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Episode 22: 1990's Music: Variety, Baggy Clothes, and Weird Haircuts · Bearded And Crunchy

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_02: Today, we're doing something dangerous.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_02: Dangerous?
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_02: Is this gonna involve my insurance?
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_02: Nah, bro.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_02: We're going back to the 90s.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh boy.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_02: The decade of flannel, boy bands, grunge, questionable hairstyles.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: And pants so damn baggy you could fit another person in it.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_00: The 90s were a simpler time.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: You mean when you had to wait 10 minutes for a song to download?
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: And then it turned out to be the wrong damn song?
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_02: Let's not forget CDs.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_02: You'd spend$18 on an album for one good song.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: Which you then recorded to a cassette just so you could play it in your car.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: And that cassette had a handwritten label that said mix.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_02: Very sophisticated stuff, people.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: So today we're diving into the music of the 90s.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: From heavy metal to hip-hop, pop to alternative, boy bands to grunge.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_00: A decade where music could make you want to mosh, dance, cry, or desperately reconsider that haircut you had in 97.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_00: So crank up the volume, dust off your disc band.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, don't forget the anti-skip.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: And let's take a trip back to the nineties before we all collectively pretend we didn't wear those clothes.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_02: From good year heights to nineties music lovers everywhere.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to Bearded and Crunchy.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: The motherfucking 90s.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: I had I had to open it with that, man.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: I you know we're excited for this.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_00: Bob has a love for the 60s and 70s.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: I do as well.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then we both really love the 80s, but dude, the 90s, we've we've both talked.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, obviously that was our formative years, but the 90s in every way, shape, or form, culture-wise, movies, uh, just everything.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: But especially, I think the 90s are definitely defined by the music.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: I agree.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: I I I I mean, we grew up mainly remembering the 90s, and there's you know, just so much to cover with the 90s.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: Man, it was so much happened.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: You had so much explosions of different yeah, it's it's it's gonna it's gonna be a fucking fun ride, guys.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_00: So strap yourselves in, you know, keep your hands and feet in the fucking ride at all times, and do not stand up.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: Do not.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: Man, I you know, as excited as I was for this episode, I was also like, God damn, there's so much to fucking cover.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like, and I had my doubts.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_02: We were talking about it last night and today, and it's like, I don't know, man.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and and and and I I share those to a certain extent, but bro, we're gonna do the best we got.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: And right, and what I was thinking about, and this literally just popped in my head, is of course we're gonna talk about what we listen to and people around us listen to.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we haven't put this disclaimer before, but I think this is the decade to start it.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: Is like, guys, we understand that not everything we listen to you guys are gonna like.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and we might for we might forget some things too or not cover exactly.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: And and I want you guys to know that like that's just you know, maybe branch out and listen.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I say this in every episode, but please reach out to us, talk to us, tell us your favorite 90s artists.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, go follow us.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: We're on everything is bearded and crunchy.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we even have a Patreon if you guys want to hop over there, it's free currently.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we have a YouTube.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um like find us, talk to us.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we yeah, we want to we want to know.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I'll I'll even put our email, bearded and crunchy26 at gmail.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, get a hold of us, man.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: If you don't feel like putting it out where people can comment or all that, just send us an email.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we can talk back and forth, and you know, maybe you can tell us things we missed, and you know, or or uh uh a genre or a specific artist or album that you loved.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, it this is ultimately we're trying to build a community here, you know, and and we're just that's what we're doing.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: We're giving you guys what this community will entail.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh all right.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's I I I I'm I'm curious of of I know this question is gonna be fucking good.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't give you nothing, nothing, nothing, zero guys.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like all I got this entire week was I have the opening question.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, that was it.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, and it was in the middle of a bunch of other texts we were sending each other.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I I kind of feel like it was purposely put there so we could gloss over it and I'd be surprised because I'm excited for this one.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_02: So this one is really gonna make you think, bro.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, good.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I think anybody that listens to it, hopefully it'll do the same thing to them.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_02: I hope you will think about this.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's meant to be fun, it's not serious, obviously.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_02: But if you had to spend an entire road trip listening to one 90s artist, who is it and who are you absolutely banning in your car?
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh, so I gotta give who I'm playing one album and then who I'm banning.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_02: Who are you banning?
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: One now, you say one artist or one album for one artist.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: One artist.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, that's gonna be easy for me because it can branch out so many ways, and I'm I'm obviously gonna go with the obvious answer of Wu Tang.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: Because you got their solo albums that I can throw in there, but they're two of obviously their greatest albums came out in the 90s, so I'm going Wu Tang.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the banning one.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: I know, right?
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna piss people out.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good one.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_02: Whoopsie.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_00: From the 90s.
• 6:18
  unknown: Oh my god.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna uh I don't even like I gotta be honest.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even know if I wanna say it.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_02: No, say it.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_02: You got to.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_02: ICP.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: ICP?
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: No ICP in my car.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: No ICP in your car?
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's fair.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, I've said in the past, like, I respect their grind.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: I respect the uh uh the independent of it and how how they built themselves.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not even that I don't think they're talented because that's not it.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: It just outside of the great malinko, it just never really like grabbed me or I can understand.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I will say this there's a part I think I might have mentioned, but a lot of it also has to do with they're from Detroit, Eminem's from Detroit.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they had a beef going for quite a while.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm sure that has a little bit of play on it.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm gonna be honest, just because I wanted to answer the question, I probably wouldn't ban anything.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but for the sake of the question and what came to my head, um, yeah, I would I would probably say.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, nope, nope.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: This is great for the episode.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: Nope, I lied.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: Limp biscuit.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_00: Limp biscuit, no biscuit for you.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: No biscuit.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: I get a lot of shit for that.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: I do not like them.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: I hate Fred Durst.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they had one song in Together Now that I liked, and we all know why that is, because it was a song with Method Man.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um uh Fred Durst was egotistical.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_00: He wasn't that talented, his band was amazing, he was not that good, his lyrics were simple.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I just didn't get it.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I understand the feeling of that decade and the angst that came with that, and I can respect that.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you will not be playing Lint Biscuit in my car.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's fair.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: That is completely on to you.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad I cleared that up.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: ICP free.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: Please come play.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_02: No severed uh heads of anything developed in your home now.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: I know how the juggalos are, man.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: And and and I'm I'm glad you guys are like that.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: Stick up for your and I'm not hating on them.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: I just don't listen to them like that.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Lint Biscuit, I'll go out of my way to avoid.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's fair.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, what about you, Bob?
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: What's what's what's the one artist that you would have to listen to?
