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With Great Power #297... 22 Panels with Shelly & Philip Bond · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:00
  Shelly Bond: Not gonna happen on International Clash Day.
• 0:04
  Tad Eggleston: No interesting things about International Clash Day? I thought that guaranteed interesting things.
• 0:12
  Shelly Bond: Just trying to be ironic.
• 0:14
  Tad Eggleston: Well, that's true. Okay. So, we just started, so, so, so good evening, everybody. Welcome back to 22 Panels. My, my guests tonight are Shelly and Philip Bond. I think this is actually the first time I've had the two of you on together. I've had you…
• 0:30
  Shelly Bond: That's impossible. You think?
• 0:32
  Shelly Bond: I think we were on together during Geezer, although I think that Philip was in the upstairs studio.
• 0:38
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe.
• 0:39
  Shelly Bond: We were being.
• 0:39
  Tad Eggleston: I… I know that at least one of the times he came on for Geezer, it was just with…
• 0:47
  Tad Eggleston: with, Will.
• 0:49
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. So, yeah.
• 0:52
  Shelly Bond: There have been 3 issues of Geezer still available.
• 0:54
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 0:54
  Shelly Bond: Register.press.
• 0:56
  Tad Eggleston: That's right.
• 0:57
  Shelly Bond: For all your breadpop needs.
• 0:59
  Tad Eggleston: Or even if you… even just your comic book needs.
• 1:03
  Shelly Bond: Yes.
• 1:04
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's not required to be a Britpop. It helps to be a Britpop fan.
• 1:08
  Shelly Bond: Just general cultural…
• 1:09
  Tad Eggleston: But you can thoroughly enjoy Geezer with no knowledge of Britpop.
• 1:14
  Shelly Bond: But if you like K-pop, especially K-pop Demon Hunters, you might like Geezer.
• 1:19
  Tad Eggleston: You know? That's the way to… that's definitely the way to drive your sales.
• 1:25
  Shelly Bond: Yeah, we're gonna do, like, the anime version.
• 1:27
  Tad Eggleston: K-Pop Demon Hunters is exactly like Britpop, and you need to buy Geezer.
• 1:33
  Tad Eggleston: And I love your cat.
• 1:36
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know if I've met your cat before.
• 1:38
  Shelly Bond: We have two kids, well…
• 1:41
  Shelly Bond: They're troublemakers, they're gonna ruin this interview, so if we say something embarrassing, we can blame it on one or both of them.
• 1:50
  Tad Eggleston: I'm always… I'm always blaming things on Eddie.
• 1:54
  Tad Eggleston: The other three cats are well-behaved, but Eddie is… is… is the devil, and he's… he's the one that's in the 22 Panels logo now, because he…
• 2:04
  Shelly Bond: Named after Eddie Van Helen, I imagine.
• 2:07
  Tad Eggleston: No, actually, my wife names animals after artists and…
• 2:13
  Tad Eggleston: and, foods, so his full name is Edgar Gala Apple, after Edgar Degas.
• 2:21
  Tad Eggleston: Dala Apples.
• 2:24
  Shelly Bond: Alright, fair enough.
• 2:26
  Tad Eggleston: Nope.
• 2:27
  Shelly Bond: Okay.
• 2:27
  Tad Eggleston: So… Eddie.
• 2:29
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 2:29
  Shelly Bond: After Ed was taken out. So.
• 2:32
  Tad Eggleston: First, obviously, we need to… we need to plug…
• 2:36
  Tad Eggleston: the… the… I think you dropped the ball on making it 100 FAQ rather than 101, but… but you have corrected me, so the 100 frequently asked questions in comics. Give me your pitch, Shelly.
• 2:52
  Shelly Bond: Well, why do you think I dropped the ball by not…
• 2:55
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know, 101 just seems cooler.
• 2:59
  Shelly Bond: 1016…
• 3:00
  Tad Eggleston: That's like your introductory class, it's like your, you know.
• 3:04
  Shelly Bond: Well, we did use, we did use 101 for when you did the filth and grammar classes online.
• 3:11
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, okay.
• 3:12
  Shelly Bond: We did use… we did call that Filth and Grammar 101, actually. Haha. See? So there. But, you know, the reason why we said 100 is because Kickstarter has a Make100.
• 3:24
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, okay.
• 3:25
  Shelly Bond: Every January, and we've wanted to do this for a couple of years, and…
• 3:30
  Shelly Bond: not that we always have to do our crowdfunding on Kickstarter, but it's worked well for us for the past 10 years, and it seemed like a good idea, and it's easy to wrap your head around 100.
• 3:42
  Shelly Bond: 101, there's a cuteness to it, but I think 100 was pretty solid, and it gave us a hard out.
• 3:51
  Tad Eggleston: syndromes.
• 3:52
  Tad Eggleston: That's just… I'm… I like palindromes.
• 3:55
  Shelly Bond: Well, that doesn't surprise me, knowing you, Matt.
• 4:01
  Shelly Bond: But…
• 4:01
  Tad Eggleston: So 202 would have worked for me, too.
• 4:04
  Shelly Bond: Alright, well, why don't you write 202 FAQs? I feel like a palindrome of 101 FAQ would be Quaff 101. Which isn't bad. It sounds like there would be, like, a free hairstyling guide in the back of the book. Alright. Hey, amateur, how to cut your… how to cut your bangs.
• 4:22
  Tad Eggleston: See?
• 4:23
  Shelly Bond: Right?
• 4:24
  Tad Eggleston: We make a good team, Shelly.
• 4:27
  Shelly Bond: That won't.
• 4:28
  Tad Eggleston: I say… I ask crazy questions, and you come up with good ideas from this.
• 4:32
  Shelly Bond: Listen, I… I sell it like I see it, and I've said it's 100 of the most
• 4:40
  Shelly Bond: asked questions in my time making comics, from when I was an editorial ingenue answering phones at Comiko, to teaching comics editing. So, it's questions from, that run the gamut, from
• 4:55
  Shelly Bond: artists and creators I've worked with, to students I've met, to people I meet at conventions, to the guy sitting to my right, who sometimes has questions about my editing style, and whether I'm gonna stop taking stock in red pens, and the answer to that is no.
• 5:14
  Shelly Bond: Never.
• 5:16
  Shelly Bond: So it's the weird ones, and it's also the basics, so you, Tad, can avoid the blunders when you and Eddie decide to finally make your own zine or comic book.
• 5:25
  Tad Eggleston: I'll do my best.
• 5:27
  Tad Eggleston: But, the blunders are what makes it fun, Shelly.
• 5:30
  Shelly Bond: I agree. I agree. It's rolling up your sleeves and getting…
• 5:33
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I think half of the fun of the book is that, like, you get to see.
• 5:38
  Shelly Bond: What people are asking, and what… what blunders other people are making.
• 5:43
  Tad Eggleston: Absolutely.
• 5:44
  Shelly Bond: And most of the best… the best answers involve somebody making a blunder at some point in order to find
• 5:51
  Shelly Bond: The right way to go.
• 5:53
  Shelly Bond: And it's usually… it's a matter of taste and style, because as we know, art is subjective. Yeah. So one person's fine art is another person's garbage, and we just all have to admit that urgent art is…
• 6:10
  Shelly Bond: so important.
• 6:12
  Shelly Bond: means something different to everyone, and I'm hoping that this book is the kind of thing you're gonna put on your bookshelf, Ted, right next to the Black Crown Omnibus, Fast Times and Comic Book Editing, Art Spiegelman's breakdowns.
• 6:27
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I doubt that.
• 6:28
  Shelly Bond: all the comics and hardcovers, the Best of Punk Magazine, All those wonderful things.
• 6:36
  Tad Eggleston: Hi, doppelganger. It's still at my bedside.
• 6:39
  Shelly Bond: Tad is forgetting that this is an audio podcast only.
• 6:42
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that was for you.
• 6:43
  Shelly Bond: He keeps thinking he's on video, and he's just totally trying to kiss my butt again by showing Phillip and I that he backed every…
• 6:52
  Tad Eggleston: Which we appreciate. If I wanted to go that far, I would, like, have gone and dug up heavy rotation or something.
• 6:59
  Shelly Bond: Or you would just… you would have been having a seance, and you would have brought Joe Strummer onto the show today.
• 7:05
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I tried. I did. I did try.
• 7:08
  Tad Eggleston: It didn't work. I'm not good at seances.
• 7:11
  Shelly Bond: Well, maybe you need to do 101 FAQs. Probably busy today.
• 7:17
  Tad Eggleston: I did… I did ask you a Joe Stromer-related question, even before… even before I knew it was Clash Day.
• 7:24
  Shelly Bond: We should get… we should get to that later, but Philip just came up with something profound.
