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Random Heathen Ramblings: S5, EP23 - Exploring The Heathen Soul Complex (feat Eric "Word-Weaver" Sjerven) · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  welcome back to this week's episode of the podcast.
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  this very special episode, one that I have been very, very
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  excited about. First of all, just doing and,
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  and being able to announce and, and, and sharing all this with
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  you guys out here. This has been an episode that
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  you know, this guest that we're having on here today, this week,
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  highly respected individual, not by just myself, but in in in
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  other heathen communities as well, at least here in the US
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  that I know of. He has his own YouTube channel
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  and online community on Facebook.
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  He I want to say he still has a podcast.
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  Not sure what his cadences. I'm putting content out.
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  I haven't heard of anything new or recent, you know, very, very,
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  you know, very recently. But his name is Eric Wordweaver
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  Shervin. His show on YouTube was called
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  the Ravens. Call his Facebook community
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  online on, on, on. What do you call it?
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  Facebook? Yeah.
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  His Facebook community is called the Wordweaver Productions and
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  he has an interactive group called Word Weaver community.
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  All of that stuff is LinkedIn, the show notes for you guys to
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  check out. If you are a first time listener
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  or viewer here on the on the platform that you're catching
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  this on, you don't know who I'm talking about.
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  All of his stuff is going to be linked wherever you need to find
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  it. Again, he is well known in the
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  heathen community, has been a heathen for decades.
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  He lives in East Texas. He's the Goli of the Hridgari or
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  the Hridgar folk, a small group of a small tribe of East Texas
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  heathens just kind of out there doing their thing the way
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  heathens in Texas do. But he is going to be coming
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  here on the show shortly to talk about a topic that, I mean, if
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  we could, if we could say that there is a complex topic in
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  heathenry, this would be one. I think that all heathens, no
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  matter which type of heathen you are, could agree on.
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  And that is the topic of the soul.
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  What makes up the heathen soul? Or as we will come to find out,
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  the soul complex itself, right? The various parts of the self,
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  the various parts of the soul and, and kind of diving into a
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  bit of each of those known things.
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  Eric has some, some background with this particular topic.
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  It's kind of one of his, say, specialties.
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  It's one of his points of interest.
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  It's not something he really likes to talk about.
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  It actually really I, I think helped with like his, his, his
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  prior career path, being in the, in the line of work that he was
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  in, getting an understanding of the human psyche, the psychology
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  aspect of things and just getting a, a, a sense of that
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  from from that perspective. So we're going to be talking
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  about that today. So buckle up, strap in, get
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  ready for a ride with this one because if you are a seasoned
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  heathen and you have your own world views around the
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  complexities of the soul and, and what that is made-up of,
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  you'll probably hearing a lot of familiar things today.
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  If you are a newer heathen and you are looking for information
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  or sort of a, a, a launching off point or or whatever to, to
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  start building that understanding, you're in the
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  right place. Eric is definitely a great
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  resource to learn from when it comes to this particular topic,
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  I feel, as well as other things. Again, if you want to check out
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  more of his stuff, just head over to the his YouTube channel.
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  It's going to be LinkedIn, the show notes of this podcast and
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  watch all of his stuff that he's got in his in his in his back
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  catalogue. You know, he may not be putting
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  out new stuff, but his existing content, you know, it's still,
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  it still measures up the stuff today.
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  So before we get into that, we'll, we'll get him to come on
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  concerned about. So yeah, guys and gals, that's
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  what the show is going to be on this week.
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  So like I said, it's going to be an interesting one.
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  And Eric tends to be very thorough with his explanation of
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  things. He is called the word Weaver for
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  a reason. So I'm very much excited to have
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  him on the show here and looking forward to our discussion.
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  So without further ado, let's welcome in Eric Word Weaver.
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  Shervin go the of the Ridge garfolk to the show.
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  All right, folks, as I mentioned early on before Eric got here,
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  I'm very excited to have back on this show here with me today.
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  Eric Wordweaver, Shervin go the of the Ridgar folk and host of
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  the Ravens Call show on YouTube and wherever else.
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  Eric, welcome back to the show, man.
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  Hey, thanks for having me man. It's been a minute, but I'm
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  excited to be here. I'm excited to have you back.
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  I thought I hit I I thought I'm like there was a pause there
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  after I said welcome and I'm like, did I do something?
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  Did did it already start glitching on me?
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  Did it? There was a little bit of a lag,
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  but we're good. OK, OK.
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  Well, we're good, all right? We're we're we're good.
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  So yes, Eric, here is I mentioned early on, Eric, you
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  know, folks that have been listening or watching my show
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  probably already know who you are.
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  Your reputation precedes you and but for those folks that are
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  going to be catching this, that are new or maybe don't know as
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  much about you, would you feel free to introduce yourself
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  please? Should I think, yeah, my name is
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  Eric Shervin. I'm known as the word Weaver.
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  That was a deed name that was given to me by my tribe back in
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  the day. Whole deal on deed names is a
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  big thing, but I, I earned that, went through my writing and
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  through my storytelling and whatnot.
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  I'm the Goli of the Rythgar tribe here in the East Texas
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  area. We've been officially oathed as
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  a tribe since 2010, still going strong.
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  I wasn't the original leader of the tribe, but I am now.
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  Our previous leader stepped down, but I've been the priest
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  for the tribe the entire time. And of course, we use the Norse
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  Icelandic term Goldie to represent that.
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  And I know a number of your viewers will always already be
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  familiar with that terminology, but the context in which we use
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  it currently is kind of a conjoined Chieftain and priest
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  class, the keeper of the altar and the Keeper of the rituals.
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  And then I have different members that are responsible for
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  different areas. I've got a Keeper of the Ways, a
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  Keeper of the Lore, Keeper of the Shields.
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  So, but yeah, I've been doing it.
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  I've been producing content now for I've lost count several
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  years. Several years I came across you
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  when I first started, like 6 / 6 years ago.
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  That's when I first came across. And I've been doing it for just
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  a little bit. Before you, I'd actually only
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  started maybe six months before you started yours.
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  So it's been about the same length of time, six or seven
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  years. But I've been here then
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  essentially my entire life. I've known what to call it since
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  I was a teenager, which was, you know, almost 30 years ago.
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  So I've got several decades of it under my belt.
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  I'm heading into the research, heading into ritual and
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  theological elements. Yeah.
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  I mean, anybody that's curious about it can go and check out
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  the YouTube channel for my more in depth dives into various and
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  a sundry parts of Heathenry and just kind of whatever, you know,
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  sets my mind on fire, as it were.
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  I am what you would call tribal heathen.
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  I do use a tribal modality for the build of our the way we do
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  things, which is a gathering of clans around a central unit that
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  then is the tribe. And then that that's a whole
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  different conversation. But yeah, that's, that's me.
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  I've got a book out there, Saga Bjorn Thorofsen, which is a
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  mixture of just storytelling, campfire stories that I wrote
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  that helped to kind of pass down heathen virtues and mentality
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  worldview, things like that. So if anybody's interested in
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  that, it's up on Amazon and the Kindle store.
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  And then I'm also on TikTok also as Eric Wordweaver.
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  I believe that's more silly stuff, short bite sized things,
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  the Youtubes where I'll do like my hour long diatribes.
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  But yeah, that's that's me in a nutshell for the moment.
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  Nice. Yeah, I did.
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  I, I mentioned your YouTube and of course the, the, the Facebook
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  community, the word Weaver community, Word Weaver
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  productions. I think Word Weaver Productions.
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  So people can join that group if they want to, right?
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  If they want to? Oh yeah.
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  Absolutely. Stations and.
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  Yeah, it's a great networking. Yeah, I know for sure.
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  I'm, I'm, I loved, you know, that I, I'm in the group.
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  I've been in there for, I think as long as I've known about it,
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  so several years at least. And I love how you use that as
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  one of the tools to come up with content too.
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  You know, you get people weighing in or asking questions
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  and next thing you know, it becomes a, a video that you do
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  later on. And we've, you know, we've,
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  we've bounced ideas off each other.
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  You've really helped. You've really helped like.
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  Most of my. Videos me and other.
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  Community or from the. Yeah, yeah, I and you've helped
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  me and I know others too with the grassroots level of
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  Heathenry. You know, when, when especially
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  newer folks are coming in and they're looking for like minded
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  people or they're, they're trying to figure out their way,
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  ultimately, you know, it comes to conversation of well, who,
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  you know, where are your people gathering?
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  And if they're not people in the area, well, where can I find
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  them? And I'm like, one of the things
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  that you helped me with was if you aren't aware of people in
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  the area, or maybe there's just not as many people, then, you
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  know, put yourself out there, you know, kind of start, start
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  that fire yourself and see who comes to gather around your,
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  your fire, you know, which I love.
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  Yep. So we've shared, you know there.
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  Have been a couple of spin off groups that have come.
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  Oh, yeah, I, I mean, I can say for sure that here in, in, in
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  Middle Tennessee, like our group here, the clarity folk like 100%
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  of inspiration from, from what I learned from, from watching your
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  stuff and just paying attention, you know, and then more than
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  that, but really, you know, picking your brain, getting to
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  know you a bit. I appreciate our friendship, as
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  it were from, from long distance getting a chance to, to talk.
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  You know, you've, you've let me give you a call and we've, we've
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  talked on the phones. So anyway, it's just, it's a
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  great relationship. I appreciate you being here to
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  talk today about our topic 'cause this is a topic that I
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  think and I was going to ask you, you know, if you, if you
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  were to put any amount of topics into a little bundle of things
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  that can really twist your mind up when it comes to Heathenry,
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  the complexities of the soul, the soul complex.
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  Do you think that that belongs in that little bundle of just,
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  we could go forever on this thing or we could, you could
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  really get your mind twisted up like a pretzel with this.
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  Do you think that that's a Safeway to say like put a way to
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  put it? I I would absolutely say that it
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  is of the mind noodles that are in Heathenry, the ones that are
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  hardest to wrap the mind around and really get a full view on
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  because they are so different because of worldview.
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  The soul complex absolutely is one of the tops on that a deep
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  actual understanding of like luck and or log is that's one
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  that doesn't come unless you've really gotten into the weeds on
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  it. And then there are a number of
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  other ones. Some some of the more
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  ritualistic elements are simple and straightforward.
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  Others easy stuff in the Lord to find.
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  But when it gets down to things like the soul complex, you got
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  to do some digging to find the different elements.
