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[SPEAKER_05]: Hello there and welcome to another additional film and TV review, I'm joined by my regular hosts and Andrew Afonso and Richard and this month we've had a few titles and of course it's the lead up to the Oscars as well but we will cover it quite right to your film that's come across the last month or so and maybe some people who just host a crap one so we
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, it's time to include the bride, the Emily Bontie adaptation, a few more days of weatherly heights, no other choice, uh, K-pop demon hunters, some of us actually finally caught up to that water out of that secret agent.
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[SPEAKER_05]: If I had legs out of kick you and of course industry, which, uh, was a good series on the, uh, business sector, which, uh, speed, we,
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[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, let's kick off with quite a recent release, which is making Jelena all directing, the bride, which is a, sounds a quite a fun process.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's a reimagining of the classic Frankenstein and Frankenstein's bride, horror classic, but I think quite a bit of a different twist to this, it's kind of like a almost a body-clined, for looking at the trailers.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think you've got Christian
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[SPEAKER_05]: Just see Buckley, fresh from a Oscar, nominations, and BAFTA nominations from Annette.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to be cruising Peter's Caskers, so a great cast, and a great director actually, so I'm very proud to be a director of Maggie, obviously good characters in her own right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Andrew, you saw this, any idea what the premise I've touched upon it, but what is the bride, is it, yeah, that for us?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is the director's follow-up to Lost Goddard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Lost Goddard was, let's say, pretty widely claimed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This has become more divisive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of what it is, is that the film is marketed as bunny and Clyde meets Frankenstein or the Bride of Frankenstein, whichever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the way marketing tends to be, it's like this plus that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's part of what the movie is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess maybe the second half, but the first half is this kind of all set kind of takes a turn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So basically it's kind of a nod to the 1935 film is that you have Mary Shelley somehow inserting their salt into the story and here she's played by Jessie Buckley as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Jesse Beckley plays multiple roles in the film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Mary Shelley, much like in the 1335 film, says she has more of a story to tell, and then she inserts herself in the story, which I guess would be a century after she passed away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, life anyway, sometime in the early part of the 20th century,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a woman who's somehow affiliated with the mob and yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she becomes possessed by Mary Shelley and started saying all these things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: these mob-hensch people try to come around and then with him accidentally push her down the stairs, she gets killed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, time you have Frankenstein, he calls himself Frankenstein in this version of the creature.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess he names himself after his father or his creator.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of times in real life people get confused, which is ranked assigned to the scientist or the monster here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The monster as a word decides the column salt, ranked assigned just to
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess we'll make things easier in the given salt is, uh, his, uh, we consider this family name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he goes to a, uh, a scientist played by, uh, an appending and, uh, tells her that he wants to mate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they dig up the body of this, uh,
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[SPEAKER_01]: woman who just been killed, uh, and uh, I believe, uh, but she, uh, the woman's name is actually Ida, but she doesn't remember her name or rather remember anything when she has been reanimated and it's kind of like a hodgepodge of being Mary Shelley and and other things and, uh, and also something else about the monster or
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[SPEAKER_01]: Frank, as he calls himself, is that he is a big fan of this movie actor who's played by the brother of the real-life brother of the director and Jake Jillon Hall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he goes, Frank goes to movies a lot and imagine himself in the movies, and I guess this is kind of a not a young Frankenstein or young Frankenstein, you have the whole put it on the ritst thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of a strange home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got a lot of weird things that happened and weird dance scenes and this
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's definitely not like the marketing, like marketing just makes it to be forward and people see it and they're kind of like, this is just very weird and how do I pin this down and there's also a lot of commentary about women and the roles and society and there's idea women trying to gain empowerment so
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[SPEAKER_01]: and they saw us with ties back to the whole mob boss thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You also have these two, well, technically it's one, but two detectives played by Peter SARS-Garde.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess it's married to the director in real life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he also had a cameo in the previous film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So a Peter SARS guard plays a detective and his associate who's kind of like the real brains is played by Penelope Cruz.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're trying to investigate when the bride and Frank eventually go on the run.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The two detectives are trying to investigate what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that becomes kind of part of the story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's definitely a lot going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just the way it's executed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very weird, very strange.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of divisive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think releasing it when they did, I think a lot of people this month are focused on other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: films and I hear things that maybe this film will gain life is like a cult classic I can't speak to that that's in the future as possible but it's definitely a lot more than just what the marketing made it out to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't say whether I like their dislike, it's just really hard to ping down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Things I liked and the physical look of it and the outfits and everything and I get some
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[SPEAKER_01]: but other things were just sort of like why are they doing this and it's really hard to understand what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not very clear, so very hard to pin down, so that's what I had to say.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I was going to ask what genre it is, but it does sound like a punch-a-punch.
