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The Week That Was – 12th May 2023 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Well it is time for the Week that was and
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  Speaker 1: joining us in the studio this morning making his Week
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  Speaker 1: that was debut, Steve Edgington here from Tenant Creek.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning to you.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, thanks.
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  Speaker 1: So much for your time, and we've got nine News
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  Speaker 1: Darwin's Kathleen Gazola, Good.
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  Speaker 2: Morning, Candleen. We have got well, firstly, we've got.
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  Speaker 4: And it's my brother's birthdact to you on the same day. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I did that in those days. Get this baby out now.
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  Speaker 1: And Eva Lola the treasurer of the perfect week to
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  Speaker 1: have you on.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning to your morning, Katy.
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  Speaker 1: And I was going to intro you last keys here
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  Speaker 1: as the birthday girl, but you've got that spectacular shirt
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  Speaker 1: on that says I'm special on the back, and well
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  Speaker 1: it's your birthday, so you can do and wear whatever
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  Speaker 1: you're like, are you, Yes, it is wonderful to have
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  Speaker 1: you all in the studio. It has been I say
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  Speaker 1: it every week, but it has been a massive week.
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  Speaker 1: We know that the budget was handed down both here
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  Speaker 1: in the territory and also federally, and we will get
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  Speaker 1: to that, get to quite a bit of discussion about
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  Speaker 1: that very shortly, but a lot of our listeners will
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  Speaker 1: be learning for the first time right now that the
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  Speaker 1: IKAC Commissioner, Michael Riches has released a report overnight. It
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  Speaker 1: was tabled in Parliament, as I understand it into the
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  Speaker 1: conduct of Well into the charging of zach Rov. So
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  Speaker 1: the report looking into the conduct prior.
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  Speaker 2: He says that he has.
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  Speaker 1: Concluded that there was no improper conduct in respect to
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  Speaker 1: the matters of the matters addressed in the report. So
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  Speaker 1: while he has concluded that there was no improper conduct,
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  Speaker 1: he thinks that the events offer an opportunity to reflect
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  Speaker 1: and consider approaches in the future, and that all public officials,
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  Speaker 1: when considering whether to comment publicly about any matter that
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  Speaker 1: is the subject of investigation and or judicial process, should
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  Speaker 1: consider whether it is appropriate to first take advice from
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  Speaker 1: the relevant body as to any prejudicial effect that such
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  Speaker 1: comment might have prejudicial. Now, obviously there was so much discussion,
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  Speaker 1: you know, before there was so much sort of discussion
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  Speaker 1: around the comments that were made by the then Chief
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  Speaker 1: Minister when he was in you and Demou following the
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  Speaker 1: shooting of Kuman Jai Walker, and so much has been said,
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  Speaker 1: I guess in this space. So that report has now
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  Speaker 1: concluded that there was no improper conduct. Kathleen, I'm assuming
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  Speaker 1: you've had a bit of an opportunity to have a
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  Speaker 1: look through it too.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I had to read of it last night.
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  Speaker 5: So obviously it was in relation to that phrase that
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  Speaker 5: Michael Gunner said at the community meeting, and and you
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  Speaker 5: in themu at that consequences will flow as a broader
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  Speaker 5: conversation about In the report, it outlines the broader conversation
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  Speaker 5: that he said in terms of the coronial inquest, and
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  Speaker 5: the coroner will look at it and go on from
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  Speaker 5: that after speaking with the elders at the community and
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  Speaker 5: other members there, with former Commissioner Chalker and former police
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  Speaker 5: Minister Nicole Madison there as well. It's only thirty pages,
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  Speaker 5: they sink the report is so you know, Commissioner Richards
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  Speaker 5: goes into a lot of detail as to his thought
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  Speaker 5: process and how he's reached those conclusions. So if people
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  Speaker 5: are interested, it's not a bad read because it does,
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  Speaker 5: whilst absolves them of wrongdoing in the sense of the
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  Speaker 5: Eyekac Act and that kind of stuff, it does admit
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  Speaker 5: that those comments did have some sort of impact on
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  Speaker 5: the police morale and that there was an impact on
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  Speaker 5: serving offices and obviously those who worked with former police
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  Speaker 5: officer rolf In Alice Springs, but the investigators are quoted
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  Speaker 5: in it that it had no influence as to their
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  Speaker 5: charging of him.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so I think that's a really important point about
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  Speaker 6: no influence in the actual decision to charge. But you know,
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  Speaker 6: the good advice that was in that report was for
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  Speaker 6: politicians to be very mindful about what they say. And
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  Speaker 6: this case is still the coronial still going, so we
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  Speaker 6: probably do need to be very mindful about what we're
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  Speaker 6: saying here today as well. So yeah, I think it
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  Speaker 6: is a solid reminder to all of us around that.
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  Speaker 6: And at times, you know, politicians get pushed by media
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  Speaker 6: people to make a comment, and when it was me
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  Speaker 6: talking about it, even now when there's cases that we've
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  Speaker 6: seen you lately, where there's been crimes that have been
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  Speaker 6: committed and often the media will ask for comments around that,
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  Speaker 6: and as you said, we've been much more mindful around that,
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  Speaker 6: and we have to and we do have to be careful.
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  Speaker 6: Everybody wants a fair trial.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there was no doubt that the words
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  Speaker 1: were at best awkward, you know, at worst, well, they
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  Speaker 1: were provocative.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And if.
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  Speaker 7: You read the full report, they've got the section.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they were provocative, and it's like it's all about perceptions.
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  Speaker 4: Like if I believe that that's what the intent of
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  Speaker 4: those words were, that's my reality exactly. I can still
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  Speaker 4: be wrong, but that was my reality.
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  Speaker 5: But the Police Association is quoted in the report saying
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  Speaker 5: that that Paul mckew is very unhappy with those words.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you came on.
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  Speaker 3: Your about it, but you know, when you're looking got
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  Speaker 3: those sort of things.
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  Speaker 8: Whilst the investigation says that it hasn't amounted to misconduct
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  Speaker 8: using those words in public. Police officers heard that, their
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  Speaker 8: families heard that, the public heard that. It's around about perception.
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  Speaker 8: I think many many people, even broadcast through the media
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  Speaker 8: in isolation, when people see those sort of comments, they
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  Speaker 8: believe those sort of comments, particularly when it's being said
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  Speaker 8: by the Chief Ministry.
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  Speaker 3: Have you read the report?
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  Speaker 8: I haven't read the actually has the report, but I
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  Speaker 8: haven't read.