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: And then the one artist that like, you're not playing that in my shit.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_02: Not not in my fucking um mine's easy, man.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna go with Metallica.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: I kind of figure that's where you would go because the you know I I can start black album, load, reload, garage ink, uh, even I think even up to SM was I think 99.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that was the year I graduated high school when I came out.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_02: So there's a bunch of good music there to listen to.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: You couldn't go wrong with that.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_02: My favorite band, and I know all the words to all the songs from that time.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think I know most of the ones to the black album.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that was that's obviously the album I listen to the most.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: So I talk about it a little bit later on here.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_02: All right, and I think honestly, who I would ban, and I just I I always hated it.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_02: And she's an absolute train wreck even to this day.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: I just Britney Spears, there would be no Britney Spears in my fucking car, bro.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: I would rather be going 90 and kick open the door and jump out and take my chances.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: We'll we'll there's something if we get to it, I'm gonna bring up with that and somebody else that was her rival around that time.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: But we we can talk about that if we have time.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good choice.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: I I I I would agree with that one.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I I I will full transparency on this guy's.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: I apologize, but there were songs from Backstreet Boys Incinc and 90 degrees that I enjoyed.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you can say what you want about them, but those guys had some bangers.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing wrong.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: Have you ever have you ever seen the videos of like rock bands playing one of those songs at a show?
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: And the crowd is just yeah, and that's because like, dude, talent is talent.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're just giving up.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean, we got one of the greatest RB white guy singers of all time, Justin Timberlake from Instinct.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: And that's not to take away from the rest of those guys.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: All those guys had talent, but um, yeah, I I wouldn't disagree with that.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I I I still feel like I'm gonna get more shit for the Limp Biscuit than you are for the Britney Spears, but right.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: I I for me, unfortunately, I preach separate the art from the artist so many times, but man, I just don't like Fred Durst.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: I am not a big fan.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: I just can't stand that guy.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: I I I just everything about him, you know, fake poser.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I just I'm not a fan.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_02: I I can listen to a few songs by them, but most of it's just trash.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: I understand the appeal.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: I just think in the genre that they were part of helping create, there was much better.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so but see, I think for me though, it not to beat a dead horse here, but the song Break Stuff is is kick-ass.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_02: It is pretty good.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: And and that's the one pass I would give them.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: But again, I go we we've talked about this off-air many a times.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a documentary guy, yeah.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I watched the Woodstock 99.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, he was such a catalyst for that.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: And and how I and and and I don't want to fully blame them because how would you not play that song?
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because that's one of their biggest hits.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: It it was perfect for what Woodstock 99 was.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, 69 was Love and Peace and Get Together, where 99 was about angst and and teenagers just being and it popped off.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: And guys, if you don't get a chance, go watch that.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: It is an amazing documentary uh about Woodstock 99.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: I was actually um very close to going to that with my brother that ended up committing suicide.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_02: Aren't you glad you didn't, bro?
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yes and no, because at the end of the day, there would have been some fucking stories coming out of that.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you watch some of the, you know, looking back, some of those girls were underage, and there was a lot of shit that happened that shouldn't have happened.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: And and and I'm and I'm not for that, but the the stories and and and just the experiences you could have had uh would have been would have been fucking insane.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: But um where I mean I know where we're going first, but I'll let you lead it because I mean, bro, this is your I know I've been doing it every decade's episode so far.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's because it seems to be in the beginning of these decades was when heavy metal and rock and your favorite really was like taking over the decade.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: There, like it's perfect for the genre too, because it's like punch you in the fucking mouth.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: Here we are, right?
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: And then you know it's crazy because I was I it's funny you should mention that because that was the first research I did was on the hard rock, the rock, and yeah, and then we'll get into the little subgenres, but um, you know, I I often think that that it it gets washed under, you know, even more so than hip-hop now because hip-hop's gotten so mainstream, but like heavy metal in that is so in in my opinion, we're the originators of your teenage angst and and and this type of stuff.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and they don't get the love for that that they that that they should.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I felt like the 90s was kind of them going, you know what, you don't notice us now.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: You fucking will.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, sir.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: And and and and I'm thankful for that.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: But let you give a little bit of history of of what 90s did for hard rock and and and heavy metal and and everything and everything intertwined with that because it birthed new babies in the 90s, you know, as well.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_02: I I encompassed this in my synopsis.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: Everything from uh metal to grunge to RD, which we're gonna talk about a little bit in depth a little bit further down on this episode, but so you gotta think the 90s started with plenty of 80 sounds still dominating the radio, right?
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_02: And it wasn't until really 91 when you had the grunge explosion that happened with Nirvana, and you know, then Alternative, after a couple years, Alternative kind of took over, and even Punk made a real return with like Green Day Offspring, you know, bands like that.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_02: Now, in the mid-90s, your baby, hip-hop, really becomes a dominant force in music.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it really starts to explode.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, you had the chronic by Dr.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: Dre in 92, and then Doggy Style in '93.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_02: But then it just exploded in the mid-90s.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_02: We'll get to it as to why.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, yep.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: But you also had around the same time, you had RB that was having just a monster decade with monsters.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: It was having a renaissance.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: And that's awesome.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: That I mean, and I still like a lot of that stuff from back then.
• 14:58
  unknown: So good.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: But then, as we're moving on into the 90s kind of quickly, uh, the late 90s, the rise of teen pop happened, and much like the 80s, MTV was the driving force behind a lot of that because you had TRL and things like that, and then you know, if you had a a shitty music video, it could make or break that song.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: As to whether or not people would want to listen to it.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, real quick to add to that, Scream by Michael Jackson, which came out in the 90s, that was the first music video to cost over a million dollars to make.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so the visuals were becoming as important as the audio in the 90s.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_02: So But if you wanted to know what was going on in music, you watched MTV as a T.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and and and for us, hood rats and hip hop heads, we had we had BET because we had similar like Rap City, and then you also had um 106 in Park, which was was was integral.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: But uh MTV was the hub for what was popular in music at that moment.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: And then you had the oldies that like to watch VH1.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_02: VH1.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: Which we did get, you know, behind the music and and and and and they had like they would have certain time frames during the week where they would play like more newer or newer stuff, but it was it was mainly for the nostalgic 70s and 80s people and stuff.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_02: I think the fun part for for me writing this, and I didn't really think about it because we lived through it.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_02: But kind of getting to the end of the 90s, you know, it was the decade where the C D became king.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta think, we literally moved in 10 years, we moved from vinyl to cassette to CDs, and then 1999 happened.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: The birth Napster.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: Which suddenly we were able to share music digitally over the internet in MP3s.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh I'm not kidding you.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: I was having like the amount of music that I was downloading off of that was insane.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like Don't sue us.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_02: Statue of limitations, baby.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: We're good.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um I still have, and god damn it, I forgot to fucking bring my book.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh uh.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: I had my CD book.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I have I have the mix, and I also have Napster Mixes one, Napster Mixes 2, Napster Hip Hop Hits, Napster, like I have so many of them.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: Me too.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um it it it I I can tell you guys, like you there there is a documentary out there that Eminem, and I believe I can't remember who it was now.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: I want to say Peyton Manning, but I think I'm wrong about that.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: But there was an uh another big name celebrity that did a document on it, and it's called um The Day I forget what it's called.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: Something about the music.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'll I'll put it up on the screen for you uh video.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: But Eminem did it and they were talking about Napster, but what they talked about at the end of it was they said that for all you guys that like streaming, thank Napster.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: They basically invented that.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well they did.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: If you think about it, that's what streaming is.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: Shit released, everybody can go get it.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, MP3s.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: It it it was basically the the tiny nucleus of what became streaming.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you gotta think too, with in the beginning, obviously, it was basically pirating.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's exactly what we were stealing shit, of course.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: It it changed the landscape of the music industry at that time to where they had to figure out how to pivot to where people weren't getting ripped off and not making money.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: And and as a as a 20, as a as a 18 to 24 year old doing that, yeah, it just was a matter of not having the money to buy all the sh music that I wanted.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there was never no will uh ill intent.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't until later in life that I go, damn, like we did probably take a lot of money out of them guys' pockets, you know.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: And and obviously a lot of those artists that fought it, like your Metallica's and MMs that fought that.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: And they got shit on for it too.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, but and and they already had a lot of money, so for them, I don't feel as bad.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it was you know, when we liked our underground artists are less known and we couldn't get their music, for sure, that was how we would find it, and unfortunately they got nothing from that.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, those are the ones that I feel bad about.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_02: But and if you really think about how streaming works now, I mean some of these guys, even big names, they're only paid like a penny.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's a tenth of a penny.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's more, it's it's either a hundredth or a thousandth of a penny per stream.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but that's but but that's where they're still struggling to this day, is they don't know what can what counts as a listen.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: Is it all the way through?