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  And then there's not a just handy list where it's all put
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  together. So you kind of have to do your
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  homework and put all of that into a thing in and of itself.
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  And I gotta do it yourself. That's that's where the whole
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  religion with homework comes in. Mm hmm.
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  Yeah, Don't rely on just people to hand you the answers, even
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  though there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of folks
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  that feel that being that way, right?
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  Not giving somebody the answer is like, well, you know, how are
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  you really helping them? I'm like, I think you're doing a
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  better job of helping them by not just spoon feeding them
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  answers, You know, like you can point them in a direction, you
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  can maybe give them some bread crumbs to follow, But ultimately
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  it it's going to be better off for that individual to find the
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  answers themselves. Put the work in.
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  You know, it's more gratifying that way because then you're
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  like, man, all these hours, all the.
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  Greatest skill I ever learned in school, The greatest, the
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  greatest tool I ever learned in school was how to research.
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  That was that was the key thing. So it's more important than
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  teaching somebody the information is teaching them how
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  to find it. That's that's where it comes in.
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  Yeah. And you've done a good bit of
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  research on the topic at question here today, which is
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  real exploring the complexities of the soul from, you know,
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  we'll say, we'll say a heathen worldview or from a heathen, you
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  know, context or, or the, the conceptual worldviews, you know,
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  of, of heathens. I know, if we really wanted to
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  break it down and, and get into the weeds, we could say, well,
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  you know, you know, Anglo-Saxon heathenry's going to have ways
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  of looking at it that maybe are different than like say, N
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  Icelandic, Scandinavian models of heathenry.
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  But for the sake of time and the sake of trying to keep it as
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  organize as we can for this show, we'll just say a heathen
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  worldview of the complexities of the soul, the soul complex.
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  Does that sound? Yeah, that that works for me
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  because ultimately speaking, like anything within Heathenry,
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  it comes down to a tribal view. You can research how different
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  areas and different cultures looked at it, but ultimately
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  what it boils down to is what does your tribe believe?
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  How do you see it? What is your world view?
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  And so that's how I like to take all of this and let it inform my
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  worldview. But I do not allow what was how
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  they did it to dictate how I go about it.
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  Yeah, I like that way you say inform our worldview.
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  You know, that seems to really make sense to me.
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  You know, because how the Fridgar people are thinking or
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  doing things is, is probably not exactly the same as first of
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  all, it's not going to be the same as maybe individuals,
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  right, Because there's a there's a tribal view of things and then
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  there's individuals of the tribe that see things a certain way.
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  So, so there's that. But then it's not, you know,
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  that tribe not even going to be the same as as another Texas
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  tribe or any other heathen tribe in the US or the world for that
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  matter. So informed, yeah, having it
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  inform our world view I think is a great way of looking at it.
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  And so we will go into, I guess what are we even talking about
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  with, you know, the soul complex.
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  Most people that are that are seasoned heathens probably know
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  some of the terminologies that we're going to be tossing around
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  things like Hammer Huger, Filia, Hamingia or log things like
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  that. But that that that really
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  differs from somebody, you know, that has never heard these terms
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  or even understands a multifaceted self.
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  Most contemporary religions, the big ones at least, you know,
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  view a, a, a dualistic sort of by, you know, a person in the
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  soul are separate. They, you know, and it's one and
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  two. Like there's, there's this
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  duality. There's no multiple parts.
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  So where do we go from there? What what would you say is like
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  a a good jumping off point to, you know, to even start even
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  thinking in that mindset? Well, the first thing, when it
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  comes to understanding the heathen soul complex, and we do
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  have a bit of a, like almost a 5 second lag here.
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  So if we seem disjointed, that's what's going on here.
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  There's just a little bit of a, a, a lag that's going on there.
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  But when it comes to understanding the soul complex,
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  it's I, I call it a complex for a reason.
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  It is case in .1 of my good friends who's no longer with us,
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  he's already crossed over to feast with his ancestors was Rod
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  Landreth. Guy was brilliant, wonderful, go
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  the newest stuff and he likened the soul complex to a car
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  engine. And that's that all together,
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  all these different pieces that go into the engine make the
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  engine. They all have to work for the
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  engine to work. If you've got anything that's
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  out of whack, you've got anything that's not firing
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  right, it can cause issues. If you've got something that's
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  missing, the whole thing may not work at all.
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  It may, it may putter along, but it ain't going to be right and
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  it's definitely not going to be at full steam.
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  So understanding the Heathen's soul complex, understanding the
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  disparate parts that make up this conglomerate soul, it helps
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  a Heathen understand and tweak their own way of doing things to
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  to be able to better understand themselves and how that
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  interacts with the different elements of Heathery.
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  So one of the big things as far as a switch over in 'cause it's
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  a big switch over in worldview, like you said, there's this
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  duality of the body and soul element from more westernized
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  thought. The actual like old school
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  Heathen thought on the soul complex was that it's a bunch of
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  different pieces and they're all one in the same.
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  The only time we are ever ourselves, it's the only time I
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  am ever Eric, is in this life when all of my soul elements are
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  where they are. You know, if some of the soul
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  elements may be borrowed from family members, they may be
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  borrowed from the gods, they're borrowed from the land.
• 22:17
  All of these different pieces that come together to make me
• 22:20
  are only me when they are how they are.
• 22:25
  Take them apart and put them together in another
• 22:27
  configuration with different parts.
• 22:28
  You get a different car, so you get a different person.
• 22:32
  So there's that's part of why I see understanding the complexity
• 22:37
  of the soul as being so important.
• 22:42
  Gotcha. And in your, in your research,
• 22:48
  you kind of helped breakdown these various parts into
• 22:53
  relatable terms for, for folks in the modern day.
• 22:57
  So I think you broke it down to, you know, there's the mental,
• 23:00
  the spiritual, the physical, and there was another.
• 23:06
  Or log. Or log.
• 23:08
  Yeah. Which is another term that gets
• 23:11
  used in Heathenry a lot that for newcomers may be like, well,
• 23:14
  what's that, you know, and we, we can get into that.
• 23:17
  But your, you know, mental, physical, spiritual.
• 23:23
  How does that align with the terms that one might find when
• 23:27
  they do a Google search or find an article online and they see
• 23:30
  words like hammer, huger, filia, things like that.
• 23:36
  How would those terms, those Old Norse words line up with the.
• 23:40
  You broke down. Yeah.
• 23:45
  Each of those falls into a one of those categories.
• 23:48
  The hammer is a term that is typically referred to as the
• 23:53
  kind of spiritual body, the the spiritual membrane that
• 23:57
  encompasses the immaterial aspects of the soul complex,
• 24:02
  those things that are unseen which an old Anglo-Saxon word
• 24:06
  for that was the first. Some authors have referred to it
• 24:09
  as the ghost, but the hammer is the that that whole spiritual
• 24:14
  body which we most associate with things like astral
• 24:18
  projection. There are stories in the lore
• 24:21
  about practitioners who would send their hammer out into the
• 24:25
  world, and frequently it takes the same as abortion thereof,
• 24:33
  but it can also there according to some of the stories the
• 24:37
  practitioner can exert will and change that form.
• 24:40
  When you fall into something like the filia.
• 24:43
  The filgia is falls into what I categorize as the orlog side of
• 24:46
  things because it falls into that tangential things that are
• 24:51
  not necessarily part of the soul but are still intrinsic to the
• 24:54
  individual. The filgia being that guide,
• 24:58
  that spirit companion that walks alongside that individual.
• 25:03
  Usually it's tied at birth and is the conduit between that
• 25:08
  individual and their familial luck.
• 25:10
  The filia tends to be tied to a family line and follows
• 25:13
  individuals throughout their lives.
• 25:16
  Their role is to report back the deeds and actions of that
• 25:19
  individual to the well. They carry your weird into the
• 25:23
  well and then that becomes or log for future generations and
• 25:28
  then the huger. Huger is the thought side of the
• 25:32
  mind complex element. You've got the the min and the
• 25:38
  mind that pushes the mind to the mental parts.
• 25:40
  And then you've got the Hugo, which is the more rationalized
• 25:44
  active thought side of it. So it breaks down into almost
• 25:48
  hemispheric approaches when you get down into the weeds on it.
• 25:53
  Yeah, yeah. They're like little branches
• 25:55
  that kind of fringe off from the, from that main limb or that
• 25:58
  main trunk goes as it were. Yeah.
• 26:01
  You mentioned like Filia in that it's, it's in something of a
• 26:04
  familial connection. And I think you even said that
• 26:08
  it, you know, it follows the person.
• 26:10
  I think that's even a, a, a translation of the word Filia
• 26:14
  is, is follower. It doesn't quite equate to the
• 26:17
  same thing as like a, a, a spirit totem.
• 26:20
  So like, I think some people mistake that concept of like a
• 26:27
  spirit totem or a totem animal and, and the Phelia being the
• 26:30
  same thing. And it's, it's not exactly that
• 26:33
  they're you're, they can take animal form from like the lore.
• 26:38
  I think, you know, we hear like there, there are parts of the
• 26:41
  stories and some sagas where, you know, the Ophelia does take
• 26:43
  animal form. And then there's other parts
• 26:44
  that we hear of it being a, some, some somewhat directly
• 26:52
  connected with your, your, the, the DC or the, the, the feminine
• 26:58
  familial line, right? There are differing versions
• 27:05
  depending on how far you get into it.
• 27:07
  The filgia almost always takes on an animal form and is tied to
• 27:13
  an individual. Frequently you'll hear it called
• 27:15
  the fetch. An individual's fetch is that
• 27:18
  which is a companion that walks alongside them.
• 27:21
  The Hominya is seen as kind of a specialized fetch, which is the
• 27:27
  embodiment of a familial luck. Usually.
• 27:30
  The Hamidya is seen kind of almost in what we see in modern
• 27:34
  terms as a Valkyrie as far as an armor clad woman that is ready
• 27:39
  for battle and the stories that we have it represented in.
• 27:44
  She comes upon the death of one patriarch or matriarch of a clan
• 27:49
  and seeks out the next heir, the one that would take the mantle,
• 27:54
  which is not necessarily a direct bloodline.
• 27:56
  It's the next individual who would be like the leader of the
• 27:59
  clan, the next one who would just be the natural head of
• 28:03
  household, as it were. In case in point, like when my
• 28:07
  great grandmother passed away, my grandmother kind of took on
• 28:11
  that role as leader of the family.