• 7:29
  Shelly Bond: Please repeat what you just said. You said that you thought Joe Strummer would be exceptionally busy today. Yeah, he's probably got a, like, full calendar today. Because? Because it's International Class Day!
• 7:42
  Shelly Bond: And one of us out of three came dressed for International Clash Day. Guess who it is not? Guess who is not dressed appropriately?
• 7:51
  Shelly Bond: I'm not, no. And?
• 7:53
  Tad Eggleston: I'm not.
• 7:54
  Shelly Bond: Okay.
• 7:55
  Tad Eggleston: I got Paul McCartney on.
• 7:57
  Shelly Bond: Oh, that… does not qualify as anything substantial in my book, no offense.
• 8:05
  Tad Eggleston: It's the Simpsons version.
• 8:07
  Shelly Bond: Yeah, I… I have… I have Combat Rock in my heart.
• 8:11
  Shelly Bond: I did.
• 8:12
  Tad Eggleston: Listen to Live Clash from the time you told me it was International Class Day until…
• 8:18
  Tad Eggleston: I stopped listening to music today.
• 8:20
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 8:21
  Shelly Bond: Right.
• 8:22
  Shelly Bond: And…
• 8:24
  Tad Eggleston: And… from Bonds Casino in New York.
• 8:28
  Shelly Bond: Whoa.
• 8:29
  Shelly Bond: That's hardcore.
• 8:32
  Tad Eggleston: That's like…
• 8:33
  Shelly Bond: That was my dream, to, like, be one of those kids that got in the back door of that show.
• 8:39
  Tad Eggleston: True story, I'll make it quick. Those shows. There were 11 of them.
• 8:43
  Shelly Bond: Right?
• 8:45
  Shelly Bond: First of all… What is this?
• 8:48
  Tad Eggleston: 1?
• 8:49
  Tad Eggleston: I thought it was late 70s.
• 8:51
  Shelly Bond: It was 79. I want to just tell you a quick story, it's a true story. You were there? No. No, I said I wasn't there. I said I wanted to be one of the kids
• 9:01
  Shelly Bond: who actually got to sneak in through the stage door. Oh, it's like… it's one of those, here's an interesting story about me. That really happened. I was really fascinated by this story. It's a true story. Philip might not believe it, but we have a terrific little used record shop in our town called Atomic Records.
• 9:20
  Shelly Bond: And one day, I was in there, and there was this, like, massive box of free Clash
• 9:27
  Shelly Bond: CDs, tapes, paraphernalia. And I was…
• 9:32
  Shelly Bond: flipping out. I was just, like, over the moon, and there were two other people standing next to me, and we're all kind of digging in, but not, you know, crazy.
• 9:41
  Shelly Bond: being pleasant about it, and the owner of the shop said, this box was just donated by someone I met over the years from being, like, friends with a Clash-type fan club, and I'm like, wow, that's so cool. And he said, yeah, I'm one of the kids who can honestly say.
• 9:58
  Shelly Bond: that Joe Strummer really did open up the stage doors and let underage kids in to see their shows. He's like, I will never forget that. He's like, I was 17… or not 17, I was 14, and I…
• 10:11
  Shelly Bond: I just wanted to go to the show, I couldn't afford it, and a bunch of us were just hanging out by the stage door, and I was one of those kids, so it's a true story.
• 10:20
  Shelly Bond: I'm serious! You guys, there was so…
• 10:22
  Tad Eggleston: I believe it, I believe it. I'm mostly getting lost because I'm looking at the website for Atomic Records right now, and it looks like a beautiful, beautiful record store, and I want to go now.
• 10:33
  Shelly Bond: It's cool, and I've got…
• 10:35
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, no.
• 10:35
  Shelly Bond: pretty great bargains there. Philip is not sure if that's a true story, but I'm gonna take him over there tonight, and I'm gonna say…
• 10:43
  Tad Eggleston: It feels very… it feels very Joe Stromer.
• 10:46
  Tad Eggleston: It feels very Joe Stormer. He didn't like rules.
• 10:49
  Shelly Bond: Right. Yeah.
• 10:51
  Shelly Bond: Yeah.
• 10:52
  Shelly Bond: For the kids. Yeah, right? Yeah, for the kids.
• 10:56
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and he needed backup singers if they played career opportunities.
• 11:00
  Shelly Bond: Right? Oh my god, there were so many songs, like, where they would bring in the… Child choir.
• 11:08
  Shelly Bond: Anyway, Shelly…
• 11:10
  Shelly Bond: Yep. Tell us, what's your favorite question in your new book? Oh, God, a favorite question. That's my favorite question. You know, I'm tired of that old chestnut. How do you break into comics? And I know that will be the number one question of all time until the end of time.
• 11:29
  Shelly Bond: So, I guess.
• 11:30
  Tad Eggleston: That wasn't even the one I was thinking of.
• 11:32
  Shelly Bond: Really?
• 11:32
  Tad Eggleston: I was thinking, since you said it went from your time answering the phones at Kamiko all the way through.
• 11:39
  Tad Eggleston: Like, what number does… does… how do you pronounce Kamiko come in?
• 11:44
  Shelly Bond: Oh, well, you know, Tad, you know, as a backer of every book that we've put out on Kickstarter… Has that story's been in every book. No, that story's been in Fast Times, but I know that's Tad's favorite story of all time.
• 11:58
  Shelly Bond: That…
• 11:59
  Tad Eggleston: This is my favorite story of all time, but I'm…
• 12:02
  Shelly Bond: That's not what you said, what?
• 12:03
  Tad Eggleston: I'm very, very literal, so when you say frequently asked questions, I'm assuming that you, like, counted, and that's gotta be one of the most asked questions.
• 12:13
  Shelly Bond: There are a lot of questions that fell by the wayside.
• 12:17
  Tad Eggleston: Because, like, everybody who called asked that question.
• 12:19
  Shelly Bond: Right? No, fair enough, fair enough. I think everybody wants to know how to break into… Yeah, I mean, most people just call Kamiko Comico, and they don't care about it, because they've never heard of it.
• 12:29
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 12:30
  Shelly Bond: It's people like you, if you're over a certain age, and I'm not saying you're…
• 12:35
  Shelly Bond: anywhere close to our age range, Tad, but.
• 12:38
  Tad Eggleston: I have grandchildren.
• 12:39
  Shelly Bond: You're getting up there.
• 12:41
  Tad Eggleston: I have grandchildren, so, like, I don't… yeah.
• 12:44
  Shelly Bond: But most people don't care about comics history, and to be fair, neither did I back in the day, when I.
• 12:50
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 12:50
  Shelly Bond: their age. I must have mispronounced it Kamiko, though. Even, like, nobody ever… nobody ever said it to me. I just, like, picked it up in a comic book store, and it read Kamiko. You're a proper Englishman, come on, that's why.
• 13:05
  Tad Eggleston: That, that…
• 13:06
  Shelly Bond: student of grammar and syntax, come on.
• 13:09
  Tad Eggleston: See, the proper Englishman actually does lead to one of the questions that, since I don't remember having the two of you together, and I certainly haven't had the two of you where I wasn't wanting to share time with Will, like…
• 13:23
  Tad Eggleston: Phil, did you move to the United States for Shelly, or were you here before you guys got together?
• 13:30
  Shelly Bond: What kind of weird question is that?
• 13:32
  Tad Eggleston: That, that's a, that's a… you're a fantastic relationship.
• 13:35
  Shelly Bond: Gotcha.
• 13:35
  Tad Eggleston: how you fell in love with him because he drew your favorite issue of, I mean, that's how you always tell it.
• 13:43
  Shelly Bond: Right. Change of Man.
• 13:45
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, the changing man, so, so, like, so, so I, I want, I want to know the Phil and Shelley story.
• 13:51
  Shelly Bond: Oh, boy. No, we, we.
• 13:54
  Tad Eggleston: Because you haven't made it a comic yet.
• 13:55
  Shelly Bond: We started kind of dating, like, after a convention in the UK. It was in Manchester, wasn't it? Yeah. Is that the one in Manchester?
• 14:07
  Shelly Bond: That was, like, during the summer, I think, and we sort of just, like, hit it off, and we decided to, like, give it a try. So there was a… there were a few months of back and forth, but sort of…
• 14:19
  Shelly Bond: by the end of… by the end of that year, I'd… I'd moved over.
• 14:24
  Shelly Bond: Yeah, but the true story, which involves Bowie, and I feel like I must have told you this, Tad.
• 14:30
  Shelly Bond: No, it's true. I was supposed to go to Berlin.