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: Is it halfway through?
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: Is it 30 seconds?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: Is it 10 seconds?
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: And that's kind of where it's like, I don't know, bro.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: If I'm if I'm searching out a song to listen to it, I'm gonna listen to it.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: The first time I'm listening, it has to be a pretty shitty song for me to turn it off before I don't listen to all of it.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what I'm saying.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: But um, yeah, it it it definitely we definitely saw, like you said, the CD changing everything.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: And then as quick as it came, we watched the internet yeah, destroy all physical media eventually.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, up even into the early 2010s, I was still buying CDs, but at that point, streaming services were already on the right on the up and up.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: Apple had started, Spotify was on its way in.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's just so much more convenient to be able to stream it.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: I know fingertips.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: I know boomers.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I like physics I like physical media too.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: But guess what?
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: I can get absolutely everything in my phone right now and listen to it.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm sorry, the convenience is worth it for me.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's what it is now with like the world today.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's the I have to have it now, yeah.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: So you can have it all now.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: So and and I think even careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: But I think even in somebody like my dad's case, who is a baby boomer, you know, he's got a couple of things where he can just uh you know tell it what song he wants to hear, and he's like, boom.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he doesn't have to go back to the stereo, turn it on, drop the needle on the vinyl, or flip the cassette over or nothing.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: He just can listen to it digitally and he's like, this is kind of cool.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, yeah, and you can get everything.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, everything everything you want.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: Anything you can think of from back then, you can listen to.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: Something you may not have listened to in 45 years.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, so what are we moving?
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean we I misstepped before you gave us your little um synapsis.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: I misstepped a little bit.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: What did you misstep upon?
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I I went into rock and hard rock and but I I forgot about your your your beautiful synopsis.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I think that's the way to go because you know the early nineties with with with rock was what it really kicked the fucking uh decade off the decade off.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean that's really where you know because you know granted we talk about grunge in the 90s, it was born in the 80s technically, technically, but I mean underground in the early I mean we're getting a little out of sorts, but you know, I didn't realize this.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: Soundgarden formed in 1986.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: Soundgarden had no fucking clue that they were like literally earlier pioneers.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: That that that blew my mind.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: And another thing that I don't know why I had this, and I want you to help me with this.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I had this conversation with Rihanna last night.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: Every place that I did a little research, you know, and and I didn't do it because I didn't know.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: I just I forget a lot, some things drum up memories.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: But I always thought Alice and Chains was a little bit different than grunge.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Something about them sounded just a little bit different than your Pearl Jams, your sound guards, and your nirvanas.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: But everywhere I looked, they were considered part of the big four.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: I always see that, and I'm like, I mean, and and I get it, but maybe it was Lane Staley's voice or something about him, but it just it had that grunge feel, but it almost felt like its own thing.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I'm tripping.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't know.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: No, there's a lot of people, like I would consider them obviously grunge, but they're also they're hard rock too, because they had a hard out of all of what we would consider the big four of grunge, they were the heaviest of you know right.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I kind of but but and and that's what's crazy about Alan Chains, because they still had sure it it ebbed and flowed.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like I don't know.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: I I guess the more I thought about it, it made more sense because then I thought, okay, well, if they're not grunge, which they are, but I'm saying in my mind, if they weren't, where the fuck else would they fit?
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean it it it makes sense, but we definitely gotta dive into um the the hard rock and heavy metal because one of, if not considered the greatest hard rock albums or heavy metal albums of all time came out in '91.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: Stealin' my thunder.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: Jeez.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna go a little bit different route here to start this.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: In the early 90s, basically 1990, like I said, you you still had a lot of the same sounds of the 80s, but you did have a lot of those bands that were carrying over from the late 80s, like Bon Jovi and Motley Crue, still some Sabbath, some Dio, you know, things like that, and it was kind of the it was starting to get a little stale, I guess, basically.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, then 1991 happened and the explosion you know, it again it birthed grunge.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_02: Nirvana Nevermind came out, which was a killer album.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it it did everything that nobody thought it would do.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: It did.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_02: But you alluded to this.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: August 12th, 1991, one of the biggest heavy metal albums ever recorded came out in Metallica the Black album.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know if you have it written down about what it's sold so far in its life.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't write that down.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: We're talking over thirty million copies worldwide for this album.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_02: For a heavy metal album.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: That's insane.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: For a heavy metal slash hard rock album.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's gotta be the the best-selling metal album of all time.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: It would have to be.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: It is.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: And and what's really interesting to me, and and and we talked about this a little bit during the week through text and things, but in a span of, let's see, August, September, and early October of that year, you had the black album, you had Nevermind, you had Ten by Pearl Jam, Bad Motorfinger by Soundgarden Bro, Blood Sugar Sex Magic by the Chili Peppers, and also you had Use Your Illusion one and two by Guns N' Roses, and this was in two and a half fucking months.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: The the 90s, and we'll get into the other genres, but the 90s had a fucking way of doing that shit every fucking year.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: There was just a span where it's like, how the fuck did we listen to all this shit?
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know because it there was so much, and and oh, we had so much.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the more I thought about it, and and and and this is no disrespect to new music and no disrespect to the 60s, 70s, and 80s.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: But you know what I think would be if I if you could take one word to define the music?