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[SPEAKER_05]: part in the fun friend signs mess of difference.
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[SPEAKER_05]: really playing a genre, kind of like cat, really, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was generally good, I guess, his accent was a little bit hard to pin down because I think his character, he says it's Swiss, but other times he sounded more like tough guy Americans, so it was a little hard to pin down his accent, I guess for me, but I thought he did
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[SPEAKER_01]: The dancing or imitating the dancing that he sees his character sees at the cinema and then there's like some kind of musical number that happens and some kind of party midways through the film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that just seems kind of when they're being chased down the protagonists they started this dance number with other characters so it's yeah it's what it sounds like so oh I don't know where why I want to really say oh not say it I'm gonna and you do enjoy it I mean I have so much
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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw that I advanced screening, which was free, and a lot of people there, because it's free.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to say if people liked it or not, I think they kind of maybe liked it, but it's really hard to pin down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it can tell one way or the other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But here it's like, yeah, it's kind of like the film itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there was kind of like a message there about like I said, female empowerment and that becomes important later in the story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It ties into that whole mob boss thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mentioned that I've trying to give to much way, but as I said, it's, the first half at least is very hard to kind of pin down since there's so much going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you're trying to figure out why things are like the choices that the filmmaker decide to make.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's like a nod to like the earlier films, like the 35, 1935 film, or a young Frankenstein, and then some other films, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I guess the second half is more of what you might see in the marketing more of the body and Clyde.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That type of thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think I failed more with you after the review than before hearing it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's not accurate, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have a question for you and Drew.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some people in France compare it to Jocaire for the other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Would you say it's true, but there are some things in common between these two movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I would say almost, I would say also the first Joker movie on the sense of the idea of starting a revolution type thing about trying to give too much away, and, uh, but I think the issue with the Joker sequel is that it basically took what happened the first film and then went in in some other direction and I think that's what people were upset about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those were upset.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here it's sort of like, you know, you think you're going to see a straightforward thing
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, two monsters on the run and then you get a lot of weird stuff of like, you know, Mary Shelley and starting her slot in the story and sometimes the protagonist sounds like her own self and other times she's like speaking with Mary Shelley's voice and it says confusing us it sounds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe someone else may have a better idea of like, yeah, again, these are choices
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[SPEAKER_01]: sort of social commentary there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's definitely a unusual film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot more unusual.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As I said, her previous film, Lost Order, that was good claim.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was kind of like her own will take on this story and had a lot of things I just kind of like maybe like one or two of those things might have worked, but just kind of combining them in the way that they're combined.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just really strange.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as I said, it could some say it could become a cult classic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I can't speak to that to apps in the future.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe, you know, something like like the room or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, interesting experiment, right next.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Another classic, I suppose, as in a source of materials, Emily Bronti and Optician of Buck withering Heights.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is, uh,
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think my director of Solburn, I think, and I think is Margaret Mugorobby and Jacob Alordi who was in Solburn.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is the classic story, they're not familiar with the doomed romance or passionate romance on the Yorkshire Wars between Heepleaf and Catherine.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It becomes a destructive obsession story set on a very interesting backdrop.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Classic of
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[SPEAKER_05]: English literature every year, go so as by it as ready it was then I've um our fanzo you and me have saw this um I went into this together put together you wash it together oh no we did it what you took it by the time I know
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was on Valentine's day together.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He stood me up.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No, we didn't go.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I'm not exactly the demographic, but I went into the open-minded and obviously no a bit of the background.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I've actually read the book.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I was very open-minded about going into this and add to you, feel about this film.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was good enough for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was like a good passionate film.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It really, the two leads have chemistry and you can feel the light, desire,
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Emerald Fonell has that way of being a little bit provocative, and this time maybe he's least spicy then, maybe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: compared to Salborn or the promising young woman was also kind of provocative.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, here she goes a little bit have provocative, have classic romance.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it kind of makes her her own version of the classic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really like the book and I think here she has really good material to it up, so there's that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think maybe I would have cast a little bit younger female than Margo Provi, but she is,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I, not one of those viewers that was like, oh my god, that movie made me feel everything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I know that some others, yes, they were, they really connected with the film and felt all the feelings.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I can, I think it was successful in delivering about in times, movie, that worked for that kind of audience.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So good for that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and it is kind of like not a straight adaptation, as it is very stylistic.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I really know the production.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It is very much.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You kind of like, I know it is set in the current like two and a century.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yorkshire Moars, but it is the stylistic choices in some of the backdrops, the house production.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It kind of veers straight into, almost like a pop video, almost as in the background who got use of plastics and very emotive, almost surreal scenes of costumes and say wallpaper.
