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  episode show notes or description below on whatever app or platform you are listening to
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  or watching this podcast on. In tonight's episode of Disguise Coverage, we'll be
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  diving into the biggest Buffalo Bill's question marks for the twenty twenty three season.
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  It could be players specific, it could be position group specific, it could
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  be coaching specific. It could be schematic, it could be anything and or
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  everything micro macro on any level, in any semblance, shape or form.
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  And I said we because I'm not alone on that journey tonight in this episode,
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  I do this type of episode, this exercise, if you will,
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  every single year. It's one of the episodes I really look forward to and
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  to go on that journey and on that ride. In this episode tonight,
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  I am joined by mister Joe Marino, host of Locked on Bills, and
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  I mean a lot of other works, a lot of other passion projects,
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  a lot of other pieces. You know, you're the author of Go Bills
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  and Buffalo's Run and then you also host the Lockdown NFL scouting podcast and your
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  CPR certified. I don't know any other ACCOLADESPR certified. Yeah, and I've
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  learned how to use an AD. But now, most importantly, i'm your
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  guest tonight, Honored to be here, excited to get into the subject matter
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  with you. Always enjoy our conversations, Anthony, Thank you. I appreciate
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  the kind words, even though you say horribly nasty things to me when we're
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  offline. So yeah, yeah, I didn't. I didn't feel like that
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  is appropriate to bring up right there. I'll save that stuff, you know,
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  see, and that's cool, Like just bash me behind closed doors,
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  but then praise me out in the lime light. And I appreciate that.
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  You're smart, you get it, you understand how this whole thing works.
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  Joe and I were talking a bit offline in terms of, you know,
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  before we went live here, how we kind of started to put our list
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  together and how it went. And you are someone who your exercise every year
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  that you've included me and for the past couple of years and a lot of
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  other bills and the build content creators in the community with that exercise, like
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  the ten most important players for the upcoming season, and you have specific definitions
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  and criteria that you let us know and kind of how we craft our lists
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  and put them together. It's a really tremendous exercise. So I'm excited to
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  have you on for this exercise and I want to know from you again,
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  we were talking about it a bit offline. How did you find this exercise
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  and putting together you know the biggest question marks for the bills in twenty twenty
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  three. Did you find it challenging. Did you start with a bucket of
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  questions and then whittle it down? You know, kind of what would your
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  process like as you put this together? Well, I started with plenty of
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  things that I can bring up, and I don't. I don't know that
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  that means that I'm concerned that the Bills won't be a very good football team.
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  I just think that I'm a very critical person that spends a lot of
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  time analyzing this roster and the decisions that they make, and it leads me
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  to a number of outcomes and there's things that I don't necessarily feel super settled
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  with, and so I was able to come up with quite a bit.
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  But what helped me was lasering in on three, right. I knew that
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  we had three things that we wanted to bring up each tonight, and knowing
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  that it was only three and not ten, I was able to laser down
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  on the three and really ask myself the question like, what are you really
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  like? What are you really most concerned about? And once I did that,
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  I was able to eliminate a lot and really settle in all my three.
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  I you know, again, we were talking offline. I knew,
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  I knew what I wanted really is my one? And I kind of started
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  from there and I thought this was going to be cake again, you know.
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  I I've had a same I shouldn't say same, but a similar amount
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  of concerns, both in terms of what they were an amount really this entire
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  offseason, and they've ebbed and float a bit in terms of how I ranked
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  them or defined them. And I really thought this would be easier for me
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  than it was. And I don't know if it's my OCD or just my
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  desire to be very particular with things, which is probably tied to the OCDPS.
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  I don't know, but I really was like, no, this is
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  too Like one was good for me, but I was like this should be
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  too No, this should be three. And then I had other buckets.
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  I was like, does this creep into three? No, that's more of
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  a four. And then I was like, but I just need three,
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  and I was like, yeah, but it's still important to know that this
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  one's four. I did a lot of wrestling and jostling with my list,
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  like it's a good thing. I typed it all out because if it was
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  handwritten, I'd have a lot of scribbles and it would look like a serial
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  killer wrote it. But I'm excited to be here on this journey with you.
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  And what do you think should we dive right into it? I'm ready,
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  man, all right? So for those who don't know, as we
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  dive into the meat and crux of the episode, here, myself and mister
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  Joe Marino are going to be detailing the biggest Buffalo Bill's question marks for twenty
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  twenty three. And as I said in the intro, it could be micro
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  level, it could be macro level. It could be players specific. It
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  could be a position group, an entire side of the ball, a coach,
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  a schematic piece, a personnel grouping. It could be anything and everything.
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  That's part of why I enjoy doing this episode with someone, especially someone
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  of your caliber, because it just you know, do we overlap? Do
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  we have different perspectives? You know, what are you focusing in on?
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  I love how you mentioned you know, I know you see the game both
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  from the Bill side of it and from an evaluation piece holistically end player level
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  with what you do from a college ball perspective, like the critical lens in
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  which you see the game, and I think I see the game through a
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  similar critical lens. So it quote to see do we align? Are we
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  seeing things different pieces critically? And how did all those things stack up?
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  For those of you playing at home enjoining us live tonight in the chat,
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  questions, thoughts, comments, concerns, ideologies, theorems, maximums, philosophies,
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  your own biggest question marks. What you think of our question marks as
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  we go through, throw them up into the chat. I will bring up
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  as many things as I physically possibly can. Super chats as always get priority
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  one because I respect the monetary donation. Two. I see the color and
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  it attracts my eyes and brings me away from what's going on. Joe and
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  I are going to start, so each have three. So we're gonna go
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  from three to two to one. Joe, you are the guests, and
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  I am nothing if not a gracious host. But why don't you hit us
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  with your third biggest question mark? For the Buffalo Bills in twenty twenty three,
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  all right, So at number three for me, I have middle linebacker
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  Tremaine Edmonds. After five seasons as Matt Mulano's running mate, is no more,
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  and the Bills are turning to a cast of characters that include the possibility
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  of Dorian Williams, a rookie out of Tulane through all Bernard's second, you're
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  player out of Baylor Tyrrell Dotson been on the team since twenty nineteen. And
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  I really think that's the list, right, Bale, Inspector, I think
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  you're depth player. A. J. Klein has been brought in to be
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  an asset to the room. As Brandon being told us right, he's not
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  really in this mix. So you have those three players. And I'll give
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  a spoiler right now. This is the only position battle that I have written
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  down. I know the Bills have some outstanding roster starting jobs available potentially at
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  right guarded cornerback too, But the difference between the right guard stuff and the
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  cornerback stuff versus middle linebacker is I actually like the contenders at card and at
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  cornerback, all right. So like I'm confident that they have a starting caliber
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  or player or two at corner or right guard, I'm not sure they have
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  one at middle linebacker. And you hear everybody, whether it's Sean McDermott or
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  Brandon Bean or Bobby Babbage or Micah Hyde say the most important thing that this
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  middle linebacker does is they communicate, and they make sure that the defense is
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  on the same page. And you heard Micah Hyde say, if that guy's
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  wrong, we're all wrong, right. And so this is a big job.
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  So not only do you have to play well, you have to communicate.
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  And none of these guys have any significant amount of experience doing this.
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  And so there's a big piece of me that I don't know if fears the
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  word, but I'm gonna go with fear. I fear that Tyrell Dotson's gonna
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  win this job. And the reason why I fear that is because the Bills,
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  and I think this is quite clear if you look at their history,
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  they like what they're familiar with. And the feather in Tyrelle Dotson's hat is
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  that he's been around since twenty nineteen and the team stuck with him through some
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  pretty challenging personal stuff. But his time on task to steal a McDermott phrase
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  is greater than Dotson, excuse me, greater than Bernard or Williams. And
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  I just I feel like there's a good chance that it's his job to lose.
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  Now. Where Dotson probably gives you something intriguing is I think he might
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  be the best downhill player of those three based on the sample sizes of film
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  that I've watched, both in college and the pros, but I think he's
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  probably the most limited in terms of athleticism and coverage, which is really what
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  you probably want the most out of that position, especially when you do have
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  a good de tackle situation, especially with like Dai Kwon Jones of Punaford and
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  what they can be as run stoppers, and even at Oliver I think is
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  a good run stopper, Greg Ruso, Like, you've got run stoppers stuffers
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  up front, so you feel like you can work with Williams or Bernard and
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  really be excited about their range and what they can give you in coverage and
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  as a matchup player. But I just feel like at the end of the
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  day, the Bills are going to say to themselves, Tyrold Dodson's been here
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  since twenty nineteen, and we just have the most level of comfort with him.
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  And so while I'm leaning into Tyroll Dodson right now, any one of
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  the three would concern me for different reasons. And you know, Sean mcdermot's
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  taking over as this play caller for the defense and he's doing so with this
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  and I don't know, Man I just have a level of concern about it.
