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Our Blues | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 71 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Tiba K Rambles, where a couple of
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  friends review Korean dramas and welcome back to another episode.
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  We are going to review our Blues today and for this episode I am
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  joined by Curtis from Infatuation Podcast.
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  Hey, Curtis, how are you? Hey, Jess, how's it going?
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  It's going well. Welcome back.
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  Welcome. Back, yeah.
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  And I also have Brandon from the Poacher Playlist podcast.
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  How are you, Brandon? I'm doing well, thank you for
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  the invitation. It's my first time on here.
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  You did an episode with Jenny from Poach a Playlist a few
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  episodes back, maybe one or two years ago.
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  I think that was on Goblin, right?
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  Yeah, we did Goblin and then she came back and we did your
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  beautiful that throwback and that was a lot of fun.
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  So I am so glad that you were keen to join for Our Blues
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  because I'm told that you really love Our Blues.
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  And the same goes for you, Curtis, that you are both fans
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  of this show and could bring a lot to the table, maybe a lot of
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  context. And just we're glad to talk
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  through this show. And this was my first time
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  watching this show. So I was like, I need people
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  who, you know, have been kind of simmering in this already and
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  I'm super excited to get to get going on this really quick.
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  What are you guys watching recently and what are you guys
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  enjoying in the Asian drama world?
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  If if you guys don't mind just kind of sharing what's on your
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  plate right now? Poach a playlist just finished
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  reviewing Midnight romance in Haguan that has we ha Jun in his
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  first leading role in a romance that was great and we are going
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  to be wrapping up a typical family.
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  That's a drama that me and my Co host Andy.
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  We really like that drama for this year.
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  I think we're going to rank it pretty well.
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  Yeah, same. I I just finished an episode on
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  a or an atypical family. I loved it as well and actually
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  currently, for better or for worse, I am watching Miss Day
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  and Nights. Miss day and nights.
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  Some actors from yeah, from our Blues.
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  There's a couple actors from our Blues in there, so yeah, I won't
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  give any opinions on that one just yet.
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  We got a couple more weeks on that one.
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  OK yeah, I did a big poll the other day on my Instagram
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  stories to see what people were feeling.
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  We are just past the halfway mark in 2024.
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  See what people are feeling about the best dramas of 2024.
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  And overwhelmingly people were saying an atypical family was
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  their favorite drama. Was the best drama of 2024,
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  followed by Lovely No no lovely runner I think.
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  Lovely runner, yeah. Yeah, those two were the top two
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  of the year. Pocha Pocha approved that one.
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  Yeah, I know, I know. So this is exciting.
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  I can't wait to get going. But before we do, if this is
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  OK, so we are going to get going on our Blues.
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  This is actually going to be pretty difficult for us because
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  there are so many people in this cast.
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  There are so many storylines that we can talk about.
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  We are going to do our best to talk about as many as we can
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  within a reasonable time frame because we don't we're we don't,
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  we're not made of time. So we're going to get.
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  Comfortable people. Yeah, so here we go then.
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  I put together this like Frankenstein of a Netflix slash
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  Wikipedia synopsis and here it is really quick.
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  Romance is sweet and bitter and life riddled with ups and downs
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  in multiple stories about people who live and work on bustling
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  Cheju Island. The series revolves around the
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  sweet and bitter lives of people at the end, climax or beginning
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  of life and depicts their stories in an omnibus format,
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  which is basically telling stories of diverse characters
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  that are somewhat interconnected in one way or the other.
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  So Our Blues aired from April to June 2022.
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  I kind of feel that this, especially in terms of the
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  international K drama audience, this show was underrated, flew
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  under the radar for everybody. I think people were still
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  reeling from 2521, which had just finished airing in this
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  same time slot. Then Our Blues started.
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  People were still all about 2521 and about the end famous ending
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  on that show. And then after Our Blues
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  finished airing, it was preceded by Alchemy of Souls, which the
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  international audience ate up with gusto.
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  So. And coincidentally, both of
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  those shows have episodes on the 10 box feed if you want to
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  scroll back and listen to those. But I feel really badly about
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  Our Blues, especially when it comes to its reception
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  internationally, because I don't feel like I kind of got a chance
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  to really get there, you know? It's 20 episodes long, so it's a
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  little longer than I think people maybe nowadays,
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  especially new arcade drama fans are used to, but that is
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  traditional format, 20 episodes long, so it's nice to see.
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  Directed by Kim Kitay, he's directed a long list of dramas,
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  including A Love to Kill from O Five.
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  That's with Shimina, Worlds Within, Iris with Eve, Young
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  Gun. When I saw Iris on there, I was
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  like, oh. Yeah, yeah.
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  Iris Bro Padam Padam, which is with Hanjimin.
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  All of these actors are in our Blues that winter.
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  The wind blows with Choin Song and Song Akio.
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  He won best director at the 49th Beck Song Awards on this drama.
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  He directed It's all right, This is love from 2014, which is one
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  of my favorite dramas. Super good drama.
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  Secret love, moon lovers, scarlet heart Rio, which we
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  covered at the end of last season, season 4 bed buck feed.
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  If you want to go back and listen to that, he covered, he
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  directed Liv and he will be directing The Trunk, which is a
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  Netflix show airing sometime this year with Kong Yu as the
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  star. So that's Kim Kyute, I think
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  very, very decorated and well regarded director.
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  He's been around for a minute or two and he's worked with some
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  top talent. Do you guys like this director?
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  Do you like his stuff? I haven't watched a ton of his
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  stuff, to be honest. So yeah, just looking at this
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  list, I don't think I've watched any of these all the way
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  through. Oh, OK.
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  Besides, besides our Blues, yeah.
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  Unfortunately I can't say that I've seen any of these titles,
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  but I do know that like Moon Lover, Scarlet Heart, that's
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  super popular so that's always been on my list.
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  I might have to check it out. OK, Godspeed.
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  The show Our Blues was the show Our Blues was written by Noi
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  Kyung. She's been writing dramas since
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  the 90s, so this is just a few of the dramas that she's
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  written. Her beautiful story from O 4
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  this stars Koh Duchim. She's one of the one of the
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  actresses in our Blues world's within Padam Padam that one of
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  the wind blows. It's all right.
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  This is this is love. Four of the same dramas that the
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  director has directed. So she's worked with the
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  director basically five times before our Blues.
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  And then Dear My friends from 2016, she wrote with Kim Hee JA,
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  which is the terminal mom in our Blues.
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  This show won best screenplay at the 53rd Bexhung Awards.
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  So really, really decorated and and you know, she's been around
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  for a while. Screenwriter pretty well tested,
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  I would say. And in looking at this, I have
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  watched Padam Padam, or at least I watched maybe like half of it.
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  And then I kind of got a little sidetracked with another drama
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  or whatever. And I and I basically dropped it
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  out of like I watched something else and then I never went back
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  to it. But it wasn't like an
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  intentional drop, you know what I'm saying?
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  Like there's a difference between a life happened and I
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  watched something else. And like, yeah, I didn't
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  necessarily hate it. I would say that's a very
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  spiritually, very similar to our Blues.
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  Not that it's the same format, omnibus format with a lot of
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  different interconnected stories, but I would say Eben's
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  character is very similar to the male lead in Padam Padam.
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  So when I heard, when I saw that she had written that, I was like
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  both of the director and writer had worked on that.
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  I was like, oh, that makes too much sense.
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  So if you want something along those lines, check it out.
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  And then we're going to get into this cast.
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  So here we go. We're only going to we're going
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  to talk about a handful of people in this cast at length
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  and then. We're because there's like 50 of
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  them. I want to get this out there.
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  This is an All Star cast. This is a well regarded
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  decorated cast. OK?
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  Every one of these people has been on TV screens, has worked
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  with each other as well as the director and the writer before,
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  and it's all intertwined and there's a lot of history coming
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  into the show and putting together.
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  This is like Avengers Assemble here and going through and
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  making this spreadsheet, I would say for this cast felt like
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  making before End Game. It was like, Oh my God, we had
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  to have watched all this stuff beforehand to get like the
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  gravity of this movie. That's what it felt like making
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  this. My sister called it flash cards
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  when she saw what this looked like in here, 'cause it's like
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  their photo, the name of the character, their name,
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  everything. So here we go.
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  Eviogan plays Idung Sok, a truck merchant who was born in Chechu.
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  He has been in about 36 movies, including most recently Concrete
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  Utopia. He's been in an emergency
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  declaration, the Fortress. He played the T1000 in
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  Terminator Genesis. Matt, you're already laughing
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  Memories of the Sword from 2015, which I really liked that movie
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  for some reason. I watched it and was like, whoa,
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  this is mind blowing. And I tried to get it like in my
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  own personal collection of Blu rays, Masquerade from 2012,
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  which is an excellent, excellent movie.
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  It is the inspiration for the show The Crowned Clown.
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  Again, excellent show. So a lot of movies here going
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  even further back, I saw the Devil from 2010.
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  I recently saw this movie. And then I did experience a
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  little bit of Satan in this movie watching it.
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  He won the Day Song the grand prize in 2011 at the Beck Song
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  Awards for his role in I Saw the Devil.
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  Totally deserved. He was in Iris the movie.
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  This is back when the Cage dramas.
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  If they were so successful, they would do multiple seasons.
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  They made a sequel. Rare.
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  Then they would do another sequel that was a movie.
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  So this was where this was like the High School Musical
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  blueprint where it was like High School Musical, High School
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  Musical two and then High School Musical three was in theaters of
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  theatrical release. That's Iris the movie.
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  So other movies like Joint Security Area, Hero, Good Bad,
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  the weird, tons of things. He's got nearly 26 credits from
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  television. Squid Game is most recent.
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  I think he was frontman Mr. Sunshine.
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  Iris again. I bring up Iris because he won
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  Best actor at the 2010 Beck Song Awards for his role in Iris.
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  I have to be honest, I did not finish Iris when I first watched
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  I. Haven't seen it either.
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  Yeah, but yeah. Love Mr. Sunshine.
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  Love Squid Game. Yeah, he's he's classic.
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  Yeah, he's great. Classic classic K drama and film
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  actor. He I kind of consider him more
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  of a film actor, but how do you guys feel about EBO Nunn?
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  I I just love him but. I I definitely consider him a
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  film actor and I saw The Devil as one of my favorite horror
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  movies. And I have a great memory.
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  My my mom and I were visiting Korea and she was like, oh,
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  there's a new young movie do you want to go watch?
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  And I was like, Are you sure? She's like, yeah, it's young and
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  we got to go watch it. But she doesn't.
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  She didn't know what it was going to be about you.
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  Were like 12? How old were you?
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  You saw this with your mom. Yeah, I was around that age.
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  Yeah, but she, she didn't know what it was going to be about.
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  And and Chiming Chick is one of my favorite actors and hers as
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  well. He plays the the villain in the
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  movie, but her, her, her, you know, her face was in her hands
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  the entire time. But I loved it.
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  I thought it was great. Oh God it's so concerning like
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  the whole movie is. Yeah.
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  Pins and needles. Anyway, highly recommend,
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  definitely highly recommend it. And actually I have a a poll up
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  on the on the Patreon feed because there's a bunch of
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  movies that I've I'm looking to cover maybe, but I can't cover
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  them all for spooky season, which is coming up really fast.
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  And that's one of the movies that's on there.
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  I don't know if people realize like what it is.
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  And I'm really terrified to rewatch it, but I'll do it.
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  I'll do it for the pod. You know what I'm saying?
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  Like I'll brave it again. I'll do it for the pod.
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  So his mother in the show is played by Kim.
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  Hey JA, she plays Kangok Thong is the name of her character.
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  This woman is prolific. She's the first and only person
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  to have won the Tea Song four times at the Back Song Arts
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  Awards in 7989, 2009 and 20/19. She was on a recurring Almost
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  Like Days of Our Lives, but the show was called Country Diaries
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  in which she appeared for 22 years.
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  And this is notable because it made her a household name and it
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  cemented her image among the South Korean audience as an
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  iconic, unconditionally loving and self sacrificing mother.
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  Which comes into play because Our Blues that is called into
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  question that whole persona that she has built over the course of
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  her career playing amazing strong mothers.
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  She's been in five move only 5 movies and one of them is mother
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  from 2009. This is a very famous Bong Joon
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  Ho movie that Bong Joon Ho like famously was like I wouldn't
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  have created like I went after her to play this character and
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  it took years for her to agree to do it.
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  And I wouldn't have done it if it if she didn't play the title
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  character. And she was the first because of
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  this movie. She was the first actress to be
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  named best actress by the LA Film Critics Association.
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  It was so impactful I'd highly recommend watching it.
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  Plus one bin plays her son in the movie.
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  She's been in 90 plus TV dramas. If you if you look online I
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  think Wikipedia has it all. Asian Wiki doesn't have it all,
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  but she's been acting since the 60s and some things I know her
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  from are Princess Hours is the number one thing that I know her
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  from. She's the Queen Mother.
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  That's 2006. I loved her in that.
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  I thought she was so precious and she's been in things like
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  Dear My Friends from 2016 and then she was in The Light in
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  Your Eyes in 2019 with Hanji Min.
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  Also in our Blues. She won the grand prize, the
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  song for this role that she did in The Light in Your Eyes at the
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  55th Bexhang Awards. So she is really, really
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  decorated, really well known and I don't think international
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  audiences necessarily get the the big thing of putting her in
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  this role opposite Ebiogan. Yeah, definitely not in this
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  role. Definitely not Mom of the Year.
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  For this. Character that she's playing,
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  but yeah, she's great in this, you know, you feel for her.
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  Yeah, she does a lot to you in this in this one.
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  She does a lot to you exactly like she manhandles us.
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  She, she will make you feel, yeah.
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  She will make you feel something, yeah.
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  Yeah, So following her up, we got Shin Mina.
