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Speaker 1: It's reform it.
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Speaker 2: Tonight the stock market flops and how much trouble are
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Speaker 2: we in and our superstitious bureaucrats parks officials find a
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Speaker 2: man for walking on a mountain, they claim it's dangerous
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Speaker 2: because of secret men's business. Plus the outrageous smearing of
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Speaker 2: an Algerian boxer at the Games, fate claims as such
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Speaker 2: as cheating man or transgender any more, coming up to
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Speaker 2: including the government yet again going a bit soft and
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Speaker 2: it's a mister extremism. But first to the Prime Minister's
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Speaker 2: big announcement today, actually the price of political arrogance and
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Speaker 2: failure for years.
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Speaker 3: Asia OO has decided to return Australia's national terrorism threat
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Speaker 3: level from possible to probable. And it does not mean
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Speaker 3: there is intelligence. It's about an imminent threat or danger.
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Speaker 3: But the advice that we've received is that more Australians
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Speaker 3: are embracing a more diverse range of extreme ideologies and
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Speaker 3: it is our responsibility to be vigilant.
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Speaker 2: It's absolutely no surprise if the danger is now us
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Speaker 2: because they're saying it's not really just about the important
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Speaker 2: terrorism that's what we're told today. It's people on all
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Speaker 2: sides of many causes. Here's the ASO chief, Mark Burges
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Speaker 2: Burgers on why he told the Prome Minister to raise
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Speaker 2: the terrorism alert.
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Speaker 4: More Australians are being radicalized and radicalized more quickly. More
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Speaker 4: Australians are embracing a more diverse range of extreme ideologies,
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Speaker 4: and more Australians are willing to use violence to advance
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Speaker 4: their cause. In some cases I refer to the alleged
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Speaker 4: perpetrators appear to be motivated by extreme religious beliefs. In
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Speaker 4: others nationalists and racist beliefs.
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Speaker 2: Now, I think these guys are minimizing exactly how much
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Speaker 2: of the tension is driven by Islamistic extremism. But there
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Speaker 2: is a clue in what Burgess just said there to
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Speaker 2: what's now going on in Britain, especially by the way,
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Speaker 2: but it is starting here now as have worn for
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Speaker 2: years of decades.
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Speaker 5: Really, what our political and.
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Speaker 2: Media class was doing to both countries actually would cause
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Speaker 2: a backlash just as ugly and just as dangerous. You
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Speaker 2: can't inflict policies on people like mass immigration and multiculturalism,
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Speaker 2: even a brutal COVID lockdown. You can't go soft on
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Speaker 2: imported extremists like some Sydney hate preachers here, or let
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Speaker 2: propalacin these streams take over the streets, or even now
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Speaker 2: bring in Palestinians from a territory where support from MAS
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Speaker 2: terrorism is overwhelming. You can't do all that and expect
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Speaker 2: the locals to just cop it. You can't expect the
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Speaker 2: people born here to always be reasonable and understanding or
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Speaker 2: at least silent, especially people who are poor, not well educated,
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Speaker 2: feeling threatened in their own homes and their own jobs
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Speaker 2: right now too, when they're getting even poorer. And all
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Speaker 2: this when they meanwhile see our institutions trashed by our
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Speaker 2: elitzas you know, oh it's racist where colonials.
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Speaker 5: Were too white.
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Speaker 2: Our governments are offering apologies to race hutletsers, race hustlers
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Speaker 2: and giving them handouts. Our Asio boss did touch a
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Speaker 2: little on that, I must say today he admitted that,
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Speaker 2: for instance, the propalacy in, the extremists have made all
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Speaker 2: this worse. And the Prime Minister also whacked the Greens,
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Speaker 2: screaming that you know it's Australia is complicit in genciere,
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Speaker 2: which are total Greens lie. And then there's the protesters
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Speaker 2: who are getting in our face, making Jews scared to
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Speaker 2: even walk our streets, even blockading the Prime Minister's own
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Speaker 2: electorate office since February. Well thatbanies to complained about that
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Speaker 2: today when you should have actually cleared out those protesters
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Speaker 2: months ago and showed leadership. But when you show this weakness,
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Speaker 2: you have to prepare for a backlash, and we're now
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Speaker 2: seeing exactly that in Britain over the last few days,
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Speaker 2: which I think actually influenced today's announcement. Rights in many
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Speaker 2: British cities by anti immigration protests, a so called poor
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Speaker 2: white trash, many just thugs, even trying to burn down
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Speaker 2: a hotel of illegal immigrants in Rotherham and another in Staffordshire,
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Speaker 2: smashing random windows in multi ethnic areas of the working
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Speaker 2: class cities in the Midlands and Yorkshire, attacking police as
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Speaker 2: if they're the enemy, demanding an ter mass immigration and
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Speaker 2: the defense of England or the idea of England now
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Speaker 2: make Burdges said it'd actually been watching all this in Britain.
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Speaker 4: In terms of what's happening in our kingdom. We stay
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Speaker 4: close with our mates and understand what's the driver's there.
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Speaker 4: Every case is different. It's concerning behavior, but looking behind
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Speaker 4: that is important. That's why our experts stay in touch
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Speaker 4: with our friends.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 2: I hope Azio has been watching a lot more closely
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Speaker 2: than the journals have seen, comenting what's actually going on there,
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Speaker 2: because this is our future if we don't learn the
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Speaker 2: right lessons. Now we're told, oh, the British rights over
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Speaker 2: the past few days, it's just about far right thugs
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Speaker 2: being racist after the murder of three young girls last week,
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Speaker 2: allegedly by the son of immigrants from Rwanda, and certainly
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Speaker 2: that is the way the British Prime Minister is treating this.
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Speaker 6: I utterly condemn the far right thuggery we've seen this weekend.
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Speaker 6: Be it no doubt those that have participated in this
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Speaker 6: violence will face the full force of the law. I
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Speaker 6: guarantee you will regret taking part in this disorder, whether
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Speaker 6: directly or those whipping up this action online.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely true, there are racists, there are thugs. There are
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Speaker 2: idiots in those mobs who falsely believe the alleged killer
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Speaker 2: of those three girls was a Muslim and attack the
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Speaker 2: local mosque. But is that all because I think there's
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Speaker 2: also another story, and it's one the media didn't want
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Speaker 2: to hear, like the BBC when a former police commissioner
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Speaker 2: tried to tell them there's a context of this just
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Speaker 2: in the last month was the men were bashing police
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Speaker 2: at Manchester Airport. Roman immigrants attacking police and welfare workers,
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Speaker 2: a man of African appear and stabbing lieutenant colonel walking
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Speaker 2: full uniform. This was the ugly bearclash. Oh no, no,
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Speaker 2: don't want to hear any of that.
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Speaker 7: You have to be very careful now with tempers the
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Speaker 7: way they are and people's sense of anst of what
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Speaker 7: had gone on in the preceding couple of days where
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Speaker 7: you'd had an army officer stabbed in the back, the
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Speaker 7: misleading representation in the Northwest where that's.
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Speaker 8: A different case that Kevin.
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Speaker 9: So we'll leave it there.
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Speaker 7: That's Kevin Hurley.
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Speaker 5: You're missing the point.
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Speaker 7: All If you're missing the point, people conflate this, and
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Speaker 7: they make.
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Speaker 10: That conflation by mentioning the two cases together here, So
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Speaker 10: we'll leave it there.
