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Heavy Metal & Wine: A Thunderous Harmony [Episode 308] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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Speaker 1: Coming up on this episode of Booked on Rock, Drinking
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Speaker 1: from the Blood of Gods, It's Metal, Mayhem and Wine
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Speaker 1: with author Stacy Buchanan.
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Speaker 2: Next, We're totally booked.
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Speaker 3: Rock and roll. I mean, I'll leave you. You're reading
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Speaker 3: little Hands this, It's time to rock and roll, roll out,
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Speaker 3: I totally booked.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to book don Rock, the podcast for those
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Speaker 1: about to read and rock. This episode's guest is Stacy Buchanan.
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Speaker 1: He's the author of Blood of Gods, Metal Mayhem Wine. Stacy,
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast.
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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having me. Appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: The promo calls this book a thunderous tribute to the
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Speaker 1: unlikely harmony between two seemingly distant worlds, heavy metal and wine.
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Speaker 1: Tell us about the journey that led to this book.
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Speaker 1: You grew up on hard rock, You worked in the
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Speaker 1: business for a while, but burnout led you back home,
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Speaker 1: and then came an interesting moment that changed everything for you.
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Speaker 1: Tell us about that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I I originally am from a really small town
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Speaker 3: called Walla Walla, Washington. And it's funny because a lot
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Speaker 3: of people know Walla Walla just because it's this funny,
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Speaker 3: like an I'm on a pea which just sounds like
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Speaker 3: a goofy thing you'd hear from Looney Tunes or something.
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Speaker 3: But you know, I really just kind of, like a
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Speaker 3: lot of folks, you know, started to get interested in
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Speaker 3: music from friends and family at an early age. And
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Speaker 3: I had a couple of uncles that were proud soldiers
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Speaker 3: in the Kiss Army, and they were like younger uncles,
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Speaker 3: a little more cool because they were younger, you know,
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Speaker 3: more rebellious party animals. You'd see them pretty much straight
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Speaker 3: ripped out of the movie dazed and confused. That's like
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Speaker 3: their bread and butter were just wild. So kind of
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Speaker 3: coming from that where it's like hard rock and kiss
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Speaker 3: all the time, that kind of set me on my
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Speaker 3: way a little bit, or at least gave me a
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Speaker 3: you know, predisposition to that kind of lifestyle on those
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Speaker 3: kinds of bands. I started freelance writing in high school
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Speaker 3: just because I had kind of a little bit of
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Speaker 3: a knack for writing. And it wasn't too similar actually
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Speaker 3: from I mean, I'm sure you're familiar with it because
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Speaker 3: it's like one of those those classics but almost famous
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Speaker 3: Cameron Crow where you know he was he was quite
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Speaker 3: a bit younger than me, though, I think he was
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Speaker 3: like fifteen or sixteen when he was doing stuff with
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Speaker 3: Rolling Stone, but I was, Yeah, I would say probably
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Speaker 3: around nineteen when me and a really good friend we had,
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Speaker 3: you know, kind of developed some relationships through our connections
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Speaker 3: and music and writing, and we said, hey, you know,
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Speaker 3: we're we just graduated high school. We got a swing
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Speaker 3: for the fences and do something crazy and go wild,
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Speaker 3: and we wound up joining oz Fest that year. That
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Speaker 3: was two thousand and that was when Pantera was still Pantera,
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Speaker 3: you know, the members are still alive. There was Queens
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Speaker 3: of the Stone Age, Ozzy Osbourne, and it was just
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Speaker 3: like a wild time. We didn't even think, you know,
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Speaker 3: it would happen. We thought they would pat us on
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Speaker 3: the head and say, oh, good, good, good effort. N
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Speaker 3: nice tribe, but no thanks, and they wound up saying, hey,
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Speaker 3: let's is great. So we wound up kind of being
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Speaker 3: sponsor representatives for like New Line Cinema, f Ye Hot Topic,
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Speaker 3: and I think there might have been another one, and
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Speaker 3: that really kind of set us on on that fast track.
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Speaker 3: I did it the following year for Alternative Press Magazine,
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Speaker 3: which is a publication I wrote for as long as
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Speaker 3: as well as thrasher, you know, coming from skateboarding and
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Speaker 3: di y, hardcore, punk, metal, all of it that was
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Speaker 3: in my wheelhouse for sure. From there I was offered
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Speaker 3: a job. I went down to la worked for Century
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Speaker 3: Media Records. You know, they did a lot of metal bands,
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Speaker 3: but they were also starting to expand a little bit.
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Speaker 3: Worked there for a few years, and then when I
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Speaker 3: asked for promotion, I was actually presented this crazy idea
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Speaker 3: and I took it, which was to move over to Germany.
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Speaker 3: So I worked out of their German office for a
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Speaker 3: couple of years. And then, you know, as you probably are,
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Speaker 3: awhere wildly different as far as the culture and as
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Speaker 3: far as music and concerts and all those things are
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Speaker 3: kind of like embraced and just like just how it's
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Speaker 3: sort of greeded, I guess you could say. But the
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Speaker 3: road crossroads for me. That kind of ties into your
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Speaker 3: question was, you know, after you know, working as a
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Speaker 3: freelance writer and you feel like you're really promoting promoting bands,
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Speaker 3: you're waving the flag high, You're like you got to
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Speaker 3: check this out, or you're just feeling like you're you're
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Speaker 3: actually being you know, a positive, helpful force for some
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Speaker 3: of these musicians to then working on the other side
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Speaker 3: of the coin, which is like you're in the business
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Speaker 3: side now, and that's really like, yeah, we're having fun
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Speaker 3: and it's wild, but also we need to sell records
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Speaker 3: and I need bands at tour all the time, and
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Speaker 3: I need you know, And it was just like really
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Speaker 3: tough when you are in the style of music just
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Speaker 3: to hear these saddle sob stories of starving artists and
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Speaker 3: you know, people aren't really making you know, it's not
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Speaker 3: all glamorous and money raining from the sky. So I
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Speaker 3: was like, you know what, like I kind of miss
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Speaker 3: it when it was more of a fan thing, more
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Speaker 3: of a I don't know, more of a creative pursuit
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Speaker 3: for me. And so I decided to come back to
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Speaker 3: my home blahla blahah. And when I returned, it had
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Speaker 3: definitely transformed in my absence. I was gone from like
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Speaker 3: ninety nine and I turned just about eight years later
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Speaker 3: by the beginning of two thousand and seven, and it
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Speaker 3: went from thirteen wineries in this small sleepy town literally
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Speaker 3: like tumble weed going across main street, to one hundred
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Speaker 3: and thirteen wineries. So all of a sudden, it turned
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Speaker 3: into this really cool little hub, but it was the
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Speaker 3: best kept secret because it's so remotely geographically isolated that
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Speaker 3: it enrich the town culturally personality. You know, along with wine,
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Speaker 3: there's great food and art and restaurants and things, and
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Speaker 3: so I was really kind of taken aback at first,
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Speaker 3: but then I was like, oh, this is actually neat
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Speaker 3: to see. It's sort of transformed and enriched. But the
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Speaker 3: impetus for Blood of Gods was I started to hear
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Speaker 3: some of these funny comparisons, like in the wine industry here,
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Speaker 3: some of these winemakers referred to as like a rock
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Speaker 3: star winemaker, and I'm like, what that doesn't mean you're
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Speaker 3: not a rock star. I know rock stars and you're
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Speaker 3: like an old, rich white dude with a monocle. Like
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Speaker 3: that's not rock star. Like that's not cool at all.