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  She plays Min so Na, a single parent with a child who came to
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  Jeju and works with Yi Dong Sok. I don't think that's necessarily
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  right. That's one like Wikipedia, but
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  let's keep it vague. That's fine.
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  That's fine, fine. She's been in 15 movies,
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  including A Bittersweet Life from 2005.
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  This is a reunion for her and EB Yungun because EB Yungun and her
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  starred in A Bittersweet Life together.
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  Yes, so very famously. And then she's also been in 15
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  TV shows. Everyone knows her from hometown
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  Cha Cha Cha. In 2021, that was a beloved
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  pandemic show. She's in chief of staff seasons
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  1:00 and 2:00 Tomorrow with You, Oh my Venus Arang and the
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  Magistrate. My girlfriend is a Kumio, so on
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  and so forth, but she's had a very long career.
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  She's household name as well, and she famously has also dated
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  chemo bin for I don't know how long.
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  I really don't know how long they've been dating, but it's
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  been a really long time. A long time.
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  Yeah, maybe close to a decade that they've been dating.
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  So what do you guys feel about Shimena?
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  Have you guys seen Bittersweet Life?
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  That was one of the first EB on the movies I've ever seen, no?
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  Kidding. At the time, I didn't know who
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  she was. I knew who, you know, I was just
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  discovering him. But after I rewatched it and I
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  was like, oh, that's Shimena. Yeah.
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  Yeah, she's great. You know, I think she's
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  fantastic. She's great in this role too.
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  We'll talk about it, but yeah, she stole this drama for me.
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  Like she really cared. Really.
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  Oh, that's so nice to hear. So we're going to follow her
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  with E Chungun, who plays Chunguni, the owner of a fish
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  store who has bubbly charm. I didn't write that part.
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  So she's been in 34 movies, including her first movie role
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  was in Mother 2009 with, yeah, the same Fung Jun Ho movie.
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  She was I Chung's relative. I don't know, some bit part in
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  there, I guess. And then she's been in the
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  wailing from 2016. She plays talkies wife.
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  Listen, the wailing. I had to like sit down and like
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  practice meditative breathing after that.
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  Like that movie put me in a state.
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  I don't know why I decided to watch horror movies at like
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  midnight when I'm trying to fall asleep.
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  I'm like, yeah, I can press play.
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  I'm like, these are really scary movies and think I'm going to
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  sleep well tonight. And I don't know what possesses
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  me to do this, but I'm not. It's not just once or twice that
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  I've done this. And this one I think I did in
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  December. I watched The Wailing and I had
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  I, I was wrecked. I mean crazy eyes wrecked after
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  that one I watched. So then she's also been in Okja
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  from 2017. Do you guys remember Okja?
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  Of course, Bung Jung Ho, right? Yeah, yeah.
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  She's in Battleship Island in from 2017, a taxi driver and of
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  course, Parasite from 2019. They did her dirty with a Peach,
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  Peach fuzz in that movie. She's been.
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  Yeah, she's been in 43 TV shows. I can't tell you what they all
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  are. We'd be here all day.
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  But some of them include Weightlifting Ferry Kimbukchu
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  from 20/16/2017 with Jong Nani from the Swag crew.
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  They are both in our Blues. She was in Tomorrow with you
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  alongside She Nina Fight for My way while You Were sleeping.
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  Mr. Sunshine alongside Yves Yungun.
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  She's been in familiar wife the light in your eyes both with Han
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  Ji Min and Kim Kim Hijab when the camellia blooms with Kole
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  Duchim. Like all these all these people
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  have worked together or have like been in the same shows
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  together. Juvenile justice from 2022.
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  She's been in daily dose of sunshine and most recently
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  Curtis Miss Night and day from this year, which I think is
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  currently airing. Yeah, yes.
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  So she's had a very illustrious, long, long life, as you know,
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  people's mothers, people's aunts.
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  And I think she's finally getting the the roles that I
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  would love to see her in that I'm really satisfied seeing her
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  in. And I love her as an actress.
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  I always perk up when I see her in a project.
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  Yeah, she's, she's got a toughness to her, but a warmth
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  and silliness. Yeah, she's she's got a really
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  wide range. She's fantastic in this one too.
• 22:34
  Yes. So one person we wanted to shout
• 22:37
  out as well was Chasungun, who plays Hansu, and he's related to
• 22:42
  her story. He returns to the hometown early
• 22:46
  on in the show. He's like in the first three
• 22:47
  episodes, basically, and he masquerades as a perfect urban
• 22:51
  man. And he is then his first love.
• 22:55
  He's been in like 30 movies and 14 TV shows, including A Korean
• 23:02
  Odyssey and The Greatest Love. I remember seeing him in The
• 23:06
  Greatest Love and I was like, Oh my God, it's that ridiculous guy
• 23:09
  from The Greatest Love when I saw him in our Blues.
• 23:13
  He's quite famous in Korea. So how do you guys feel about
• 23:17
  this guy? Did you have have you guys seen
• 23:18
  him in other things? Oh, yeah, he's, he's really
• 23:20
  famous in Korea 'cause he also is a model.
• 23:23
  I mean, if you just, I mean, just clearly look at him see
• 23:26
  like Holly is. Yeah.
• 23:28
  But I, some of my favorite movies recently have him.
• 23:31
  So Night in Paradise, he plays an amazing gangster in that a
• 23:35
  really fun action series called Tokjun, also known as Believer.
• 23:39
  He was in the first and second of those.
• 23:41
  And then there was another movie recently called Sinkhole, where
• 23:44
  he plays a great character in that movie as well.
• 23:47
  So he is. He's a bona fide movie star.
• 23:49
  He's a movie star. Yeah, Yeah.
• 23:52
  So to follow him up, we got Kimo Bin.
• 23:55
  This was oh, he plays PAC Jung Joon, a captain with a direct
• 24:00
  and warm nature. This is this is his comeback
• 24:06
  descriptions. I know these descriptions.
• 24:08
  His comeback show since he was diagnosed with nasopharyngeal
• 24:14
  cancer sometime in 2017, which was a bombshell back after
• 24:20
  uncontrollably fond in 2016 came out.
• 24:23
  Then it was revealed that he was struggling, had been diagnosed
• 24:26
  with cancer and he was going to be taking a prolonged break from
• 24:29
  acting. So this is his comeback.
• 24:32
  This was he hadn't done anything since 2016, so this was a big
• 24:37
  deal for Kim Woobin to reappear and be healthy and look great
• 24:43
  and everyone was happy to see him in a show with Shin Min now,
• 24:47
  which was is his long time love. They were not playing lovers in
• 24:53
  our Blues and you might recognize him as well from the
• 24:57
  airs in 2013. We have an episode on the airs
• 25:03
  as well on the Timber Feed if you want to scroll back and
• 25:06
  listen. So that that was fun.
• 25:09
  He's been in Gentlemen's Dignity and most recently he was in
• 25:12
  Black Knight on Netflix show from 2023.
• 25:15
  So Kimo Bin, I think everyone loves Kimo Bin, but he doesn't
• 25:21
  have a long resume like other actors and actresses on that
• 25:25
  we've discussed so far that we've covered so far, Yeah,
• 25:28
  yeah. Shoulders for days though, like
• 25:31
  shoulders from it was coast to coast on this guy.
• 25:34
  Yeah, he's pretty tall looking and got a good smile on him.
• 25:40
  And yeah, people seem to really enjoy Kimovin, but.
• 25:44
  Why not? Yeah.
• 25:45
  Why not Sure. Sure, I think it.
• 25:50
  Wait, is he the last one? I think.
• 25:52
  He's yeah. I think we better.
• 25:54
  The audience out there was like, Oh my gosh.
• 25:57
  That we have agreed to discuss at length.
• 26:01
  OK. There are many, many more.
• 26:03
  No, there's way more where that came from everybody, but we're
• 26:06
  just. Don't mention them.
• 26:09
  Yeah. What did you guys think of our
• 26:12
  Blues when you first watched it? And if you rewatched it, how did
• 26:17
  you guys feel after the rewatch this time around?
• 26:20
  Yeah, I agree with you, Jess, that this flew under the radar
• 26:23
  from me. I didn't pick it up as it aired.
• 26:26
  I picked it up maybe a year later, I think cuz Brandon
• 26:29
  recommended it to me. He Brandon said that he really
• 26:33
  loved this one and I should check it out.
• 26:34
  And I was like, well, if Brandon says I should check it out, I
• 26:37
  should watch it. And so I started it and yeah, I
• 26:40
  love this kind of drama. I love ensemble casts.
• 26:43
  I love intertwined stories. I think it may be like we just
• 26:48
  talked about the cast and there's a lot of stars in it,
• 26:50
  but the stars are solid and they're prolific, but they're
• 26:55
  not necessarily the kind of stars that you say, oh, I have
• 26:59
  to watch that drama because so and so is in it.
• 27:02
  Like, I don't think for me at least, there's that person for
• 27:07
  me that makes me say, oh, I have to watch that drama because so
• 27:10
  and so is in it. But once you get started it, it
• 27:13
  just sucks you in. The storytelling is fantastic.
• 27:16
  Yeah. So I, I, I didn't notice it
• 27:18
  right away, but yeah, I picked it up.
• 27:20
  It's kind of later after, after hearing other people talk about
• 27:24
  it. So it's kind of one of those
• 27:25
  dramas, I think. And you liked it?
• 27:27
  Absolutely. I liked it.
• 27:28
  Yeah. OK.
• 27:29
  I'll talk to you more when we get to the ratings.
• 27:31
  I'll talk to you more when we. Get to OK, OK, OK.
• 27:33
  So, Brandon, let me know what do you think of the show?
• 27:37
  Yeah, so for poach a playlist, we we actually picked this title
• 27:41
  up. So we watched it from the first
• 27:43
  day that it came out. And for me, you know, IB young
• 27:45
  Hon is one of the greatest actors.
• 27:48
  So there was no way that we weren't going to pick this up.
• 27:51
  I mean, this was his venture back into another K drama and
• 27:55
  the ensemble cast, as Curtis mentioned, really drew me in.
• 27:59
  I loved the format where it's a it's set in Chejo and you have
• 28:05
  different vignettes, like every two episodes is set on a
• 28:08
  different relationship and it's all intertwined.
• 28:10
  It's kind of like a anthology and it all kind of ends
• 28:15
  perfectly and it just tells this phenomenal story of all of these
• 28:19
  great characters played by wonderful actors and actresses.
• 28:23
  I mean, what's not to like for a drama like this?
• 28:25
  It made me laugh. It made Jenny cry.
• 28:28
  There's I don't want to misspeak, but I think this might
• 28:31
  be one of the dramas that Jenny and I go back to the most.
• 28:34
  And it's for specific scenes. Jenny and I will say, Oh my God,
• 28:39
  remember that one scene from our Blues off?
• 28:40
  We have to go turn it on. And we'll just like, Fast
• 28:42
  forward to that one scene and we're like, oh, this is an
• 28:44
  amazing, amazing. This is a masterpiece.
• 28:46
  And we'll just cycle through that every once in a while.
• 28:49
  Yeah, I so I didn't pick it up in 2022 when it aired and it
• 28:56
  really had nothing to do with anything.
• 28:58
  Like I was just watching other things and watching things for
• 29:02
  the podcast as well. So, and I have to say, slice of
• 29:06
  life is not my bag. It takes a lot for me to think,
• 29:11
  oh, I need to watch this slice of life show and I need to watch
• 29:13
  it right now. Slice of live shows have a long
• 29:16
  shelf life and so to me, it's never, there's never a sense of
• 29:21
  urgency to watch it. And for some reason, like I just
• 29:29
  never gravitate towards slice of live shows.
• 29:31
  It's takes something really special to drag me in and hold
• 29:36
  my attention. And for some I really enjoy it
• 29:41
  and for others I I don't like for famous ones too.
• 29:46
  What's a famous slice of life like?
• 29:47
  The Reply series is a really famous slice of life set of trio
• 29:52
  of shows and for those I only like one of them.
• 29:57
  And the most famous one that everyone raves about.
• 30:00
  I don't really enjoy it that much.
• 30:02
  It was not an enjoyable experience to watch it.
• 30:05
  So if there was any hype around our Blues I didn't hear it.
• 30:09
  And if if there was anybody speaking nice things about it, I
• 30:13
  was like, OK, another good show that I have to put on my
• 30:16
  extensive watch list of like, hundreds of shows at this point.
• 30:21
  Like, it's take a number. You know what I'm saying?
• 30:23
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 30:25
  So it wasn't until this, you know, late last year when I was
• 30:29
  putting together the lineup that I was like, you know what, I
• 30:31
  kind of do want to press play on our Blues 'cause I took a closer
• 30:36
  look at the cast and I was like, you know what, I kind of I'm
• 30:40
  feeling it. I was in the mood.
• 30:42
  I've said this before, I'm a mood watcher.
• 30:45
  And later on, after I had already put it on the docket for
• 30:49
  season five of Tabak, I saw a scene of Shimena in the show and
• 30:56
  I was like, Oh my God, thank God.
• 30:59
  I'm already planning on watching this show because this scene is
• 31:03
  tremendous. And I won't say what it is.
• 31:06
  I will, I'll say what it is in spoilers, but I was like taken
• 31:10
  aback by the incredible depth of the scene and the way it was
• 31:15
  acted and the incredible cruelty from some of the character, the
• 31:21
  other character that was playing, playing the scene with
• 31:23
  her and the subject matter of what the character was, what her
• 31:29
  character was going through. And I was like, well, shit, if
• 31:32
  that's one character and there's a whole plethora of characters
• 31:37
  that the show is about, then absolutely like, sign me up.
• 31:42
  Because I run the risk of getting bored when there's so
• 31:46
  many characters and it's an ensemble cast.
• 31:48
  I don't want to be in it for like one or two people.
