He's got that Iowa kind of background to him and seemingly
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  appreciates that. We'll take a time out.
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  We'll come back. John Bowen Camp will join us.
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  Miller and Condon, you're listening to the Iowa Sports
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  Radio Network. I'm Miller and Condon.
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  Welcome back, Iowa Sports Radio Network.
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  Trenton. Ken with you until the top of
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  the hour. At that time, we'll turn things
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  over. The drive Heather and Lucas take
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  you until 5:00 overtime. Iowa from 5 to 6.
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  John Bowencamp, Iowa College hoops.com, Associated Press,
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  etcetera. We will get into the team with
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  the third best record in the National League at some point,
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  I'm assuming, but we'll start talking Hawks with John.
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  Hello, John Bowencamp, how are you?
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  I'm good. How are you?
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  They'll be. Fine, I knew it was coming.
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  I'd have been disappointed if after that the lead in.
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  That Game 7 Wrigley is going to be a Barber.
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  What's going to be fascinating home field.
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  There's a collapse coming. There.
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  Oh no, anyway, shouting. Up where I want to start with
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  you, John, is kind of not where I'd assumed that we would go
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  here today, but it just dawned on me watching.
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  I saw some highlights from WNBA on the Twitter and maybe it's
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  just because I click on Hawkeye and Cyclone athletes.
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  Lucy Olsen joined up or showed up rather in her Mystic in her
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  Mystic gear, making a shot in one of the games.
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  Not sure where they play. But that aside, I want to ask
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  you about the the shoes that she was the the position that she
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  stepped into, right. Obviously a generational we'll
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  never see one like her again in Caitlin.
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  And here comes Lucy Olsen and I think some of the fans, at least
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  at the beginning, thought, you know, that this is going to be
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  quote, her replacement, which is never going to happen.
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  You saw all the home games covered most of them.
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  I thought from where I sit that she handled the pressure that
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  came along with that. Not that Hawkeye fans overly
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  burdened with it. I didn't think, but to to to be
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  asked to, you know, be the next. I thought she did an admirable
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  job in her one and only year at the University of How about you?
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  No, I did too. I mean, I, I mean, she had that
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  little slump there during which coincided with the losing streak
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  there in January, But other than that, she played well.
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  I mean, she was, she was, she was she, she just fit the role
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  very well. And I thought down the stretch,
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  especially when she kind of broke out at some, she was
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  really comfortable in, in, in the position she played the role
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  she had with his team. And I, you know, I, I honestly
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  think they probably wish they could have had another year of
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  her. I mean, that's, I mean, I, I
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  thought. She handled everything very
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  well. Just great personality, but also
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  great players. She made shots, you know, got
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  got the ball to the right people.
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  And I thought she just for what she, the position she was
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  playing, which, you know, encompasses all of like what she
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  said, I thought she did really well.
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  Let's jump over to the men's side and a Friday news dump.
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  Perhaps Pete McCullum is joining the basketball team with his
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  son. In the grand scheme of things,
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  we see sons join all the time and go on to play their four
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  years with their dad. However, Hawkeye fan base is a
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  little bit different after being Bird by Todd Licklider.
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  The McCaffrey years that both those players were good enough.
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  It just there's a lot of scar tissue there, John and in year
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  #1 trying to resurrect a very disappointed fan base over the
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  last 2025, thirty years now of men's basketball.
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  Do you think this was the right choice for McCollum to bring his
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  son along? I don't I don't see a problem
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  with it. I really don't because I mean
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  you, I don't know how much he will play to begin with, but if
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  you look at his numbers last year in high school, they were
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  really good numbers. This was a first team all state
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  kid on a really good high school basketball team.
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  And it's not like this kid can't play.
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  It's also not like he's going to play 30 minutes a game there
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  his. 1st. And it's like it's, it's you're,
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  you're, you're fitting him into the roster.
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  You, you, you're going to use him as you see fit.