• 14:33
  Shelly Bond: Dirt back trip. This is one detail of the true story. It's an interesting one, because I always wanted to go to Berlin. I was supposed to trace Bowie's footsteps when he made the Berlin trilogy, and I…
• 14:44
  Shelly Bond: I couldn't wait to go, and I was gonna be on my own, and for some reason, there was some unrest there, for whatever reason, and my dad called me at the hotel, which scared the hell out of me. He called me at my hotel.
• 14:56
  Shelly Bond: And he said, I have a really bad feeling about this, don't go. And if you know how I talk about my dad, like, you know, you don't…
• 15:04
  Shelly Bond: say no to my dad, and especially when he's kind of a little bit, like, worried about something. And it really pissed me off, and I wish she wouldn't have gotten ahold of me, because I would have just gone to Berlin, and we probably wouldn't be here, had that been the case. So we are going to say my dad brought us together, because I slammed the phone down.
• 15:23
  Shelly Bond: And when I slammed the phone down and said, okay, I won't go to Berlin, I thought, well, what else am I gonna do now? Because…
• 15:30
  Shelly Bond: I got, like, at least another 4 or 5 days.
• 15:33
  Shelly Bond: in Europe, and that's when I said, oh, I'm gonna go to London, who can I hang out with? And that's when I called this guy.
• 15:40
  Shelly Bond: not you, Tad, meaning the guy to my right, Phillip.
• 15:43
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw the thumb. Right? For those listening at home, she pointed a thumb at Philip, not at me.
• 15:49
  Shelly Bond: I wasn't trying to imply that Tad and I had an almost romance.
• 15:54
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, Kelly would be upset if she heard that.
• 15:56
  Shelly Bond: Yeah, so would… so would Eddie. I mean, come on, let's be serious, and the good cats.
• 16:01
  Shelly Bond: But… and Phillip, my God, you'd have to hope that they're gonna keep the door open at Atomic Records tonight so he could sneak in and have some shelter.
• 16:11
  Shelly Bond: But I had the balls for some reason to call Philip and say, hey, I was supposed to be in Berlin, but now I'm gonna be in England for, like, the next 4 days with nothing to do. Wanna meet up?
• 16:23
  Shelly Bond: And we did. And I was in London, and we met halfway from Worthing to London, and we had a picnic.
• 16:30
  Shelly Bond: In an area that I swear looked exactly like a scene in The Invisibles.
• 16:36
  Tad Eggleston: Nice.
• 16:36
  Shelly Bond: Yeah, yeah. Which is why we're also convinced that Grant is responsible for our happy marriage in some way.
• 16:45
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I've heard he's a wizard.
• 16:47
  Shelly Bond: I think we actually went to a tea shop. It could have been, like, a scene out of, Kill Your Boyfriend.
• 16:54
  Tad Eggleston: It was a bit of both, and I…
• 16:57
  Shelly Bond: I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised because…
• 17:00
  Shelly Bond: Grant often told me things when I worked with him as editor to writer on The Invisibles, he often told me things that he was predicting based on the white magic that he was practicing, and some of those things involved me, so there you go. Here it is.
• 17:17
  Tad Eggleston: I love it.
• 17:18
  Shelly Bond: 25 and a half.
• 17:19
  Tad Eggleston: I love it.
• 17:19
  Shelly Bond: later, right?
• 17:22
  Shelly Bond: Those stories.
• 17:23
  Tad Eggleston: 25 and a half good years, because you still… you guys still laugh with each other.
• 17:28
  Tad Eggleston: I, and I, I, I…
• 17:29
  Shelly Bond: Mostly.
• 17:30
  Tad Eggleston: Well, that too, but I mean, that's…
• 17:32
  Shelly Bond: We still create with each other, that's the… that's the.
• 17:35
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 17:36
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, every once in a while, people create with each other when they hate each other. I mean, I was just listening to a thing on Fleetwood Max.
• 17:44
  Shelly Bond: Rumors album. Yeah, it's not that kind of situation. Right.
• 17:51
  Tad Eggleston: Actually, it was Cameron Crowe's book, because Cameron Crowe was in the room for part of that.
• 17:57
  Tad Eggleston: Did you get… get a chance to look at his Bowie chapters? They're phenomenal.
• 18:02
  Shelly Bond: Listen, you've recommended it to me, what, like, 6 days ago?
• 18:06
  Tad Eggleston: It might have been 8.
• 18:07
  Shelly Bond: books to make. Some of us have 100 questions.
• 18:10
  Tad Eggleston: We know down.
• 18:11
  Shelly Bond: from 101.
• 18:13
  Tad Eggleston: That's what… that's what audiobooks are for.
• 18:18
  Shelly Bond: Oh, so you read… listen to someone else's book while you're writing your own, yeah.
• 18:23
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I guess that doesn't work as well.
• 18:25
  Shelly Bond: Oh, God, I…
• 18:26
  Tad Eggleston: Well, actually, that's a good question. Do you have your…
• 18:29
  Shelly Bond: What's that next? Yeah. My god.
• 18:34
  Tad Eggleston: how did you… how did you whittle down the hundred questions? Did… did you… did you have… I mean, because I… I…
• 18:41
  Tad Eggleston: Again, I'm autistic. I make lists. And some days, I, like, go, oh, I'm gonna put together a list of 100, and I start with 300, and I have to whittle it down. And other days, I decide it's gonna be 100, and I get to, like, 70, and I gotta start, like.
• 18:57
  Tad Eggleston: really working to get that next 30. So, so how did it work here?
• 19:01
  Shelly Bond: Yeah, well, firstly, it hasn't yet. Well, that's not true. We have… because we have about 350. The truth of the matter is, for me.
• 19:09
  Shelly Bond: when I… when I think about projects like this.
• 19:13
  Shelly Bond: as soon as I break them down into chapters, it makes it easier, because you can actually… you can have a rhythm and a flow to the whole book, so…
• 19:22
  Shelly Bond: I talked to Philip about the idea I had of actually just taking the obvious linear steps to making comics.
• 19:31
  Shelly Bond: and break down everything into 5 chapters with approximately 20 questions each. Because some of them, one might have a few more, one might have a few less, but… Are you gonna mess with me like that? I'm gonna mess with you like that, but I'm gonna tell you, it's gonna be worth it. So you have…
• 19:48
  Shelly Bond: First chapter about idea and story. Second chapter is about art. Third chapter is about ballooning, lettering, and coloring, because those are areas that are usually short-changed.
• 20:02
  Shelly Bond: in any conversation or in any book about making comics, they never seem to get as much of a deep dive.
• 20:09
  Shelly Bond: After that, we've got proofreading, production, and printing, and then the big number 5, the one that I think most people need to know about industry in air quotes, because I think comics are a hobby now, but that's another conversation, Todd. Industry and professionalism.
• 20:28
  Shelly Bond: these are the things that are gonna make or break you in terms of kind of fitting into the business, or maybe actually finding a community to work with, because you know how it goes. You can be the greatest artist, you can be the smartest kid in the room, but if you're a jerk.
• 20:46
  Shelly Bond: Don't… don't even look at me again. Go away. I don't have time for you.
• 20:50
  Tad Eggleston: There's not enough money in comics to be a jerk.
• 20:53
  Shelly Bond: Right?
• 20:53
  Tad Eggleston: I mean… I mean, obviously, we have a handful of, of, of…
• 21:00
  Tad Eggleston: counterexamples to this, but I know I've said it to you before, that, like.
• 21:05
  Tad Eggleston: If you're working collaboratively, there's not enough money to go around for anybody willing to work with you if you're a jerk. And if you're working solo, you have to hand-sell things, so if you're a jerk, people won't buy from you.
• 21:17
  Shelly Bond: Right? Why should they? No one has any money right now.
• 21:23
  Tad Eggleston: Everybody is depressed and angry with the state.
• 21:27
  Shelly Bond: of the world.
• 21:28
  Shelly Bond: You know, the best thing we can do is put our rage and our anger and our disappointment
• 21:35
  Shelly Bond: our global…
• 21:36
  Tad Eggleston: Appointment.
• 21:37
  Shelly Bond: Into comics.
• 21:39
  Shelly Bond: And either make comics that are cathartic, that we can just get everything off our chest, or do the opposite. Make comics that are so fantastic and fun that you're escaping into the pages, because that's what I live to do.
• 21:55
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 21:56
  Shelly Bond: Someone's looking at me like, what? I tried Cliff Baked Chocolate cake.
• 22:01
  Tad Eggleston: So, so how do you plan to…
• 22:05
  Tad Eggleston: Structure the book, because anytime you do something
• 22:09
  Tad Eggleston: nonfiction, and particularly something like this, where you're starting from questions, like, you…
• 22:16
  Tad Eggleston: The tendency is often to go, like, the Scott McCloud understanding comics, talking head type.