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Speaker 2: It was Fascal only tell us about white thugs, given
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Speaker 2: there were even Muslim games in these rights looking for
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Speaker 2: white protesters to bash, or just some white guy on
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Speaker 2: the street. And the Police and Crime Commissioner for Hampshire
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Speaker 2: also tried explaining why this tough talk about just white
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Speaker 2: thugs from the Prime Minister, a man who bent the
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Speaker 2: need during sometimes violent Black Lives Matter protests was failing.
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Speaker 2: Commissioner Donna Jones warned the announcement of the Prime Minister's
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Speaker 2: new violent crime units have led to an accusation of
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Speaker 2: two tier policing, which is in flame protesters. They state
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Speaker 2: that they are battling to protect Britain's sovereignty, identity and
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Speaker 2: stop illegal migration. The only way to send the tide
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Speaker 2: of violent disorder is to acknowledge what's causing it.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 2: I know this is so tricky because acknowledging what's fueling
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Speaker 2: these riots is like legitimized the inexcusable violence of thugs
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Speaker 2: of racist Yes, but if we keep ignoring the precious
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Speaker 2: cause by mass immigration, Islamic radicalism, leftist assaults on our
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Speaker 2: institutions are now all this in a failing economy, then
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Speaker 2: something is going to give in Britain.
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Speaker 5: It just has.
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Speaker 2: And how this raised terrorism alert here, it's a warning
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Speaker 2: that we're now in danger as well thanks to the
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Speaker 2: arrogance of the elites. We'll talk about the Prime Minister's
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Speaker 2: terrorism announcement in a minute, but first let's go to
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Speaker 2: Britain because what we've seen there is a warning.
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Speaker 5: In fact, it may even be a factor.
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Speaker 2: As I said in what Happened Today here Johnny from
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Speaker 2: London is writer, broadcast and presenter Esther Krakhu. So these
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Speaker 2: are just such ugly scenes. Take us through how it
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Speaker 2: started and how it's got so out of control.
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Speaker 11: These scenes that we're seeing are undoubtedly horrific, and the
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Speaker 11: background story or what ignited them is even more so so.
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Speaker 11: Three young children and a dance teacher were fatally stabbed
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Speaker 11: at a dance class a tailor swift them dance class
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Speaker 11: in Southport last week, and there were rumors online Some
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Speaker 11: have attributed it to Russian misinformation that the person who
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Speaker 11: stabbed these young children to death and stabbed eight others
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Speaker 11: who are still in critical condition in hospital was a
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Speaker 11: Muslim that came across on illegally on the small boats
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Speaker 11: from France.
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Speaker 9: Now we have been.
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Speaker 11: Able to ascertain that the person who committed these atrocities
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Speaker 11: allegedly is a seventeen year old boy and son of
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Speaker 11: Rwandan immigrants. Now nothing else is known of this person's background.
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Speaker 11: There have been rumors that he suffered from some sort
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Speaker 11: of mental health issue. We don't know anything, but this
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Speaker 11: sort of whipped up a storm and has ignited the
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Speaker 11: kind of sort of community fury that have led to
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Speaker 11: these riots. Now, as you said in your monologue, which
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Speaker 11: was excellent, by the way, there are a lot of
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Speaker 11: these people that are just racist thugs that have nothing
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Speaker 11: better to do, that are just trying to defame and
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Speaker 11: disgrace the memory of these children that were lost by
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Speaker 11: attacking police, by burning cars and throwing rocks through buildings
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Speaker 11: of businesses and mosques. But actually, like you said, there
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Speaker 11: was a second story to this, which is this didn't
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Speaker 11: happen in isolation. How did community relations break down to
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Speaker 11: such an extent that we saw this effectively unrelated from
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Speaker 11: what we know so far issue, And it's because of
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Speaker 11: the decades long protests by people in this country that
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Speaker 11: are saying, listen, mass immigration is a massive issue. The
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Speaker 11: lack of integration is a massive issue. Multiculturalism has failed.
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Speaker 11: You cannot have people coming into this country without integrating.
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Speaker 11: You cannot have people living parallel lives and effectively being
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Speaker 11: being allowed to do so by the liberal elite that
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Speaker 11: have run.
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Speaker 9: This country since nineteen ninety seven.
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Speaker 11: Basically, I mean, it's quite telling that when Kirstama went
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Speaker 11: to lay reads to memorialize the deaths of these individuals
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Speaker 11: that were lost at the dance class, there were people saying,
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Speaker 11: you know, shouting at him and heckling him, saying, you know,
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Speaker 11: who's next.
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Speaker 9: If we can't protect our own children, who is next?
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Speaker 12: Now?
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Speaker 11: You couldn't have imagined that happening in nineteen ninety seven
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Speaker 11: when Tony Blair became Prime Minister. But it's indicative of
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Speaker 11: how far community relations have broken down. You have communities
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Speaker 11: that are living alongside each other, that cannot stand each other.
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Speaker 11: And the unfortunate, unfortunate and uncomfortable reality is we have
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Speaker 11: let too many people into this country that quite frankly
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Speaker 11: hate Britain. You didn't see this kind of rhetoric when
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Speaker 11: the Rotherham gangs happened. Actually, when the Rotherham gangs happened,
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Speaker 11: you didn't see any sort of riots. You didn't see,
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Speaker 11: you know, politicians storming out of Westminster. But you did
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Speaker 11: see them storming out of Westminster some sort of farcical
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Speaker 11: theater when the guards of it happened a few months ago.
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Speaker 11: And people are thinking, you don't care that white working
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Speaker 11: class girls will abuse systemically by by these grooming gangs
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Speaker 11: in places like Rotherham.
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Speaker 9: You don't care. You didn't storm out of Westminster. Nothing happened.
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Speaker 9: There was no you know.
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Speaker 11: Parade or grand show of anger. But when something like
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Speaker 11: the Guards of It, which is something that really is
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Speaker 11: happening thousands of miles away from Britain is happening, they
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Speaker 11: storm out. And people are really getting a sense that
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Speaker 11: the politicians running this country have not only betrayed us
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Speaker 11: time and time again, but they fundamentally hate this country
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Speaker 11: and they're aiding and abetting people that hate this country.
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Speaker 11: There's so many statistics with regards it to policing and
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Speaker 11: crime in this country that makes people feel like Britain
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Speaker 11: is now a lawless place. Across one hundred and sixty
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Speaker 11: eight districts in London areas in London, the Metropolitan Police
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Speaker 11: have not solved one petty crime that includes car thefts
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Speaker 11: burglary in three years. You have protests that have been
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Speaker 11: going on in the streets of London for months now
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Speaker 11: that the police have just been letting go on even
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Speaker 11: though they're hateful.
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Speaker 9: Chance they're hateful things going on there.
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Speaker 11: You have Islamist preachers on the streets of this country
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Speaker 11: that are radicalizing people and teaching people how to attack
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Speaker 11: and hate this country, and nothing has been done. And
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Speaker 11: so while this act of vandalism and these these riots
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Speaker 11: by these thugs, as you rightly said, is horrible, it
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Speaker 11: didn't happen in a vacuum. And now we have this
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Speaker 11: uncomfortable conversation that we have to have, which is what
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Speaker 11: has happened to this country, what has happened to community relations,
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Speaker 11: how has multiculturalism failed? And how can we bring this
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Speaker 11: country back together? Because I fear that if something doesn't happen,
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Speaker 11: this will only be the beginning.
