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Mega Edition: The Virginia Roberts Deposition That Helped Expose Epstein And Maxwell (Part 4-6) (7/11/23) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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We're going to pick up where we left off with
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the Virginia Roberts deposition, so let's get right back to it. Question, okay,
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if I can direct your attention back to defendants Exhibit
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twelve at page fifteen and under the heading response to
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interrogatory number nine. Do you see what it says there? Virginia, yes, Menager,
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Miss Joffrey excuse me, responds as follows answer yes, question
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by manager. Okay. It says you worked as a locker
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room attendant for the spot area. Correct. Virginia responds yes, manager,
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And it says records produced in this case identify the
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date of employment as two thousand. Correct Virginia, yes, Menager,
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What records that were produced in this case cause you
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to believe that the employment began in two thousand? Virginia?
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Is this going back to another question that I'm not
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allowed to answer, Manager, No, Virginia, I have seen the
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documents and I know that my employment now was in
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two thousand. Manager. What documents did you see that caused
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you to make that answer? Virginia? The mar a Lago documents? Manager?
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Are they your mar Lago employment documents. Virginia kind of
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stumbles here, says, and Brad Edwards interjects, object to form. Virginia,
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my name is on there, manager, Okay, do you believe
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them to be your mar A Lago employment records? Virginia,
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as far as I can tell, Back to manager. Okay,
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so you were able to review your mar al Lago
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employment records. Edwards once again here objects to the form.
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Back to manager and respond to the question as it
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says right there that you respond, correct, Virginia, Yes, manager.
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When did you review the documents that you reviewed to
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cause you to respond to that answer that way? Virginia.
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I don't think I found out till sometime mid mid
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last year, I believe, menager. Okay, Virginia, I'm really not
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too sure, you know. I'm sorry, dates and documents, there's
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too many to remember. But here a menager interrupts her. Okay,
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you do admit that you filed in many documents that
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you met Kallay Maxwell in nineteen ninety eight or nineteen
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ninety nine, correct, Virginia, yes, menager, And do you admit
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that you told members of the media that you met
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Kallay Maxwell in nineteen ninety eight or nineteen ninety nine.
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Correct Edwards once again interjects here and objects to form.
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Virginia responds, that was my closest approximation to what I
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could actually remember. So Menager continues the questioning, and the
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media published in the newspapers that you met Gallan Maxwell
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in nineteen ninety eight or nineteen ninety nine. Correct again
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to this, Brad Edwards objects form. Virginia responds, Yes, they did, Menager,
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And the news media published the newspapers that you told them,
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which is that you were fifteen when you met Gallaine Maxwell.
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Correct Edwards once again interjects here and says form. Virginia responds,
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which is what I truly thought at the time. Menager, Okay,
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and it is not true that you were fifteen when
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you met Gallaine Maxwell. Correct Virginia's answer. It was a
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mistake that I made, yes, back to Menager, So that
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printing in the newspaper that you met Gallainne Maxwell when
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she was when you were fifteen, it's not a true
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statement of fact. Correct. Virginia responds, it is an incorrect
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statement that I have now found out that my employment
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started in two thousand. Menager, all right, and to the
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best of your recollection. You found that out in the
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middle of twenty fifteen. Correct to this, Sigared McCauley objects.
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Virginia continues, to the best of my recollection, I mean,
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I can't pinpoint an exact date I found out, but yes.
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Meninger goes on to continue about a year ago. And
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then there's a pause here for a second, and then
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the other lawyer, Pagliuca, as if we're all participating in
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this deposition or just and to that he's cut off
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by Sigared McCauley, and she says the same way, you
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guys did. Pagliuca responds, we did not. Menager says I
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did not. McCauley says, you both objected. Manager says no.
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Pagliuca goes, no, we didn't. Back to McCauley, who says
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we can go through the record. Pagliuca says, we sure can.
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So if we're all participating, maybe I'll have a few
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questions at the end of this. I think we should
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limit this to one lawyer, and your statement about two
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lawyers participating and the last deposition is wrong. McCauley responds, well,
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I recall that she got a microphone because she said
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she was going to be objecting, so Pagliuca responds, I
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know she put on a microphone and we didn't speak
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through the whole thing. Cigarete McCauley responds, well, we can
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take a look back at the record. You know it's
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not a problem. Brad can make the objections. Pagliuk Okay,
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let's take care of it that way. Then, Edwards, can
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you tell me when you're at a good stopping point, Menager,
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I was about to say it's been an hour. Edwards responds, yeah, Menager,
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so this would be a good time to take a break.
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Brad Edwards okay, thanks. So the participants take a fifteen
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minute break at this point, and they recess from ten
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twelve am to ten twenty seven am. When they come back,
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Menager gets busy again. All right, Virginia, you testified that
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you first became aware that you your employment at mar
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A Lago began in two thousand. In mid twenty fifteen,
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correct Edwards once again, object a form mischaracter rises her testimony.
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Virginia responds, I don't know exactly when. It could be
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towards the end of twenty fifteen, it could be towards
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the beginning of twenty sixteen. I just know that I've
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learned about it recently. I'm not too sure exactly what
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date I did learn about it. Menager. Okay, but to
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your mind, it's been within the last six to twelve months.