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[SPEAKER_05]: if you see the film you know what I mean, which is the most twist, but it is very serious that at times, but just to give it an answer, it's not a straight, straight adaptation that is going there with a very certain artistic license perspective, like a canvas.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It looks quite beautiful at times, quite an introduction.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I do
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[SPEAKER_05]: I do agree Margaret Robbie as good as I think she's produced it as well, but as good as an actress she is, I think that character has to be a bit younger, considering how emotive she is and you think it should come from a more or less mature character because I think it's maybe just a bit too yeah, sure, like in the book.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, lucky in the book.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah, so those obviously you'd seen it who very devout Lord to the book will be not quite, they may, I do hear some criticisms out.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's just two on the money with the just about any spicy at times, there really is, but it's more about the longing for them, according to their book experience, but I saw it as quite neutral in it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't enjoyable,
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, for a modern head audience.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it was pretty good surprise.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Also, I got sunshine by Charlie XCX, which is kind of modern.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, works.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I mean, Jacob will already, I think he's got a lot of leading man potential that I think he's, I think this is him in in a kind of a central row here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And he's, I've got to say, being what's with space about Bond and all that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I had my own my favorites already, but I
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[SPEAKER_05]: Ah, singing in this is definitely got that leading man kind of like strength to carry a movie.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So definitely good to him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, but yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah, we both enjoyed that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Supplies in the right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Next film.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, no, no other choice, which is a, um, look at your Richard.
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[SPEAKER_05]: which is so this, I'm a new two of funds, I don't know too much about this, but could just tell us what this is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so Nova Chois is a, is a South Korean movie by a Parks and Work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually an adaptation of, well, second adaptation of the novel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The first adaptation was, was a French movie, sorry about the sound,
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's an interesting, it's called Dark Comedy, a very dark comedy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It has definitely has a social comment in it to sum up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It follows the character play by very famous actually South Korean actor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry about the pronunciation and all speaks of Korean, but he's very famous in the E-Byeong-Yon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When I'm seeing his famous, actually, he's been actually in several, actually not several, a lot of movies in the last 20-30 years, in South Korea, but even abroad, not the best ones, but he was in the Augustaers like Chi-Ju or Terminator, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he's actually very respected actor because
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[SPEAKER_02]: It gave some great performances.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I came name for example, a bit of sweet life, an action movie from around 15-20 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously, it was the villain, kind of the villain in the squid game recently.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To some of, so we follow Kei Tape by Lim Munjoon, who is the father of family, stand out family.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And for some reasons, he ends up with a job.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he has to find definitely a job to actually, to basically, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to make that money to the table in his family.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, and after the time of an employment, he's kind of desperate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's finally perhaps has a shot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: opening at a paper industry, which is kind of his field I believe, and so I'm not going to details, but the idea is that he's obviously not the only, tell me what I'm wrong now, for that
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[SPEAKER_02]: and they are over candidates, or if the ones actually are deciding who's going to get the job whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, bottom line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not the other candidates.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the other candidates.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There are other candidates.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, other candidates.