• 22:23
  Shelly Bond: Nope.
• 22:24
  Tad Eggleston: Bing.
• 22:25
  Shelly Bond: But…
• 22:26
  Tad Eggleston: there… there are a million other interesting ways, so do you have a specific way that you're planning to structure it, or is it going to change question to question?
• 22:36
  Shelly Bond: No, because we're thinking about you, and we know how you like to have a pattern. And also, it's why I've brought in this guy to my right, because…
• 22:45
  Shelly Bond: You marry your favorite artist, you don't want anyone else
• 22:49
  Shelly Bond: to do the illustrations to accompany the hopefully clever banter and useful information. So, having Philip
• 23:00
  Shelly Bond: Either draw something that runs counter to my answers, or that's a nice visual accompaniment.
• 23:07
  Shelly Bond: to what I'm espousing.
• 23:10
  Shelly Bond: to the world at large, that's the trick up my sleeve that I've had in making this book really cool.
• 23:17
  Shelly Bond: It's…
• 23:17
  Tad Eggleston: See, I just heard that you were gonna have a conversation with me, so I'm waiting to see how Philip draws me.
• 23:22
  Shelly Bond: No, that's not gonna… I'm sorry. Maybe one day, maybe not… not in the next year. We've got a couple of issues of Geezer to get to, too, after this as well. But I think the thing about this kind of book, Tad, it's…
• 23:35
  Shelly Bond: It's gonna have the Q&A and spot illustrations, and there will be a few comics, but they will be short comics, like strips.
• 23:43
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 23:44
  Shelly Bond: four panels.
• 23:44
  Tad Eggleston: So it's gonna be… it's gonna be more spot illustration than… than…
• 23:48
  Shelly Bond: Yeah, it's got demonstrations and… and some interesting diagrams. I'm looking forward.
• 23:53
  Tad Eggleston: I love diagrams.
• 23:55
  Shelly Bond: Well, actually, our stretch goal right now, Tad, in case you didn't have time to check out the website before the conversation, Philip, just introducing a new stretch goal to the Kickstarter for the 20,000, which we didn't think we'd be getting anywhere near. But,
• 24:15
  Shelly Bond: So we're gonna add in a, a fold-out… it's kind of a fold-out poster, but it's a magazine in itself. It's a zine fold-out poster.
• 24:27
  Shelly Bond: That's all… all full of, informative little things.
• 24:31
  Shelly Bond: It's gonna be a handy little guide to have around for anyone who makes comics. Yeah, it's kind of like your cheat sheet, you know, your cliff notes. As you make a comic, there are always a bunch of things that…
• 24:45
  Shelly Bond: You should always remember to do that. Sometimes get… get…
• 24:49
  Shelly Bond: you know, lost in the process. I mean, sometimes it's the simplest thing, like, you make your comic on the computer, and you're doing it in RGB, and you have to convert to
• 24:58
  Shelly Bond: CMYK. Now, maybe that's not a big deal for you, and maybe your printer converts it for you anyway, but it's kind of really good basic information you need to know, because CMYK is print.
• 25:10
  Shelly Bond: Yeah, whether a lot of people use this information or not, or sort of… or digress from it, I think it's, like, good for people to know
• 25:18
  Shelly Bond: Sort of the standards that,
• 25:21
  Shelly Bond: That, that are expected before you can really,
• 25:25
  Shelly Bond: you know, move away from the standards. Well, right, and… Sort of understand…
• 25:30
  Tad Eggleston: What effect that's gonna have.
• 25:32
  Shelly Bond: Right? It's a professional quality. You know, sometimes I think… I'm always a big fan of, like, telling kids and students and teenagers, you know, throw yourself in, make a mini-comic. I mean, the day that I learned how to fold a mini-comic, I felt like my life began, because I didn't realize
• 25:50
  Shelly Bond: That you could do that with a piece of paper, and all you needed was a pencil, a pen, or some blood, and you could just make your own art. Seriously, like, it's not even that.
• 26:01
  Tad Eggleston: No, I love it.
• 26:02
  Shelly Bond: Like, you just need some… or soda. You could spill soda on it, and it's art. Now.
• 26:07
  Shelly Bond: That is good for you and your mom, and your husband or your boyfriend, your best friend. If you want to produce
• 26:15
  Shelly Bond: Professional-level comics, and you want one of the big two.
• 26:19
  Shelly Bond: to actually tap you on the shoulder and say, can we publish that? Or you want Drawn and Quarterly to offer you a contract for a graphic novel. You should know that there are certain standards that they're going to be expecting. You know, another one that might sound really simple and ridiculous, but
• 26:36
  Shelly Bond: Your page count should be divisible by 4, and there's a.
• 26:39
  Tad Eggleston: Forwardly.
• 26:40
  Shelly Bond: good reason.
• 26:41
  Tad Eggleston: Yep.
• 26:42
  Shelly Bond: Because of signatures.
• 26:44
  Shelly Bond: I mean… the fact that you know that, Tad, makes you…
• 26:49
  Shelly Bond: so appreciated, even though you couldn't get Joe Strummer to guest star on this podcast today on International Clash Day.
• 26:56
  Shelly Bond: But the reason for that…
• 26:57
  Tad Eggleston: Well, you know, when I was googling how to do seances, they tried to convince me, and this is how I know that there's something messed up with the algorithm, because I didn't say, seance of Joe Strummer, I just googled how to do seances, and I had a thing pop up saying, would you like an AI version of Joe Strummer? And I said.
• 27:15
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, I shut down the window.
• 27:18
  Shelly Bond: Right?
• 27:19
  Tad Eggleston: I…
• 27:20
  Shelly Bond: Yeah.
• 27:21
  Tad Eggleston: So, I mean, we gotta be careful right now, Shelly. You're right. You're right. I'm sorry. I'll be a bit more specific next time.
• 27:33
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, no, I, I love… and I'm gonna quickly say that as of right now, and hopefully they'll be over by the time anybody's listening, but at this moment, you are $1,522 away from us getting that fold-out comic.
• 27:50
  Shelly Bond: Wow, what.
• 27:50
  Tad Eggleston: P.
• 27:51
  Shelly Bond: Wait, what's behind you, Tad? That looks like it's a good stereo system behind you. Can we sell your stereo system?
• 28:00
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, that's my bookcase.
• 28:01
  Shelly Bond: Oh, okay. All right, that's.
• 28:03
  Tad Eggleston: And a Loving Rockets poster.
• 28:05
  Shelly Bond: Which Lovin' Rockets poster is that? That might be worth a lot.
• 28:09
  Tad Eggleston: The one they put out for the,
• 28:12
  Tad Eggleston: 48th anniversary that has all the characters?
• 28:14
  Shelly Bond: Alright. Alright, that might go for 1K. Let me make some phone calls. So it's a recent one.
• 28:21
  Shelly Bond: I'm gonna put that on eBay while we're talking, Tad, and…
• 28:23
  Tad Eggleston: I bet you we can get the 1K without having to sell any of my stuff.
• 28:27
  Shelly Bond: Yeah, I think so, yeah.
• 28:29
  Tad Eggleston: I don't have enough cool stuff.
• 28:31
  Shelly Bond: That, I… can't believe. No worries.
• 28:34
  Tad Eggleston: I have a lot of cool stuff, but it tends not to be the expensive cool stuff, and don't you care come near my original David Lapham.
• 28:44
  Shelly Bond: What?
• 28:45
  Tad Eggleston: I showed this to you a long time ago. I've got a page from…
• 28:49
  Shelly Bond: I know how excited you get when we talk about the spray bullets killers. Let's see, let's see it.
• 28:53
  Tad Eggleston: No, it's downstairs.
• 28:54
  Shelly Bond: listeners.
• 28:54
  Tad Eggleston: He's not in this room.
• 28:55
  Shelly Bond: Well, Philip is walking behind him because our cat… Toby knocked over.
• 29:02
  Shelly Bond: a David Lapham original that he gifted me when we worked on.
• 29:06
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, wow.
• 29:08
  Shelly Bond: This is, Danny Duotone.
• 29:12
  Tad Eggleston: Nice.
• 29:13
  Shelly Bond: from… he was the DJ, he was the alter ego of the character Danny Noonan from Young Liars.
• 29:20
  Tad Eggleston: Young Liars is such a good book. I actually… have I told you? I…
• 29:24
  Shelly Bond: After I read…
• 29:26
  Tad Eggleston: after I read Young Liars, not only did I love it, I went, my son's gonna love this. And I don't… was it all Lapham doing the soundtrack? Or at this point, I wonder, how much did you help him with the soundtrack for that book?