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  Speaker 6: Has the quote and it has I think it was
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  Speaker 6: eight times where the former Chief Minister referred to the
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  Speaker 6: coroner in that.
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  Speaker 7: So I think you shouldn't read the report.
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  Speaker 6: It's a very fair report obviously, but yes, let's not
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  Speaker 6: let's be careful, but also we do need to understand
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  Speaker 6: that it was such an emotionally charged situation, and yeah,
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  Speaker 6: it is difficult when you're standing in front of a
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  Speaker 6: whole group of people. Yes, you know, hindsight's a great thing,
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  Speaker 6: and I'm sure you as I said, we do need
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  Speaker 6: to be careful anyway around.
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  Speaker 7: But read the report.
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  Speaker 8: I think hindsight is a great thing and clearly the
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  Speaker 8: Chief Minister certainly shouldn't have been there on that night,
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  Speaker 8: and I think that's what it gets down to.
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  Speaker 7: And well we could argue around that.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you're condemned if you do, when you're condemned
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  Speaker 6: if you don't. The community had asked for the Chief
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  Speaker 6: Minister to go out there and the police minister, and
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  Speaker 6: as I said, as politicians, sometimes that's the thing you
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  Speaker 6: need to do to be with people, and it is
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  Speaker 6: a difficult situation.
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  Speaker 8: I think common sense would say that in the middle
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  Speaker 8: of a police investigation, the last thing you want is
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  Speaker 8: a politician hanging around whilst police are trying to get
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  Speaker 8: on with the job. And I think all of those
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  Speaker 8: comments have been criticized, the perception of those comments, what
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  Speaker 8: people believed at the time.
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  Speaker 3: It's impacted right across the board. Right across the Northern Territy.
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  Speaker 8: It's impacted on police, the role family, the Unimo community,
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  Speaker 8: everybody's been impacted.
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  Speaker 2: There's no doubt.
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  Speaker 1: There is no doubt that that whole situation and it
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  Speaker 1: continues to have an ongoing impact on the community. There
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  Speaker 1: is no doubt about that. We know the inquest continues. Look,
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  Speaker 1: we might move long because there is so much to
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  Speaker 1: cover off on this morning. And one of the other
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  Speaker 1: things that did actually pass overnight is the Northern Territory
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  Speaker 1: Parliament past amendments to the Sentencing Act for well, both
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  Speaker 1: the Sentencing Act of nineteen ninety five and also the
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  Speaker 1: Youth Justice Act of two thousand and five.
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  Speaker 2: It is to establish a legislative.
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  Speaker 1: Framework for community courts sentencing procedures. So essentially, what the
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  Speaker 1: government is saying that this is going to do is
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  Speaker 1: reduce offending and imprisonment of Aboriginal Territorians, engage and support
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  Speaker 1: Aboriginal leadership, and improve justice responses and services for Aboriginal Territorians. Now,
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  Speaker 1: these community courts are going to help address and reduce
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  Speaker 1: the high rates the government says, of imprisonment and recidivism
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  Speaker 1: in the territory by engaging and supporting Aboriginal community leadership
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  Speaker 1: and cultural authority. So how exactly do these community courts
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  Speaker 1: work either.
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  Speaker 6: So basically, as the name suggests, it's actually about court,
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  Speaker 6: it's actually.
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  Speaker 7: Happening in the community. I think it's a great thing.
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  Speaker 6: I think if people actually see the process that these
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  Speaker 6: most of our communities are relatively small. Yeah, ye, so
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  Speaker 6: if they see, you know, the process, it's a bit
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  Speaker 6: like in school, you know, if you actually can see
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  Speaker 6: the consequences, if you can see what's happening, you can see,
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  Speaker 6: you know, what goes on. I think it's because often
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  Speaker 6: it's seen as an abstract thing. You know, if somebody
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  Speaker 6: gets arrested, they're taken into disappearing it and you know,
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  Speaker 6: come back however many months later.
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  Speaker 7: Or years later. So I think it's a positive thing.
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  Speaker 6: And I think it is about that information that informing
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  Speaker 6: and also the community being there.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 6: I think we do need to be reminded that there
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  Speaker 6: is crime going on in these remote communities.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, people, and.
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  Speaker 6: I keep reiterating out there, and I'm sure Steve will
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  Speaker 6: back me up. There's some really good people in our
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  Speaker 6: remote communities who are being impacted as well around crime,
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  Speaker 6: and they need to see as I said that justice made.
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  Speaker 1: It's no doubt though at the moment we've got a
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  Speaker 1: really serious issue with that some of that crime spilling
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  Speaker 1: into Darwin and actually going back the other way. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: twenty nine cars stolen this week alone. Nine of those
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  Speaker 1: yesterday we were told by Commander Dunny Bacon that they
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  Speaker 1: had then gone back into or they were trying to.
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  Speaker 5: Get them and said that the last time five cars
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  Speaker 5: were last scene or heading towards the west daily regum.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, which is why we're building. And I knew when
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  Speaker 6: I had this conversation during the week. We're building a
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  Speaker 6: new police station, a permanent police present at Peppinati just.
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  Speaker 1: On that has that funding also included staff to staff
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  Speaker 1: that that police station.
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  Speaker 6: Well, once we build the police station, that will be
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  Speaker 6: the next process around that. But you know, the Northern
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  Speaker 6: Territory No, no, let's just be clear. The Northern Territory
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  Speaker 6: government gives the building and that's ninety millions for the building.
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  Speaker 6: The police have a record budget. The police have a
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  Speaker 6: record budget. That's then up to the Acting Commission of
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  Speaker 6: Police to manage their stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Battle though in terms of recruiting police, I mean we've
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  Speaker 1: this week on the show about what they're doing in
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  Speaker 1: Queensland to try to actually entice police, to entice people
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  Speaker 1: to join the police force.
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  Speaker 4: It's phenomenal fifty twenty thousand to join the police force
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  Speaker 4: and then location one hundred and eighty four dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Been hextas if you've got, if you've got, depending on.
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  Speaker 4: What degree you've got, because it's competitive. It's super competitive
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  Speaker 4: that we've seen that.
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  Speaker 7: We've seen that in education.
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  Speaker 8: When you've got ninety seven percent of the police saying
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  Speaker 8: that they're not supported by the Northern Territory government. When
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  Speaker 8: you see twenty thousand dollars being offered in Queensland, plus
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  Speaker 8: your removeless costs are paid for, I'll tell you what,
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  Speaker 8: there'll be a lot of police looking at options of Queensland.
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  Speaker 8: We know that the government doesn't support the police.