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  It's not higher on my list because I am mindful of the position right
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  and that they do have really good things around this linebacker, both from Matt
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  Milano in the back seven collectively and of course what you have with the front
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  like that all gives me a lot of hope. You have great defensive coaching,
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  but someone's got to get in there and execute and call this defense and
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  execute. So and I don't know that I love any one of these three
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  options. I hope I'm wrong, but it gives me a lot of concern
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  right now. So I had two follow up questions for you. You answered
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  the one I thought of. My question first question of you know, who
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  do you think could potentially win this job? You think there's a front runner,
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  so potentially Dodson for you flip to the other side, who would Again,
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  I'm in a similar boat, like it's kind of like you're picking the
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  least of all the evils. Who would you feel most comfortable with starting on
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  day one? Who is the lesser of all the evils at the middle linebacker
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  spot for you going into this season might be Dorian Williams, as I think
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  he has the best combination of signs an athleticism, um, and he's I
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  think coming out of college at least I think he had the best resume with
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  Bernard. I like the athleticism, he's a guy that had injuries at Baylor.
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  I don't like what concerns me about Terrell Bernard is I don't think that
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  he naturally takes good angles, right. I worry about pursuit leverage with with
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  Terrell Bernard Um. I like, what if you can see ball, get
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  ball, shoot a gap, make a play behind the line of scrimmage,
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  Like I think he can do that. He has athleticism, he just feels
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  like a thinker out there when he has to be. And like sometimes that's
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  just that's a bad combination in the NFL. Like if you're a tardy processor
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  and you have to read and react and you're a tick slow, that's that's
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  hurtful, especially when you're a smaller linebacker. Like if you get him sending,
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  you send him into the line of scrimmage. I like a lot of
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  what Terrell Bernard can give you, but I think as a consistent player,
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  in terms of asking him to read and react, I have a level of
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  concern about that. So I don't know. Maybe it's just completely the devil.
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  You don't know um, And that's that's what Dorian Williams is for me.
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  I'm great concerned about him being a rookie. I didn't love his tape
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  at Tulane, but I guess because of the upside, I think he's got
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  the best upside of any of the three. I find myself hoping. I
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  guess very smally that it's him. Yeah, it's a weird I'm in a
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  similar boat, like I. I like Donny and Williams's length and the speed
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  and the burst, and then I wonder, like, Okay, well you
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  know he and you're seeing on the tape. And Brandon Bean said as much
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  initially in his first press conference before he and McDermot kind of walked back some
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  of these comments. But the simplistic defense that he came from a Tulane like
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  they ran a lot of just like spot drop kind of coverages, and it's
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  like, Okay, how does he now this doesn't mean he can't pick these
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  things up, but how does he adjust to more of like a match perspective
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  in terms of who he has to carry and who he has to pick up?
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  And you see it sparingly on tape. There are three off the top
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  of my head, in like the six games I watched or five where you
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  know, he carries a tight end post all the way down the field and
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  he carries a slot receiver. But it's like, okay, how does he
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  adjust to that consistently? How does he process? But you look at the
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  physicality and the measurables and it's like, oh, like this could be fun.
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  And then I see Bernard. I think about what Frazier said last year
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  and how strong he is on the white board and how smart he is and
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  coming from Dave Randa's system, and you mentioned a piece that I love about
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  him when he comes forward as like a blitzer. It's beautiful. He's either
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  getting through the gap or he is demolishing someone on the way there. And
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  then I think, okay, like if we lean into some of the pieces
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  that you and I talked about when we talked to when we talked on your
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  show about what this Bill's defense could be potentially this year, the idea of
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  oh, maybe there's a little change in the scheme or the calls and they
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  blitz the linebackers more and use more different fronts and maybe Bernard's just this heat
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  seeking missile that goes to that piece, but I can't. Despite his athleticism,
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  I felt like a Baylor and it showed up some times in the preseason,
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  especially against the Colts against their one backup tight end on a drag route.
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  I just feel like he's and I don't know if it's because he's thinking
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  too much or if he's just slow footed, but there's times where I just
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  feel like, man, like he's moving in quicksand, and I feel like
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  he shouldn't be moving in quicksand, and that worries me a little bit.
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  And there's no there's no right answer for anything. I don't want Dodson because
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  I just have the Cleveland game last year sticking in my brain, right yep,
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  Detroit just what And then in relation to what the defense looked like with
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  Edmonds out against Minnesota, which I don't think it's not the completely the night
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  day, and so then you're like, okay, like you took this And
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  this could also be mitigated a lot by what Sean McDermott does. And some
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  of this is related to one of the points in my list. I'm gonna
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  save some of it, but maybe Sean McDermott conmtigates some of this by scheming
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  around it if you have any deficiencies or vulnerabilities, and if the scheme changes,
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  perhaps some of the athleticism that was heaped upon this position with Tremaine Evans,
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  maybe it switches and changes a little bit. But it's a very scary
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  thing knowing you're going from this hyper athletic, intelligent guy to what you have
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  now, no disrespect, you're missing out on some combination of the athleticism or
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  intelligent guy at this point right now, and you have to figure out how
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  to okay, Like which is the least of all these evils, which whole
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  are we most comfortable within this player's skill set to place them in there?
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  And just from like an individual micro roster perspective on the defensive side of the
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  ball. Yeah, it's got to be the biggest question because you you also
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  genuinely don't know what you have, Like if it's Dodson, if it's Bernard,
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  if it's williams Helly, if I'll throw everybody in there, if it's
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  Specter, if it's Klein, Right, Like, the only one with true
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  sample size starting in the NFL is aj Klein, but that sample size came
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  when he was a much different player in his youth, so that's not even
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  really relevant anymore. You don't know what you have. It's like a mystery
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  box, but like kind of scary because like you're like, oh, mystery
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  box, it could be anything in there, but it's more like, no,
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  it could be anything, and that's kind of scary. Yeah, your
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  face is at all, like it's kind of scary. I like that point.
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  I like it a lot. So again that relays too. I didn't
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  cheat, but I combine that with another point for point two for me,
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  so I like where your head's at. My number three and I mean my
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  number three here is a bit of good and a bit of potentially bad from
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  a question perspective, but I really lean into more of it from like a
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  question mark of oh, because like what the potential and the possibilities could be.
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  My number three is Ken Dorsey and what he does in year two as
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  an offensive coordinator. Last year, I felt at the culmination of the year,
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  I really felt two things with the Bill's offense. I felt and I
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  don't think these are necessarily unique to me. Some of them it might be,
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  but I thought Ken Dorsey had room to grow and improve as an OC.
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  But I do want to say this, and I've said a bunch on
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  the show, I do think he had a better year that he gets credit
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  for. I don't know when in the year, but some like midway maybe
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  the three quarters stretch, it seemed like he became the low hanging fruit for
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  any and every problem that the offense had at any point, even and there's
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  options underneath, and Josh Allen's taking the jeep shot everybody so well, Dorsey's
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  only call in verticals and that wasn't happening conversation for another time, but he
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  had room to improve and grow going into year two. That was one of
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  the things I felt, and one of the other pieces from an offensive standpoint,
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  I also felt the Bills could serve themselves well by differentiating and adding to
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  their weaponry group and upgrading the offensive line. And you come into this offseason.
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  I like what they've done with their weapons. I like the skill sets
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  and how dynamic the weapon group is for the Bills wide receivers, tight end
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  and running back. I like the hardy piece. I like the Sherefield piece.
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  Kincaid, you and I have talked about a lot did in an episode
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  on your show. I like the Damien Harris piece as a compliment, even
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  the Latavious Murray option. I like the new elements that are added to the
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  offense from a skill set perspective and from a schematic potential perspective. I think
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  the Bills offense now has the ability to threaten to defense in a multitude the
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  ways, purely by either personnel or alignment or both, which is tremendously fun.
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  Go to the offensive line, I think the offensive line got better overall.
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  I think Connor McGovern fits well into this offensive line with his athleticism and
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  his proficiency in pass protection, and no disrespect to Roger Staffold, I think
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  he's a legitimate upgrade for Roger Staffold. My biggest thing with McGovern is,
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  even if you think McGovern is like a B minus or a B that's a
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  huge upgrade from like a C plus or a D minus that Roger Staffold was
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  frequently last year. Then you have the Osiris Torrance pick, who at the
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  very least gives you more depth overall on the offensive line. And I do
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  have questions about how he'll handle quickness and speed at this level, but I
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  like the pick. I like the dynamic he adds. I like physical downhill
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  football, and he's physical. He's a maller, he's a people mover.
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  He gives you that downhill element which wasn't present before in this Bill's offensive line.