• 28:15
  And I would say that she inherited the hamonya of the
• 28:18
  family. And it can be as a clan level
• 28:24
  and it can be there. There's an act of will element
• 28:27
  of it in that it's not necessarily something that's
• 28:31
  just automatically inherited when the hominya comes.
• 28:34
  It can be rejected. We've had stories where a would
• 28:37
  be Prince or would be next in line rejected the hominya and
• 28:43
  then it went on to the next one in the in the familial line.
• 28:47
  But there's also Kinfetch, which is a straight familial version
• 28:54
  thereof, that it is just kind of a communal entity that an
• 29:00
  individual can tie into and is kind of a keeper of the familial
• 29:05
  luck and the family story, as it were.
• 29:08
  If the filgia is the keeper of your story, then the Kinfetch
• 29:11
  would be the family story keeper if if that makes any kind of
• 29:15
  sense. Yeah, kind of almost like a
• 29:19
  guardian of the of the family, right?
• 29:22
  Not just the individual of the family, but the family as a
• 29:25
  whole. Right at that point, the, the
• 29:32
  fetch or Filgate would be kind of an emissary of the kin fetch
• 29:36
  as it were. But the Hamonya is something
• 29:39
  that is completely separate. The Kinfetch has been known to
• 29:42
  take either humanoid form or animal form.
• 29:45
  The Filia almost always takes animal form.
• 29:48
  The Hamenya always seemingly takes that almost Valkyrie like
• 29:52
  warrior woman in the, in the stuff that I found in the, in
• 29:55
  the research that I've done over the years.
• 29:57
  And then all of that kind of boils together in that they are
• 30:01
  the gatekeepers to the family luck.
• 30:04
  And you can offend your Filia. You can drive it away and in so
• 30:10
  doing, and that's you do that through deeds, through damaging
• 30:17
  the gefrain of the family, the reputation of the family.
• 30:20
  Bringing bad weird into the well can cause that filgia to
• 30:25
  distance itself from you and catch you off from that family
• 30:28
  line. And that's where you end up
• 30:29
  finding these people that just seem to have no luck and cannot
• 30:32
  seem to tap into the family luck because they've been cut off, as
• 30:35
  it were. So yeah, it's a whole thing.
• 30:39
  Yeah, yeah. And that does help, like you
• 30:42
  say, inform our our world views on things because so much of
• 30:47
  what we might see going on in our lives and the lives of those
• 30:52
  around us only, you know, especially for new folks coming
• 30:56
  into Heathenry, they may have come in with a like a
• 31:00
  preconceived notion of just the unseen realms of things, you
• 31:04
  know, either from a previous religion or from an upbringing
• 31:08
  or whatever. So learning about all of these
• 31:11
  things is, is definitely helping inform them of, of how to
• 31:15
  perceive the world around them in things that are not seen with
• 31:19
  our naked eye, with our physical eye.
• 31:22
  You know, like you said, you know, when, when you know
• 31:26
  somebody's luck is, is bad, right?
• 31:29
  They, they, they just, they just can't seem to get out of a bad
• 31:32
  situation no matter what. You know, our informed worldview
• 31:36
  through things like this could could be like, well, we see that
• 31:40
  as heathens. We see that as their, their, you
• 31:44
  know, their luck has left their, their Armenia's is abandoned
• 31:48
  them, their, their, their fetch, their Filia is, is as has has
• 31:52
  left them, you know, and we, it also helps inform us of what
• 32:03
  happens after this shell. This, I guess the hammer would
• 32:08
  be the the term that we would use for our shape, right,
• 32:13
  Because it can, it can include the like you say, the the the
• 32:17
  part of the self that can be shape shifted or changed.
• 32:21
  But are it would the hammer, would the hammer include the
• 32:24
  physical body? Would would the would that,
• 32:28
  would that fall into that physical category, do you think
• 32:31
  or from what you know? We're cracking up.
• 32:35
  I'm not catching all of that. OK, so the Hummer, the part of
• 32:40
  the body, the part of the soul, I guess the part of the soul
• 32:42
  complex which is the Hummer, OK, is.
• 32:48
  That Hummer goes into the spiritual side of things because
• 32:50
  it's part of the immaterial, the physical.
• 32:53
  The only real thing that I put into the physical is the lich,
• 32:57
  which is the body, the physical body.
• 33:01
  And then there is a tie between the physical body and the
• 33:07
  spiritual body, which is the Hummer, which is frequently seen
• 33:11
  as a thread that is tied between the two.
• 33:14
  And that's why when the Hummer leaves the body to go out and
• 33:18
  walk or is projected out, the body is left in animated.
• 33:23
  It is left in a kind of static coma type status stasis because
• 33:30
  that animated force that is the hammer has exited and the
• 33:33
  consciousness travels with that. And then the shape shifting
• 33:38
  element of that is that with exertion of the will, which is
• 33:41
  another part of the mental side of the soul complex, that
• 33:49
  exertion of will with a practiced individual who knows
• 33:52
  their stuff, can influence the shape that the hammer takes on
• 33:56
  when it goes walking. It's a very dangerous thing to
• 33:59
  do though, because any kind of damage or danger that befalls
• 34:03
  the hammer, well, it's away from the lich, has a direct impact on
• 34:07
  the lich, on the on the living body.
• 34:10
  When it returns, like when the hammer returns to the lich.
• 34:16
  Yeah, right. Yeah, and if it's cut off then
• 34:21
  the lich never wakes up kind of thing.
• 34:24
  Yeah, yeah, you're like in a coma, for lack of a better term.
• 34:29
  Yeah. That's the way I would see it.
• 34:31
  You know, when the body is not like there's there's brain
• 34:35
  activity, like the heart is beating, there's brain activity,
• 34:38
  but there's no animation. The hammer has left the fetch or
• 34:43
  the lich. Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 34:45
  Yeah. The driver's not in the car
• 34:46
  anymore. That's.
• 34:49
  A good, good way of putting it, you know, and that, and that
• 34:52
  really touches on things that don't really get talked about
• 34:57
  in, like I say, other contemporary religions.
• 34:59
  So having all of this inform the worldview when we're, when we're
• 35:02
  moving into a heathen lifestyle or, or heathen way of thinking
• 35:08
  really helps. So it also I think informs
• 35:13
  people on what happens after, like after death.
• 35:17
  And when I say death, I mean the the, the, the lich is inanimate
• 35:23
  and there is no life returning to that form.
• 35:26
  The the the what parts of the soul have first of all
• 35:31
  extinguished entirely, and what parts of the soul continue to
• 35:35
  live on in what ways? In my personal view, the way
• 35:40
  that I've seen it and the way that I've done the research, I
• 35:42
  don't know that any actually extinguish entirely.
• 35:45
  It seems like the different soul complex.
• 35:48
  It's kind of like the law of conservation of energy.
• 35:50
  Law of conservation of matter seems to continue in this
• 35:53
  spiritual realm. Those elements that are no
• 35:55
  longer connected to the Lish then break up and return to
• 35:59
  their respective ecosystems. There are things like the world
• 36:03
  or the Otter that are received from the gods.
• 36:07
  The that breath of life, or like with the term woe, it's the
• 36:12
  divine madness, that spark of creativity, that thing that sets
• 36:16
  us apart from the other Pharah or the the other Vaitier.
• 36:20
  There's a Pharah soul element that is seen as that part of us
• 36:25
  that is the Styx of Ashkenmbla. If you look at the story of
• 36:31
  olden creating ask and emblem, you got old and older Lord that
• 36:37
  breathe life, give form and shape and mentality to mankind.
• 36:43
  What takes place in sacred time? Sacred space is instantaneous
• 36:46
  for the gods, but it plays out differently in profane time.
• 36:49
  In profane space, which is where we exist, we would see that take
• 36:52
  place over an extended period of time, and we would see that in
• 36:57
  the form of evolution, the active act of creation and
• 37:01
  shaping and twisting that the gods have done would manifest
• 37:05
  itself. We would perceive that as
• 37:06
  evolution over generational time.
• 37:08
  So the Farrah element is that sole element that is tied to the
• 37:14
  land. That's the Vaitir spirit that we
• 37:16
  came from, wherein the gods laid over all of these other
• 37:20
  elements. And then when we die, those
• 37:22
  things all kind of go back to where they were.
• 37:25
  The Pharaoh spirit will return to the Vaitir.
• 37:27
  That's the part that would linger on and perhaps become
• 37:30
  Lambda tier or get tied to a specific area.
• 37:34
  You'll find a lot of references in some of the family lines
• 37:38
  about like great grandfathers and stuff that have taken up
• 37:42
  denizen in a certain section of land where their soul continues
• 37:46
  to reside. Well, that's that part of the
• 37:47
  soul that remains there. And you've also got the lich,
• 37:49
  which is again part of the soul because it's all, it's all
• 37:53
  interconnected. It's not separate.
• 37:55
  It's all just one jumbled thing that returns the ecosystem of
• 37:59
  midgut that goes back into the land, into the the physical
• 38:02
  material plane, and then the mental elements would break up
• 38:07
  and dissipate into respective areas.
• 38:10
  If there's anything that could be said to dissipate, 1 might
• 38:13
  think that it might be the huger and moon, which are of course
• 38:18
  correlate to Huguen and Moon and for obvious reasons.
• 38:21
  But that's active thought and memory aspects of the soul.
• 38:25
  But there are references therein to like there's a term orthonck,
• 38:30
  which is basically the orthot or the familial familial memory
• 38:38
  that that ancestral memory that we can tap into where it seems
• 38:42
  like we almost have a tie to ancestral memories and thoughts
• 38:47
  and the way to do things. And that can be accessed through
• 38:51
  altered states of consciousness and through deep meditation
• 38:54
  aspects like that. That has to come from somewhere,
• 38:57
  and so more than likely those sole elements return to that
• 39:02
  kind of a well of energy that's tied to the familial line, who
• 39:05
  is kept by the filgia, the Ha Menya, the kinfech that keep all
• 39:10
  of those things and help to parse them out.
• 39:13
  That also goes into the element of rebirth because there is a
• 39:18
  reincarnation belief within Heathenry.
• 39:19
  It's limited, but there is one because they thought of naming a
• 39:24
  child after an ancestor was thought to bring an element of
• 39:27
  that ancestor's soul into that person.
• 39:30
  Some would say that, you know, it's like, Oh well, we've named
• 39:33
  him after great granddad, so he's great granddad reborn.
• 39:35
  It's like, no, that's not really what it was.
• 39:38
  You gave them the name in hopes that a a part of that soul
• 39:41
  element would come to him from great grandfather.