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Speaker 2: Brilliantly summed up Esther, I must say, you mentioned the
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Speaker 2: Rotherham grooming game. White girls, young white girls sexually abused
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Speaker 2: for years by largely immigrant people from an immigrant community
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Speaker 2: Pakistani many of them, and covered up by the authorities.
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Speaker 2: And people wondered for years because they didn't want to
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Speaker 2: see racists, and people wonder why they don't or these
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Speaker 2: mobs aren't trusting the police and the authorities now. And
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Speaker 2: it's interesting that one of the two hotels for illegal
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Speaker 2: immigrants was in Rotherham, the one that got burned. Esther
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Speaker 2: correctly thank you so much for your time, but to Australia.
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Speaker 2: I mean the same kind of breakdown is happening right here.
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Speaker 2: It's not as bad as in Britain, of course not,
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Speaker 2: but the same processes are at work, mass immigration, multicultural policies,
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Speaker 2: governments going soft, and some mis extremes and not always
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Speaker 2: telling the truth. Other forms of extremesm too. Now, people
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Speaker 2: getting poorer in what really is a recession here, and
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Speaker 2: then you've got these ugly so called peace rallies since
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Speaker 2: I much slaughtered twelve hundred Jews and started a war
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Speaker 2: with Israel, foul rallies stuggish.
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Speaker 4: The conflict has fueled grievances, promoted protest, exacerbated division, undermined
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Speaker 4: social cohesion and elevated intolerance.
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Speaker 2: Joining me, is the country stop foreign affairs? Right to
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Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan of the Australian newspaper, Greg, great to see
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Speaker 2: you back again in the country. What is happening to Australia?
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Speaker 13: Well, I thought the government announcement today was a little
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Speaker 13: bit weird. I mean, surely the Australian government is the
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Speaker 13: last sentient preacher in Western civilization to work out that
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Speaker 13: the terrorism threat has increased since October seven. I think
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Speaker 13: we've been infinitely more successful immigrant country than b has,
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Speaker 13: but we have allowed in a very large cohort of
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Speaker 13: Muslim immigrants, of whom a small minority are certainly extremists.
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Speaker 13: Now in the announcement today, Mike Burgess, for whom I
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Speaker 13: have the greatest respect, said the Gaza conflict was a
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Speaker 13: driver of extremism, but not a cause of extremism. And
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Speaker 13: the whole announcement seem to have these convoluted words associated
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Speaker 13: with it, where they're neither the Prime Minister nor the
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Speaker 13: Director General of Asia would say Islamist extremism. It seems
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Speaker 13: like the Muslim community leaders have bluffed the government and
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Speaker 13: its agencies out of any use of any word in
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Speaker 13: relation to Islamism, but they're still the greatest incidence of
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Speaker 13: terrorism is carried out by Islamist extremists. There is also
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Speaker 13: a growing threat of right wing terrorism that should be
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Speaker 13: called out too. But I thought there were a lot
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Speaker 13: of things weird about the governments announcement today have Can
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Speaker 13: you possibly make Tony Burke the Minister Bahome Affairs when
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Speaker 13: he lives, when he represents an electric with more extremist
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Speaker 13: senate than any other electorate, and when he was so
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Speaker 13: disgraceful in his response to the Hammas massacre in Gaza
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Speaker 13: and when he will be he wouldn't call out the
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Speaker 13: extremists in his own electorate for the longest time, and
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Speaker 13: then amazingly he wasn't there at the announcement today. I mean,
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Speaker 13: what is the Home Affairs Minister doing if he's not
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Speaker 13: concerned with a rise in the threat of terrorism? And
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Speaker 13: the explanation of it all is that the uberneath the
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Speaker 13: government approaches all of this through the lens of grubbing
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Speaker 13: party politics.
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Speaker 2: But I think you put your finger on something that's
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Speaker 2: a factor in Britain to the lack of trust in
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Speaker 2: the authorities to tell you the truth.
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Speaker 12: Whenever there's some sort of ethnic.
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Speaker 2: Crime or terrorism event, people don't feel they're getting the
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Speaker 2: full story. Now I believe, I mean the way they're
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Speaker 2: carrying on, and I believe this for months today, as
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Speaker 2: I must have told the government, don't keep saying islam
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Speaker 2: is terrorists, play it down always, mention is a mysterism
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Speaker 2: or other extremists or you know, Jews, and try to
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Speaker 2: equal so you don't build up the tension. I don't
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Speaker 2: think they're being honest, and when it comes to the crunch,
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Speaker 2: they're not being trustworthy.
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Speaker 13: Well, it's a fair influence, Andrew, but I'm not sure
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Speaker 13: Asia is the villain here. Let me quickly say I
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Speaker 13: have no inside information, but I think it's more likely
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Speaker 13: to have been the other way around, the Albanesi government
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Speaker 13: saying to Asia, for God's sake, give us a formulation
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Speaker 13: of words which doesn't involve us trespassing in any way
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Speaker 13: on the sensitivities of Muslim community leaders in Southwest Sydney
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Speaker 13: or other electorates where they're important, like broad Meadows in Melbourne.
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Speaker 13: I mean, the failure here, I think is with the
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Speaker 13: Alberanesi government and its ministers, not with our institutions, and
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Speaker 13: governments misuse institutions to give themselves fraudulent credit. But you
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Speaker 13: know Tony Burke in particular, I had the bludgeon him
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Speaker 13: into Muslim leaders in his own electorate who glorified the
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Speaker 13: hamas murders. And then of course he was asked, was
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Speaker 13: Israel committing genocide in Gaza? And he said, oh, well,
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Speaker 13: I don't want to get hang up on a particular word.
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Speaker 13: You can't even deny that Israel committing genocide. And then
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Speaker 13: they make him the minister. Now I'm sure, Mike Burtis
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Speaker 13: never says anything he doesn't believe. I don't want to
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Speaker 13: speculate about his motivations, but I am much more critical
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Speaker 13: of the government that I am of the agencies that
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Speaker 13: they typically misuse. Although by trace in a column tomorrow,
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Speaker 13: how we've gone from calling it islamus terror under Malcolm Turnbull,
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Speaker 13: to sunny extremism under Scott Morrison to now politically motivated
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Speaker 13: violence which apparently has nothing to do with Islam in
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Speaker 13: any context whatsoever in today's announcement.
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Speaker 5: Look, this is absolutely correct what your spot on.
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Speaker 2: And I think what the government's doing is throwing away
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Speaker 2: something that will prove really important in a crisis. They're
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Speaker 2: throwing away their credibility to speak. Frankly, I don't think
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Speaker 2: people are trusting them. But just quickly, speaking of the
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Speaker 2: war in the Middle East that the Asia Boss admitted
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Speaker 2: that it was fueling, admitted after being questioned, was fueling.
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Speaker 2: What's going on here that could get even worse and
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Speaker 2: then obviously affect us here too.
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Speaker 5: Iran is threatened to hit.
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Speaker 2: Back hard after Israel assassinated the foreign head of Hamas
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Speaker 2: ishmael Hania at the Iranian capital last week.
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Speaker 5: Where is this war going greg.
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Speaker 13: But they often threaten more than they actually do. They
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Speaker 13: are scared of Israel. They're not really scared of Joe Biden.