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Is that fair, Virginia. I wouldn't say twelve months. No,
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I would just say up until. I don't know when
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I was shown that when I actually first saw it,
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but it wasn't a year ago. Menager? Saw your employment
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records from mar A Lago, Virginia, correct? Menager? Okay. I'm
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going to show you an exhibit marked as defendants Exhibit thirteen. Menager, Okay,
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all right, Virginia. Do you recognize this document? Virginia responds yes,
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I do. Menager. What is this document? Virginia? This is
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a resume that I created myself. Manager, all right? And
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what address did you put at the top of your resume?
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Virginia answers, but this is redacted? Manager. And when did
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you live at that address? Virginia? I believe from twenty
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thirteen to twenty fourteen? Menager? Okay, and you said you
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created this document, correct, Virginia, yes, Menager. And did you
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send it out to any employers Virginia, do you have
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any attachments that this goes with to say that I have,
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because I'm not too sure. I've created a lot of resumes, Menager, Okay,
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and hold on, I'll see if we do. Manager, all right,
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I'll mark this next as defendants Exhibit fourteen. Virginia, thank you, Manager,
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all right. Do you recognize this document? Virginia, yes, Manager.
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What is this document? Virginia? This is me replying for
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ads to jobs? Menager, okay, And you were communicating with
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by your email, correct, Virginia, yes, Menager, all right, and
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I apologize. This one actually has a resume attached to
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an email. Virginia, Uh huh, Menager. Do you see that
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towards the back of the document? Virginia, yes, I do, Menager. Okay.
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So Virginia responds, sorry, Manager. To whom, to whom with
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whom were you communicating with about a job at this time? Virginia, Well,
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on the very top, filler, Gary, And that was for
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a bartending position, Menainger, okay. Was that something that your
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brother had recommended or your father? I don't know who, Virginia.
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You know, I just looked at that. That's kind of
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why I giggled. I don't know why. Am my brother.
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That's my brother. That's the way we talk to each other.
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High stupid head, good luck, smelly signed sissy. He's my
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little brother, so you have to understand we kind of
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play around, but subject to my resume for hospitality. I'm
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not too sure why he would have gotten it, but
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apparently he did. Menager. Okay, and you see that your
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resume was attached to an email communication that you had
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with your brother, Virginia. Yes, I do, Menager, right, And
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that's also your brother was part of the email chain
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with respect to an ad placed on Craigslist for a position. Correct, Virginia,
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he was on. Let me just check the dates then, Menager. Sure, Virginia,
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the twentieth of January twenty fourteen and the twenty first,
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so just within a day of each other. Yes, Menager,
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all right. Then the resume that's attached is the address
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you were living at in January. Virginia interjects, yes, Menager
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of twenty fourteen. Correct. Virginia responds again, correct, Menager, all right.
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So you believe you created the resume that's attached to
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the defendant's exhibit fourteen correct, Virginia, correct, And you sent
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it out with respect to this employment you saw on craigslist, correct, Virginia.
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That's correct, Menager. And you are the only one who
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put into this document the contents of the resume, right, Virginia, Yes, Menainger,
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all right, And to this, Brad Edwards once again interjects,
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we're talking about the resume that's attached to Exhibit fourteen, right, Meninger,
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we are Edwards Okay, got it, Menager. Thank you for clarifying. Edwards,
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got it, Menager. Although I don't know there are any
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differences with the defendants Exhibit thirteen, Menager, but just to
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be safe, you believe the one attached to defendants fourteen
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is the one that you sent. Virginia responds. There are differences,
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isn't there? Yes, there is, Menager. Okay, what are the
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differences that you know, Virginia. It starts. I mean, let
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me see. The very top introduction is the same, uh huh, Virginia.
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After the experience, Menager, Uh huh, Virginia. That changes, the
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day changes. And then underneath the employment training recruitment is
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into go bar and grill on exhibit fourteen. On Exhibit thirteen,
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it's Manuey logistics Underneath employment training and recruiting, and then
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underneath Manuey Logistics on Exhibit thirteen is mar A Lago
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Resort and spa, and on Exhibit fourteen is gemmictering wedding receptions.
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So there is quite a few differences, Menager, Okay, great.
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Do you have any idea when you sent out defendants
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Exhibit thirteen or if you did to an employer, Virginia answers.
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Unless you have something that's attached to it, I can't
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be sure that I did. Okay, Is the content in
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defendants Exhibit fourteen that you believe you sent out to
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an employer correct? Unfortunately, Virginia Answers, I have to tell
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you they are not correct. Through my experience, I was
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in the mindset that I was unemployable. I had been
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abused for many years, and I was told by a
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job agency that I need to show that I have
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consistently worked at various places and given experience. So it's
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not something that I'm proud of. But I have had
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a plump up my resume to make it look as
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though I could be employed. Menager, what do you mean
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plump up your resume? Virginia, Well, I couldn't. I didn't
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feel that I could go to an employer and tell
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them that I had held, you know, one job in
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the last ten to twelve years, and before that, I
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was traffic for the purpose of sex, and that's definitely
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something you don't want to put down on your resume,
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which makes you quite highly unemployable. So I did add
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places in such as Indigo Bar and Grill, Calmo, Flamenco
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Bar and restaurant manager. Wait, wait, which one, Virginia on
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Exhibit B, Menager, Uh huh, Virginia underneath experience. The dates
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are all in correct as well. It's just to show
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that I was consistently working, which I was not, and
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I needed a job to help my family. I've got
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a family of five, So, like I said, it's not
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something I'm proud of that I had to do, but
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I felt that it was the only way that I
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could actually get employed, Menager. So you lied on your resume, Virginia.