• 39:44
  It's inviting an element of great grandfather's soul complex
• 39:47
  into this body in hopes that the better parts would be there,
• 39:53
  that that this individual would gain the strength and vitality
• 39:58
  that this ancestor had. And thus they are reborn in
• 40:02
  future generations through that. And genetics carries that out.
• 40:07
  We see that in from a scientific standpoint of traits and, you
• 40:12
  know, characteristics that are carried on in future
• 40:15
  generations, again tying to that whole ancestral conglomerate
• 40:20
  thought approach. Yeah, no, no, you said.
• 40:25
  HRLS Davidson Rd. to hell HRLS Davidson Excellent source for
• 40:31
  post mortem traditions and thought processes regarding
• 40:35
  either. Yeah, yeah.
• 40:38
  As a matter of fact, I want to say it was from something I read
• 40:42
  from HRLS Davidson or maybe another source, but I, I want to
• 40:47
  say it was, was, was, was, was Davidson talking about the, the,
• 40:53
  the burial mounds, right? And why it was so important and
• 40:56
  why it was so critical in, in the north dramatics.
• 41:02
  People's reasoning to keep the families remains their, their,
• 41:09
  their bodies buried nearby is because there was this belief
• 41:14
  and, and there was this understanding that if they were
• 41:16
  on those lands and they could continue to provide sort of a, a
• 41:22
  guardian, you know, they, they could oversee the property, the
• 41:25
  homestead as it were, right? They could, they could be there
• 41:29
  beyond death and, and they had a home, they had somewhere that
• 41:32
  they could go and, and, and the descendants, the living could
• 41:35
  connect with them better through whether it was Utteseta, if that
• 41:39
  was a thing that they did. But they were there on the land.
• 41:41
  And so dying away from home, whether it was at sea or on the
• 41:46
  battlefield and some foreign land or whatever, you know it
• 41:49
  was, it was not really by the common, by the by, by the common
• 41:53
  people at least like it wasn't widely wanted.
• 41:55
  They didn't want to die away from home.
• 41:58
  They wanted to be on their land so to be buried on those old
• 42:01
  lands. So that way their remains,
• 42:04
  everything about them, could continue to be close with the
• 42:09
  family and they could continue to be like overseers.
• 42:13
  The mound itself serves as the gateway to the halls of the
• 42:16
  ancestors. The metaphor of sitting at feast
• 42:20
  with the ancestors and death, that is that soul element, the
• 42:24
  familial element of the soul returning and being a part of
• 42:28
  that family. Soul soup, for lack of a better
• 42:31
  term. And the mound is the gateway to
• 42:35
  it. It's also the tether.
• 42:36
  So the entire tradition of Utheseta as far as when it came
• 42:40
  to like kings that would go and sit on the burial mounds of
• 42:44
  previous kings was in hopes to commune with that spirit and
• 42:48
  gain wisdom and insight therefrom.
• 42:51
  It's you go and knock on the door and see if anybody's home
• 42:55
  and hope that they answered. And we see that carried out into
• 42:59
  some of the sagas too because we've had reference to some of
• 43:02
  the Yolton that were mound sitting.
• 43:05
  So this was a thought process that carried across that.
• 43:08
  The mound was kind of a gateway access point to the other side,
• 43:13
  the doorway to the underworld, as it were, and the hall of the
• 43:19
  ancestors wherein 1 hopes to go and sit.
• 43:21
  Those soul elements would go into that.
• 43:24
  There is a physical proximity to it.
• 43:26
  When you're dealing with old, old lands where ancestors and
• 43:29
  family members are all buried in the same land, you are literally
• 43:33
  breaking that permeable membrane of the Earth's soil, going into
• 43:37
  the underworld and communing there.
• 43:43
  Warriors that died in battle didn't have access to that.
• 43:46
  They didn't get to go through the mound and enter into the
• 43:51
  ancestral hall. So the hall of the slain, those
• 43:56
  that fell in battle, that was the warrior's grave.
• 44:00
  That was the gateway to Valhalla.
• 44:03
  That was kind of the differential there.
• 44:05
  Valhalla came up as a hall for those that died away from those
• 44:09
  old lands that didn't have that straight soul connection there.
• 44:14
  Now, ultimately speaking, there's differing viewpoints,
• 44:17
  there's differing interpretations thereof as far
• 44:20
  as access points and things like that goes.
• 44:23
  But from a, from breaking down the terminology and looking at
• 44:27
  the traditions in view of like mound culture, cause Road to
• 44:32
  Hell does an excellent job of breaking down the progression of
• 44:36
  Germanic, North Icelandic burial processes 'cause it was there's
• 44:41
  inhumation, cremation and the mound culture, which is a form
• 44:46
  of inhumation, which is the burial process.
• 44:49
  And so there was a period in time where they were buried in
• 44:53
  vertical graves standing up or in a crouching position.
• 44:57
  There was a period of time where they were cremated and then
• 45:00
  buried. There is some reference to
• 45:03
  cremation that took place with ashes scattered or rejoined with
• 45:08
  the land that we can't really find physical remnants of
• 45:10
  because of the very nature of that kind of, you know,
• 45:14
  posthumous practice. There's nothing left behind to
• 45:17
  review. But mound culture gives us a
• 45:20
  great deal of information. And if you look at mound
• 45:23
  practices, the mound was there's the mound itself is built around
• 45:27
  traditionally a compartment, a small building that the body was
• 45:33
  carried into. And the body was frequently
• 45:35
  carried in through the side of this little how and it was
• 45:40
  closed up there and everybody exited through the door.
• 45:44
  The idea was that if any of that animating force remained with
• 45:49
  the body, then that's how a drauger would be made.
• 45:54
  And the drauger are just the lich that has remnants of the
• 45:59
  animating force, that life force that gives the the driving spark
• 46:06
  to the body but lacks the other soul elements that made the
• 46:09
  individual who they were. You might have some residual
• 46:12
  huger and moon elements that would be residual within the
• 46:17
  brain, those things that would correlate between the unseen
• 46:21
  mind and thought aspects that are mapped into what we
• 46:24
  understand today as the neurons within the brain and the
• 46:28
  mapping. So those things would remain,
• 46:31
  but they would be gross functions.
• 46:32
  They would be greater, just like obtuse elements of the
• 46:38
  personality, which I think is how we get a certain amount of
• 46:41
  the, like, Drauger come back and they're seen as, you know, super
• 46:44
  strong and 'cause they don't have the mental stopgaps to keep
• 46:48
  them from using everything they've got.
• 46:52
  But also they're a shade of themselves.
• 46:57
  And usually they're the more base functions, not the more
• 47:01
  ornate thoughts, abstract thoughts, things like that.
• 47:03
  It's the more base functions. And there's frequently an
• 47:06
  aggressive element to that. So they would bring them in to
• 47:09
  the side, exit through the front in hopes that if the Drauger did
• 47:12
  indeed wake, it would be disoriented and not come through
• 47:16
  the door, 'cause it's gonna go try to go the way that it came
• 47:18
  in, but there's a wall there. And then they would bury that.
• 47:22
  Yeah, yeah, it makes me think of like one, like there there's
• 47:26
  like, I'm glad you mentioned the drogger thing because it goes
• 47:29
  into like, again, we're talking about complexities of the soul
• 47:32
  and what happens to us, what part of us, what happens to us
• 47:37
  when we die. And like the whole drogger thing
• 47:40
  like that, that that's how you get a drogger.
• 47:42
  You know, like there there's, there's things that can happen
• 47:44
  that's you want a drogger, Well, that's how you get a drogger.
• 47:46
  And it makes me think of I think it's that the Helgevita Hun Ding
• 47:52
  Gisbana Helgi hung Dingsbana something like it's, it's it's
• 47:58
  in the Poetic Ed, I think. But he was, he goes to Valhalla,
• 48:02
  right? And he's kind of like Odin's
• 48:04
  like right hand guy, like Odin's like take care of stuff while
• 48:07
  I'm gone. And he ends up like making his
• 48:08
  enemy like clean the horse stalls or muck the pig stalls or
• 48:11
  do all this like really dishonorable, like mundane
• 48:15
  crappy stuff. But he's described as as being
• 48:18
  like covered in blood or water, just looking really rough and,
• 48:22
  and having all of this just like dastardly looks about him.
• 48:26
  And there was, I think that's a description of one sort at least
• 48:32
  in the like one of the, one of the one of the pieces of lore
• 48:35
  that that we can say was he was, he was probably a drowger that.
• 48:41
  Would not be much of A stretch. Yeah, but I was wondering too,
• 48:47
  like you were, we were talking, I think it was just a little
• 48:51
  while ago there there was something that came up, Oh,
• 48:56
  naming, right. Talking about, you know,
• 48:59
  honoring past family members and, and and giving them their
• 49:02
  name as sort of like a way of, of bringing that family member,
• 49:07
  keeping that family member live on.
• 49:09
  You know, I'm sure like there's, there's also an active way of of
• 49:14
  like the opposite of that, you know, like, well, we don't want
• 49:18
  that part of the family line to continue and to put that like to
• 49:23
  lock that thing away, you know? Name would be stricken from the
• 49:27
  records. Yeah, you know, like, Oh well,
• 49:29
  we don't want to talk about Granddad 'cause he was not that
• 49:32
  great of a person or something, you know, like that name.
• 49:34
  Would be cursed. Yeah, I've had people ask about
• 49:37
  that too. When it comes to 'cause we, we
• 49:39
  talk about, you know, and this, this a little bit goes hand in
• 49:42
  hand with the soul complex where we talked, you know, he didn't
• 49:44
  talk a lot of the time about ancestor veneration, you know,
• 49:47
  and inevitably one of the things that come up for at least for me
• 49:50
  has been, well, does that mean all the ancestors?
• 49:53
  And I'm like, no, you know, not everybody that you know,
• 49:57
  nowadays is a good person and is worth mentioning.
• 49:59
  And not all of our ancestors have been great people and and
• 50:03
  are necessarily worth, you know, having holding in high esteem.
• 50:10
  There's a yes and no to that. And this is something I do get
• 50:14
  into with people when it comes to ancestral veneration.
• 50:16
  It's like, yes, of course there are individuals whose specific
• 50:19
  deeds may not have brought good weird into the well.
• 50:24
  It may not have fed. It may have actually done damage
• 50:27
  to the family luck or the gift rain of the family.
