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Crash, Lies, and Bodycams: A Police Cover-Up PLUS Book Fest & Columbus' Biggest Facebook Group · Between the Headlines: Columbus

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  Speaker 1: From the opinion page of the Commercial Dispatch.
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  Speaker 1: This is Between the Headlines.
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  Speaker 3: This is Peter Imes, publisher of the Dispatch.
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  Speaker 3: One of our hosts of Between the Headlines is the managing editor of our newsroom.
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  Speaker 3: Typically we try to keep news and opinions separate, but reporters have a unique insight into the workings of local government and their analysis can be helpful for readers and listeners.
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  Speaker 3: The dispatch remains committed to journalistic integrity and our reporting will always reflect that.
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  Speaker 3: And now between the headlines.
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  Speaker 4: A cover-up within the Columbus Police Department.
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  Speaker 4: We have late-breaking news here in Catfish Alley Studio 78 miles per hour on College Street that is how fast the officer was traveling when he hit a victim who was apparently parked behind a stop sign.
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  Speaker 4: You are listening to Between the Headlines with Mr Zach Player, who's the managing editor of the Commercial Dispatch Also a guy with really great genes when he actually chooses to wear them.
• 2:42
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  Speaker 4: And my name is David Chisholm.
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  Speaker 4: So we've got a big story here that's about to bust wide open and it is it's developing, so we're going to navigate this as carefully as we can.
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  Speaker 4: In this setting, officer Jeremy Harris of the Columbus Police Department was driving east on College Street at 78 miles per hour.
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: Officer elsewhere had requested assistance from other officers.
• 3:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, backup.
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  Speaker 4: And there were two cruisers headed that direction Right and the cruiser driven by Officer Harris, going at such a rate of speed, veers off the road and T-Bones civilian, deveon, bankhead yes, and injures him pretty badly, pretty badly and had to be airlifted to Jackson for a brain bleed.
• 3:37
  Speaker 4: Well, okay.
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: So here's our understanding of what happened and let me first tell you how we got the understanding.
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: Dispatch submitted a public records request to the sheriff's office, which is investigating this wreck.
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: We got body camera footage, we got the report of the crash and the narratives associated with the investigation and a couple of things here associated with the investigation and a couple of things here.
• 4:05
  Speaker 1: When the wreck happened, the public was told, you know, by the police department, the sheriff's office was told by the officer who collided with the civilian vehicle.
• 4:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, officer Harris, officer Harris and one other and then one other officer corroborated it that they were in response lights and sirens going.
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: And that Bankhead actually pulled out from 22nd Street into the road and got in the way.
• 4:37
  Speaker 4: So the original story is that Bankhead was at the stop sign and then proceeded forward, proceeded forward, got in the way, got hit.
• 4:47
  Speaker 1: But but let's talk about what the report says and what the body camera footage shows.
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: Harris was going 78 miles an hour.
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: Dude.
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: He launches airborne when he hits the railroad tracks.
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: He's not wearing a seat belt.
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: You can see he's got his left hand just one hand on the bottom of the steering wheel as he's driving down the road 78 miles an hour, launches, goes airborne when he hits the railroad tracks, loses control of the vehicle.
• 5:19
  Speaker 1: Now, that's what you can see on the video and what we know from the sheriff's office investigation is that when he lost control of the vehicle he hits Bankhead with his family in the car.
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: There's a wife and kids in that car.
• 5:35
  Speaker 1: Dear Lord Hits him while he stopped at the stop sign.
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: There's no evidence in this report.
• 5:40
  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, the report concluded he was stopped at that stop sign and had not pulled out.
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: The sheriff has said on the record that the officer statement that was corroborated by another city police officer that those statements did not line up with the evidence that the investigation revealed.
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: After the accident, city police released a statement.
• 6:06
  Speaker 1: You know, no life-threatening injuries to the officer, no life-threatening injuries to the civilian.
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: They're both hospitalized with non-life-threatening injuries.
• 6:14
  Speaker 1: Come to find out that wasn't true either.
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: A couple of days later the family's on Facebook going he's in pretty serious condition in Jackson.
• 6:25
  Speaker 4: There was a helicopter involved.