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I made it look as though I had continuously worked
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throughout the years, so that way an employer would see
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me as a potential candidate, Menager. Okay, well, let's start
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with Employment Training and Recruitment ET Australia. Did you work
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at that place of employment, Virginia, I did work there, Menager.
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What dates did you actually work there, Virginia. I know
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I finished working for we call it ET Australia, So
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if you don't mind me abbreviating it manager however you want, Virginia,
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I know I finished there in January of two thousand
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and six, right before my son was born, my first
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son was born, and I believe I worked there for
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a year. I believe, so it might have been a
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little bit over a year, but just around a year,
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all right. So you worked out of place for about
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a year, and on your resume you type that you
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worked there for nine years correct answer correct question by manager?
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And you did that correct, Virginia. I did manager? Nobody
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else type that for you, Virginia. No, I did it
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myself manager, all right. And the next employment in you
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list here, well, is your job description accurate, Virginia, Yes,
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that is actually accurate, Menager, Okay, And everything in there
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is what you actually did, Virginia. Yes, for ET Australia, Menager, Okay.
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Indigo Bar and Grill. Did you type that in Virginia?
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I did type that in manager? And did you actually
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work at Indigo Bar and Grill? Virginia, No, I did
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not menager. All right, So the dates you put on
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your resume are not true, Virginia, that's correct. Manager. The
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title of your job at that place was not correct.
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You didn't work there, right, Virginia, I never worked there. Manager.
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The description that you typed out about the things that
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you did at the Indigo Bar and Grill is made up. Correct, Virginia, Well,
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it's it's generally what you would do if you were
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a server or a waitress. But like I said, I
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did not work at the Indigo Bar and Grill manager.
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So when you represented to an employer that you were
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applying for a job that you had done these things,
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you had not actually done these things at Indigo Bar
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and Grill. Correct, Virginia, No, at Indigo Bar and Grill, no, manager.
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All right. Can you read the first sentence of your
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job description, Virginia for Indigo Bar and Grill manager, Right, Virginia,
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at this restaurant located inside of RSL, we were never slow, manager, Okay,
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so when you said we were never slow, you just
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made that up. Correct Edwards interjects, form. Virginia responds, I
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tried to give as much information to my potential employer
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to show that I could handle a large amount of
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pressure and guests. So, yes, I put that in there, Menager.
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But you represented you were there working as a server
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or waitress, that we were never slow. That is not true. Correct, Well,
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I never, Virginia responds, worked there. So it's again. I
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was very highly unemployable given my past, so I did
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whatever I could to make a look as though my
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potential employer could hire me. Menager. Okay, you described your
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duties that were not Those were fictional duties, correct, Virginia.
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There were duties that a waitress and a server would do, Manager,
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but you did not do them at Indigo Bar, Virginia.
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I did not do them at Indigo Bar and Grill. Menager. Okay,
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you described your energetic service and your service with a
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smile to the guests. That was not true, correct, Virginia.
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Everything in Indigo Bar and Grill is not correct, Menager.
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And you created that entire description, correct, Virginia, for the
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sole purpose of being able to obtain employment. Yes, I did,
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manager to get money, and to this brat Edwards objects
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once again, form Virginia answers to make a wage for
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my family, Menager. All right. The next job GEMM Catering
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and Wedding Receptions? Did it? Is that a job that
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you actually held, Virginia. I did actually work there. I
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don't know the dates, but I was the server, waitress,
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and the bartender. All Right, folks, we're gonna wrap up
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with this section here, and this is a mammoth. Folks.
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There's a lot to get through, but have no fear.
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We're gonna continue on this journey and we're gonna get
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all of these core documents that are meaningful, all of
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these core documents that are the receipts of everything that
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we talked about added to the catalog. So buckle up
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and get your barf bag red. It's gonna be a
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disgusting ride. All of the information that goes with this
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episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
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and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. This episode, we're
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gonna pick right back up where we left off with
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the Virginia Roberts deposition. So let's just dive right back
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in and not waste any time. Manager. All right, the
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next job GEMM Catering and Wedding Receptions. Did it? Is
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that job one that you actually worked Virginia? I did
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actually work there. I don't know the dates, but I
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was a server, waitress and bartender Menager March of two
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thousand and three to April two thousand and four. Is
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that about when you work there, Virginia. It could be
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very close to it. I'm not too sure. Manager, You're
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not too sure, Virginia answers, No, I'm not sure. Manager.
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Did you have children? Had you already had children at
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the time that you work there, Virginia, No, I do
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not believe that I did. I became a stay at
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home mom when I had my first child. And what
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year was that, Virginia responds two thousand and six? Manager. Okay,
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so you believe you worked at Gemmy Catering and Wedding
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Receptions before two thousand and six, Virginia. I believe so, manager.
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And other than that, you can't recall what dates that
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you worked there, Virginia, I'm sorry, I couldn't help. No, Manager,
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all right, and then what were your actual Is that
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your actual job that you had there, Virginia. The description
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of it manager, the title server, waitress, bartender, Virginia, yes, manager,
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all right? Is the description accurate, Virginia to a tea manager?