• 50:31
  They're standing. But but that doesn't omit them
• 50:36
  from veneration entirely, because there is something that
• 50:42
  is commendable and to which we owe them.
• 50:47
  Because if they are Direct Line, then the choices they made, good
• 50:52
  or bad, led to the next generation being there.
• 50:57
  That or log that the next generation inherited, neither
• 51:00
  made better or worse by their own actions and deeds, was a
• 51:04
  direct gift from that previous generation.
• 51:07
  They may have been a horse thief and they may have been a vile
• 51:10
  individual. We may not like everything they
• 51:13
  did, but they carried the torch for a little bit and we got to
• 51:17
  appreciate the fact that they carried the torch because if
• 51:19
  they didn't pass it off, we wouldn't be here.
• 51:22
  So that's one of the things that I really kind of hone into with
• 51:25
  ancestral veneration is you don't necessarily have to like
• 51:27
  everything they did, but we do have to appreciate that if they
• 51:31
  didn't carry the torch for their part of the relay, we wouldn't
• 51:34
  be here. Like if, if an ancestor hadn't
• 51:38
  decided to come to America where they when they did, then my
• 51:44
  grandfather probably wouldn't have met my grandmother, and
• 51:47
  then my grandmother and grandfather wouldn't have had my
• 51:49
  dad. And if they didn't have my dad,
• 51:51
  then I wouldn't be here. Every deed, every action that
• 51:54
  comes before is a direct causal effect on the lifespan of the
• 51:59
  individual. Now that is or log.
• 52:02
  Everything that comes before is what we have inherited.
• 52:05
  Is it always the best in the world?
• 52:07
  No. Is it always the greatest in the
• 52:09
  world? No.
• 52:11
  But we have it. You have an or log you have
• 52:16
  inherited and it may not be the shiniest thing in the world, but
• 52:20
  you know, if you got a hand me down car from dad at the age of
• 52:22
  16 and it's a beater and it's barely kept together, but your
• 52:26
  family can't afford to get you a new car.
• 52:28
  You can't afford to go out and get a new thing.
• 52:30
  This thing may be a beater that you know, you've got to knock it
• 52:34
  just the right way for the thing to start.
• 52:38
  It's still a car. You still have a car, and you
• 52:41
  can be ungrateful and you can say meh, blah, blah, blah, blah,
• 52:45
  but then you're walking. Yeah.
• 52:49
  You can't appreciate the fact that you have a clunker car.
• 52:53
  It may not be the the, It may not be a Ferrari.
• 52:55
  It may not be a Mustang, but you have a car.
• 52:58
  Yeah. So we may not have inherited the
• 53:01
  greatest Orlog in the world, but we got an Orlog.
• 53:05
  And to that point, and I've taken what I've learned from or
• 53:08
  log and, and I've learned myself.
• 53:10
  I, I, I took point from some of the things that I've heard from
• 53:13
  you over the past. Is that sure?
• 53:16
  OK, so you got this clunker, right?
• 53:17
  You got this beater, you got this thing that really ain't all
• 53:20
  pretty and shiny, but it's what you inherited, right?
• 53:24
  So that's, or log then what you do, what you pour in, what you
• 53:28
  add to it, the work you do the to, to get new tires, to Polish
• 53:32
  it up, to get a new engine to do all that.
• 53:35
  It, it, it changes that the, the layer is now it's, it's
• 53:39
  different now. Like there's, there's a base
• 53:41
  layer that has improved you, you've kind of cleaned out the
• 53:44
  waters a little bit. I, I, I think you've used the
• 53:47
  term like if it's all muddy and it's all sediment, if you keep
• 53:50
  stirring it up, it's going to stay dirty.
• 53:51
  Well, the clearer the water you add, the more good you add to
• 53:54
  the well. Eventually you're going to have
• 53:56
  all of this good that has accumulated and all that muck is
• 53:59
  going to settle and it's going to be so far at the autumn that
• 54:03
  you now you may have, you started with a clunker, you may
• 54:06
  have started with that and beat up oily piece of junk.
• 54:08
  But you've added good to it, you've worked on it, you've
• 54:13
  improved it, and now you've got a or, you know, a reliable mode
• 54:17
  of transportation, maybe even a nice one, you know?
• 54:21
  You nail, you nail the relationship between weird and
• 54:24
  or log specifically, that's where this metaphor was going
• 54:27
  and you just followed straight with it.
• 54:28
  And I love it 'cause that's, that's where I'm going.
• 54:32
  You inherit this thing. This is the oil log that you
• 54:34
  get. Every action you take is your
• 54:39
  weird. It's your action, it's what you
• 54:41
  are doing. It's the active force of the
• 54:43
  now. And everything that you do to
• 54:46
  that car is reflected in that car now.
• 54:49
  It becomes part of that car. The car is still the OR log.
• 54:52
  The car is still that inheritable thing, but every
• 54:55
  tweak of the wrench, every coat of paint, every hour spent
• 54:59
  buffing, every part swapped out is your active actions of
• 55:03
  bettering that which you have inherited in the hopes that you
• 55:08
  can then pass that one on to your descendant and it becomes
• 55:12
  their or log. It was your weird while you were
• 55:15
  working on it, but now it's their OR log because they have
• 55:17
  inherited this car. The Well of weird, of course, is
• 55:21
  the imagery in the metaphor that's utilized within the lore.
• 55:24
  The idea being that Orlog is that first layer, that primal
• 55:29
  layer upon which everything else is built.
• 55:31
  The actions and deeds of the world drip down as do from
• 55:35
  Idrisil, and the Norns are the tenders of the well they're
• 55:41
  mixing and they are working with.
• 55:49
  Froze up for a second. There's a bit of a lag.
• 55:52
  Our deeds and actions feed into the well, are recorded into the
• 55:56
  well to become part of that water, and then that water is
• 55:59
  used to feed the tree. Our deeds and actions maintain
• 56:02
  reality, feed that world tree, and then the cycle continues.
• 56:06
  It is a flow that follows the whole water cycle thing of into
• 56:12
  the well, out through the trees and the branches and then back
• 56:15
  down it, and it's a gathering of all those deeds and actions.
• 56:19
  The Norns, again, that's another thing that I've done since I did
• 56:22
  my initial research, is an understanding that the Norns
• 56:25
  themselves, what we see UR, Ferdande and Schuld recorded in
• 56:29
  the lore. I actually see the Norns like
• 56:31
  those titles as titles, not as individual goddesses.
• 56:35
  The idea being that there seem to be as many Norns as there are
• 56:39
  different races and they seem to be tied to clan level or
• 56:44
  familial level. My personal belief is that
• 56:47
  Urfande in school, the Norns are titles that are taken on by
• 56:52
  decier spirits and their job is the keeping of an integrating of
• 56:58
  our deeds and actions in the Well of Weird and making sure
• 57:02
  that that they're they're the keepers of the well of weird.
• 57:06
  They are the ones that actively maintain and make sure that that
• 57:10
  is feeding back into acresil, which keeps the family line
• 57:13
  alive. It keeps us feeding back into
• 57:16
  the world. It keeps all of those energies
• 57:18
  in constant flow. And so that's that's a that it's
• 57:24
  like a soul. It's a familial soul element
• 57:28
  that has taken on an Uber specialized role within that
• 57:32
  familial soul complex. Yeah, I concur.
• 57:36
  I concur with that 100%. I, I, I think there's a lot of
• 57:39
  other folks that have found similar things and that the Norn
• 57:44
  or nor near like again there as many of them.
• 57:46
  It ain't just the three that you hear that are named in the
• 57:50
  Valuspa or wherever you know, like I say, those are could just
• 57:54
  be titles representing past, present, future, right.
• 57:58
  What was, what is happening? What shall happen?
• 58:03
  That, that concept, you know, and I like how you said the,
• 58:06
  the, the, the, the cyclical, you said something like how, how,
• 58:11
  how the, you know, obviously the dew dripping off of the limbs of
• 58:14
  Igdracil are, are, are dripping. And then the Norns are, are the
• 58:17
  ones tending to that well, but it's cyclical.
• 58:20
  You know, there's, there's all of this thing that's happening.
• 58:23
  You know, it reflects in nature, right?
• 58:25
  So it again, it, it, it calls back to when we as beings, the
• 58:31
  various complex parts of ourselves, when they dissipate,
• 58:35
  when they go to their various places, we are really never
• 58:38
  truly gone. It's just like in nature when a
• 58:41
  tree falls, the tree in that form has felt, has fallen, but
• 58:47
  the tree itself is it, it becomes part of everything else.
• 58:51
  The mycelium network carries things to feed other trees.
• 58:54
  There's decomposition that feeds the earth.
• 58:57
  There's life that is brought back in other form.
• 59:01
  And same same with us. There's there's really no
• 59:04
  extinguishing us as we are the the complex beings that we are
• 59:11
  it it just gets son of delegated shifted dissipated in in various
• 59:14
  ways. Right.
• 59:16
  We stopped being who we are in the here and now because that
• 59:20
  specific mix is done, that specific mix is dissipated, The
• 59:24
  parts are broken up. Voltron is no longer the robot.
• 59:28
  The Black Lion's gone over here. The Red Lion's gone over there.
• 59:30
  We are then the parts, we're no longer that synergistic.
• 59:35
  The parts, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
• 59:38
  That part is done. So that is what life for us on
• 59:42
  Midgard is. That is that blip in time
• 59:46
  wherein all of these parts come together to make us in the here
• 59:49
  and now. And this is the only life we get
• 59:53
  like this, which is why you get into life affirming versus life
• 59:58
  denying a lot of westernized religions.
• 1:00:02
  Are life or world denying indicating that the true life is
• 1:00:08
  in the afterlife, that the time on the material plane is
• 1:00:12
  preparation for eternal life in the afterlife?
• 1:00:16
  Heathenry was very much different, where the polar
• 1:00:18
  opposite were life affirming, world affirming.
• 1:00:20
  This is the life, this is the existence, this is the only time
• 1:00:25
  all of these bits and pieces are together to make you, you will,
• 1:00:30
  your bits and pieces survive on. Sure.
• 1:00:33
  You know when, When the tree breaks down and is broken up
• 1:00:36
  into the earth, it becomes the plants, it becomes the flowers,
• 1:00:38
  it becomes the soil, it, you know, feeds the air, It is
• 1:00:42
  recycled in that cyclical continuation of life.
• 1:00:47
  Same thing with the soul elements.
• 1:00:48
  The soul elements break apart and continue in their specific
• 1:00:52
  ecosystems. Within that cycle.