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: Well, he was flown out from Baptist, from Baptist To UMMC and had a brain bleed.
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: They didn't revise that statement.
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: They didn't come back when we called them.
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: And when other media called them, they said well, when we said it was non-life threatening, that's what we knew at the time.
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: And information changed after we made that statement.
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: Well, they didn't revise the statement.
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: They waited on other people to call and dig into it before they said oh well, yeah, I guess he does have a brain bleed.
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: And now we're finding out not only that, but now we're finding out that not one officer, but two officers lied to investigators when they were doing the initial crash investigation and the narrative now is no, bankhead didn't pull out in front of them.
• 7:18
  Speaker 4: Before I dig any further into this, is everybody okay?
• 7:22
  Speaker 1: Bankhead has been released from the hospital.
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: I think the officer was treated and released pretty quickly.
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: He did have non-life-threatening injuries, from what I understand, but Bankhead is out of the hospital and he's lawyered up.
• 7:34
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, imaginably.
• 7:37
  Speaker 4: So.
• 7:38
  Speaker 4: Now Officer Harris and the other guy, are they on administrative leave or anything?
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: At the moment.
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: I think that what we were told in the beginning was that the officer that was injured is recovering from his injuries and there would be no impact on his employment while the investigation was ongoing.
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: The investigation is now concluded, so that information may change as the truth starts to come out.
• 8:07
  Speaker 4: Now, what makes this story even more stinky is Mr Bankhead was charged, right.
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: So yeah, Mr Bankhead, or ticketed, yeah he was ticketed, he received a citation for no insurance and no driver's license while he was in the hospital.
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: He did not receive a citation for causing the wreck in any way, but he did receive citations for no driver's license and no insurance.
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: To me, the stinkier part still is that there was a urine test for toxicology ordered originally for both Bankhead and the officer.
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: Well, bankhead had to take his test, which came back clean.
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: Cpd canceled the urine test at the ER for Harris, said they'd handle it internally and there's no evidence in the investigation.
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: Sheriff's office has nothing indicating that that was ever actually done.
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, officer harris has a dui from 2024 on his rap sheet oh, boy, okay, and that's not to say that he was.
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not.
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not implying that he was drunk at the time that this happened.
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that it seems like it would be standard procedure for your insurance or for the department policy or the city would expect.
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, officer involved in a wreck?
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to need to get that urine test just for due diligence.
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: Cpd canceled it for.
• 9:41
  Speaker 4: Harris, and that's the glaring question why we don't know, we don't know.
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I think I know and I'm going to go out on a limb here.
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: First of all, obviously, harris and the officer that corroborated the lie.
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: In this situation they need to be gone.
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: I challenged the city council Tuesday night to relieve them of their employment with the city of Columbus.
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: That's egregious because you say, oh well, you know he was responding and it was, you know, it was in the line of duty and all of this stuff.
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: This man launched over a railroad track.
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: It was bring it down.
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: He launched over a railroad track not wearing a seatbelt something that he could ticket me and you for loses control of the vehicle, hits a stopped car that wasn't in his way in the roadway, could have killed the guy, and then he chooses self-preservation.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: He chooses to lie about harming a civilian for self-preservation, and then another officer driving behind him corroborates the lie.
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: Then another officer driving behind him corroborates the lie.
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about police, a police officer or two police officers that are willing to do that, who are willing to choose themselves or their colleague over the civilian that they're being paid by the taxpayers to serve.
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: And another thing that it says is that you've got one doing it.
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: That's an outlier, fine, you've got two police officers who have the hubris and the confidence that they can lie to an investigator about nearly killing someone.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: But there's a belief and a confidence that they're going to get away with that, that they can't.
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: There's an entitlement that they can do that because of the badge and the gun, potentially and there's a belief that they're going to get away with it.
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: That's systemic and that's cultural, and that culture of a police department where two officers just casually lie to an investigator about harming someone, then they tell an untruth about the situation, they don't wait to know the truth about the situation or condition of the victim that they created, then they blame the victim for creating the collision.
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: They think they're going to get away with it.
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: That's coming from somewhere, man, and I'm not pointing fingers, I'm not saying that it's Daughtry or it's this person or it's this person, but somebody more than just these two officers need to be answering for this and the city council needs to make them answer the question.