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[SPEAKER_02]: OK.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the other candidates here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So kind of this desperate to, because it doesn't want to lose, is obviously has the ability to lead this family, to bring food to the table.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It feels actually almost depressed by the idea
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[SPEAKER_02]: not being the one actually who is managing his family.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It has a one, it feels very ashamed if his life becomes actually the one who brings the money to family as well, so and he wants to be a good example to his son, etc.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's pretty kind of
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[SPEAKER_02]: crazy decision and decides to kill the competition literally and kill the different candidates.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously is like a random guy, he's never had any experience in killing people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, in a way, so you follow two hours a guy, what she has to try to kill random people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he has no idea what he's doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he becomes almost a bit funny in a way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: in a way, and at the same time, do you feel that kind of a feel sorry for the world to be kills obviously?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But every time he's kind of the different
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[SPEAKER_02]: set piece every time is different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It creates a scenario almost to have to kill people, etc.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it doesn't know what he's doing most of the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's yeah, it is dark, you know, more for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But all along, it's definitely a social comment and envelope.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I will not spoil the ending.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But in the last five, ten minutes, it's definitely
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[SPEAKER_02]: A metaphor about our society and how we behave to each other and to survive, let's say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it is smarter than it looks like as far as this movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I really, really, really commend it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really enjoyed it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was nominated at the Golden Globes, not at the Oscars.
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[SPEAKER_02]: South Korea submitted it in the International Film category, but it wasn't picked by the academy, but I recommend it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, um, what?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Next.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Andrew racism.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The question, sorry if you already addressed this, uh, but I just was curious, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is all based on a novel, I guess 30 years ago, but I just curious, just given the linguistics, had you seen the French version of this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: A couple of pre?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A couple of pre?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, now it's been a long time ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yes, I did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't think much about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we can watch it on TV back in the day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: surprising, but actually I wasn't so impressed by the movie, the French version in the first place because Costa Guevara is actually quite famous, I don't know a broad but in France because it did some great stuff, but this one wasn't particularly great, I don't remember enjoying it much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Especially because I thought actually where the casting was weird, in the coupé, there was Gallicot, José García, who plays the main character, and José García, in France, is a definitive comedian doing some, uh,
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[SPEAKER_02]: jokes on TV and stand-up, etc.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it was kind of miscast, I believe, back in the day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So nobody, including me, wasn't taken, wasn't taken this movie seriously, unfortunately.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, over and French, I would say that if I had to choose between the two adaptations, I would choose the South Korean one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bad thing said, if you can watch some of the Costa Gavas works, go for it because there are some great stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: including some, I mean, we have a metric as a bits about the role of the church during World World War II, etc.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, but yeah, yeah, to answer your question, yeah, I think the South Korean is a better version in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, cool.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Next.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm other.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Brian and tree that came out.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Probably lost.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize that you bet you did do it on purpose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There are too soft Korean thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That was just, excuse me, it's actually.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Right, yes, as you say, way into another green entry, is of course a K-pop demon hunters which came out last year, found its way around the globe on Netflix, Netflix, Richard recently actually finally caught out with it and I caught out with him December as my nephew came around then we had to watch it so both of us fought with a skate but we actually
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[SPEAKER_05]: got some objective to it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The premise, it's, yeah, it's go for the break.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Of the four people who have not seen it on the panel.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Left a globally famous K-pop girl group, hide a secret identity that they are actually supernatural demon hunters.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Of course, when the forces of darkness infiltrate the music industry tend to upset them and influence over teenagers, I guess, the concerts become a battleground for humanity.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Looks like you're every day suffering.
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[SPEAKER_05]: anime, but it is actually a musical as well, because obviously there are some banging songs going on there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So totally open did not try to avoid this, but actually it's kind of won me over.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Richard, what did you, what finally made you get?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You see this, because it's... Yeah, well, this stuff with this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why did I watch it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the reason why I watched it for the record is because it's not being edited at your screws.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, I am not the targeted audience, the targeted audience who are what surprised.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it doesn't mean that it's bad or not, obviously it's not for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But at being said, yeah, it was nominated, so I wanted to watch all the movies and the animated Oscar section.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I watch all of them except keep up the monitors until last week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, the plot is when you are growing up, it makes a bit of no sense, but again, it's for kids.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm guessing kids will love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they are loving it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is, I guess, after isn't, but the greatest box office result for them, they fix whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or is it the highest, highest numbers when they fix whatever?