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  He's not going to be a starter. He's not going to, but he's a
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  good player. And I mean, he, they needed to
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  fill a couple roster spots. Why not fill him with a pretty
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  good player who, oh, by the way, happened to yourself?
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  I didn't have a problem with it. I, I, I think the kid will fit
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  into what they want him to do. I don't think it's going to be a
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  big role for him, but I think it will be good for him to be there
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  because, like I said, I think he's a pretty good basketball
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  player. Where I want to go with you is
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  sticking with the with the men's program practices started, which
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  is which is great. I don't think you've been given
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  access as of yet. The media hasn't been allowed
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  in. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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  I didn't think you had, but what kind of what are you, what are
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  you hearing from back channels, if anything?
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  Is this just kind of, you know, the roster in some respects is
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  is very familiar with one another because there's so many
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  drink Bulldogs on it. They're just practicing further
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  E than they normally would have last year.
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  What are you hearing, if anything, as to how it's going
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  and what Mccollum's asking his team to do?
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  John. I haven't heard anything, but I
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  found it interesting watching the videos that I'm looking at
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  and I'm like, you know, you're always used to, whenever you see
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  the videos, you know, these guys, you know, or whatever, the
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  guys coming back and you're looking at that and that's
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  pretty much a whole new team. And so it's going to take some
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  getting used to getting to know these guys and all that.
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  But I, I agree with you. I, I think there's a really good
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  foundation there. These are guys that know each
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  other as the, you know, all the Drake guys know each other.
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  They know what he wants as a coach.
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  They know how he is as a coach. It's going to take maybe a
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  little bit of a learning curve to the guys coming into even the
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  Cooper Koch, you know, because he's going to have to learn a
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  new coach. But I think this summer will be
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  really good for them to kind of bond and, and you can kind of
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  see in what they were doing in the first couple of videos that
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  this is a team that he's really trying to get them to bond right
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  away. And you can see that there,
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  there is some chemistry there right away.
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  So it, it, it's going to come. I, I still think this, this is
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  going to be a very good team this year.
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  I think it's an empty tournament team again, some things are
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  going to have to kind of fall into place.
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  But I like what they're doing right now, and I like where this
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  program is at. When he got six guys that have
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  played for him before, I think there's a chance to hit the
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  ground running and and couch basketball.
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  John is, you know, it's just so much different with to turnover
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  in every single roster that happens.
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  I think there's a big opportunity for them to go out
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  now. What have you heard about the
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  non conference scheduling? There hasn't been out.
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  There's a Bucknell game here. They're playing what in
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  California? They'll play two games out there
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  in Palm Desert and of course the Iowa State game.
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  Have you heard much else though about what this non conference
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  slate is going to look like? I think an opportunity for them
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  to get off to a good start. Yeah, I do too.
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  And I, I mean, obviously they're going to fill in teams there
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  that you know, that, that everybody always, I believe
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  Western Illinois on the schedule.
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  I have not heard anything officially, but I do believe
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  Western Illinois is on the schedule.
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  And you talk about a program that's getting all new players.
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  He's got a whole new roster there.
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  So I mean, I think there's some, there's some challenges to what
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  they're going, they're going to have this year.
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  I mean, I, I think they're going to be tested in the schedule,
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  You know, we'll kind of see it fill in here over the next few
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  weeks. But I, I like where they're at.
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  I like the game in Des Moines. I, I think it's a good idea.
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  I'm going to be curious to see if maybe there's going to be a
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  women's game in there, but I don't think there's going to be,
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  I think I think it's a good idea.
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  I think it's a good idea to play that game there or to play in
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  the Quad Cities or whatever, to just kind of get out and and
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  kind of show this program around the state.
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  Yeah, look what the Quad Cities game meant to the fans last
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  year. That was what stuck with me.
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  I mean, to the team rather getting in front of those fan
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  base and how passionate that they were.