• 29:39
  Shelly Bond: Oh, let's just say when David and I started working on Young Liars, he… Bruin the song, Let's Dance.
• 29:49
  Shelly Bond: And that's when I really started to question his sanity, and I had said to him, so I thought he had told me years before that, when we worked on Silverfish, he was a big Bowie fan.
• 29:58
  Shelly Bond: And I don't know what that meant to him.
• 30:02
  Shelly Bond: But what it meant to me was not picking Let's Dance as the first song on the soundtrack.
• 30:07
  Shelly Bond: Just sayin'.
• 30:09
  Tad Eggleston: That, that makes sense.
• 30:10
  Shelly Bond: It was a combination. It was a combination. David and I both contributed songs.
• 30:15
  Tad Eggleston: So, so, so when…
• 30:17
  Shelly Bond: The set that was a part of the opening, you know.
• 30:20
  Tad Eggleston: When…
• 30:21
  Shelly Bond: Is anything…
• 30:21
  Tad Eggleston: I tracked down and got all of the single issues, and I put together a mixed CD that my wife did art for.
• 30:32
  Tad Eggleston: Wow. And that was my… that was my, son's Christmas present one year.
• 30:37
  Shelly Bond: was all 18 issues and the CD to go along with it. And tell me, did your son like it, or was he just like.
• 30:43
  Tad Eggleston: He did.
• 30:43
  Shelly Bond: I would rather… I would rather have a recipe book so I can make…
• 30:51
  Tad Eggleston: My son was…
• 30:55
  Tad Eggleston: over it. And… and for that matter, he, he, like, you have also worked with… with both his favorite comic writer and one of his top five musicians. Bowie, by the way, being probably his one or two musician, too.
• 31:12
  Shelly Bond: Oh, what a cool kid! Our son, like, sticks his nose up at comics.
• 31:17
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 31:18
  Shelly Bond: I mean, maybe not, but he just ignores us, and ignores the comics we.
• 31:22
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, no. That's no injuries.
• 31:24
  Shelly Bond: interest. I mean, doesn't… I mean, knows that it could be cool, but doesn't care.
• 31:30
  Tad Eggleston: My son, somehow, was a fabulous Killjoys fan.
• 31:36
  Tad Eggleston: before he was a My Chemical Romance fan.
• 31:39
  Shelly Bond: Wow. He's cool. You did. Yeah. Congratulations, you guys did well.
• 31:46
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, I worked in music stores before he was born, and I've always moonlighted in comic stores, and I learned a long time ago that the way to get kids into things is not to try.
• 31:58
  Shelly Bond: I just had it around. Yeah.
• 32:01
  Shelly Bond: Yeah. We tried too hard. I mean, our son knew… our son was listen… he was 4 years old, and he was singing the Clash's cover song of Bank Robber, and he knew the difference between a Clash and a… between a Mick Jones and a Joe Strummer song at that age.
• 32:20
  Shelly Bond: Right. And then that was it.
• 32:23
  Shelly Bond: I mean, seriously, he was… he never got… was a big Clash fan, he…
• 32:28
  Shelly Bond: What do you… I don't know what you're complaining about. I'm not really complaining.
• 32:31
  Tad Eggleston: My kids were singing Tom Petty in the back of the car when… actually, I remember it was the year the last DJ came out, and my daughter was, I think.
• 32:43
  Tad Eggleston: 5, and my son was one and a… er, my daughter was four, and my son was one and a half, and…
• 32:50
  Tad Eggleston: She would sing, like, all the words, and all he could do was, DJ! DJ! DJ!
• 32:55
  Shelly Bond: Aww.
• 32:57
  Shelly Bond: That's adorable.
• 32:59
  Shelly Bond: Yeah.
• 33:00
  Tad Eggleston: so, yeah, no, no, my kids have good taste.
• 33:04
  Shelly Bond: Well, I don't know how I pulled it off.
• 33:07
  Tad Eggleston: But it's, like, one of the few things I'm truly proud of.
• 33:11
  Shelly Bond: Is that the kids have good taste.
• 33:14
  Tad Eggleston: Well, my…
• 33:14
  Shelly Bond: Oh, awesome!
• 33:15
  Tad Eggleston: They're not my wife's kids. I got married long after my kid… my son was actually my best man.
• 33:23
  Shelly Bond: Huh.
• 33:25
  Shelly Bond: What?
• 33:26
  Shelly Bond: Well, how old.
• 33:26
  Tad Eggleston: But she's had something to do with his music taste since then.
• 33:30
  Shelly Bond: I can imagine. It sounds like.
• 33:32
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Because she's awesome.
• 33:34
  Tad Eggleston: I'm not trying to… not trying to downgrade my wife, but on the off chance that she listens or he listens, you know, they'd immediately correct me.
• 33:41
  Shelly Bond: You're kicking your head in the door right now, and you might be in big trouble!
• 33:45
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, that's always possible. I'm surprised the cat hasn't come in yet, because I left the door open, and he likes to come try to eat the microphone while I'm talking.
• 33:53
  Shelly Bond: We've got about 20 minutes to cover one… We do. …one frequently asked questions when making comments.
• 33:59
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, is it up to 101 now?
• 34:01
  Shelly Bond: Well, it is when we're talking to you, we need the public.
• 34:03
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, okay.
• 34:04
  Tad Eggleston: 20 minutes.
• 34:10
  Tad Eggleston: 20?
• 34:11
  Shelly Bond: Well, I just… oh, my wife just texted that she can hear me. -Oh.
• 34:16
  Shelly Bond: Now, Tad's in trouble. This might be our last interview of all time.
• 34:21
  Tad Eggleston: No!
• 34:22
  Shelly Bond: 22 panels is gonna be slowly dropping down to 21 panels, 20, 19.
• 34:29
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, no. Though I do actually… I do remember one question that I wanted to ask. Tess Fowler finished your book, have you gotten to see it yet?
• 34:38
  Shelly Bond: No, haven't.
• 34:39
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, she's… she's sent in advance to me. It is outstanding, you are going to love it.
• 34:46
  Shelly Bond: Oh, congratulations!
• 34:47
  Shelly Bond: the test.
• 34:48
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 34:48
  Shelly Bond: that she's been working on that for a long time.
• 34:51
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:54
  Tad Eggleston: Well, let's… because this can sometimes go the whole 20 minutes, and I don't want to keep you guys late tonight, as much as I would happily keep you forever,
• 35:08
  Tad Eggleston: So let's… let's… oh, that's right! Since the last time I talked to you, I've added to my required ending questions, so we will fill up the last 20 minutes, particularly, because with the two of you, this one's gonna get a good one.
• 35:22
  Tad Eggleston: In the 5 years since I started doing this podcast, I feel like I've entered the Twilight Zone. My life has become a series of surreal experiences with people that used to be names on
• 35:35
  Tad Eggleston: on paper, that I never thought that I'd…
• 35:40
  Tad Eggleston: Meet, spend time with, much less, like, text during baseball games, or go to dinner with, or whatever.
• 35:48
  Shelly Bond: You're not gonna text me during baseball. You're not gonna interrupt my baseball game. Oh my god. Sports. You know how I feel about sports.
• 35:57
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, see, I feel the way you feel about sports for every sport except baseball.
• 36:01
  Shelly Bond: I know, we always talk about that! I like ice skating and roller skating and baton twirling and tap dancing, those are my sports.
• 36:10
  Shelly Bond: Okay.
• 36:10
  Tad Eggleston: I like tap dancing. I don't know about the other ones.
• 36:13
  Shelly Bond: I do. Is ice dancing a real sport? Ice… I didn't say ice dancing. Oh, ice. I said ice skating. Oh, it's the same thing.
• 36:20
  Tad Eggleston: Ice skating. So are you gonna be watching the figure skating in the Olympics this weekend?
• 36:24
  Shelly Bond: on the Olympics, yeah. I was like, I don't understand that. Are we promoting the Olympics on this podcast?
• 36:32
  Tad Eggleston: I wasn't really, but my student was talking about them all day today, so I've heard a lot about how the opening ceremonies are tonight.
• 36:42
  Shelly Bond: Yeah, we'll let you.
• 36:43
  Tad Eggleston: Obviously, I'm not watching them right now, I'm talking to you.
• 36:47
  Shelly Bond: That's true. You're in the future. We're still a few hours behind you as we're speaking.
• 36:53
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 36:54
  Shelly Bond: Tell us, tell us the.
• 36:55
  Tad Eggleston: So the question is… what I've loved is it turns out that, like, I'm not alone. Everybody in comics, no matter how big or small they are, has…
• 37:05
  Tad Eggleston: Similar surreal experiences, so… Would you share one? Each of you?