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: Because here's the deal they're having a national night out next Tuesday and they're having national night out.
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: That's the whole deal where they they go out and they have water balloon fights with kids in the neighborhoods, at Simscott Park or wherever, and it's the police going out there and showing in good faith that they want to build rapport with the public.
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: Well, you know when your police officer will slam their car into somebody and then lie to protect themselves.
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: National Light Out is a gaslight and that's what it is.
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: So miss me with your water balloon.
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: Fight until you get your department under control and your people tell the truth to investigators and you don't try to cover stuff like this up, Because this cover-up went beyond these two officers.
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: It absolutely did.
• 13:16
  Speaker 4: And just so our listeners know, this body cam footage will be released on cdispatchcom.
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: That's correct.
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: We're going to have that on our website.
• 13:25
  Speaker 4: I can't.
• 13:25
  Speaker 4: We definitely need to be looking at that.
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: But so I'm a fan of law enforcement, I'm a fan of law and order, I'm a fan of funding the police well, so that we can have law and order.
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: By the way, I agree with all of those things 100%.
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: I'm sitting here and I'm listening to you and I'm developing a preponderance of the evidence based on the reports the cancellation of the DUI test, this and that it just looks ugly.
• 13:58
  Speaker 4: Nothing about this passes the smell test and I'm trying to think of a way to defend these actions and I can't.
• 14:07
  Speaker 4: And they definitely failed to protect and it sounds like they only protected their own.
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: It's a developing story.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: I can't say and thank God for the sheriff's office.
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean.
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: So I guess the one positive that I can bring out of this is we are thankful that the Columbus Police Department did opt to hand this over to Eddie Hawkins to create a report on it, otherwise we wouldn't really be talking about it right now.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, or we wouldn't know as much as we do.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: And see to me, that's the problem.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: You know, we, we talk about all the time and police officers talk about the time about the higher level of accountability with their responsibility, and this showed at least a belief, if not a culture of power without responsibility, authority without accountability, and that's not what we need from police officers.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: We just don't.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: And that's not what we need from police officers.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: We just don't?
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: So, Zach, we definitely need to have a really, really deep and real sense of trust for our police officers.
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: It's going to help them to do their job better and more efficiently, but I mean before we even get into the cover-up and all that.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at this story and the number that stands out is 78.
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: That is on College Street.
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: That is swift.
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: I would not trust Dale Jr in a Lamborghini to go that fast on College Street.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: That's crazy.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that goes to a deeper thing.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: I mean so even well-meaning police officers, right, well-meaning law enforcement agents state, county, local and I think this is probably a broader issue than just here, but certainly here there's been plenty of examples Can we be done with the era of the high-speed chase?
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: So in this case with Harris, when he hits the bankhead guy, he's just responding to another place where an officer had called for assistance.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: He's not chasing a perp down the street.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: But even if you're chasing a perp down the street, if it's not one of those Dick Tracy situations where you've got some damsel in distress dangling out of the back passenger window and somebody's got a Tommy gun to her head, can we call ahead?
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Can we get the?
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: plate and call ahead.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, can we work smarter, not harder on?
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: this Because and I get it Well, we've definitely got the cameras.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was saying Cameras, you've got cameras, you've got all kinds of different things.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: When you run a plate, you can get the address where it's registered.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: There's all kinds of ways that you can avoid and you're out on the open highway, okay.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: But when you're going through town like why are we?
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: You know, why are we going 80 miles an hour down Fifth Street, 65, 70 down Military Road?
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Because somebody's throwing drugs out a window I understand the single-mindedness of, and the adrenaline of, oh, that guy's breaking the law, I've got to get him.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: If I'm sitting in my living room, on whatever street, and a cruiser or the guy being chased comes through my living room and kills me or my family, it's kind of cold comfort to me that the guy had some crack cocaine that he was throwing out the window.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's common sense here that needs to be used and it's not being Well, one thing you know again.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: I'm going to have to look at the video, but you tell me there was one hand under the wheel.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: That's almost like a relaxed state if it's down there.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: He was just cruising along that guy not wearing a seat belt or what was the other hand doing?