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Speaker 3: Kind of ruffle my feathers. And then you start to
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Speaker 3: hear other things that were like kind of funny or
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Speaker 3: things that were startlingly accurate, where you'd hear some complaints
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Speaker 3: about trends in one and trends in the other, reviews, critics, publications,
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Speaker 3: or even working with distributors, all these kinds of things.
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Speaker 3: There was almost like this one to one correlation, and
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Speaker 3: at first, you know it might've just been oh, that's
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Speaker 3: a neat coincidence, but it kept coming wave after a
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Speaker 3: wave of these like instances and anecdotes of like, that's
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Speaker 3: just like it is in the music industry. That's kind
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Speaker 3: of funny, or that behavior is something I've seen also
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Speaker 3: when I was working for a record label and on
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Speaker 3: and on. So Blood of Gods started as me just
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Speaker 3: taking the pits out of it and just kind of
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Speaker 3: being funny and poking holes through it and saying, you know,
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Speaker 3: trying to have a sense of humor. I didn't want
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Speaker 3: to be like a curmudgeon. I was just like, oh,
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Speaker 3: this is funny because on the surface, I mean, and
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Speaker 3: you know this, like not everyone that's in the metal
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Speaker 3: is like a knuckle dragging denim leather, bullet belts and spikes,
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Speaker 3: and you know the other side of that's true too,
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Speaker 3: like not all wine wine drinkers or people that are
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Speaker 3: into wine, or like old rich white dudes wearing a
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Speaker 3: monocle or something. And I think once you get past
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Speaker 3: that artifice, just that aesthetic thing, they're both really complete obsessives,
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Speaker 3: like they're they're super fans. They have encyclopedic tendencies. They're collectors.
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Speaker 3: They really like to nerd out about where was this
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Speaker 3: produced or who produced this? Or oh remember that one,
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Speaker 3: you know album or the sophomore album. It's just like
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Speaker 3: vintages of wine. So it kind of has a lot
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Speaker 3: of interchangeable components, which I thought was really neat because
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Speaker 3: it kind of helped you understand the other when you're
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Speaker 3: using some of the language of the counterpart where you're like, oh,
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Speaker 3: I didn't think of it that way, And it just
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Speaker 3: kind of seemed to grow from there where people were like, oh,
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Speaker 3: this kind of took the you know, it kind of
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Speaker 3: took the tension out of the room a little bit,
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Speaker 3: or that that elitism like you're not you're not cool enough,
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Speaker 3: or like if it's someone's day one, they'd have an
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Speaker 3: old head kind of browbeating them to see, you know,
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Speaker 3: if they're worthy of whatever, you know, of admission. And
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Speaker 3: so that was, you know, troubled me because you know,
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Speaker 3: I'm a huge metal head, and you know, you have
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Speaker 3: people that are so territorial about it and so competitive
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Speaker 3: about it, or they just like to show off their knowledge,
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Speaker 3: and you know that's not you know, if you love
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Speaker 3: metal so much, you gotta really give back to it.
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Speaker 3: You can't keep it exclusive. You're gonna like you're gonna
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Speaker 3: suffocate it. You know, it needs oxygen. These new blood
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Speaker 3: and so like give it some air to breathe. And
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Speaker 3: I kind of feel like that's sort of the direction
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Speaker 3: blood of Gods of Wisconsense and is kind of advocating like, hey,
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Speaker 3: don't forget this should be fun. You know, we should
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Speaker 3: celebrate this. It's supposed to be enjoyable. It's not just
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Speaker 3: like a measuring contest, like hey, check out my vocabulary,
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Speaker 3: look at my collection, or you know that's that's that's
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Speaker 3: that's not it here, You're missing the point.
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Speaker 1: The book features original essays, interviews, full color artwork, amazing artwork,
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Speaker 1: and wine right commendations from a lineup of iconoclass vintner's
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Speaker 1: and metal heads. Tell us who you spoke to for
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Speaker 1: this book? I know Maynard James Keenan is the big one.
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Speaker 1: He's from Tool Perfect Circle puts a fer, He's in
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Speaker 1: the book. Who else is in the book?
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Speaker 3: I'm thinking off the top of my head. The ones
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Speaker 3: that sort of jumped out to me that are in
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Speaker 3: the musical realm is Greg Anderson. He he plays in
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Speaker 3: this band called Son, but he's also maybe as well
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Speaker 3: known for Uh. He's the head of Southern Lord Records.
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Speaker 3: They do more like sludgy, Southern doomy stuff, avant garde
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Speaker 3: kind of stuff. In the past has also been like
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Speaker 3: Cradle Filth, you know, have an interview with Danny he
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Speaker 3: was the vocalist for Cradle Filth in there. And in
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Speaker 3: the past. There's been others too, such as like Paul
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Speaker 3: Mazerkowitz from Cannibal Corpse, he's their drummer. Trying to think
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Speaker 3: of some of the more recent ones. Brian Slagel, he
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Speaker 3: founded Metal Blade and he was a super cool guy,
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Speaker 3: super nice. I feel like everyone's just been really magnanimous
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Speaker 3: and generous. They're because I think they know and this
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Speaker 3: again not to be a dead horse, but it's like
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Speaker 3: they understand when you're a fan, you know that it
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Speaker 3: means a lot to have someone help you out or
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Speaker 3: give you a leg up, or to just extend the
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Speaker 3: olive branch, you know, when it comes to pursuing that
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Speaker 3: passionate thing that you're into. Yeah, it's been it's been
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Speaker 3: just so humbling in so many ways.
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Speaker 1: Astrology is also part of this book. This is really cool.
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Speaker 1: We learn which wine is best for us based on
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Speaker 1: our sign thanks to Emily Dunaway Henrix, so tell us
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Speaker 1: about Emily. Also, we should give a shout out to
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Speaker 1: the artist Colin Strada who he puts together a chalice
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Speaker 1: for each sign in the book.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so what we did, and this is where it
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Speaker 3: gets like fun, because it gets kind of geeky for me,
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Speaker 3: is like, you know, if you're into wine, this is
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Speaker 3: probably nothing new. But for you, if you're just kind
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Speaker 3: of the Laperson like wine as a whole rainbow of
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Speaker 3: different types of wine, different styles of wine, different types
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Speaker 3: of grapes. And there's some biodynamic producers, meaning they work
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Speaker 3: under the teachings of Steiner, who kind of really believed
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Speaker 3: in having this closed loop with nature where you're not
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Speaker 3: killing nature, you're collaborating with nature. You're not stealing in
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Speaker 3: the nature, you're using nature's forces to kind of help you.