• 37:11
  Tad Eggleston: Tell me something that you just sit there going, oh my god, I did that, let me pinch myself, because that doesn't feel right.
• 37:19
  Shelly Bond: Villa?
• 37:20
  Shelly Bond: He's thinking.
• 37:24
  Shelly Bond: I've never been, sort of, like, one to, sort of, like, have… like… big names that, I.
• 37:34
  Tad Eggleston: It doesn't have to be big names, I mean, just, just things…
• 37:38
  Tad Eggleston: things that you, like… I mean, for some people, it's the feeling of, like, having fans come up to them for the first time and care about what they do.
• 37:48
  Shelly Bond: Well, yeah, yeah.
• 37:50
  Tad Eggleston: The job itself is… is…
• 37:53
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, possibly even more than the sports star or the pop star, like, to be able to survive in life by making comic books is, like.
• 38:02
  Shelly Bond: Barely. That. Yeah.
• 38:04
  Tad Eggleston: Well, that's my point.
• 38:06
  Shelly Bond: That's right.
• 38:07
  Tad Eggleston: It's like the impossible dream.
• 38:09
  Shelly Bond: Yeah, it is.
• 38:09
  Tad Eggleston: If you pull it off, it becomes…
• 38:12
  Shelly Bond: Yeah. Yeah, I, like, you know, it's gonna be, like, sort of, like, probably 40 years soon that I've been somehow scraping by, whether it's, like, through… like, the whole thing's been through the, sort of, kindness of friends and…
• 38:32
  Shelly Bond: And… and some strangers.
• 38:34
  Shelly Bond: You know, I couldn't have done this on my own.
• 38:40
  Tad Eggleston: I'm like, yes, ahum-hum, yes.
• 38:45
  Shelly Bond: You know, and willing partners, you know, like, it's often said, sort of behind every…
• 38:52
  Shelly Bond: successful comic book artist. There's a wife with a decent job and healthcare, but that's… that's certainly helpful.
• 39:02
  Tad Eggleston: I can name so many comic book artists that that's true for!
• 39:06
  Shelly Bond: Yeah. Well, it's very true.
• 39:08
  Tad Eggleston: You're the wife that just handles all the business side? Yeah. I mean, shouts out to Vijaya for Jeff Smith, and Robin for Terry Moore, and…
• 39:19
  Shelly Bond: Yep.
• 39:20
  Shelly Bond: Yep.
• 39:21
  Shelly Bond: So, yeah, I… it's… it's all… all been through the,
• 39:26
  Shelly Bond: The kindness of strangers. Well, I think also.
• 39:30
  Shelly Bond: you are a humble person, you know? You could have let
• 39:36
  Shelly Bond: your talent and success go to your head, and have… you could have just walked off and become a rock star in your own right. I think I came into it not expecting anything.
• 39:47
  Shelly Bond: for one thing, I didn't… I didn't come into it looking for, sort of.
• 39:52
  Shelly Bond: Money, certainly not money. Never really, sort of, thought about that.
• 39:57
  Shelly Bond: Hot girls. I'm afraid. Hot girls like the ones that you were drawing. Hot girls, yeah, we… yeah. That worked for a little while. It was, yes, I mean, it's like the reasons, you know, the reasons people form bands. It's like to hang out with friends, to… to make art, and to attract girls.
• 40:14
  Shelly Bond: Or, you know, whatever your preference may be. But, you know, it's the exact same thing.
• 40:20
  Shelly Bond: It's like…
• 40:21
  Shelly Bond: You know, you… you gotta do something if you're… you gotta make art. Like, some people have got to make art.
• 40:27
  Tad Eggleston: Here he is.
• 40:28
  Shelly Bond: Oh! It's Eddie to the rescue! Speaking of art…
• 40:34
  Shelly Bond: Oh my goodness. Oh, he's turned off the video. This is an audio podcast, because otherwise there would be no video anyway.
• 40:46
  Tad Eggleston: Hi, Eddie.
• 40:47
  Shelly Bond: it looks like.
• 40:47
  Tad Eggleston: How are you?
• 40:48
  Shelly Bond: Tuxedo.
• 40:49
  Shelly Bond: Is he a sexy?
• 40:50
  Tad Eggleston: He is… He is one part tuxedo and one part tabby, because he's actually striped in here.
• 40:58
  Shelly Bond: Yeah.
• 40:59
  Tad Eggleston: But… but he's got the white belly.
• 41:01
  Shelly Bond: Looks like a big, cuddly baby to me.
• 41:04
  Tad Eggleston: Yep.
• 41:05
  Tad Eggleston: Well, he's also my granddaughter's best friend, which is probably the only reason we haven't, like…
• 41:11
  Shelly Bond: Aww.
• 41:12
  Tad Eggleston: Left him outside.
• 41:14
  Shelly Bond: That's mean!
• 41:15
  Shelly Bond: Tad, I thought.
• 41:16
  Tad Eggleston: I only say that when he's around. I say it to his face.
• 41:20
  Shelly Bond: Yeah, exactly. I see that. I think you might get a paw up your nose in a second. Be careful.
• 41:26
  Tad Eggleston: That does happen sometimes.
• 41:29
  Shelly Bond: Tad, tell us.
• 41:29
  Tad Eggleston: And he was actually saying, wait a minute, wait a minute, there's a way to be left outside? You always chase me when I run outside.
• 41:38
  Shelly Bond: Yeah, we have indoor cats. We know that they cannot wait to get the hell out of here. Although, what kind of better life could it be for our kittens than a small publishing company that's overrun and overcome by boxes? Every time.
• 41:55
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 41:55
  Shelly Bond: If we lose these kittens, they're somewhere in a box.
• 41:59
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, he loves it when I get comics, because it means he gets a box.
• 42:03
  Shelly Bond: Yeah. Yep, every time a new box gets opened.
• 42:07
  Shelly Bond: Yeah, there's, like, glitter falls from the ceiling, and we have a little cheer party, and then the music somehow kicks in, and it's, like, 30 seconds of, like.
• 42:18
  Shelly Bond: Cheering and joy. And then suddenly we look around, and there they are, hiding from us.
• 42:23
  Shelly Bond: In the boxes. Because we have, like, sort of, like, 50 boxes of, iDoppelganger in the garage. That many. They're not allowed in there. Sold more than that.
• 42:36
  Shelly Bond: No, we've got.
• 42:38
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, you're just coming up on con season, so you'll get rid of more.
• 42:42
  Shelly Bond: Get rid of them. I don't know, they spent…
• 42:44
  Tad Eggleston: I meant sell.
• 42:46
  Shelly Bond: 5 years to make that book. My goodness.
• 42:49
  Tad Eggleston: It meant sell.
• 42:51
  Shelly Bond: Right, okay. I do.
• 42:53
  Tad Eggleston: I didn't… I didn't mean give away.
• 42:56
  Shelly Bond: Right.
• 42:57
  Shelly Bond: at Casa Bond, Coming soon.
• 43:02
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, Shelly, how about a surreal experience?
• 43:06
  Shelly Bond: Well, Todd, I've been on your show so many times, I think I've told all the same stories twice.
• 43:11
  Tad Eggleston: Well, that's possible, but only my mom listens to all of the episodes.
• 43:15
  Shelly Bond: Oh, alright.
• 43:17
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, this is the seventh…
• 43:19
  Shelly Bond: Yeah, I'm, like, really worried.
• 43:21
  Tad Eggleston: fun and, like.
• 43:21
  Shelly Bond: What… which surreal experience is gonna… is she gonna pull out of…
• 43:26
  Shelly Bond: The, the filing cabinet that is her brain. Yeah, I don't… I don't… I'm not sure which one I want to share.
• 43:34
  Shelly Bond: I feel like, Tad, when we spoke not long ago, I feel like I might have told the story about Paul Weller?
• 43:43
  Shelly Bond: Or about… I think so. The one about Morrissey.
• 43:49
  Tad Eggleston: You did tell… you did tell the one about meeting with Bowie's people.
• 43:54
  Shelly Bond: Right, okay.
• 43:56
  Shelly Bond: Alright, so… I'm not sure what to say. I mean, as far as comics, I feel like…
• 44:06
  Shelly Bond: Working in the industry for so long.
• 44:09
  Shelly Bond: You know, I knew I came in as just, like,
• 44:17
  Shelly Bond: Knowing that I had to prove myself.
• 44:20
  Shelly Bond: In an industry I knew nothing about. I was a kid, right out of college.
• 44:24
  Shelly Bond: And… I didn't have stars in my eyes, because I wasn't a comics fan, so I think that helped.