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Speaker 13: They are scared of Israel. Israel showed in its Pinpoints
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Speaker 13: strike in retaliation to Iran's previous wave of missiles that
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Speaker 13: it can hit targets, it can hit any target it
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Speaker 13: wants in Iran, and if Iran initiates a conflict, the
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Speaker 13: first target Israel will will be Iran's nuclear facilities. Now
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Speaker 13: that we're in a very dangerous situation, not only with terrorism,
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Speaker 13: with foreign interference, with authoritarian nations exacerbating our social divisions
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Speaker 13: through social media, but also with the threat of war. Now,
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Speaker 13: what Iran and Russia and China have been doing is
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Speaker 13: a whole range of things which fall just short of
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Speaker 13: what will generate a military response from the United States.
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Speaker 13: Israelis said, if you keep killing us through your proxies
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Speaker 13: hez Bala and the Hooties and Hummas, We're going to
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Speaker 13: strike you. We're going to strike you back, and we're
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Speaker 13: certainly going to strike Hummas leaders whom you are giving
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Speaker 13: shelter to. Now, I think Israel has to do that
20:40
Speaker 13: in order to have a deterrent capability. What is failing
20:46
Speaker 13: in the current circumstances that the United States is subject
20:50
Speaker 13: to these attacks too, but it does nothing in response,
20:53
Speaker 13: It doesn't impose any cost.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, spot on, spot on, Greg.
20:58
Speaker 2: I mean this is spot on there jecting weakness and
21:01
Speaker 2: they're showing horror when Israel projects the strength that is
21:04
Speaker 2: his only way of maintaining security. Greg Sheridan, I can't
21:08
Speaker 2: wait to read your article in Australia tomorrow. Thank you
21:11
Speaker 2: so much for your time, welcome back, thank you. After
21:14
Speaker 2: the break, one hundred billion dollars wiped off the stock
21:18
Speaker 2: market today, but the Albanizi governors instead in a tangle
21:21
Speaker 2: about a Macarata commission. Is it for or against playing
21:24
Speaker 2: the digiidoo? While Rome burns total confusion today in the
21:32
Speaker 2: Albanezer government, prom Minises seem to get slapped down by
21:36
Speaker 2: one of his own ministers, the New Indigenous Australians Minister
21:39
Speaker 2: MELANDERI McCarthy, when he tried on the weekend to get
21:42
Speaker 2: out of this controversial promise to create a Macarata commission
21:46
Speaker 2: to negotiate a treaty between Averages and the rest of us.
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Speaker 3: On behalf of the Australian labor Party, I commit to
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Speaker 3: the ULARUS Statement from the Heart and horror, I recommit
21:57
Speaker 3: to the ULARU Statement from the Heart in full.
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Speaker 2: And if you look at the ULARU statement drawn up
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Speaker 2: by Aboriginal activists, it explains Macarata is a culmination of
22:05
Speaker 2: our agenda. We seek a Macarata Commission to supervise a
22:09
Speaker 2: process of agreement making between governments and First Nations peoples.
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Speaker 2: But yesterday Alberonizi pretender the only ever promised to talk
22:18
Speaker 2: to Aborigines, not set up this Macarata bureaucracy.
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Speaker 3: What we're proposed is Macarata just being the idea of
22:28
Speaker 3: coming together, so it's talking to we're engaging.
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Speaker 2: But today McCarthy insisted that no, Albinizi wasn't backing off
22:38
Speaker 2: his promise.
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Speaker 14: I would caution everyone to just calm down. We are
22:44
Speaker 14: not moving away from our commitment to the ULARU Statement
22:48
Speaker 14: from the Heart. The interpretation of what the Prime Minister
22:51
Speaker 14: said has been taken completely further than what it was
22:54
Speaker 14: meant to.
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Speaker 10: Is setting up a Macarati Commission, which you're clearly suggesting
22:58
Speaker 10: is still on the ca It's possible between now and
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Speaker 10: the next election.
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Speaker 14: What I can certainly say is a new Minister for
23:05
Speaker 14: Indigenous Australians that that commitment we made, and the Prime
23:08
Speaker 14: Minister repeated that in his speech at the Forum in
23:12
Speaker 14: Gama is one that I will certainly pursue.
23:16
Speaker 2: Joining miss the panel Michael Kraiger, former Victorian Liberal president
23:19
Speaker 2: and Steve Conroy former they desended the cabinet minister, Steve,
23:23
Speaker 2: can you sort this out for us? Is the government
23:26
Speaker 2: still for a macromatic commission or against it?
23:31
Speaker 1: Well?
23:31
Speaker 15: I think certainly. The impression I got from the Prime
23:36
Speaker 15: Minister's comments to David Spears was that I think the
23:42
Speaker 15: political reality of the defeat of the Voice means that
23:45
Speaker 15: the government needs to recalibrate its position going forward. And
23:50
Speaker 15: I think he gave a very clear sign he wouldn't
23:52
Speaker 15: commit to the formal process and I think in the
23:58
Speaker 15: face of the outcome of the Voice referendum, that's wise.
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Speaker 15: So I think that we'll see continued discussion, we'll see
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Speaker 15: a commitment. I think we'll see commitment to engage.
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Speaker 5: No, that's the issue.
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Speaker 2: I think you're a spot on. I think what you
24:16
Speaker 2: say is spot on, Stephen.
24:18
Speaker 5: It is wise.
24:19
Speaker 2: He was trying to do that. But the problem is
24:21
Speaker 2: Michael Kroger then along Gallumph's Melanderira McCarthy and says on
24:26
Speaker 2: we're not backing off this what's going on?
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Speaker 16: No, the position is very clear. He is committed to
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Speaker 16: the Uiliary statement from the heart in full probably but
24:40
Speaker 16: not necessarily, but it's being promoted during this period of
24:49
Speaker 16: coming together through consultation. It's very clear. Andrew very clear
24:54
Speaker 16: what their position.
24:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely clear as mud. But Malandari McCarthy is either
24:59
Speaker 2: not a cross a new brief or she's running interference.
25:03
Speaker 2: What the signals the PRIMEUS is trying to send ahead
25:07
Speaker 2: of the election, because I think this is really really weird.
25:11
Speaker 2: Stephen the Albany's government talking about Macarata commissions, talking about
25:15
Speaker 2: extremism today. What it's not talking about is how hard
25:19
Speaker 2: life is getting for so many strains to talk to
25:21
Speaker 2: some of the local shop won't say who it was,
25:23
Speaker 2: who's really doing it tough. Just yesterday today our stock
25:26
Speaker 2: market got absolutely hammered, one hundred billion dollars lost in value,
25:31
Speaker 2: fell more than twelve percent. Worse is that Australians are
25:34
Speaker 2: just getting poorer. High inflation, low growth is just eating
25:37
Speaker 2: at the real disposable income per person. The good news,
25:41
Speaker 2: of course from a Stomarke crash. We're not going to
25:43
Speaker 2: get interest rate rises now. The bad news is because
25:45
Speaker 2: the economy is really shaky. But where is the government.
25:50
Speaker 5: Well, let's be clear, Andrew.