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Speaker 3: And this could be anything growing grapes or could be
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Speaker 3: growing vegetables in your garden and biodynamics. One of the
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Speaker 3: things that's kind of fun with it is it actually
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Speaker 3: does work with the celestial calendar, so when there's like
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Speaker 3: full moons versus when there's other events, and this is
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Speaker 3: where tapers off for me into winemaker territory. So astrology
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Speaker 3: does play a role in wine making if you go
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Speaker 3: to that degree of it where you're really dialed into
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Speaker 3: that specificity of working with nature. So Emily she really
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Speaker 3: is kind of a unicorn for me because she's super
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Speaker 3: into wine. She's really into head crazy tunes, and she's
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Speaker 3: actually come to I do an annual event every year
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Speaker 3: called the Marymaking. It's here in wah Walla. She's been
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Speaker 3: a couple times now. She's a total trooper coming over
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Speaker 3: from North Carolina. But the cherry on top is Yeah,
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Speaker 3: she's way into astrology, so she's able to really know
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Speaker 3: what these different signs are and it's almost like a
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Speaker 3: Synesesia thing where she knows like this wine is you know,
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Speaker 3: a color, or this wine has a frequency or vibration.
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Speaker 3: It kind of feels like this is the astrology sign
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Speaker 3: that it aligns the most with. Then she would say why.
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Speaker 3: So it's kind of fun. It's also one of those
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Speaker 3: pseudoscience things where it's like if you have a sense
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Speaker 3: of humor and you have an open mind, you'll have
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Speaker 3: fun with it. If you're dogmatic and you're trying to
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Speaker 3: be the fun Police, then you might as well just
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Speaker 3: keep flipping pages.
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Speaker 2: Booked on Rock Podcast will be back after.
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Speaker 3: This short pause.
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Speaker 1: Hold your breast.
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Speaker 3: For the dynamic duo.
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Speaker 1: There's also an interesting piece in the book written by
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Speaker 1: Will Farley. It's titled Metal Moments in Wine, Myth, History
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Speaker 1: and Practice. The first entry is on the birth of Dionysus,
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Speaker 1: God of Wine and ritual madness. This is really cool.
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Speaker 1: Talk about this chapter.
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Speaker 3: Well, those a writer and he works in food and
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Speaker 3: beverage and hospitality in New York and he's contributed a
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Speaker 3: couple times. And what I've really appreciated about him is
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Speaker 3: he is that bridge between facts in history, and he
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Speaker 3: presents it in a way that just sounds almost hyperbolic,
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Speaker 3: but it's all true. I mean, you don't have to
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Speaker 3: exaggerate some of these things, so truth being stranger than fiction.
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Speaker 3: He's really just saying, here's some of these myths and
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Speaker 3: legends that I persisted in time. Some of them are
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Speaker 3: truly just myths, but then there are real ones where
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Speaker 3: you talk about thousands of years ago, how people would,
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Speaker 3: you know, make wine and sometimes they would use bones
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Speaker 3: and different things in the process, and it became a
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Speaker 3: bit more occult or a bit more rich realistic. So
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Speaker 3: it's fun because he gives you essentially, I think it's
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Speaker 3: like four or five of these, uh, you know, deep
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Speaker 3: dives into history about when in wine's past has it
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Speaker 3: really shown you how metal it can be and how
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Speaker 3: how brutal or crazy or just esoteric. So yeah, he's
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Speaker 3: he's awesome. Dionysis. You know, the god of the God
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Speaker 3: of Wine is always kind of one of the mower
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Speaker 3: referenced folks. But I love that there's just a lot
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Speaker 3: of like natural pagan things that are baked into it,
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Speaker 3: where it's just like the seasons and it's just like ritual.
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Speaker 3: It's just like in anything where you talk about harvest
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Speaker 3: and things that happen in a cyclical nature in the year,
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Speaker 3: and you just kind of really give a little special
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Speaker 3: credence or reverence to those times when hey, the the
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Speaker 3: field is follow or hey we're going to harvest, and
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Speaker 3: making that a moment to say cheers, let's like celebrate
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Speaker 3: what nature's given us.
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Speaker 1: Maybe my favorite part of this book is the chapter
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Speaker 1: titled Spell, Spirits and SIPs. A Magical Guide to Wizards,
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Speaker 1: Witches and Wine, And they have all the famous wizards
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Speaker 1: in this like Gandalf and Merlin, Moleficent.
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Speaker 3: That's kind of a good example of like in this book,
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Speaker 3: you know, like I said at the beginning, it's kind
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Speaker 3: of the greatest hits of like the publication to date.
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Speaker 3: But also we wanted to give something to people that
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Speaker 3: had followed it for a while, so there's new and
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Speaker 3: unreleased material in there. And that's one of them, which
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Speaker 3: is we had five I think it was four or
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Speaker 3: five Master Saumier's contribute to these different wizards, which is
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Speaker 3: warlocks like what wine are they drinking? And why? And
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Speaker 3: what's fun if you're not aware is master Psalms. It's
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Speaker 3: the highest level of attainment in wine where I think
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Speaker 3: they just awarded a handful of others this distinction. But
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Speaker 3: there's like approximately let's say two hundred and fifty in
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Speaker 3: the world that have been able to do this, and
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Speaker 3: that's in the last fifty years. So in the last
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Speaker 3: fife's only two hundred twe people have been able to
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Speaker 3: like do this thing. It's it's just so advanced, it's
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Speaker 3: so off the charts. It's basically like having like an
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Speaker 3: astronaut or some nuclear physicist or nuclear submarine captain, like
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Speaker 3: weigh in on my little fun Rinking Dan book or
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Speaker 3: my zine. So I'm just like over the moon that
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Speaker 3: they're like into it. But I think they also understand
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Speaker 3: that this is for fun, this is for pure, pure fandom.
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Speaker 3: You know, we want to enjoy this stuff. We want
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Speaker 3: to like we basically got the tiger by the tail,
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Speaker 3: you got the Creme de la creme. Like these people
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Speaker 3: that operate the highest level of wine to have fun,
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Speaker 3: let their hair down, actually tell you, hey, what is
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Speaker 3: what's sorrowman? Drink? What's in his cup? You know, we're like,
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Speaker 3: what about I forget? Who else? Gandalf? Of course he's
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Speaker 3: in there. I think there's also Maleficent, Double Door, the
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Speaker 3: Baba Yaga. What are those guys and gals drinking? And
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Speaker 3: but also more importantly like why is it them? And
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Speaker 3: it kind of so kind of fits with their personality.