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: Variety.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: I I think that's the best way.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: There was just no you had multiple rock bands, heavy metal bands, grunge bands, RB, whatever.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: None of it sounded the same.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: You could tell what music it was, but it just didn't, and uh I actually have a fun question for you.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I know.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_02: You get a second question on this episode.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: Between the black album, 10 by Pearl Jam, and Nevermind, which one would you keep?
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_02: And which ones would you just let go?
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_02: Out of those three albums, which one would you keep and which ones would you let go?
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I have to pick.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't look you in the face and be like, I'm keeping all of them for funny.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: I know, right?
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't know if I can answer that.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: I know, right?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_02: I I thought about it and I'm like, dude, that might be a stumping question.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I have an answer because I'm biased, but I mean I I guys I I'm gonna piss somebody off no matter which way I go.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: But as much as I love Nirvana and as much as I love Metallica, uh 10 did something to me.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um that's a good album, brother.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: I um and what's even funnier, because that's not my favorite album by them.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: No, and it's also not Vitalogy and it's not Rearview Mirror.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um why did you do this?
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a dick.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a dick.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, you know what?
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: Because of what I just said, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep Nevermind in Black and I'm gonna get rid of 10.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's not my favorite album.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: Now that I said that, I'm like, you know what?
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: I could probably live without that, but I couldn't live out.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: Versus is my favorite.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: It had daughter, it had there's so many for me.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's my favorite Pearl Jam album.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I think I'm gonna I'm gonna get rid of 10.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: You I if anybody says never mind, the only first thing that would come to my mind is you just didn't like Nirvana.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because the impact that that album had.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: I love 10, um, but the impact of the black album and never mind, I I don't think you can get rid of those.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: You can't.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: I I agree with you.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think 10 would probably, now that I think about it, would have to be the one that you would have to toss.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think I would have seen that.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: I know, right?
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: It is a good album, but luckily it's hypothetical.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: Man, that's a good fucking question.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: I was I didn't know if I was gonna be able to, I had to talk myself through it to get a valid answer.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: I would personally just keep the black album for myself.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: I I I like Nevermind, but I I kind of figured that would be the way you go.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: It would be a little bit more difficult for me because all three of them have they do a very specific place for me.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: And they're all different sounds.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm gonna tell you a quick story that a lot not a lot of people know about me.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um so you want to know how I got into listening to all that grind?
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh one day in in middle school walking home from from Goodyear, uh, I got and finally gotten tired of getting jumped every day from walking home.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I went through a moment where I was like, I don't want to listen to rap anymore.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: I quit listening to rap.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: And you gravitated to grunge?
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: Bruh, like a fiend.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I could see that obviously.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: And and now you you may know a little bit more why it's my favorite album, and then um Scarface the Diary dropped and Yeah, brought you right back.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: Hip hop was back.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I I had gotten jumped and called a a wannabe and uh all this.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: Back in the day.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I took it to heart and I was like, you know what?
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: Fuck it then.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't need to listen.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I had a little eight-month spurt where all I listened to was that.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: I listened.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know a group I'm gonna bring up that we've yet to talk about that's gonna blow your mind that I really like?
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: The Violent Femmes.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: The Violet F Yeah, okay.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_02: I was that more alternative.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't know what the fuck that was.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh oh, I can hear the lyrics to the one song in my head now.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, but uh but I I delved into that.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: I listened to um Oh, why can't I think of her name?
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: Atlanta's more said?
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, well, I I actually I love Jagged Little uh Pill.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um no, I can't think of her name.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: She was more underground.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, um but man, that was a good fucking question.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um but you know it we might as well get into it and and keep going.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: But it wasn't just grunge that was birthed um out of rock in the 90s, man.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_02: No, you but I I I didn't want to gloss over this with with grunge.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: I know we talked about the big four, but you had other bands, Mud Honey, Screaming Trees, Stone Temple Pilots, Stone Temple Pilots, Temple of the Dog, even though they were considered a super group, basically.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I believe this was an Eddie Vetter project before Pearl Jam, Mother Lovebone.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: I remember them, yeah.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's right.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: You had you definitely, you know, there are a lot that get overlooked, and you had so many others that you didn't know where they fit, like Soul Asylum and um uh um no, there was one that Rihannan brought up, and I was like, fuck, people don't talk about that.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: And now I'm I'm now I'm drawing a blank.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: Old age.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_02: But see, then you people thought grunge killed metal, but metal didn't really die, metal fragmented.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_02: And then you got really the birth of thrash, what they considered thrash, you got death metal, you got industrial metal, think nine-inch nails and things like that, ministry.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, you had alternative metal, and kind of really starting 93, 94, 95-ish, you had the birth of new metal with corn, biscuits, yeah, yeah.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: And that was new metal, was when I started getting back into it.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I fucks with this.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like corn really set me off.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then you know, towards the end of the 90s was when Lincoln Park for sure.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I was a huge hybrid theory, bro, was huge.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then a lot of people don't know before Meteora they released reanimation.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, reanimation, yeah.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: Which was uh a remix of hybrid theory hip hop bound.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: And god, we loved I'm not kidding you.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: I think me, Main, and Vonnie each bought two or three copies of that shit because we'd let one of them borrow it, they'd lose it, and then we're like, ah, I can't be without that album.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think one of the fun things that really spun off too around that time was was alt rock or alternative rock.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: And and think smashing pumpkins, think weezer, radiohead.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we can lump Green Day and Offspring into there, but they were considered like the rebirth of punk.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they were I what what I like to call that is 90s punk, yeah, because it just had its own sound to it.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it did.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: I I I was thinking about this last night.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: Where would we put tool?
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: Because they're still really technically progressive, rock.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yes and no, they would be they would be considered alternative metal.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_02: See, that's what I was thinking.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: Alternative metal, yeah.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, in even Rihanna, and I love that she says this being a tool fan, she goes, they're very Pink Floyd-esque, yeah, in how they construct their albums and their songs.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, I mean, dude, there was so much, and there's so much stuff that we're we're like we didn't.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: You had bands like um Black Number One, who sang that?
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: Help me.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: Type O Negative.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you had bands like typo negative, and there was so much, and that's what I'm saying.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: The underground was a little more accessible now, too.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was a little bit easier to find those types of bands and artists that you like that weren't on a level of a Nirvana, uh, a slipknot, a nine-inch nails, a corn.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: And and I know all those guys didn't start right that big, but but you know, you still had artists that kind of were under like a the misfits, or yeah.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there was just so much.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: It was again variety.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: Variety there was so much.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: They always say variety is the space of life, so there you go.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it's also the confusion part of life.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, what the fuck do I want?