• 1:00:53
  They get farmed out somewhere else.
• 1:00:55
  A lot of times when I find people talk about past life
• 1:00:58
  regression, I don't fully jive with the modern westernized
• 1:01:03
  concept of past life regression because somebody will come along
• 1:01:06
  and be like, well, I was a, a warrior in ancient China and I
• 1:01:10
  was, you know, like Xiaoyun or something like that.
• 1:01:12
  I'm like, no, you might share that soul element.
• 1:01:16
  There may be an element of your soul that comes from that
• 1:01:19
  because that's just what was spun out into the blender that
• 1:01:23
  made you, which very much means that yes, after a fashion, it's
• 1:01:28
  a past life, but it's not like it's a past life of your entire
• 1:01:32
  being. It's a it's a memory, an echo
• 1:01:36
  that's carried along with that specific soul element.
• 1:01:39
  It's like the old, well, the old folk tale of, you know, cut off
• 1:01:44
  a hand and you get a new hand, but all of a sudden this hand
• 1:01:46
  knows how to play piano. It's that whole residual memory
• 1:01:51
  element of things. So a lot of times when I find
• 1:01:54
  people talking about past life regression with their actually
• 1:01:57
  experiencing from the way I see things, caveat, people don't
• 1:02:01
  come at me. Everybody has their own view and
• 1:02:04
  their own experience. But my personal interpretation
• 1:02:07
  of that is that they've tapped into an echo from a certain soul
• 1:02:12
  element and that they are replaying that echo and
• 1:02:15
  experiencing that echo within their current consciousness.
• 1:02:18
  And that is integrated therein because it is a part of that
• 1:02:24
  soul echo, because it may be something that that soul element
• 1:02:28
  went through. It is or log because it does
• 1:02:33
  inform who you are and what you are.
• 1:02:36
  The different soul elements all bring their bits and pieces
• 1:02:39
  together. We know about the the really
• 1:02:42
  palpable or log, which is, you know, our ancestors, what came
• 1:02:46
  before, the causality that leads to us here and now.
• 1:02:49
  We are also with some of our parts, so those differing soul
• 1:02:52
  elements all play in, which is how you get the different
• 1:02:57
  personalities, the different individualities within a family
• 1:03:00
  line. And we're not all just carbon
• 1:03:02
  copies of previous generations. That's where you get the new.
• 1:03:05
  That's how you get these family lines integrated.
• 1:03:07
  Plus, every time you blend family lines, you're blending
• 1:03:11
  those OR logs together. You're inheriting not only the
• 1:03:14
  OR log from your father's line, but also from your mother's
• 1:03:17
  line. And, and can I also say that
• 1:03:22
  there is a blend with regards to non bloodline.
• 1:03:31
  So like fostering or adoption or things like that.
• 1:03:36
  There's, it's like being grafted into the tree, as it were.
• 1:03:40
  A lot of people, like a lot of people don't give credit.
• 1:03:42
  I don't think heathens, especially like it's not, it's
• 1:03:44
  not talked enough about this, this idea of, of, of fostering
• 1:03:48
  adoption, any of those types of things because they think that,
• 1:03:54
  well, I got to know who my blood ancestors are my, where, where I
• 1:03:57
  can trace my DNA back to. It's like man who raised you,
• 1:04:01
  who was your family, who looked after you, who taught you
• 1:04:03
  everything they, they knew and gave you those life skills or,
• 1:04:08
  or, you know, brought you up in, in that way or whatever.
• 1:04:11
  Like that's your family, you know?
• 1:04:13
  You get dual or locked through this process.
• 1:04:16
  Fostering was a huge thing in Old Norse and Germanic practice.
• 1:04:22
  There were is so much so that it was seen as an honor to raise
• 1:04:26
  another individual's child in your home because you are
• 1:04:29
  grafting the orlogs. You absolutely are.
• 1:04:31
  You cannot deny the fact that the child inherited the orlog
• 1:04:34
  from the birth parents. They inherited the orlog that
• 1:04:38
  they were born with that fed and shaped their lives and will
• 1:04:43
  continue to feed and shape their lives throughout their lives.
• 1:04:46
  But the act of fostering or adoption grafts them into a new
• 1:04:50
  OR log line. You are actively raised and
• 1:04:54
  taught by a family, you are integrated into their hearth,
• 1:04:58
  into their CIB and you are very much brought in spiritually into
• 1:05:04
  their familial line in the OR log.
• 1:05:06
  So everything that they teach you was taught to them, was
• 1:05:09
  taught to their predecessors and so on and so forth.
• 1:05:12
  You are inheriting all of the benefits of their or log
• 1:05:16
  everything that came before the very moment they started raising
• 1:05:19
  you or teaching you. You're inheriting that.
• 1:05:22
  Same thing with apprenticeships because when you took on an
• 1:05:25
  apprenticeship from a master, you were grafted into their line
• 1:05:29
  because they are teaching you a craft, they are honing that
• 1:05:32
  thing into you. Now it's very specialized in
• 1:05:34
  this case versus fostering or adoption, which is at a familial
• 1:05:38
  level where they're bringing you and you're really incorporating
• 1:05:40
  in that. But there are very specified
• 1:05:43
  tangents that you can go on to where it's like, hey, I'm
• 1:05:46
  studying under this master and he's imparting to me everything
• 1:05:49
  that he's ever learned about blacksmithing and sword
• 1:05:51
  crafting. And I am inheriting generations
• 1:05:54
  worth of knowledge through this individual.
• 1:05:58
  And I now get to add my skills and my story to this.
• 1:06:03
  So you get written into a chapter, you're forever part of
• 1:06:05
  that book now, and you've inherited all of the back story
• 1:06:09
  that came before it because you are now tied to that.
• 1:06:12
  And it creates an anchor point and weird that gets recorded
• 1:06:15
  into or log and cemented. Yes, beautiful tapestry.
• 1:06:22
  You know that, that if you really think back and, or just
• 1:06:26
  sit back and kind of envision everything that happened, you
• 1:06:29
  know, all of the various threads that had to be woven.
• 1:06:34
  Just generationally speaking. You know, if you, if you want to
• 1:06:37
  really narrow it down to the family line, think of all of
• 1:06:42
  the, the things that had to happen, all the threads that had
• 1:06:44
  to be interwoven in that, in that tapestry to make again,
• 1:06:50
  this experience, what we're what we're experiencing now
• 1:06:55
  individually and collectively with others.
• 1:06:57
  Be what it is, you know, and it is, it's life affirming, man.
• 1:07:03
  It's, it makes me want to be the best that I can be.
• 1:07:09
  Because again, it's this is, this is I get this one chance.
• 1:07:13
  You know, what's next? Who gets what's who, who gets
• 1:07:18
  what's after this? Well, it's, it's the people who
• 1:07:20
  I'm interacting with. It's the, it's the lives that I
• 1:07:24
  share with, you know, with people.
• 1:07:27
  It's, it's the, it's all of that.
• 1:07:30
  And, and, you know, people that maybe just don't get it, they,
• 1:07:33
  you know, they think, wow, it's such a, it's such a prideful
• 1:07:36
  life that you live, you know, your reputation this and that.
• 1:07:39
  I'm like, yeah, but it goes so deep.
• 1:07:40
  It goes so much deeper. It's not just what we think of
• 1:07:43
  ourselves. It's for the next line.
• 1:07:47
  It's for the next happening of things.
• 1:07:49
  This isn't, this isn't for my kicks and giggles, you know,
• 1:07:54
  like it's, it's doing the best we can with what we have and and
• 1:07:57
  it for the next line for the next episode.
• 1:08:01
  And there is a lot of people that like don't have kids that
• 1:08:04
  aren't necessarily going to be passing on their specific
• 1:08:06
  generation myself. You know.
• 1:08:10
  We're still passing things on, we're still our deeds and
• 1:08:14
  actions still feed the tribe. They still feed the clan like I
• 1:08:18
  Everything that I do is a representative of the Shervins,
• 1:08:22
  builds upon the legacy of the servants, and will be part of
• 1:08:25
  that story that's inherited in future generations.
• 1:08:28
  The closer to me familial someone is, the more of it they
• 1:08:31
  inherit. But it all goes into that family
• 1:08:33
  line aspect. Similarly speaking, when you are
• 1:08:38
  part of a tribe, you are blending weird.
• 1:08:40
  You are mixing. It's the same concept as
• 1:08:43
  adoption and fostering. You are meshing those lines and
• 1:08:48
  creating these anchor points is weird.
• 1:08:50
  And the future generations of your tribe, the future
• 1:08:54
  generations of the people whom you have shared this weird,
• 1:08:57
  with, whom you have had these experiences with, are going to
• 1:09:01
  be impacted by the choices that you make.
• 1:09:04
  They're going to be impacted by what you put into that well
• 1:09:08
  because you have blended those waters at this point.
• 1:09:10
  And every time you do ritual together as a tribe, you are
• 1:09:14
  actively blending the wells. That's that's why we utilize a
• 1:09:19
  well as one of the core elements of our ritual process is a a
• 1:09:25
  physical manifestation of the blending of those waters.
• 1:09:30
  Yeah, yeah, same way with us in our tribe.
• 1:09:32
  You know, we have like especially when it comes to our
• 1:09:34
  symbol, we have a centralized well cup, bragaful, whatever,
• 1:09:39
  you know, chalice. That is the metaphysical it it's
• 1:09:44
  the physical representation of the metaphysical.
• 1:09:46
  Well, you know what I mean, everything that happens at the
• 1:09:49
  ritual is, is being poured into the well and this and that.
• 1:09:53
  But all of this touches on the, the, you know, the, the
• 1:09:57
  complexities of the soul. Because again, we're talking
• 1:09:59
  about things that echo on even after we're no longer here to
• 1:10:04
  physically talk about it on a podcast or, or in, you know, in
• 1:10:08
  front of another person, you know, sitting in a room around a
• 1:10:11
  fire. I mean, these, these are ripples
• 1:10:14
  that echo on, you know, and you know, it's, it's, it's, it's
• 1:10:22
  wild to think about. It really is, you know.
• 1:10:27
  That whole category of the orlog category that I, I mentioned
• 1:10:31
  before, that encompasses your luck, that encompasses your
• 1:10:35
  orlog, that encompasses your Filia, Hamenya, Kinfetch, all of
• 1:10:39
  those things fall into that element because they are
• 1:10:42
  intrinsic to the soul and they are things that impact that
• 1:10:46
  which is passed on, that which endures.