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  Speaker 3: Here, nothing in this year to do that. So here
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  Speaker 3: we are.
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  Speaker 8: Talking about a police station at Peperinardi. We're talking about
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  Speaker 8: the new Sentencing Act. But it's been these recommendations for
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  Speaker 8: community court sentencing. We're recommended in the Children a Sacred
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  Speaker 8: Report back in two thousand and seven. So it's actually
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  Speaker 8: taken sixteen years for the Labor government to move this
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  Speaker 8: legislation forward. It's nothing new. The COLP was doing this
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  Speaker 8: back in nineteen ninety five.
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  Speaker 4: But it was I think I think also for pl
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  Speaker 4: listening and I have mixed views about the police station
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  Speaker 4: for Pittmanati, but people should understand that it might be
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  Speaker 4: just for that community of two hundred people, it's also
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  Speaker 4: for the region. Yeah, it's for the region. So you've
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  Speaker 4: got point, you've got plumper and backing up with the
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  Speaker 4: what I mean, we know that that's where a lot
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  Speaker 4: of trouble is. We know it. Like you just said,
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  Speaker 4: six or seven cars heading out there. We know cars
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  Speaker 4: have gone out there have been stolen, They've gone into
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  Speaker 4: the police compound, have been stolen from the police compound.
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  Speaker 4: So there's clearly a lot of weal.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's a bigger picture there though.
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  Speaker 8: Accuse you, because it wasn't that long ago that the
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  Speaker 8: staffing increase at what Air went to about fourteen, there
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  Speaker 8: was an increase in housing the police station.
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  Speaker 4: They bought half the town down.
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  Speaker 8: Situation, it's never been able to put the amount of
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  Speaker 8: staff in wa A that's needed to control that community.
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  Speaker 3: So what are they going to find where they're going
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  Speaker 3: to find.
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  Speaker 6: Twenty thousand but also well there's three million dollars per
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  Speaker 6: anum in the budget around police well being and some
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  Speaker 6: of the attrition around police. We know the complexities of
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  Speaker 6: being a police officer, so there is some really good
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  Speaker 6: dollars in there around supporting police and their families and
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  Speaker 6: hopefully that has an impact as well.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, we're going to take a very short break.
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  Speaker 1: If you've just joined us. It is Friday morning. It
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  Speaker 1: is the week that wasn't in the studio with us. Today,
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  Speaker 1: we've got the Treasurer Evil Aula. We've got Keesierpuric, the
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  Speaker 1: Independent member for Goider and Birthday Girl.
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  Speaker 2: We've got nine new star.
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  Speaker 1: Winscatlaygazola and Steve Edgington, the Member for Barkley. Now, as
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  Speaker 1: I said, there has been so much to cover off
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  Speaker 1: on this week, and we know that yesterday we saw
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of people gather outside of the Northern Territori's Parliament
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  Speaker 1: house to call for immediate action to address violent crime.
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  Speaker 1: Now the rally was held, of course, after Bangladeshi student
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  Speaker 1: Seafat had lost his life was killed following an alleged
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  Speaker 1: violent home invasion last week. And it is the third
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  Speaker 1: crime pro test that we've seen I've got to say, Kathleen,
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  Speaker 1: I watched your report from last night and seeing the
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  Speaker 1: emotion from some people, particularly as I understand you, I'd
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  Speaker 1: seen a voxpop from Sam Isles, who's known people will recognize,
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  Speaker 1: and he was really emotional and I actually thought he's
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  Speaker 1: a family.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Like it demonstrated how much of an impact just hard
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  Speaker 5: and just the impact on the town. And you been
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  Speaker 5: here a couple of decades, and I'm born and bred
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  Speaker 5: here myself. You know, people are really impacted by what's
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  Speaker 5: going on. And I mean, that was an incredible turnout
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  Speaker 5: for two pm in the middle of the day. I
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  Speaker 5: was past a lunch break. You know, that's an incredible
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  Speaker 5: turnout people had done.
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  Speaker 4: I reckon. I popped out to see what was happening
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  Speaker 4: and to meet people. And there was quite a few
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  Speaker 4: of my constituencies, with Sam's one of them. But I
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  Speaker 4: reckon there was about anything from five to seven hundred people,
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  Speaker 4: give or take. And there was a lot of people
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  Speaker 4: men and women who had high vis gear on, so
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  Speaker 4: you know, the trading kind of people or people on
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  Speaker 4: the tools whatever. But there was interesting also a lot
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  Speaker 4: of what.
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  Speaker 5: I said on face public servants.
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  Speaker 4: I called it subcontinent, which you know, people from India
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  Speaker 4: past and Bangladesh because you could just tell, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and they look students because they were that age and
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  Speaker 4: they sort of just had that look that they were students.
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  Speaker 4: So and there were some other ladies that I saw
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  Speaker 4: there who probably were from Bangladesh and not sure, but
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  Speaker 4: you know, they were dressed appropriately, you know, given that
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  Speaker 4: probably from Islamic background. But so there was a lot
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  Speaker 4: of those and I don't think those kind of people
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  Speaker 4: at the first or the second rally, particularly not the
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  Speaker 4: first rally. So with the young fellow being killed, you know,
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  Speaker 4: now it's spreading across all of the community.
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  Speaker 2: Not just boring on.
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  Speaker 5: I think it was a really good representation of the
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  Speaker 5: that Darwin has, I mean, with such a multicultural.
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  Speaker 8: As I think from my perspective looking at that crowd yesterday,
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  Speaker 8: in previous rallies that you know, I've been around the
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  Speaker 8: territory since eighty eight, a lot of years in policing,
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  Speaker 8: and I've never seen that before. And there's been what
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  Speaker 8: three rallies up here just in Darwin, but we've seen
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  Speaker 8: rallies in Alice Springs. There's been public meetings in Tenant
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  Speaker 8: Creek and there's been meetings in Catherine. What we're seeing
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  Speaker 8: at the moment is a massive escalation in crime right
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  Speaker 8: across the Northern territory. And the people themselves are the
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  Speaker 8: people rallying to get change. We're just not seeing change
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  Speaker 8: at the moment.
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  Speaker 4: To get change and or to send a very strong
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  Speaker 4: focus group message to government exactly, I mean, I'll go
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  Speaker 4: back Bammy one year, maybe two years on this show
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  Speaker 4: when things were starting to go a bit crook. I said,
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  Speaker 4: this is going to escalate and get so much worse.
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  Speaker 4: And it has. And I'm not saying I told you so,
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  Speaker 4: but it has because we've had two fellows.