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  Especially on the interior. You've got guys like Bates and Morse and McGovern
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  who are all like three hundred and five pounds here, three hundred and seven
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  pounds here, and then o Cyrus Torrence walks in at three thirty. He's
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  not this dude you want out in space like necessarily leaving climb into the second
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  level at times like's you want him as that down blocker. You want him
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  going downhill, whether it's duo or inside zone, and these pieces of what
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  he offers from a strength and physical perspective, And if he wins that right
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  guard spot, I also like that option because then it means Ryan Bates is
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  potentially a super sub for any spot on the interior of your offensive line and
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  maybe maybe, maybe maybe maybe even tackle in a pinch, but that's more
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  of a long shot. So now in year two for Ken Dorsey, for
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  me, I think a big question mark is how does use what he now
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  has at his disposal. I did not feel on offense last year from a
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  talent perspective or from a skill set dynamic perspective, that the Bills had the
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  quality needed at the end of the year when you looked at who the final
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  four teams were in the conference championships last year. I think the Bills have
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  remedied that a bit this offseason, which means more options for Ken Dorsey to
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  succeed, more fun, more variety, multiplicity all of these pieces, but
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  also more potential blame that could fall on his shoulders if he isn't able to
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  improve and or succeed given what he now has Holistically at his disposal, when
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  you look at the entire wide receiver in corps, at the tight end room,
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  the running backs, the offensive line, and then I also have an
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  overall question of just what in general the offensive the offense will look like,
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  personnel usage, snap shares, and also how much do they run the ball
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  and what kind of scheme do they use to run the ball. I think
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  the Bills offense has the potential to be one of the most varied offenses in
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  the NFL, with the ability to win in the past and the run,
• 21:40
  and to do so with a variety of schemes and dimensions. And I know
• 21:42
  it's a passing league and the Bills have Josh Allen, but I think between
• 21:45
  the legs of Josh Allen, the running back room they have, the old
• 21:48
  line they have, and then coach Aaron Cromer, I think this could be
• 21:52
  one of the best from an efficiency standpoint, run games in the league and
• 21:56
  something the Bills could really lean into. That was one of my biggest criticisms
• 21:59
  for Dorsey on the stretch. I felt like he could have leaned even more
• 22:02
  into that run game. It started to really click, and it seemed like
• 22:06
  he just didn't stick with it enough. So that's my number three. I
• 22:11
  have some follow up points there, but it would take away from something I
• 22:15
  have coming here in a minute. So I think it's a very valid concern
• 22:19
  and one that I'll expand upon when I get an opportunity here coming up.
• 22:23
  I like it. I like it. You'll see when and when I go
• 22:26
  into my two. I wrestled very much with two and three and trying to
• 22:30
  figure out what was what was what, So I like it. I like
• 22:34
  it all right. Now we move on to number two in this list.
• 22:40
  Again for those of you just joining us biggest Buffalo. Bill's question marks for
• 22:42
  twenty twenty three. Myself and Joe Marino, we started with our number threes.
• 22:45
  Now we're going on to number two. Joe, the floor is yours.
• 22:49
  Take it away. Yeah, number two for me, and I feel
• 22:53
  pretty good about this, Like this is what's different about this is why it's
• 22:57
  two and not three. It's Brown at right tackle, and man, nothing,
• 23:04
  I won't say nothing. A few things could mean more to the Bills
• 23:08
  success in twenty twenty three. Then Spencer Brown realizing his ceiling at right tackle.
• 23:14
  And Spencer is supremely gifted in terms of size, athleticism, He's got
• 23:19
  it all. And I say this a lot, but I'm not being hyperbolic
• 23:22
  when I say Spencer Brown's probably the best athlete on the Bills team and one
• 23:26
  of the better athletes and the entire NFL when you consider size and athleticism.
• 23:32
  And he's had a bumpy start to his career, but I think when you
• 23:36
  understand the context, you can appreciate and I feel like it's pretty valid that
• 23:41
  he has been up and down to this point where you know, he grows
• 23:45
  up in small town, USA eight man high school football where he plays tight
• 23:51
  end. He goes to Northern Iowa, he plays offensive tackle for two seasons.
• 23:55
  That's it. Two seasons of offensive tackle at Northern Iowa. Doesn't have
• 23:59
  a twenty twenty campaign at all. His last year at Northern i was canceled,
• 24:03
  so he's not playing football at all in a huge year for development.
• 24:07
  Still goes to the NFL and he's a third round pick by the Bills,
• 24:11
  and at Week four he becomes a Bill starting right tackle, and he elevated
• 24:17
  the Bill's offensive line in twenty twenty one. He legitimately did while he was
• 24:22
  still shaky, he elevated the unit, especially the run blocking. And he
• 24:27
  gets injured right He has a back problem, and he spends the entire offseason
• 24:33
  between twenty one and twenty twenty two rehabbing a back injury, so much so
• 24:37
  that it was questionable whether he was gonna be ready to go to start the
• 24:40
  season. He had very few practice reps to start his second season, and
• 24:45
  he winds up like starting Week one against the Rams, and I thought he
• 24:49
  was really shaky for most of the season. I thought he played better football
• 24:52
  later, but like I mentioned, like there's just been a tough stretch for
• 25:00
  him to start his career. It's hard to believe that anybody could come in
• 25:03
  and play good football under those circumstances. And now he has the opportunity to
• 25:11
  play a season where he's had a normal offseason for the first time in a
• 25:15
  long time and prepared to be the bill starting right tackle. And I just
• 25:18
  feel like there's a lot of momentum here. He's supremely gifted. He's been
• 25:23
  through a sheriff ups and downs already in his career, and his growth is
• 25:33
  so big for this football team. We're talking about the offensive tackle, starting
• 25:36
  offensive tackle for Josh Allen, right, you want to talk about the offensive
• 25:38
  line getting better. Spencer Brown playing better would be huge. Yeah. And
• 25:42
  so it's not like I like that you're phrasing this as a question mark,
• 25:48
  because you could you could say concern, and that's fine. It is a
• 25:52
  concern, But to me, it's it's a question mark. But it's something
• 25:53
  that I think as the pendulum swings on, yes he does good football or
• 26:00
  no, he's still inconsistent, where that lands is going to mean a lot
• 26:03
  for the success the offense. And you know, Josh Allen in twenty twenty
• 26:08
  three very torn on what to say next because of I'm just going into one
• 26:19
  to have a big conversation. So Spencer Brown is my number one, okay,
• 26:25
  And this is the cool part of the conversation, right Like you and
• 26:30
  I recognize the ceiling piece, and I love that you touched on that.
• 26:33
  The reason he's my one and the biggest question mark isn't because of the ceiling
• 26:38
  piece. For me, it's what the floor is. What is Spencer Brown's
• 26:44
  floor rum blocking, like you talked about. I love the rum blocking piece,
• 26:48
  and it's really fun to see him succeed there. Like when he run
• 26:52
  blocks, whether it's in or around the box or out in space, you
• 26:56
  really see him be able to tap into that athleticism and the physicality and the
• 26:59
  length and the size. Like it's a fun thing to watch him pull or
• 27:03
  get out in space or climb to the second level. He's physical, he's
• 27:06
  nasty, he's quick, he's fluid, he's smooth. Past protection is extremely
• 27:11
  shaky. And he's my biggest question. He was one of my biggest questions
• 27:15
  last year and for me again it's the same question for him this year.
• 27:18
  What does his floor look like? And last year's floor was rough. He
• 27:23
  especially from a past protection standpoint, a super mercurial player, a roller coaster
• 27:29
  that you do not want to be on. And to your point, and
• 27:32
  something I mentioned on the show, the injury concerns every everything you hit on
• 27:36
  it. Eight man Football Northern Iowa No. Twenty twenty comes into the league.
• 27:41
  Was not was just supposed to, you know, simmer and cook and
• 27:44
  learn the game, and it's like, Nope, pretty much quartermark of the
• 27:47
  year. You got to go in and learn right away, and you gotta
• 27:49
  learn. You gotta learn. You gotta learn how to play right tackle on
• 27:53
  the job in the NFL for a team that has championship aspirations. And then
• 27:59
  you go into the next year and exactly your point, he's not really getting
• 28:02
  training camp reps, he's not getting offseason reps, he's not getting preseason reps.
• 28:07
  And for a position group in the offensive line, chemistry is so so
• 28:11
  important from a checks and knowledge standpoint, even just to the little things of
• 28:17
  what it's like to work a double team with the man next to you and
• 28:19
  for you to each feel like, Okay, who's going to pull off when
• 28:22
  and understand how they move and how they step like you need to have that
• 28:26
  chemistry piece. He didn't get any of that, and then when he does
• 28:29
  play, he's playing banged up for a majority of the year. What still
• 28:33
  worries me with that is, again, I know he was banged up,
• 28:36
  which definitely impacted his play, but for me, it just muddies the waters
• 28:40
  even further because it's not like we can say, well, you know he
• 28:42
  was hurt last year, but when healthy guy's been a stud or he's been
• 28:48
  solid because overall he hasn't which to your point again, and like I've said
• 28:52
  on the show, it's understandable given the timeline and trajectory that he's been on
• 28:56
  as a player, but his floor for me is a vulnerability. The ceiling
• 29:02
  is super fun and I do think he's good as a rum blocker. Again,
• 29:04
  you see all those fun pieces. He's legit in that aspect, but
• 29:07
  as a pass protector he's inconsistent and a liability at times. One of my
• 29:11
  favorite things in evaluating college tape in college offensive lineman, I love a good
• 29:15
  snatch trap. Darnell Wright from Tennessee this past year had a really beautiful one.
• 29:21
  It's rare when you see an offensive lineman gets snatched trapped by a defensive
• 29:26
  lineman and I've seen that happen to Spencer Brown. He gets so far out
• 29:29
  in front of his feet, they chop his hands and he falls forward,
• 29:32
  and guys are just beating him around the ark quick and exactly to your point.