• 31:51
  And then the rest I'm kind of like, oh, OK, whatever, that's a
• 31:53
  fine story. I felt like every story had
• 31:58
  merit. Every story was important, every
• 32:02
  storyline was interesting. And even though some are more
• 32:08
  like favorites definitely and maybe some made me cry and
• 32:13
  others didn't, but overall I felt like the stories and the
• 32:18
  show was super well done. I thought it was brilliant and I
• 32:22
  had a wonderful time. I appreciated getting to know
• 32:26
  the characters like I was at the end of the show.
• 32:28
  I was like, it was an honor to like watch this show and
• 32:31
  experience this little corner of Teju and, you know, be in this
• 32:38
  in their little slice of life, you know, and I think that's the
• 32:41
  goal of slice of life. And maybe I'm like, I have too
• 32:44
  high of a standard for a slice of life where I like want to be
• 32:49
  so immersed and so honored and in love with every character.
• 32:56
  Even if I don't like the character, I'm like, I'm happy
• 32:59
  to be here and watching your story.
• 33:00
  You know what I'm saying? That so many don't meet my
• 33:05
  standard and I just get bored or I check out at some point and
• 33:10
  this one exceeded my expectations.
• 33:13
  So from everything like from the way it was shot, it was
• 33:17
  stunning. The location, the vistas,
• 33:20
  everything about Cheju was so beautifully captured.
• 33:26
  The music was great, even the stuff that wasn't OST, it was
• 33:30
  very ratatouille, French music, cooking, playlist type music
• 33:37
  that was playing and I was like, this is right up my frickin
• 33:39
  alley. The way it was shot again, like
• 33:43
  cool handheld shots. They were kind of taking some
• 33:45
  risks, like they were shots of being in the passenger seat POV
• 33:51
  alongside characters. Someone opens a door and the
• 33:55
  camera follows them through the door and stuff like that is
• 33:59
  really immersive and makes you feel like you're just a family
• 34:02
  on the wall versus stuff that's a little more static or, you
• 34:08
  know, immovable things that feel a little more staged.
• 34:12
  And this felt like you were in it in the action with them and
• 34:17
  walking through the door with them, going into their house
• 34:19
  with them, getting in the car with them and things like that.
• 34:23
  Really, you know, if you're not paying attention, you you just
• 34:26
  feel the effects of it. But that is really difficult to
• 34:29
  do, right? Like technically difficult to do
• 34:33
  over and over again for 20 episodes over so many different
• 34:37
  stories. So really appreciated that
• 34:40
  attention to detail in the cinematography and I the acting
• 34:46
  was so top notch. You know, we have already gone
• 34:49
  through a handful of actors, but there's even more that we didn't
• 34:53
  go through their phommography and discuss them at length.
• 34:58
  But like, honestly, it is a feat just to assemble this amount of
• 35:02
  talent. Yeah, no weak links at all.
• 35:04
  No weak links and it's all good. Everyone is solid.
• 35:09
  Everyone is solid and they covered a lot of themes that K
• 35:14
  dramas just don't tend to do things.
• 35:18
  Themes about, you know, disability, themes about mental
• 35:25
  illness, mental health, fractured relationships between
• 35:32
  elderly parents, you know, mother and son and teen
• 35:38
  pregnancy. Like, you name it, it's in this
• 35:41
  show and they handle it with care.
• 35:44
  So all that just to say it was a great experience and they they
• 35:50
  exceeded my expectation. It was really good, really good.
• 35:54
  Held my attention. Do you recommend this to
• 35:56
  everyone? Yeah, yeah, I think I would.
• 35:59
  I mean, caveat not if you're not a slice of life person, if you
• 36:04
  maybe don't like small town shows, if you've watched a few
• 36:08
  and you're like, I'm not a small town person.
• 36:10
  Like take me back to Seoul, maybe don't watch the show.
• 36:13
  Like sorry to say, like this is not said in the big city.
• 36:16
  Let me see, if you're not a fan of anthologies and that sort of
• 36:22
  storytelling, perhaps this isn't the show for you.
• 36:26
  And especially this one set up per episode.
• 36:31
  So each episode is focused on a different character and their
• 36:36
  journey and it pushes their story forward a little more each
• 36:40
  episode. You'll know who it is the story
• 36:43
  is about because it is named. This episode title is the
• 36:47
  characters names. If that's not your bag, perhaps
• 36:52
  don't watch. So these are very specific, like
• 36:54
  caveats. Don't watch if you don't like
• 36:56
  this sort of thing. But overall I think that it's a
• 37:02
  lovely show, really relaxing at a lot of points and a really
• 37:06
  stressful in a lot of points. So something for everybody.
• 37:11
  Yeah, not a light watch. Definitely one that you have to
• 37:15
  kind of be in the in the mood for and ready for.
• 37:19
  There's not that one romances several love story arcs, but
• 37:24
  some of them are messy and there's a lot of messiness, a
• 37:27
  lot of sadness in this. There's a lot of sad, the themes
• 37:32
  of loss. And you know, if you're a person
• 37:37
  that wants instant gratification in your K dramas, this isn't the
• 37:41
  K drama for you because you're not going to get the perfect
• 37:45
  love story that's A to B to C You're going to get A to C,
• 37:52
  maybe to D. To gamma you.
• 37:55
  Know what I'm saying? Like it like skips around and
• 37:58
  that's how life is like. You don't get easily digestible
• 38:04
  content in this. Yeah.
• 38:07
  So in that case, if you're if you're looking for that and you
• 38:13
  want that in this Seaside K drama, then no, like that's not
• 38:17
  what this is. Yeah, I mean, it's intimidating
• 38:21
  too. Like if you look at 20 episodes,
• 38:24
  like I don't think if I saw it, I don't know if I would turn it
• 38:27
  on right away. Like, oh, twenty episodes,
• 38:29
  that's a lot. But there are no wasted
• 38:31
  episodes. How long did it take you guys to
• 38:34
  get through the 20 episodes? Was it easy to binge or did you
• 38:38
  find yourself needing to just take some breaks and pauses
• 38:41
  because of how heavy some of the subject matter was?
• 38:44
  Good question. I think my wife and I did in
• 38:46
  about two weeks, I think. So we didn't power through it.
• 38:49
  We, we moved pretty steadily. But you know, one a day, maybe
• 38:53
  two a day. I'm not going to do six in a
• 38:55
  row, you know, something like that.
• 38:57
  Yeah, I did the same thing. And that was mostly because I
• 39:00
  was working through holiday weekends, family visits, and I
• 39:04
  could do two to three a day. And then I would do no episodes
• 39:09
  for like 3 days and then I would come in and do one episode and
• 39:13
  then two episodes and so on and so forth.
• 39:16
  So it was really herky jerky my watching, but theoretically, I
• 39:20
  could get through multiple episodes before I got really
• 39:24
  sleepy and then had to like, actually go to sleep.
• 39:29
  But yeah, I think it was really easy for me to watch the
• 39:32
  episodes. I didn't feel like any of them
• 39:34
  were a chore at all. And even when I got through a
• 39:39
  few episodes that were about a favorite character, I really
• 39:42
  resonated with that storyline. And then the next episode is
• 39:45
  something new, a new storyline, and we're pushing something else
• 39:49
  forward. I was like, oh, let's let's look
• 39:51
  at this, let's see this new thing now.
• 39:53
  And I was very open to the other stories.
• 39:57
  And that's something that I think is a testament to the
• 40:01
  writing. It's a testament to the the
• 40:02
  acting and the way that the ensemble cast has so much
• 40:07
  chemistry. And even if you're seeing this
• 40:10
  character's story, you've already seen that character,
• 40:13
  like throughout the other episodes.
• 40:16
  And now you're focusing on like, what's their beef?
• 40:18
  What is their deal? Why?
• 40:19
  Why are they mad? Why are they sad?
• 40:21
  Why are they whatever? Why are they the way they are?
• 40:24
  And it just goes to show that I think in my mind, you have to
• 40:29
  have good writing, then a good cast, and then everything flows
• 40:34
  from there. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
• 40:38
  This drama was nominated for a Three Pics Song Awards Best
• 40:42
  drama, Best director and best Actor for EB Young.
• 40:45
  I was taken aback that he didn't win, but I know.
• 40:51
  Yeah, but it's OK. This OST.
• 40:54
  What did you guys think of this OST?
• 40:57
  I mean, as a big BTS fan, I had to support Chimin, who has a
• 41:00
  great song on here. I feel bad.
• 41:04
  I always forget the other singer on that song because it's it's
• 41:06
  like a duet. Oh yeah.
• 41:08
  But I I do know. That Chimin is on there Ha Song
• 41:11
  Moon is the other singer on the song which is called With You.
• 41:18
  Yep, and I think some of the Espa girls did a song on this as
• 41:23
  well. But overall the soundtrack
• 41:25
  really fits this Teju vibe and it's out of some of the dramas
• 41:30
  that we've seen in the past. I listened to this OST.
• 41:33
  Maybe top three, Top five most listen.
• 41:38
  Oh my gosh, that's so cool. So I forgot that Chimin was on
• 41:44
  the OST because I had in the back of mine, I was like, there
• 41:47
  was an OST that Chimin was on and everyone was really excited
• 41:51
  about it. And then the first time I heard
• 41:56
  the actual song was in the context of the show.
• 41:58
  And I'm watching it and I hear Chimin's voice and I'm like,
• 42:01
  holy shit. I think this is the show that he
• 42:04
  did the OST on. And it was like making
• 42:07
  connections, but it was like really delayed connect
• 42:09
  connections, you know what I'm saying?
• 42:11
  Like, if I was a true BTS fan, I would know exactly like which
• 42:16
  show he was doing this for and what the song was.
• 42:20
  I would have already heard the song in its entirety and all
• 42:23
  this stuff. But yeah, I really enjoyed this
• 42:26
  OSC as well. All the songs are really good.
• 42:28
  You have familiar, like, faces, so to speak, on the OSC.
• 42:33
  You have like Davici is on here at the Yon Mellow Man Stacy
• 42:37
  Punch Highs is on here. Some of the if you look up these
• 42:43
  artists, you'll be like, Oh my God, I love this OSC from XYZ
• 42:47
  other show. So these are really comforting
• 42:51
  sort of artists that provided a wonderful soundtrack to art
• 42:57
  Blues and I thought kept kept thinking over and over, this is
• 43:02
  a really good OSD. Like I got to add some of these
• 43:04
  songs when I get done with this. I got to circle back on this OSD
• 43:07
  and add these songs to my playlist for sure.
• 43:09
  Yeah. Is there anything else you guys
• 43:11
  wanted to talk about before we get into the spoiler section
• 43:14
  'cause we're going to give our scores and then spoiler section
• 43:17
  but. I'm ready to rock'n'roll.
• 43:20
  OK, let's do it. Let's do it.
• 43:21
  OK, so before we get into the spoiler section, what would you
• 43:25
  give our Blues out of fives? Hold your bottles.
• 43:28
  Five being the best and one or zero being like terrible.
• 43:34
  I would give it like 4.5 out of five, yeah, 4.5 out of five.
• 43:40
  Yeah. All right, Curtis.
• 43:43
  All right, You know, I'm. I'm going to give it.
• 43:45
  I'm going to give it five out of five.
• 43:48
  It's on my it's on my Mount Rushmore.
• 43:50
  Wait, wait, wait. It's on my downplay because I
• 43:52
  asked you earlier, you didn't say if you liked it.
• 43:54
  And then I asked you, did you like it?
• 43:55
  And you were like, yeah, yeah. And then you come in hot with a
• 43:59
  5 out of five soldier bottles like you like.
• 44:02
  To you got to add some dramas. We need some tension.
• 44:05
  We need some tension here. No, I I would put it on my Mount
• 44:08
  Rushmore. I would say, you know, top five,
• 44:10
  top four, top five drama for me. Like I really, I, I liked it.
• 44:14
  I liked everything about it. So I would put it up there.
• 44:17
  Definitely. I've only watched it twice.
• 44:19
  I could I could watch it a few more times.
• 44:21
  There's so much going on. So I would again, I don't know,
• 44:25
  like it took me a while to recommend it to my wife, but we
• 44:28
  sat down and we started watching it and, and she loved it as
• 44:31
  well. It's, it's a slow burn, but it's
• 44:35
  such a good burn, you know, so it's so like heartwarming isn't
• 44:41
  the right, it's just, it just hits you, you know, hits you in
• 44:43
  in some good places. So I I would give it a high
• 44:46
  rating. I think my .5 deduction is just
• 44:49
  for some of the storylines that I didn't care that much for, but
• 44:53
  others I absolutely loved. And so I think that's why I gave
• 44:57
  it a .5 deduction. But Curtis, I'm happy that a
• 45:00
  wreck that I gave you made it to your Mount Rushmore.
• 45:02
  That makes me very happy. Yeah, this is full circle
• 45:06
  because Brandon recommended our Blues to you, Curtis, and then I
• 45:10
  think at some point you recommended it to me and then it
• 45:13
  was floating in the ether. And then I'm sure that that
• 45:16
  played into my decision. She'll be finally like, hey, I
• 45:18
  need to watch our Blues. So wow, we're just influencing
• 45:23
  each other is what I'm saying. Well, where do you put it?
• 45:26
  You haven't given us your number yet.
• 45:27
  I think my number is 4.5, maybe five out of five because I loved
• 45:34
  it. It was, it was really a solid
• 45:37
  show. I had almost nothing.
• 45:40
  There's I can't think of anything bad to say about it.
• 45:43
  It's not, it's not, it's not worth like deducting anything.
• 45:49
  Like, I don't know. There are some storylines that
• 45:54
  after seeing the whole body of work, I'm like, OK, that wasn't
• 45:57
  my favorite. But still in the moment I was
• 46:00
  like, oh, this is really hitting me like in I don't know.
• 46:05
  I was still like, it's deep and it's real when I was in it and
• 46:08
  now after seeing it and I was like, all right, that's so good.
• 46:12
  It's up. Worth deducting anything.
• 46:15
  I don't know. I don't know.