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  Speaker 2: He'll sort of had in nearly sixty days.
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  Speaker 4: Lots people bend about the streets and I know we're
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  Speaker 4: not particularly special up here because knife crimes are happening
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  Speaker 4: all around the country sadly and pleaps if not the world.
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  Speaker 4: But we have to start to have a really good
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  Speaker 4: look at what is happening and trying to understand why,
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  Speaker 4: but also then to put measures in place. And it
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  Speaker 4: could be it could be legislative measures, it could be
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  Speaker 4: getting police more powers. It could be I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: funding particular groups to get young people or to help
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  Speaker 4: with the problems we've got because there is an influx
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  Speaker 4: and I've seen it myself, there is an influx of
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: people coming in from community. Well, those two names, just
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: those two names are those alleged people who did the
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: killing were Tivy Island names. They're family names, and that
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: concerns me. And then I've seen people around my air
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: around around the Holts and the Bunnings, and we do
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: chat to them. They're not from here, They're from out
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: bush coming in for a reason.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: Are we seeing a situation right now where we are
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: struggling with, you know, with people potentially coming in from
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: communities and not behaving in the way that any of
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: us expect, but in the way that you know that
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: actually respects Larakia culture and Larochia land.
• 16:35
  Speaker 7: I think definitely. Absolutely.
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: We've seen an urban drift over the last few years,
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: and you know, for what they've a reason. Some of them,
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: as we know, some people come into town, whether that's medical,
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: whether it's through courts, whether it's to come in to
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: go shopping, or it is to come in to go drinking.
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: So across the spectrum that we see more people in town.
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: So you know, we've set up Baton Road, which is
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: a facility out in there where there's very cheap accommodation.
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: So people can go there, they can stay the night,
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: they have a meal there as well have breakfast. So
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: we need to, I think, to continue to do more
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: of that. And so you saw that in the budget
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: there was visitor accommodation in Tenant Creek as well as
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: the money also for more visitor accommodation in Alice Springs.
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: So we do need to do that, we need to
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: react to that and we are doing that work as well.
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: You know, we're building a lot of houses in remote communities.
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: There also needs to be more accommodation options in Darwin.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: How luck for you, you know, as someone who's grown up
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: here and to see you know, I know that you
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: guys were in question time yesterday during that rally, But
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: to hear from the Bangladeshi community, to hear from Samara Lavity,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: the mum of Declan, and to see the emotion from
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of Territorians and the way that they're feeling
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: right now, log.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: How does that make you feel?
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Because I know that you are entrenched in the community,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: you are term Darwin and you are you are like
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: you're out in Palmerston where a lot of people are
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: affected by this.
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: What is it is?
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: It's heartbreaking. Nobody wants and you know, like you say,
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: I was born here. Nobody wants to see things you know,
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: that we thought wouldn't happen in the territory happening in
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: the territory. Natasha Philes and Naria Kid met with the
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: Bangladeshi community at twelve thirty yesterday.
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: They and there was I think about.
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: Half a dozen of them, I know, actually probably more
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: about a dozen that came up and met formally. And
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: I know the Chief Minister also met with Scott Bowman
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: yesterday as well, and Joel Bowden continues to met meet
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: with Declan's mum. So you know, we we do want
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: to hear directly from the people involved as well, you know.
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: And I was I'm at the Parmestan markets on a
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: Friday night and people come up and talk to me
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: about their you know, their experiences.
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: They're concerned. So yeah, it is.
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: Totally out but you know, this is it is concerning
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: and the government is absolutely working hard around that.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: But it is the.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Strange All I said to me on the show yesterday
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: that we are in a crime crisis. She said, we
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: are in a crime crisis, and we've got to get
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: our heads out of the sand. You know, like if
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: there is anything that the Northern Territory government needs that
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: she is more than prepared, you know, to ask to
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: take that to the federal government. I guess for me
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: this week what I have seen, and I've gradually seen
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: it over the last few weeks. And I know that
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: all of us in this room speak to a lot
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: of different Territorians every day, but I feel very fortunate
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: that I speak to a hugely diverse number of Territorians
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: every single day. And I think that the mood is
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: shifting and it's going from being really sad to starting
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: to get quite angry. And I'm actually really worried that
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: we are going to see acts of vigilante, isn't Yeah,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: And I do not want that to happen, you know.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: And we heard that from Samara Lavity on the show yesterday.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: She said, Katie, you can't fight fire with fire. We
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: have to stick together. We've got to try and work
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: through this as a community. But people are really sad.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: People are really upset, and they rightly or wrongly, either
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: they feel like the government's not doing enough.
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, absolutely we understand that, and we'll
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: continue to do more and more around those things. But
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: you know, it is a difficult space to be in.
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: The perpetrator is the person that has done wrong here,
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: you know, that's a fact. And the complexities of people
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: coming into town. You know there's a court process that
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: needs to go through for both of those.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: But do we need to do more?
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, even yesterday when you've got nine cars stolen,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: you know, let's look at.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: How it's been over the part of the week. Twenty
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: nine vehicles reported stolen in the past week. How many
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: haven't been reported? Nineteen youths out of twenty two people arrested.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: That out of twenty two people over that week, nineteen
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: of them were youths.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: It's a lot.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: That's one week.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I can't tell you the number of people. And
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that everybody in this room has heard the same.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: We're really wonderful families saying, you know, O Katie, we're leaving.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: You know, we're packing up our bags and we're leaving.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: And it actually makes me feel really quite sad to
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: be O Katie.
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: I'll tell you what we're seeing across the Northern Territory
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: here in Dahen, the deaths, the stabbings, the amount of
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: vehicles being knocked off. When you look at the statistics
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: over a longer period of time, and I know we
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: talk about statistics over a week, over a month, over
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: a year, but you know, I monitor them over six
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: seven years. And you know, just looking at Palmeston, robbery
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: and related to the fences up three hundred and ninety
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: two percent just over the last six years. So that's
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: a massive number that we're talking about. In dahu And alone,
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: robbery and related to the fences two hundred and seventy
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: two percent. But even in Tenant Creek house breakings are
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: up three hundred and fifty percent just in the last
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: six years. And one of the things that I'm constantly
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: one of the things I've constantly asked the government what
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: is the plan to tackle crime?
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: We don't even have a plan to tackle crime in
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: the Northern territy. This is one of the most worrying
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: things coming from my background, is that there's no over oral.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Crime reduction plan for the Northern Territory.
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: There's a lot of piecemeal policies and the government will
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: tell the government will tell you they're doing all these
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: bits and pieces, but there's no overall.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: What do you reckon they need to do?