• 29:34
  For a team with a top tier QB, a top tier wide receiver,
• 29:38
  a new dynamic and complement of weapons overall, and I think overall and
• 29:45
  above average offensive line from left tackle to right guard, Spencer Brown sticks out
• 29:49
  in a tremendous way. The advanced metrics were poor last year of eighty eight
• 29:53
  tackles with at least twenty percent of past protection snaps, in twenty twenty two,
• 29:59
  Spencer Brown was tied for sixty ninth out of those eighty eight tackles in
• 30:03
  pass block efficiency. Of the two hundred and six offensive lineman total. Not
• 30:07
  just tackles with at least twenty percent of pass pro snaps, he was tied
• 30:11
  for one hundred and eightieth in pass block efficiency in true pass sets and seventieth
• 30:17
  amongst the eighty eight tackles. Two pass sets are four more rushers, no
• 30:22
  play actions, no screens, no short drop backs, and two or more
• 30:25
  seconds time to throw. And if you're looking for volume, he was tied
• 30:27
  for the eighth most pressures allowed in twenty twenty two amongst all offensive lineman and
• 30:32
  tied for the fifth most amongst all tackles. I like the ceiling. I'm
• 30:36
  still excited. I'm not completely down or out on him, but exactly your
• 30:40
  point. Again, you said it like, you have one of the best
• 30:42
  players in the entire league and one of the best quarterbacks in Josh Allen,
• 30:45
  and if you have a vulnerability at a key premium spot, it really shifts
• 30:52
  to what It shifts what you can do and what you can get to.
• 30:56
  And it concerns me greatly. And that's why it's my one. Granted,
• 31:00
  you know, echoing a lot of your similar sentiments. So we had a
• 31:02
  great, great spoiler for your number one. We just kind of did the
• 31:04
  thing there. Let me um make a statement and then let's can I take
• 31:10
  you into the spin cycle for a little bit. Sure, because this this
• 31:12
  might be one of my biggest stretches ever, but I'm curious to put it
• 31:15
  on your I saw you que and stuff up as I was speaking, and
• 31:18
  I was like, he's got something good coming up. I'm excited for you.
• 31:22
  Well, okay, so the first thing, and what I was queuing
• 31:25
  up, was you mentioned one of your big concerns is not so much the
• 31:29
  ceiling, it's the floor With Spencer Brown, I tell you that, I
• 31:32
  think you got your answer. I think his floor is what we've watched so
• 31:34
  far in the NFL. I'm hopeful right that he's done. He's played as
• 31:37
  bad a football as you ever will in his career. Right. So,
• 31:42
  while that's true, the Bills have still had a top three offense in both
• 31:48
  seasons with him as a starting right tackle. Right, So, like the
• 31:51
  Bills have become I don't want, I don't want to use the wrong word
• 31:55
  here, but they've become accustomed to invintigating around his inc just in play.
• 32:00
  Right. That's that's been a standard in this top three offense that we watched
• 32:04
  over the last two years. You're ready for the spin cycle, like it,
• 32:08
  and I fully acknowledge this can be a stretch. Everybody knows Josh Allen
• 32:15
  rolling to his right is lethal, right, And you probably will listen to
• 32:20
  Josh on the Bustling with the Boys podcast, right, And they kind of
• 32:22
  talked about this a little bit. He said, you know, look,
• 32:24
  I still get right. Though you know I still get right. Is And
• 32:29
  here's the spin, Anthony, is there some benefit for him, Like when
• 32:35
  you're going up against Spencer Brown as a pass rusher right now, you're probably
• 32:37
  pretty excited about that opportunity, right and maybe you're not being his discipline,
• 32:43
  You're kind of selling out a little bit, and maybe that's exactly what you
• 32:46
  want. If you're Josh Allen. Come on, come on, baby,
• 32:50
  okay, come on, come beat this right tackle because I'm gonna get outside
• 32:53
  you right on the front door. Yeah, Like like you're just not gonna
• 32:58
  you're If I'm a pass rusher and I'm going Againstpencer Brown, I'm a good
• 33:00
  NFL pass rusher, So I cannot relate with any of this, But I'm
• 33:02
  just putting myself into that mindset. I'm gonna be very reluctant to contain rush
• 33:09
  because I feel like I could beat this guy. I'm gonna sell out.
• 33:14
  I'm trying to beat his ass and I'm gonna trying to get to Josh Allen.
• 33:16
  And that's exactly what Josh Allen would like for me to do. So
• 33:20
  there's my spin. And maybe it's a major stretch and I've never thought about
• 33:22
  it until this moment. I think that's fair though. I think that's a
• 33:28
  fair point. My wordy with that is, I do we are we staying
• 33:34
  in that spot where we're asking so much of Josh Allen to that point.
• 33:37
  That's a great response. That's a great response, like I And that was
• 33:40
  one of my biggest tying it to a Ken Dorsey piece as well. I
• 33:44
  felt like even when the offense was really clicking last year, a lot of
• 33:47
  it was still like, hey, Josh, go do something. Hey,
• 33:52
  you know, Josh's a unicorn, so I'm just gonna have Josh be a
• 33:54
  unicorn. It was like, no, every once in a while, getting
• 33:57
  some easy buttons, or let him just survey things from the hocket and and
• 34:00
  and find. You know, give give me some semblance of an easy button,
• 34:04
  whether m Josh has got to take the easy button too, And I'm
• 34:06
  glad you said yes, Like he's just ignoring very easy throws and he just
• 34:13
  doesn't take them. Yeah, what a game was it, dude? Um
• 34:16
  games? I got one off the top of it was it was it was
• 34:19
  a checkdown throw I think to Q Morris maybe against Chicago it was a it
• 34:24
  was a checkdown throw to Kei Morsey like caught the ball and turning up the
• 34:28
  field ran it for like eleven years. It might have been Gilliam, Actually
• 34:30
  might have been Gilliam. It's one of those two players. I think it
• 34:31
  was Morris. I think it was. It was one of those two players.
• 34:35
  I know it was, and I thought to myself, My god,
• 34:37
  I've never wanted to see that completion more in my life. He took it.
• 34:39
  Yeah. Yeah. So I think of the end of twenty twenty one
• 34:46
  in New England when the division is kind of up for grabs, and I'm
• 34:52
  just picturing donta high tower and Bentley dropping deep in in cover two and he's
• 34:58
  just like, oh, I'm just gonna check it down to Devin Singles and
• 35:00
  he's gonna run for fifteen because there's no one around him. And then I
• 35:01
  juxtapose it with the playoff game against Miami and they're up seventeen nothing. It's
• 35:08
  first and ten at the fifty and he's got Singletary, who I believe it's
• 35:12
  play actions. Singletary releases and he curls up over Morse. There's no one
• 35:15
  around him, and you're up seventeen and you're at the fifty. All I
• 35:20
  has to do is check it down, and legitimately, even if Singletary just
• 35:22
  catches it and turns against tackling right away, it's a gain of five let
• 35:25
  but there's space. He could easily get the first down. Instead, he
• 35:29
  chucks it deep for no reason, gets picked by Xavier at Howard, and
• 35:32
  Howard returns it. Miami starts to generate some moment. I love that point,
• 35:36
  and I'm I feel like I keep getting like into this conversation and I
• 35:42
  don't want to because it makes me seem like this giant Ken Dorsey apologist and
• 35:45
  I'm not. But I do think there's so many things that well, he's
• 35:50
  calling all these deep shots. He's calling all these deep shots. There's other
• 35:52
  routes that are being run. Josh is not taking them. He is going
• 35:57
  for the throat and he and he does that way everything. When the same
• 36:01
  thing that go clicks in Josh Allen's brain when he gains eight yards on first
• 36:06
  and ten and sees a linebacker, the thing that clicks in his brain that
• 36:08
  goes, I'm gonna truck that guy to get another one or two yards.
• 36:12
  It's the same thing that goes in his brain of like oh a crosser,
• 36:15
  nah, deep shot, and he chucks it and sometimes it works and sometimes
• 36:20
  it doesn't. And that's the Yunity Yang. It's the same thing when he
• 36:23
  were playing against Miami on that Saturday night at the end of the first half
• 36:28
  and he wastes all that time, but he finds James Cook for the touchdown.
• 36:30
  That was a horrible decision. You cost a team three points minimum if
• 36:36
  it's an incompletion. But guess what, he got a TV out of it,
• 36:37
  and everybody's going to think, Wow, what an amazing play. That
• 36:40
  was not the smart play. But that's Josh Allen. That's the Yunity Yang.
• 36:44
  He's a risk reward type of guy. And yes, there are other
• 36:47
  pieces I love. I love that there's Dorsey's not out there just calling four
• 36:52
  verts on every play. There's progressions, there's layers. Granted, he could
• 36:55
  do some more in terms of making making the route concepts merge more with one
• 37:00
  another instead of having it just be like split field reads and certain coverage beaters
• 37:05
  and the pieces together there. But yeah, and I want more easiness for
• 37:10
  Josh Allen from a Ken Dorsey perspective, and I also want it from the
• 37:15
  player perspective, And I get I don't think it was too crazy of a
• 37:17
  stretch with your Spencer Brown piece. I think there could be some legitimas legitimacy
• 37:22
  to that invite the upfield rush because guess what happens if Josh Allen gets outside.
• 37:25
  It's chaos creation and that's where Allen f thrives. But what worries me
• 37:30
  is it's another piece of having to be like, it's fine, Josh will
• 37:32
  correct for it. It's fine, Josh will take care of it, and
• 37:36
  it's like man like man, I don't want to have to rely on him
• 37:39
  to do that. But I don't think it was too much of a stretch.
• 37:43
  Well, so here here's a little bit of like a I wouldn't call
• 37:46
  it a counterpoint, but just another thing to introduced to base off the stuff
• 37:50
  that you said there. And I really do agree with what you said.