25:52
Speaker 15: As you know, and I've said many times, Reserve Bank
25:54
Speaker 15: has got it wrong. It's got it wrong for the
25:57
Speaker 15: last twelve months. It put too many interest rate increases
26:01
Speaker 15: into the system and now it's being stubborn and won't
26:05
Speaker 15: accept that it is tanked the Australian economy. And for
26:09
Speaker 15: those market analysts who keeps saying no, no, keep putting
26:14
Speaker 15: interest rates up. I mean, seriously, the economy is on
26:17
Speaker 15: the brink of a recession. The market is now caught
26:20
Speaker 15: up with the economic statistics and the economics. The last
26:23
Speaker 15: three or four months have said the straims are doing
26:26
Speaker 15: it hard. They've cut back on discretionary expenditure. They're hurting
26:30
Speaker 15: everywhere in the shopping centers. You just got to walk
26:33
Speaker 15: into any retail set of shops and there's just empty
26:38
Speaker 15: shops all along the way. And the Reserve Bank should
26:42
Speaker 15: not only be not increasing, it should actually take the
26:46
Speaker 15: opportunity tomorrow so correct its mistake and reduce interest rates.
26:51
Speaker 15: Australians are crying out for it.
26:53
Speaker 1: The government is done.
26:55
Speaker 15: It's part of the job because it's taking pressure off
26:58
Speaker 15: interest rates by running cur and that.
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Speaker 5: Is as it should be.
27:02
Speaker 1: But for for those continue to.
27:04
Speaker 15: Hugue that interest rates are a you know, should be
27:08
Speaker 15: going up. I mean, they just look so dumb right now.
27:11
Speaker 15: The Reserve Bank, Stephen, you've got to understand, corrects.
27:16
Speaker 2: You have been saying that for years or years months,
27:21
Speaker 2: But I have to say you lost me at the
27:22
Speaker 2: government's doing its bit because it's run, it's spent a
27:25
Speaker 2: hell of a lot.
27:26
Speaker 5: It's actually added to the pressures. But Michael, the problem
27:30
Speaker 5: is budgets. The budgets got hang revenue and stunt Michael.
27:37
Speaker 2: No, No, they had a flush of revenue from from
27:41
Speaker 2: resources sales, but that's ending and it's going to be
27:44
Speaker 2: running deficits from now on. But Michael, the problem is
27:48
Speaker 2: the government's stuck right either well the Reserve Bank too.
27:52
Speaker 5: They pancake the economy.
27:55
Speaker 2: Or they let it rip with the inflation, which is
27:57
Speaker 2: a silent thief that's making people poorer by every passing month.
28:04
Speaker 16: So what you've got to do as a government is
28:07
Speaker 16: take pressure off domestic demand. And the more expenditure a
28:11
Speaker 16: government has, the more money puts into the marketplace, the
28:15
Speaker 16: more pressure puts on the labor market, supply chains, et cetera,
28:18
Speaker 16: et cetera. As you said, this government is increasing expenditure
28:22
Speaker 16: one hundred and thirty five billion dollars in two years.
28:25
Speaker 16: It's going from six hundred and twenty seven billion last
28:28
Speaker 16: year to seven hundred and sixty two billion in the
28:31
Speaker 16: twenty five twenty six budget. A percentage of GDP expenditures
28:35
Speaker 16: going from twenty four point five to twenty six point six. Right,
28:39
Speaker 16: And as you say, if it wasn't for the mining industry,
28:41
Speaker 16: which alban is he'd like to close down, this place
28:44
Speaker 16: would be broke. I mean, thank god for the Australian
28:47
Speaker 16: mining industry that's keeping this place afloat.
28:50
Speaker 1: Too lucky.
28:51
Speaker 16: Surplus has nothing to do with Jim Chalmers, everything to
28:53
Speaker 16: do with the mining industry. And basically we're being plunged
28:56
Speaker 16: into deficit next year. This government's drunken, radical, shameless spend
29:01
Speaker 16: expenditure where they can't control or expenditure. Andrew is one
29:04
Speaker 16: of the reasons inflation is so high in this country today. Therefore,
29:07
Speaker 16: it's one of the reasons that interest rates are so
29:10
Speaker 16: high today and people are hurting.
29:13
Speaker 5: Stephen.
29:13
Speaker 2: I've got to ask you this before we go. You're
29:16
Speaker 2: you might be in a unique interesting position to comment.
29:20
Speaker 2: You're from England. Originally, you were born in England, some
29:23
Speaker 2: of your family lived in some of these hard towns
29:27
Speaker 2: that are now seeing some of these, uh, you know,
29:30
Speaker 2: these tensions working class areas. What do you make of
29:34
Speaker 2: what's going on in England? What's the lesson for Australia.
29:39
Speaker 15: Look, I mean, I think you've just got to look
29:40
Speaker 15: at the announcement today about you know, the threat level
29:44
Speaker 15: has gone up because of lack of social cohesion. Whether
29:47
Speaker 15: it's total disinformation which feeds I'm not going to know
29:51
Speaker 15: who did it, but the sort of these tensions being
29:56
Speaker 15: fed by social media have led to a direct increase
30:01
Speaker 15: in the threat level in Australia. So what we have
30:04
Speaker 15: to do is be careful and moderate in our language.
30:07
Speaker 15: People who are engaged in public debate, whether it's here
30:09
Speaker 15: on Sky which that's very robust, or importantly from our
30:12
Speaker 15: political leaders need to understand that their words have an impact.
30:19
Speaker 15: And so it's the duty of everybody and that includes
30:23
Speaker 15: even community and yeah, but I mean some community leaders
30:28
Speaker 15: inflame it words.
30:31
Speaker 2: And it's got to stop words can be inflammatory when
30:35
Speaker 2: you've piled up the all the fuel already and you
30:40
Speaker 2: can't even say what community we're talking about.
30:43
Speaker 5: This is the issue.
30:43
Speaker 2: If you're not allowed to even talk about the problem,
30:46
Speaker 2: you just don't say anything. I don't think it goes away,
30:49
Speaker 2: and that's the problem with the government.
30:51
Speaker 5: So it's a great point. So we'll have to.
30:53
Speaker 2: Talk about this further next week because it's a big
30:56
Speaker 2: topic and maybe I shouldn't raised it with so little
30:58
Speaker 2: time to do it. Kroger thinks you brought to that time.
31:03
Speaker 2: Good on you, mate, after the break. The man has
31:06
Speaker 2: just been fine for walking on a mountain that parks
31:10
Speaker 2: officials say could hurt him because you know, secret men's business.
31:14
Speaker 2: This This country really lost its mind. Man called Mark
31:22
Speaker 2: Hendrix has become the first person to ever be fine
31:26
Speaker 2: for climbing one of our mountains, Aunt Warning in New
31:28
Speaker 2: South Wales, who was fined three hundred dollars for doing
31:32
Speaker 2: this a second time.
31:34
Speaker 13: Good Morning Australia. From the summit of Morning.
31:37
Speaker 2: About one hundred thousand people a year used to climb
31:40
Speaker 2: this beautiful mountain, but then the New South Wales Parks
31:43
Speaker 2: of wild Life Service banned it. It claimed that the
31:46
Speaker 2: mountain was an Aboriginal sacred site, secret men's business, you know,
31:50
Speaker 2: and you might get sick if you climbed it. Hendrix
31:54
Speaker 2: is a geologist who now has written a guide to
31:56
Speaker 2: climbing Mount Warning, The Fight for Awe and Wonder. But
32:00
Speaker 2: the ban on Mount Warning, I've got to say before
32:03
Speaker 2: we get to him, it's just one of many locking
32:05
Speaker 2: out Australians from some of our most iconic natural beauties.
