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Welcoming Back Shanette W. Johnson for Season 4 of Da Crew Podcast! _ LET'S TALK ABOUT IT!! · DA CREW Podcast

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Speaker 1: Think, Think, Think.
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Speaker 2: Pleadies and gentlemen, May I have your attention please? The
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Speaker 2: show starts in Life eight seven six five four three
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Speaker 2: show one go.
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Speaker 3: Well, Hello, Hello, how's everyone doing. Welcome to another episode
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Speaker 3: of Let's Talk About It. I am so happy to
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Speaker 3: be back for season four. This is my third year
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Speaker 3: on here with the Crew podcast. I don't even know
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Speaker 3: what's going on with my camera, but anyway, we're just
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Speaker 3: gonna roll with it. You know. I would love for
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Speaker 3: you guys to see I would love to see you
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Speaker 3: and you see me. Well, let me get my nervousness out. Okay,
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Speaker 3: I'm ready. I am Schanette Johnson. I am the host
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Speaker 3: of Let's Talk About It. Over here. We talk about injustice,
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Speaker 3: things that's happening inside of the prisons, wrongful convictions, over sentencing.
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Speaker 3: This is a safe spot for us to talk about
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Speaker 3: anything over here. So right now, I have a guess
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Speaker 3: that coming on at seven twenty, I totally forgot about
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Speaker 3: mister Legate. But being that as Black History Month, I
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Speaker 3: just wanted to remind you of the statistics of the
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Speaker 3: of the black men that are currently in prison on
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Speaker 3: role for conviction. Right now, there are about seven hundred
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Speaker 3: and twenty thousand Black men are incarcerated in the United States.
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Speaker 3: Roughly three percents of black of the black male population
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Speaker 3: are innocent. Are innocent? Let's chew on that. Did you
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Speaker 3: not hear the number that I said of the black
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Speaker 3: men are that are currently incarcerated seven hundred and twenty thousand,
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Speaker 3: and of that three percent of them are wrongfully incarcerated.
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Speaker 3: The black males are the ones that served the longest
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Speaker 3: time out of all the ethnic groups. They are also
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Speaker 3: what they're also, I believe they said, convicted at a
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Speaker 3: high rate because of identity, identity, identity and also being
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Speaker 3: where the witness is cohers and saying that they committed
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Speaker 3: this crime. I don't know as many times as I
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Speaker 3: done came on, I still get nervous, and I'm still
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Speaker 3: fighting over this nervousness. But anyway, back to back to this.
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Speaker 3: The reason why I got into this, I tell my
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Speaker 3: story all the time is because my husband is currently
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Speaker 3: incarcerated on a room for conviction over in Denver, hearing
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Speaker 3: his story and other men from around the country are
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Speaker 3: similar and they haven't none of them have ever met
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Speaker 3: each other, but they all say the same thing when
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Speaker 3: I talk to them. It's all about convictions. They don't
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Speaker 3: care who they pick up long as they get a conviction.
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Speaker 3: We see it time and time again. They have no
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Speaker 3: DNA evidence, they don't have anything tying these men to
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Speaker 3: these Christs. But yet and still they are the number
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Speaker 3: one convicted. Why why, why why is this still going on.
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Speaker 3: It's not gonna stop, It's gonna continuously go wrong. For
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Speaker 3: convictions are not rare. They are rare real and some
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Speaker 3: of the most well known pal just that deep, deeply
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Speaker 3: how flawed the system can be. We remember the you guys,
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Speaker 3: remember the the Central Park men, the five teenagers that
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Speaker 3: was wrongfully convicted. Look at their stories. They had no
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Speaker 3: DNA evidence, but yet still they still convicted them. Men,
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Speaker 3: they still convicted them, but they their case was overturned.
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Speaker 3: There was desonerating some years later. Let's look at Stephen Avery.
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Speaker 3: He spent eighteen years in prison for a crime he
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Speaker 3: didn't commit before being designerated. And guess what, Stephen Avery
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Speaker 3: is back in prison on what another wrongful conviction? How
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Speaker 3: can that be? How can that be? When I read
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Speaker 3: things like that, it just like something, it's something in
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Speaker 3: me that just blows my mind. It blows my mind
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Speaker 3: to see the endust that our men and women are
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Speaker 3: are facing when they going to the courts room. They
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Speaker 3: going there with public defenders because some of them cannot
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Speaker 3: afford to an attorney, and the public defenders are over
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Speaker 3: work and they have so many cases on their desks.
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Speaker 3: They they don't have jurors of their peers. Some of
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Speaker 3: us that well, I'm gonna just use me as an example.
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Speaker 3: I got a jury summons to serve on a jury.