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: we don't.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: That's not in the video.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: But again, that to me is a separate issue from the broader issue of these chases, these high-speed chases that go through residential areas, that go through commercial areas, and it's just sort of accepted practice when there are so many other ways.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: And we're not talking about bad officers here, we're talking about people who have been trained to get the guy that's breaking the law and using their vehicles to do it.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: That's not necessarily bad policing or lying to that.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: That's that's people.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Officers can make mistakes, acting in good faith in these situations, because there's not a system built on.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Hey, we got cameras.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Hey, we can call ahead.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Hey, there needs to be speed limits.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: If you're, if you're chasing a guy and you're going down military, as soon as you hit 60 miles an hour, you need to, you need to call in the plate, call in the direction.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: And we need to make another decision on how to get this guy, because the juice isn't worth the squeeze, the risk is not worth the reward of getting the drug dealer on the traffic stop or the guy who failed to yield because his taillight was out and oh, there must be something else going on.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Let's go 70 down Fifth Street and find out.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: That's dangerous, it's dangerous, it is dangerous.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: I would be in favor of maybe contracting with Medivac or somebody.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Just get somebody to do air patrol for these type situations, because you're going to end up calling it helicopter regardless if you're doing the high-speed chase sounds like.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: However, one thing I do want to say is there has to be fear of the law.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: There does, and there has to be this idea that I can't just stomp the gas and go away and not get caught, because not everybody has a tag, not everybody has the right tag on their vehicle.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: If they can find a way to get around the law, they'll do it, and so I don't think that high speed chases need to be off the table.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I don't think they need to be in residential or commercial areas.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: But 78 on College Street is way out of hand.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, way out of hand.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Well, zach, there's more about this story that is to come.
• 20:11
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  Speaker 4: Today in the studio we are pleased to have Ms Emily Leiner, who saved the city of Columbus when Books 100 decided to disgrace us by moving out of here.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: She is the owner of Friendly City Books, is that correct?
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: All right, and she is here to tell us about the Possum Town Book Festival.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: Welcome to the show.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: Second year for it, second time.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we did it for the first time last year, had no idea what to expect, and then a thousand people showed up.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a pretty big deal.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: We came with our kids and Amelia and I came with our kids and we enjoyed it.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: Oh, great, saw Dog man.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: Yes, so this year Clifford is coming for the kids, oh, I think I might actually nerd out on Clifford.
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: That's in my wheelhouse.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah and um, we also have marshall ramsey doing story time.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: So you know a great uh, you know newspaper columnist and cartoonist for a fee will he draw you a cartoon on the spot we didn't put that in his contract, but you know.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: so he's got this really cute book and the reason why we invited him is his new book Saving Sam is kind of an ode to military aircraft he is a big nerd with military aviation.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: And I was like you've got to come to Columbus.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: You know this is the perfect place for you.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: One of my goals is actually to make him just mad enough to produce a cartoon with my likeness in it.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: Oh, then you've made it.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: I have Like, then you will be.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: You know, like you've peaked once you've gotten in a Marshall Ramsey cartoon.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Well now, as far as other authors that are coming, how many have y'all got lined up?
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about who's coming?
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we've got over 30 authors who are going to be speaking on panels during the day, and then we also have 20 local authors who are coming, so the morning will be dedicated to the local authors.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: They're going to have tables where they can share about their books, and they'll be selling their books too and signing their books, from starting at 9 am until 1145.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: And this is August 16th.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: August 16th at the Columbus Arts Council, the Rosenzweig building.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, and is there going to be other programming, other places, throughout the day.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: It's all going to be at the CAC, with the exception of story time.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: We're going to do story time at Friendly City Books.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's right down the street.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: Exactly Just a couple of doors down.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: You know we are on Main Street now.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: Every once in a while we still have people go to our old location on Fifth Street.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: I've done it, but yeah, we're on Main Street and that's where we'll do story time at 10 am.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: We've got a great new kids section.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: We actually worked with pediatric dentistry on Columbus to renovate it.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: We painted a mural, we added seating and we're really excited to do the kids events there and then we'll all walk over to the CAC together.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: There will be panels going on all day long and we'll also have a big book fair.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: So kids and adults like something for everyone.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: So if I'm interested in attending some of these panels, what are?