32:10
Speaker 2: We've already had Aboriginal groups and parks officials band claiming
32:13
Speaker 2: u LaRue as you know we've been. They've band visiting
32:16
Speaker 2: and swimming in the Gunlan Falls in Kakadoo. They've band
32:19
Speaker 2: claiming Victoria's Grampians. They are now even plans to band
32:23
Speaker 2: people sailing on or walking on the shores of Lake
32:26
Speaker 2: eyre Joining me is Mark Hendricks Mark, great to see
32:30
Speaker 2: you again.
32:31
Speaker 5: Why did you claim Mount Warning at which time? Andrew?
32:38
Speaker 10: Look, I've climbed it now six times since it's been closed,
32:43
Speaker 10: and really just to to protest this ongoing to bark
32:46
Speaker 10: all the National Parks and Wildlife Services have created with
32:48
Speaker 10: their mismanagement of the place. It's been closed now for
32:53
Speaker 10: four and a half years. Initially for COVID. Then I
32:55
Speaker 10: rolled into sort of these bogus sort of safety issues
32:58
Speaker 10: and also to allow for further stakeholder engagement with Aboriginal custodians.
33:03
Speaker 10: I don't mention anything about stakeholder engagement with people who
33:07
Speaker 10: want to climb the mountain. It's just this one particular
33:09
Speaker 10: group that National Parks want to talk to. I want
33:12
Speaker 10: to climb it because it represents one of the best
33:15
Speaker 10: pieces of the Australian landscape. You know, it's an icon
33:19
Speaker 10: of northern New South Wales. The views are outstanding. Every
33:22
Speaker 10: time I go up there now I'm just amazed at
33:24
Speaker 10: you know, walking through that beautiful rainforest after that summer
33:27
Speaker 10: and just gazing across to the east to the sun rise,
33:31
Speaker 10: to the ocean, and it's just an amazing experience that
33:33
Speaker 10: everyone should have a crack at.
33:37
Speaker 12: Well.
33:37
Speaker 2: Reading through the notice of the fine that you've been sent,
33:42
Speaker 2: I see that New Southwest Parks is it's finning you
33:45
Speaker 2: because the climb and I quote involved risk to yourself.
33:49
Speaker 5: What risk?
33:51
Speaker 10: Yes, that's one of the points I want to raise
33:54
Speaker 10: when I take this to court.
33:56
Speaker 1: Andrew.
33:56
Speaker 10: There's two reasons they tell me that it's closed. One
33:59
Speaker 10: is due to safety and the other one is due
34:01
Speaker 10: to the needs for ongoing stakeholder engagement with this secretive
34:06
Speaker 10: woolnd Be Consola Live group. From a safety point of view,
34:09
Speaker 10: I've done worse tracks around Sydney in the last six
34:12
Speaker 10: months that are a similar grade to the track up
34:14
Speaker 10: Mount Warning, So it's great as a Grade five track
34:17
Speaker 10: and in its current poor state, you know, there's been
34:20
Speaker 10: no maintenance on that track for four and a half
34:21
Speaker 10: the years. Now it's as just as good as some
34:25
Speaker 10: of the Grade five tracks around Sydney. So from my
34:28
Speaker 10: point of view, I can't see that there is a
34:30
Speaker 10: safety issue. And then in terms of the stakeholder engagement,
34:34
Speaker 10: this started in the early two thousands. They've had more
34:37
Speaker 10: than twenty years now to sort this out. They've had
34:40
Speaker 10: four and a half years over the COVID closure period
34:42
Speaker 10: to sort this out, and yet they want more time.
34:44
Speaker 1: They're asking for more time. When's this ever going to end?
34:48
Speaker 5: Now?
34:49
Speaker 2: I think you're absolutely wrong on the safety issue. I
34:52
Speaker 2: think it goes back to the way they said we
34:54
Speaker 2: needed the bands because if people transgressed than the secret
34:57
Speaker 2: men's business area there be health ramifications.
35:01
Speaker 5: I don't know whether you.
35:02
Speaker 2: Remember that, and that's what I think absolutely, but I
35:06
Speaker 2: might be wrong. Your court case will be fascinating.
35:12
Speaker 1: I might drop there tomorrow, Andrew, who knows.
35:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, who's well, let's see. So how you get
35:19
Speaker 2: you're going to fight it. You're not going to pay
35:21
Speaker 2: the fine? Did I get that right?
35:24
Speaker 1: That's correct.
35:25
Speaker 10: Look, I had a generous offer from Ben ben Fordham
35:27
Speaker 10: and actually did put some money in my bank account
35:29
Speaker 10: for the fight, and I'm going to use that money
35:30
Speaker 10: to travel up from Sydney to the wildn Bar Local
35:33
Speaker 10: Court to put my case to the judge. And there's
35:35
Speaker 10: a couple of reasons I think that I might have
35:38
Speaker 10: a case that that that might win. The first one
35:40
Speaker 10: is so this this fine is was something that happened
35:42
Speaker 10: in April. You know, they've taken now almost four months
35:45
Speaker 10: to issue this fine. On the day I admitted my
35:50
Speaker 10: guilt to the ranger. I'm a very honest person, Andrew,
35:52
Speaker 10: and as she asked me what I was doing, I
35:53
Speaker 10: told her exactly what I was doing, and I was.
35:54
Speaker 10: I was up there protesting and I was very unhappy
35:56
Speaker 10: with National Parks management of the place. You know, the
35:59
Speaker 10: damage done to the local business community, the damage they've
36:02
Speaker 10: done to the local community's mental health and physical health.
36:06
Speaker 1: I let her know why I was there. I even
36:08
Speaker 1: offered her a copy of my book.
36:09
Speaker 5: Too, But.
36:12
Speaker 10: And she directed me to leave the park. So I
36:15
Speaker 10: thought at the time that that was it, that that
36:17
Speaker 10: the direction to leave was going to be it. But now, coincidentally,
36:21
Speaker 10: just as we've organized our latest protest event, so on Saturday,
36:24
Speaker 10: we celebrated the ninety fifth anniversary of the opening of
36:28
Speaker 10: Mount Warning National Park. You know, it's something you might
36:30
Speaker 10: think that National Parks might want to get involved in
36:33
Speaker 10: and celebrate this wonderful place, but they weren't there. But
36:37
Speaker 10: just get coincidentally, this fine arrived just before I was
36:40
Speaker 10: about to depart from Sydney. So I think it was
36:41
Speaker 10: a bit of an attempt at instilling some fear and
36:44
Speaker 10: intimidating people to try and stop this event from going ahead.
36:48
Speaker 1: But look, it didn't work.
36:49
Speaker 5: You know, well I noticed I.
36:50
Speaker 1: Think the only mental scared at the end of the
36:52
Speaker 1: day were National Parks.
36:54
Speaker 2: Well they pointed, well, let's see what happens is some
36:57
Speaker 2: thousand dollars plus.
36:59
Speaker 5: But as you pointed out, I mean the whole idea
37:01
Speaker 5: that it's banned.
37:02
Speaker 2: You know, people been using it for years and years
37:04
Speaker 2: and years suddenly your ban and there's other elders that
37:07
Speaker 2: one point you've mentioned that said, what's the problem with
37:11
Speaker 2: climbing this mountain?
37:12
Speaker 5: What is the problem.