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Speaker 3: And you know how you go to court and picking
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Speaker 3: the jury and stuff, and the judge asks you can
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Speaker 3: you serve or you know, whatever it may be. And
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Speaker 3: then you know, I seen this, seen the guy that
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Speaker 3: was on trial, and it was like he was like
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Speaker 3: we connected or something when he seen me. But when
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Speaker 3: I raised my hand and told them that I couldn't
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Speaker 3: serve because I was the only provider for my household,
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Speaker 3: and a judge just dismissed me, it was just like
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Speaker 3: all hope, Like he lost all hope. And looking back
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Speaker 3: on it, you know, yeah, I was the only provider
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Speaker 3: for my household. But now I don't know the outcome
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Speaker 3: of what happened to that young man or anything, and
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Speaker 3: they kind of you know, it's on my heart like,
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Speaker 3: whatever happened to him, did his case go right? That's
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Speaker 3: what I'll be thinking ever since I started speaking out
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Speaker 3: on this situation. But we do have some good news
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Speaker 3: coming out of Denver. Mister camp. I don't know if
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Speaker 3: you guys remember mister Kemp. He was the one. He
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Speaker 3: was sentenced to life in prison plus I believe an
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Speaker 3: extra one hundred and one hundred and thirty some years.
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Speaker 3: I believe he's going back into court because the forensic
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Speaker 3: scientist that was on his case mishandled the evidence in
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Speaker 3: a couple of cases over there in Denver. I think
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Speaker 3: it was like over one hundred cases she mishandled or
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Speaker 3: she did something to the evidence, so they thrown out
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Speaker 3: all the evidence, and the men's that in the women
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Speaker 3: cases that she worked or are being brought back up
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Speaker 3: to court and they being resentenced. It was one guy,
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Speaker 3: he actually did do his crime and he was serving
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Speaker 3: three life sentences and they brought him back up to
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Speaker 3: court to court and they took away the life sentence
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Speaker 3: and I believe he was sentenced to forty years. So
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Speaker 3: he has a date to come home, and as you
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Speaker 3: may know, he's not He doesn't have any milling in
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Speaker 3: his skin, so he got a date to come home,
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Speaker 3: whereas it's another one in there that has milling in
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Speaker 3: his system. He doesn't have a date to come home,
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Speaker 3: and he didn't commit his crime. And you know, and
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Speaker 3: it's just like always to me, why why does it
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Speaker 3: takes so long for them to come home? Or why
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Speaker 3: do they have to prove their innocence for something they
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Speaker 3: didn't do even when they prove it. Ain't nobody, ain't
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Speaker 3: nobody listening to these to these men's some of the families,
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Speaker 3: some of their family members don't turn their backs on
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Speaker 3: them because they believe what the court said. Oh, well,
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Speaker 3: the jury found you guilty, so you must be guilty.
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Speaker 3: They have lost children, they have lost parents, siblings, and
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Speaker 3: mister Kemp's case, mister Kemp's all his siblings has passed
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Speaker 3: and he's the only one left from his siblings. From
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Speaker 3: his siblings, the only one left. And I know that
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Speaker 3: ways on them. When are we gonna finally use our
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Speaker 3: voice and stand up and say enough is enough? We're
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Speaker 3: doing everything else. Don't get me wrong, don't get me wrong. Please,
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Speaker 3: don't get me wrong. But I'm gonna have to say it.
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Speaker 3: I've reached out on behalf of some of these men's
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Speaker 3: I have reached out to different organizations and they send back,
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Speaker 3: They tell me, oh, we can't help Omar go to
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Speaker 3: this one but yet, and still you want me to
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Speaker 3: donate to certain to other causes. But you guys are
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Speaker 3: not willing to speak out against the men and the
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Speaker 3: women that are currently serving sentences life sentences. Some of
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Speaker 3: them are on death row for crimes that they didn't commit.
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Speaker 4: So this is a free call from James Gates.
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Speaker 3: Give me, let me get.
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Speaker 4: This call is being recorded and it's subject to monitoring.
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Speaker 3: To accept this free call.
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Speaker 4: Pres well, thank you for using secure US. You may
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Speaker 4: start the conversation now.
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Speaker 3: That's okay, but we're live right now. And I was
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Speaker 3: just sitting up here. I really truly thank you for
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Speaker 3: calling in. But I was just sitting up here just
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Speaker 3: talking about how certain organizations has been sending me out
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Speaker 3: donation slips to support the causes of the things that's
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Speaker 3: currently happening. But don't nobody want to speak up against
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Speaker 3: the injustice about the men and the women that are
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Speaker 3: currently incarcerated on wrong for condition.
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Speaker 4: Wow, man, it's understandable a lot of people don't realize,
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Speaker 4: you know, the hardship that people go through when they're
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Speaker 4: they see them wrong for conviction, you know, like like
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Speaker 4: for me, you know, I went through so much stuff
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Speaker 4: already that uh, the worst of all was loosing my daughter,
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Speaker 4: not even there to be with her, to help her,
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Speaker 4: or not even to bury her.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 4: This is a parent's worst nightmare, as you know. Uh.