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: You know, based on your background, what do you reckon
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: they need to Firstly, we need to.
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: Get a plan together. We need to understand what the
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: issues are. We need to understand what the underlying are
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: the scope, but there needs to be a collaborative approach.
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: We know that there's not enough police. Police can't do
• 22:25
  Speaker 8: this alone. There's a role for every government department, there's
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: a role for every non government agency. Without a plan
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: pointing out what everybody should be doing to tackle these issues,
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: we're really got a piecemeal approach to these matters. We
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: need to improve the laws. We've spoken about bail laws.
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: We've spoken about the revolving door of bail. We've spoken
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: about mandatory sentencing. We've spoken about early intervention and prevention.
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: There's a whole range of things that can be tackled
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: from both ends. Early intervention and prevention, a longer term
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: approach to crime, but there needs to be immediate, short medium,
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: a longer term approach.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: To sun Right now, the issue is that it's not
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: happening at the moment.
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: But this is what you do, Steve. You're just talking
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: these broad motherhoods.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Plan and plan to tackle crime.
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: Things are going to get a lot worse and worse
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: and worse because this government has no plan and genuinely
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: no idea.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: When yesterday while that rally was happening outside of Parliament,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I was I think the thing that made me feel
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: quite disheartened or most disheartened was to hear you know,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the Chief Minister then, and I get it's the theatrics
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: of Parliament, but to be saying, you know, stop talking
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the territory down.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: That's a cliche. And you know, I don't think you
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: said it. I know I call you saying it in parliament,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: but it really has to stop saying. It's just bullshit.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: No one is talking the territory down. I mean, we're
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: the best place in the country apart from what's happening
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: with our crime at the moment, and you know, we
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: have got a lot of potential in whole heap of
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: ways and areas. To just stop the rhetoric because that's
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: what is pulling the government down, is this bullshit that
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: they keep coming out and it's clich and we're working hard, well,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: we know you're working hard, everyone's working everybody. There is
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: an issue.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: That's the other thing I've always said, it's dividing the community.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: And that's what I find. That's what I think's upsetting
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: is you like, people are really upset. They're really upset
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: with what's going on on. Myself, I'm struggling not to
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: feel emotional about the way that things.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Are in that week that Darlin Chin shop for that
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: day that the glass got broken, which is one inch stick.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: That's what it's so expensive, puddling a post office broken
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: into and all the passes ripped out and chucked all
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: over the street. Cafe Blissimo, Tony's Pace broken into Birds
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: of Paradise broken into all in one night, Humpty do
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Tavern ram rated. We've had the noon my pub ran.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: We've had berry Springs round rated a couple of times.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: It is coming out into the rule air, and we
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: thought we were a little bit immune because of the space.
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: Every week, I'll we're able to respond to COVID as
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: an emergengency. That's here we are with a crime emergency,
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: but we haven't we haven't put resources in place to
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: deal with it as an emerg.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: The government before I've said it before, and I had
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the discussion with the Chief Minister earlier in the week
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and people were really again really quite disheartened after hearing
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: from the Chief Minister through the week that even though
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: we'd had a situation where an international student was allegedly
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: murdered inside his home, that there doesn't seem to be
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: that sense of urgency from the Northern Territory government. Even
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: what hope can you give people listening this morning myself
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: included that things are going to start to turn around
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: and that this is going to be a safe place
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: for us to raise our kids. I know, like I
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: know that you care about that.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: Oh, absolutely, Katie, But you know, these issues are long term.
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: We didn't get to this point just overnight.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: No, no doubt, there's no doubt.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: But there needs to be a stop gap and that's
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: that urgency that people want to hear and belief.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: So it is it is the various agencies that continue
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: to do the work that they need to do. So
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: it is police and police are doing what you know,
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: are doing an amazing job. You know you're talking about
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: stolen vehicles, well, absolutely working hard to address those issues.
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: But then it is this really heavy lifting work of
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: territory families around that, and you know, we see the
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: youth justice facilities are full, you know, so there is
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: a lot of work around that.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: But there are reasons they're full and people are breaking that.
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: So it then gets back to those things that we're
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: talking about in the remote meantime. I'm sure there's things
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: to do for Younge.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: In the meantime.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: We had just a little bit earlier this morning on
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the ABC. I want to point this out. They did
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: have a man on the ABC, Kathleen, I can't I
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: don't know if you.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: Recall from B two M.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so from the band here. They were referring to
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: him as Yellow. I'm not sure what his full name is.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: He had similar words to what I've heard on this
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: show before from from Helen's secretary, and that is that
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: if we've got people here from communities that are doing
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: the right thing, you know, how can we contact the
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: land council to make sure that they are then going
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: back to their communities and that they're not engaging in
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: bad behavior. Now I don't know exactly where people are
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: coming in from, but if they're coming here onto Larachie
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Land and they're not respecting to Larachie land.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Well, why are they allowed to continue to do it?
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so there is so Laroche nation and they do
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: have government funding to actually return people to country, and
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: that happens all the time. So Larakiir have a very
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: strong presence in that place. You see the Larachie vans
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: traveling around, you see them. I see them at Palmeson,
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: particularly on a Friday night, picking up people, taking them
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: to dry out or whatever needs to happen, and then
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: returning those people to country. So absolutely, but sometimes I
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: think those people aren't always welcoming their own communities either.
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: They've caused trouble in their own communities and sometimes have.
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: Been Yeah, they've moved them out really, so it is
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: a difficult way.
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: There's been plenty of things that have worked over the years.
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: And as I went back to nineteen ninety five, there
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: was law and justice strategies in place, there was law
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: and justice committees in place in communities. In two thousand
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: and five the Labor government scrapped it. Here we are
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: eighteen years later trying to resurrect a community, community justice groups,
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: community court sentencing. All of this is sixteen years behind.
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: So over the last sixteen years, nothing has been done.
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: But on top of that, the Labor government scrapped every
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: community government council back in two.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Thousand and eight.
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: So what we have at the moment is no structure
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: in many of the remote communities. So without a law
• 28:33
  Speaker 8: and Justice committee, without a community government council, the lack
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: of structure in those communities because some of the things
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: that those law and justice committees can do is set
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: up community protocols. So there's no reason why they can't
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: be protocols between Larikir.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Breaking those protocols the exactly.
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: And some of the language groups right across the Northern Territory.
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: We had these in place in the Berkley back in
• 28:55
  Speaker 8: the nineties.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: So here we are.
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: There's plenty of things that have worked over the years.