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Speaker 3: Let's just say so if you read the book, you'd
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Speaker 3: be like, oh, well, this is why I think they met.
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Speaker 3: What a couple of made funny references unbeknownst to each
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Speaker 3: other that like Gandolf was definitely down with smoking weed and.
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Speaker 1: Oh yes, I pulled that quote that was actually from
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Speaker 1: Andrew Myers. He says Gandalf is a straight up stoner,
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Speaker 1: so I trust he's looking to get torn up and
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Speaker 1: crash like a well fed hobbit. But he's also a
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Speaker 1: classy bitch.
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Speaker 3: And that's just like the reward for me in itself.
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Speaker 3: It's like, oh man, it's like I don't know, I'm
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Speaker 3: trying to think of like a good analogy, like maybe
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Speaker 3: in sports or something where it's like, you know, you
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Speaker 3: got this like MVP quarterback and he's going to give
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Speaker 3: you the time to day and just sort of like
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Speaker 3: chew the fat with you about oh yeah, let's have
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Speaker 3: fun and you know, be goofy and creative. And I
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Speaker 3: think a lot of people that read it it just
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Speaker 3: feels more real or feel they can see that it's fun.
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Speaker 1: And there's a chapter what's so punk about Wine? Tell
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Speaker 1: us about this chapter and what kind of responses you've got?
17:54
Speaker 3: I think what's the punk about wine? The thing I
17:56
Speaker 3: like about it, you could make the case for is
17:59
Speaker 3: some metal too. But I think the thing about punk
18:02
Speaker 3: is that it was the do it yourself mentality, like
18:06
Speaker 3: anyone can do it if you know where there's a will,
18:10
Speaker 3: there's a way, you know, if you really like this thing.
18:13
Speaker 3: There's sort of that spirit of like for me, punk
18:16
Speaker 3: is like questioning the status quo. It's challenging authority or
18:21
Speaker 3: challenging conventions. Punk Rock to me is also like anyone
18:26
Speaker 3: can do this, not just like older people, not just
18:29
Speaker 3: white people, not just any it's anyone can do this.
18:32
Speaker 3: And so I love that, like some of the newer
18:35
Speaker 3: wine wineries, I should say, have that punkiness to them
18:38
Speaker 3: where they're like, we're gonna say who dares wins, and
18:42
Speaker 3: we're gonna try this thing out, and we're gonna like
18:44
Speaker 3: kind of shirk convention a little bit because we've always
18:47
Speaker 3: wanted to try wines that were made in this style
18:50
Speaker 3: or made in this way or using certain techniques. And
18:53
Speaker 3: so I loved when I was hearing more and more
18:56
Speaker 3: people and that's, you know why I had that section
18:58
Speaker 3: in the book there, how they've been doing things a
19:02
Speaker 3: little bit that have been edgy or frowned upon, and
19:08
Speaker 3: come to find out they were maybe on the bleeding
19:10
Speaker 3: edge of the next trend because they were the ones
19:12
Speaker 3: that stuck their neck out. And to me, that's like
19:15
Speaker 3: being punk is when you're not looking for permission, you're
19:18
Speaker 3: kind of like seeking seeking your own truth, in your
19:20
Speaker 3: own way forward. So that was like awesome just to
19:23
Speaker 3: sort of see like I wasn't forcing a narrative, because
19:26
Speaker 3: sometimes in this book there's points where I'm like, is
19:30
Speaker 3: this too heavy handed? Does it sound like I'm leading people?
19:33
Speaker 3: And that absolutely was not the case. There where people
19:36
Speaker 3: were over the moon to talk about what they took
19:38
Speaker 3: from punk and applied in the wine world in their
19:42
Speaker 3: experience is awesome.
19:43
Speaker 1: Stacy Buchanan is the author of Blood of God's Metal
19:46
Speaker 1: Mayhem Wine. You spoke with Brian Slagel. We mentioned this earlier.
19:51
Speaker 1: The founder of the legendary label Metal Blade, His taste
19:55
Speaker 1: and talent for finding crucial heavy tunes also crosses over
19:58
Speaker 1: into an appreciation for He talks about how he became
20:02
Speaker 1: a lover of wine thanks to a meeting with the
20:04
Speaker 1: band Loudness.
20:05
Speaker 3: They ordered a few bottles worth over five hundred dollars
20:09
Speaker 3: ask him to try. So, yeah, that sounds like that
20:11
Speaker 3: was one of those cool things where I feel like
20:15
Speaker 3: if people just suspend disbelief and they're like, all right,
20:20
Speaker 3: here's someone just try it, Like I actually didn't make
20:22
Speaker 3: this wine. You're not gonna hurt my feelings, you know,
20:24
Speaker 3: Like and the price next to it. Also that he
20:28
Speaker 3: mentions that same thing that can almost be a complete
20:31
Speaker 3: power of suggestion moment. You know, where he was talking like, oh,
20:34
Speaker 3: here's a five hundred dollars bottle wine, then you're probably
20:37
Speaker 3: predisposed and thinking like, oh, this is good and I
20:39
Speaker 3: should like this and this is really tasty, come to
20:41
Speaker 3: find out as he mentions elsewhere in there, and this
20:44
Speaker 3: is like important for anyone that's hearing this is like
20:46
Speaker 3: rust your palette, like because I've had bottles of wine
20:49
Speaker 3: they're like twenty bucks, twenty five dollars, thirty dollars that
20:52
Speaker 3: are just like amazing, and I'm totally over the moon
20:55
Speaker 3: and totally happy, completely satisfied and not left one scene
20:58
Speaker 3: at all. So it's de you know, just like any
21:02
Speaker 3: art where you know, what is the value? This is
21:04
Speaker 3: all subjective anyway, you know, we're talking about a painting
21:07
Speaker 3: or we're talking about it an album, and so I
21:10
Speaker 3: kind of love that, you know, to pad it's all
21:12
Speaker 3: over the boat. The punk thing of it is too.
21:15
Speaker 3: It is, you know, challenging the status quo, and that's
21:19
Speaker 3: and that's kind of like I think one of the
21:20
Speaker 3: things that people think, oh it's got to be expensive,
21:22
Speaker 3: to be good, No, not really so yeah, Brian kind
21:25
Speaker 3: of proves that point.
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22:11
Speaker 1: to the show you mentioned Maynerd James Keenan. Let's go
22:15
Speaker 1: back to him again because that was a big get
22:17
Speaker 1: for you. Talk about getting an interview with him for
22:20
Speaker 1: this book.