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Speaker 4: And for me being incarcerated, you know, for something I
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Speaker 4: didn't do, which is why I always try to urge
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Speaker 4: people to look at the document, you look at the
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Speaker 4: evidence for themselves, and let them close their own opinion
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Speaker 4: on uh on what's going on, and uh maybe you know,
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Speaker 4: uh they can finally make up their mind right there
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Speaker 4: and then versus somebody just saying, oh, yes, the minisin
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Speaker 4: a minucon of this. You know, it's understandable, you know,
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Speaker 4: and I've gone through that so many times. It's just
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Speaker 4: like it was the Innocence Project. They see the evidence
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Speaker 4: that they think they are nothing newly discovered and said,
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Speaker 4: what are you talking about? Uh? The newly discovered evidence
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Speaker 4: was when when they actually found the guy alive, when
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Speaker 4: they announcements to the court and the jurors that he
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Speaker 4: was killed in Mexico but out in front of alive.
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Speaker 4: They can't even burner Kate Skinton. How does that work?
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Speaker 4: You know? Those are the issues that that mean that
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Speaker 4: bothered me the most because i cannot get an apartment
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Speaker 4: of answer it. And I've been a law for years
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Speaker 4: and I'm not an expert in this, and I've been
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Speaker 4: trying to find stuff that might be able to assist
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Speaker 4: me to understand when it all comes to the same thing.
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Speaker 4: It was a fabricated case. And I'm sure a lot
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Speaker 4: of people have the same type of case, you know,
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Speaker 4: maybe not like like mine, you know, but they have
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Speaker 4: similar issues that they don't either. The prosecutors of misconduct
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Speaker 4: in some former fashion which also dealt with their detectives
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Speaker 4: doing the investigation, you know, like in mind you know, uh,
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Speaker 4: they traced the gun to five different people who actually
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Speaker 4: it was straight to the original owner, to the executive
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Speaker 4: after he died and went to the executive she had
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Speaker 4: made given it to another guy. He had may have
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Speaker 4: given it to another guy for this guy, and they've
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Speaker 4: given it to the guy that actually said that he
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Speaker 4: gave it to me. But don't colaborgie evidence. But the
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Speaker 4: detective once he finaled this o who was traced to
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Speaker 4: that guy, the one that fabricated this whole story. He
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Speaker 4: comes up with his own conclusion that by saying, well,
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Speaker 4: it's cle this guy never told me that he gave
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Speaker 4: the gun to the gate, or where did this come from.
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Speaker 4: His whole investigative report never mentions anything about not even
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Speaker 4: the person telling Cam Hey, well yeah it was the
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Speaker 4: gun was traced to me and I gave it to
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Speaker 4: the gate. That was nowhere in the records. Nowhere. So
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Speaker 4: this is where the fabrication of the gun, of this
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Speaker 4: witness giving me the gun came to. Because further on
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Speaker 4: in his investigative report, he clearly shows that he contacted
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Speaker 4: the district attorneys and explain the situation about much name
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Speaker 4: and Hernandez not being cooperative to the case, and about
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Speaker 4: the situation about the gun being traced through him. Again,
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Speaker 4: it's just like like giving the investing the prosecutors like
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Speaker 4: a heads up, Hey, look you don't want to be cooperative,
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Speaker 4: we'll suppet to him and we'll just make him pacify it.
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Speaker 4: He got a motive and trace to him and shows
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Speaker 4: the record shows that he was on probation prlus. He
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Speaker 4: also had a pending drug charge, but he was insiged
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Speaker 4: so he's looking at drug chargers and replication of his
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Speaker 4: probation thrush or the murder, which they I'm sure they
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Speaker 4: told him that, you know. And and it's hard for
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Speaker 4: somebody like me to prove all these facts. The only
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Speaker 4: thing I can do, and hopefully then if you catch
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Speaker 4: somebody's ear or their attention, is by explaining the situations
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Speaker 4: as it stands and showing the proof through the records.
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Speaker 4: This is not just something that that I'm just uh
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Speaker 4: as they say, conclusionary allegations without supporting facts or evidence.
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Speaker 4: I have the facts, I have the evidence. But as
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Speaker 4: a lay person with no license, no training at all,
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Speaker 4: it's it's harder for me to set the boundary in
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Speaker 4: court for them to actually take, you know, a proper
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Speaker 4: notice of it. So yeah, I can understand how people
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Speaker 4: may feel like, you know, some frequere just just crying wolf.
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Speaker 3: You know, well, you know what we had just jumped
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Speaker 3: into this conversation. You know, I want to reintroduce to
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Speaker 3: some to you know, reintroduce you. So mister Legate been
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Speaker 3: with us for what for for a long time. He's
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Speaker 3: our brother. So mister go ahead, addie, introduce yourself for me.
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Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, should have for having me again. I
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Speaker 4: love coming on your show. My name is Davis la Gate.
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Speaker 4: In nineteen ninety nine, I was convicted for the murder
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Speaker 4: of a person that the media amused me to Bingo King,
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Speaker 4: not because of his profitable bingo partners or whatever, but
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Speaker 4: he knew how to manipulate the game. He had lawyers, judges, senators, congressman,
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Speaker 4: everybody he had dealings with. Plus they also came out
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Speaker 4: that he had delives with underworld figures that uh, you know,
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Speaker 4: dealing and Alima is his stuff. But that's why my
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Speaker 4: name is James Lagate. Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 3: You're welcome. Well, you know this is our first first
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Speaker 3: live shows this year and I've been with Angela now
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Speaker 3: for the last three years. And first I didn't think
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Speaker 3: I was gonna actually come back because listening to all
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Speaker 3: the men talk about the wrong for conviction and then
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Speaker 3: what's going on with the young men's that's coming out
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Speaker 3: of Texas. It Carmelo and I believe his name is Christopher.