• 46:16
  Five out of five. We'll just give it five out of
• 46:18
  five, four and a half, five and five and a five out of five
• 46:21
  soldier bottles. We are going to get into
• 46:24
  spoilers right after this. Excuse me, I can't try.
• 46:29
  I can't try, you know. I have no tingles.
• 46:34
  Oh, sorry. This crossing shit.
• 46:38
  What? All right, we're on the other
• 46:42
  side of spoilers, so anything goes.
• 46:44
  We are going to spoil the storylines in our Blues.
• 46:48
  If you want to preserve your first watch of our Blues, then
• 46:52
  stop listening. Watch our Blues and come back.
• 46:55
  But if you don't care, they keep listening.
• 46:57
  I think the storyline that nobody particularly likes, for
• 47:02
  lack of a better word, is the first one, the first three
• 47:05
  episodes. Am I correct in thinking that
• 47:08
  that's Unni and Hansu's story? Is that right?
• 47:13
  I mean, you need it. You need it there to set up the
• 47:15
  relationships between the other townsfolk.
• 47:20
  Yeah, yeah. Don't love the actual story.
• 47:22
  You need all the periphery things and how she interacts
• 47:25
  with everybody and how she's sort of like the backbone of the
• 47:28
  town financially because she owns this very successful
• 47:33
  business. She owns buildings, and she's a
• 47:36
  very wealthy woman who is still on that grind, you know what I'm
• 47:40
  saying? Like, it also sets up her
• 47:41
  character, her persona. But it is a reunion of first
• 47:46
  loves. And you get Han Soo, who's back
• 47:50
  in the mix. And I for sure thought he was
• 47:52
  going to be a bigger part of the show, like he was going to
• 47:55
  continue living in church. Didn't happen, no.
• 48:00
  He makes 15 minute appearance at the end.
• 48:03
  Yeah, they like brought him back for the final lap and I was
• 48:06
  like, oh, just leave him where he was.
• 48:09
  Like, he didn't even need to be back here in the episode. 20 He
• 48:12
  didn't need that, Yeah. But I did like the old, like
• 48:19
  he's an old banker, burned out, exhausted with life.
• 48:23
  And they had the scene on the beach where he's reminiscing on
• 48:25
  their golden youth, and he's overwhelmed with nostalgia.
• 48:30
  And he runs into the water and floats next to his teenage self,
• 48:36
  who is so young and carefree. And that visual and the the
• 48:41
  juxtaposition of his younger self to his current self was
• 48:46
  something like, I was like, there's something in that.
• 48:49
  And I really felt that where maybe people can relate to that,
• 48:54
  where you feel like life has just beat you down.
• 48:58
  And if you look back on your life and you look back on your
• 49:01
  youth, you, you miss who you used to be, that naive person
• 49:06
  who wasn't concerned with working, wasn't concerned with
• 49:09
  responsibilities, wasn't exhausted all the time, wasn't
• 49:14
  in debt, so on and so forth. The list goes on.
• 49:17
  So that part of their story resonated with me.
• 49:23
  And of course, like the way that it plays out was really
• 49:26
  heartbreaking. Did you guys like feel any type
• 49:29
  of way about it or was it just me that it was like kind of in
• 49:31
  my fields the first three episodes?
• 49:33
  I thought it was an important story to set the stage for the
• 49:36
  village and all the characters. I was just bummed because I
• 49:39
  really like that actor and I thought it would be interesting
• 49:42
  if he was a recurring member across the other episodes.
• 49:46
  We really don't see him after Episode 3 until the the last
• 49:49
  episode. I think when they're playing the
• 49:52
  friendly soccer game. I think it was a soccer game.
• 49:54
  It was like a field day that they had.
• 49:56
  I, I don't even know where they're playing against, like
• 49:59
  other village people that weren't in the in the ensemble
• 50:02
  cast. Yeah.
• 50:02
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But.
• 50:06
  I grew to love when he's character across the the
• 50:09
  episodes and I really wanted her to have some type of love line
• 50:15
  later on and I was shocked that they didn't give her one.
• 50:18
  So then I think back and I'm like, oh, it would have been
• 50:21
  great if she could kind of have some relationship with her first
• 50:25
  love, but obviously it doesn't work out like that.
• 50:27
  But I was kind of bummed for in here as well.
• 50:29
  Yeah, I was so bummed for her. I was so bummed for her,
• 50:33
  especially when she's talking to him like her first love Han SU
• 50:39
  about how she's really hesitant to go on 1st dates and stuff
• 50:42
  like that. She says I think I'm turning
• 50:44
  into an awful person. I measure the pros and cons even
• 50:47
  when it comes to love. I'm a horrible person who only
• 50:49
  cares about my interests. I I think I'll die alone like
• 50:52
  she's she's so hurt by the fact that she might die alone because
• 50:59
  she has all of these conditions right?
• 51:02
  Like for falling in love that she says to him, she rejects
• 51:06
  people because maybe the guy is sick or he's taking care of
• 51:10
  someone who's sick and that means that he wants a caregiver
• 51:14
  wife or he's just interested in me because I'm rich, he's after
• 51:17
  my wealth or he's the eldest son who has to care for his aging
• 51:21
  parents. That'll def she'll definitely
• 51:23
  rejected because that responsibility and burden as she
• 51:26
  sees it would likely fall on her and put a strain on her and
• 51:30
  their brand new marriage. So all of these things, the, the
• 51:34
  responsibility and exhaustion of life and the, all of these
• 51:39
  societal expectations of women especially, she's like, I don't
• 51:45
  know. I don't want to fucking deal
• 51:46
  with that. Like I'm an independent lady.
• 51:47
  I have my own income, I'm wealthy.
• 51:50
  I don't need a man. And like, how's he going to make
• 51:55
  my life better? Basically?
• 51:56
  I don't want him to make my life worse.
• 52:00
  And it's like a I'm like, this is serious.
• 52:03
  Like I don't know how you guys felt about it, but I was like,
• 52:05
  she's she's preaching something good right now.
• 52:09
  Like, I don't know. It was, it was a very real
• 52:13
  lament, I think for her because she she was feeling like she was
• 52:17
  too picky. But I'm like, you can afford to
• 52:20
  be picky. You know what I'm saying?
• 52:23
  Anyway, it was heartbreaking to to see that little story play
• 52:27
  out, but then we get to, I think it's no, we don't get to Shin
• 52:35
  Mina yet, it's Yong Oak and Jong UN story do what did you guys
• 52:40
  think of this story? Wait, refresh my memory on.
• 52:42
  This So Yong Oak is Hanjiman. She is the Oh yeah, OK, younger
• 52:48
  hanyo. Yeah, let's give her a nickname.
• 52:51
  So like she has the sister with the with Down syndrome.
• 52:54
  I don't know a nickname, Brandon, you got a nickname,
• 52:56
  but. Just call her Hanyo.
• 52:59
  Hanyo. Hanyo, OK, the young hanyo.
• 53:02
  So it's her and Chong Joon Kimobin's character.
• 53:06
  OK, yeah, it's a it's a cute love story.
• 53:08
  I mean, it's again, there's it's what I love about this drama is
• 53:13
  that none of this is super clean.
• 53:15
  Everyone's, everyone's got some stuff, you know, everyone's got
• 53:19
  some history, some baggage, secrets.
• 53:25
  And and yet there's this, there's a love story brewing
• 53:29
  throughout the whole drama between these two.
• 53:32
  And you know, he comes through and he's as solid as you can be,
• 53:36
  you know, basically loving her even through her warts and her
• 53:41
  flaws. And she's a great character.
• 53:43
  You know, like she I think she shows some depth in her acting
• 53:47
  ability as well as the way they wrote her.
• 53:49
  Like she's got some real depth to her.
• 53:51
  And I just, yeah, I like this is my second favorite love story in
• 53:55
  this draw. Second favorite, OK, so we'll
• 53:59
  well, I'm sure we'll get to the your first favorite at some.
• 54:02
  Point. So this story was difficult for
• 54:06
  me, I think because I wanted them to get together.
• 54:09
  Obviously, I really loved their romance especially.
• 54:13
  There was such such an effortlessness when they showed
• 54:16
  them together, like especially after like they got together and
• 54:20
  started their relationship. Their little vignettes and
• 54:23
  montages of them spending time together and watching TV and,
• 54:28
  you know, laughing together and things like that, that I was
• 54:31
  like, that's a real relationship.
• 54:32
  Like what is where is Shimena? Because that looks real.
• 54:37
  I was convinced acting is is incredible in this.
• 54:41
  So I was like taken aback completely because they sold me
• 54:48
  on this relationship and their their love, right?
• 54:51
  That she's catching feelings and he was had already caught
• 54:55
  feelings like a long time ago. But he like initially this was
• 55:00
  funny to me initially. He's concerned about her body
• 55:02
  count and he writes down in his in his bus.
• 55:09
  Can I date a woman who's already been in so many relationships
• 55:12
  and all she had shared with him was that she had two past
• 55:17
  relationships. At this point she just says that
• 55:19
  there's two past, she has two exes, that he's as tall as one
• 55:24
  of her exes, and then there's another ex in the mix. 2 guys
• 55:32
  and I go, my guy, it's two exes. What are you talking so many
• 55:38
  Like he has made this story up in his mind that she's got like
• 55:42
  all of these. Guys, they kind of made her.
• 55:45
  Right, right. They kind of made her out to be
• 55:47
  a tease though, you know, like she was teasing with that other
• 55:50
  captain and yes. I wanted to get your.
• 55:52
  Perspective. It made him wonder.
• 55:53
  It made him wonder. Right.
• 55:55
  I wanted to get your perspective on this.
• 55:57
  Because the other captain, who was problematic by the way, she
• 56:02
  goes out with him when she goes dancing or something with him.
• 56:05
  And that escalates, 'cause that guy thinks he has some sort of
• 56:11
  claim like to her because she went out with him.
• 56:16
  They have a drunk night out. I have in my notes as the ugly
• 56:19
  captain, That's my nickname for that guy, the ugly captain.
• 56:26
  And he starts, he's drunk and he starts demanding they go to a
• 56:29
  motel and they she won't, he won't take no for an answer.
• 56:35
  What do you guys think about this whole situation?
• 56:37
  Because she is just, she's like deflecting, deflecting the whole
• 56:44
  time and trying to defuse the situation versus outright
• 56:50
  telling him, no, we're never going to go out.
• 56:55
  And I think she reads that drunk captain way better than anybody
• 57:00
  else in the cap in the town does.
• 57:02
  And she's like, he's good for a good time, but not for anything
• 57:05
  else. And I want to do what I want to
• 57:07
  do. And you know, that's that I saw
• 57:14
  there's I have a hiccup here with like calling her a tease
• 57:18
  necessarily because the show wants us to think she's a tease,
• 57:24
  you know what I'm saying? But like, all she did was go
• 57:28
  dancing with him. Maybe it's my Western lens.
• 57:31
  I think it's a bit of the, I think it's a bit of the Western
• 57:34
  lens as well. But you know, Korea is obviously
• 57:37
  more conservative. But when I was watching the
• 57:39
  show, in my head, I was thinking Yongl could have been a little
• 57:44
  bit more clear and a little bit more transparent on certain
• 57:47
  things. Obviously, she doesn't have to
• 57:49
  reveal anything she doesn't want to reveal, especially about her
• 57:51
  younger sister. But I just felt like she could
• 57:54
  have always kind of put some of the rumors down easily if she
• 57:58
  chose to. But she would always stay quiet.
• 58:01
  She would always act alone. I think if I'm remembering
• 58:04
  correctly, she she acts alone in one scene, which then puts some
• 58:08
  of the other hanyas in jeopardy I think if I'm remembering that
• 58:12
  correctly. Yeah, yeah.
• 58:15
  She starts harvesting. What is it?
• 58:18
  She starts. They're supposed to resurface
• 58:21
  every time they get something. They've harvest something.
• 58:25
  They get one thing and they're supposed to come up for for air.
• 58:29
  And The thing is, they're diving.
• 58:30
  They're not diving like 10 feet, they're diving 60 plus feet in
• 58:36
  the water. That's six stories down.
• 58:39
  So when they're telling her, hey, you need to do this, this
• 58:42
  is our procedure. This is our workflow, so to
• 58:45
  speak. And you're staying down longer
• 58:49
  just to grab more mollusks and, and, and sea creatures down
• 58:54
  there. You're harvesting more than one
• 58:56
  thing at a time. It's putting you at risk because
• 58:59
  we're supposed to do this together.
• 59:01
  We're in it all together. And your partner and you are
• 59:05
  supposed to keep an eye on each other.
• 59:07
  And if one person is 60 something plus feet above you
• 59:12
  catching a breath, she can't save you if anything goes wrong
• 59:18
  on the bottom of the ocean floor, is what they're saying.
• 59:22
  And so they're saying, they kept saying she was greedy.
• 59:25
  Right, so I think I think some of her actions definitely made
• 59:29
  her image in the village kind of worse than it really needed to
• 59:35
  be. I also don't mind her
• 59:38
  relationship with the The Ugly Captain as you call him because
• 59:41
  the scenes with Ki Mubin's character POC Jung Jun and the
• 59:45
  Ugly Captain were some comedic gold scenes so I didn't mind it.
• 59:51
  Yeah, like, you kind of want them to butt heads if only to
• 59:55
  see Kimu Bin, like stand tall next to this dude who thinks
• 1:00:00
  he's hot shit and it's funny, like just anyway.
• 1:00:06
  And then he like, busts him for drunk driving.
• 1:00:08
  Like he's a mess. Like, guy is a mess anyway.
• 1:00:13
  But the T the tease thing, I had a real hiccup with that.
• 1:00:17
  It was everything else. About her, that she was really
• 1:00:22
  mysterious and kept up that mystery and didn't set any
• 1:00:26
  record straight, was content to like not clear any error when
• 1:00:31
  people were bad mouthing her and spreading rumors about her.
