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Day Of Epiphany From Author Jerome J Bourgault History Isn't Gone Forever · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: you got to be well after putting a book like
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  Speaker 1: this out there, My god, this is like cleansing the
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  Speaker 1: soul and opening up the door for other people to
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  Speaker 1: peek into it. And oh my god, yeah who.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah yeah, And it's it's really gratifying because it
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  Speaker 2: you know, you you know, you spend so much time
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  Speaker 2: working on a project like this and it's inside to
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  Speaker 2: the whole time, right and you want to get it out,
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  Speaker 2: and you want to get it out, and finding you
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  Speaker 2: get it out and they okay, so it's out. Then
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  Speaker 2: what you know, And now there's like, in the space
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  Speaker 2: of six months, I've had, you know, two pretty major
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  Speaker 2: awards and and all of a sudden, they hey and
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  Speaker 2: this is like people are hearing it and hearing it
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  Speaker 2: and reading the story that I haven't asked them to
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  Speaker 2: read it. You know what I mean, goes beyond your mom,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it does. And I think it's one of those
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  Speaker 1: stories that people want to tap into because they do
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  Speaker 1: want to know, because we all have our own versions
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  Speaker 1: of stories. And what you're doing is you're giving us
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  Speaker 1: something tangible to hold on to.
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  Speaker 2: Here. Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think so this
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  Speaker 2: is you know, it is it's based on actual events
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  Speaker 2: there and it's people that you know, it's it's like
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  Speaker 2: kind of stuff that happened to your parents' generation sort
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  Speaker 2: of thing, and of so many people are still alive
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  Speaker 2: because it still around to tell these stories, but they're
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  Speaker 2: dying off, you know. I mean, the central character in
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  Speaker 2: this book is about my mom's age. My mom's about
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  Speaker 2: to turn ninety eight. Wow, she's sharp as attack, she's
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  Speaker 2: a bright one. But you know, and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: these people that didn't you know, a lot of them
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  Speaker 2: haven't survived all this time and so on. So it's
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  Speaker 2: a story that needs to be told. You know, the
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  Speaker 2: before's all completely forgotten.
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  Speaker 3: See.
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  Speaker 1: I love the idea that you're doing that because you
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  Speaker 1: can take down statues, you can take down plaques on
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  Speaker 1: a wall, but you cannot take away that the voice
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  Speaker 1: of the author or the writer, especially the historian, because
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  Speaker 1: we love to dig in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think that's what's needed.
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  Speaker 2: And funny, I was just listening last night to John
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  Speaker 2: Stewart YEA on his podcast, and he was talking to
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  Speaker 2: a couple of historians. We're saying exactly what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's like people, you know, these stories are
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  Speaker 2: going to live on, you know, but you know, with
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  Speaker 2: with with that little bit of help, you know, keep them,
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  Speaker 2: keep that fire going a little bit. Say hey, you
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  Speaker 2: know what, not all the history is great, Not all
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  Speaker 2: this history is good news, but it's history, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: it tells us who we are, and it gives you
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  Speaker 2: that complete picture and it's vital, you know, especially you
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  Speaker 2: know tom nowadays time you know what am I trying
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  Speaker 2: to say here? The attention spans are getting short, right, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, Well this comes at such a great time because
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  Speaker 1: it does open up our eyes into the avenues of
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  Speaker 1: how we can easily forgive. Because I'm gonna tell you what,
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  Speaker 1: what really went through my mind. There's so many things
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  Speaker 1: that go through my mind inside this book. The most
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  Speaker 1: recent one would be the gentleman that was busted and
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  Speaker 1: sent to prison for life because of the mass murderers
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  Speaker 1: that he that he did. He had he was a
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  Speaker 1: serial killer, and he kind of looks down. He thought, well,
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  Speaker 1: I guess I was bad. And oh really, now look
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  Speaker 1: at this story. It's almost like the same thing. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I guess we did something wrong between nineteen forty four
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  Speaker 1: and fifty nine. Oh really, Oh my god. And it's
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  Speaker 1: taking us your room to bring it back up again.
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  Speaker 1: Oh really, Well, and that's what I love about this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's a you know, although I mean it's
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  Speaker 2: also something that you know, to give credit to the
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  Speaker 2: people of Quebec. They haven't forgotten the story good. And
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  Speaker 2: it was funny too, because I was I was here,
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  Speaker 2: I was, you know, I was writing this story. I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking to my daughter, you know, and you know, dadsplaining
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  Speaker 2: this whole thing to her, you know, and she stops
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  Speaker 2: and goes, oh, dad, I know all about this. I
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  Speaker 2: go really, yeah, yeah, we took it in high school.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: She went to high school in Quebec. They taught this.