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Speaker 3: It weighed on my heart because I don't see enough
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Speaker 3: people out there fighting against this injustice, you know it is.
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Speaker 3: I just don't think that I'm trying to say it
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Speaker 3: where I don't step on old body toes. But this
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Speaker 3: needs to be in the forefront. We talk about everything
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Speaker 3: else that we won't. They won't talk about this. They
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Speaker 3: joy they won't talk about it, and I don't and
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Speaker 3: I don't understand it. And it hurts because, like I did,
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Speaker 3: I was telling them that the percentage of the men
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Speaker 3: that are in prison wrongfully and then you have them
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Speaker 3: sitting on death road. Then we have you in there,
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Speaker 3: we have I believe it's five in Denver that I
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Speaker 3: talked to that's wrongfully convicted in prison. Then we have
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Speaker 3: some in California that I talked to. Then we have
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Speaker 3: I mean texts, we have a lot. We have a lot.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, there is a lot in Texas. And like I said,
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Speaker 4: I can understand how people might feel about about, you know,
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Speaker 4: cases like this, you know, I mean, you know, and
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Speaker 4: it's crazy because I heard a lot of podcasts or
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Speaker 4: you know, the host he wanted to do believe you know,
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Speaker 4: like didn't people involved, you know, let's investigate this case.
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Speaker 4: Let's let's do this, let's do that, you know, I
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Speaker 4: mean to when you get down to the iniquity of
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Speaker 4: the case. You know, I think it's a great a
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Speaker 4: great tool for people if you're really into mysteries or
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Speaker 4: I really understand or want to really dissect the case.
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Speaker 4: You know, there's so many questions you can ask. That's
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Speaker 4: why I say, if you go look at my documentary,
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Speaker 4: did you ask yourself wherever it is that catches your attention?
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Speaker 4: See one thing that there's a tournes many I have
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Speaker 4: a documentary and it's almost in my case was fabri pinion.
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Speaker 4: You know, it's the this called conviction The Bingoping murder
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Speaker 4: can be found on YouTube. And if if somebody really
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Speaker 4: sho be cares about justice, maybe because you know, maybe
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Speaker 4: it doesn't clitch or doesn't catch on yet because to
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Speaker 4: you it hadn't happen to one of your family members,
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Speaker 4: a friend of the family, or anybody like this that
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Speaker 4: is maybe close to the family, so you know, you
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Speaker 4: don't have no idea what's going on. I mean, how
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Speaker 4: many times does people look at dayline news and look
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Speaker 4: at these gruesome murders or something that happens, but they
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Speaker 4: bring these guys to trial and then they find out
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Speaker 4: that he's actually you see, this is almost that safe
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Speaker 4: type of scenario without the documentary. Part of nine twenty
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Speaker 4: twenty sixty minutes or anybody interviewed and giving you this
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Speaker 4: a more in depth in dest cognition. My own thing
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Speaker 4: is I just wish somebody and be a voice. You're
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Speaker 4: the voice. You're the voice for many of us. And
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Speaker 4: I know it's not so much about us for me
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Speaker 4: particularly taking anything from anybody, how not one is a voice.
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Speaker 4: A voice carries a long way, you know, Like, hey,
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Speaker 4: like I'm trying right now, I'm trying to hook up with.
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Speaker 4: His name is Mark Howard. He's a professor from Georgetown University,
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Speaker 4: and he has created him in a childhood friend of
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Speaker 4: his who spent eighteen years in prison for a murder
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Speaker 4: he didn't commit. He kills his parents, and it took
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Speaker 4: him eighteen years to prove that he didn't.
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Speaker 3: But an attorney, it shouldn't take that long for an
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Speaker 3: innocent man or an innocent woman to prove their innocence.
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Speaker 3: It shouldn't take eighteen years. It should I was reading
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Speaker 3: some it was one man seventy years. I hope they
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Speaker 3: was wrong about that. Seventy years to yeah, that's a
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Speaker 3: long time. Thirty four years, twenty four years, one year
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Speaker 3: is a long time.
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Speaker 4: It is.
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Speaker 3: And you you say when you said, dissect the case. Oh,
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Speaker 3: we can dissect your case. And and and no matter
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Speaker 3: where you slight cut it or slice it, you're innocent
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Speaker 3: man number one. No gun shop residue, no.
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Speaker 4: DNA nothing, no reference of the gun shills. I mean
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Speaker 4: the way the shows nothing nothing, No eyewitness saying hey
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Speaker 4: I saw him do this, or all they had with
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Speaker 4: the person.
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Speaker 3: The tape recorded over Yeah, tape recorded over there.
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Speaker 4: And like I said, you know, I've been I'm going on.