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  I went out their Hall of Fame class for 2025.
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  The two names that I think would resonate, Bob Bolsby, obviously
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  the athletic director and Brandon Sheriff.
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  Here's AI. Don't know if you if it's
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  possible to answer this question because everybody's going to
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  have so many opinions. Who's Ference's best offensive
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  lineman? There's been so many.
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  That that's the I, he was one of them clearly.
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  And I mean, he was, he was just so good in, in that job, in that
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  role. And I, I always, because I've
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  been, that's one of my freelance projects 30 years, the last
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  couple years is interviewing these people going into the Hall
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  of Fame and it's kind of interesting.
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  It's kind of interesting to talk to them and what it means to
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  them and all that. And so I was looking through the
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  class that was like, he's supposed to be some really good
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  interviews. You know, look at Bob Bolesby
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  and what he did, you know, and when when you saw it kind of
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  broken down there, he really did a lot there.
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  I mean, the Davis, the Tom Davis stuff, you look back and you
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  think maybe you know about that decision.
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  But other than that, he had a big impact on that athletic
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  program. And so, you know, looking
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  through that class, all those people are deserving that it was
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  they've had so many good athletes here.
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  But getting back to your original question, I think
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  Brandon Sheriff's on that list and he may be at the top, but
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  you can argue for some different guys, but he's definitely.
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  On that list. Gallery probably would be 1 for
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  me. His NFL career he would have
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  started a right tackle and his sheriff.
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  He wasn't a left tackle of the league.
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  Linderbaum. They moved to be right inside.
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  There's a great one and we can go on and on, yes.
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  There's been so many. Bruce Nelson was a Bruce Nelson,
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  Yes. And what you're talking?
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  And guys that originally came in and didn't have a lot of, you
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  know, didn't have the stars by their name and came in and
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  played really good football and, and, and grew as players and
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  then went on to the NFL and had big impact.
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  So that's the thing that has always impressed me is the guys
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  that have taken that next step and have been really, really
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  good. And Tristan, worse, maybe we'll
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  have the best NFL career, best tackle in the league, all of
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  them, and he's going to be the most well compensated.
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  And we're not talking about any poor guys out of this group
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  either that we're going through. And Speaking of that, looking at
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  this offensive line, no, they Jennings dunker right at the end
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  of spring practice. He's going through surgery.
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  Well, you don't want that. Maybe the best right tackle in
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  college football coming back this season.
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  They go out into the transfer portal.
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  They bring in the candidate maybe to help on the left side
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  there. We talked about the new offense,
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  what Tim Blester is implementing and the quarterback plays going
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  to be better. But it doesn't matter if your
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  offensive line isn't very good. Where do you sit and the
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  development of that offensive line and, and where they're
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  going to be by the time August camp starts up?
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  I mean, I think they'll be pretty good.
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  What I would like to see though, is to have that group
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  established by Game 1, you know, don't kind of keep kind of
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  moving guys around as they kind of have here in some of these
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  past years, have that group established.
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  But I do think it's a very good group.
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  And I think it then when you, when you put them with the skill
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  players around them, I that's why I think this is going to be
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  a much better offense this year. And and I think now it's it's
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  just kind of, I mean, you know, you've got a new, I'm going to
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  say new offense line coach. She's now been there a few years
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  now. They know what he wants.
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  You're starting to see a lot more cohesiveness in that group.
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  And I think that is going to be the big thing with this offense
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  in my mind. Yeah.
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  Did anybody say Marshall Yanda? There's another.
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  One Hall of Famer. Right.
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  I mean, there's just been so many.
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  Who did he declete? What's the kid's name?
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  Parker. Yeah, I remember Parker.
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  Parker, that's what it was. Oh, what a blind side block that
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  that that plays. Not legal anymore.
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  No, that draws a 15 yard flag and.
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  Maybe an injection? And maybe so many things do
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  that. Then somebody was talking about
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  I was a video from just a few years ago of a quarterback hit.