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What's that Virginia to a tea. Manager. Okay, the next
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job you list is man way logistics logistics receptionist. Is
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that a job that you actually held, Virginia it This
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is a job that I held, Manager, And when did
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you hold it? Virginia. Again, I'm very bad at dates.
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I'm not too sure, Manager, all right, Approximately when did
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you have it, Virginia. I don't want to speculate and
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give you the wrong answer, so I'm not too sure. Manager.
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Did you have children at the time you worked there, Virginia, No, Manager,
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So before two thousand and six, Virginia, yes, Manager, And
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after you moved to Australia, which was what year, Virginia.
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I moved to Australia at the end of two thousand
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and two, I believe, Manager. All right. Do you recall
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going to work shortly after you got to Australia, Virginia, yes, Manager,
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How Virginia interrupts. I had to obtain my ability to
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work there, so I think that took a couple months.
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You can get a temporary visa that allows you to
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work while you're waiting for your permanent resident status, and
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that's what we did. Manager, all right. Were you able
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to apply for that temporary job permission before you actually
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got married in Australia, Virginia. I got married in aus well,
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we were married in Thailand, really, but we made it
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official in January of two thousand and three, and within
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a couple of weeks I was granted the permission to
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work in Australia legally. Manager. Okay, so, to the best
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of your recollection, you got permission to work in Australia
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sometime in the spring of two thousand and three. To this,
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Brad Edwards objects to form and then Virginia answers, that's
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actually summer over there, manager, fair enough, the first quarter
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of the year, calendar year, Virginia. Yes, Manager, two thousand
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and three, Virginia. If we're going to be politically correct, yes,
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that's what you recall, Menager, ass Virginia indicating I'm sorry, yes, manager.
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And is your description of Manuay Logistics correct, Virginia, Yes, Manager,
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all right? And how long did you work there, Virginia.
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I think it was less than a year that I
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worked there. I would approximate about six seven months. Menager.
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Can you name one coworker you had, or boss or
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anybody else that knew that you worked there? Virginia. I
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know her name started with an M, but I can't remember.
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I remember what she looks like. I just don't remember
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her name. Menager, okay? And how much did you make there, Virginia.
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I don't remember the exact amount, approximately about twenty dollars
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an hour, I think, menager. And how many hours per
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week were you working for that six months to a year, Virginia.
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I believe it was full time menager, and is full
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time the same in Australia? Virginia. Yeah, it's a forty
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hour week menager. Okay, Virginia, well, thirty eight because you
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get two hours for lunch. So yes, manager. Alright, have
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you been in touch with anyone from that employment in
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a while? Virginia? Answer is no, menager alright. The next
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job listed there is what Virginia answers, cal Mal Flamenco
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Bar and restaurant manager. Is that someplace you actually worked, Virginia, No,
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it's not menager. Is that a place that actually exists, Virginia?
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I don't really know menager all right, Virginia. I mean
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I think I looked on the internet and found something
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similar to what the description I was needing to fill,
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and that was it, Menager. Okay. So when you were
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creating this document in twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, right, that's
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when you had the Titus Villa address, Virginia, Yes, Manager,
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all right. You went on the Internet and you search
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for a place that would be like the job you
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were looking for, Virginia responds, correct, Manager, and you found
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the name of an actual place, cal Mal Flamenco Bar
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and Restaurant. Did I get that right, Virginia. I'm not
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one hundred percent on that, but I think so, Menager, okay.
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And you did that in order to impress the employer
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you were applying for here in the email, correct, Virginia, correct, Menager,
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all right. And you did that in order to get
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money from a job that you hope to get from
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this employer. In the email, correct, Virginia, I was hoping
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to get employment and not having much experience. I put
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that in there that I had the experience, Manager, okay.
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And you said that you had been advised to plump
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up your resume by a job agency, Is that right, Virginia, Yes, Manager.
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What was the name of that job agency, Virginia. Before
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I worked at ET Australia, I was actually a job
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seeker there and the job seeker, I don't know if
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you're familiar with the term somebody who is looking for
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work and you go to a job agency and you
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go look on the computer and you actually have somebody
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who helps you find employment, and they are the ones
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who recommend that you show that you've continuously worked throughout
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your years. They ended up really liking me, so that's
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how I got the job there. Menager, Okay, was it
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a particular person in there that gave you the advice
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to plump up your resume? Virginia? It would have been
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one of the counselors, Menager, which one, Virginia? I don't know. Menager, Okay,
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do you remember the names of any of the counselors, Virginia.
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I only remember the name of one of the girls
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I work with, but I don't remember. I don't remember
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anyone else's name. Manager. When did you first become a
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job seeker at ET Australia, Virginia, Well, if I finished
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there in two thousand and six, and I worked there
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for approximately a year, it would have had to have
25:34
been two thousand and five, late two thousand and four,
25:36
two thousand and five. I'm not too sure. Menager. Okay.
25:40
So you were a job seeker there first, and then
25:43
you got the employment there, right, Virginia, Yes, menager okay.
25:48
So the advice to plump up your resume was while
25:50
you were seeking a job or while you were employed there, Virginia,
25:55
while I was seeking a job, manager, all right, and
25:58
you were assigned to counselor Virginia, yes, menager, one or
26:04
more than one, Virginia. It changes on a daily basis.