• 28:59
  Speaker 8: What we've seen as a gradual erosion of these things
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: that have worked by the Labor government. Now we're behind
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: trying to play catch up.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: I think some providing of time frames, like you know,
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: I think everyone agrees that a different approach is good
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: if there's going to be generational change and it helps
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: the community and you know, first nations people and most vulnerable.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Get on the top. We've been hearing that for.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: Years exactly, So like when are we going to when
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: is it? I mean obviously government doesn't want to be
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: wedded to an exact date, of course, because then if
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: they miss it, then they get criticized. But some kind
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: of time frames. I mean, even the bail review, we
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: still have no clue as to when that's meant to
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: be finished. And that's just you know, told that it
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: will continue on as long.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: As it needs to.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: But we're obviously seeing major issues and people need that Repriever.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: How long do these things out?
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to have to take a
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: bit of a bride, got it if we're going to
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: get those answers today.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: To cape Warden some of those about it again earlier
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: in the way, and.
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: We're facing an emergency. How long these reviews? Well, it's
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: an emergency. Reviews can't go on forever.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, we are going to take a bit of
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: a break. You are listening to Mix one oh four
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: nine's three p.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Sixty.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: It is the week that was if you've just joined us,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: see it is the week that was in the studio
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Evil Ala Keesi Epuric, Kathleen Gazola and Steve Edgington. Now
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: we know that the budget was indeed handed down evil Ala,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: the Treasurer's first budget in the role, and the federal
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: budget was also handed down this week as well by
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers and well. The Northern Territory is set to
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: see some massive spends on roads and housing and a
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: significant increase in funding to the overwhelmed prison sector. The
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: budget sees a record two point one point one billion
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: dollars spend on infrastructure this fiscal year from one point
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: seventy nine.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: There is no doubt, plenty of.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Spending on infrastructure and and you know needed no doubt
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: about it, but we are.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: In some pretty big debt as well, aren't we.
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you, Katie.
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: As I said, it was a great week, especially for
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: people who like budgets a double whammy, but it was
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: very much a budget that balanced that economic and socials
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: and that's one of the difficult things in the territory.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: You can't have one without the other, or overdo one
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: or the other. So there was a strong, really strong
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: spend around infrastructure, and a lot of that is around
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: setting things up for industry for the future, making sure,
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: but also roads for locals as well. So a really
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: strong infrastructure spend but balanced with a spend on that
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: social side. So we saw twenty million for domestic violence,
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: which we're talking about crime. The police will tell you that,
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: you know, twenty thirty sometimes forty callouts in a night,
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: and the jails are eighty percent of people in our
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: jails are there because of domestic violence. So a large
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: substantial amount of money that's gone into domestic violence, so
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: you can address some of those issues earlier on. So,
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: as I said, I think it was found a nice balance.
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: We are having an operating surplus in next year, but
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: also a fiscal surplus in twenty twenty five twenty six
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: of about sixty seven million dollars. So yes, you know,
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: when you get to a surplus, that's when you can
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: pay down debt, and we saw that with the federal
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: budget and nice surprise with the federal budget having a
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: really considerable surplus and being able to pay down some
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: of the trillion dollar debt that the Feds have got.
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: So I think it was a sensible budget, a budget
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: that really earmarked our spends, particularly around infrastructure and areas
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: of need, so as you said, modular facilities in Alice
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: Springs to make sure we can address the prison numbers
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: there also facilities another ward in RDH to look at
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: that surge, so a good overall budget.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Karen Early from the United Workers' Union, she'd asked, is
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: it are those modular things for the for the prisons?
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Are they just a fancy word for donners? Well the.
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: Well, the different people have been looking in New South Wales,
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: so New South Wales have a similar New South Wales
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: has a similar setup, and so they've been looking at
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: what they've done into states.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, I said it to you on Wednesday.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: I think it was that I don't think a lot
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: of people will be I mean, I know some people
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: will be unhappy that we're doing more to sort of
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: build the prison. So I know Jerry would have messaged
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: me a bit earlier and said, you know, Katie, are
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: they doing anything in terms of making sure that with
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: the corrections, with that correction's money, is any of it
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: going to new work camps or to get people out
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: of the big prison to work near local communities.
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: As I said, I think that the budget was this
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: budget was all about making sure that we've got enough
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: corrections or correctional offices as well as, as I said,
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: upgrading those facilities first and foremost.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Katie, I haven't gone through this. I've been through some
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: of them, not all of it. But one of the
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: iss we're linking back to the crime is in the
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: health area.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: I don't know where the health received a substantial budget,
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: but they probably need to because I've just been getting
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: some information from someone like prevention, like we talk about
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: school based constables, and I might even just have to
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: write to mister Murphy myself rather than the Minutes, to say,
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: please consider the school based constables prevention. But the other
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: thing is my niece works in ot sh operational therapists
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: for children, and she's just told me there's a two
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: and a half year wait list to see an ear
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: nose throat doctor in the public sector. Now, a lot
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: of the people in remote communities need you know, they
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: get infections, which causes hearing issues, which causes schools, which
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: called behavior. And so what you were saying before, I think, Steve,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: about more collaborative departments. There needs to be a real
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: collaborative approach between the let's call them a specialist kind
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: of health. Things like when my niece set up here
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: about our six months ago, she's already in a dated
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: with public kind of clients and Indez one woman was
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: waiting two years to see that's where government needs to
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: spend money in more. I know it's sad that we
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: have to spend money because we've got sick community, but
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: that's where the smart thinking comes from.
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: Well, these are the interesting things coming out of the budget.
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: I think Eva described delivering the budget as the best
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: day of her life. But there was very little in there,
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: very little there to tackle crime.
• 35:08
  Speaker 9: But at the same time, but at the same time
• 35:11
  Speaker 9: as announcing the budget, we saw an increase in power
• 35:14
  Speaker 9: bills across the board.
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: So you know, there's enough cost pressures on families at
• 35:18
  Speaker 8: the moment. But getting back to some of those issues
• 35:20
  Speaker 8: and the budget, you know, I think it was April
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: last year Labor promised thirty renal units for communities leading
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: up to the federal election, five hundred Aboriginal health workers.
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: I've seen nothing in the budget when it comes to
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: talking about renal units and communities.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: And we talk about the movement between a couple of
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: weeks ago.
• 35:38
  Speaker 8: And we talk about the movement of people in communities,
• 35:41
  Speaker 8: a lack of structure in communities. Many families have to
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: move between communities to the larger centers just to access
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: renal dialysis. There's clearly not enough in the communities.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: But when we look at.