37:13
Speaker 2: There's a lot of reinvention, it seems to me going
37:15
Speaker 2: on here. I might be wrong, but the court case
37:18
Speaker 2: may well flush that out. Mark Hendrix, thank you so
37:21
Speaker 2: much for your time. After the break the sick bullying
37:25
Speaker 2: of a boxer at the Games, falsely called a cheat
37:28
Speaker 2: and transgender bully, the truth and Russian dirty work after this,
37:37
Speaker 2: you know, being shocked by the viciousness and the ignorance
37:40
Speaker 2: of the abuse of Algerian boxer Imani Calif of the
37:44
Speaker 2: Paris Olympics.
37:45
Speaker 5: She's a chief as a fake's transgender? A man kick
37:48
Speaker 5: her out? You take Harry Potter, author JK.
37:51
Speaker 2: Rowling who savage Keliev after she stopped an opponent in
37:54
Speaker 2: just forty six seconds with a punch in the face.
37:57
Speaker 2: Roland said, explain why you're okay with the man bidding
38:00
Speaker 2: women in public from the bullying cheat all the way
38:03
Speaker 2: up to the organizers allow this to happen. This is
38:06
Speaker 2: men reveling in their power over women. Except Khalif is
38:10
Speaker 2: not a chief. It's not transgender, she was born and
38:14
Speaker 2: raised the girl as and is instead a victim, it
38:16
Speaker 2: seems to me in part of the International Olympic Committee's
38:19
Speaker 2: cowardice and possibly the victim of Russian revenge. Khalif and
38:24
Speaker 2: Tamany's boxer Lynn Uting, who's also at the Games. We'll
38:27
Speaker 2: last year banned by the Russian based International Boxing Association
38:31
Speaker 2: after failing an unspecified and unpublished gender verification tests, apparently
38:37
Speaker 2: for the male x Y chromosome.
38:40
Speaker 17: When we did the test at the World Championships, the
38:42
Speaker 17: tests showed that these were men. It's sad when we
38:45
Speaker 17: shout to the whole world that we are four gender
38:47
Speaker 17: equality and the protection of women, and then they simply
38:50
Speaker 17: destroy women's sports.
38:53
Speaker 2: But these two boxes are allowed at these games. IOC
38:55
Speaker 2: spokesman Mark Adams yesterday suggested that Boxing Association Russian only
39:00
Speaker 2: tested Khalif in revenge for three days earlier beating a Russian.
39:06
Speaker 4: Those tests are not legitimate tests, but the very fact
39:10
Speaker 4: that the decision to do the testing was taken on
39:13
Speaker 4: the spot there under what purpose, under what the test
39:18
Speaker 4: was for for.
39:20
Speaker 2: The IOC's own rules for these games don't seem all
39:23
Speaker 2: that good either. A passport it seems is part proof
39:27
Speaker 2: that an athlete is a woman.
39:29
Speaker 18: We have her tool boxes, who were born as a woman,
39:35
Speaker 18: who have been raised as a woman, who have a
39:40
Speaker 18: passport as a woman.
39:43
Speaker 2: Now the IOC says, well, look, there's actually no one
39:45
Speaker 2: sex test everyone agrees with and they're humiliating anyway.
39:48
Speaker 12: But what about the female athletes who feel that they
39:51
Speaker 12: have been beaten.
39:52
Speaker 5: By a man.
39:53
Speaker 12: But let us stick to the known facts in this case, No,
39:57
Speaker 12: Khalif isn't transgender, she isn't a cheat, but is she
40:02
Speaker 12: a man? And even that's not clear. It seems that
40:05
Speaker 12: she and Lynn have what's called disorders and sex development,
40:08
Speaker 12: but which disorder we don't know. It could be spires, which.
40:13
Speaker 2: Means careleieve could still have all of a woman's reproductive organs, cervix,
40:18
Speaker 2: the whole thing except for ovaries, but no clear performance advantage.
40:23
Speaker 2: Or she could have five ird which means she looked
40:27
Speaker 2: female at birth but had internal testes and underwent male puberty,
40:30
Speaker 2: which gives her a man's strength, which, yes, that does
40:33
Speaker 2: seem an unfair advantage. But even then you got to
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Speaker 2: ask what unfair means because you look at Americans swimming
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Speaker 2: superstar Michael Phelps. He won twenty eight Olympic medals because
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Speaker 2: the nature gave him enormously long armed, short legs, double
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Speaker 2: jointed ankles, huge lungs in a body that produces half
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Speaker 2: the lactic acid of a typical athlete. Should he have
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Speaker 2: been banned as a freak of nature? Joining me is
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Speaker 2: the panel this storer of the late here on sky
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Speaker 2: Week Notes at ten pm and Stephen Travura and author
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Speaker 2: and senior lecturer in history at Campion College.
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Speaker 12: Stephen, should these two boxes be banned?
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Speaker 19: Probably to be honest, So I'm going to take a
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Speaker 19: slightly contrary view. Now, you're right, obviously about the IOC
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Speaker 19: being utterly cowardly and jumping on a politically correct bandwagon
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Speaker 19: not wanting to sex test athletes because they say it's discriminatory,
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Speaker 19: But had they done proper tests, and they used to
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Speaker 19: do them, and the tests that they used to do
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Speaker 19: was for testosterone, and what we base what we know
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Speaker 19: is that there are certain testosterone limits that no women
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Speaker 19: can exceed, and women with the highest level of in
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Speaker 19: ranged testosterone for women still generally have less testosterone than
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Speaker 19: the lowest level testosterone men.
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Speaker 1: Now, just the day, if we don't know that these
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Speaker 1: two women have.
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Speaker 5: Higher testosterone. We don't know that.
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Speaker 19: The day after Kalief, what's the ban for the day
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Speaker 19: after Khalif won her first fight, the IOC scrubbed from
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Speaker 19: their website that Khalif tested high t high testosterone. You
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Speaker 19: can be high testosterone for two reasons. Either you're taking
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Speaker 19: drugs or you're a man. I think what we're going
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Speaker 19: to find is that Khalif was born with internal tests
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Speaker 19: which produce high levels of male testosterone. She has muscular
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Speaker 19: scalito structure of a man x y chromosomes.
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Speaker 1: I think that's what we're going to find out.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you want to ban because we don't know that,
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Speaker 2: which does seem to be fair. Liz is not knowing
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Speaker 2: a good enough reason to ban the two boxes before
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Speaker 2: tests are done. I do believe tests should be done,
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Speaker 2: proper tests, but they haven't been, and I don't think
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Speaker 2: they deserve to be called jeets.
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Speaker 8: Well, the egg is all over the IOC's face at
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Speaker 8: the moment, Andrew, which is why I don't buy for
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Speaker 8: a minute. Then waiting on until now, waiting until this
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Speaker 8: point in the games where these two boxes have seen
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Speaker 8: worldwide recognition. This story has gone absolutely viral that potentially
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Speaker 8: biological men have been allowed to compete against biological women.
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Speaker 8: At no point in society has domestic violence and male
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Speaker 8: violence against women been in the spotlight to the extent
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Speaker 8: that it is in twenty twenty four. And here it
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Speaker 8: seems the Olympics decided to make it a spectator sport.
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Speaker 8: So simply getting up and saying, oh.
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Speaker 1: We don't know.
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Speaker 8: You're the IOC. It's your job to find out.
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Speaker 1: No, we don't know.