• 37:52
  I really do offenses, and you hear this from defenses, right, Defenses
• 38:00
  on a limit explosives. Right, if you get a play on a drive
• 38:04
  that's twenty plus yards or more, your chances of scoring on that drive goes
• 38:07
  up three times, right, And so surely, I mean, yeah,
• 38:12
  Josh is an aggressive quarterback, but that's got to be part of the thought
• 38:15
  process, right, if we can get these explosives. Defenses are trying to
• 38:19
  not let you get explosives because they're keenly aware that they rather make you be
• 38:22
  patient. And I think I think threading the needle between being patient and also
• 38:30
  being aggressive is very, very hard. Yeah. Absolutely, And I felt
• 38:32
  what's funny though, is I felt like Josh kind of had it figured out
• 38:35
  in the middle of the season. Yes, so like that's where it's like,
• 38:38
  well at the end of twenty exactly. Yeah, I don't feel like
• 38:45
  what I don't think consistent of it. Yeah, yeah, I think that's
• 38:49
  a very fair point, Like it's just all of a sudden. Yeah,
• 38:52
  I don't know if it was, you know when it's funny too, Like
• 38:53
  you mentioned the torque thing, and I started to wonder, like with the
• 38:55
  elbow injury, maybe he can't throw or and intermediate and maybe it helps him
• 39:01
  to feel like he can just cock back a little and go deep and it
• 39:05
  doesn't hurt the elbow, and maybe that's why he's pushing it a little more.
• 39:07
  Like it could be like one of life's little mysteries like that. I
• 39:10
  think it's a bad man, yeah, because well, has there ever time
• 39:13
  to throw an average depth of target post week nine, it's changed drastically.
• 39:15
  Well exactly what happened well the throwing elbow, and then you listened to Kyle
• 39:20
  Trimble's analysis on the torque required for shorter throws versus the longer throws and accuracy.
• 39:24
  It's like, all right, that sounds good to me. I'll buy
• 39:28
  Yeah. And the difference of what he was doing on the left side versus
• 39:30
  the right side, and you kind of if you want to connect those puzzle
• 39:32
  pieces and put those bread crumbs together, You're like, oh, there's some
• 39:36
  legitimacy there. Yea, oh fun fun. Oh wait, so then I
• 39:38
  guess this means I need to go with my number two. Then yeah,
• 39:43
  he's sort of you've done your one. It feels it feels like you did
• 39:45
  you number one. I did my one? All right? Cool? So
• 39:49
  now so your number one is Spencer Brown, your number three was it?
• 39:54
  So now here we are with your two. Here we are two jumped around,
• 39:59
  jumped around. That's what comes of the overlap. It's fun and exciting.
• 40:00
  I like it. So this ties a little bit into your number three,
• 40:05
  which was the Bills linebacker position. My number two overall is the Bills
• 40:09
  defensive front, D line plus linebackers. I'm going to start with the D
• 40:14
  line, which I really really like. But it feels like every year the
• 40:19
  Bills defensive line has been a focal point and or talking point for the offseason
• 40:23
  for this team, either in the draft, in free agency, or both.
• 40:27
  Last year the group really fizzled out once von Miller went down. Metrics
• 40:30
  went down. Metrics speak to it, the tape speaks to it. It
• 40:34
  was very much less than ideal. This year they add poon Afford, who
• 40:37
  I like from a versatility perspective. I've said it a bunch like I just
• 40:40
  wasn't prepared when I went back and watched the Seattle tape, I just wasn't
• 40:44
  prepared for the variety of fronts the Seahawks used and how poon Afford functioned in
• 40:49
  there. Like he's at one tech, he's at a zero, he's at
• 40:52
  a shade, he's at a three tech, he's at a four eye,
• 40:53
  he's at a five. Like, I just wasn't Did you hear Pete Carroll's
• 40:57
  comments on that, Like after the season, Yeah, he commented on he
• 41:00
  says, yeah, we says we we did wrong by Puna. He lives
• 41:02
  in the A gaps he's like, that's that's his home, and we put
• 41:07
  too much on him asking him to play in some of those wider lines.
• 41:08
  They came out literally candidly said it, Yeah, that's super cool. Nice
• 41:13
  plug, nice Paul. I did not know that. That's awesome. And
• 41:15
  yeah, I mean you see him succeed in there, and I'm all for
• 41:19
  versatility and differentiation, but yeah, like stick plug him in the A gap,
• 41:22
  put him in the interior, which I think is where he's going to
• 41:23
  live with the Bills. I like that edition. I really like the Leonard
• 41:29
  Floyd edition, just from a competent, proven edge rusher, which I think
• 41:32
  you need if and or when von Miller miss his time, and even when
• 41:36
  he comes back, at worst he's the third or second man with Von and
• 41:40
  group, which you can never have too much pass rush. So I like
• 41:45
  that piece. They ad Poona, they add Leonard Floyd, they extend at
• 41:47
  Oliver, and they returned the majority of last year's defensive line. But within
• 41:52
  all of that, I still have questions, and so it's kind of like
• 41:55
  good and because if these questions are answered, they're phenomenal. But Ken Jordan
• 42:00
  Phillips stay healthy, Ken Ed Oliver, stay healthy, and reduces inconsistency.
• 42:04
  How healthy is von Miller? What does year three Greg Rousseau look like?
• 42:07
  Does he take a jump? And how much? Year four ajf Andessa I
• 42:10
  thought he played better down the stretch last year that he gets credit for.
• 42:15
  Does he take a jump? And how much Year three Boogie Basham, who
• 42:17
  I had never been high on. Does he take a jump? And how
• 42:21
  much? What do we get from Floyd and Ford? What does the rotation
• 42:23
  look like? The defensive line is so tremendously important in general versus the run
• 42:29
  game, but especially when you play nickel or use light boxes, or even
• 42:35
  more so when you play nickel with light boxes like the Bills do. In
• 42:38
  twenty twenty two, the Bill's top three defensive personnel groups all had five dbs,
• 42:43
  majority of that is Nickel. A total of ninety four percent of their
• 42:46
  packages on defense had five dbs, again the heavy majority that is Nickel,
• 42:51
  and then they had fifty six percent. They were rolling with a fifty six
• 42:54
  percent light box rate, which is the seventh most in the league. From
• 42:58
  a pass first perspective, it's self explained tory. You know, can you
• 43:00
  get to the QB and how often? But the Bills like to and again
• 43:05
  this may shift a little bit depending on what McDermott does, but the Bills
• 43:07
  traditionally have liked to have numbers in coverage. They want to rush for if
• 43:10
  they can get you with four, that's what they want to do. Drop
• 43:14
  seven, two high looks, single high looks, disguise coverage, wink wink,
• 43:17
  nudge, nudge, change the pre to post snap picture, all the
• 43:21
  shells and everything that they're doing. They like to have those numbers in coverage.
• 43:23
  You can't have that if you can't get pressure with four. And then
• 43:27
  also tying it into one of the episodes we did together, you and I
• 43:30
  talked about a lot of the fun possibilities of what the Bills could do schematically
• 43:35
  on defense under Sean McDermott this year. The varied fronts, the simulated pressures,
• 43:38
  the sub packages, all of those pieces. Those things become less fun
• 43:44
  and also easier to scheme against when you're doing them because you have to.
• 43:47
  When you have to use a simulated pressure to generate pressure because your front can't
• 43:51
  get there with four, that's a worrisome thing. And we've seen that EBB
• 43:54
  and flow over the past several years. Von Miller was supposed to be the
• 43:58
  cure all he gets banged up, everybody kind of again fizzles out, I
• 44:01
  think, you know, slowly fades away. Then tying that into the rest
• 44:06
  of the front, which is the linebackers, whoever starts opposite of Milano.
• 44:09
  We had a bit of this conversation earlier. There's already a legitimate concern of
• 44:14
  how much does it impact the coverages they play and the usage rates of those
• 44:17
  coverages. But then you're adding in the other piece, Okay, how clean
• 44:22
  do they have to be kept, how are they used? How much is
• 44:24
  Tremaine Edmands truly missed? And do the Bills move on from Tremaine Edmonds because
• 44:30
  someone steps up, or because Sean McDermott schemes around those deficiencies like we mentioned,
• 44:35
  or because the defensive line is so strong that kind of whoever you put
• 44:39
  in there, you can just let them be clean. I would love it
• 44:43
  with Donny Williams's burst and athleticism. I would love the idea of the Bills
• 44:47
  front is so nasty that Williams is just clean all the time and you can
• 44:51
  just let him buzz and fly and do whatever he wants, and then you're
• 44:52
  pairing that with Matt Milano, who loves to shoot gaps and cause havoc and
• 44:57
  just as a dog around the line of scrimmage, that's also a fun possibility.