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Is it just these authors talking about their process, or what types of panels will there be?
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: Little bit of everything Again.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: That's what we really try to strive for is to have something that everyone's going to enjoy.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: So we are starting with some nonfiction panels.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: The first one is going to be about Choctaw culture.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: I'm really excited about this.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: We have Jay Wesley and Eddie Johnson and Ray Vaughn coming up from the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: They have two new books about Choctaw folklore and Choctaw traditions and fun fact, jay was in the Sinners movie.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: Everyone is that.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: Everybody's like been so excited about.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: He has a cameo in it and he was a consultant on it.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: So, we actually have a movie star, somebody who's probably met Michael B Jordan.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: So that that means we'll be two degrees of separation, right, right.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: So that's our first panel at 915.
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: And then at 10, we'll have Wright Thompson, our keynote speaker, to talk about his book the Barn.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: This is going to be the community read in Columbus.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: This is something we started doing with the W, the public library, msms and the city of Columbus a few years ago and this is going to kick off our year of programming around that book.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Well, anything you want to add?
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, okay, I do have to tell you because David mentioned this in the introduction.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys realize this, but the dispatch is one of the reasons why I started the bookstore, because there was an editorial after Books A Million closed that said that Columbus needs a bookstore.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: And when I read that editorial I was like, well, let me see if anyone else is going to do it first.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: And a few months passed by and I was like, well, I guess I got to do it.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: We're certainly glad you did One of the many benefits of reading the dadgum paper.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: That's awesome.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: I got to tell you just real quick.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: A kind of a friend of mine passed away and I didn't know it and I went to the obits and there he was.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: This is a shared obit from Sulligent Alabama, so the dispatch thanks you for that plug very, very much.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's a public service.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Thank you, and Bookfest August 16th starts at 10, runs through or starts at 9, sorry.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: Starts at 9,.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: Ends at 5.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: Columbus Arts Council.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, be there, I will.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: All right, thank you.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: All right, that was Miss Emily Leiner of Friendly City Books.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Next on the program we have Vanessa Petit of the Columbus Mississippi what's Going On Facebook page, but first stuck on the road.
• 26:52
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• 26:55
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• 27:01
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• 27:07
  Speaker 2: The Good for Business podcast features interviews, tips and tricks from owners, operators and innovators.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Hear the inspiring stories of growth and life lessons from guests in Mississippi and around the world Hosted by entrepreneur, fundraiser and real estate broker, colin Krieger.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: The podcast is based right here in the Golden Triangle community.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: In the studio.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Today we are pleased to have the moderator of the Columbus Mississippi what's Going On Facebook page, also known as the referee of the city of Columbus.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: If you thought that Chief Daughtry was the referee, or Eddie Hawkins, you might be a little bit mistaken.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Today we have Ms Vanessa Poteet, who is a fire suppression specialist at State Systems, and also you and your husband are a little bit of a river rat family, aren't you?
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: We are.
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: We do love the waterway, which I grew up in Mobile Alabama, so there was plenty of water down there as well, and that's what kind of attracted us to Columbus was the waterway, for sure.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Great, great.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Well, we're glad to have you on the show today, and we want to talk about this Facebook page that you put together and, at this point, has, if I recall, 20,700 members, some of which are probably passed away, but that's quite a showing nonetheless.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Talk to us.
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: So actually there's a couple functions with the group so I can go in randomly and I can remove inactive people, and so if their Facebook is no longer up, I remove those.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: So those 20,700, those are active members.
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: Yes, so there's actually, like they give you an analysis of it and so there's actively 15,000 people in the group.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: So you purge people.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: I do Kind of like they hopefully do at the register yeah.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so tell us a little bit about how this got started, how you even got mixed up into this.
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: So when we were first residents of Columbus you know, like I said, I'm from Mobile, so I came from a big city.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: There's not much to do here Facebook started getting pretty popular.
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: There was a couple groups going viral in town, but you had to be in the hearsay and I wanted something for people, not necessarily in the hearsay, and the only way I really remove you is if you're just disrespectful or you're just not abiding by the rules, and so then you get purged.
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: The rules and so then you get purged.
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: Um, but other than that, I wanted a place for everybody to kind of be able to post, and word of mouth is top dog, yeah.