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Speaker 4: I'm well over twenty seven years right now in prison
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Speaker 4: for this burd And and like I said, the worst
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Speaker 4: part of it was losing my daughter. That that good today.
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Speaker 4: It's been twenty years already, and it is in the
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Speaker 4: day that goes by, and it still don't hurt me.
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Speaker 4: Especially on Christmas is her birthday, Uh, any type of holidays,
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Speaker 4: you know, Father's Day, Like she used to come in,
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Speaker 4: you know, give me these surprising gifts and hugs, and
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Speaker 4: you know, and I'm never going to get.
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Speaker 2: Again, you know.
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Speaker 4: And and all because the system is corrupted, people may
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Speaker 4: not would have put me everything. Might think, oh, nowhere,
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Speaker 4: we have a fine system. Well if that's true, then
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Speaker 4: me people wouldn't have been exonerated you know some people now,
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Speaker 4: you know, thank God for DNA.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 4: I'm just one of the persons that don't have that
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Speaker 4: luxury to use any more of DNA because there was nothing.
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Speaker 3: But it shouldn't you know, I can't you know, I
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Speaker 3: can be wrong or whatever, but I feel when you
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Speaker 3: say that, you're you know, you're fighting for innocence. You're
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Speaker 3: fighting for their their innocence. Some cases it's not going
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Speaker 3: to have DNA. So in that case, when you don't
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Speaker 3: have DNA, what what what do they want you guys
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Speaker 3: to do when is no DNA when they only want
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Speaker 3: to fight help people that has DNA.
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Speaker 4: Right, Well, the thing is is is is now they expect,
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Speaker 4: especially the course, they expect you to have some kind
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Speaker 4: of evidence that improve beyond the boundance of the heavin
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Speaker 4: this that you are actually innocent. Uh. And that's like
31:05
Speaker 4: I said. And in my case, right, they said I
31:08
Speaker 4: was a hire hit man. But the guy who did
31:11
Speaker 4: the hiring, they said that he was killed in Mexico.
31:16
Speaker 4: Twenty years later they find him alive. So now they're
31:21
Speaker 4: now they changed her to him. Well, we really ain't
31:23
Speaker 4: got no independent cooperation to bring a case to guy
31:26
Speaker 4: against him. Well, where does that leave me. You used
31:30
Speaker 4: him to convict me of this murder. You don't have
31:33
Speaker 4: this guy just to find that he overheard this man
31:37
Speaker 4: telling me this. Well, they know that all this is fabricated.
31:41
Speaker 4: This is why they don't have no other evidence. Oh
31:43
Speaker 4: they did though, they had cooperations. Two other guys that
31:47
Speaker 4: were implemented that were present when this guy said he overheard, uh,
31:53
Speaker 4: this person telling me I need you didn't o take
31:55
Speaker 4: care of this guy. But the state that we used
31:58
Speaker 4: him and they were used, so why because nothing transported
32:04
Speaker 4: and probably if they had talked to like one of them.
32:06
Speaker 4: I found out that one of them was repeated, but
32:08
Speaker 4: they still never used him because he body even told
32:11
Speaker 4: him I don't know what you're talking about, right, So anyway,
32:17
Speaker 4: he said, okay, well we all got to use you, but
32:18
Speaker 4: we're gonna still use this guy. You know, because now
32:21
Speaker 4: we know that this guy is supposed to be killed
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Speaker 4: in Mexico. There's nothing refutes. He wasn't able to tept
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Speaker 4: the pie. He wasn't there to be president at anything,
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Speaker 4: you know, nothing. But now that he's alive. Oh, now,
32:34
Speaker 4: y'all don't have no evidence to bring a case against him.
32:36
Speaker 4: But here I am president for the past twenty seven
32:40
Speaker 4: years for the murder that the key had then do.
32:47
Speaker 3: But then you have that that guy that that committed persury,
32:54
Speaker 3: the one that said he was his brother, and Ashley
32:58
Speaker 3: got understand as himself.
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Speaker 4: Exactly. Well, it's like it's like in the documentary. You know,
33:09
Speaker 4: even though I haven't seen it, but you and other
33:10
Speaker 4: people have told me that. Even the prosecutor and my
33:15
Speaker 4: own attorney, my trial attorney, admitted that the jurors should
33:20
Speaker 4: have known about his misrepresentation of his identity. They allowed
33:26
Speaker 4: him to lie before the grand jurors because even if
33:30
Speaker 4: there you have to be honest. You have to be
33:32
Speaker 4: truthful to every question that he has, even your activity.
33:36
Speaker 4: So if you have to lie about your identity, that
33:39
Speaker 4: should make a person wonder why. Even even when he
33:43
Speaker 4: gave a testimony to the detectives, they said, okay, we'll look,
33:46
Speaker 4: I'm want to read back your your testimony. Okay, you're okay,
33:50
Speaker 4: we want you to sign it. Here he signed it,
33:52
Speaker 4: and so I am you willing to take a polygraph
33:53
Speaker 4: test of It's just to verify on the questions that
33:56
Speaker 4: that you answered that he didn't want to do it. Well, person,
34:02
Speaker 4: that is telling the truth. Would not want to take
34:05
Speaker 4: a light to take your kiss? I did thirty too many.