26:07
There's somebody who comes into the office and they sit
26:10
with you and they help you with your resume, and
26:12
then they help you go on the computer and look
26:15
for open vacancies menagers. So someone in approximately two thousand
26:20
and five gave you the advice to plump up your resume,
26:23
that's what you're saying, Virginia, to make it look like
26:26
I've continuously worked. Yes, Yo, Meninger's acting like this is
26:30
something that's crazy. It's not. I can't tell you how
26:34
many employees I've had through the years who plumped up
26:37
their resume. Give me a break already. What she's trying
26:40
to do is destroy Virginia's credibility, and as we all
26:43
know now, it didn't work out so well for them.
26:46
Did it Meninger. Okay, So back to the Calmal Flamenco
26:52
Bar and Grill, which is a place you found on
26:55
the internet but did not actually work. Is that the
26:58
dates for your employment there December TI, two thousand and
27:00
one to February two thousand and three not true? Correct Virginia.
27:05
Obviously Yes, at the time I was during two thousand
27:10
and one, I was with Jeffrey and Golaine being trafficked. Manager.
27:15
Uh huh, So you were not working at the Calmal
27:18
Flamenco Bar Virginia obviously not Yes, manager, And you said
27:24
you got back to Australia in late two and did
27:27
not work there between late two and February of three.
27:31
Correct Virginia. I've never worked at Calmuth Flamenco Bar and
27:36
Grill period. Manager all right. And the job description that
27:41
you crafted there is also fictional. Correct Virginia. Yes, manager,
27:47
all right. And mar al Lago Resort and Spa you
27:50
put down as a place you had worked, correct Virginia,
27:54
Correct manager, and you typed in August two thousand to
27:57
September two thousand and one, correct Virginia, Correct manager, and
28:03
you created your job description there correct Virginia. Correct manager,
28:09
all right, And then turning to the last page, you
28:12
have your education, correct, Virginia. Can I just make a
28:17
statement to say that again, with the mar al Lago
28:20
resort and SPA, I did have to add dates to
28:22
make it look as though I had continuously worked, So
28:26
those again are incorrect dates, Menager. But it is a
28:30
date that you typed into a resume in twenty thirteen
28:34
or twenty fourteen. And to this, Virginia interrupts this statement,
28:40
that is the date that then Menager itterrupts back. If
28:43
you could just let me finish with my question, Virginia responds, sure, Manager,
28:49
that is a date that you typed into your resume
28:51
in twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen. Correct, Virginia, that is
28:56
the date that I did type in, But those are
28:58
incorrect dates, manager, all right, Virginia. And as well as
29:04
the position organizing making and canceling appointments for massage therapists. Menager, alright, Virginia,
29:12
I mean I was their locker room attendant. I just
29:15
wanted it to sound like I had more receptionist experience
29:18
than I did. You wanted it to look like you
29:21
had more experience than you had had. Correct, that's what
29:25
you just said, Virginia, correct. I mean, given that my
29:29
past had not enabled me to be able to look
29:31
for work, or I wasn't able to put down that
29:34
I actually had had to do in my past, so
29:37
I made it look as though I was able to
29:38
be employed. Menager, you did not have the past that
29:42
you thought the employer was looking for, right, Virginia. I
29:46
couldn't put down on there that I was sex trafficked
29:48
for a couple of years and did not have the
29:50
experience to be able to apply for jobs and provide
29:54
for my family. So this is something that I said. Again,
29:57
I am not proud of it, but I felt it
29:59
was necessary to be able to gain employment. Manager, all right.
30:04
So you were applying for a job at a restaurant, right, Virginia.
30:08
At this according to the front of email, Yes, manager,
30:12
all right? And you did not put down Taco Bell
30:14
on the resume, correct, Virginia. No, The only jobs on
30:18
here are the ones that we have mentioned, Menager. Right,
30:22
And so why did you choose August of two thousand
30:26
as your start date for mar A Lago, Virginia. It
30:29
just looks as though I've given them a long standing
30:32
history of employment. Manager, You chose a month. Why did
30:37
you choose that month, Virginia. I chose months and dates
30:41
for every single position on that resume. There's no specific
30:45
reason why I chose that month. It was just purely
30:48
to show that I was continuously employed. Menager. On the
30:53
last page, it has some education, which part of that
30:56
is untrue. Brad Edwards objects to this and Virginia, I
31:01
have received my Business Administration Certificate three from ET Australia.
31:06
I've never held Responsible Service of Alcohol and Gambling manager.
31:12
Do you understand to be a licensing of some sort
31:15
or a class or what do you understand that? Virginia
31:18
then interrupts. In Australia, you have to have something called
31:22
an RSA and RCG to be able to work as
31:25
a waitress or a bartender or anything. And I didn't
31:29
know if it was the same out here in America,
31:31
so I put down that I had. I had taken
31:34
a CPR and first Aid. I don't remember when, but
31:37
it's not current. And I did go to Royal Palm
31:41
Beach High School and I didn't put down a degree
31:43
there or anything. Manager, So it's fair to say that
31:48
you've never worked as a waitress in Australia. Is that
31:51
what you just said, Virginia, I did work as a
31:54
waitress at Gemma Catering. Manager. Oh okay, Virginia, I don't believe.