• 45:01
  And so I have the question around the Bills front again, the defensive
• 45:05
  line plus the linebackers, not necessarily from like a negative perspective of like I'm
• 45:09
  worried or concerned about them, but it's a question mark because if they hit
• 45:14
  where we think they could hit, this defense with what we know what the
• 45:19
  secondary in theory should be. But man, if you pair it together with
• 45:22
  a truly nasty and diverse front and protective front, with that secondary just and
• 45:29
  with an offense that can score and tends to get out in front, and
• 45:31
  now you've got a defensive front that can just attack and go hunt against qbs
• 45:37
  and just penetrate and cause havoc. It's a fun possibility. But then there
• 45:42
  also is that a little bit of the negative kind of question mark of another
• 45:46
  year, another conversation about this group with more additions, more hope in some
• 45:52
  degrees, but also I think some more semblance of consistency. I think this
• 45:55
  is probably the strongest in terms of overall depth and variety they've had on the
• 46:00
  defensive line under Sean McDermott. I feel good about it, but it's still
• 46:04
  a question mark for me because of how important it is to this defense and
• 46:07
  what we've seen in years prior. I'm optimistic, I really am. I
• 46:12
  mean, it's it's basically all of them are back, plus Poona Ford and
• 46:15
  Leonard Floyd. Like, that's what you've done. Yeah, and you'd like
• 46:19
  to think that within the everyone being back, that there's a lot of growth
• 46:22
  from some of the young players. And man, I'm Greg Rousseau year three.
• 46:24
  I can't wait, dude, you did you and Eric did such a
• 46:27
  good job with him on that that episode. I've watched it. I've recommended
• 46:30
  it like two or three times on Lockdown Bills. So good. But man,
• 46:34
  like, what I've gained such an appreciation for from Rousseau in that conversation
• 46:40
  was just how much of a student of the game he was. Just like,
• 46:44
  dude, his recall, how important like every moment was, and how
• 46:47
  he was playing off guys and just what he was keying pre snap man.
• 46:52
  That was incredible. So thank you for bringing that to us. Thank you
• 46:55
  for that he hadn't just to plug that real quick like he you know,
• 47:00
  with that guy's being in the NFL, like how I was like physically gifted,
• 47:04
  they are, but it's just so impressive when you see somebody who can
• 47:07
  truly articulate the game, and he, to your point, he articulated everything.
• 47:10
  He was like, oh, like, I step with this book because
• 47:14
  I knew this. I watched the tackle do this, So I hit him
• 47:15
  here and I moved here and I grabbed him, you know, with his
• 47:19
  set this way, I'm trying to aim for the numbers on the inside of
• 47:22
  his chest and this is where I want to grab the breastplate and I want
• 47:23
  to do that because acts white like everything just what a football iq on him.
• 47:29
  And then you pair together with the length and the size and the athleticism
• 47:32
  and it's like, oh like imagine what like, look how smart he is
• 47:36
  and he's just in theory should continue to get better. Yeah. I was
• 47:38
  truly blown away by what and who he was between the ears and just how
• 47:44
  smart because you never really know unless you can sit and talk with him,
• 47:45
  and yeah, he was phenomenal. The Poon Afford quote I pulled it up
• 47:50
  here. It is from Pete Carroll after the season. This is on Poon
• 47:52
  Afford. Coming out of twenty twenty two, Carroll said, quote, he
• 47:57
  played a ton of football. We probably overplayed him. We would have liked
• 48:00
  him to rotate more. I really like him playing over the center, playing
• 48:04
  nose tackle. It's kind of his home base. He played a lot of
• 48:07
  three technique and five technique for us, which was pushing him to a spot
• 48:10
  that he's not familiar with. But he busted his tail. He's really instinctive
• 48:14
  always. But I think we wore him down quite a bit because we just
• 48:16
  had him play too much. Oh that's tremendously transparent and insightful from people's worthwhile
• 48:22
  quote. That's why I pulled it up there. Absolutely well done, Well
• 48:24
  done with that quote. Who all right? Anything anything on my number two?
• 48:30
  No? Ready to go to your number one. I'm ready to go
• 48:34
  to my number one. And this is something that we've talked a lot about
• 48:37
  already. So I want to hit it from a different angle. So I
• 48:39
  have it's Ken Dorsey, But the angle that I want to hit it from
• 48:44
  isn't so much like he has to be a better play caller, or he
• 48:49
  has to be more aligned with Josh Allen situational stuff like No, that's that's
• 48:53
  not what I want to focus in on. I just feel like Ken Dorsey
• 48:57
  and maybe I'm not sure I'll fully agree with myself here, but maybe if
• 49:01
  Brian day Ball still was the offensive coordinator, I could talk myself into agreeing
• 49:05
  with this. But the job ahead for Ken Dorsey to incorporate a lot at
• 49:13
  his disposal, I think, is what's going to be really challenging. And
• 49:15
  it's a big question mark for me. It's just a loaded group. I
• 49:20
  mean, you got Steph Diggs and his one hundred and fifty plus targets,
• 49:22
  but then you have other good receivers. Gabriel Davis is going to get his
• 49:28
  Trent Sherfield, Deontay Hardy. Where does Coli Secure factor into this mix.
• 49:31
  You're gonna incorporate twelve personnel that's not happened in Buffalo, right that this a
• 49:36
  completely new layer to the offense that we've never seen before. And so you
• 49:40
  have to install that and do it with a rookie, and you know,
• 49:44
  get your quarterback to probably reprograms reprogram himself in some ways because the way that
• 49:50
  the target distribution has went over the last three years has been wide receiver heavy,
• 49:53
  like really really heavy, and with very little production throwing the football to
• 49:58
  tight ends and running backs. You sort of feel like the personnel moves suggest
• 50:01
  that they want him to do that. So I just think that not only
• 50:05
  does he have a lot of work to do in terms of developing his counterpunt
• 50:08
  and punch and evolving things in year two, but doing so with a huge
• 50:14
  new personnel grouping and twelve personnel that again we haven't seen before, but also
• 50:20
  incorporating a lot of worthy options. And look, there's there's no way that
• 50:24
  everyone's going to be relevant, right like Shaqire Surefield, Hardy Knocks, Davis
• 50:30
  Kincaid, running backs that you want to throw the football to In Kincaid and
• 50:35
  cook In Hinds, Like, they're not all going to be meaningful players for
• 50:37
  this offense, but they all have a chance to be. And Ken Dorsey's
• 50:40
  got to like sort through this, and I'm sure he's already started working on
• 50:45
  that obviously, but training camp will present a very great opportunity to sort of
• 50:47
  out and figure it out and really like who are your guys? Right,
• 50:54
  Like how does this sort out? And it's gonna be fast to see unfold,
• 51:00
  and obviously doing so with you know, potentially at least one new starter
• 51:06
  on your offensive line. But I just feel like he's got a big job
• 51:09
  ahead of him. And I think one thing that we don't talk enough about
• 51:15
  with Ken Dorsey in year one are the things that perhaps he was counting on
• 51:19
  being true that just weren't true. And it's not as fault. It's not
• 51:22
  as fault. It's not as fault that oj Howard stinks and that the twelve
• 51:24
  personnel packages that they were trying to develop didn't happen. It's not as fault
• 51:30
  that Zach Moss wasn't the RB two that they thought he was going to be
• 51:31
  and they had to make some switches there and ringing into James Cook Moore and
• 51:36
  then trade for nihem Hines. It's not as fault that Josh Allen hurt his
• 51:38
  throwing elbow in Week nine against the Jets and didn't practice for like weeks after
• 51:44
  and had reduced practice reps while trying to on board a new you know,
• 51:49
  a new player in niheem Hines. It's not as fault that Roger Staffold was
• 51:52
  a complete disaster at left guard and Spencer Brown didn't take the step we all
• 51:57
  hope for in year two right there's just a lot of things, not to
• 52:00
  mentioned Jamison Crowder, his injury and what you probably thought he was getting.
• 52:02
  You lost two veterans at receiver in Kumerow and Crowder early in the season.
• 52:07
  Like, that's a lot to figure out. Oh, by the way,
• 52:09
  it's your first year doing this, you know what I mean? Like,
• 52:13
  can you give him a little grace? Wait? Wait, there was people
• 52:16
  concerned early in the season that Ken Dorsey was gonna be one and done.
• 52:20
  Is the OC and b someone's head coach right now? They finished second in
• 52:23
  dv AWAY last year offensively, and even when they struggled down the stretch,
• 52:27
  they were seventh or eighth when they were like when everybody was like, oh
• 52:30
  god, he's awful, it's like, yeah, they finished top ten still,
• 52:35
  So I stay, I'll have to say that he's got a big job
• 52:38
  to do. Yes, he's got a big job to do. And I
• 52:40
  think incorporating these skill sets in the best possible way for this offense like should
• 52:49
  be fun. I mean, that's gonna be a dream, right to figure
• 52:52
  that out with Josh Allen is your quarterback with a lot of you know,
• 52:55
  you got five guys on your offensive coaching staff, that have been OCAs in
• 52:59
  the league collaborate and get this thing figured out because there's so much potential for
• 53:05
  this offense. And I don't, like you said earlier, like I think
• 53:09
  you can look at last year's group and say, man, I just don't
• 53:13
  know if they have the talent. It's Josh Allen, Stefan Diggs, maybe
• 53:15
  a couple of good offensive linemen, and then you know, we'll see.