34:08
Speaker 4: They want to know if you want to take a
34:09
Speaker 4: lighting text your chick. I said, yeah, I said, I'll
34:12
Speaker 4: take it to day tomorrow, any time they wanted. But
34:15
Speaker 4: if my passion, you have to agree to to to
34:18
Speaker 4: let me go to drop the cakes because I didn't
34:20
Speaker 4: do nothing, but they just want to give me the test,
34:24
Speaker 4: you know.
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Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'll just I'm just wondering what Bible
34:30
Speaker 3: they putting their hands on standing up there saying they
34:34
Speaker 3: swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth.
34:36
Speaker 3: So help them God, I want to know what Bible
34:39
Speaker 3: it is they putting their hand on. Each one of
34:44
Speaker 3: them has getting up there.
34:48
Speaker 4: Because that they have to come before God. You know.
34:53
Speaker 4: So I'm just, you know, I was, I was thirty seven,
35:00
Speaker 4: but they left me up. I was thirty eight when
35:05
Speaker 4: when I was convicted, and right now I'm gonna be
35:09
Speaker 4: sixty five years old. So all this time that I
35:13
Speaker 4: spent it because for a murder I didn't even have
35:16
Speaker 4: nothing to do with it, and I can't understand that
35:19
Speaker 4: people don't want to believe it. That's that's fine. I mean,
35:22
Speaker 4: I don't blame nobody for nothing. But all I ever asked,
35:26
Speaker 4: like I said that I mentioned earlier, look at the documentary,
35:29
Speaker 4: look at the evidence. The story burned the proof that
35:32
Speaker 4: was written I was publishing the Texas Observer magazine. You know,
35:36
Speaker 4: she's trying to burn the proof. I see the evidence
35:39
Speaker 4: that we discovered way back then that they went hild
35:43
Speaker 4: But because the judge believed the prosecutor over the evidence,
35:51
Speaker 4: well she denied any time but belief, you know. In
35:54
Speaker 4: other words, while she talked to the the witness says
35:56
Speaker 4: she never said he didn't do it, and all this
35:59
Speaker 4: without giving me never did to hear it. I mean,
36:02
Speaker 4: you know what, what what hass it do? I got
36:04
Speaker 4: every I mean, everything was tapped against me. You know
36:07
Speaker 4: so well, under said, I know that that I know
36:11
Speaker 4: that thing's gonna change. I know that they will pre
36:13
Speaker 4: build because I mean, if it wasn't for for God's
36:16
Speaker 4: love and and everything that he has been to it
36:18
Speaker 4: for me, he wouldn't have had anybody become interested in
36:22
Speaker 4: doing a documentary in my case, he wouldn't be interested
36:25
Speaker 4: or putting somebody in my life to to do this story. Uh.
36:29
Speaker 4: For the Textas Observer Magazine he wouldn't have you in
36:33
Speaker 4: my life to give me let me be a voice,
36:35
Speaker 4: want to be my voice and allow me to come
36:39
Speaker 4: out of the podcast so I can share my story.
36:42
Speaker 4: You know, you know.
36:46
Speaker 3: I don't mean to cut you off. I don't know
36:48
Speaker 3: if I told you that, Uh, Angela did run a
36:54
Speaker 3: story in the magazine this month. The story, Yeah, so
37:04
Speaker 3: I did see it was online. Everybody was that was
37:10
Speaker 3: could have went online and got a freak copy. I
37:13
Speaker 3: believe at last Friday was the last time they could
37:16
Speaker 3: have downloaded it. But yes, okay, so we still are pushing,
37:23
Speaker 3: you know, speaking out for you, and we're gonna continuously
37:28
Speaker 3: speak out for you because but you know, this is
37:34
Speaker 3: what I when you said something, Oh when you said
37:37
Speaker 3: something about the the sun was it the sign magazine.
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Speaker 4: The checkt Observer magazine.
37:47
Speaker 3: Isn't that the one your your ex wife written something?
37:53
Speaker 4: Then yeah, I have to want to They interviewed her
37:58
Speaker 4: of everything that we have been doing, trying to google
38:02
Speaker 4: my innocence. Yes, unfortunately, because due to my granddaughter she h,
38:08
Speaker 4: we decided to be past because she went to adopt
38:11
Speaker 4: then and they would own a doctor if we were married.
38:14
Speaker 4: So because I'm convicted, so we agree to just devoid
38:18
Speaker 4: for friends and everything, but we disagree it'll be best.
38:21
Speaker 3: And you know, if you guys can find that article,
38:25
Speaker 3: what what's the name of the because everything about pertaining
38:31
Speaker 3: to mister Legate is public records. All you had to
38:35
Speaker 3: do is just google his name. Are the the Bingo
38:40
Speaker 3: King and every article from Texas that's pertaining to that
38:48
Speaker 3: will come up. And you would see as you read,
38:51
Speaker 3: you would read that people were saying James Legate a
38:56
Speaker 3: higher hitman. Nah, No, and you they and even in
39:03
Speaker 3: one article a man was laughing, you know, he said,
39:08
Speaker 3: what hit man would drive his car to the scene,
39:13
Speaker 3: leave his leave his car, leave all his belonging there.