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: The budget overall, I picked up the regional report, you know,
• 35:56
  Speaker 8: coming from the Berkley and it was just about a
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: duplicate of last year. There's been so much carryover of money.
• 36:02
  Speaker 8: The people of Tenant Creek have been waiting years and
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: years and years for projects to be delivered. Purpose reserve
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: upgrade was promised five years ago, an upgrade of the
• 36:10
  Speaker 8: main street promise five years ago.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: When it comes to.
• 36:12
  Speaker 8: Alcohol rehabilitation, July the fourth, twenty eighteen, nearly five years ago,
• 36:18
  Speaker 8: the government promised to build a new rehabilitation facility in
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: Tenet Creek, but not one shovel has hit the ground.
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: In boro Lula, there's a shortage of housing. There's been
• 36:27
  Speaker 8: money carried over, there's been money budget. There's been money
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: in the budget carried over now for the last three
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: to four years to build to construct thirty five lots
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: in Borolula, a shovel still hasn't.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Hit the ground.
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: When we talk about Nick and Ninu, the Arts trail,
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: for example, twenty sixteen, there was ten million dollars promised,
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: not one shovel a.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Stop promising, get movies well.
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: Stop promising, stop carrying over these projects because always seeing
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: as many promises but not much getting delivered.
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: Absolutely not correct at all, Steve.
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: There, it is correct that last chance, because I was
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: intending Creek about two weeks ago, drove through without no
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: I was in ten and Creek and had a good,
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: good visit with the schools there.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Did you hit those poles?
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: One point seven?
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: It was one point seven nine billion dollar infrastructure budget
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: last in the twenty two to twenty three year and
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: we're going to spend one hundred million more than that.
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: But of course there are projects.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: There are always projects that have started the design work
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: and then moved through. But also sometimes there's complexity Stephen.
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: You know that as good as I do around making
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: sure you consult with community around projects, that you have
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: to deal with land councils around those projects as well.
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: So there are some complexities around projects in the Northern Territory,
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: particularly in our remote Look at tourism.
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: You know, here we have the government throwing all of
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: this money into marketing the territory without dealing with the
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: crime issues, and the Northern Territory without dealing with the
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: important infrastructure issues to attract tourists to the Northern Territory.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: It's about roads.
• 37:59
  Speaker 8: You know, when you come into the Northern Territory, you're
• 38:01
  Speaker 8: getting faced with potholes in the road.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Possible damage to your ear, these sorts of things.
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: And when you look at places in Chennet Creek, you've
• 38:10
  Speaker 8: got the government promoting things like Battery Hill Mining Center
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: in Chennick Creek, but the underground tours closed. You can't
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: tour the gold stamp battery because it's all closed.
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: The pothole issue.
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: So we have had a very wet wet We've had
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: cyclone Elly, We've had three months ago. Lots of things
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: around that and we've had to have and there is
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: a plan, Steve, a plan.
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: You like a plan.
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: There is a plan and some of the priorities around
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: opening up some of the roads that were completely roads
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: to pigeonhole places like that have had to be done.
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: It's in around the high speed areas has been a focus.
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: And Steve, you know that I drove the road from
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: Alice Wings to Tenant Creek. You can see the road
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: works that are happening there upgrading those areas that were
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: flooded between Alison Tenant Creek.
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: When you can't fix the next thing wiped out and
• 38:58
  Speaker 8: you still can't get.
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: It well, So that's I.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: Know how, I know how you fix the pothole in
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: the main street draw Rude things that have sill get
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: fixed from time.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Happened to just residents.
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: It's the transport industry that are calling me and complaining
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: about the Berkley holl That's how bad it is.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: We are going to have to take a very short break.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: We are going to have to take a very short break.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: It is the week that was.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: There has been a lot to cover off this week,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I guess in what's been some interesting news is there
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: has been some rumblings well again about the CLP leadership.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: And the interesting part is that it never seems to
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: be amongst the parliamentary wing, but more so the rank
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: and file. So a no confidence motion apparently in the
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: country Liberal parties Leofanokio is going to be tabled at
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: the upcoming members meetings. So it was submitted as I
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: understand it, by the party's Litchfield branch Keysier. I can
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: see you are busting to say something I.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: Know that the to go behind this motion. Look, I've spoken
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: about this before. If it's not someone within the branch,
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: it's some mischief maker within the Labor Party and vice versa.
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: Looking at it, even we've got enough to do the stuff, enough.
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: Mischief making in their own page.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Even looks genuinely like she wants nothing to do with it.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: She wants nothing to do with leadership. She's just going
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: to be the treasurer. I'm very happy to be and
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: dipple that's important.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Kay.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Look this pops up. It's like a bloody bad penny,
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: you know, like it's if it's not. I mean when
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago, I heard stories, Oh you know,
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Natasha's in trouble. You know, when you when Nicole came
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: out and contradicted her about the HOWD Springs damage and
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: things like that, And it's the same. Look, you can't
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: please all of the people all of the time. And
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: that particular branch, well, I know the people in that branch,
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: and it's probably best that I don't say anything about
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: them on air.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because so good plan into legal trouble.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: And don't get me into legal trouble. But you know,
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: I just think It's just one of those things.
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: The media likes it, you.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: Know, because it conflict and conflict cell stories. Let's be honest.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: You know, you look at any media story that's got conflict,
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: it sells. But what about you, Steve, you should maybe
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: put your head in the ring.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Is the one that gets deposition when your shadow portfolio.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: I've got quite a few attorney generally.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: Like mister t. Bill and I were having a little
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: chat about Rhodes actually yesterday and when I went and
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: sat down, one of my colleagues said, oh, you're having
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: a Kiffer meeting?
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: Are you kiffers when all the treasurers get together in Australia?
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: So it was.
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: And after back having a treasurer's meeting, so it was yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Well Step in all seriousness, though, your name is the
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: one that gets thrown up when there is any leadership
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: speculation that you know that it's that it's you who's.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Ready to jump in there and take over for Leah.
• 41:49
  Speaker 8: Well, it's interesting because it's labor that keeps throwing my
• 41:51
  Speaker 8: name up. And if you're in Parliament yesterday, I'll tell
• 41:55
  Speaker 8: you what. Selena Yebo went right through my resume. She
• 41:58
  Speaker 8: put it on the parliamentary record. She told everybody listening
• 42:01
  Speaker 8: out there last night apparently apparently how good the Member
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: for Barclay is.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: She rattled off every qualification I've got. The only thing,
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: the only thing she did. The only thing she.