• 53:20
  I don't feel that way right now. I feel like they have a lot
• 53:22
  of opportunity to piece this together and be a really dynamic offense, and so
• 53:28
  doing that and that actually happening is my biggest question mark because I think if
• 53:34
  it becomes what it can, it's gonna be really fun Yeah, And I
• 53:39
  think that's it's I like that we had some overlap with our top three overall,
• 53:45
  but really it's funny too. Like I think we said a lot of
• 53:47
  the same things are similar pieces with the Ken Dorsey piece, but just having
• 53:52
  it ranked differently and the perspective you have with it is something Yeah, I
• 53:55
  want to emphasize as well, because you can almost have like when you have
• 54:00
  so many options, I feel like there is a small chance where it can
• 54:04
  be like kind of overwhelming, like, well, yeah, who do I
• 54:07
  get the ball to? Like what do I do here? Like there's so
• 54:10
  many good having so many options, then you kind of have what is it
• 54:15
  the paralysis by analysis type thing where you're trying to do so much incorporate so
• 54:19
  many pieces that you know, you get overwhelmed or to your point, it's
• 54:22
  just not feasible. And then it's like, Okay, who do you lean
• 54:24
  into? And then does he lean into the right people? Because exactly your
• 54:29
  point and what we talked about, there's a lot of fun dynamics, like
• 54:32
  with what Surefield can do with his speed and size and frame and his visibility
• 54:37
  is a power slot to function in the run game, the twelve personnel piece
• 54:39
  with Kincaid like you talked about and we talked about in your show, like
• 54:43
  it would be a new incorporation but all the possibilities there. And then Deante
• 54:46
  Hardy who his speed and electricity, but route running that he adds on top
• 54:51
  of it as well, and then you have the run game and then you
• 54:52
  were even functioning in the offensive line because if Osiris Torrance wins that job,
• 55:00
  Okay, do you lean into more gap scheme stuff like are you gonna stick
• 55:02
  with all that zone running you did with Cook because you know, zone running
• 55:07
  has a little more athleticism and more movement to it. Not that Torrents can't
• 55:10
  do it, but again, this is the dude you want to leanto that
• 55:13
  put people movement capabilities. So are you leaning into more pin and pull and
• 55:15
  counter and power and all these pieces and what are you truly doing? Do
• 55:19
  you get more downhill? Do you pair that with the play action game and
• 55:22
  tie it in and attack vertically? Like there's all these domino pieces that all
• 55:28
  start from the dynamics they have on this offense. And I think it's it's
• 55:31
  a good it's a good problem to have like that, like the old adage
• 55:35
  says, right, like, you've got all these fun options and it's a
• 55:37
  good group. It's a strong group. I really think it is. I
• 55:40
  don't think that's any well, you know, because we cover this team in
• 55:44
  YadA YadA, like they've got variety and it's not just variety for the sake
• 55:49
  of variety or having like yeah, they got a bunch of guys who can
• 55:51
  do different stuff, but it's still what that stuff sucks Like No, it's
• 55:53
  all valuable pieces. And then they have strengths they can lean into what other
• 55:59
  avenues they can all so we used in a lot of fun potential impossibilities.
• 56:02
  And again that's why I think like this year for me, and I think
• 56:07
  for a lot of people more so than last year, is like, Okay,
• 56:10
  man, the cupboard, the cupboard is pretty stocked. You got to
• 56:14
  make a good meal out of this. And if you can't, again understood,
• 56:16
  but then maybe you know you're not meant to cook us this meal and
• 56:22
  you're a little scary. Well, we started this conversation with talking about our
• 56:27
  methodology and how we took a bunch of stuff and got it down to like
• 56:30
  the most important things right, And then Ken Dorsey has to look at this
• 56:32
  very similarly, like you got a lot of stuff to figure out, well,
• 56:36
  what's the most important thing? And I think two things come to mind.
• 56:37
  Number one, any good coach knows this, players not plays right,
• 56:43
  players not plays. And I think that feeds into number two for me,
• 56:45
  which is, Okay, you're playing team X. What is the best way
• 56:52
  to attack Team X? In which of these players has the traite necessary to
• 56:57
  best attack Team X? And you ask yourself those questions and you figure it
• 57:00
  out from there. Yeah, I love it, And that ties into one
• 57:04
  of my favorite things I say on the show all the time. It's rock
• 57:07
  paper scissors, And when you're playing rock paper scissors, the best way to
• 57:10
  win is to be able to throw rock, be able to throw paper,
• 57:14
  and be able to throw scissors. And you can go into one week.
• 57:15
  Oh it's a rock week this week? What does that mean? Who heavy
• 57:19
  Stefon Diggs in Gabe Davis game? Oh? Next week's a paper week?
• 57:22
  What does that mean? You know they're a horrible run defense. We're leaning
• 57:24
  into James Cook and the run game will mix in some play action and attack
• 57:28
  them that way, like whatever whatever you need to be. That's what a
• 57:31
  team's identity ideally is, Like Bruce Lee and you be fluid and like water
• 57:37
  and do whatever you need to. Your identity should be and ideally is whatever
• 57:42
  needs to be done to beat that opponent. It's not where our passing offense
• 57:45
  all we're a run team. Nope, it's a We're going to be whoever
• 57:49
  we need to be in order to beat you that week. Whatever personnel,
• 57:52
  whatever usage rates, whatever run to pass ratio, whatever area of the field
• 57:57
  we're attacking. It is designed to expand upon and attack the weaknesses of our
• 58:02
  opponent and mitigate their strengths at the same time. And what's super fun about
• 58:07
  what the they have You can do that. You have a rock paper scissors
• 58:10
  roster on the offensive side of the ball. You've got those dynamics and those
• 58:14
  skill sets. You just got to plug them in and do exact Oh and
• 58:16
  I like this comment Charles who says feels like an is describing the paths.
• 58:21
  It was in the back of my head and I didn't want to say it.
• 58:22
  That was the hallmark of those Belichick and Brady teams. Like every week,
• 58:27
  especially defensively, but they change who they were and then offensively. That's
• 58:30
  why you never took a Patriots running back in fantasy, because every week Belichick
• 58:34
  would switch who it was because the game plan differed a little bit based on
• 58:37
  what he wanted to do, based on what was asked of that position,
• 58:39
  and it was based on what the defense was that week and how they wanted
• 58:44
  to attack them. And you just because how do you defend that? How
• 58:47
  do you defend an offense, especially when you're watching tape and you have a
• 58:51
  year's worth of film where it's just like, oh, dude, Like they
• 58:53
  just kind of change what they think. There's core principles there, but they
• 58:57
  change what they do every week based on whatever for the team's weaknesses. And
• 59:00
  then it's like, Okay, well what are our weaknesses? Are they going
• 59:02
  to attack our weaknesses? Okay, do we plan for that? Do they
• 59:06
  know we're planning for that? And they know what we think, they know
• 59:08
  that we know. And then all of a sudden, just a lot of
• 59:12
  fun possibilities and I'm excited for it. I'm excited for this conversation. This
• 59:16
  was fun, This is a good time, as I knew it would be.
• 59:20
  You're a very busy man, so I appreciate you taking the time to
• 59:22
  join me and just crushing it like you absolutely did again like I knew you
• 59:25
  would, So thank you for joining me. And flour is yours plug who
• 59:30
  you are, what she got, anything and everything. Just in case people
• 59:32
  don't know, floor is yours. Joe, do with it as you wish.
• 59:36
  As always a great conversation talking football with you, Anthony. Really appreciate
• 59:39
  it. I'm Joe Marino hosted the Lockdown Bills podcast. It's a daily podcast
• 59:45
  on the Buffalo Bills, free and available on all platforms including YouTube, and
• 59:49
  then also have Locked On NFL Scouting, which is a podcast that I co
• 59:52
  host along with Kyle Krabs where we look at the entire NFL through the lens
• 59:58
  of team building and roster could instruction. And so if you're looking for more
• 1:00:01
  of my national perspective outside of the Bills, that's also a daily podcast that's
• 1:00:07
  free and available on all platforms including YouTube. But again the name of that
• 1:00:09
  is Locked On NFL Scouting. That's what I do, two daily podcast.
• 1:00:15
  I appreciate you, Joe. Your content is a one, whether it's Bills
• 1:00:20
  content or the Locked On Scouting piece and the national perspective or anything and everything
• 1:00:24
  comes draft time when it comes to prospect evaluation and fits and rankings and all
• 1:00:29
  of those pieces. Again, I respect the Halladia, I appreciate you taking
• 1:00:32
  the time and joining me, and enjoy the rest of your Tuesday night.
• 1:00:37
  I'm sure I'll see you around on Twitter or the DMS or whatever. And
• 1:00:39
  godspeed and thank you again. Thank you. Tremendous guest. Tremendous guest.
• 1:00:47
  Oh hold on, sorry, I just saw Oh that's a nice comment there,
• 1:00:51
  Troy Troy saying this was fun too, super smart guys. I appreciate
• 1:00:52
  you, Troy, thank you very much. Carl says, I gave my
• 1:00:55
  number one is the super chat earlier, and it all comes down to whether
• 1:00:58
  the players can stay healthy. So sorry, Charles that I missed your super
• 1:01:01
  chat. I'm so sorry, and I just I just part of them now.
• 1:01:05
  I'm so sorry forgive me, forgive me, Carl, that's on me.