39:18
Speaker 3: He's not a hit man.
39:21
Speaker 4: I had my I had my driver's license and everything
39:25
Speaker 4: I worked for an advantage out of finance. I had
39:28
Speaker 4: my dealer tags, I had goodness cards, everything, everything was
39:34
Speaker 4: in my propolarity. When everything happened, everything happened so fast.
39:37
Speaker 4: I just I tripped out and I took off. I ran.
39:40
Speaker 4: You know, I was surprised that I didn't get hit.
39:42
Speaker 4: You know what, sometimes I don't wish I would have
39:44
Speaker 4: been me, you know, I would have been anywhere just
39:47
Speaker 4: to you know, and you know they would be investigating
39:51
Speaker 4: my murder. You know, I wouldn't have been to the perpetrated.
39:57
Speaker 4: I would be the victim. But unfortunately God had other things.
40:01
Speaker 4: I guess, I mean because I shouldn't understand it. I
40:04
Speaker 4: shouldn't understand it.
40:06
Speaker 3: I don't even I don't even understand it because I don't,
40:10
Speaker 3: you know, listening and seeing the documentary and reading the
40:16
Speaker 3: articles and everything, and I mean everything as at at
40:22
Speaker 3: ass up that you are innocent and your story. Your
40:27
Speaker 3: story never changed, it never changed, even looking at the documentary.
40:32
Speaker 3: If you guys look at the documentary and look at
40:36
Speaker 3: the tapes and stuff from Women's legate. Ben on the
40:39
Speaker 3: show when he was with talked to Angela, his story
40:45
Speaker 3: never changed, never changed. And then also I believe it
40:51
Speaker 3: was the episode six. I believe when they go in
40:58
Speaker 3: and they look at the evidence. They have the the shirt,
41:06
Speaker 3: no blood, just tackle staying. They show all of that,
41:13
Speaker 3: but guess what, right, there's no gun, no gun, there's no.
41:23
Speaker 4: Gun, my shirt. They not even thirty minutes after the shooting.
41:30
Speaker 3: They can't even they can't even produce the gun. They
41:35
Speaker 3: don't know where that gun, they don't know the gun
41:37
Speaker 3: is supposed to be an evidence. They can't even produce.
41:41
Speaker 4: The gun, right, That's something I just I just looked
41:46
Speaker 4: through Eache Harrow on the documentary the producer. She discovered that,
41:50
Speaker 4: and that surprised me. Also, you know, I'd like to
41:54
Speaker 4: I'd like to see if anybody and everybody or anybody
41:57
Speaker 4: out there you know a pecunious mind, and you do
42:00
Speaker 4: decide to look at the documentary or with the article
42:04
Speaker 4: and you want to know more, why don't you get
42:07
Speaker 4: a hold of shed back the show and requests that
42:11
Speaker 4: we have in question didn't answer? I mean, uh, session,
42:15
Speaker 4: you know, I don't have nothing to hide, just just
42:18
Speaker 4: everything I want to put out there. And and the
42:20
Speaker 4: more voices I can body get they can play. Called
42:22
Speaker 4: the district attorney, Hey, why do you got this guy
42:24
Speaker 4: in prison? If if y'all can't even convict the guy
42:28
Speaker 4: who or y'all got no ad answer to convict the
42:30
Speaker 4: solicitor and you against the solicitor to cooperate this, how
42:34
Speaker 4: do you have anything to cooperate that he even did?
42:37
Speaker 4: You see? Those are the things that I'm trying to
42:40
Speaker 4: pose and and it's and it's we get frustrated, but
42:44
Speaker 4: you know, I keep my face strong. I try to
42:45
Speaker 4: keep my face with Garden as much as I can,
42:48
Speaker 4: and and I thank him every day for giving me
42:50
Speaker 4: some more strains because sometimes I feel like give it up,
42:55
Speaker 4: but then you know, and you know, I show my
42:57
Speaker 4: daughter like just pushing me, like don't give up that
43:00
Speaker 4: to keep going, You're going to come up.
43:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're and we're not gonna allow you to give up.
43:08
Speaker 3: And Angela Andim they've been for the last six years.
43:13
Speaker 3: I want to say congratulations to Angela and Nem. They've
43:19
Speaker 3: been on the wall for six years. As a February
43:25
Speaker 3: first six years, they've been getting up at five am praying,
43:31
Speaker 3: calling out our names. So I want to say, Angela, Nem,
43:39
Speaker 3: thank you for the prayers that you are sending up
43:42
Speaker 3: on behalf of the men and the women that are incarcerated.
43:51
Speaker 3: I want to say thank you on behalf of them.
43:54
Speaker 3: And also thank you on behalf of my family for
43:57
Speaker 3: the prayers that you guys are praying for us. I'm
44:00
Speaker 3: missing the gate. We got a few minutes. I want
44:03
Speaker 3: you to go ahead and give your clothing, uh remarks
44:10
Speaker 3: and uh let the people know what what you what
44:17
Speaker 3: like for them they do for you.