31:59
I know I need my RSA to work there. I'm
32:02
not too sure, manager, all right? And if I could
32:05
just ask you one other question about Gemma Cating. In
32:08
the last line of the job description, it says this
32:11
job was a second job. I worked in the evenings
32:14
and weekends for saving extra cash. What was it that
32:17
was the second job to you, Virginia in my time period?
32:22
Is right? It would be my second job to Manuey
32:25
Logistics because they were both Gemma Catoring and Manuey Logistics
32:29
were both in Sydney, whereas ET Australia was on the
32:33
Central Coast. All right, Et Australia on the central coast, Virginia, correct, Manager,
32:41
and Gemma Manwey is in Sydney. Virginia's in Sydney, Yeah, Manager,
32:47
all right? Got it? Do you know if those organizations
32:50
still exist, Virginia Manwey, I would definitely say it's a
32:55
very large logistic company. I would say it still does exist.
32:59
Jemmy Caa. I'm not too sure if that exists anymore.
33:03
All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up this part right here,
33:06
and in the next episode when we're talking about this topic,
33:09
we're going to pick up where we left off. All
33:12
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33:15
found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
33:20
back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going
33:23
to continue taking a look at the Virginia Roberts deposition.
33:28
So let's get right back to it, Menager, Okay, all right, So,
33:33
did you spend your sixteenth birthday with Gallan Maxwell and
33:37
Jeffrey Epstein Virginia. No, I was sixteen when I met them,
33:41
now that I know the correct dates, so I would
33:44
have spent my seventeenth birthday with them. Manager. So when
33:48
you represented that you spent your sixteenth birthday with Glean
33:52
Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, that was not true. Correct at
33:56
my ability at the time, That's what I believe to
33:59
be true. It wasn't until I found the mar A
34:02
Lago record stating the year two thousand. Me being born
34:05
in nineteen eighty three would make me turning seventeen that year. Manager,
34:10
So please describe for me your seventeenth birthday that you
34:13
claim you spent with Glaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. Virginia.
34:19
I remember spending a birthday with them on that Jeffrey
34:22
Epstein's island called Little Saint Jeff's. I wouldn't say it
34:25
was a party. It was just Golaine, me, Jeffrey. I
34:29
believe redacted was there. I got some presents from them, Manager,
34:34
What presence did you get, Virginia. Glaine gave me a
34:37
whole bunch of makeup, like boxes of different kinds of
34:40
eyeshadows and lipsticks and just make up all together. Jeffrey
34:45
gave me a bracelet, and I think earrings, Menager. What
34:48
kind of earrings, Virginia? They were what I believe to
34:52
be diamonds. I don't know what they exactly were. I
34:55
think Jeffrey was talking about. They could have been passed
34:59
off good knockoffs, but they appeared to be diamonds, Menager.
35:03
Any other presence, Virginia. I remember the makeup and the jewelry.
35:07
I don't remember much else, Menager. And that was your
35:11
seventeenth birthday, you said. Edward's here interjects once again for form.
35:17
Virginia then responds, it's hard for me. To really pinpoint
35:20
exactly which birthday it was, Menager. So it could have
35:25
been your eighteenth or your nineteenth, Virginia, I don't want
35:29
to lock down on which exact birthday it could have
35:31
been without knowing, Menager, you don't know which birthday it was.
35:35
Is that what you're saying, Virginia, the one that I'm
35:38
specifically telling you about, Menager? Right, you don't know which one, Virginia, No, Menager,
35:45
all right? Do you remember spending more than one birthday
35:48
with Jeffrey Epstein and Glene Maxwell, Virginia, yes, Menager, Okay,
35:54
tell me about the other ones that you remember, Virginia. Well,
35:58
I know my nineteenth birthday. I can't remember really my
36:01
eighteenth birthday, but my nineteenth birthday. We celebrated it early,
36:05
earlier than my actual date of birth, and that's when
36:08
he surprised me with tickets to Thailand. Menager, What do
36:12
you mean surprised you with tickets to Thailand? Virginia. He
36:16
told me that the tickets for Thailand were for my birthday. Manager.
36:20
Did he hand you something that looked like a ticket
36:22
to Thailand? What do you mean, Virginia, He didn't hand
36:26
me the tickets at that time, but he told me
36:28
that he had booked me in a massage training at
36:31
an institute at Chang May, Menager. And he told you
36:36
that he had booked you tickets to massage training in
36:39
Chiang May, Thailand, sometime before your actual nineteenth birthday. Edwards
36:44
once again objects to form. Menager. Did I get that right?
36:48
Virginia answers, yes, Manager, Okay, did he hand you Virginia interrupts,
36:54
excuse me, manager, hand you anything at that time? Virginia, No,
36:59
I don't think so, oh, manager. And where were you
37:02
located when he told you this about the Thailand massage training, Virginia.