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  And I'm like, in in today's game, that's a fine, you know,
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  in a penalty. And it was.
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  And at that time it was perfectly legal, you know.
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  So John, you're a member of the media.
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  Trent and I would be a big 10 media days, but what kind of
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  different capacity? We're there to talk and censor.
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  You're there to to write stories.
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  No, we'd love to you're, but you would be there to write as
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  you've been. There's so many of those media
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  days over the years. If in your capacity, wouldn't
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  you want Gronowski to be there? Because I'm not sure he will be
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  there this year. No.
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  And that's we were talking, Tom Caker and I were talking about
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  that night about who might come. And I was like, he has to be.
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  I agree. That's your starter, but he also
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  has never played. Right.
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  And Kirk likes to take guys there to honor.
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  Reward them, yes. Yes, to reward them.
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  And so yes, he should be there. Now whether he will be there, I
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  don't know, but he should be there in my mind because that's
• 29:53
  your face, face your offense and and has a really good story to
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  tell. And but I think Kirk always
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  likes his, you know, the guys that have been there a long time
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  to reward them. But then again, you start
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  thinking, well, OK, who should go?
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  Then it goes back to you should take it, bye bye.
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  Yeah, 'cause McNamara never went right.
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  He didn't go, thank goodness, right?
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  I mean, certainly his last. Year last year was Jay Higgins.
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  Your Jay Higgins, Luke Lachey and Quinn Schulte went last.
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  Year. Yeah, yeah.
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  Got to have investment in the program.
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  I mean, it's Kirk. I know he but but the rest, the
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  Big 10 media wants to talk to the guy that's going to change
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  this offense. And I'm not talking about Jim
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  Lester 'cause he doesn't get the play.
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  They want to talk to Grenade. That's why I asked John, because
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  he's, you know, the different media than you and I are, Trent.
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  So yeah, that's why I put it down the.
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  Interesting thing is Kirk's going to hate this being in Las
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  Vegas, but that's because he always liked the Indianapolis go
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  over that morning, get it done, come home.
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  And you're not going to be able to do that with this.
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  And and this thing's going to be a lot more glitzy than in the
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  past. And it's going to be fascinating
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  to see how that all. Goes well.
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  Maybe we'll get him over to Circa.
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  We'll put him in the world's biggest sports book.
• 31:04
  He can hang out with us for a little bit.
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  Maybe we can can get him to change his tune.
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  What do you think? Yeah, I just bring it up to him
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  at some point. We'll see.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Good luck, John. Thanks for doing it.
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  Well, real quick on your baseball team, John, the Mets
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  and the Dodgers three-game, is it a three-game or 4 game?
• 31:20
  That's four they play today. Yeah, super, really good teams,
• 31:24
  obviously. And and then going back to the
• 31:26
  weekend, the Yankees and the Dodgers, that was really good
• 31:29
  theater, especially Friday night Judge.
• 31:31
  And then no, Tony. Or was it the other way around?
• 31:32
  Whatever. They they both the both the big
• 31:35
  boppers doing what they do. Obviously, despite all the
• 31:38
  injuries, you you got to acknowledge that this Dodger
• 31:43
  team is still going to be a major, major factor even though
• 31:45
  their pitching is decimated. I keep telling people this right
• 31:49
  now, that you look at their record and then you realize they
• 31:52
  haven't come close to even playing their best baseball.
• 31:54
  Right. So, and, and there's a lot of
• 31:56
  teams out there that have really good records that I don't know
• 31:58
  how much better they could be. So I'm not big yet.
• 32:02
  They'll be fine. Who's the second best team in
• 32:05
  the West in your mind? I can't say the Padres just
• 32:10
  because I don't like him and I can't say the.
• 32:12
  Giants because you don't like him.