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Speaker 8: And that's what I'm saying, is unacceptable the IOC.
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Speaker 9: The IOC should have found out.
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Speaker 18: That is their job.
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Speaker 5: They should have found out. Okay, they should have found out.
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Speaker 2: We're agreed there. I don't believe in the passport test.
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Speaker 2: But to just simply say it's a man bashing a woman,
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Speaker 2: we don't know that. Even if if there is some
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Speaker 2: genetic disorder, which you know, it's just say got it,
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Speaker 2: have got to X Y chromson something like that, that's
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Speaker 2: still not enough. It's too simplistic.
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Speaker 8: I do agree with you on that. However, when the
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Speaker 8: IBA made this ruling and these two boxes were banned
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Speaker 8: due to the IBA's ruling, and let's be clear, the
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Speaker 8: IBA weren't That wasn't a testosterone test, it was a
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Speaker 8: chromosome test. And so for the IOC to come out
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Speaker 8: and say, well, we don't recognize those tests as legitimate.
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Speaker 8: Fair enough, run your own, that's your job, you're the IOC,
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Speaker 8: and we want chromosome tests because if indeed these two
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Speaker 8: individuals do have DSD as you suggest, and they may
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Speaker 8: well do, that is something that ought to be taken
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Speaker 8: into consideration. In twenty sixteen, at the Rio Games, the
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Speaker 8: winners of the women's eight hundred meter track, both gold, silver,
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Speaker 8: and bronze went to individuals with DSD and that was
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Speaker 8: only discovered three years later. So we cannot have people
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Speaker 8: who may well have DSD legitimately not just being picked
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Speaker 8: up on by the system, and then biological women who
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Speaker 8: don't have the shall we say advantages that perhaps being
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Speaker 8: born with DSD gives someone losing to those individuals. And lastly,
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Speaker 8: on this Andrew, when those two boxes were banned by
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Speaker 8: the IBA, Okay, let's say the tests will illegitimate. Why
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Speaker 8: did those two boxes not appeal that decision? Because there
45:35
Speaker 8: are certain bodies in sporting, well you can appeal that too,
45:40
Speaker 8: because if someone accused me of being a male, I
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Speaker 8: would more than happily appeal every avenue available to me.
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Speaker 2: We don't know, and in the absence of not knowing,
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to make a fast conclusion. I agree
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Speaker 2: the test should have been done by the IOC, but
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Speaker 2: I don't agree is that these women should be paraded
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Speaker 2: around the world. Well, there's examples of transgender which is
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Speaker 2: clearly false, of cheats of men when we don't know,
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Speaker 2: it must be so humiliating for them. I noticed that
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Speaker 2: one of the boxes cried at the end of the
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Speaker 2: last bout under the pressure. I just think back off.
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Speaker 2: Put the heat on the IOC to get proper testing.
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Speaker 2: But let's not savage to women that you mentioned advantage
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Speaker 2: of being born with the DFD. This must be the
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Speaker 2: only advantage in their lives of having been born with
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Speaker 2: the disorder so catastrophically in so many other areas. To
46:33
Speaker 2: another topic, I had no idea. I had no idea
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Speaker 2: of Steve. This work was still going on nearly two
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Speaker 2: years after the end of the COVID lockdowns. But the
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Speaker 2: new South Walest premier has finally told news told public
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Speaker 2: servants there that's it. No more of this blanket working
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Speaker 2: from home back to the office.
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Speaker 5: Guys. Fair enough.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to be contrarian again.
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Speaker 19: I think if it's monsterive that production has gone down
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Speaker 19: because of working from home, then absolutely, But there are
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Speaker 19: a lot of advantages to working from home.
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Speaker 1: It gives a better family life balance.
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Speaker 19: You're not wasting anywhere between an hour to three hours
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Speaker 19: in transit every day.
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Speaker 1: It's just good for your lifestyle.
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Speaker 19: It's also allowed a lot of people to actually buy
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Speaker 19: homes because they don't live close to the city anymore, because.
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Speaker 1: They can make a living at home.
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Speaker 19: So look, if productivity has gone down, then that's unacceptable.
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Speaker 1: We need people back into the city.
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Speaker 19: But if it hasn't, and this is just about businesses
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Speaker 19: in the city wanted to get business back, or other
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Speaker 19: people being sore because they can't work at home, I
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Speaker 19: actually don't think that's a good enough reason.
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Speaker 2: He does say the premius is there can be exemptions,
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Speaker 2: but they have to be faired income exemptions.
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Speaker 5: Liz, what do you make of it?
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Speaker 8: I think the state can go jump Andrew. They're the
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Speaker 8: ones who started this, locking up millions of people in
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Speaker 8: their homes for years on end. People learned to have
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Speaker 8: a greater work life balance, People started spending a bit
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Speaker 8: more time with kids, like Steve says, that's three hours
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Speaker 8: you get back sometimes every single day. Just by virtue
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Speaker 8: of not happening to commute all the time, some people
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Speaker 8: found a lot more time to do some daily exercise,
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Speaker 8: get in some meditation.
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Speaker 2: Unless it can be proved that.
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Speaker 8: These people aren't smashing their KPIs, why not let them
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Speaker 8: work from home? And of course the state has a
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Speaker 8: vested interest in getting them back to work. They want
48:28
Speaker 8: to see those people back on public transport. They want
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Speaker 8: to see those people making the most out of the
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Speaker 8: cafes et cetera in the CBD and elsewhere. So we
48:37
Speaker 8: understand the perks for the state of people not being
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Speaker 8: able to work at home. But basically, when it comes
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Speaker 8: to this issue, I'm just like you guys started it,
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Speaker 8: people discovered that they really like this, and as much
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Speaker 8: as the premiere can now issue, there's.
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Speaker 2: Eating that's post paying for it. Liz, Yeah, expose of
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Speaker 2: paying for this, don't forget. And I noticed that it's
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Speaker 2: the public servants that are doing this mostly not people
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Speaker 2: in private enterprise. Must report to someone who's going to
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Speaker 2: lose money if they get this wrong. So I wonder
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Speaker 2: what's really going on here? Just quickly Stephen. The decision
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Speaker 2: today to raise a terrorism threat tore probable because of
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Speaker 2: more Australians radicalizing, more Astrains becoming intolerant, more Astrains thinking
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Speaker 2: violence is okay.
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Speaker 5: What do you make of all this?
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Speaker 19: Like I said on your program many times at Route,
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Speaker 19: this is an immigration problem. We're talking about responses to
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Speaker 19: events going on in the Middle East. Why is anyone
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Speaker 19: in Australia threatening to be violent or being radicalized by
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Speaker 19: events going on in the Middle East? Because we have
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Speaker 19: created large immigrant communities that are very insular, that shape
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Speaker 19: people's identity more than it is being shaped by mainstream Australia.
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Speaker 19: And that's not against individual immigrants or immigration per se.
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Speaker 19: It's just against a very irresponsible immigration system which has
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Speaker 19: led us to many of the social divisions that we
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Speaker 19: have today, which seem almost impossible to fix.
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Speaker 2: Now hm, No, of course we're only talking about a minority.
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Speaker 2: I'm from an immigrant family myself, But there you go.
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Speaker 2: I think we've got to face facts. Some facts to you,
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Speaker 2: Steve Travera, Liz Sorry, thank you both for your time.
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Speaker 2: That's it from me now, Sherry Markson good Night,