• 1:00:36
  And even though she was telling the truth about her parents,
• 1:00:40
  yes, they were artists, yes, they lived here, yes they did
• 1:00:43
  this as they own some sort of thing.
• 1:00:45
  All of these individual things were true at one point in her
• 1:00:49
  life. Everyone took it to mean she's
• 1:00:53
  telling three different separate stories.
• 1:00:55
  She's lying to all of us because all of these three things can be
• 1:00:59
  true. And I also thought the villagers
• 1:01:01
  were just. So I guess this goes into like
• 1:01:04
  the village as a whole was so simple minded, right?
• 1:01:09
  Like they can't think to themselves, hey, she just wants
• 1:01:14
  her privacy like she's entitled to.
• 1:01:18
  Like she doesn't have to share who her parents are, what her
• 1:01:22
  parents do, who keeps calling her all the time while she's out
• 1:01:26
  at sea harvesting. Like it's not your business, you
• 1:01:29
  know what I'm saying? Yeah, I mean, well, they set
• 1:01:32
  her. They, like you said, they, they
• 1:01:33
  wrote her a certain way, 'cause there's that one scene, I think
• 1:01:36
  the first time we see her, they're heading out to sea on
• 1:01:40
  Wubin's boat, you know, and she's waving to ugly captain and
• 1:01:44
  like, I love you, you know, like she's yelling to his boat and
• 1:01:47
  waving to. She's just waving.
• 1:01:49
  And super. They meet up and sit to.
• 1:01:50
  See him and everyone's like. Yeah, looking at her like, what
• 1:01:54
  is she doing? What is she doing?
• 1:01:57
  And then at the bar, I mean, at, at the, at the little restaurant
• 1:02:01
  that she helps out at too, you know, he comes in there and
• 1:02:04
  she's, she's a little friendly, you know, not not being
• 1:02:08
  scandalous or anything. That's what I need.
• 1:02:10
  I know I. Know but but you know, in a
• 1:02:12
  small town where everyone's in everyone's business they're kind
• 1:02:15
  of setting this up you know this is her this is her role of in.
• 1:02:19
  The town yeah. So, yeah, so we get this girl
• 1:02:24
  and I think I was on her side, even though like she has a very
• 1:02:30
  and I have to preface this by saying this actress, I I like
• 1:02:36
  her, but I don't like her, if that makes any sense.
• 1:02:41
  Handyman ever since 1 spring night, I'm kind of like about
• 1:02:46
  her because she was mean to a single dad who's a very
• 1:02:50
  precious, like kind soft hearted person and she's being really
• 1:02:56
  wishy washy with that with that character.
• 1:02:58
  And I was like, why? Why is she giving this guy the
• 1:03:02
  run around? And so I dropped that show
• 1:03:05
  because of her, the way she played that that character in
• 1:03:07
  particular was so grinding. And I've never recovered from
• 1:03:13
  from that character. And this character that she
• 1:03:18
  plays in our Blues is more of that side of Hunji Min, right,
• 1:03:23
  where she is a slippery character, right?
• 1:03:28
  You kind of can't get a read on her sometimes.
• 1:03:32
  And that that aspect of her, it kind of spirals into this
• 1:03:39
  relationship that she this really fraught relationship that
• 1:03:42
  she has with her twin sister, the sister with Down syndrome.
• 1:03:49
  And it was at this point that I thought this story got way more
• 1:03:54
  complex in a way that no other K drama I've seen has done, where
• 1:04:00
  you have a, first of all, an actress with downs.
• 1:04:05
  Yeah. And even the younger version,
• 1:04:08
  like, they had some flashbacks and stuff.
• 1:04:09
  And even the younger version of that sister was another actress,
• 1:04:15
  a younger actress with Downs. And I was like, this is amazing.
• 1:04:17
  This is so great. Very unique and groundbreaking
• 1:04:24
  to me. And this relationship is so
• 1:04:28
  complicated. I don't know if you guys have
• 1:04:32
  ever done any caregiving for someone who's sickly or or
• 1:04:38
  mentally incapacitated in any way, but I have.
• 1:04:43
  And so this relationship, I was like, it was like 2 halves of me
• 1:04:49
  pulling at each other like taffy.
• 1:04:51
  Did you guys like feel this way at all with this relationship?
• 1:04:55
  Yeah, it, I've done a little caregiving and it it's tough.
• 1:04:59
  It takes a toll on you in so many ways, you know,
• 1:05:01
  financially, physically, especially emotionally.
• 1:05:06
  And, you know, the idea of her being out of town, you know,
• 1:05:12
  while her sister is on, on the mainland is, is complicated,
• 1:05:17
  right? Like she needs her space, she
• 1:05:19
  needs to live her life. But there's this constant drain
• 1:05:23
  on her coming from the mainland. And yeah, it's tough.
• 1:05:27
  That was, it was rough. It's so well done.
• 1:05:29
  Like, I don't, I didn't think I would like it.
• 1:05:31
  You know, when they first revealed it, I was like, I don't
• 1:05:33
  know if this is going to go over well because you have a real
• 1:05:38
  act. You have a real person who's not
• 1:05:40
  acting necessarily in some of the things that she was going
• 1:05:44
  through, you know, and, and she was, she was great.
• 1:05:47
  And that the way they handled it was beautiful and heartbreaking
• 1:05:52
  and but endearing at the same time.
• 1:05:55
  So yeah, I got super complicated.
• 1:05:57
  You really felt for her at that point and it was really good.
• 1:06:01
  Yeah. How did you feel about it,
• 1:06:03
  Brandon? I thought it was, I think you
• 1:06:06
  mentioned it in the beginning. The, the, the story was
• 1:06:08
  delicately told. And you know, I can't say that I
• 1:06:12
  have experience being a caregiver, but I just can only
• 1:06:15
  imagine the amount of stress that it must weigh on you.
• 1:06:18
  And it kind of goes to show why Young Oak was so focused on
• 1:06:23
  trying to, I don't know, make as much money as she could, even
• 1:06:28
  though that meant she wouldn't get along with the other hanyas.
• 1:06:30
  It's because she has to care for her younger sister.
• 1:06:34
  And I thought that it was a great love story between Young
• 1:06:38
  Oak and Chung Jun. And one thing that I can't get
• 1:06:42
  out of my head was this innocent scene.
• 1:06:46
  I think when Chung Jun first meets her sister, I don't even
• 1:06:50
  think he realizes what Down syndrome even is.
• 1:06:54
  And so it was like a learning experience for him in a very
• 1:06:58
  innocent way. I thought that was great.
• 1:06:59
  So it was very educational as well.
• 1:07:02
  So overall, I thought it was a great segment.
• 1:07:05
  Yeah, I thought they really went there.
• 1:07:08
  It was really hard to watch in a lot of places, especially when
• 1:07:13
  she is being super harsh to her sister and you can tell that she
• 1:07:18
  just doesn't want to be around her.
• 1:07:19
  She wants almost nothing to do with her.
• 1:07:22
  And there is this resentment, this deep resentment there, and
• 1:07:26
  there's also this deep love there.
• 1:07:28
  And these things, these duality that's within this character was
• 1:07:32
  really addicting to see them unpack.
• 1:07:35
  She says in this I think voiceover, she says Yong Hui is
• 1:07:38
  special. She's especially weird.
• 1:07:40
  She's especially ugly and she especially makes my life
• 1:07:43
  miserable. And I was like, we can stop
• 1:07:48
  right now. Like that's it is really cruel.
• 1:07:53
  I think the the storyline plays out really in terms of cruelty.
• 1:07:58
  And do you understand the cruelty?
• 1:08:01
  Like, can you understand where she's coming from?
• 1:08:04
  Yeah. And.
• 1:08:05
  Yeah, there's no winners in this.
• 1:08:07
  There's no it's like a serial sum game.
• 1:08:09
  This storyline especially, well, all of them like true, truly.
• 1:08:15
  She's tries to break up with Kim Woobin.
• 1:08:19
  He won't have it. He's taken aback by the by the
• 1:08:22
  twin with downs. He says yes, no hesitation when
• 1:08:27
  she reveals that they're orphans.
• 1:08:29
  They lost their parents when they were 12 years old.
• 1:08:31
  That's a strike against them in Korean society.
• 1:08:34
  There's a stigma around orphans. And then she throws it in his
• 1:08:40
  face. She'll have to care for her, for
• 1:08:42
  her sister for the rest of her life.
• 1:08:44
  And that is a really sad, brutal reality that she has this person
• 1:08:50
  that has to, she has to care for them.
• 1:08:53
  They're family, They're all they have.
• 1:08:56
  And it's super sweet of him. But I understand where she's
• 1:08:59
  coming from when she tries to break up with him, when she's
• 1:09:02
  like, why don't you just save yourself?
• 1:09:03
  Like you don't understand what the gravity of it is.
• 1:09:08
  This is a lifelong commitment. You're not just committing to
• 1:09:11
  me, you're committing to the both of us.
• 1:09:14
  Like you, we are a package deal. And I think the show really gets
• 1:09:20
  across the burden of being a caregiver, the sacrifice of
• 1:09:24
  giving up your life, the expense of living for someone else.
• 1:09:29
  That is not just monetary. It's time, it's energy, it's
• 1:09:34
  mental load, and in this case, the threat of becoming a social
• 1:09:38
  pariah because they start going in public, the three of them,
• 1:09:43
  and it is a shit show. They get stares, there's
• 1:09:46
  rudeness, people are inconsiderate, and society at
• 1:09:49
  large is cruel. You have a child that's like
• 1:09:51
  actively making fun of the sister in public and the parents
• 1:09:55
  are unconcerned about correcting that behavior and apologizing
• 1:10:01
  for on behalf of their child. And that is really jarring to
• 1:10:08
  see in the show. And I don't think that it's
• 1:10:12
  necessarily far off the mark, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:10:15
  For. It's realistic.
• 1:10:16
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Korea society.
• 1:10:18
  So that was really tough. It's a tough.
• 1:10:22
  They're holding up a big mirror to Korean society and they're
• 1:10:25
  saying look at what what this is and it's provocative.
• 1:10:31
  Later on. I think the sister of the Peno
• 1:10:36
  has, like, a little hissy fit at the house later when the sister
• 1:10:41
  is outside drawing in the cold, It's freezing outside, and she's
• 1:10:46
  drawing outside. No one knows how to act around
• 1:10:50
  people with disabilities, how to treat them with dignity because
• 1:10:53
  they are so removed from society.
• 1:10:56
  And she says this, they're sent to care facilities instead of
• 1:10:59
  being cared for at home. And if they're with family,
• 1:11:01
  they're clearly a burden. And any public outbursts are a
• 1:11:05
  shameful embarrassment that draws the attention of a society
• 1:11:08
  that has no compassion. There is no ADA compliance in
• 1:11:11
  Korea. There is, you know, no laws
• 1:11:16
  prohibiting discrimination of people with disabilities in
• 1:11:20
  Korea. This is a serious thing.
• 1:11:24
  You know what I'm saying? Almost feeling like it's
• 1:11:28
  sanctioned. And she is devastated and at the
• 1:11:32
  same time really angry at the whole situation.
• 1:11:36
  And despite people with downs having developmental delays and
• 1:11:41
  and intellectual disability, they have high emotional
• 1:11:44
  intelligence. And so the sister is outside and
• 1:11:46
  she understands everything. She is crying because she knows
• 1:11:53
  what the sister is saying. She hears her and she completely
• 1:11:57
  understands that her sister borderline hates her.
• 1:12:01
  And this whole thing, I mean, it's rough, man.
• 1:12:05
  It's so rough, that whole thing, unbelievable, unbelievable.
• 1:12:11
  The end of that storyline when she sees all of the hand drawn
• 1:12:14
  portraits, the whole thing of the sister saying like, you
• 1:12:18
  can't draw, you're not an artist, I don't know why you're
• 1:12:20
  doing this. And then she sees the obscene
• 1:12:23
  amount of of art that she has created while she was in Cheju
• 1:12:29
  for that week and she. They did it really well, you
• 1:12:33
  know, like she doesn't, she doesn't come across as like, you
• 1:12:36
  know, an amazing, amazing artist.
• 1:12:39
  But the drawings she did are so endearing and you know, they're
• 1:12:45
  they're beautiful and they they capture more than just the
• 1:12:48
  accuracy of of what these people look like.
• 1:12:51
  She captures the heart. And I thought they did that
• 1:12:54
  really good. Like whoever was the actual
• 1:12:56
  artist who did all these, like they did a really good.
• 1:12:59
  Job, I can tell you who the actual artist was.
• 1:13:01
  It was the actress Jungle who plays the sister with dance Yung
• 1:13:05
  Hui. Oh, really?
• 1:13:07
  Yeah, all hand drawn portraits that were displayed in episode
• 1:13:10
  15 were sketched by Jung. Oh wow.
• 1:13:13
  Her Wow. Yeah, the actual artist.
• 1:13:16
  The actual actress, I should say.
• 1:13:18
  Yeah, no, I mean, 'cause it can't, it came out across as
• 1:13:21
  really good, you know, 'cause I was like, I was wondering, you
• 1:13:24
  know, was she gonna be super amazing, you know, like, like.
• 1:13:27
  Really. Detailed, but they the way they
• 1:13:30
  did it, they were simple. But yeah, so that's perfect.
• 1:13:33
  That's perfect. So that was another storyline.
• 1:13:38
  What were other storylines that you guys wanted to bring up?
• 1:13:42
  I think we maybe want to leave the Ibiungun one for the one
• 1:13:46
  with him and his mom, I guess for last maybe.
• 1:13:48
  But what were the other other ones that you guys want to bring
• 1:13:52
  up? Some some that I really
• 1:13:55
  appreciated. So the little girl and I, I, I,
• 1:14:00
  I'm blinking on her name. Maybe I can find it.