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: So it was a great thing to just kind of start, um, that to where people could come and get referrals.
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: I work somewhere where if you're a new business, you have to have a fire extinguisher.
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: You come to me so I tell you about the groups so that way you can post and get out there.
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: There's a lot of kids that are in college with the newspaper.
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: They're always doing articles with them, so it was just kind of a good way to help businesses stay and grow.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: If I recall, when it first started out, it was kind of a wiki format.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Anybody could just come in and post and whatever.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: But it kind of got out of hand at one point.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: When did you decide that, hey, I should probably moderate this content?
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: So I guess when the spam started really happening, when Facebook was in, all the groups were getting out there and it was.
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: And then you have so many people that do home businesses not that it's wrong, but you have a lot of fake too.
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: So it was like, where do you draw the line to try to keep this to grow but keep people safe?
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: And that's why I did the brick and mortar.
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: A lot of people give me a lot of negative feedback on it.
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: I can't help it.
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: It's to protect you, whether you see it or not, and I don't feel like I have to explain myself.
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: Every thousand people that join you know.
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: So it's a brick and mortar and that's because one they're paying lots of taxes to have that brick and mortar.
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: Why not give some free advertisement out there to them and be able to post and share their events and whatnot?
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: And people ask every day who can cut my grass?
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: There's thousands of people on there that cut grass.
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: If you're top dog in it, you're going to get referred.
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: So, um, you know, that's just kind of, I feel like if people do their home business, it's a referral base.
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: I'm not stopping people from referring you, whether you do photography or whether you're making cookies or cakes out of your house, or whatever it may be, you know if you're good at it, people are going to refer you.
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: They ask every day.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Well beyond businesses.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I mean this has sort of become community message board level.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I mean this is you know the events that are going on?
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I lost my dog.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes I lost my kid.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: You know where can you help me?
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: My aunt's car is on fire at the Walmart parking lot.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's what gets people to come over.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: They say what?
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, have you been surprised at how big this has grown, how diverse this has become, and what's kind of been the challenge for you keeping a handle on it?
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: for you keeping a handle on it.
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: Well, I had to add some moderators to help.
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: For sure, I am the only admin on there, but I do have, I think, 15 moderators and they've done a great job in helping and keeping what I've kind of built and the structure of it the same, and so sometimes they let some crazy stuff bypass and I'm like guys come on.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: I think most of the people are out there are okay with that decision.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's sometimes challenging.
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: I had to stop reading stuff because I'm like you wouldn't say that with your lips.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean going into that.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I mean Facebook, social media.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Facebook in particular has kind of become that sort of place where you know you've got that sort of keyboard cowboy mentality, where I'm not looking at you, you can't reach me with your fist, so I'm going to call you what I want to.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, how do you manage that?
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Is that something that?
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: Well, I think a lot of people know now that I'm not going to tolerate any of that.
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: I don't mind that you have conversation, and you can do it maturely, or you can just go like I don't.
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: Like I don't mind cussing, I don't like it.
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: If you direct it at someone, though, that will get you either a time out or removal from the page.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: So it's just, I try to give people their free speech.
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: You, you know, to a limit, you know, and some call me Hitler or whatever else, and I'm just like you know that was another guy.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, like you're, you're kind of now the face of it.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: How much, how much fire do you take in an average week from your users?
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: Um, sometimes it's more.
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: It depends on what the topics are that way.
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: How about that?
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: Because most of them just get removed.
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: I had a lady a while back message me and I do have a lot more supporters now and she was just like do like Kenny Rogers, know when to fold them, know when to walk away.
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: You don't have to argue with these people.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: And I was like you know what, you got a good point, so there's the mute button or the buy button, and then, when they get removed, it's why did you remove me?
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: and I'm just like and what's the?
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Do you have like a, uh, a probationary period where you'll put them back, or yeah?
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: so sometimes, um, you can do 24 hours, you can do 72, you can do a, you can do a week, you can do a month and time out, or I can just remove and ban them.
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: And they can't even find the group anymore, so it just depends on what it is they did.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: And Queen Bee is the judge and jury when that comes up.