• 44:31
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 44:31
  Shelly Bond: early days, right? I saw people around me at DC Comics who were such super fan boys and girls, as they were called back then, that they literally started to sweat if
• 44:43
  Shelly Bond: some famous person came into the office for a visit. They would get, like, really nervous, and not be able to really speak well.
• 44:52
  Shelly Bond: And that's not good in… when you're working.
• 44:55
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, Klaus Jansen's the only one who managed to do that to me. Who? And I made up for it the next time I met him.
• 45:00
  Shelly Bond: Who?
• 45:01
  Tad Eggleston: Klaus Jansen.
• 45:02
  Shelly Bond: Oh, Klaus Jansen, good guy, Klaus. I thought you were gonna say David Lapham.
• 45:08
  Tad Eggleston: No, I did pretty well with David Lapham, I thought.
• 45:12
  Shelly Bond: Yeah!
• 45:12
  Tad Eggleston: You saw me meet David Lapham.
• 45:14
  Shelly Bond: I know, I know.
• 45:16
  Shelly Bond: It was exciting! It was exciting.
• 45:18
  Tad Eggleston: Klaus Chance and I had trouble finding the right words, and my wife had to do some of my talking for me. And then I had to have Mark Chiarello reintroduce us a couple of years later.
• 45:29
  Shelly Bond: Oh, nice. And Klaus is very humble, too, so I'm sure he just thought that was charming.
• 45:35
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 45:36
  Shelly Bond: I'll have to… I'll have to ask him the next time I see him, which I don't see him often, so don't worry about it.
• 45:40
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, he's a C2E2 again this year, so…
• 45:42
  Shelly Bond: Oh.
• 45:42
  Tad Eggleston: And I will get to see him again this year.
• 45:44
  Shelly Bond: Oh, you will?
• 45:45
  Shelly Bond: Yeah. Very nice!
• 45:47
  Tad Eggleston: I actually have 4 panels this year.
• 45:49
  Shelly Bond: Whoa!
• 45:49
  Tad Eggleston: I'm moving up in the world, I'm moderating panels this year.
• 45:52
  Shelly Bond: That's exciting!
• 45:54
  Tad Eggleston: Oh my god.
• 45:54
  Shelly Bond: Look out, Chicago, right?
• 45:58
  Shelly Bond: Back in Chicago for C2E2?
• 46:00
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, that's… I live in the area, so…
• 46:03
  Shelly Bond: No, that's what I… I wasn't sure if it… if it moved locations.
• 46:06
  Tad Eggleston: No, C2E2's… it's the Chicago… Comics and Entertainment Expo.
• 46:13
  Shelly Bond: Yeah, that would make sense. I kind of thought it was the culture.
• 46:16
  Shelly Bond: to Culture Expo, but I'm just making that up now, because Philip's looking at me like, how could you not know that was in Chicago? No, I don't know at all. I just, I'm just trying to… I thought it was, how did that go?
• 46:28
  Shelly Bond: I… I'm… I was.
• 46:29
  Tad Eggleston: Actually, Simon Bisley's gonna be here this year, too, and your guy, Martin Simons.
• 46:34
  Shelly Bond: The biz! Well, you'll have to, like, nudge, nudge, wink, wink…
• 46:39
  Shelly Bond: to the biz. While we're talking, I know that people won't be able to see this, but you're mentioning the biz, and I've got to pull down something from.
• 46:47
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I'm just trying to convince you guys to come out to Chicago that weekend.
• 46:52
  Tad Eggleston: If everybody you know is here, that's a good opportunity to go on vacation.
• 46:58
  Shelly Bond: We probably owe them things. We don't need to see people who might want comics and original art from Phillip or something like that.
• 47:09
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, okay.
• 47:10
  Shelly Bond: Does this ring a bell? Oh, wow. You're looking at it, and I want you to… you're the one that has these listeners, so do you know what this is?
• 47:18
  Tad Eggleston: Well, it's definitely a Bisley Hellblazer cover, and… I don't… I love The Clash?
• 47:26
  Shelly Bond: There is a slight reference.
• 47:28
  Shelly Bond: Anyone who thinks that I'm just a casual Clash fan, au contraire, Bisley and I had so much fun on
• 47:37
  Shelly Bond: That cover run.
• 47:39
  Shelly Bond: It was the final 5 years
• 47:44
  Shelly Bond: of the original Hellblazer. It was Peter Milligan writing, and it is…
• 47:49
  Shelly Bond: I hadn't worked with him, I'd met him to say hello, not, you know, didn't really have any kind of…
• 47:55
  Shelly Bond: friendship with him at all, and I was super stoked to work with him, because I wanted to kick his ass. You know, I thought he was great, but I also knew that, like, you know, like any artist.
• 48:06
  Shelly Bond: If you're not invested in a monthly book, and you're not excited about the rhythm that you need to be in for monthly, then, you know, you should just be fired. So, I think
• 48:17
  Shelly Bond: I thought he was super talented, and I just wanted to, like, sink my fangs into him and say, dude, let's step it up, let's make this rock and roll.
• 48:25
  Shelly Bond: Because I think sometimes people have a tendency to make John Constantine look like an old, ugly.
• 48:32
  Shelly Bond: withered, raisin-like man. And I wasn't gonna have that for the Constantine that had my name in the book.
• 48:40
  Shelly Bond: So, we had a great chat, and we had some similar musical interests, and he was a fan of The Clash and strummer.
• 48:50
  Shelly Bond: And so, we talked a lot about how John should really have more of that edge again. And in fact, it was Biz who actually gave John, a scar down his eye that went from his middle of his forehead to his eye, because he wanted to roughen him up.
• 49:07
  Shelly Bond: And it just looked so good, and Peter Milligan and I were just like, whoa, you know, this is… this is the John that we've always wanted, you know, the badass John to come back. I mean, we were talking about issues…
• 49:20
  Shelly Bond: 352 to… I'm sorry, 252 to 300, so he'd been around the block. He was aging in real time, but that didn't mean he had to be, like, a super wuss and a lame, you know.
• 49:34
  Shelly Bond: repetitive constant time.
• 49:37
  Shelly Bond: So that cover, in particular.
• 49:39
  Shelly Bond: was basically John as Joe Strummer. You know, he was wearing a Clash t-shirt with that great logo, he was wearing, like, a leopard jacket, like, faux fur leopard jacket, and he had the Strummer mohawk from Combat Rock. And that only happens when your editor says.
• 49:58
  Shelly Bond: Let's step it up, people! Let's not just do the same old shot of John. Step it up with the Clash references. Well, but think about it. When you have a series that goes on for, like, you know, almost 300 issues.
• 50:13
  Shelly Bond: You're gonna get repetition. You're gonna have people come in and, you know, sometimes the same artist paints the same angle of the character over and over again, and, like, you know, let's do better.
• 50:23
  Shelly Bond: Let's elevate the art form, let's not do the same old thing.
• 50:27
  Shelly Bond: So, those were good times. So, tell Biz, I said, hey.
• 50:32
  Tad Eggleston: I will. I will.
• 50:34
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, standard closing question. Tell me something you love, preferably a comic, but we don't have rules.
• 50:41
  Shelly Bond: Preferably storytelling, but again, with the rules, but something you love.
• 50:45
  Tad Eggleston: And not enough people around you?
• 50:48
  Tad Eggleston: Have experienced it, and you need them to, so you have more people to talk about it with.
• 50:53
  Shelly Bond: Well… I'm…
• 50:56
  Shelly Bond: Can I… can I go with the book that we, let me, shelley, do you want to take all of this? Yeah. Hold on.
• 51:04
  Shelly Bond: Okay, we're gonna hold on to wait for Philip to go get this book that he's talking about. I'm not sure which one.
• 51:10
  Tad Eggleston: I love it.
• 51:10
  Shelly Bond: Oh, it's… Oh, -oh. Of course it's… I have no idea.
• 51:17
  Shelly Bond: I've been reading quite a few comics lately.
• 51:21
  Shelly Bond: But my suggestion isn't going to be a paper comic. Shock. Shock of all shocks.
• 51:28
  Shelly Bond: My… while he's… Searching.
• 51:32
  Shelly Bond: In the closet.
• 51:35
  Shelly Bond: I think he's coming back. Okay, I'll just fess up. I am blown to bits by Caroline Cash's Nancy. She's taken over the monthly…
• 51:43
  Tad Eggleston: I have totally dug it.
• 51:44
  Shelly Bond: And it is so good. I was a huge Olivia Jane follower.
• 51:50
  Tad Eggleston: Right?
• 51:51
  Shelly Bond: I don't know who else could have followed.
• 51:53
  Shelly Bond: Jane, but Caroline Cash, and she's just absolutely killing it.