• 1:14:02
  Oh, Ungi her her father is a childhood friend to the village
• 1:14:08
  and he is getting surgery. And so they all climb to the top
• 1:14:12
  of the mountain the the 1000 moons and they get all the
• 1:14:15
  sailors. I thought that was one of the
• 1:14:18
  most. Oh my God.
• 1:14:19
  Heartwarming scenes ever. It made Jenny cry so much.
• 1:14:24
  And then my personal favorite storyline for this show is the
• 1:14:27
  the not just the teen pregnancy, but then also their father's
• 1:14:32
  relationship. So then for I that that was my
• 1:14:35
  my favorite storyline of the show.
• 1:14:38
  Mm hmm. What was What made it your
• 1:14:39
  favorite? Well, it's definitely a topic
• 1:14:43
  that we casually don't see teen pregnancy in in Kane dramas.
• 1:14:46
  And I just thought they truly captured how realistic and how
• 1:14:54
  how accurate they depicted how people would make decisions in
• 1:14:57
  those in that situation. So do we, do we try to get the
• 1:15:02
  abortion or, or I can, or hey, we can do it.
• 1:15:05
  We can raise the kid or can we? Can we?
• 1:15:07
  Not them telling their parents. I thought like those two scenes
• 1:15:12
  in that night. It was amazing.
• 1:15:15
  Amazing in the sense that that is exactly how most Korean
• 1:15:19
  parents would react. If I told my father, I'm sure it
• 1:15:23
  would have been the exact same situation as that young kid.
• 1:15:28
  Same for the daughter. And so I just felt like this was
• 1:15:32
  the realist depiction for such a harsh topic.
• 1:15:35
  And they did it on AK drama. They weren't afraid to really go
• 1:15:38
  there. And I appreciated that.
• 1:15:40
  And not to like generalize, but I remember like me, my mom, all
• 1:15:45
  all my friends who are Korean, we're watching this show.
• 1:15:49
  When we got to this segment of episodes, everyone was like, Oh
• 1:15:54
  my God, these episodes were amazing.
• 1:15:56
  Like everyone has to go watch our Blues like the storyline
• 1:16:00
  before. And we already mentioned like
• 1:16:02
  the first three episodes and then kind of the love line was
• 1:16:04
  building. So up until that point, it was a
• 1:16:07
  decent show. We weren't sure how crazy it was
• 1:16:09
  going to go, but when it got then you.
• 1:16:11
  Hit like episode 5 and that's when you hit the teen teen
• 1:16:16
  pregnancy and you're like, yeah, you don't know where to look.
• 1:16:19
  You're just like, Oh my God. Right.
• 1:16:21
  And so Curtis, you mentioned your, I think you mentioned that
• 1:16:25
  Kimubin's love line was your second favorite, is that right?
• 1:16:29
  Yeah, yeah. So my favorite love line was the
• 1:16:33
  two kids. OK, OK.
• 1:16:35
  Oh. That's so cute.
• 1:16:38
  Oh. Yeah.
• 1:16:40
  I love. Them, the dads are amazing, the
• 1:16:42
  dads, you know, the, the characterizations of the dads,
• 1:16:47
  they just went with it. They're so committed to who they
• 1:16:49
  are playing, the actors and the you just the, when the kids are
• 1:16:54
  like, well, if I tell my dad, he's going to cry for days.
• 1:16:57
  And if I tell my dad, he's going to break a lot of things, you
• 1:17:00
  know, and, and then it exactly plays out exactly that way they
• 1:17:03
  thought it would because they knew their their dads so well
• 1:17:06
  and their dads are well known in the community for being those
• 1:17:08
  things too. And it's just the whole town was
• 1:17:12
  feeling what they were feeling and it and then just their beef
• 1:17:15
  that goes back 20 years. It was it was so well done.
• 1:17:20
  Yeah. The beef.
• 1:17:23
  The beef killed me. So I agree completely that the
• 1:17:27
  teen pregnancy was surprising and well done.
• 1:17:32
  And again, another taboo subject, right?
• 1:17:36
  It was very emotional cheese. I I was caught up from the very
• 1:17:42
  like she goes to the an OBGYN who was awful and condescending
• 1:17:47
  to her. He tells her it's your fault for
• 1:17:49
  not using contraception and like they're the condom failed or
• 1:17:52
  something like that. And so they did use
• 1:17:54
  contraception. It was like she she was gagged
• 1:17:57
  like by this doctor and it's super frustrating to see her in
• 1:18:04
  that environment. I don't know if you ever you've
• 1:18:06
  ever had someone in your life tell you horror stories about an
• 1:18:09
  OBGYN and they're like, I don't never want to see that person
• 1:18:12
  again. But like, honestly, I, I've
• 1:18:15
  experienced something similar to this, not with a pregnancy,
• 1:18:18
  thank God, but like with, you know, just a regular visit where
• 1:18:23
  I'm like, I hate that doctor. I need to report that doctor to
• 1:18:26
  look bored. And this was tough to watch,
• 1:18:31
  especially because it's a teenager.
• 1:18:33
  They're helpless. She's helpless, right?
• 1:18:35
  Like she doesn't have a guardian with her.
• 1:18:36
  She doesn't have any person to advocate for her.
• 1:18:40
  She's never gone to an OBGYN before and he's out here telling
• 1:18:44
  her telling her things like all you teenagers are the same.
• 1:18:47
  When she suspects she's she tells the doctor, I think I'm
• 1:18:50
  three weeks, 3 months pregnant and she's actually 22 weeks
• 1:18:53
  pregnant, which is 6 months. So she's been pregnant for six
• 1:18:57
  months, twice the amount of time she thought she was.
• 1:19:00
  He demands that she get parental consent and they, I think I've
• 1:19:03
  misread the subtitles, but she was, I think she said earlier
• 1:19:08
  that it's not needed by law anymore, but the doctor was
• 1:19:11
  being a Dick basically and saying like, you know, you need
• 1:19:13
  parental consent or whatever. It was like this whole like shit
• 1:19:17
  show. So ever since that doctor's
• 1:19:20
  visit, I was like, this is going downhill fast, you know what I'm
• 1:19:25
  saying? And then we get the beef between
• 1:19:27
  the dads and I mean, it was bad like the IT culminates in this
• 1:19:33
  jail cell. To me it culminates when they
• 1:19:36
  get arrested together. For fighting each other, it's.
• 1:19:40
  For fighting, Yeah. And he said her dad tells his
• 1:19:45
  dad, how did it feel to get beaten by her son?
• 1:19:49
  He says that's how he felt the night that he went to him in
• 1:19:53
  desperate need and said I need, I need money.
• 1:19:58
  Like my child is hungry. My wife has left me.
• 1:20:01
  And he called him a dirt poor loser.
• 1:20:05
  Yeah, and and he said that that's fine.
• 1:20:08
  He goes. Yeah, I know I was, but you just
• 1:20:10
  don't do that in front of my daughter.
• 1:20:12
  You. Know you don't do that in front
• 1:20:13
  of my daughter. And he called him a dirt poor
• 1:20:16
  loser and made his daughter beg for money.
• 1:20:19
  Yeah. And he was cruel and degrading
• 1:20:23
  when he was most vulnerable. And he went to him because he
• 1:20:27
  was the only friend he could rely on.
• 1:20:29
  He was all he had and that is to go to someone with all of your
• 1:20:34
  heart and for them to like to humiliate you.
• 1:20:38
  That is what stuck that that is the beef that stuck.
• 1:20:43
  And so to see that play out and to see how the kids were just
• 1:20:49
  pummeled by the the two dads in various ways, emotionally and
• 1:20:54
  physically. I mean, it was bad.
• 1:20:56
  But then the reconciliation was was like sad and beautiful.
• 1:21:03
  Yeah, and realistic to a point. You know, where it didn't, it
• 1:21:07
  didn't happen over one, one episode.
• 1:21:10
  You know, it did took some time. And yeah, there, there needed to
• 1:21:15
  there, there needed to be a lot of steps in between.
• 1:21:17
  But the the arc was great. Yeah.
• 1:21:19
  I thought the arc was really great.
• 1:21:22
  Demanding apologies for things like he like he said shit about
• 1:21:26
  his daughter that she was sleeping around and she was like
• 1:21:30
  he dragged her out of the hotel, the motel room at one point and.
• 1:21:35
  Yeah, that's. Literally take her to the
• 1:21:37
  hospital to get an abortion. It was like wildness, wildness.
• 1:21:42
  So that whole thing was was great.
• 1:21:44
  I had this moment ingrained into my brain was episode 6 when the
• 1:21:50
  the two kids decide to keep the baby and they said promise.
• 1:21:56
  She said, promise me you won't change.
• 1:21:58
  And it starts raining on them. She covers her, her tummy like
• 1:22:04
  it starts to rain and she's like this covering her forehead.
• 1:22:06
  And then she's changes and covers her little tummy.
• 1:22:11
  And then he comes over and like covers her and I Oh my God, it
• 1:22:14
  was so adorable. Do you remember this moment?
• 1:22:19
  No. I don't actually.
• 1:22:21
  No, then they start kissing in the street and that's when Ani
• 1:22:24
  drives by in her truck and she sees them and she's like, what
• 1:22:28
  the fuck is going on? Like she's like, didn't know
• 1:22:31
  they were dating. Anyway, all this stuff, these
• 1:22:36
  set of episodes were really, again, super powerful.
• 1:22:40
  Curtis, what was your number one?
• 1:22:42
  Then what was your number one? OK, so my number one was the
• 1:22:46
  Shimena. I I thought, you know the Dong
• 1:22:50
  suck and sauna that one, it spans what at least 1520 years
• 1:22:57
  goes back to when they were kids and they had nothing but each
• 1:23:01
  other and they were just drowning in misery.
• 1:23:04
  But they had each other for a week or two.
• 1:23:07
  It wasn't even that long of a time.
• 1:23:09
  But it just, they, the, IT started there where they of
• 1:23:13
  course they loved each other, but they kind of got separated
• 1:23:15
  and didn't see each other for 15 years or something like that.
• 1:23:18
  And they met randomly on Seoul, at Seoul or in Seoul.
• 1:23:23
  And then that lasted a month or so and they were just hanging
• 1:23:28
  out and having fun. But then she, she dumps them on
• 1:23:30
  the beach when he tries to kiss. He's the worst.
• 1:23:33
  He has the worst timing ever of when to kiss someone, but he
• 1:23:37
  tries to kiss her on the beach and she's like, OK, Take Me
• 1:23:41
  Home. I'm done.
• 1:23:42
  And he's like, well, what what I do, what I do.
• 1:23:45
  And then they meet up later in life and he's super mad about
• 1:23:48
  everything, but mad about her too.
• 1:23:51
  And then they slowly and then so in your notes, you have, you
• 1:23:56
  know, what's your favorite scene?
• 1:23:57
  The, the way they portrayed her depression of just symbolically,
• 1:24:03
  everything gets dark for her and she's drowning, you know, in
• 1:24:08
  those moments, just covered in water and, and emotionally
• 1:24:13
  drowning, maybe even physically drowning and dying.
• 1:24:16
  She's literally dying or figuratively dying.
• 1:24:20
  And he gives her a little light. You know, like that, that stupid
• 1:24:24
  little soundtrack he does on the island that that's my favorite
• 1:24:27
  scene where he said, here's something to, to make you laugh.
• 1:24:30
  And he sends it to her and, and it's not again, it's not like
• 1:24:34
  fairy tale where it's like, oh, everything's, everything's
• 1:24:37
  cured. He sent me this crazy little
• 1:24:39
  tape and now I'm cured from depression.
• 1:24:41
  But it wasn't like that. It was a slow burn where she's
• 1:24:45
  coming out of it and it's just the and and it didn't even end
• 1:24:50
  where it was, you know, wedding bells or anything necessarily.
• 1:24:53
  Like she's still digging herself out of her hole, right.
• 1:24:56
  And he's, he's got some issues too, got a ton of issues too to
• 1:25:00
  dig out from. But they, they've had each other
• 1:25:03
  for a couple decades and then they kind of meet up again when
• 1:25:08
  they need each other most. And it kind of works for me.
• 1:25:11
  I, I really like that I picked that as my number one romance
• 1:25:14
  when we did our Valentine's show.
• 1:25:16
  Jess, where you, you submitted your answer to that was mine,
• 1:25:20
  that I picked this, this romance as the Oh yeah, Brandon, you
• 1:25:23
  were on that episode too. But yeah, this is the one I
• 1:25:27
  picked for my it. It's it's a really ugly, messy
• 1:25:31
  relationship, but I I really like the way they did it.
• 1:25:34
  Yeah, this relationship is pretty different than a standard
• 1:25:39
  romance, right, where you have a lot of time in between when they
• 1:25:44
  were kids and they were each other's first loves.
• 1:25:47
  And she has a really bad home life.
• 1:25:50
  He has a horrible home life as well.
• 1:25:53
  And they kind of find each other in the madness and they are each
• 1:25:59
  other's safe haven. And then she leaves.
• 1:26:02
  Like she just, it's just the one that got away, you know what I'm
• 1:26:04
  saying? And the moment that I remember
• 1:26:09
  seeing on TikTok after I had already decided to watch Our
• 1:26:12
  Blues was in episode 4. The episode starts, it's not
• 1:26:17
  about the episode is not about Dong Sok or Shin Mina's
• 1:26:21
  character, but it starts with Shin Mina.
• 1:26:24
  And I was like whoa, this scene of her and intro ING her
• 1:26:29
  depression and her husband being completely over it.
• 1:26:37
  Exasperated with her. He screams at her to go to the
• 1:26:39
  hospital to get treatment and they say depression can be
• 1:26:44
  cured. He complaints about the laundry
• 1:26:47
  and the cleaning of the state of the house.
• 1:26:50
  She counters why doesn't he do it himself?
• 1:26:53
  Why does she have to do all the household chores?
• 1:26:55
  He fires back. She wants him to work and do all
• 1:26:58
  the housework. My blood was boiling like this
• 1:27:02
  scene and then particularly the part where he says she reeks,
• 1:27:08
  that she stinks. And the passage of time thing,
• 1:27:14
  we're just time is this amorphous thing to her.