37:08
Jeffrey Gulaine and I had just gone scuba not scuba diving,
37:12
not with the big tanks, bud snorkeling with just the
37:15
mask and the two piece, and on Jeffrey's island by
37:18
the way, and we had just gone out for a
37:20
while and we had come back and he's got a
37:23
new pier where it's got a ladder that you can
37:26
climb up, and we were wearing wet suits, so we
37:29
were taking off our flippers and our wet suits and
37:32
all of our gear, and they said they wanted to
37:34
sit down and talk to me, just the three of us,
37:37
and he first he told me about the she's interrupted
37:41
here by menager. If I could just stop you, I
37:44
think I asked where you were, Virginia. Oh, I'm sorry,
37:48
Manager interrupts again. When you had this conversation about the
37:51
Virginia now interrupts her. Just the island. I'm just trying
37:55
to describe the instance that he gave it to me. Manager. Oh, okay, Virginia.
38:02
It was on the island, on the pier in the Caribbean.
38:05
Manager okay. And it was some time before your nineteenth birthday, Virginia.
38:10
Correct Manager, how much time before, Virginia, I don't know.
38:14
A couple six weeks, a couple of months. I don't know,
38:18
close to my birthday. It was my birthday present. That's
38:21
what he told me. Manager okay. So you don't know
38:25
when you had this conversation, Brad Edwards to this objects
38:29
to form, Virginia. I mean, I know I didn't record
38:35
the time and the date, so I can only speculate
38:38
it was shortly before my birthday, but not on my birthday. Manager, okay.
38:44
And he told you he had booked the tickets for
38:47
you to go to Thailand, right, Virginia. Correct. Manager, all right,
38:51
So you remember one birthday at which you receive makeup, bracelet,
38:55
and earrings, and one birthday at which you receive tickets
38:59
to Thailand. Do you remember any other birthdays that you
39:03
spent with Jeffrey Epstein and Lord Glenn Maxwell. Virginia, I'm
39:07
sure there is, but I honestly can't remember what I
39:11
did for my eighteenth birthday. Menager? Okay, well, I'm sorry.
39:15
Did you know for sure that the bracelet, earrings, and
39:18
makeup were from your seventeenth birthday or do you know, Virginia.
39:23
I don't know, Menager, but you know they were not
39:27
for your sixteenth birthday, right, Virginia, correct? Menager? All right?
39:33
If I could have you go back to defendant's exhibit one,
39:36
I think, Virginia defendant sorry, exhibit one, Menager. Yeah, page nine,
39:42
either at the bottom or in the upper right hand corner.
39:46
Do you see that page, Virginia, Page nine of twenty seven, yes, Manager,
39:52
all right? And paragraph twenty three. Do you see that paragraph? Virginia?
39:56
I see the paragraph, Manager, all right. Virgin I was
40:00
just going to read it over quickly, manager, by all means,
40:04
Virginia responds, I've read it, Manager, and the sentence, defendant
40:09
and miss Maxwell acknowledged and celebrated plaintiff's sixteenth birthday. Is
40:13
that not a true statement, correct, Virginia. Only upon learning
40:18
about the fact that I just found out my records,
40:21
I assumed at the time it was my sixteenth birthday.
40:24
But now we know different. Menager. You admit, as you
40:29
sit here today, the defendant and Miss Maxwell did not
40:32
celebrate your sixteenth birthday with you. Correct, Virginia. Correct, based
40:37
upon the records, Menager, which you don't know when you
40:41
saw Virginia. I know it was, you know it wasn't
40:46
It wasn't a year ago, but it wasn't that long
40:48
ago either, So I'm not too sure I can tell
40:51
you that the date that I actually saw them, Menager.
40:54
All right, last year, you lived in Colorado for a
40:57
part of the year. Correct Virginia for part of the year, yes, Menager,
41:02
And then you moved to Australia. Correct Virginia. Yes, Menager.
41:07
You did not live in Florida at any point in
41:10
time during twenty fifteen, correct, Virginia. I believe I left
41:15
Titusville at the end of twenty fourteen. Okay, so you
41:19
did not live in Florida during twenty fifteen, correct, Menager,
41:23
ass Virginia, I believe so, Menager. All right, So when
41:28
you reviewed these records sometime in twenty fifteen, that caused
41:32
you to know the real date of when you worked
41:35
at mar A Lago where you were physically located. And
41:38
to this question, brad Edwards once again objects to the
41:41
form and mischaracterized of her testimony. Virginia, I don't remember
41:46
where I saw these records. When I saw these records,
41:49
I know it wasn't a year ago. I know it
41:51
was more recent. I can't pinpoint the date that I
41:54
actually saw them, but I recently, I believe. I don't know.
41:58
I don't want to sit here and speculate and give
42:00
you the wrong answer. It's just new knowledge to me. Menager,
42:04
all right. Did you receive the records by email? Virginia,
42:07
I believe so, Menager. Okay. Did you use any email
42:11
address other than redacted? Virginia, No, Menager, that's the only
42:17
email address that you've used, Virginia. That's correct, Menager. And
42:22
the mar A Lago records that you reviewed you received
42:25
by email at that email address. Virginia. Possibly, I mean,
42:29
I can't say one hundred percent. I could have been
42:32
told about them. I could have seen them on a
42:34
piece of paper. I really don't know. This is a
42:37
very hazy subject. All I know is that I found
42:40
out and that was able to clarify a lot of
42:43
dates for us. Menager, Okay, what other dates were clarified?