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  Speaker 2: Not only did they, she went to a Catholic School
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  Speaker 2: in Quebec and they got in front of it and
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  Speaker 2: they said, yes, this happened, this happened on our watch
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  Speaker 2: kind of thing. So I'm proud of that. But the
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  Speaker 2: story never got out really outside into the English speaking world,
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  Speaker 2: not so much. I don't got forgotten. And then Yad
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  Speaker 2: does the language barrier as well, you know, So I'm
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  Speaker 2: happy to bring that out and to tell people, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: because I told people about this story, no one had
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  Speaker 2: heard about it. No my English speaking friends knew about it.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. You know, you bring up a very interesting point
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  Speaker 1: here that I'm sure is going to be one of
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  Speaker 1: the attractions when people come into the Barnes and Noble
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  Speaker 1: or go to Amazon to find it, and that is
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  Speaker 1: is that did God have a hand in the darkness? Now, now,
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  Speaker 1: being a strong Christian, that we're yeah, well there's a
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  Speaker 1: possibility because we're supposed to learn a lesson here, and
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  Speaker 1: so you just kind of sit back going okay, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: what do you want me to learn, big guy up
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  Speaker 1: there in the sky. And so that and I swear
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  Speaker 1: that's the vision that I haven't going into this story.
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  Speaker 1: What am I supposed to learn from this? So that
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  Speaker 1: it does not happen again.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's you know, this is the crisis
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  Speaker 2: that my central character goes through. Yes, you know, she's young,
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  Speaker 2: and she's got dealistic and she's intelligent, and she's well
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  Speaker 2: a sick kid, and she's living. She adores her kids
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  Speaker 2: or the orphans that she teaches, and and and you know,
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  Speaker 2: and she's all her life, you know, she's been devoted
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  Speaker 2: and she she's she she signs up, right, she she
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  Speaker 2: joins a religious order. Uh and uh and there there
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  Speaker 2: there their mandate is to you know, educate. Then this
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  Speaker 2: terrible thingting, the terrible switch happens, and this happens. These
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  Speaker 2: are people in These are people in power who've got this.
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  Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter whether they represent a church or
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  Speaker 2: a government. They're people with ambition, the people who want influence.
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  Speaker 2: And who are these children to them? Right? They look
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  Speaker 2: upon these kids here to me in mine, this is
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  Speaker 2: like nineteen this is the nineteen fifty. Yeah, and these
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  Speaker 2: are children children who are conceived in sin because for
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  Speaker 2: the most part, for these orphans, orphanages were populated by
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  Speaker 2: the children of unmarried parents, right, yeah, And so the
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  Speaker 2: parents are the moms, these young moms. We were like
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  Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen year old moms who were were who were
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  Speaker 2: pressured into relinquishing custody of their children to the church
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  Speaker 2: right as a wave of atoning for their terrible sin
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  Speaker 2: of the stake of youth. So the kids are brought
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  Speaker 2: up in this in this environment, and and and so
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  Speaker 2: the nuns who were who are there to take care
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  Speaker 2: of them, uh you know, are are are told all this,
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  Speaker 2: and they kind of bought into it. And then they
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  Speaker 2: see the results of these of the of these actions,
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  Speaker 2: and you know that that all of a sudden, the government,
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  Speaker 2: oh well, you know, we can double the subsidy we
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  Speaker 2: get from the federal government per child per day. And
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  Speaker 2: all we have to do is to reclassify these kids
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  Speaker 2: as make the orphanage's mental hospitals. This happened, and it
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  Speaker 2: happened at the stroke of a pen, you know. And
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  Speaker 2: so yeah, and so these kids have got absolutely no
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  Speaker 2: rights under the law the wards of the state. And
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  Speaker 2: you you're they're okay, well, you know, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: can do kind of with them what you want. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you can experiment them because they're patients now, right, they're
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  Speaker 2: mental patients, so you you try things on them, experimental
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  Speaker 2: drugs and therapies and electroconvulsive shock therapy and straightjack. Because
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  Speaker 2: these are kids, they're little children, you know. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's a horror.
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  Speaker 3: And so here's this young woman who's seeing all this,
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  Speaker 3: and she sees these children as children, and she loves
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  Speaker 3: them deeply, and she's going like and she sees her
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  Speaker 3: part of this system, which in fact she used, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and and she can't she can't reconcile what she's seeing
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  Speaker 3: and the actions that are being taken with the vow
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  Speaker 3: that she's taken.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what her conflict is. And it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: a question of lifting the curtain, you know, seeing seeing
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  Speaker 2: the seeing what's going on behind the curtain.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Jerome J. Borgo
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  Speaker 1: coming up next, the name of his book Day of Infany.