• 1:27:17
  She's unreachable and she didn't.
• 1:27:20
  She thinks that it's still the morning and it's actually the
• 1:27:24
  evening and she didn't pick up her kid from preschool.
• 1:27:26
  It's the middle of the night. It is a sucker punch, this
• 1:27:31
  introduction to Shimena, and then poof, we don't see her or
• 1:27:36
  hear from her for several episodes as we go into other
• 1:27:40
  storylines and the pregnancy, the teen pregnancy and things
• 1:27:44
  like that crop up. Shimena did an incredible job, I
• 1:27:49
  thought, playing this character and playing a character who
• 1:27:57
  loves her son. Right, like the Depression, she
• 1:28:00
  doesn't take away the fact that she loves her son and wants to
• 1:28:06
  provide for her son and be there.
• 1:28:09
  It is impeding her ability to do that.
• 1:28:14
  And her husband is like the worst.
• 1:28:20
  I, like, couldn't get over the fact that he was so, so cold
• 1:28:29
  toward her and almost, like, wouldn't pick up the slack, you
• 1:28:33
  know what I'm saying? Like, if she's struggling and
• 1:28:36
  she's at 10%, OK, you got to do 90, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:28:41
  Like, that's all there is to it. Yeah.
• 1:28:45
  But, you know, it's pretty realistic, though.
• 1:28:47
  Honestly, I-20 you got to do 80 like I sorry, like that's how
• 1:28:51
  life works. So he just was not willing to, I
• 1:28:55
  don't know how. How did you?
• 1:28:57
  If I was to play devil's advocate, because Jenny and I
• 1:29:01
  talked about this a lot and we have some experience with
• 1:29:04
  depression and anxiety disorder, one thing that the show doesn't
• 1:29:09
  clarify for us is how long she has been in that state of
• 1:29:13
  depression. And so I want to be, I, I try to
• 1:29:17
  be sympathetic to the husband's character if this had happened,
• 1:29:22
  you know, initially and he just wasn't willing to pitch in.
• 1:29:25
  Totally understand he's being unhelpful.
• 1:29:28
  But they're obviously parents to this young child.
• 1:29:32
  And what happens when it goes six months, one year, you know,
• 1:29:35
  two years? And he does make the comment,
• 1:29:37
  like, can you at least go get treatment?
• 1:29:39
  So it seems like she wasn't taking the necessary steps to
• 1:29:43
  get better, at least how that's how I took it.
• 1:29:46
  And so I kind of understood his frustrations.
• 1:29:51
  If you're not going to pick up, if you told me you're going to
• 1:29:53
  pick up the kid and you did it, like now you're putting our son
• 1:29:57
  in danger. And I'm obviously happy that she
• 1:30:00
  goes on her mental health journey and she goes to the
• 1:30:03
  countryside and, and finds her shine her her light, as you
• 1:30:07
  mentioned, Curtis and Yi Byung on.
• 1:30:09
  But you know, she also had to have been a, a, a parent to her
• 1:30:15
  son. And I think the dad was thinking
• 1:30:17
  for the sun's safety first, so I I wanted to just give him a
• 1:30:22
  little bit of slack when I watched the.
• 1:30:25
  Show and I think there were two things that didn't let me take
• 1:30:28
  my foot off his neck. So the one thing was he knew.
• 1:30:33
  Sorry, maybe there's a better way to say that.
• 1:30:34
  But one thing was he knew about her depression from the jump
• 1:30:40
  before he even married her when they were dating, he knew knew
• 1:30:44
  about her depression. That's true.
• 1:30:46
  And I don't know if that played into their breakup initially,
• 1:30:50
  because when he she met Ebogan's character however many years ago
• 1:30:54
  and they went joyriding, they were on the outs.
• 1:30:58
  They had broken up. So who knows?
• 1:31:00
  They don't say like why they broke up, but to me that says,
• 1:31:05
  OK, I'm signing up. You know, I'm for better, for
• 1:31:11
  worse, You know what I'm saying? Like, that is a promise and he
• 1:31:16
  knew it's not like it this cropped up later and he's got
• 1:31:20
  to, you know, adjust. And second of all, I think that
• 1:31:26
  what played into her losing custody was the accident, the
• 1:31:32
  traffic, the car accident that happened.
• 1:31:34
  And he blamed her for that accident.
• 1:31:36
  When I watch it back, I don't think she was at fault at all.
• 1:31:40
  Like she got cut off and ran into the car and I was like, how
• 1:31:46
  is that her fault that she got cut off in traffic?
• 1:31:51
  Like, you know what I'm saying? Like I'm like, where's where's
• 1:31:53
  the fault that she was like, how is this playing into like she
• 1:31:57
  was depressed and like ran into a car that didn't scream.
• 1:32:02
  She needs to lose custody because she picked up the kid.
• 1:32:05
  She was being responsible. The kid was strapped into the
• 1:32:08
  sea. If there were other
• 1:32:09
  circumstances, like it was a different kind of accident and
• 1:32:14
  she was at fault where the kid wasn't in a seat belt or
• 1:32:17
  something like that, like that would have signaled to me, yeah,
• 1:32:22
  the kid is unsafe with her. But for all intents and
• 1:32:26
  purposes, this was a pretty bad traffic accident that she was
• 1:32:30
  not at fault for. And then he takes it upon
• 1:32:33
  himself to initiate this really ugly custody battle.
• 1:32:36
  Jess, did you rewatch the episodes recently 'cause I, I, I
• 1:32:40
  didn't. So your memory might be better
• 1:32:42
  than mine on the show. So I just watched them.
• 1:32:45
  Wasn't there a scene where they ask the son like his opinion on
• 1:32:50
  the mom and the dad and I forget the answers he gives and I
• 1:32:53
  forget what he says about the? Mom, do you remember?
• 1:32:56
  He says he calls his dad. Oh, my dad's like a friend.
• 1:32:59
  He calls him friend and then he's they ask him his opinion on
• 1:33:05
  the mom and he says, oh, mom is sick.
• 1:33:10
  So he just thinks that she is sick, not that she is, you know,
• 1:33:15
  mom, she's great. Whatever.
• 1:33:17
  Some other verbiage that would have passed in the courts for
• 1:33:22
  her to get custody. Just him knowing that she was
• 1:33:26
  struggling was I guess a strike against her.
• 1:33:31
  So and what was terrible again, was during that custody battle,
• 1:33:35
  she the husband was bringing up. It was like us mini microcosm of
• 1:33:40
  marriage story. Have you seen that movie story
• 1:33:44
  with that ugly custody battle between Scarlett Johansson and
• 1:33:47
  No No. I haven't seen it about the
• 1:33:50
  other story, yeah. There's the other one too.
• 1:33:54
  Kramer versus Kramer. Yeah, so good.
• 1:33:57
  Right, the original. Yeah, so it's the same thing
• 1:34:00
  basically where it all comes out, but it's not the whole
• 1:34:04
  truth. So the husband and saying, oh,
• 1:34:07
  she didn't pick up the kid, she didn't do this, she didn't do
• 1:34:09
  that. And she's like, OK, I didn't
• 1:34:11
  pick up the kid on one day, but I pick him up 364 other days out
• 1:34:15
  of the year. Like I'm doing well all the
• 1:34:20
  other times. And I didn't play with him maybe
• 1:34:23
  three or four times out of the month, but I play with him all
• 1:34:26
  the other days, like out of the month and so on and so forth.
• 1:34:30
  Like all of these strikes against her are like a small
• 1:34:34
  percentage of the time that she is full time caregiving for her
• 1:34:39
  son that she is out of Commission or unable to care for
• 1:34:44
  him. So it was enough.
• 1:34:46
  Well, you know, honestly, though, I, I, I think the courts
• 1:34:51
  probably made the right call in this case, like just purely
• 1:34:55
  speaking, safety of the child. I, I think they probably made
• 1:35:01
  the right choice. Even though we like Shima, you
• 1:35:03
  know, we, we know she's going through a lot.
• 1:35:05
  We like her, you know, we like her character.
• 1:35:07
  There's obviously some room for compassion, but the bottom line
• 1:35:12
  is like, which parent? Which would he be more safe
• 1:35:14
  with? And it isn't about emotion.
• 1:35:17
  At that point. The court has to make a decision
• 1:35:19
  on the welfare of the child physically, you know, just keep
• 1:35:24
  the kid alive. And so they probably made the
• 1:35:27
  right choice, though we could all see that in the long run,
• 1:35:31
  you know, who's who's going to love him more?
• 1:35:33
  We know the mom would, but. I also thought it was funny that
• 1:35:36
  they were asking the dad like, OK, who's going to do this?
• 1:35:40
  Who's going to cure a gift while you're at work?
• 1:35:42
  And he's like, oh, my parents are.
• 1:35:43
  And they're, So she's like, OK, so you're not going to cure a
• 1:35:46
  gift for him. Your parent, your elderly
• 1:35:48
  parents are going to be raising him while you're working and
• 1:35:52
  who's going to pick him up from school and all this stuff.
• 1:35:54
  And it was never him. It was always his parents.
• 1:35:58
  No. But in Korean culture, that's in
• 1:36:01
  Korean culture, that's very, that's the standard, almost like
• 1:36:06
  my generation of kids, like there's AI have a lot of friends
• 1:36:10
  who are closer to their grandparents than their parents
• 1:36:11
  just because that was the all families live together and the
• 1:36:15
  parents help out. So I I didn't think that was
• 1:36:17
  that weird. That's pretty common in Korea.
• 1:36:20
  And and shame and I had no one. You know, she has no parents.
• 1:36:23
  I'm not. Saying it's weird because I got
• 1:36:25
  picked up every day after school for my with my grandparents.
• 1:36:28
  What I'm saying is if it's between aging grandparents or
• 1:36:33
  his mother, like you know what I'm saying?
• 1:36:36
  Like they were asking questions. Have to work full time though.
• 1:36:38
  Pointed questions about like, who is going to raise him, who
• 1:36:42
  is going to be caregiving? And it was not him.
• 1:36:46
  Yeah. So it it was hard.
• 1:36:49
  But they asked her too and and she didn't have anyone.
• 1:36:51
  She was like, I was going to. She's going to have to work full
• 1:36:53
  time, so someone else. I can do this and pick him up
• 1:36:56
  and all this stuff. So yeah, it was going to she was
• 1:36:59
  going to be single mom in it. Anyway, Long story short, this
• 1:37:03
  storyline was harsh. And then you add in the love
• 1:37:09
  story that she like, doesn't love him Ebiungun's character at
• 1:37:14
  first, but she grows to love him and need him.
• 1:37:21
  So I really like that. And her meeting his mom at the
• 1:37:24
  end, I was like, like, I was like in tears.
• 1:37:29
  Yeah, they just, it is written so well, you know, like it just
• 1:37:32
  at that moment, he has to make up with his mom just in time,
• 1:37:36
  just within a day, right. To to make it.
• 1:37:38
  Work what I liked about their relationship and especially when
• 1:37:42
  Thong Suk is there for when she loses custody, right?
• 1:37:46
  Which is devastating for any parent, I'm sure.
• 1:37:49
  Yeah. She sobs uncontrollably for
• 1:37:52
  hours, she won't eat or drink and she and he gets fed up.
• 1:37:55
  Like he tells her she should do her best to gird up, prepare
• 1:38:00
  herself for the appeal and not wallow in self pity.
• 1:38:05
  And she's devastated at the this horrible thought that her son
• 1:38:10
  might hate her and probably doesn't want to be around her
• 1:38:14
  etcetera. And she basically says that she
• 1:38:17
  just can't help it. It's how she is.
• 1:38:19
  And instead of criticizing her like her husband did, just leave
• 1:38:23
  her be, leave her to her own devices and how she processes
• 1:38:27
  things. He ends up asking her questions
• 1:38:31
  about her depression. What does it feel like?
• 1:38:34
  And he starts consoling her. When did it start?
• 1:38:37
  And she says it started when her dad committed suicide by driving
• 1:38:41
  himself into the ocean. Like wildness, more wildness for
• 1:38:45
  these back stories. It's trauma upon trauma.
• 1:38:49
  You could say it's generational trauma.
• 1:38:52
  And the next morning, he ponders more about his own circumstances
• 1:38:59
  and his own relationship with his mom, meaning he's wondering
• 1:39:03
  if his mother struggled with depression.
• 1:39:06
  He wonders if she ever loved him because she neglected him.
• 1:39:10
  And just as he told Shimena's character to just call up her
• 1:39:14
  son and ask him how he feels about her, Shimena tells him he
• 1:39:18
  should ask his mom outright. Instead of avoiding the problem
• 1:39:23
  and burying your worries by ignoring the person scared of
• 1:39:28
  what they'll say, he should talk to her.
• 1:39:31
  And she says she went through a whole crisis of hating her
• 1:39:34
  father, wondering why he never said that he was having a hard
• 1:39:38
  time, wondering if he loved her at all.
• 1:39:41
  And she concluded that he did love her, but life is just
• 1:39:47
  terrible and it beat him down. And then she felt guilty for
• 1:39:51
  seeing him Rage Against life, being a violent alcoholic and
• 1:39:55
  never asking him what was wrong, why was he so mad or sad.
• 1:40:01
  And she tells him to talk to his mom or risk living in regret.
• 1:40:05
  That you could have done more, said more, probed more so.
• 1:40:10
  That circles back. That's like an earlier episode.
• 1:40:13
  Then we hit episodes like 18/19/20 and this circles back
• 1:40:19
  around right with his relationship with his mom and
• 1:40:23
  him finally asking some tough questions to her.
• 1:40:29
  And I guess we can wrap, we can wrap up with this story.
• 1:40:34
  Is that does that sound good? I think so.