44:21
Speaker 4: So's it's like they said, I'm just I'm just hoping
44:24
Speaker 4: to generate voices, you know, as advocates. I'm not looking
44:29
Speaker 4: for anything else. I'm looking to prove my innocence. You know.
44:34
Speaker 4: They say that that they have evidence, even if they
44:36
Speaker 4: didn't have the guy who lied about it, if an
44:40
Speaker 4: identity or anything like that that they can use against me. Okay, Well,
44:43
Speaker 4: if that's the case, want you give me a new drum,
44:46
Speaker 4: give me a new droum with what you've got, and
44:48
Speaker 4: let's take away all this fabricated stuff that you use
44:50
Speaker 4: because you still got to prove the hitman theory. And
44:54
Speaker 4: this is all I'm asking, you know, and the voices
44:57
Speaker 4: can do a lot. You can call the district attorney,
45:00
Speaker 4: call your comings me, you can call these representatives. You
45:02
Speaker 4: can call it anybody and ask about it anyway. That's
45:05
Speaker 4: all I'm asking. If we all ever want to know
45:07
Speaker 4: anything about the case or anything like this, I'm more
45:10
Speaker 4: than willing to answer you any questions if you can
45:12
Speaker 4: give with Shanet and thank you, Sette, love you, Angela,
45:16
Speaker 4: love you, Cornell, Thank you so much you will have
45:18
Speaker 4: been the greatest. And my brother and uh I thank
45:22
Speaker 4: you all for everything from the bottom of my heart
45:24
Speaker 4: and thank you audience, for give me for allowing me
45:27
Speaker 4: to speak that they also and hearing me. Thank God,
45:30
Speaker 4: bless all of you.
45:33
Speaker 3: Give me a call tomorrow one o'clock your time.
45:40
Speaker 4: Okay, let's you then.
45:42
Speaker 3: Okay, good night everybody, and I have a blast night.
45:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, you do the same. I wish you later.
45:53
Speaker 3: That was mister James Legge. Oh did I end? I
46:07
Speaker 3: don't know if I'm still going or not because I see. Oh,
46:13
Speaker 3: thank you Angela. That was mister James Legate with us.
46:19
Speaker 3: If you guys can, please please go see the documentary.
46:25
Speaker 3: Please go see it dissected yourself called me if you
46:30
Speaker 3: want to just talk about it and if you I mean,
46:33
Speaker 3: if you see something that we probably had missed and
46:36
Speaker 3: that we can bring up. Please please, I just asked
46:41
Speaker 3: you guys please go look at the documentary. Google his
46:45
Speaker 3: name James Legate, and pull up all the articles and
46:52
Speaker 3: read on please and you will see what people are saying,
46:57
Speaker 3: what they said about him. I truly believe that mister Legate.
47:04
Speaker 3: I know that mister Legate is an innocent man, is
47:11
Speaker 3: an innocent man and all he needs. All he want
47:15
Speaker 3: is someone to be a voice to speak up for him.
47:20
Speaker 3: Because they have limited limited they are limited to what
47:26
Speaker 3: they can do from behind that wall. So we have
47:30
Speaker 3: to give them a voice. Like we're doing other things.
47:36
Speaker 3: Let's let's be a voice for them. Like I said, today,
47:41
Speaker 3: our Google being black Black history, and you know, we
47:48
Speaker 3: have a lot to inventors. So today, on this day,
47:57
Speaker 3: Afric Curly he patented the ice cream Scooper. So if
48:05
Speaker 3: it wasn't for him, Africcurly, he we wouldn't have the Scooper,
48:11
Speaker 3: the ice cream Scooper, and it was. He patented on
48:16
Speaker 3: February the second, eighteen ninety seven. He was thirty years
48:23
Speaker 3: old when they granted him the patent. So just a
48:29
Speaker 3: little history, you know, so we can keep up on
48:33
Speaker 3: our history, and I believe it's important to teach our
48:40
Speaker 3: children about our history. On that note, I want to
48:47
Speaker 3: leave you guys with I got my final thing if
48:54
Speaker 3: I can find it. I got so much going on
48:59
Speaker 3: over here. Okay, hopefully my teacher don't call me asking
49:07
Speaker 3: me for my paper. Oh you know what I can't find?
49:18
Speaker 3: Oh what is it? Let me see? Let me is
49:20
Speaker 3: it it it? Nope, you know what. I'm gonna have
49:26
Speaker 3: to do better with putting my my notes and stuff together.
49:31
Speaker 3: But on this note, thank you guys for joining me
49:35
Speaker 3: for my first day back, and I'm telling you the
49:40
Speaker 3: next time, I'm not gonna be nervous. I shouldn't be nervous,
49:44
Speaker 3: but it's something about that countdown. And what I want
49:47
Speaker 3: to talk about the next time when I when we together,
49:52
Speaker 3: is when did self defense become a crime. We're going
50:01
Speaker 3: to talk about that, when this self defense become apart
50:06
Speaker 3: and good light