• 1:10:49
  It's that peace that's gonna survive in some way.
• 1:10:52
  I may not necessarily be in a Direct Line that you think, but
• 1:10:55
  it's gonna survive in some ways. It's gonna be integrated into
• 1:10:58
  that ecosystem that it comes from and it's gonna continue to
• 1:11:01
  feed future generations even if they don't spring from your
• 1:11:04
  loins. Like the things that we do as
• 1:11:08
  this generation of Heathenry are going to impact future
• 1:11:11
  generations of Heathenry because we're here doing some groundwork
• 1:11:14
  and footwork that they are going to build on and hopefully do
• 1:11:18
  amazing things with. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:22
  It makes me think about one of the things you said earlier
• 1:11:24
  with, you know, oh, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a reincarnated warrior
• 1:11:29
  from a day, you know, days gone by or whatever, just because,
• 1:11:33
  you know, you you maybe inherited a certain aspect of
• 1:11:37
  that, you know, an echo from that.
• 1:11:40
  It makes you think, you know, how much of what we're doing or
• 1:11:44
  how we're responding to our form of existence.
• 1:11:48
  What is is is an impact or or a decision made off of something
• 1:11:52
  that somebody did that wasn't even really, you know, directly
• 1:11:57
  involved with our familial line, right.
• 1:11:59
  Maybe it was a great grandfather who was hanging out with some
• 1:12:02
  other dude and they taught him a thing and it got it got it got
• 1:12:06
  thrown into the well at that point.
• 1:12:07
  And then here we are now living and out or, or something, you
• 1:12:11
  know, like it's. Yep, it's traditions that are
• 1:12:14
  passed down, decisions that are made, you know, the right
• 1:12:19
  partner to pass on, the right genes.
• 1:12:20
  All of that stuff plays into it. And you know, we talk about the
• 1:12:24
  complexity of the soul. There's different elements too
• 1:12:26
  that you can look at with like, you know, we've mentioned
• 1:12:29
  berserkers before and wolfsarks, these individuals that would
• 1:12:33
  take on that kind of B steal form in battle.
• 1:12:38
  I I frequently see 'cause you get with anything as complex as
• 1:12:42
  the soul, like an engine, things can get out of whack, things can
• 1:12:45
  get disproportionate. And so an individual who is a
• 1:12:51
  berserker would most likely have a very like disproportionately
• 1:12:56
  large ferra soul element that that vaitier soul element that
• 1:13:02
  allows them to tap into that and probably older that that divine
• 1:13:06
  or that that world, that divine madness given by that allows
• 1:13:11
  them to tap into that state. And so you've got that, that
• 1:13:15
  just right mix of elements that are different.
• 1:13:18
  And so that's the way that individual ends up going.
• 1:13:21
  But you can also have different things like if the Hummer gets,
• 1:13:25
  we mentioned before, if the Hummer gets disconnected from
• 1:13:29
  the lich during like what we would call now astral projection
• 1:13:33
  but hammer walking back in the day, the body enters into a kind
• 1:13:37
  of coma like state because lights are on but nobody's home
• 1:13:40
  kind of deal. That comas in general can be
• 1:13:46
  perhaps a disconnect between the Hummer and the lich where that
• 1:13:52
  may may still be there, but there may just be that line that
• 1:13:56
  connects the two is damaged, severed, broken, needs time to
• 1:13:59
  heal, may never heal. There's no telling.
• 1:14:02
  Dementia can be seen as a breakdown of the min side of
• 1:14:06
  things, the mind side of things, the memory elements.
• 1:14:09
  Aphasias can go into the huger side of things where an active
• 1:14:14
  thought is damaged. There are elements of the soul
• 1:14:19
  complex you can get down into, like minutiae of things.
• 1:14:22
  There are elements of the soul complex that are responsible for
• 1:14:24
  active memory recall, which would definitely fall into some
• 1:14:28
  of the dementia and aphasias. There's disconnects.
• 1:14:32
  The issues with the lich can have impacts on other sides too,
• 1:14:36
  because you suddenly get brain damage, and if the mind and
• 1:14:41
  thought elements of the soul are acting through the brain to
• 1:14:44
  drive the body, if the steering wheel's damaged, they can't do
• 1:14:48
  much with it. Right.
• 1:14:51
  So and then there's other elements to where things can be
• 1:14:54
  disproportionate or broken and can be like if there's a
• 1:15:00
  breakdown between the cause, the hammer being like the spiritual
• 1:15:03
  body that houses all of these unseen elements.
• 1:15:07
  If there's a breakdown between the communication between it and
• 1:15:10
  the body, you can end up with things like perhaps autism,
• 1:15:15
  perhaps different things that we see physiological manifestations
• 1:15:20
  of that have an explanation within medicine and science.
• 1:15:25
  But the understanding is furthered with an understanding
• 1:15:29
  of the soul, complex elements that go into it and can be
• 1:15:33
  treated on multiple levels at that point.
• 1:15:36
  Because I do, absolutely, I don't want anybody to think that
• 1:15:38
  I'm like issuing modern medicine for, you know, witch doctor, fix
• 1:15:42
  the soul and it'll fix the body thing.
• 1:15:45
  But if you're going to go a holistic approach of fixing the
• 1:15:49
  body, fixing the mind and fixing the soul, then you're treating
• 1:15:53
  the whole entity because the the lich is still a part of the soul
• 1:15:57
  just the same as those other elements are.
• 1:16:00
  You can get in with depression, You can get in with ADHD.
• 1:16:03
  There's a lot of different elements where one little tweak
• 1:16:07
  in the soul elements where things just don't quite line up
• 1:16:10
  right can manifest in these things.
• 1:16:14
  And it's possible that physiological elements have an
• 1:16:17
  impact on that as well. This So it's like a two way St.
• 1:16:20
  kind of deal. So if you're gonna be treating
• 1:16:23
  mental health, which definitely has, let's take a take a look at
• 1:16:28
  like depression for example, you frequently treat depression with
• 1:16:31
  an SSRI, which is a serotonin specific reuptake inhibitor
• 1:16:34
  because we know that there's a serotonin deficit with
• 1:16:38
  depression. And then the SSR is allow more
• 1:16:40
  serotonin to remain in the system to be absorbed by the
• 1:16:43
  brain and therefore affect mood. But we also do talk therapy.
• 1:16:48
  We also do coping skills. We do thought realignment where
• 1:16:54
  we'll sit there and work with them to reframe things.
• 1:16:57
  We're treating the mind, which is still a part of that soul
• 1:17:01
  element. So if you're treating mental
• 1:17:03
  health, you're treating both the body and the mind in the same
• 1:17:06
  way. You're still all treating the
• 1:17:08
  soul, They're just different soul elements that you're
• 1:17:10
  treating. So This is why I think that
• 1:17:13
  modern medicine is excellent at honing in on how to treat the
• 1:17:17
  lich. It's beautiful understanding of
• 1:17:20
  that. Because I see science is just
• 1:17:23
  one of the gifts that the gods gave us to understand this
• 1:17:26
  wonderful gift that they have given us in the form of Midgard.
• 1:17:31
  But it's not the whole picture. It's a piece of it all.
• 1:17:36
  Because if you're going to be dealing with a complex entity,
• 1:17:39
  you probably need a multimodal method of interacting and
• 1:17:43
  treatment in order to actually make lasting effect, make
• 1:17:47
  lasting healing changes, et cetera, et cetera.
• 1:17:51
  Yeah, now I'm so glad that you brought that part of it up
• 1:17:54
  'cause I know, I know your background, that maybe some of
• 1:17:57
  my listeners don't, you know? I know.
• 1:17:59
  You have a degree in psychology. Exactly, you know, so you know,
• 1:18:03
  you said it here, but for the folks that didn't know, I mean,
• 1:18:05
  he's got he went to school for this.
• 1:18:06
  He he, he ain't just talking out of his ass, right?
• 1:18:09
  You know I've. Been working in the field for
• 1:18:11
  like 20 years. Right, Yeah, there's, there's
• 1:18:13
  that whole experience plus the the work and and, and it's so he
• 1:18:17
  speaks from, from, from all of that.
• 1:18:20
  And I'm glad to be talking about the the soul complex in the
• 1:18:26
  living sense. Not that it's, you know, well,
• 1:18:28
  well, when we die and it goes here and it goes there and
• 1:18:30
  thinking of it as though some it's some sort of whimsical
• 1:18:33
  thing that happens. No, we're talking about it like
• 1:18:36
  This Is Us now. Now.
• 1:18:39
  Right here, right now and dealing with these things you
• 1:18:41
  mentioned, like I think at the very beginning about how, you
• 1:18:44
  know, it's, it's all, everything's in line,
• 1:18:45
  everything's happening. It's, it's, this is it, right
• 1:18:50
  it, it all, it all has come together.
• 1:18:51
  When, when something is out of whack and when something is, is,
• 1:18:55
  is not here, we, we run into these issues.
• 1:18:58
  And this is part of what you're talking about now.
• 1:19:00
  It's, it's, you know, when those little idiosyncrasies are just,
• 1:19:04
  you know, a bolt came loose or a screw popped out of where it was
• 1:19:09
  supposed to go or whatever. You know, I'm using like base
• 1:19:11
  terms here, but you get what I'm saying, right?
• 1:19:13
  It's it, this is what you're, you're getting into now with,
• 1:19:16
  with, with what we're talking about, which is great because
• 1:19:18
  it, it gives a, a relative, it, it makes it real.
• 1:19:24
  It's all in relative terms. And people are like, Oh yeah.
• 1:19:26
  Now I, I think people that will be listening and watching this
• 1:19:30
  hopefully will get a, a sense of like, yeah, this is just our,
• 1:19:34
  you know, maybe collective or individual perspectives or, or,
• 1:19:37
  or conceptual world views of things when it comes to us as
• 1:19:40
  individuals and us as people. But it it's, it's applicable in
• 1:19:46
  the here and now, right there, right now.
• 1:19:48
  This is, this is how it's applied, how you use it.
• 1:19:51
  What is 'cause like you said, yeah, we can pontificate forever
• 1:19:55
  on what happens after death, but we don't know.
• 1:19:58
  We're not there. We're not gonna.
• 1:20:01
  We can't worry about that. We're here, we're now.