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: Well, no, a lot of times I do ask my moderators too, because I'm like look, guys, guys, I don't want to just be this queen bee that's right you know, but I do accept it.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Um by a jury of your peers.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: You have been banned here with yeah.
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: So I mean it's.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: I try to give people their say, but sometimes it's just like okay, you don't get say I think probably one of the instances that brought your page into stardom was the altercation at the Hibachi.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: Have there been some?
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: Really is it okay to call that funny?
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: I thought it was funny.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: Funny moments that have kind of just went crazy out there.
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: Crazy out there.
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: Went crazy out there, crazy out there.
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: The hibachi closed down in the mall.
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, because they purchased ryan's old building across the street and so they were closed during renovations.
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: For what?
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: Two, three months, maybe a little longer, and everybody was just missing, I guess their lovely um buffet, and so well, it was a.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: We all had to cook and stuff.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: I guess Find somewhere else to go and you can get a lot of food from that place.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: That's right, and you went live when they finally did open.
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: I did.
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: I was like I'm going to go in here and go live and walk through.
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: They looked at me like I was crazy.
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: I was like, look, I'm letting these people know you're open and if y'all don't sell out this whole month, abandon everybody from the group.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Now I've been seeing some deep fakes posted by one of your members.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: David Chisholm has been posting some deep fakes related to the MSMS situation.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I've been seeing them just about every week after a certain podcast.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: What are we going to do about?
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: You know him.
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: Him.
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: Well, his podcasts are definitely allowed.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Well, I was talking about, like the picture of Sid with.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Sid's head on top of the regal, whatever that was.
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: I did see something about that.
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: I thought that was, you know, a little funny there.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Well, okay, everybody talks about the drama.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Really, when people talk about Columbus, what's going on?
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Some people, honestly, they go to it for the tea, they go to it for the juicy stuff, they go to it for the comments and the different things like that.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: But I mean a page like that also does some good.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: It helps people with problems, it helps air out things that need to be seen and said.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: So give us just a few examples of people that that page and being a part of that page has helped and in what ways so, um, for example, the warman shelter.
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: Uh, when it first started, um, they needed pillows and blankets and such, and I just posted, hey, I'm going to buy.
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: This is, if you guys want to send me some money or help or bring supplies, you can bring them to the shop and I will get them to whom they need to go to.
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: And within 30 minutes I had $600 sent.
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: I bought every Pella and Walmart, every blanket they had that they were using.
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: So that just touched my heart.
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: The Columbus Humane Society, ms Trudy, will message me and she's like we're out of cat food and I posted look, they're out of kitty food.
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: Can you guys help me?
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: I'm going to make a run and $800 is sent.
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: And $800 is sent, you know, and I'm filling a truck up, you know.
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: So that stuff to me is like wow, like I can't believe you people you don't even know me but like you trust me and it's just an honor to be able to do that in the Salvation Army.
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: The same way, I filled barrels up of food.
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: People bring it or they send me money and I go buy it and just fill it.
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: So that's pretty awesome.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Well, and I mean what does that say?
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I mean it's easy to.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: It's easy on a drama filled page and you know people who are coming for the table to sort of characterize communities as that's what they value.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: But what does it say to you about the community and the community members, that you could post something like that, or an organization can post something like that?
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: And here we are with job referrals, here we are with money, here we are with resources that the community and the members of that page are providing.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: Well, I say that we have a great community, regardless of what people say about Columbus.
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: I didn't move here because I thought it was a horrible place.
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: I moved here because it was a beautiful place.
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: It was slower than the big city.
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: It was a great place to raise the family, and when people do that, it just proves that we do have a great community.
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: We just need to smile more.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: We do and to your point, especially in the case of these social media outfits and for what you said earlier about you know you're not going to say that actually to someone's face.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: A lot of people complain, a lot of people out there are the squeaky wheel, but they're also not the ones showing up with the cat food and the food cans when the time arrives.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: So it's those silent people.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: You know the ones that creep across the page, very rarely like or comment, but when there's a need, the good people of the friendly city step forward.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Absolutely Well.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: What's next for the Facebook page and how long are you sticking with it?
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: well, I guess, as long as I'm here, as long as people still come to it, um, as far as what's next, I have no idea.