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: I yeah, I can tell you one thing though.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_02: I I I I didn't talk about this band yet, and they would be considered in the alt-rock genre, but dude Bush.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: I love Bush when 16 Stone Yeah, man, such a good band.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they had a bunch of a string of hits, and that's that's why I brought up Soul Asylum because they get left.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I really, really, really enjoyed their music.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, they were a little different, I don't know what they were.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe a mix between like a a um a grunge and like uh an alternative, I guess.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I really enjoyed them.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, and and I was between plush core uh dude Stone Temple Pirate.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, STP is oh man.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: And people forget like um Scott Whalen uh was the lead singer on Slash's band.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um what was that called?
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: Was it Slash's snake pit or um or no uh Velvet Revolver?
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: Velvet Revolver, yeah.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: He was the lead singer in Velvet Revolver.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's a deep cut, bro.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm no music, motherfuckers.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a deep cut.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_02: I had to think on that one because I had the I had the one album or two albums, whatever.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: So the first album is shit.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: It was basically Guns and Roses, but just got island.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um we don't want to talk about Guns and Roses with just Axl Rose because Rihanna goes down in history as saying that Chinese Democracy is one of the worst albums to ever be created.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: Fucking horrible, bro.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: But we were so excited when it came out because we're like, eh, guns and roses, and then it's like, yeah, what is this track?
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: It was Axl Rose and a bunch of motherfuckers.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like that's really what it was.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um trying to remember who was playing guitar for him, DJ Ashpa, I think.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't know.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_02: Not to take anything away from the guy, good guitar, not slash, not slash, and you will never be um it doesn't matter who drums for the band, as long as you got Duff and Slash.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, yeah, that's that's GRACB.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's what made Velvet so good.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: It was those two guys plus Scott Wilder.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: Scott Wyland.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, he did a '50s, like like wailing Frank Sinatra type album, and that fuck it was right before he died, too.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's a shame, man.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, drugs.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: He got sober for a while, too.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: For a long time.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: And that's that shit.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's what they tell you.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's one of the things they tell you in rehab.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's like yes, you can relapse, but the problem is, is once you get off of it, you go right back to thinking you can take as much as you did before, and you can't have that build-up, your body's not built up to that, and it it ends you.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: But too many of our heroes died from that shit, man.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: That shit was but when you really think about it as adults now, when you go back and listen to the lyrics, you can hear it.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: You can hear what they were talking about and thing, and it's like, dude, these guys are screaming for help.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, they were all like look at Chester Bennington and Chris Cornell.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_02: You know, within a couple, what, a month of each other, two months of each other?
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I still I just literally got goosebumps because I was at the one last concert where they both were damn, anyways.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um what do you want to go to next?
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh what do you think?
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, pop music?
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we can hit that.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, with um man, there's so much we could go to.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like we okay, I I I want to start this off so we don't forget.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: We have to talk about the female explosion of the 90s because we had some really, really big voices come out from females.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: We had Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I understand Whitney Houston was in the 80s, but her biggest hits came in the 90s.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_02: Early 90s, yeah.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: And even Celine Dion.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then you had girl groups like Spice Girls.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_00: Spice Girls, and you had your TLC and SWV and Mary J.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: Blige, and we had a very, very huge, and and even in the other genres, we could go Lilith Fair, Cheryl Crow, Meredith Brooks.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, there's so many we could go into, but when it comes to the we really had these like big voices from women come out in the 90s.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I and I definitely wanted to bring that up.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um even down to Brittany Spears and Christina Aguilera.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I and I'm glad you brought that up because I had this conversation we were in last night.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: You can't put Christina Aguilera in that because she actually has pipes, dog.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: If you ever listen to her actual shit, not the shit they made her make, yeah.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: She can sing.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_00: And and that's the difference.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: And not taken away from Britney, she was talented, but you ain't have pipes.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: No, you could sing, and there's a difference.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: Me and Jermaine used to say this when we were younger.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: You can sing, or you can sing.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: And Christina can sing.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: She can.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I I I I I I wanted to make it a point.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_00: I kind of think we should leave her off of the she had the poppy hits, but I I don't know if I would categorize her as the Britney Spears, the Jessica Simpson.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, we we can we can make her adjacent, yeah, but to to to keep her in there, you know.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: Fair.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's fair.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: She just, I don't know, she had too many songs, deep cuts, and then later on in her career that really showed her vocal range as opposed to shit like Genie in a bottle and what a girl wants.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's like no literally 90s pop.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, granted, you know, I was I was a teenager and a and and a guy, so for me, I was like, at least it's something to look at.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know, I I definitely wanted, but again, getting into to to the the overall of that.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_00: Then we had the you know, like you you had alluded to earlier, the the the new age boy bands with your 98 degrees, your backstreet, backstreet, in sync.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um there there was a few others um that weren't like they had like a hit or two, but those were the three main ones.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: But even New Edition had gotten back together in the 90s and released a new album.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: New kids on the Block has still released an album.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_00: So so it was almost like a second resurgence of that.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but what you know, coming from a hip-hop guy and a heavy metal guy, I know they want to hear your opinion as much as mine about that genre because I think most people would think we would just ignore it and not, but not only can you not, we both recognize that they had good songs.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: They did, they did.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_02: I I stayed away from the Britney Spears and the Spice Girl.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: My sister loves Spice Girl stuff, so I heard it.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: That was kind of trash.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um it was what we what it used to be called bubblegum poppy.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_02: And what you said with with Christina you had the poppy bullshit hits that she had, obviously, that she was probably contracted to record.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: And yes, she could sang.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_02: And then you know, for the boy band stuff, man, it it I I would be remiss to you know, Backstreet Boys InSync.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_02: Wasn't big on hearing any 98 degrees, but they they were they were the Walmart version of it.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, they they Teamu, yeah, yeah, they they didn't uh uh grab, but I will say this really, I think what that forms down to is when you look at InSync and Backstreet Boys, each one of those guys had a talent.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: You just had Nick Lachey in 98 degrees.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_02: But see, for me being a a a a metal guy back then in the late nineties, early two thousands in hindsight now, you know, I I can handle some of this stuff.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_02: I have to recognize that there was talent, they could put more than five words together and make a song.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_02: At the time, I was Like this stuff is garbage.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to hear this shit.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: Because it was oversaturated on MTV.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's all you would see and hear.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and it wasn't cool for guys our age to listen to that shit.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: It just wasn't.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we're lucky that with the internet and the bullshit, social media, bullying and stuff, we also have been able to um carve out lanes for people to be okay and comfortable with liking that.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't like that.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: If you if if if I came to my boys that were listening to Wu-Tank, DMX, The Locks, and the type of hip hop, Tupac Biggie.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: And then I was like, yo, you listen to Bye Bye Bye.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_02: They'd have killed you.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: Bye.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: Bye.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_00: They were kicking your ass and then kicking you out the free group.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: You were done.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but again, the talent was there, the hits were there.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, what you can't deny that.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's exact the exact words I was gonna say.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: You couldn't deny the impact.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but we would be remiss to not now lead that into in into 90s RB, man.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I could sit here and list a hundred artists.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_00: You had Joe to see Boys the Men offer one, Joe, Drew Hill, 112, genuine um TLC, uh, TLC, Mary J.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: Bledge, Aliyah, SWV, Total.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I could keep going.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_00: There was such a boom, shy, silk, eight's Town, Brandy, Brandy, Joe, um uh so much.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: I I mean the the list goes on and on.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: As much as you hate to say it, R.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: Kelly.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: Again, we have to separate the artist from the artist because R.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: Kelly was a musical genius.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: Prison sentence aside.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, dude, you go back like TP2, 12 play two.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, a hit factory on that album, but right.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: We would have to mention that because that formed like a big thing about our decade, guys, was middle school and high school dances.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and there was nothing better than 90s RB for that.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_00: You had Shy with uh Come With Me and If I Ever Fall in Love, which you had talked about in a in a past um uh uh episode um about a song that you had liked um by them, and that's one of the ones that like it had that that middle school dance feel to it.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_00: Mitch sneak a first kissing on the gym phone, and you know, at as 1314, like where can I put my hands where she's gonna let you know?