• 51:59
  Shelly Bond: I love Ernie Bushmiller, and I love the meta of it all, so that's my pick. Everybody who's listening, you gotta find it, it's free. Go sign up, or sign up, I think it's on comics.com, it might not be true, but…
• 52:12
  Tad Eggleston: I think it's Go Comics.
• 52:14
  Shelly Bond: Go Comics, or follow Carol on Instagram.
• 52:17
  Tad Eggleston: Follow Carolyn Cash.
• 52:18
  Shelly Bond: Right?
• 52:19
  Tad Eggleston: I like Carolyn a lot. I haven't had her on the show yet, but I've talked to her at, like, 5 or 6 shows. I loved her… her Godzilla vs. Chicago comic this year.
• 52:29
  Tad Eggleston: Which was just… if you haven't… you don't even have to be a Godzilla fan. I am NOT a Godzilla fan.
• 52:35
  Shelly Bond: Godzilla is my favorite serial killer. I was on a panel this summer. I was on a panel this summer, and someone said, who's your favorite serial killer? Which I thought, that's a really…
• 52:45
  Shelly Bond: That's a real personal question. I didn't want to answer that question, and then I finally realized it was Godzilla.
• 52:51
  Shelly Bond: Philip, you're on, we've got 2 minutes. Yeah, I was… I was looking for cold checks. Oh, it's right here, you should have asked, I keep it by my…
• 52:58
  Shelly Bond: By my,
• 53:00
  Shelly Bond: computer, where I rock things all the time. Yeah, this is incredible. Cold Chips by Chris King.
• 53:09
  Tad Eggleston: Cold chips, Kris King.
• 53:12
  Shelly Bond: British… Which is, like, a… just a beautiful British,
• 53:16
  Shelly Bond: Seaside. Just, yep. Northern, dilapidated seaside town, which is… which is my home ground. Just a, like, really beautiful book, just sort of…
• 53:28
  Shelly Bond: Just beautiful, like, Illustrations of windswept beaches and…
• 53:35
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, I dig it.
• 53:36
  Shelly Bond: So, the stuff that goes on off-season, which is… which is all year round now, these seaside resorts used to be,
• 53:44
  Shelly Bond: They used… used to be…
• 53:47
  Shelly Bond: full of people until all the British started going overseas for the holidays, so, now there's… they're just sort of empty.
• 53:55
  Shelly Bond: Basically, we… Empty towns. We have two favorite comic shops in the UK, and one is Gosh, of course, because it's in London, it's fabulous, but OK Comics in Leeds.
• 54:07
  Shelly Bond: Is also a terrific store, and…
• 54:10
  Shelly Bond: they introduced us to Chris King's work, and…
• 54:15
  Shelly Bond: I think this was my pick for the best comic of 2025. I read it, I loved it, I bought 3 copies, because I had to give it out to people who I thought would appreciate it, and who deserved it. So, you can find it, you can follow Chris at
• 54:31
  Shelly Bond: Chris King Art, or at chriskingillustration.com, or support…
• 54:37
  Tad Eggleston: And he has a big cartel shop that you can buy cold chips at.
• 54:42
  Shelly Bond: Yep, and also, he has another book that just came out, too, and there… when we say books, Cold Chips is, 7x7, I think, or it's close. It's, it's a beautiful size. I guess it's not Geezer Square, but it's a little wider.
• 55:00
  Shelly Bond: It's… that's more 8. 8… 8 and a half, I'd say. Eight and a half. Let's trust the artist.
• 55:07
  Shelly Bond: But that… he's definitely a talent to be watching.
• 55:14
  Tad Eggleston: Unfortunately, I can't tell if he ships to the US right now.
• 55:17
  Shelly Bond: Well, if not, it's worth the extra money for shipping.
• 55:22
  Tad Eggleston: And…
• 55:22
  Shelly Bond: Sell that Love & Rockets poster. You'll thank me tomorrow.
• 55:27
  Tad Eggleston: Do you want me to get rid of my Love and Rockets poster?
• 55:30
  Shelly Bond: Kidding.
• 55:31
  Shelly Bond: Just kidding.
• 55:33
  Tad Eggleston: That just feels weird.
• 55:35
  Shelly Bond: I said I was kidding. I know. I promise you I'm kidding.
• 55:39
  Tad Eggleston: I'll tell you what.
• 55:40
  Shelly Bond: I bought 3 copies just for really special people that deserve presents, and I have one more copy left, and it's gonna be on its way to you tomorrow. No, not your copy. Okay.
• 55:52
  Shelly Bond: the extra.
• 55:53
  Tad Eggleston: Like I said.
• 55:54
  Shelly Bond: I bought a… I bought a copy for Philip's dad.
• 55:57
  Shelly Bond: For Christmas, which he loved.
• 56:00
  Shelly Bond: And a nice thing people can do.
• 56:03
  Shelly Bond: to support British shops is to actually buy comics for your overseas friends.
• 56:09
  Shelly Bond: and relatives.
• 56:11
  Tad Eggleston: I will have to remember that.
• 56:12
  Shelly Bond: nice thing about OK Comics, they'll send copies
• 56:15
  Shelly Bond: to different places for you. Of course, you have to pay, but that's what it's all.
• 56:19
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 56:20
  Shelly Bond: Make… make money so you can make comics.
• 56:24
  Shelly Bond: And make more money. To continue making comics and listening to music.
• 56:29
  Shelly Bond: And on that.
• 56:30
  Tad Eggleston: And pay for it all.
• 56:31
  Shelly Bond: Joe Stromer on International Clash Day, and remember, everybody, to know your rights. You have the right to make comic books, because no one can stop you, and the time is now.
• 56:41
  Shelly Bond: No one can stop you yet.
• 56:44
  Shelly Bond: Especially if you have 100 frequently asked questions on making comics by Shelly and Philip Bond, working together once again to make your comics life enjoyable.
• 56:57
  Tad Eggleston: Available on Kickstarter, and let's see, let's see if it's moved… It has.
• 57:02
  Tad Eggleston: Now we need only, $1,512 to get to… and you're up to 664 backers.
• 57:12
  Tad Eggleston: I can sell the Lapham piece if I have to. I'll call Maria Lapham to see if she wants to buy it back. You're over your goal, you don't need to…
• 57:21
  Shelly Bond: That's true.
• 57:22
  Tad Eggleston: This is not one of the books that you have to let go of precious artwork for, shall I?
• 57:28
  Shelly Bond: Nobody needs to sell relatives now. All right, all right, there we go. We might want to, but okay.
• 57:35
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, pick the right one.
• 57:37
  Shelly Bond: Fun!
• 57:38
  Tad Eggleston: It's always so much fun, and I can't wait till the next time you're in the Midwest, or I actually make it out to the West Coast, which… I have so many friends in LA now, and two cousins, and therefore places to stay, that one of these days I'll come, but…
• 57:54
  Shelly Bond: One of these days, one of them is going to owe you an invite because their mom and… will tell your.
• 58:01
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, I have the invites, it's.
• 58:03
  Shelly Bond: You have to open up the couch for.
• 58:05
  Tad Eggleston: Hang on.
• 58:06
  Shelly Bond: He's got some important business to take care of.
• 58:09
  Tad Eggleston: I, I, I, I, I, I have.
• 58:12
  Shelly Bond: the invites, and…
• 58:13
  Tad Eggleston: And they don't have to open up couches. They're both doing well enough that I'm pretty certain there are guest bedrooms. But I don't have the airfare.
• 58:25
  Shelly Bond: Yeah. Bye.
• 58:26
  Tad Eggleston: time or money.
• 58:28
  Shelly Bond: Well, understood.
• 58:29
  Tad Eggleston: Remember, I'm a teacher!
• 58:31
  Shelly Bond: Yes.
• 58:32
  Tad Eggleston: I make about the same as most comic artists.
• 58:34
  Shelly Bond: Yeah, probably more, actually, in this day and age.
• 58:39
  Tad Eggleston: I'm a paraprofessional, so I'm still hourly.
• 58:42
  Shelly Bond: Okay.
• 58:42
  Tad Eggleston: My wife makes more than a lot of comic artists.
• 58:45
  Shelly Bond: Alright, well, again.
• 58:46
  Tad Eggleston: She's my sugar mama. My sugar mama is a part… is a… is a public… public school art teacher.
• 58:52
  Shelly Bond: Nice! That's right.
• 58:54
  Shelly Bond: Yeah. Nice!
• 58:55
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 58:55
  Tad Eggleston: So, always fantastic, guys. I can't wait till the next excuse to talk to you, because it's always a blast. Happy Clash Day to everybody.
• 59:06
  Tad Eggleston: Lord.
• 59:07
  Tad Eggleston: Shelly and Philip Bond, this has been 22 Panels. We will see you after the next page.