22:21
Speaker 3: He was probably I would say like my, you know,
22:25
Speaker 3: my white whale, because he's he kind of is that
22:27
Speaker 3: perfect Vent diagram where it's like, all right, he's got
22:30
Speaker 3: one foot firmly in each camp where wine and metal
22:34
Speaker 3: or you know, whatever you want to describe or you know,
22:36
Speaker 3: I don't want to be the genre police, but you know,
22:39
Speaker 3: wine in heavy music, that's kind of his thing. And
22:41
Speaker 3: so interviewing him was a little intimidating, just because I
22:45
Speaker 3: knew that from talking to people that knew him or
22:48
Speaker 3: had interviewed him, because I think he's so and I'm
22:52
Speaker 3: just kind of saying this out loud, unfiltered, but I
22:55
Speaker 3: think it's just really under a microscope so often because
22:58
Speaker 3: he has so many diehard fans and so many obsessive
23:03
Speaker 3: fandom that they really are probably like punishing in a
23:08
Speaker 3: number of ways with their with their admiration. You know,
23:11
Speaker 3: it's like geeking out about tool, from the art to
23:14
Speaker 3: the music, to its time signatures, to all these little
23:16
Speaker 3: like details. I feel like it's probably uh, it's probably uh,
23:23
Speaker 3: which I say expected that, you know, he is a
23:26
Speaker 3: little bit more reserved because he is so under that
23:28
Speaker 3: microscope for me interviewing him, though. The one advice I
23:31
Speaker 3: was told is like, actually, just like keep it to wine,
23:34
Speaker 3: you know, like don't don't you don't even need to
23:36
Speaker 3: talk about music that much because he's been doing that
23:39
Speaker 3: for like decades and decades at that point, and so
23:42
Speaker 3: we just talked about music and kind of geeked out.
23:44
Speaker 3: And one of the commonalities is, you know, he's in Arizona,
23:47
Speaker 3: which is very uh uncommon in the wine world, but
23:52
Speaker 3: I love that that's kind of on the bleeding edge
23:54
Speaker 3: of the wine world where I'm from, and wah Walla
23:57
Speaker 3: has got a lot of similarities. It's like a hot,
23:59
Speaker 3: ara dry climate, so we can kind of speak a
24:01
Speaker 3: little bit of the same language because we're kind of
24:04
Speaker 3: in that same climactic region as far as the ground,
24:09
Speaker 3: the minerals, the tear war, and that's kind of what
24:12
Speaker 3: he's dealing with. So we just talked about wine and
24:16
Speaker 3: him and his wife, well say especially his wife, because
24:19
Speaker 3: that's kind of how it came together. I think she
24:21
Speaker 3: just admired the spirit of the of the publication, like, oh,
24:25
Speaker 3: this is like fun it's irreverent, it's got heart, it's
24:29
Speaker 3: also you know, it's funny, but it also has like
24:31
Speaker 3: a little bit of you know, I don't want it
24:33
Speaker 3: to be too academic or educational, but I do want
24:35
Speaker 3: it to have something that dicks and I feel like
24:38
Speaker 3: if I was just a one trick pony, and I
24:40
Speaker 3: was just like the onion or something, you know, I
24:43
Speaker 3: love the onion. It's like the satire is like hilarious,
24:45
Speaker 3: but then it's just becomes a one dimensional thing, a
24:49
Speaker 3: one trick pony. I'm like, oh, I want to have
24:50
Speaker 3: something that has some stained power where people are like, oh,
24:53
Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
24:53
Speaker 1: There was an interesting question that you asked him about
24:57
Speaker 1: regarding the parallels between wine making and metal music in
25:01
Speaker 1: terms of the region, the climate, the conditions, and his
25:04
Speaker 1: response was interesting, it's an intersection between art and nature
25:08
Speaker 1: with not just wine making but also making music.
25:11
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think that's like. That's so it's just
25:15
Speaker 3: good advice for any discipline or any craft, which is
25:18
Speaker 3: sort of like have a plan, but be flexible because
25:21
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, nature's got the last word.
25:23
Speaker 3: You know, you could have everything planned without it within
25:26
Speaker 3: an inch of its life and just like dialed in
25:28
Speaker 3: and perfect and precise. Yes, what a wildfire is coming through?
25:33
Speaker 3: Oh shoot, there goes that. Or hey, there's you know,
25:36
Speaker 3: a hurricane, or there's a you know, anything that you know.
25:39
Speaker 3: That's that's kind of I think where I don't know.
25:43
Speaker 3: I love that he talks about it because it's also
25:47
Speaker 3: the magic of it. To me, it's like there is
25:49
Speaker 3: this like thing that's out of your control. You're just
25:52
Speaker 3: kind of like this shepherd that's sort of like pulling
25:54
Speaker 3: these ideas together and you have an idea and it's
25:58
Speaker 3: more of a direction. It's not like a place that
25:59
Speaker 3: you arrive at. And I think that's kind of at
26:01
Speaker 3: the heart of what he's you know he's talking about
26:03
Speaker 3: is like you're kind of co creating, you know, with
26:06
Speaker 3: mother Nature. You know, she's like, here's the colors you're
26:09
Speaker 3: gonna have for this vintage. He's like, Okay, this is
26:11
Speaker 3: the color's palate I'm going to work with. And I
26:14
Speaker 3: like that because I think it gives you a perspective
26:17
Speaker 3: of being in a state of allowing and you're not
26:21
Speaker 3: attached to the outcome or the expectations as much. It's
26:24
Speaker 3: just like the the active creating is really kind of
26:29
Speaker 3: a cool thing. I think ego could get kind of
26:31
Speaker 3: conflated in that, so I think that's like he takes
26:33
Speaker 3: his ego out of it.
26:34
Speaker 1: This book does break down the stereotypes, and one of
26:37
Speaker 1: them is that wine is just for white guys, right,
26:42
Speaker 1: and there's that chapter in the book that talks about
26:45
Speaker 1: some of the quote unquote badass women and wine that
26:48
Speaker 1: you spoke with talk about this chapter.
26:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think, yeah, I mean, men and
26:54
Speaker 3: women they have the same agency over their senses, you know,
26:58
Speaker 3: like you know, taste, smell, hearing, all that stuff. It's
27:02
Speaker 3: not like one gender is predisposed to, oh they smell,
27:06
Speaker 3: Aroma's in frequence is better than the other. Oh oh, they
27:09
Speaker 3: actually have a better palete than the other. Like not
27:11
Speaker 3: at all. And if we're being completely honest with you,
27:13
Speaker 3: I would say women probably have better palets then, And
27:16
Speaker 3: that's just me, and maybe that's like a spicy, quick
27:18
Speaker 3: hot take for you. But I feel like what I
27:21
Speaker 3: want to shows that we're really just having these grapes
27:27
Speaker 3: from nature processed or you know, I don't even know
27:31
Speaker 3: if you want to say like manipulated, because they're not manipulated,
27:35
Speaker 3: but it's essentially saying you're sort of like shepherding these
27:38
Speaker 3: through a natural process, which is where they break down.
27:43
Speaker 3: There is a cellular deterioration. You know that it gives
27:47
Speaker 3: off alcohol because yeasts are consuming the sugars and YadA YadA.