42:48
Edwards again interjects, Here I object and instruct the witness
42:52
not to answer if any of your knowledge is based
42:55
on any privileged communication that you had between yourself and
42:59
any of your lawyers. Mener, Okay, you just said you
43:02
review the records yourself. Correct, Brad Edwards object that mischaracterized
43:09
your testimony. She actually just testified that she may have
43:12
heard it. Menager, No, you're not testifying. I've asked her
43:17
to that. Edwards interjects, I'm clearing the record up right now, though, Manager,
43:22
you can object based on form. That's a valid objection.
43:25
You've made your record. Menager, did you review records that
43:30
clarified dates for you, Virginia, I've either reviewed them or
43:34
I've been told about them. I can't remember. I'm sorry.
43:37
I know I know now that the dates are what
43:39
they are, but I don't remember. Menager, you don't remember
43:44
when you learn that the dates are what they are. Virginia, No,
43:47
I don't, Manager, and your best guess is what to this?
43:53
Once again, Brad Edwards has an objection if any of
43:56
your answer is based on attorney client privilege, I'm instructed
44:00
you not to answer, Virginia. I can't answer, then, Menager. Okay,
44:05
so have your attorneys told you to change your dates?
44:08
Edwards objects again, objection, do not answer that question. This
44:12
is a question intentionally devised to invade the attorney client privilege.
44:17
She's not going to answer those questions. Manager, you can
44:20
answer a question about whether your attorneys had told you
44:24
a lie, because that would be a crime. And I'm sure.
44:27
And to this, Virginia interjects, I will. Manager goes on
44:32
with her question or her statement. I should say, I'm
44:35
sure you want to tell me that your attorneys did
44:37
not tell you to lie. Correct, Virginia, I can tell
44:40
you for a fact, my attorneys have never told me
44:42
to lie. Menager, All right, did your attorney tell you
44:47
to change a date? Edwards again objects. She's not answering
44:51
any questions about communications between her lawyers and herself, period. Menager.
44:57
So if I could also direct your attention to defendants
45:00
Exhibit eight. It's the manuscript. If you could turn to
45:03
page forty, the videographer. I just have a quick request, Council,
45:08
Miss Roberts, would you mind bringing the mike higher up
45:11
on your jacket, please, Virginia, sure, the videographer, Thank you, Virginia.
45:16
Tell me if that's okay? Better? Okay? Page forty Menager, right,
45:22
did you see the first full paragraph of that page?
45:24
I do. The first line begins, I spent my sweet
45:27
sixteenth birthday on the island in the Caribbean, next to
45:31
little Saint James Isle. He liked to call it Little
45:33
Saint Jeff's. His ego was enormous, just as his appetite
45:38
was for fornicating. Do you see that sentence, Virginia, I do, Manager,
45:44
That is not true, correct, you are not spending your
45:47
sweet sixteenth birthday on little Saint James Isle. Correct, Virginia.
45:51
Based on my knowledge at the time that I wrote
45:54
this manuscript, I thought I did spend my sixteenth birthday there,
45:57
and so I put it down in there as that.
46:00
Now I know that it wasn't my sixteenth birthday or
46:03
your sweet sixteenth birthday, Virginia well edwards again, objects aform harassing, menager,
46:11
was it your sweet sixteenth birthday? Virginia? It is not
46:14
customed to call your sixteenth birthday sweet? Have you never
46:18
heard the saying before? Manager? Was it your sweet sixteenth birthday? Virginia?
46:24
Virginia answers as we Edwards again interjects, she's answered the question.
46:29
It's been asked and answered, Menager. She asked me a question. Actually,
46:34
you're not testifying here, menager. Was it your sweet sixteenth birthday, Virginia?
46:40
As I thought in the manuscript when I wrote it,
46:42
it was my sweet sixteenth birthday? Menager. Okay, now that
46:47
you know it wasn't. Where did you spend your sweet
46:50
sixteenth birthday? Virginia? Well, I don't know, Manager, Well, just
46:55
give us your best guess. Brad Edwards objects again, objection.
47:00
She's not going to guest today. She's going to tell
47:02
you the answers she remembers, and speaking to Virginia, he says,
47:06
if you remember the answer, please tell her the answer. Virginia,
47:10
I don't know the answer. Where I spent my sweet sixteen? Manager?
47:14
Do you know who you were with on your sweet
47:16
sixteenth Virginia? No, I do not, Manager. Do you know
47:20
where you lived on your sweet sixteenth birthday, Virginia. No,
47:24
I don't, Menager. Were you living with your parents on
47:27
your sweet sixteenth birthday, Virginia, I don't know, Menager. Were
47:32
you living with redacted on your sweet sixteenth birthday, Virginia?
47:36
I don't know. I was a runaway a lot. I
47:39
don't know where I lived at the time, Menager. Okay.
47:42
Were you working at Taco Bell on your sweet sixteenth birthday, Virginia?
47:46
I don't think so. I don't know, Menager. Were you
47:49
working at Public's on your sweet sixteenth birthday, Virginia? I
47:53
don't know, Menager. Were you working at an aviary on
47:57
your sweet sixteenth birthday? Virginia? Again, I do not know, Menager.
48:02
Do you recall any present you actually got on your
48:05
sixteenth birthday? Virginia? No, I do not. I don't know
48:09
where I spent it, who I spent it with, or
48:11
what I got. I'm sorry. All right, folks, We're gonna
48:14
wrap up with this part right here, and in the
48:17
next episode we'll keep it rolling. All of the information
48:21
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48:24
description box.