• 1:01:07
  Thank you very much for being here, Carl, thank you very much
• 1:01:08
  for the super chat, and thank you for commenting here to bring it back
• 1:01:12
  again. My sincerest apologies. I'm so sorry that I missed this, and
• 1:01:14
  again, thank you very much for being here. In your generosity, Carl,
• 1:01:17
  you said the Bills were the second healthiest team in twenty twenty one and
• 1:01:21
  twenty twenty two. In twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, they were
• 1:01:23
  decimated by injuries. Can they stay healthy this coming year? I actually like
• 1:01:29
  that comment a lot. There's, man, how much do we talk about
• 1:01:34
  these past couple of years about the Bills facilities and the training staff and the
• 1:01:39
  medical team, and how you just don't see injuries happen to this team like
• 1:01:45
  you're not and you would see some right there, like breaks and things that
• 1:01:50
  you can't necessarily control, but you know, soft muscle injuries and soft tissue
• 1:01:54
  injuries, like you really didn't see that, and a lot of it,
• 1:01:57
  a lot of it was the test was a testament to what McDermott and being
• 1:02:00
  believed in terms of workload management and how to how to how to properly practice
• 1:02:07
  guys and train guys, and then what the medical staff was doing and proper
• 1:02:10
  health and diet and routine and all of those things. And last year it
• 1:02:14
  was just I mean, Spencer Brown starts it in the off season. Staffold
• 1:02:17
  was banged up a bit in the off season, and then we go into
• 1:02:21
  you know, Week one at Oliver gets banged up. Week two against Tennessee,
• 1:02:24
  Jordan Phillips hurts the hammy, Micah Hyde hurts his neck and is out
• 1:02:29
  for the year. Dane Jackson gets carted off in an ambulance against Tennessee,
• 1:02:32
  but then is eventually good to go. The next week against Miami, Benford
• 1:02:37
  goes down every you know, Payer gets hurt at a certain point multiple times
• 1:02:42
  with that elbow piece like he got hurt in the off season, then gets
• 1:02:44
  hurt again like and it just carried on. Edmonds gets banged up during games
• 1:02:49
  and Deakwon Jones goes down to the most important point of the year and Treys
• 1:02:52
  coming back from injury, and von Miller is hurt, and honestly, there's
• 1:02:54
  probably a multitude more than I'm not mentioning, but Carl, you're spot on
• 1:02:59
  and think this could be like one of the biggest question marks. Like It's
• 1:03:04
  funny when you really look at it, usually the best teams come the end
• 1:03:07
  of the season are in some way the healthiest, either in total volume,
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  in depth, or because their core guys and their top guys stayed healthy and
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  didn't go down, and the Bills just got banged up and banged up overall,
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  but especially to like their top tier dudes. And I think that could
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  be a potentially big storyline and big question mark for the Bills this year because
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  is that like something that's starting to trend downward for this team? Is their
• 1:03:34
  good injury fortune and luck that they had those first couple of years, like
• 1:03:37
  you mentioned, is that starting to turn a little bit. Are we seeing
• 1:03:39
  some you know, kind of cracks in the armor a little bit of how
• 1:03:44
  healthy they've been And if so, again that's worthysothing that's concerning I think I
• 1:03:47
  think that's a very fair point. Fair point, Carl, and I appreciate
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  you, thank you very much. Oh And Steve echoes a similar thoughts,
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  saying, I truly believe that health would be the biggest question that truly will
• 1:04:00
  control this team's destiny. Sometimes the biggest factors out of your control. Spin
• 1:04:03
  says, I think the health of our O line will be the most important
• 1:04:08
  as far as what group is more important as far as health is concerned,
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  I think it's a fair point. I do like to definitely the offensive line
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  this year, but you can never have too much offensive line depth. And
• 1:04:17
  from a tackle perspective, I am a little concerned, like the swing tackle
• 1:04:24
  for this team is I don't know, is it Shell, is it Questenburry?
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  Either way, no disrespect, it's not great. That's part of the
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  reason why you know, I have those Spencer Brown concerns because if your answer
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  at right tackle isn't Spencer Brown, then who is the answer or what is
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  the answer, Because now you're getting into a world where now you're getting further
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  down the chain in terms of athleticism, You're going further down the chain in
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  terms of physicality and what you can do and what you can accomplish, and
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  then it's again, it just becomes a little more scary, a little more
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  worrisome, which is why it's even more important than Spencer brown hits this year.
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  It's like that, that's a fair point. That's a fair point.
• 1:05:01
  Go to this comment here from Charles again, I wanted to start to bring
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  up I saw a lot of things you folks were bringing up in the chat,
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  and so I had some that were marked or something I saw. Just
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  wanted to scroll back and bring up some pieces. So if you are any
• 1:05:13
  anybody's still rolling here, questions, thoughts, comments, concerns. What are
• 1:05:15
  your biggest Buffalo Bill's question marks for twenty twenty three, feel free to put
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  him into the chat. M Steve says, my number one question is,
• 1:05:25
  well, the fact that McDermott is calling and running the defense takeaway from his
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  ability to coach the game. That's a lot on his plate and I'm sure
• 1:05:30
  it will be scrutinized this year. I think that's a fair point. I
• 1:05:33
  think you gotta wonder that with everybody. Anytime a coach is fully involved on
• 1:05:38
  that side of the ball, whether it's Sean mcvayh usually it's offensive, guys,
• 1:05:41
  But you know McVeigh or Andy Reid, these pieces of you know,
• 1:05:45
  how involved are these coaches yet because you have to be, you have to
• 1:05:48
  be tapped in to what's going on in the overall game. You're still the
• 1:05:51
  head coach. You got to manage it. But then you're also managing a
• 1:05:55
  niche aspect of the game. With that side of the ball can be,
• 1:05:58
  you know, a little worrisome. Charles says mcde calling the D is a
• 1:06:01
  good one. The Bills overall D was good, but the red zone defense
• 1:06:04
  is bad. Way too many TV's allowed. I contemplated putting McDermott into my
• 1:06:13
  top three for this episode, a little peek behind the curtain for you folks,
• 1:06:15
  But I guess I just have more faith in him as a defensive coordinator
• 1:06:20
  because of the sample size, because of what he did in Philly, because
• 1:06:25
  of what he did in Carolina, because of what he's done again in his
• 1:06:28
  limited sample size here with the Bills, when he did some play calling a
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  bit in previous seasons, really like twenty nineteen eighteen. I can't remember the
• 1:06:36
  years. I'm horrible with years and dates. So there was more sample size
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  to it, which is why I didn't put it as a full you know,
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  concerned it didn't crack my top three, but it's up there. Like,
• 1:06:45
  I wonder what does Sean McDermot, the defensive coordinator, look like.
• 1:06:49
  I have high hopes for it based on what he's done previously and based on
• 1:06:53
  how I think his type of coaching and defense. It is a bit different
• 1:06:59
  from Frasiers, different in the way that I think the defense needs to go.
• 1:07:01
  I mentioned it on last week's show. If you haven't checked that out,
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  goo and dive into that here on disguise coverage, But I think it's
• 1:07:08
  fair to have that be one of the questions there. Oh. JDub says,
• 1:07:11
  thanks Hent, you and Joe are my favorite Bills follows. That's awesome.
• 1:07:14
  Yeah, Joe is absolutely tremendous, lockdown Bills, lockdown NFL scouting,
• 1:07:17
  the books he's written, he just does really top to your quality content almost
• 1:07:20
  anywhere and everywhere that he goes. So yeah, Joe is absolutely tremendous.
• 1:07:24
  I was pumped to have him on the show tonight. Lars says, one
• 1:07:28
  question fark, that's not a word. One question mark for me is what
• 1:07:32
  level von Miller will be as he returns from injury, death factors in you
• 1:07:36
  know to my number two point there of you know what the bills front looks
• 1:07:41
  like. You know, this is a guy who despite the fact that he's
• 1:07:45
  in tremendous shape and he he genuinely takes tremendous care of himself, and the
• 1:07:51
  type of player that he is allows him to, you know, have opportunities
• 1:07:56
  at longevity. This is the second time he's torn that ac He is you
• 1:08:00
  know, well into his thirties at this point. I do think that's a
• 1:08:03
  bit of a concern. You know, when von Miller comes back, what
• 1:08:05
  type of von Miller are you getting? Is it the von Miller that showed
• 1:08:11
  up last year? Because that von Miller was tremendous. Is it the von
• 1:08:14
  Miller that came back from his z acl the first time, which was also
• 1:08:16
  tremendous. But again this is you know, the second time. He's a
• 1:08:19
  bit older. And this was a group that again was significantly impacted positively and
• 1:08:25
  negatively by the presence and or absence of von Miller. And I think that's
• 1:08:29
  why the additions of Floyd and Ford, and the potential ascension of Greg Rousseau
• 1:08:33
  and even what epinesa did in Spurts last year, Like, you just have
• 1:08:36
  more bodies that are able to, you know, buttress the loss of von
• 1:08:43
  Miller or the absence of von Miller or any downticks in his performance because of
• 1:08:47
  what you now have on that front overall. And then I think mcdermot's ability
• 1:08:50
  to kind of lean into certain pieces schematically I think could mitigate any you know,
• 1:08:56
  lower level Von Miller effects. But I do think that's a fair question
• 1:09:00
  mark, you know, because a lot of it is just like man like,
• 1:09:02
  once Von comes back, once Von comes back. But I don't know
• 1:09:05
  if we're having that conversation enough that is kind of centered around like, yeah,
• 1:09:09
  but what kind of von Miller is coming back? What does von Miller
• 1:09:13
  look like when he comes through? So it'll be a very interesting piece.
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• 1:13:00
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