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: I guess that depends on what people are going to ask, okay, and what happens in columbus but you see it rocking along in the context that it exists now.
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: Oh, absolutely.
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: I don't see it going away, and I mean a lot of people don't even watch the news or any of that.
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: Some people come up to me in the public and are like I just go on your page and find out the news, I don't even turn it on anymore.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: Well, let me push back on that.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: A lot that happens on there, you know we catch up on and we say, hey, let's check into this.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: And so the unfortunate thing about your page is that it does have that gossip tendency.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: You know, people just kind of willy-nilly put stuff on there.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: So yeah, go to the Facebook page.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: It's Columbus, mississippi.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: So yeah, go to the Facebook page.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: It's Columbus Mississippi.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: What's going on?
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: Parenthetically?
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: That's the name of the page.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: But also read the dadgum paper, because we've got the peer-reviewed stuff and we're asking the right questions to the right people.
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: So we've got kind of both arms going here, and that's what I expect people to do is to actually go and investigate and check it.
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: Don't always believe everything you see, or?
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: read on there, please don't.
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: Please don't, Because some of it and some of it does get removed if it's a little far fetched, and you know.
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: And as far as people posting wrecks, I don't mind that you say, hey, there's a wreck at intersection, whatever.
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: Let's not post videos or photos.
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: That's just disrespectful.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very, very tacky.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Let me ask you this kind of in closing here has anybody gotten into a relationship or gotten married because they met you?
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: Match made on Columbus Mississippi.
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: No, as far as I know, no, but that doesn't mean that it didn't happen.
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: I don't think there's anybody out there.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: They can let us know, Post on the Facebook page today if you met on Columbus, Mississippi.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: What's going on?
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely Because there has been gatherings.
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: There's people that do the little group gatherings and stuff that post on there.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: I think there's been a couple flower trading spots and just getting up walking down the river walk, and so there's been meet and greets of people.
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: So that would be interesting.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: So if you formed a meaningful relationship through this Facebook page.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: tips at cdispatchcom we'd like to know about it.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Now I ask that question because someone in Starkville posted.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: You know, I just witnessed somebody getting married in the Love's parking lot and that went wild.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it was true or not, but I'm like dude, I've seen a glimpse of that.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: Who needs a wedding cake when you can get those torquitos?
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: there you go there you go, and if you can make it to a bucky's, it's even better not even touching that well, is there anything you want to add?
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: um, no, just thanks to everyone that's in the group and helps participate, and I appreciate you, that's for sure, because without all 20,000 plus of you, we wouldn't have Columbus, mississippi.
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: What's going on?
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you very much for joining us.
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: Absolutely.
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: Thank you for having me.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: All right, zach, three things Three things to know.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: OK, so drainage improvements across Columbus are slated to begin soon, probably sometime in August, according to Wagner Engineering.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: That's the firm managing the project.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Cullum Construction and Meridian is the contractor for the roughly $6 million project, which targets 10 flood-prone areas in the city.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Funding's through ARPA.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: It's got to be spent by the end of September of next year and they're supposed to be on pace to finish it up.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: Got to happen, got to happen, got to happen.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Sad news.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: A Jackson man died Monday after falling from the roof of Painter Hall at Mississippi University for Women.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: He was a member of a crew replacing the roof on that building and it's believed his safety equipment failed.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Osha is investigating.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Very, very sad.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: Our thoughts and prayers with that family, all those involved.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Ending on a happy note, Pickleball Courts at Probst Park will finally be open Friday as today.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: This is part of the $4.4 million park improvement plan underway.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Mayor Stephen Jones will face City Attorney Jeff Turnage for the ceremonial first match of the grand opening at 5 30 pm.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Stephen Jones is 10 years younger than Turnage, but I think Vegas odds still gives Jeff the edge because he's the more experienced player.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: That will do it.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: You've been listening to Between the Headlines and we thank our listeners for joining in today.
• 46:29
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• 46:34
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• 46:37
  Speaker 4: You can also follow me on Facebook at the Chisholm 00, also on X.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: So signing off until next week from Catfish Alley Studio here in historic downtown Columbus.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: Your host has been Mr Zach Player and I am David Chisholm.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Until next time, y'all keep it friendly out there and we'll keep it real.
• 47:06
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