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: Guys, we were it we we weren't creepy like we were now.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't just come out and grab you and talk you.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: We tried to see what we could get away with, which you would love.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_00: And tell me this, bro, and all my guys out there, this is for you.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: What about when you had your hands like like like right at the rib cage?
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and they moved them down, and you were like, Oh shit, dude.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_00: That was the at that point though, you were so stuck, you're like, okay, now what the fuck?
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: What do I do now?
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_00: But dude, those were the times, or or you would get in that slow dance, and then she put her head in your shirt, and you're like, Yeah, dude.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_00: Especially high school.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh God to be young again, right?
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but we also had, you know, it was also the era where and this will take us into our our our our next our last RB and hip-hop started to really make a lot of of collaborative of of efforts.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, you you you had a lot of Mariah, Mariah Carey was big in into doing that.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_00: She was making a lot of songs with with Diddy and she made um, if you remember, fantasy with ODB, where in the video the roller coaster and all that kind of stuff.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: I remember the video.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for jogging my memory.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um Mariah Carey was Yeah.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, anyways, big crush for uh Mr.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_00: Eric over here.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a long time.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know uh 90s RB is is such a uh a staple in my life.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, I make fun of myself now, but I had a CD that that Jermaine and Vonnie and them made fun of me of.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I had it specifically for the first time I was alone with uh with a girl, and it was a mixed CD, and it was called baby making music.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_02: Baby making music.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_02: I think we all called it.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: So we so we we know well that's what we called it, but I actually had a specific CD that had like pony.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say, was Pony on it?
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_00: Freak Me by Silk.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh, okay.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_00: I could keep it.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: All right, all right, yeah.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_00: I had I had I had some hits.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: You you know, uh Peaches and Cream from one twit.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_00: I God don't get me started, man.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_00: I know my 90s RB, but I I I have to say it, I've said it before, and I want to know there is the greatest 90s RB group of all time.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_00: To me, I know there's Joe Disney's, there's Drew Hills, there's Boys Demand, is and always will be jagged edge for me.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_00: They can do no wrong, uh, they will never do wrong.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: But that being said, we now get to delve into my golden era of the 90s, and we cannot deny the explosion that hip hop had in the 90s.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_00: People like MC Hammer and and and Vanilla Ice really, as much as we hate them, really took it to that commercial level.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_00: They did, they did, but it opened the door for gangster rap to come out with your ice tees, your your your ice cubes, Dre, Snoop, um, and then even the more lesser known your E40s, your yeah, your two shorts, you know, uh a lot of a lot of that kind of stuff.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but the 90s just so many debuts of so many.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_00: I want to give you I I want to tell you this.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_00: That these are uh first I'm gonna name you debuts in the 90s, okay?
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: These are freshman albums, and then in just some of the other albums of the 90s, right?
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_00: You ready?
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_00: Nasilmatic, which is considered by very many the greatest hip-hop album of all time.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_00: In my research, it said that exactly.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_00: Debut, that's his debut album.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: What was that '94?
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_00: Notorious big, ready to die, debut, outcast, southern playlistic Cadillac Music, debut.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Common, which a lot of people don't know.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, Resurrection, uh, Bone Thugs and Harmony's first album, Creeping on a Coma.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_02: Creeping on a Coma.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then I'm gonna go into you.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_00: Also, had Scarface the Diary, which is my favorite album.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_00: You had Gangstar with Hard to Earn, which is one of theirs, Method Man's first solo album come out.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_00: You have Beastie Boy's Ill Communication with Sabotage.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: Now I'm gonna fuck you up.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: That was the 90s, right?
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_00: That was just '94.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's nice.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's just 1994.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_02: That sounds like 91 for metal.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it gets even crazier as you go on.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I did that on purpose because I wanted the people to hear those albums and then realize that was just 1994.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, obviously, we all know hip-hop changed my life.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_00: It is a it is part of my personality.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: And in the 90s, really, you had so many different styles, and and it's it's considered, and and I talked about this in the 80s, how Rock Kim was the birth, the the godfather and father of lyricism.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_00: And the 90s said, Bet, hold my beer.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_00: And they jumped into it because then we had artists that that a lot of you guys might not know.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_00: One of my favorite artists of all time, Big L, he came out in the 90s.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_00: He was considered to be every major lyricist in hip-hop, including people like Eminem, um, go back to um him, um, Big L.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he was so I'll give you an idea.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody knows Biggie was a big storyteller, right?
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_00: And really good at it.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_00: Big L blows him out the water.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: His fair enough.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: His attention to detail can put you into the scene so easily.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but we can't talk about this.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_00: I cannot stress this enough.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_00: We have to get this.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of things we can get to in the 90s, but there's an elephant in the room that we both have on our lists that changed music media, bro.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, much less hip-hop and music, and that's the East Coast versus West Coast beef.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_00: Guys, this took over music.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_00: You didn't have to listen to a lick of hip-hop.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, and you would go, you can't talk about 90s music without the East Coast beef.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_00: Now, looking back on it, we all now know that this was strictly a media born thing to get people to buy magazines.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because back then in hip-hop, we had the source, we had the vibe, and we had um towards the end and in the 2000s double XO.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_00: And what we had was, and I'll give a quick synopsis and and Bob, you with details, you think I forget or something, you want to add to it.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_00: But really, kind of what happened was is Tupac was born technically in like when raised in Baltimore, and then he lived in New York and then moved to LA, and that's where he found his home.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_00: He would come back to New York to record, and of course, we all know he had gotten shot five times, and all kinds of stuff happened, and he was being fed information that it was it was Puff, it was them, it was Biggie, and then there was that beef between them two.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, but then the media got a hold of it.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_00: Right, and now you have songs, now everybody's thinking there's this beef, and a lot of people don't know this.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember the dog pound?