• 32:14
  Yeah, so I. Might be the Rockies in your
• 32:16
  mind. In my mind, no, I'm going to go
• 32:18
  Diamondbacks, of course, you know, and then Corbin Burns.
• 32:21
  Think about all the guys that all the pitchers that were out
• 32:23
  there as free agents this year and how many of them gotten
• 32:26
  hurt, you know, and then think about all the money that was
• 32:30
  invested in them and it's. It's crazy.
• 32:33
  My my squad signed Max Scherzer. How's that worked out?
• 32:36
  Brutal. Yeah.
• 32:37
  So, John, good stuff, buddy. Thanks for doing this.
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  Talk to you in a couple of weeks.
• 32:42
  Thanks, I'm good. With you use the same John Bowen
• 32:44
  camp. Associated Press and Iowa
• 32:46
  College hoops.com love catching up with Bowen Camp.
• 32:49
  That offensive lineman question. I mean, it's, it's, it's
• 32:52
  everybody's got their own opinion.
• 32:55
  Gallery was drafted second overall.
• 32:57
  He was the best college player. I think he was, right.
• 32:59
  I think he was. He was, maybe.
• 33:01
  Linderbaum, though, Trent. There's a college.
• 33:04
  He was also dominated. He did.
• 33:07
  He didn't have much help. I mean his guards were mostly
• 33:09
  terrible. Around him, right?
• 33:12
  But they also didn't run the ball very well.
• 33:14
  I mean, doesn't that have to also be a component?
• 33:17
  I just like the way he finishes his block till the echo of the
• 33:20
  whistle. Sure, but that shouldn't make
• 33:22
  you the best guy I. Get it?
• 33:23
  I know, but those are the places that stick with you in your
• 33:26
  mind. Now look at gallery's probably
• 33:29
  the answer, yeah? But so talented.
• 33:31
  Oh Yanda, those dudes. Balaka played a long time, got a
• 33:37
  Super Bowl. Ring, you end up playing there.
• 33:39
  Kayak doesn't even have a football program anymore.
• 33:41
  Yeah. It's wild, truly is.
• 33:44
  Thought he's going to Iowa State.
• 33:46
  Is that right? I didn't know that he was.
• 33:48
  Was he committed to Iowa State out of high school?
• 33:50
  I don't remember that. Something like that out of
• 33:52
  Animosa. Decided to go up there, got a
• 33:54
  phone call and now Football Hall of Fame.
• 33:58
  Wow, Miller and Condon Trent's plays of the day.
• 34:00
  They are next. Not a ton of baseball.
• 34:03
  There is an NBA game. I want to.
• 34:06
  Did you find the prices for the alternate lines?
• 34:08
  I'll find them here during. The good stuff Miller and Condon
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  Now the numbers gone up. See where it goes as we get
• 34:25
  closer to tip time. Do you play?
• 34:28
  You don't play the totals in games much, do you?
• 34:30
  No, I don't either. Well I don't play games either,
• 34:33
  but I've never been one to even you know, try and think if it's
• 34:37
  a good number or a bad number for some you can take advantage
• 34:39
  of. I just not into it.
• 34:41
  Same, right? My mind does not work deep into
• 34:44
  that. Every once in a while they will,
• 34:46
  but in general, I'm not a great better as is.
• 34:48
  And then you take it to throw another category in there that I
• 34:51
  could struggle at. No thanks for me.
• 34:53
  Yeah, I'm with you. So it's not a not a large slate.
• 34:56
  There's a bunch of games going on as we speak in Major League
• 34:59
  Baseball. There's one, maybe, I don't
• 35:02
  know, a handful, 5 or 6 of them under the lights tonight or in
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  the twilight tonight. Do you like any baseball before
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  we get to the NBA in your alternate?
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  Totals yeah, I got a couple of baseball games for today.
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  We're going to open things up 635 first pitch tonight.
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  I'm going to take Peapot and the rays -140 for them against Jack
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  Leiter and the God forsaken Rangers.