• 1:40:37
  The last storyline that we're going to talk about is Thong
• 1:40:39
  suck with his mother. And I mean, this relationship
• 1:40:44
  and these set of episodes is tough because you, I mean, I
• 1:40:50
  keep saying it's tough, but I felt.
• 1:40:53
  Look the mom. Is so freaking detached and
• 1:40:58
  disassociated like she's just spaced out.
• 1:41:01
  And I thought I kept thinking like maybe she has something
• 1:41:04
  like maybe he's right like maybe she has some sort of mental
• 1:41:06
  illness that she's struggling with.
• 1:41:09
  And I could never like put my finger on it.
• 1:41:12
  I was like, she's the way she is looking around like I was, I was
• 1:41:18
  like, where is she? She's not there.
• 1:41:20
  Like I couldn't figure it out, couldn't get past it because the
• 1:41:25
  flashbacks were so visceral. We're super visceral of her
• 1:41:31
  slapping him multiple times because she needs she he he
• 1:41:34
  needs to call her aunt instead of mother and her getting
• 1:41:36
  married within a month of the husband dying and all this stuff
• 1:41:41
  like it's. Or not even married, right?
• 1:41:43
  Just. Becoming a YEAH and taking care
• 1:41:45
  of care of a sickly woman for 515 years, the wife for 15
• 1:41:51
  years. I was livid for him and I could
• 1:41:55
  see why he was so angry. Yeah.
• 1:41:59
  No, it's it's. So rough, it's so rough.
• 1:42:03
  So how did you guys feel about this and did you guys have
• 1:42:06
  thoughts on the mom and his reaction to her and the final
• 1:42:12
  moments with him and the trip that they take?
• 1:42:15
  Well, yeah, I mean, she, she comes across as so frail and so
• 1:42:19
  weak. And everyone's like, why are
• 1:42:20
  you? Why are you so mean to her?
• 1:42:22
  You know, why don't you take care of her?
• 1:42:24
  She look at her, she's so little.
• 1:42:26
  And then you find out why. And it's like, oh, it's, it's,
• 1:42:31
  it's, yeah, there's layers upon layers in this drama.
• 1:42:34
  And they do a good job of. And like, again, there's no
• 1:42:37
  winners. You know, it's just like, yeah,
• 1:42:39
  you're not totally wrong to hate this person, but you know, you
• 1:42:43
  gotta do what you need to do sometimes to, to mend these
• 1:42:47
  relationships. So.
• 1:42:49
  There's a shit show that happens in Mokpo because they go to the
• 1:42:51
  step dads memorial service. I was like going like this, like
• 1:42:57
  I wanted to flip a table and I wanted to not go to that
• 1:43:02
  memorial service as much as he did or did not want to go
• 1:43:05
  because why the fuck would he? Would you want to go to that
• 1:43:09
  guy's memorial service and see the brothers again?
• 1:43:12
  And it ended up being even let like only one brother was there
• 1:43:16
  was that brother was there. None of the grandkids, step
• 1:43:20
  grandkids were there even. And yeah, EB Young's character
• 1:43:25
  is indignant. He's crass.
• 1:43:27
  It ignites this fight between him and the abusive stepbrother
• 1:43:30
  who beat him to bits when they were younger.
• 1:43:33
  And the and the mom comes through.
• 1:43:36
  Actually says. Shame him.
• 1:43:38
  Finally. Finally.
• 1:43:41
  Finally that he because the stepbrother starts blaming him
• 1:43:46
  for the death of the dad. And I was like, whoa, whoa,
• 1:43:48
  whoa, whoa. Then the mom comes through.
• 1:43:51
  Yeah, the dad was a knuck. 30 years too late.
• 1:43:54
  She's defending him and saying no, your dad was an alcoholic
• 1:43:59
  who got drunk and hurt himself after you sold off his boats and
• 1:44:03
  basically lost his fortune. Wasn't we're in the process of
• 1:44:07
  losing his fortune? Not that measly $20,000 that my
• 1:44:13
  son stole that had nothing to do with why he ended up basically
• 1:44:18
  bedridden for the rest of his life or something and died.
• 1:44:22
  So the mom sticks up for him and sets things straight with facts
• 1:44:26
  and tells the fan that there's nothing her son should be
• 1:44:29
  apologizing for. And she's super agitated all of
• 1:44:33
  a sudden because she's so passive the rest of the show.
• 1:44:37
  And you're so surprised. You're thinking at this point
• 1:44:40
  you're thinking we're going to get some more When he confronts
• 1:44:42
  her and our starts asking her shit, she's going to apologize
• 1:44:46
  or she's going to say something really profound.
• 1:44:50
  Brandon and Curtis when he asked her why didn't you ever
• 1:44:56
  apologize to me? It seemed like you were aware of
• 1:44:59
  how difficult my life was because of you.
• 1:45:02
  Do you even feel sorry? Do you really feel sorry about
• 1:45:06
  how you mistreated me and hurt me?
• 1:45:09
  She says Why should I feel sorry about you?
• 1:45:16
  And I nearly shut off the TVI was like, Oh no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:45:21
  we're back to square one. We're back to square one.
• 1:45:23
  Because I genuinely still can't understand why she wouldn't
• 1:45:29
  apologize. He's asking for it.
• 1:45:32
  He's confronting her directly and she's still like, I can't
• 1:45:38
  think of anything I need to apologize for.
• 1:45:40
  She just said all that shit in front of those people.
• 1:45:45
  It was mind boggling. It was mind boggling to me.
• 1:45:49
  It was bothering me. I think maybe, maybe in her mind
• 1:45:54
  she's like, well, I kept you alive.
• 1:45:56
  Look, you're still alive. You know, a bare minimum of
• 1:46:00
  mothering is keep your kid from dying.
• 1:46:03
  And she did that. I think that's right, Curtis.
• 1:46:07
  And, you know, not everyone becomes a mother by because they
• 1:46:10
  want to for some people it it that that's the the cards that
• 1:46:15
  they're dealt. And she, I think you mentioned
• 1:46:18
  this earlier, Curtis, she did what she had to do to get
• 1:46:22
  herself by and make sure that her son had a roof over his
• 1:46:27
  head. Yes, I'm sure it hurt her.
• 1:46:29
  Maybe, maybe not seeing her kid get beat, but at least he got
• 1:46:33
  some meals, you know, had a house and and she is not
• 1:46:39
  educated, right. I don't think she even went to
• 1:46:42
  school. So honestly, how can you really,
• 1:46:46
  you know, she she did what she could.
• 1:46:48
  I think. I, I thought that was a really
• 1:46:50
  raw moment because between IB Young on and the mom, they're
• 1:46:55
  saying, I don't owe you any apologies.
• 1:46:58
  But externally she still defended him against the
• 1:47:02
  brothers, which I thought was nice.
• 1:47:04
  I was confused because she still has this feels this pull toward
• 1:47:10
  this family that did not appreciate her, did not love
• 1:47:15
  her, treated her like shit, treated her son even worse.
• 1:47:19
  And she's still like, let me go over there and run this memorial
• 1:47:23
  service and bring them food and go to their weddings and and I
• 1:47:27
  was like, she treated that family so well.
• 1:47:32
  And in my mind, I'm like for what?
• 1:47:35
  Like to what end? Like there was nothing there, no
• 1:47:39
  blood like there, You know what I'm saying?
• 1:47:42
  Like I was confused about their sure loyalty to them and her
• 1:47:47
  lack of loyalty to her son. And absolutely I felt way less
• 1:47:54
  angry at her when you put it in perspective that she was a
• 1:47:58
  simpleton. She had no education, she was
• 1:48:00
  illiterate, literally into her. She was imminently dying of
• 1:48:04
  cancer and she was still learning her AB CS, very
• 1:48:08
  infantile of a personality. And she had this survivalist
• 1:48:11
  mentality where she was just like, I just need to eat.
• 1:48:15
  I just need a roof over my head. I just need this.
• 1:48:17
  I just need that. And despite all that, I was
• 1:48:21
  like, OK, but now he's an adult. You don't need to do shit for
• 1:48:26
  him. And he is.
• 1:48:28
  You know he's hurt. He went no contact for years.
• 1:48:32
  You know he's hurt. That's your blood, Sun.
• 1:48:37
  Why would you not say I'm sorry like I did the best I could?
• 1:48:43
  Yeah. I know.
• 1:48:46
  She's just said why would I feel like it was such the wording as
• 1:48:50
  well? Like I'm sure it was a
• 1:48:52
  translation but I was like, this is the worst thing you could
• 1:48:55
  possibly say. Yeah.
• 1:48:57
  As well, so it was a lot of things at play.
• 1:49:02
  Yeah, unless there, unless her, her unless her long game was OK,
• 1:49:06
  let me show up at this memorial service and finally tell these
• 1:49:08
  people off in front of my son. Unless that was her long game,
• 1:49:11
  which I don't know if that was. I mean, it worked out that
• 1:49:15
  that's how it turned out. But yeah, I don't know why she
• 1:49:18
  would it. Literally made no sense to me.
• 1:49:20
  OK, anyway, well. I think Korea is just very big
• 1:49:24
  on tradition, especially when it, you know, there is the the
• 1:49:31
  mothers doing air quotes, you know, responsibilities.
• 1:49:34
  And I think there's also a concept in Korea called Chung.
• 1:49:38
  It just means that when you've spent enough time with someone,
• 1:49:42
  even if you're not related, you just develop some type of bond.
• 1:49:46
  And so my thought was she just spent so many years with this
• 1:49:50
  family and she was technically the, the matriarch, I guess of
• 1:49:57
  that immediate family. You know, she still needed to do
• 1:49:59
  her, her duties every year. And so I, I didn't think too
• 1:50:05
  much of that to be honest. OK, Yeah, I don't think I've
• 1:50:09
  spoken about Chung. Maybe in the My Mr. episode
• 1:50:12
  Chung came up, but yeah, I again, this is the level one of
• 1:50:19
  Chung versus level 10. Maybe because there I they hated
• 1:50:24
  her like they they were like, why are you here?
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  Why did you call like, Oh my God, it was the worst.
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  It was the worst. I she was so unloved and then
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  she still went back to it was like bad habit.
• 1:50:38
  It was like a bad habit. Anyway, she dies.
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  It is awful. The no music when she passes was
• 1:50:46
  a powerful choice to me. And then he decides to lie next
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  to her and hugs her body and cries and calls her mom over and
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  over again. Something that he refused to do
• 1:50:55
  throughout the show was call her mom.
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  And the voiceover just like is like a nice little bow.
• 1:51:04
  Wraps it up real nicely. She never said she loved me or
• 1:51:07
  that she was sorry. My mom, Kangak Song, made a bowl
• 1:51:10
  of my favorite food, Donjiang soup, a Sue.
• 1:51:14
  Then she returned to where she used to be.
• 1:51:16
  I hugged my dead mom's body and cried.
• 1:51:19
  That's when I realized something.
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  I had never resented her my entire life.
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  I just wanted to embrace and reconcile with her.
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  I just wanted to hug her for a very long time and cry as much
• 1:51:30
  as I wanted. And I was like, he just wanted
• 1:51:33
  his mom. And she was always like, I'm not
• 1:51:35
  your mom. I'm your aunt.
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  And I'm like, we're not going to unpack this like this.
• 1:51:40
  You know what I'm saying? Like.
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  She. Wanted it, but didn't want it.
• 1:51:45
  Yeah, well, so he's got, he's got time.
• 1:51:49
  He was. He's heartbreaking faggot.
• 1:51:52
  The next heartbreaking 70 years. Anyway, I love the show and I'm
• 1:51:57
  so glad that both of you love the show and we're into doing
• 1:52:01
  this episode with me and covering, I think most of the
• 1:52:05
  storylines, if not, no, I think a couple of them were left off,
• 1:52:08
  but that's fine. We did pretty.
• 1:52:10
  Good. I think we did pretty good.
• 1:52:12
  Yeah, we did most of that. Two hours later, but.
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  That's fine. Thanks, Lee.
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  If listeners, if you're still listening, thanks for sticking
• 1:52:19
  it out man. We appreciate it.
• 1:52:21
  Do you guys? So real quick the storyline that
• 1:52:23
  I hate, I've not hated, but that I disliked the most was actually
• 1:52:28
  the umjong and unis storyline. I thought that one was the
• 1:52:31
  weakest but I'm curious like which one did you guys like the
• 1:52:34
  least? So that one hit me like a ton of
• 1:52:37
  bricks because I was the unni in a relationship when I was
• 1:52:41
  growing up and I had a friend who looked like Pocahontas and
• 1:52:47
  she was the in the relationship and it it hit me like a ton of
• 1:52:53
  bricks. I I felt deeply for that
• 1:52:56
  relationship. So it's personal to you.
• 1:52:58
  Yeah, so I. I mean, it wasn't bad, but it
• 1:53:02
  yeah, it wasn't this, no. Compared to everything, you're
• 1:53:04
  kind of like, but yeah, it's deep.
• 1:53:06
  It was deep and it's real for for me, maybe for a lot of
• 1:53:09
  people. But yeah.
• 1:53:11
  So thank you guys again for coming on and for coming on for
• 1:53:15
  a really long time to talk about this show.
• 1:53:17
  Thank you for having us. Before we get out of here, where
• 1:53:19
  can we find you guys online? Probably Instagram is best for
• 1:53:23
  me at Infatuation podcast. You'll see updates there.
• 1:53:27
  And you can find us at Poach a Playlist across all of social
• 1:53:31
  media and anywhere that you like to listen to your podcasts.
• 1:53:35
  Awesome. Well, that's been our show.
• 1:53:38
  I'm Jessica and this has been the Teba K Rambles podcast.
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  And just take it off and nothing without your love.
• 1:53:52
  I promise I'll never leave your love.
• 1:53:57
  My heart is beating because of you.
• 1:54:02
  Forever and ever and ever. Holy, you can't take my heart,
• 1:54:12
  dear. My love, love, love, I want a
• 1:54:19
  thing with you.