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: Didn't say was where I've worked over the years. I
• 42:15
  Speaker 8: think she said, I've got to the diverse experience background.
• 42:18
  Speaker 8: But I'll tell you what, the Labor Party was pretty
• 42:20
  Speaker 8: impressed with my background.
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: So thanks for that to do the numbers for you
• 42:27
  Speaker 9: for getting back to you know, the Labor Party was
• 42:30
  Speaker 9: showing this motion in Parliament the other day.
• 42:33
  Speaker 8: And you know from our perspective, I suppose from the members,
• 42:37
  Speaker 8: from the elected members perspective for where he is just
• 42:40
  Speaker 8: getting on with the job. You know, where a united
• 42:42
  Speaker 8: team there's a strong seven seven members and we're out
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: and about, not only here in Darwin but out.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Now's doing the job.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: When you've sort of got rank and file members that
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: are having a crack then about you know about stuff
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: like that, or having a crack at at the leadership.
• 42:58
  Speaker 8: Well, you know, as Keys you said, there's things that
• 43:00
  Speaker 8: happen in parties. There's a whole range of things. You're
• 43:03
  Speaker 8: never going to be able to please everybody around what's
• 43:05
  Speaker 8: going on in any political party, And clearly this branch
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: is having their say that'll be coming up what in June?
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: I think the next.
• 43:13
  Speaker 8: Central Council is so it's quite some time off. But look,
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: as elected members, we're out there.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Doing the job.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: Charlesi who said disunity is death in politics, isn't it,
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: and I mean yeah, came out the other day saying yes,
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: it is disappointing.
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: The underlying issue is obviously the voice, and so this
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: is the issue they have got not with this thing.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: It's not that.
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: Disunity between what just Enterprice is saying and her position
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: and then obviously the parliamentary wing. So that's what's underlying that,
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: and that's in that motion. And I think what's your
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: position on the voice?
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: Well, we've made our position very clear for many, many months.
• 43:51
  Speaker 8: What we want to see is the Labor Party, rather
• 43:54
  Speaker 8: than talking about the voice, come out and tell.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: People what the voice is actually about.
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: But you know what your position about the voice.
• 44:01
  Speaker 8: Not one person from the federalstration, not one person from
• 44:04
  Speaker 8: the federal government, has set foot in the Barklay to
• 44:07
  Speaker 8: tell any of the constituents what the voice.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Is all about.
• 44:09
  Speaker 8: So here you have here you have a political party
• 44:12
  Speaker 8: out saying, oh, you've got to vote for this. So
• 44:14
  Speaker 8: the thing is they won't tell people in my regions
• 44:17
  Speaker 8: what you're actually voting for.
• 44:19
  Speaker 10: But it's also and if you're going to things going
• 44:22
  Speaker 10: to be though, is you know, the vote for the
• 44:24
  Speaker 10: Voice is going to be towards the end of this
• 44:26
  Speaker 10: year October this year, then the next Northern Territory elections
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: not till August next year.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: So I don't think that it's going to be the
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: issue that the Northern Territory Labor Party is potentially hoping
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: that it's going to be, you know.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: At the election next year, hoping at all. Well, so
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: in terms of their distunity, we.
• 44:43
  Speaker 8: Can't just say, though, Katie, not one person. I think
• 44:46
  Speaker 8: probably about two or three months ago, one person approached
• 44:48
  Speaker 8: me and wanted to talk about the Voice. But in
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: the last two months, not one person in my electorate
• 44:54
  Speaker 8: has even raised the issue or the voice because nobody
• 44:57
  Speaker 8: knows about it. The Labor Party, who are out there saying, look,
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: you've got to vote yes, You've got to vote yes,
• 45:02
  Speaker 8: won't talk to the people.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: They won't even tell them.
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: The people living in communities, they don't have the same
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: access to the media.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: They don't have people out there.
• 45:10
  Speaker 8: Talking about the three G let alone four G exactly.
• 45:13
  Speaker 8: So the issue that Labour keeps throwing up. All I
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: want is to see that my constituents are not only
• 45:20
  Speaker 8: spoken about it, but they can make an informed decision
• 45:22
  Speaker 8: when this referendum does come up.
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: There are people doing that work.
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: Now, there aren't people out there. There's nobody out there
• 45:28
  Speaker 8: at the moment. To Katie, I can assure you there's
• 45:30
  Speaker 8: nobody in my region. My electorates the biggest in the
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: Northern territory, four hundred and forty three thousand square kilometers,
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: and not one labor person has been out there to
• 45:39
  Speaker 8: talk about the thing.
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: Only the Prime Minister spends a couple hours on the
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: ground when it comes to the non territory.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it needs to be a bit more. I
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: think at the moment.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: That's just so he can put on his resume where
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: have you been.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Well, and then you can't get a beer because there's
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: restricted aims seriousness.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: So I do think that territorianes are you know, they
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: are at a point where they do want to see
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: the Prime Minister back in the territory for a little
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: bit more time. Time so that he can actually see
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: some of the issues that we are dealing with. Why
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: do we need him, I think because he's the leader
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: of Australia.
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: Chief Actually, why can't the Chief Minister get on with
• 46:11
  Speaker 8: it and put a plan together to make it a better.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Safer place government.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: They were elected, they got into government, they had the
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: most on the winning team. They should sort out the
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: issues marriage scrimgall Malandaria McCarthy and Luke Gosling. Our federal members.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: If people listening out there have issues with anything, whether
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: it be the federal issue, even a local issue, go
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: and see your federal members and then go and see
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: your local issue.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: I have.
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: Is the Prime Minister keep having to tell Natasha files job.
• 46:42
  Speaker 8: That's not and this is very clear with THEWS. The
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: Prime Minister had to tell the Labor government here how
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: to do their job. Well, that's absolutely appalling when we've
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: got an incompetent government.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: The biggest issue I've got right now is I'm going
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: to play the National.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: News just so we are going to have to wrap
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  Speaker 2: it up.
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  Speaker 1: Steve Edgington from Tennant Creek, the Member for Barkley, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for your time this morning.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you and great to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola from nine Newstar, and thank you for your
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  Speaker 1: time this morning and the birthday girl, Caisie.
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  Speaker 4: If you're a champagne breakfast, thank god you didn't have
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  Speaker 4: a pot on.
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  Speaker 6: You for the Italian Festival too. My heritage is Italian,
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  Speaker 6: so you'll be down there. We're having the pastor and pizza.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, wonderful stuff. I agree with you. Thank you all
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  Speaker 1: so very much for your time this morning. You are
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  Speaker 1: listening to Mix one O four nine three sixty