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, they had a song called Um New York, New York, New York, New York, Big City and Dreams, and everything in New York they always and in the video they're kicking over buildings.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_00: People thought that this was their kickback because to New York, because you know, New York was cocky for a long time in hip hop.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like they were like, we started it, this is ours.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and something I wanted to touch on that I wrote in my notes that that I wanted to bring up because of that, the 90s brought regional regions to hip hop.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, you now had Midwest, you had Bone, you had Twista, you had um, I'm trying to think of some other ones from the 90s.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's it was more so East West, and then the South was coming because 94, you remember we had Outcast, yeah, and at the Source Awards in 95, when Andre 3000 won their award, he came up and he said, I just want to let you guys know that the South got something to say.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because then you had uh No Limit birth.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_02: I don't remember what '96.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_02: I think that was '95.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, 95, I don't remember.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_00: 96 was when they blew.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: But you got albums like Ice Cream Man and stuff like that that came out a little bit before that.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_00: But yes, yes, it was that.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then towards the end, cash money.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_00: Many money records, yeah.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, in the South was really making uh uh a name for themselves, and we started to see that branch out.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, I mean, even though I'm I'm the hip-hop guy, you know, I I want you to to put your, you know, because you know, and and and maybe this is a detriment to me, but I think your knowledge of of hip-hop, which is my favorite, is a little bit deeper than my knowledge of heavy metal is, though that's your favorite.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I definitely want your opinion on on the things that you remember and the things that were impactful to you from 90s hip hop because you're a big Tupac fan.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: And unfortunately, we lost him and big too early in the 90s.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_02: Both of them too early, and uh, and I like Biggie too just as much.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, I I just remember from living through I was see that happened in what ninety east coast, west coast was really.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_00: It was nine ninety-five, ninety-six, ninety-seven.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_02: It was about that two-year over those three numerical years, but that two-year span was when it so I was a a young teenager at that point watching MTV, and I do remember, you know, it was always death row versus bad boy.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_02: And and that's what they drove, and I I remember the diss tracks and and just you know, one would fire off one, the other one would fire right back.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, well, and and that and and that's what's crazy, is because Tupac called people out.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_00: He did.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, hit Hit Em Up is considered one of, if not the best and most degrading diss tracks of all time.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_00: But what people forget is Biggie never came out in public and said he hated Pac or none of that.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_00: Now, he kind of took the high road in a way.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_00: As a hip hop fan, I know what happened behind the scenes.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there were songs that he made that were subliminally, I'll give you a perfect example.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_00: One of his biggest songs wasn't on an album, it was released as a single, kind of.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_00: It was called Who Shot You?
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_00: I remember that one.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_00: And although they claimed that it was never about that, there was a lot of stuff in it that's said otherwise.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's kind of like doing this back and forth.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's one of those, it's like if you know, you know.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_00: The people that it's about will know, but the people that it's not about won't know.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and and and a fun fact, you know who else he dissed while he was dissing him?
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_00: Wu Tang.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that's a thought of people don't know.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_00: If you go and listen to Kick in the Door off of Life After Death, he has a line where he says, I'm here to shut up all big willies and all this.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, when when Rayquan and Ghost Ghostface were releasing their solo moms, they were on that big Willie style stuff.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_00: So that was a shot at them.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know, we we would be remiss to not talk about the the explosion, and and you mentioned it with your synopsis and all that.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_00: This was when hip-hop went worldwide.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it exploded.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that got us whoever.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it it was it was like a nuclear fucking bomb went off.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um and it was amazing.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_00: And and and I want to get into it too, because it also birthed the the the the the the combination of of of rap rock.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there was a little bit of it in the 80s, yeah, but not like the 90s.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_00: You had corn yeah doing um word up, you had um uh um well they also did that song with ice tea off of ice cube off of Follow the Leader.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly, and that's what I'm saying.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then you had Ice Cube was branching out and doing songs with with heavy metal, you had Ice T and Body Count.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, or it was Biohazard, that's who Ice Cube was.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_00: They were working with uh them because um uh and and and I feel like it really blew up when Lincoln Park gets.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, um they really oh Mike Sonoda.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah and and that's what I I I always tell people like there were two voices in Lincoln Park distinct, distinct voices, distinct, and I think that's what made them so unique with doing it the way they did it was they had elements from everything, and they were able to melt it, and they even had a DJ that mixed and shit with them, like it was so different, still the same guy after all these years.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_02: DJ Han.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just I I I look back on it, and we've talked about it before at length, and where it's like it's in hindsight that you kind of pass over Lincoln Park.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of people do, and they a lot of people shit on Lincoln Park, and I don't understand why because they made good music for me.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_00: Not the first, but the biggest in anything is gonna get shit on.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and they became the biggest in that genre.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they just were.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we have uh a lot more now that that integrate it and more bands that kind of do that kind of thing.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_02: But they were the the real first to really have a permanent member situation, exactly.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_02: And had a rapper, and exactly you know, Chester was so dynamic with what he could do with his voice, he could sing, he could scream.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, all you have to do is listen to this the 30-second scream on giving up.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_00: Listen to Givin' Up and then go listen to Leave Out All the Rest back to back, and you will see.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_02: You're like, what the hell?
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_00: And those are on the same album, by the way, guys, so you don't even have to go far.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_02: The dynamics are and that's minutes to midnight.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, since we're 90s, I mean we can talk hybrid theory.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_02: That I mean, that spawned a ton of good hits, crawling.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_00: The entire album.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that is an album I will put on and just push.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing uh in the end, the cut uh final cut or um, yeah.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_02: Now it's that we're talking about it.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_02: Now it's kind of it's all the songs are escaping me.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but anyways, um just a phenomenal album.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and and and they continued to do so.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they did reanimation, which was a remix album that had a lot more.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_00: And what people don't know is they did a lot of underground hip-hop artists.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_00: They had Planet Asia and and Feral Munch, which 99% of you people are gonna be like, who?
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_02: But I know that's because of Mike, though, which is well, he's a hip hop artist, and that's one thing I wanted to bring up.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_00: Fort Minor.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_02: You well, see I I'm gonna test your knowledge.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know who else is in that with him?
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_02: I do not remember.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_00: There was an underground group that was really, really big, like hip-hop molded white guys out of California called Styles of Beyond.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_00: And it was him and them that started Fort Minor.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I also want to get into what a lot of people don't know is um lead singer for corn.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_00: Why can't I not think about it?
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_00: Jonathan Davis.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: Jonathan Davis is a huge hip-hop fan, he is hip hop, he loves hip hop and electronics.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I love that about him.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and he's not afraid to say it.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I I you know, uh since we're we're still in 90s and we don't have to go, you know one of the reasons why I tend to end up liking certain artists is because of people that are in that.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the reasons, as much as I like Korn's music, somebody's gotta go to the bathroom.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_02: I gotta take a pill.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_00: Let's uh pause.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_00: All right, guys.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry about that.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_00: Mission accomplished?