• 1:20:03
  This is what we get, This is what we get to do and we need to
• 1:20:07
  work on the here now understanding the different soul
• 1:20:09
  elements when it comes to things like mental health, when it
• 1:20:11
  comes to physiological health, when it comes to like for
• 1:20:15
  instance, there's one soul element that is essentially the
• 1:20:19
  store of life. You know, when you were born,
• 1:20:21
  you were born with a certain amount in the tank and you can
• 1:20:26
  make good choices and get maximum mileage out of all the
• 1:20:31
  gas that's in that tank. But that's it.
• 1:20:34
  That's all the gas that you get now.
• 1:20:36
  You can do stupid stuff. You can burn wheelies, you can
• 1:20:40
  race it hard, you can beat it up so that it takes damage and
• 1:20:44
  loses some of that gas, and you can run out early.
• 1:20:50
  And so, you know, decisions that we make, actions that we make
• 1:20:53
  impact the length of how much of that life force we get to take
• 1:20:58
  advantage of. Any time that you go into
• 1:21:01
  battle, you're risking that you're gambling that life force.
• 1:21:04
  And it it can be spent, it can be gambled, it can be stolen.
• 1:21:09
  You can't get any more than what's in the tank.
• 1:21:12
  Yeah, but you can get as much out of that tank.
• 1:21:15
  Miles per gallon as. You want?
• 1:21:16
  Yeah. And you know, it's the do you
• 1:21:20
  want maximum mileage or do you want an enjoyable ride?
• 1:21:26
  Decisions, decisions, decisions. Yeah, and I think that goes back
• 1:21:32
  to, you know, just what you got. You know, you say like the
• 1:21:36
  individual inheritance, it not it's this isn't, you know,
• 1:21:41
  there's no real, I think end all, be all solution.
• 1:21:47
  You know, it has to be treated at a very individual level.
• 1:21:50
  Like, yeah, sure, there might be a modality or, or, or or or
• 1:21:54
  something that you can follow a practice that you say
• 1:21:57
  pontificated out. But like the the fact that is,
• 1:21:59
  is, is, you know, how it works for Eric might not work the same
• 1:22:02
  for Jesse. Exactly.
• 1:22:03
  You know, you can have these ideas, you can have this these
• 1:22:07
  concepts to help you understand it, but ultimately, you know,
• 1:22:12
  you got to work on your own engines and, and get some help.
• 1:22:16
  You know, there's, there's others that can there's, you
• 1:22:19
  know, that's why you go to mechanics, right?
• 1:22:22
  I don't, I don't change my own oil even though I probably
• 1:22:24
  could. I I probably don't won't do as
• 1:22:25
  good a job as the professional, you know.
• 1:22:28
  I changed my own oil but I'm going to go get my transmission
• 1:22:31
  work done for my pro. What exactly right like whatever
• 1:22:35
  you want to I. I ain't doing that.
• 1:22:37
  You go to a specialist, you know your transmission's out.
• 1:22:40
  You go see a transmission specialist.
• 1:22:41
  You know, if you've got some, just overall something's making
• 1:22:45
  a weird noise. You go to a general mechanic,
• 1:22:46
  you know, you want a new paint job.
• 1:22:48
  You go to The Body Shop. Yeah.
• 1:22:50
  You treat the specifics by going to specialists in those fields
• 1:22:55
  that know what they're doing. But you can only do that if you
• 1:22:58
  know what needs to be done. And you only do that by
• 1:23:02
  understanding the car and its bits and pieces.
• 1:23:05
  You know, if you don't understand how the turbocharger
• 1:23:08
  works, then you don't know who to go to to get it fixed.
• 1:23:11
  Now you can go to a guy who can help you kind of track down
• 1:23:13
  where to go. That's what a lot of, you know,
• 1:23:16
  us clergy do, is we're not necessarily here to fix your
• 1:23:19
  turbo, but we're here to point you in the direction to find
• 1:23:23
  what you need to do it. You know, I may, I may pull out
• 1:23:27
  the the old manual and say, all right, well, this is where that
• 1:23:32
  is. And this is where that is.
• 1:23:33
  Go tinker, see what you can do. Or you come back and be like,
• 1:23:37
  all right, well, this is how you fix this part.
• 1:23:39
  This is how you swap out an alternator.
• 1:23:42
  Go swap your alternator out. Yeah.
• 1:23:45
  That's ultimately, as a spiritual leader, that's what an
• 1:23:47
  individual tries to do. We try to facilitate the
• 1:23:53
  relationship with the divine because we hone that specific
• 1:23:56
  craft. But I'm not like, I'm not your
• 1:24:02
  gateway to divinity. Anybody can make that
• 1:24:05
  connection. I'm just really good at the
• 1:24:07
  ritual aspect of doing it. I understand the mechanics
• 1:24:11
  behind it. So my tribe comes to me to help
• 1:24:14
  do that because I can hear that. You know, that's your specialty.
• 1:24:20
  You're that specialist. But.
• 1:24:22
  I got another tribe member, my witchy woman who knows herb
• 1:24:26
  craft and all this other stuff that is very much of the
• 1:24:29
  material world that I ain't got a clue on.
• 1:24:32
  So I go to her when I need to know which herb do I need to rub
• 1:24:36
  on this so that it stops hurting.
• 1:24:39
  She's my go to. She's, she knows her stuff.
• 1:24:42
  Oh. Yeah, yeah, dude, I feel like we
• 1:24:48
  could, I mean, this is like one of those conversations that we
• 1:24:51
  could be here literally all week, all night on.
• 1:24:54
  I really feel that we covered a lot for folks, probably more
• 1:24:58
  than what was expected, honestly, Cause and to be honest
• 1:25:01
  with you, like we, we touched on some things that really struck a
• 1:25:05
  nerve for me, like personally in a good way, you know, like it,
• 1:25:10
  it really hit home for me just on some things that I'm going
• 1:25:13
  through. So I can't help but hope and,
• 1:25:16
  and believe that when this gets out to, to everybody, when
• 1:25:20
  people are listening or, and, or watching this, however they
• 1:25:23
  absorb it, you know that these folks are going to have their
• 1:25:28
  experiences, you know as well. And I can't thank you enough for
• 1:25:32
  for being here for that. Yeah, no sweat, man.
• 1:25:35
  And if anybody's interested in more of a granular kind of
• 1:25:37
  breakdown on some of the solo elements terminology and stuff
• 1:25:40
  that I use, I did do like a four part video series on my YouTube
• 1:25:44
  channel back in the day. Breaking up the it's four or
• 1:25:48
  five parts, I forget exactly. But I broke up the different
• 1:25:51
  like I did the mind section, I did the the soul section, I did
• 1:25:55
  the lich, I did the the lux section to kind of give a little
• 1:25:59
  bit more of a granular breakdown.
• 1:26:01
  That's it's, it's been a few years since I did that one.
• 1:26:04
  So my understanding has grown immensely since then.
• 1:26:07
  But that's a starting point. It can be a jump off point for
• 1:26:10
  those that are interested. It'll be linked.
• 1:26:13
  I mean, I'm going to have your channel information linked.
• 1:26:16
  I might even just point them to those specific videos since it
• 1:26:19
  does line up with this. And while you may not be posting
• 1:26:23
  regular content, I'm sure if they were to comment on a video
• 1:26:26
  or join your interactive group and they, you know, you'll get
• 1:26:30
  to them when you can. I'm sure you're busy guy, but
• 1:26:32
  you still have that connection at least right to your
• 1:26:34
  platforms. You you'll, you'll see comments
• 1:26:36
  and questions or posts from people right that post them.
• 1:26:49
  I guess there's a lag there. Yeah, there's a lag there.
• 1:26:57
  I'll give it just a SEC. That could be our cue folks.
• 1:27:06
  Yeah, he just dropped that was well.
• 1:27:09
  So for those of you listening, he kind of froze there on my
• 1:27:12
  question. We'll see if he rejoins because
• 1:27:18
  I would hate to end on a note like that, but that's part of
• 1:27:20
  the funness of the The Random Heathen Ramblings podcast.
• 1:27:25
  Ladies and gentlemen, Little things like that just so happen
• 1:27:31
  to be the way things go. So let me see if he what
• 1:27:43
  happened here. Hold on just a second.
• 1:27:53
  OK, so he's had a little bit of a storm issue.
• 1:28:00
  I'm talking to him offline guys. So just as we go forward here, I
• 1:28:06
  think he might be offline because of the storms up in his
• 1:28:09
  area. OK, so
• 1:28:27
  he lost power altogether. So that's fun.
• 1:28:31
  Let me just let me just connect with him.
• 1:28:36
  We'll move forward. He lives in the very remote area
• 1:28:52
  of of East Texas. And so it's all good though
• 1:29:13
  going to work through it guys, going to work through it.
• 1:29:17
  All right. So for those of you that are,
• 1:29:19
  you know, listening Eric while we were talking, fortunately it
• 1:29:24
  happened at the end of the episode.
• 1:29:25
  So things happen for a reason and at the right time.
• 1:29:30
  But he does have videos like he was talking about the various
• 1:29:34
  more granular stuff with the parts of the soul.
• 1:29:37
  All of his his channel information.
• 1:29:39
  Some of those videos are going to be LinkedIn the show notes.
• 1:29:43
  You can just search his channel on YouTube.
• 1:29:46
  You can join the word Weaver community on Facebook and I'm
• 1:29:52
  almost 100% sure that even though he doesn't post regular
• 1:29:56
  content, he still has visibility to see those comments and see
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  those questions as they come up because he's obviously talking
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  to me on Facebook offline from the show.
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  So he'll see those comments that come through or those questions
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  that you might have direct them his way through the stuff that
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  you find in the in the show notes or the description.
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  But for Eric, you listen to this or, or or whatever after the,
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  the fact. Thank you so much for being
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  here. This was an absolute blast.
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  I had a great time. I learned a lot.
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  And I hope all of you folks that have listened to this show this
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  episode and or are watching it have gotten some benefit and
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  some some good stuff out of it too.
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  It's one of my favorite episodes to to shoot actually.
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  So do be sure to support Eric in any way that you can.
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  Subscribe to his channel, join his Facebook group, that's
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  really all. Oh, and by his book, by the way,
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  he has a book. I'm going to have that down
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  below. He mentioned that early on the
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  saga of Bjorn Thorlson. It's on Amazon link for that'll
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  be down there as well. Supportive in any way that you
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  can and hope you all enjoyed it. So thank you so much for
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  listening and watching till we talk to each other again.
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  May the gods continue to notice you.
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  May your ancestors smile upon you.
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  See you in the next one.