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  Speaker 1: We are back with author Jerome Jay Borgo. You know
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  Speaker 1: this is going on all over the world even today,
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  Speaker 1: right you know in your heart the reason why you
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  Speaker 1: were probably called to bring this story forward was because
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  Speaker 1: it is happening today. It is history. Repeat, I've seen
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  Speaker 1: it right here in Carolina and reading this book, I
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  Speaker 1: really feel like it's like, oh my god, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: you talked about parents and things and what they went through. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is sure this was back
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  Speaker 1: there in nineteen forty four to nineteen fifty nine, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It still affects the child today that could
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  Speaker 1: be the grandchild or the great grandchild. And that's what
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  Speaker 1: I love about this story, Jerome, is that you're bringing
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  Speaker 1: us a story, but it's a story that is based
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  Speaker 1: on truth, and it's happening in our world even today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, let me think you a couple of things,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you know, and it's a term that it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of finally we're hearing it more and more of
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  Speaker 2: these days. Wish it had gotten into the vernacular decades ago.
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  Speaker 2: Generational trauma. Oh yeah, right, yeah, you know. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the only other book that I have read in English
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  Speaker 2: about this, This is the only other novel I have
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  Speaker 2: ever read about this, this incident from an English speaker
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  Speaker 2: was actually a the daughter of a survivor. O god right,
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  Speaker 2: and and she wrote about it's an excellent book and
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  Speaker 2: I really recommended. Her name is Joanna Goodman, and it's
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  Speaker 2: the I think it's called The School for Unwanted Girls.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's the title of it. I get but
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  Speaker 2: I get that wrong. But so so there's that. You know,
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  Speaker 2: so these injuries live on in the besides you know,
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  Speaker 2: the the you know, they they they got to say,
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  Speaker 2: they get out of the orphanages and in their late
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  Speaker 2: teens or something, you know, and they well they have
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  Speaker 2: they do would have children and living in pretty terrible
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  Speaker 2: conditions because these when they got out of the orphanages,
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  Speaker 2: they had very preciful education.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: They also they suffered from all kinds of physical injuries.
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  Speaker 2: They suffered from, uh depression, many of them developed substance abuses,
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  Speaker 2: low or underemployment or unemployment. There are a lot of suicides.
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  Speaker 2: So that the children of this generation are what are
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  Speaker 2: their odds? Right?
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  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. So how did you even deal
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  Speaker 1: with this psychologically? Because when you dig into truth like this,
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  Speaker 1: and I know that you're putting it in story form,
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  Speaker 1: you still have to limit yourself. Jerome, you lived this
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  Speaker 1: because you were called back to it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah oh yeah, oh yeah, and uh oh I get
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  Speaker 2: that question a lot. I get yeah, and you know
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  Speaker 2: they give you nightmares hell yeah, yeah, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: know you write some of the passes that I wrote,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, one I glue this, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: and you're reading about it and you go no, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and then you hear you hear these these episodes, right,
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  Speaker 2: these descriptions of something happened. You written one source and
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  Speaker 2: you go to another source and it's repeated, different language,
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  Speaker 2: but everything. Oh my god, Okay, so this is real.
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  Speaker 2: So I made a very deliberate choice, and I was writing, now,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not making up anything. Every single description of an
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  Speaker 2: instance of abuse or injured whatever came from uh reports
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  Speaker 2: from survivors.
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  Speaker 1: So is sister Cassandra a real person?
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  Speaker 2: Not really, No, she's a you make her feel.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I was, you know, I really felt
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  Speaker 1: it well in my heart, in my eyes touching that page.
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  Speaker 1: She is a real person because that's the way. That's
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  Speaker 1: how much I believe in what you put on that page.
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  Speaker 1: That as a writer. And the greatest thing about what
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  Speaker 1: you do is you don't sound like a journalist. You
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  Speaker 1: really sound like it's one of those where it's like,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, can you come here for a second.
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  Speaker 1: I got a story to share, And that's exactly what
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  Speaker 1: you do here, dude, is that you you share the
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  Speaker 1: story with us.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot with it too. Cassandra, she,
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  Speaker 2: I'll be honest, she was inspired by my own mom
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  Speaker 2: and I said, she's about the same age my mom.
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  Speaker 2: Uh was the second oldest subjective in Jordan. Her mom
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  Speaker 2: would have loved for my mom to be a nun
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  Speaker 2: My grandmother would have been thrilled about that. My mom
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  Speaker 2: a different idea and she give a nurse. But some
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  Speaker 2: of the episodes that some of the descriptions there are
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  Speaker 2: from my mom's life. My mom was a very very bright,
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  Speaker 2: very very bright lady. She is still uh and uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know she she graduated like summa cum lati in
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  Speaker 2: her nursing. Yeah, she was a brilliant she she wrote
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  Speaker 2: she you know, she would read her her prize winning
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  Speaker 2: essays on the local radio station you know where she
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  Speaker 2: grew up. And she was a tiny thing. Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: but very very caring, very compassionate. So and currently is
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  Speaker 2: of of Cassandra's family kind of reflects to a degree
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  Speaker 2: of my mom's. So there's there is a lot of
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  Speaker 2: truth in that in those little anecdotes on the tide,
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  Speaker 2: those descriptions, those are real.