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  Man team just can't hit, so we'll lay it with Tampa in very.
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  Years. Jack Leiter, of course.
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  He's AL's kid. He was.
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  Wasn't he the number one or #2? Pick He was up there.
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  He. Was out of Andy.
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  Yep, but Jack Letter's in the show now.
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  Good. He's four and two, 3.66 ERA,
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  good solid start to his career. He's not the problem, no the
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  offense. That's the problem with the.
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  When they step into the batter's box.
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  Speaking of guys though that have kind of disappointed who?
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  Cole Reagans. For the Royals.
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  Here's a bounce back tonight in the Interstate Series.
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  Give me the Royals plus one O. 3 and that's the late game.
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  So there is are they must be underway early.
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  They are in the in the make up game and Casey's up to A2 zip
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  leads as they play top of the fifth in Saint Louis 2 Nothing
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  Royals. And I've got one more play
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  before the NBA tonight. Give me the Liberty laying the
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  big number -12 1/2 in Washington.
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  You mentioned Lucy Olsen a little bit earlier, no?
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  They're not very good they. Are not a very good team and the
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  Liberty. Yeah, they're the best.
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  They're a really, really good. Team, are they the best or would
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  would you say Minnesota? No, it's still Liberty.
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  Yeah, I mean, coupled with what they've done recently, I think
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  you have to give it to Liberty. But that was a good series I
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  think a year ago. That gap is not significant, but
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  the edge goes to New York for and then alternate spread.
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  So tonight you can lay 14 1/2 with the Thunder plus 166.
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  You want to play 19 1/2 nearly 3 to 1.
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  You want to get real crazy Thunder win it by 25.
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  You get basically 5 to 1 + 496 at DraftKings.
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  About 30 + 780. You want to do that?
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  What if I want to bet the Pacers on the money line?
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  The Pacers on the money line you can get plus 360.
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  You would be more apt to do that, wouldn't you?
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  I think it's going to be a good game.
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  You hope. I that's, let me rephrase that,
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  I hope it's going to be a good game.
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  I don't want this thing to end in four or five.
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  I don't. Well, Game 6 would be two weeks
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  from tonight, I think. Hope in one hand, crap in the
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  other, see which one fills up first.
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  And I, I just, I think that's where we are.
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  You're probably right. I want to be dead wrong, and I
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  would love to be dead wrong. I just keep standing out.
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  Was who was favored in the Knicks Pacers series prior to
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  game one? I mean, to win, to win the
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  series. Oh, it was the Knicks, yeah.
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  So Cleveland was favored. The Knicks were favored, yes.
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  And going way back, were the Bucks favored?
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  It was a close one. It was pretty tight.
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  Memory serves, that was the four, five match up.
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  And we thought this could go either way.
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  And the Pacers got through in five and then they got through
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  Cleveland in five and then took six to get through to get
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  through the next. Look, they're three and O in
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  game ones. Is that a trend you should have
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  on your side? 360.
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  I don't think I can go there. So no hockey tonight?
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  Nope, no baseball. It's all hoops.
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  Yep. Oh oh, the Cubs play I think at
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  5:45. I like that time slot.
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  Good start. It is, it is.
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  It was a pretty good game yesterday for what I saw.
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  As soon as hockey came on, I was done for baseball.
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  I was loving the Twins on the West Coast.
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  That works out better for my schedule.
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  Twins got it done again. They did Zebby.
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  And now Lopez is out eight to 12.
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  We saw that. That's why you were pissed off
• 38:48
  with the. Show maybe that's what it was.
• 38:50
  Yeah, I wonder. I knew there must be something.
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  Do you lose a bet? Something's not under his skin,
• 38:54
  Pablo. Yeah.
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  That's going to do it for us. The drive is next, Trent, and
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  I'll be back tomorrow. We're always here Monday through
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  Friday from noon until 2, talking sports with you on the
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  Eye with Sports Radio Network.