27:52
Speaker 3: Not to get to sciencey, but how can one gender
27:55
Speaker 3: be better just guiding that process along than the other,
27:59
Speaker 3: And it's in retal question. I mean, of course, neither
28:03
Speaker 3: is better than the others. So I want to make
28:04
Speaker 3: sure that there's gender equity because if I'm really being
28:08
Speaker 3: honest and I am wanting this to be inclusive and equitable,
28:13
Speaker 3: then I do need to make sure that women have
28:16
Speaker 3: a place at the table too. I mean, we live
28:18
Speaker 3: in this really, you know, not to get too political,
28:20
Speaker 3: but we live in a dystopian healscape right now, and unfortunately,
28:23
Speaker 3: women are treated like second class citizens. And that's garbage,
28:27
Speaker 3: you know, coming from punk and DIY. I was always
28:31
Speaker 3: that anyone's allowed here, the misfits, the black sheep, the outsiders,
28:36
Speaker 3: the marginalized, Like those are my people. That's who I
28:38
Speaker 3: hang out with, That's what I want to hang out with.
28:40
Speaker 3: And you know, right now in the world, women are, unfortunately,
28:44
Speaker 3: like I said, second class citizens. So it makes me
28:46
Speaker 3: a little bit feel like I need to, you know,
28:50
Speaker 3: not be a crusader, but I just need to be
28:51
Speaker 3: a little bit of a reminder that, you know, we
28:54
Speaker 3: need to think about the team, and the team's everyone,
28:57
Speaker 3: you know, when it comes to enjoying this stuff. And
28:59
Speaker 3: if you do like this, you need to wave the
29:01
Speaker 3: flag high and say, hey, we need new blood in here.
29:04
Speaker 3: We need fresh faces or it's going to die out.
29:05
Speaker 3: You know, we need people from all all kinds of
29:09
Speaker 3: walks of life. And so yeah, they the people, the
29:14
Speaker 3: badass women and wine that are there are essentially trailblazers.
29:17
Speaker 3: The ones that were I mean, I'm talking about back
29:20
Speaker 3: in the day, which is probably even harder than it
29:22
Speaker 3: was now in such a male dominated industry to go
29:27
Speaker 3: out of their comfort zone. And maybe it's not even
29:29
Speaker 3: a comfort zone thing. It's like they just ad the
29:31
Speaker 3: bravery to push the dial or to to say, hey,
29:36
Speaker 3: I want a spot at the table too. That whole
29:38
Speaker 3: article was penned by Emily Wines. I just have to
29:42
Speaker 3: pause because that's literally her last name. It sounds like,
29:44
Speaker 3: you know, her fate was spelled out for her from whatever.
29:48
Speaker 3: But she she's a master som.
29:49
Speaker 4: So Again that that group of you know, two hundred
29:52
Speaker 4: and fifties people in the world, she was actually their
29:55
Speaker 4: chair for I don't know how long, how many years,
29:58
Speaker 4: but she he gets it and she's and I mean
30:02
Speaker 4: the title of it is not a novelty because women
30:05
Speaker 4: shouldn't just be like a novelty or like a token.
30:07
Speaker 3: Like oh we got we got a woman here, give
30:09
Speaker 3: us a gold star. It's like that should be normal.
30:12
Speaker 3: And so no one should be getting a gold star
30:15
Speaker 3: for doing something at the bare minimum or something that's
30:17
Speaker 3: just should be that should be the norm. So yeah,
30:21
Speaker 3: that that definitely had to give some recognition and that's
30:26
Speaker 3: and that's awesome just to kind of like make sure
30:28
Speaker 3: that you know, people know this. It's heavy metal, but
30:31
Speaker 3: it's weird. If you look at like on my social media,
30:33
Speaker 3: it's like almost way more equitable than I would have thought,
30:37
Speaker 3: Like I think it's like sixty percent men, forty percent women,
30:40
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, it probably was only like
30:42
Speaker 3: ten or twenty percent. You know of women would be like,
30:44
Speaker 3: oh this is cool. It's like guess what it's like
30:46
Speaker 3: actually double that. And you know, I just had my
30:49
Speaker 3: annual marry making event and that was wild because there's
30:53
Speaker 3: so many men and women of all social strategy. You
30:57
Speaker 3: can imagine at the tasting of Ben itself, but after
31:00
Speaker 3: party concert even in you know, the pit moving around
31:03
Speaker 3: and you're like, wow, this is really cool just to
31:05
Speaker 3: see this many people that's so diverse. It's really cool.
31:08
Speaker 1: The interview with Rune wind Zonner James Callahan another really
31:11
Speaker 1: interesting one. Run Winds is an off grid winery and
31:13
Speaker 1: tasting room in Arizona, and he likens discovering wine to
31:17
Speaker 1: a sci fi story.
31:19
Speaker 2: Yeah.
31:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, he kind of like, if you're not familiar, Rune
31:23
Speaker 3: Wins is awesome there in that same stomping ground as
31:26
Speaker 3: mayn Ord James Keenan we were just talking about. So
31:28
Speaker 3: they're in Arizona, a very unlikely place, and he kind
31:31
Speaker 3: of has this really cool concept with his wine labels
31:34
Speaker 3: where each label is sort of like one panel of
31:38
Speaker 3: a comic book. So the story takes a really long
31:41
Speaker 3: time because we're talking multiple wines, multiple vintages, and you
31:44
Speaker 3: see kind of the story push along down on the timeline.
31:48
Speaker 3: So his his whole thing was, and I'm gonna butcher it,
31:51
Speaker 3: but just for you know, Brevity's sake, It was about
31:54
Speaker 3: sort of how a celestial event where venice vinipra, which
32:00
Speaker 3: is the science word for grapevines with essentially like pollinated
32:05
Speaker 3: on this planet and throughout the cosmos for all we know,
32:09
Speaker 3: and h and so it's grown here on planet Earth.
32:12
Speaker 3: And it kind of follows that whole storyline of like
32:16
Speaker 3: wizards and this plant that came here from who knows
32:19
Speaker 3: where in the cosmos and has now been essentially like
32:24
Speaker 3: worked itself into every facet of humanity from cultures all over,
32:29
Speaker 3: from like you know, Eastern Europe, like Georgia to Australia
32:33
Speaker 3: and everywhere in between. So it's pretty cool to take
32:38
Speaker 3: take a niche and go even deeper in geek year
32:40
Speaker 3: with it.
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Speaker 1: We also have the name generators in this book. This
33:25
Speaker 1: is cool. We have the death metal winery name Generator.
33:29
Speaker 1: The wine horror name generator too. How'd you come up
33:31
Speaker 1: with this?
33:32
Speaker 3: That was actually from issue one, so it's kind of
33:34
Speaker 3: fun to see that it had sort of like the
33:38
Speaker 3: staining power. I guess you could say the very first
33:40
Speaker 3: one was the death metal winery name Generator. And I'm
33:44
Speaker 3: gonna bring it up on mine because I'm going to
33:45
Speaker 3: do yours for you. So what's your first initial and
33:48
Speaker 3: what's your last initial? I'm gonna I'm gonna like do
33:51
Speaker 3: this for you.