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  Speaker 1: So now when you put this into a moving picture way,
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  Speaker 1: are you going to do a twelve part binge watch,
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  Speaker 1: and if you do, I got to ask you a question.
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  Speaker 1: You being up there in Canada, I love the way
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  Speaker 1: that your director's, producers and writers really take their time
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  Speaker 1: in sharing an authentic story. It's not a rush rush scene.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I hope that when you decide that you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna put this in a binge watch or a movie,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to take your time so we can really
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  Speaker 1: feel the entire emotion.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love you man. You know, you cap the
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  Speaker 2: perfect mean because you know, there is not an author
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  Speaker 2: on the planet who doesn't think that their work would
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  Speaker 2: make a brilliant you know, movie or or or TV
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  Speaker 2: you know series, and so it's pushed on this, I
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  Speaker 2: will say, yeah, yeah, I see this as like a
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  Speaker 2: you know, six part oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely. And
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  Speaker 2: I had you know, I had ideas about, not necessarily
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  Speaker 2: the casting, but I certainly had an idea about direction.
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  Speaker 2: You know, go go a couple of ways, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you want something really kind of big and atmospheric.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I was thinking, oh, well, David Finch
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  Speaker 2: would be really cool. But then you know, in the
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  Speaker 2: back of my mind, no, I need somebody else. First
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  Speaker 2: of all, I need a woman, Yes, and a Canadian
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  Speaker 2: woman who is who is a master of stories, and
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  Speaker 2: that would be Sarah Pauley. Sarah, if you're out there listening.
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  Speaker 1: To this Oscar winner, yep.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you know, give me a call, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because she would, she would bring this to life, she would,
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  Speaker 2: and she would make it so humane and so compelling. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: that would be that she would be my number one choice.
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  Speaker 1: I think the reason why I brought that up was
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  Speaker 1: one hundred percent based on what I was doing for
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  Speaker 1: research yesterday, and that was his that stories that are
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  Speaker 1: working right now are not necessarily about the crime. It's
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  Speaker 1: about the survival afterwards. And and you can't help but
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  Speaker 1: think about that when you're when you're reading Day of Infamy,
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  Speaker 1: that that you're sitting there going, Okay, he's now presented
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  Speaker 1: what has happened now, the human side on the other
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  Speaker 1: side of the of the tracks basically, And that's that's
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  Speaker 1: what I love it. You have totally set yourself up
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  Speaker 1: for something that is totally in tune with where we
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  Speaker 1: are as readers.
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  Speaker 2: I hope, so, I hope. So that's you know, I
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  Speaker 2: just felt so compelling this story the more I researched it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I was getting the hair in the back
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  Speaker 2: of my neck danding, you know, and and I was like, no, this,
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  Speaker 2: this has to be told. And you know, I summoned.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I have a background in theater. I was
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  Speaker 2: an acra for a while, so I kind of learned
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  Speaker 2: about atmosphere. I've learned about dialogue and and so this
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  Speaker 2: when I wrote this, this is visual. This was a
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  Speaker 2: movie I was playing in my head. I can see
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  Speaker 2: it over and over again. Yeah. So it's like you
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  Speaker 2: walk into this church and there's a boom reverber right,
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  Speaker 2: the can hear the footsteps on the hard floor and
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  Speaker 2: you look at it dimly lit, and they're like four
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  Speaker 2: or five people sitting in the pews, you know, waiting
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  Speaker 2: for the parish priests to come in to take confession.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that was a visual and it went from
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  Speaker 2: top from the beginning to end. You know, I was
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: watching this movie unfold and before my eyes, just trying
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: to keep up. Oh, not surprising, it's just me less
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: than less than a year to write it.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Still still people don't understand the time that we put
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: into into making a book. So where can people go
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: to find out more about you? Because twenty minutes with
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: you Jerome is never going to be enough time. So A,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: you got to come back to the show, and B
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I want people to know where you are.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome, Okay. The best thing to find out about
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: me is my website. And I don't know if you're
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: gonna have it posted someplace because it's my name in
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: full dot com, but it's Jerome J. E R O
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: M E J B O U R G A U
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  Speaker 2: l T Jerome Jborgo dot com. That's my website. It
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: has uh information on both of my novels. There the
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: books available through Amazon. The book is also available through
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Barnes and Noble Online.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Wow, you've got to come back to this show anytime
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: in the future.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Love to man, I love to please do Will you.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Be brilliant today? Okay, sir, thank.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: You so much. Have a good one.