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_00: Mission accomplished.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_00: All right, we're good.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_02: So really we're uh mission accomplished.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's the first time that's happened in a while.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I had it open to try to turn it off and I still forgot.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but we were just winding down and just talking about the the the hip-hop and rock infusion, yeah, and how you know, really ultimately, if we think about it, that can be a precursor to the genesis of our friendship because of how you're a big metal rock guy, I'm a big hip-hop guy.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_00: For sure.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_00: And it it it's almost a metaphor to the the the the marriage of our friendship and the marriage of those two genres because I mean that's what we talk about the most.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_00: So um I agree.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_02: And and I guess we have to kind of talk a little bit about the Beastie Boys because they kind of Yeah, they were they were winding down, right?
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_00: But but but they hit commercially with uh ill communication because you had sabotage and um of course again the other songs are dropping me off, but we're owed.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but but you know, uh again, uh real quick, I'll talk about it.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_00: There was a lot of talk about 10 years ago about white artists being guests in hip-hop, and and I'm gonna admit something here that I never I had a big problem with that um for a long time.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_00: It bothered me so much because I had spent so much money, I rapped, I loved hip-hop, I was not a culture vulture, which which they which a lot of white artists have been.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_00: Kid Rock was a perfect example of that.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_00: He came out rapping and shit, now he's yeah, whatever.
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um but um that bothered me for a long time, and I'm like, and then it and it hit me, you know what?
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, black music has gotten taken over by a lot of of of artists over the years, and this was something they really could call their own.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I hate to say this, but you know what did it for me?
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_02: What's that?
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_00: So after the MGK MM beef, which I someday I would love to get into that, maybe in the 2010s weekend.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe um he did an interview with Sway where it got brought up and he goes, There's a lot of talk about you know white artists such as yourself being a guest, and and he goes, Of course I am.
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_00: This is black culture.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, now that I build my own house in it?
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_00: But yes, I'm a guest.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_00: And that that changed my perspective and I changed, and and I get it now.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's black culture, and I need to take it as it I have to take away the thought that like.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm I'm I'm what's the word I'm thinking of?
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm expected to have a spot here when it's more so I should just be welcomed here.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_00: But I just wanted to get to that because the Beastie Boys were one of the big ones.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like we didn't get to get into them too much in the 80s, but they really changed the landscape.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean they were the first white rappers.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_00: They did, yeah.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and they were good, yeah.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_02: And then they then they mixed in heavy guitars in the 90s.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_00: And they loved it, yeah.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they were technically even doing that with fight to your right to party.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but and even kind of Paul Revere to it.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_00: But that's we're we're deep diving.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_00: We're deep, deep diving.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, I mean, I I think we I mean, I think we hit the points we needed to hit.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm happy.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the 90s were heavy, there was a lot.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, it's our longest decade episode so far.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_00: Well, again, it was because of of of like you said, like we had MTV in the 80s, but it blew in the 90s.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_00: We had the the the genre branches out and everything.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, fuck, we didn't even get to country.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_00: I know, and there was a lot, and there was a lot, guys.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_00: Country blew up in the 90s, like it really got mainstream too.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_00: Big um, uh, and some country fans consider it the fall of country, but I disagree.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a fan enough of country to make that call.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but guys, there's so much in the 90s.
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, right.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_00: It was a cultural explosion, and and we we dealt with so much.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_00: We lost Kurt Cobain, um, we lost Biggie, we lost Tupac.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there was a lot that happened in music.
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_00: Freddie Mercury.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_00: Freddie Mercury died.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, guys, the 90s was it it was a big decade.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and now I think we need to go into 90s shuffling.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_00: 90s shuffle it.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_00: Alright! God is fucking.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna, since I went first last time, I think it's time for Babbo to go first with our first one.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_02: I have a I have an interesting one, and we did mention him.
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we mentioned the group he was in.
• 1:08:00
  SPEAKER_02: But um Humpin' Around, Bobby Brown.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_00: Such a good one.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_02: I don't really remember that song that much, honestly.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, next one.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_02: And we were listen we were listening to this uh pre-recording, but nothing but a G Thang.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I was You guys will see it one day.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_02: Hopefully not.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_02: We were trying to get in the 90s spirit.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, that was two.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_02: That was two.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_02: That was number three.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, 3 a.m.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_02: Matchbox 20.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_02: We didn't even mention matchbox 20.
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I just I've seen one on on that's further down my list, but yeah.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_00: We uh Who is it?
• 1:08:39
  unknown: Three three.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't get to Oasis.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_00: And we were losing so much shit, anyways.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_02: All right, uh didn't talk about her, we did it in the 80s, but uh Vogue by Madonna.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, yep.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_00: That would be she was still producing hits in the early 90s.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_00: Big time, she was still a big force to be reckoned with.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_02: Ooh, interesting.
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-oh.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_02: Uh don't speak, no doubt.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh we forgot that we didn't even talk about them.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_00: And that's another female explosion, man.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_00: She was yeah.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_00: Damn.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, man.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_00: That was that was a good yeah, that was a good list.
• 1:09:15
  SPEAKER_00: All right, I guess it's your turn.
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_00: I guess it's my turn.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_02: I'm interested to see how much hip hop's gonna be on this one.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_00: None.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh, all right, not a one.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_00: All right, you ready?
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh first is Informer by Snow.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I alright, I I lied a little bit.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_00: I guess this is kind of one.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_00: The next one is Do you remember Come On and Ride at the Train by Quad City DJ?
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that one's on here.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_00: I I actually ironically Humpin' Around showed up, but I'm not gonna use that because um I got Walking in Memphis by Mark Cohn, which is a great song, underrated as hell.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh, number four is one of our big subjects of the 80s, Remember the Time by Michael Jackson off of that.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Fucking one of my favorite songs from Wow, yeah.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_00: And when I come around by Green Day, speaking of Green Day, yeah.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_00: You you work for the company that uh produces or you deliver for the company that produces their coffee.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and they gave you some more and it's fucking delicious, by the way.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_00: Green Day, good looking on the coffee, you guys.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_00: If you if you never make more music, keep making coffee.
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the coffee's delicious.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and now we get into Eric's favorite part.
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_00: Can I hear one of them dad jokes?
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna get a 90s inspired dad joke this week.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_01: I've been trying to keep them with the decades.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, here we go.
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_02: What did the 90s musicians bring a ladder to the recording studio?
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_02: Or why did the 90s musicians bring a ladder to the recording studio?
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm lost.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even have remotely a place to go for that.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_02: Because they heard the music was about to hit the next level.
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_00: And on that note, we'll see you next week.