33:51
Speaker 1: So first initial is E, last initial is S.
33:54
Speaker 3: Okay, so your death metal winery name is and I'm
33:59
Speaker 3: gonna say the last wine you drank was a grenache
34:02
Speaker 3: because that was the last one I have, just so
34:04
Speaker 3: we can kind of like just so we could like
34:06
Speaker 3: churn this thing out. And so your death metal winery
34:08
Speaker 3: name is going to be Beastly Funeral Blood. So that
34:13
Speaker 3: sounds pretty brual.
34:14
Speaker 1: I love it.
34:14
Speaker 3: Beastly Funeral Blood. That is the name of your death
34:17
Speaker 3: metal winery. So it's just meant to be like silly.
34:19
Speaker 3: That's even like we did something elsewhere it was like
34:23
Speaker 3: daring or I think it was right when the pandemic
34:25
Speaker 3: got done and it was like your weekend plan Generator
34:29
Speaker 3: so it's like, here's the last person you texted, and
34:33
Speaker 3: what was the last live concert you saw, Because at
34:35
Speaker 3: the time pandemic when we couldn't socialize, you're like, oh
34:38
Speaker 3: my gosh, I haven't been to a concert and I
34:39
Speaker 3: don't know how long. Those kinds of things just to
34:42
Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, you have to laugh sometimes
34:45
Speaker 3: because this world is so chaotic.
34:47
Speaker 1: There's also a wicked wine term or brutal band name.
34:50
Speaker 1: I love this one. The font also is the Iron
34:53
Speaker 1: Maiden font.
34:54
Speaker 3: Well, that's just kind of like to illustrate that, Hey,
34:56
Speaker 3: you know some of this stuff, you know sounds brutal
34:59
Speaker 3: and it's actually like a wine term. So there's things like,
35:02
Speaker 3: I mean, some of these because of you know, the
35:05
Speaker 3: nature of your show, people are gonna be on it.
35:07
Speaker 3: But some wine people might not get a band name,
35:09
Speaker 3: and some music people might not get a wine name.
35:11
Speaker 3: So when you hear things that are like maceration, you
35:15
Speaker 3: know that sounds like a brutal death metal band, or
35:18
Speaker 3: if you are doing let's see, what was another one here,
35:21
Speaker 3: like well, acid bath acid bath is you know you
35:25
Speaker 3: could that could sound like a wine making term. But
35:27
Speaker 3: even like noble rot, you know that's an actual wine
35:31
Speaker 3: term philoxra, you know, and these things that's actually like
35:34
Speaker 3: a pest that can kill vines, crusher, distemmer, carbonized, oxidized,
35:42
Speaker 3: you know, one of those is actually banned. One of
35:44
Speaker 3: those is actually a wine term, soil work, you know,
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Speaker 3: I think that maybe is one people have heard of.
35:49
Speaker 3: It's a Swedish band. But then you got like volatile acidity,
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Speaker 3: which is like, that's actually just a wine term, so
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Speaker 3: it's meant to be fun. There's like seventeen of these
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Speaker 3: where the idea, which sort of implied but not really
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Speaker 3: explicitly said, is like, oh, doesn't wine sound kind of
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Speaker 3: brutal because some of these some of these terms in it.
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Speaker 3: And then the upcoming issue not to like dispose prize.
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Speaker 3: But there's actually this term called necro mass, which is
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Speaker 3: the term essentially for the trillions and uncomprehension incomprehensible amount
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Speaker 3: of the dead cells that are like microbial, they're like invisible,
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Speaker 3: but you put trillions in chillism. That essentially is what
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Speaker 3: soil is and what you know, dirt is, is like
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Speaker 3: this necro mass, which essentially helps retain moisture for the plants.
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Speaker 3: It kind of helps insulate them in a number of ways.
36:41
Speaker 3: So we have a soil scientist that's he goes really
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Speaker 3: like fun and he is essentially describing how these vines
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Speaker 3: are sort of like this evil sorceress and she's able
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Speaker 3: to command these legions of cells and microbial entity. She
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Speaker 3: will absorb them. And this is one of those truth
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Speaker 3: the strangers the fiction things, because it's all true, it's
37:04
Speaker 3: all science, but still absorb microbes through her roots, actually
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Speaker 3: pull them through her vascular system. They give her nutrients,
37:10
Speaker 3: she'll spit them out and actually give them like a
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Speaker 3: little biochemical armor, and then they go do her bidding
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Speaker 3: again and then come back to her. And it's just
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Speaker 3: this crazy thing that scientists are finding when they're getting
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Speaker 3: down to that really small microbial level. How roots talk
37:27
Speaker 3: to microbes, talk to fungus, talk to algae, and they're
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Speaker 3: all that system that you know, isn't I wouldn't say
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Speaker 3: it's the last frontier because I think a lot of
37:36
Speaker 3: people know about it, but we just don't know a
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Speaker 3: lot about it and how how those networks talk to
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Speaker 3: each other and communicate and help each other.
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Speaker 1: All right, So let's finish with because sadly we lost
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Speaker 1: Ozzie Osbourne this week, so let's talk about that because
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Speaker 1: he is in the book. Here, we've got a really
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Speaker 1: cool illustration. There's a chapter called called Metal Icons Pairing,
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Speaker 1: and this is where you'll see a really cool drawing
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Speaker 1: of Ozzie there also with Lemmy. This is by Justin Moore.
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Speaker 1: Illustrations by Ryan Caskey.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I so Justin Moore. He is the contributor that
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Speaker 3: penned it, and he's one of the master songs. I
38:10
Speaker 3: think there's probably like about a dozen or so that
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Speaker 3: I've worked with over the last five years. So the
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Speaker 3: icons are Lemmy from Motorhead, You've got George Fisher, George
38:22
Speaker 3: Corpse Grinder Fisher from Countable Corpse, Ozzy of course, and
38:25
Speaker 3: then Danny Filth from Cradle of Filth, and he kind
38:28
Speaker 3: of based on their personality, based on their music, based
38:31
Speaker 3: on all that stuff. It's like, this is what I
38:32
Speaker 3: think they're drinking, and this is why I think this
38:34
Speaker 3: is what fits for Ozzy though, I mean, yeah, just
38:38
Speaker 3: hit me so hard, you know, when he passed away recently.
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Speaker 3: But Justin, you know, he's kind of like your your
38:45
Speaker 3: guide along the way, so he kind of decodes things,
38:49
Speaker 3: you know, all this stuff sometimes can feel a little
38:51
Speaker 3: bit jargony, and so he kind of helps translate these ciphers.
38:54
Speaker 3: But yeah, so he's as though you may find the
38:57
Speaker 3: Godfather's likeness on a bargain bottle blended California One. I
39:01
Speaker 3: doubt the Prince of Darkness pops that quark. When dealing
39:05
Speaker 3: with years of overindulgence, one finds that less is more
39:09
Speaker 3: and quality is preferred to quantity. And he kind of
39:11
Speaker 3: goes on to talk about, you know, Grand Crew Burgundy,
39:15
Speaker 3: which is like going to be Pino and No War.
39:16
Speaker 3: In his instance, he lists a certain area in particular
39:21
Speaker 3: that it's like kind of like the Krem to the krim,
39:23
Speaker 3: like the the cream of the crop when it comes
39:26
Speaker 3: to Pino and No War. But yeah, sometimes you can
39:29
Speaker 3: find a bottle, like he mentions, like I think it
39:31
Speaker 3: was like for one hundred bucks. But then sometimes you
39:33
Speaker 3: can find one if it's been aged for years or
39:37
Speaker 3: decades that could be in the thousands of dollars. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: And I think I mentioned this before, you know, we
39:42
Speaker 3: really started the interview, but in the preamble with you know,
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Speaker 3: Ozzie is kind of like larger than life, and even
39:49
Speaker 3: though it was young, kind of starstruck at the time,
39:51
Speaker 3: it was almost more out of like respect, you know,
39:53
Speaker 3: you don't want to meet your heroes, kind of feels
39:56
Speaker 3: like it would like break the spell a little bit
39:58
Speaker 3: or something. At that time, I was twenty and Jack
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Speaker 3: and Kelly were about four or five years younger than me,
40:05
Speaker 3: which when you're twenty someone that's like fifteen or sixteen,
40:08
Speaker 3: that's like it feels like a really big gap when
40:11
Speaker 3: you're older, four or five years is like nothing. But
40:13
Speaker 3: since they were the closest to us in age, me
40:16
Speaker 3: and the team I was with at the time would
40:19
Speaker 3: pal around like all the time, like kids would summer camp,
40:23
Speaker 3: you know, go to the mall. You'd just kind of
40:24
Speaker 3: be geeky, nerdy kids and hang out. And you know,
40:27
Speaker 3: I probably only actually interacted with Sharon maybe like a
40:29
Speaker 3: dozen or so times, But I really love that she
40:31
Speaker 3: had that sweetness like a mother bear, you know, or
40:35
Speaker 3: like a MoMA hen where like she would protect you
40:38
Speaker 3: and look out for her team and her crew, and
40:40
Speaker 3: like had that fierceness but was always like so kind
40:45
Speaker 3: like all the time. I just like really cherish those memories.
40:49
Speaker 3: You know, I've seen her.
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Speaker 1: This was back in two thousand, you what was your
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Speaker 1: assignment for that.
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Speaker 3: Two thousand and two thousand and one. So for that
40:56
Speaker 3: for the two thousand tour, I was a sponsor representative
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Speaker 3: for essentially like a giant artists signing area. So when
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Speaker 3: like Ozzie or you know, a band like Incubus or
41:09
Speaker 3: Queens of the Stone Age would do autograph signing sessions,
41:12
Speaker 3: it'd be in this large area that was a conglomerate
41:15
Speaker 3: of New Line Cinema hot topic, Fye and I think
41:18
Speaker 3: one or two other entities that I kind of shared
41:21
Speaker 3: this space, and it was like promoting like their new
41:23
Speaker 3: products or New Line Cinema, their new movies and different
41:26
Speaker 3: things like that, and it played host to when bands
41:29
Speaker 3: would do autograph signing sessions there. The next year, I
41:32
Speaker 3: did it for Alternative Press because at that point I'd
41:36
Speaker 3: been writing for them a while and they just signed
41:38
Speaker 3: on to do the official program guides for each stop.
41:41
Speaker 3: And each stop. I mean, you probably know this and
41:44
Speaker 3: your audience does too, but the concerts range from like
41:47
Speaker 3: the smallest one was like eighteen thousand people to sixty
41:50
Speaker 3: thousand people, so they're like big shows, So you had
41:53
Speaker 3: to have like thousands of programs at each stop. And
41:57
Speaker 3: I think it was maybe like thirty two thirty three
41:59
Speaker 3: shows each on each tour, So that was that was
42:02
Speaker 3: definitely like, you know, one of the most crazy stuff
42:05
Speaker 3: i'll I've ever seen, and I was like, you know,
42:08
Speaker 3: it's hard to talk, but in two thousand and one,
42:11
Speaker 3: I think it was definitely like feeling the eye of
42:14
Speaker 3: the storm, because that was even a quantum leap above
42:17
Speaker 3: that I think in terms of reputation, where slip Knot
42:21
Speaker 3: was on it, Marilyn Manson was on it, you know,
42:25
Speaker 3: hate Breed. It was just that that tour was insane.
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Speaker 1: That's cool though. You have a great memory of meeting
42:31
Speaker 1: the Osbourne So you got to meet Ozzie.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just like once or twice and again it was like,
42:35
Speaker 3: if anything, I would probably do mirror or just be like, hey,
42:37
Speaker 3: nice meet too. We're just trying to vanish out of
42:40
Speaker 3: there as quickly as possible because you know, he's you know,
42:43
Speaker 3: there's not too many people that I mean now, I
42:46
Speaker 3: feel like there's not a bad caliber people that have
42:48
Speaker 3: you know, like their own security and have you know,
42:51
Speaker 3: like they're just at that level. It's it's pretty wild.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll be missed, man, But I like how this
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Speaker 1: page has the picture of Lem and Ozzy next to
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Speaker 1: each other, and I like to think that maybe they're
43:03
Speaker 1: hanging out right now, jam and somewhere.
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Speaker 2: Oh God.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, that's the thing that makes it go down
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Speaker 3: a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Smootherer Stacy, if you can and the author of Blood
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Speaker 1: of God's Metal Mayhem line, it's out now, find out
43:13
Speaker 1: wherever books are sold? And Stacy, where can people find
43:16
Speaker 1: you online? Where can people find out more about the magazine?
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Speaker 1: Anything you want to put out there?
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Speaker 3: I would say the best, the easiest place to go
43:24
Speaker 3: to kind of the funnel to find everything you'll need
43:26
Speaker 3: is seek it out on Instagram. It's Blood of God's zine.
43:31
Speaker 3: From there, you can find where the book is, you
43:33
Speaker 3: can find how to subscribe, you can find merch all
43:35
Speaker 3: that stuff. So just go on Instagram look for Blood
43:37
Speaker 3: of God Zine and I'm on there, and you know,
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Speaker 3: happy to answer questions, happy to collaborate with people, always
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Speaker 3: looking for like ideas for contributions and editorials and all
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Speaker 3: of it.
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Speaker 1: Awesome, Stacy, thank you so much for being on the show.
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Speaker 1: Congrats on the book.
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Speaker 3: Thank you much appreciated. That's it. It's in the books.