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's definitely one in the biggest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so many options now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you choose kip of demonenters on Netflix, you have kip of demonenters kakaok version, kip of kakaok, kip of demonenters backstage, you have everything related to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you know, I mean, the music's I'm not a kip of tan whatever, so I'm not going to judge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But being said, I really like to be animation, honestly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think actually, the colors and it's really beautiful when you look at it, even the fights, we're talking about the fights between the K-pop bands, guys and girls, it's pretty cool, actually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So she will the last big fights in the stadium but was really well done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Usually, talking with me again, I'm not talking about the plot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm really, really, really.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I looked into it after watching it, how it was done, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And let me respectfully forward a few,
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[SPEAKER_02]: the woman that you created, kind of this thing written and directed, it looked like actually she didn't have much on her CV before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So well done, actually, to just a great job for the first let's say a big breakthrough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That being said, I also enjoyed the fact that at the end of the movie, it's not a spoiler.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you
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[SPEAKER_02]: There are scenes in not animated version, but in the real world where you can see actually the real singers revolving the stuff, which is kind of a nice note.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's say I really enjoy that, which is something that actually should do more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, seeing actually the faces that we actually behind animation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, otherwise it's it's it's a very good movie for.
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[SPEAKER_02]: case engineers, I'm guessing, really, the numbers can't be proven wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in August, two of our scarce, my guess, my guess, that actually was because nominated this thing because it was so popular.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My personal opinion is that when you look at the competition, we've been back category, we are things that have much better, because
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[SPEAKER_02]: PR some stuff but I've both the plots and the visuals here you only had the visuals in my opinion, but for example, if I'm in this taken but
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mentioned that before, but you have something French, which is quite amazing in that category.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so because I'm French, I'm trying to be honest, but I think it's much better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Good little, I mean, in the category of reign, even Elio, the Pixar movie, but nobody's seen last year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's 10 times better, but yeah, but it's a personality.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I think there is more hearts, and it relates also,
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[SPEAKER_02]: What I'm trying to say about animating movies when you can shoot the work on not only for children, but also for grown-ups if you're done right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that K-pop demonstrators work so much for two grown-ups, but that's a person opinion.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That is a personal opinion, but yeah, I think the songs are what is surprising if you as an adult, the songs are actually they put their heart into the song.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It is not like a half-hearted song, it does feel like, oh, these are professional pop songs.
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[SPEAKER_05]: In an anime, you were not expecting
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[SPEAKER_05]: Diti, whatever, but it is actually, and you see the singers afterwards, obviously, as you mentioned, and it's that they're decent songs, but they actually, you can see them charting on the K-pop chart, all with downloads, and, and so that's, they put 100% of the effort, and it's not a half hearted measure, and I think that comes out in, and I just say the animation, you remind me of, into the spider verse, that kind of like science, the visuals, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, I mean, there's no short changing in this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They go full-tell for each genre, so that's what's surprising.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So you don't come out to, if you have to babysit someone, let's say, like I've had to, you just, it's a good place, hold on out, but anyway, yeah, but as you say, I think I had to, at least I perform in the Oscars, you know, when they do then one song or two, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_05]: it will get the crowd roaring anyway.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Right next we have oh well two plus two equals five.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm guessing this is a reference to 1984.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So you Richard you saw this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You're intriguing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is an easy cat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's talking about always the expression hidden gem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Unless you are really into cinema, I'm guessing nobody has heard about this movie being released.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, in France was a reason that's weak, but if a friend of mine, you're told me I actually wouldn't have known that this movie even existed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's going to be a bit weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's strange to explain how the movie will or should I say the documentary looks like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know if it's the documentary or movie or both.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: So in a way, it is documentary because how to pick with the director is an ice, ice, and slash American, I think, director has been trying by using OL 1984 classic novel and also all well the movie that the audience, the one who is about with John Erds,
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[SPEAKER_02]: in the space of two hours to kind of criticize and also bring his own opinion about the current state of our own society.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, he does, but in a very original way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So trying to explain actually the premise is that the idea is that I will pick through the narrative.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Narita is definitely with, basically, for Narita, he tells us the story of George
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as a soldier, et cetera, it was a soldier, especially in British imperial army.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in a way, it tells the story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it is a part of the movie, where at first it tells the story of George Orwell, how you grew up, become a soldier, when the writer, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the second kind of parallel part of the movie, where they are literally excerpts,
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[SPEAKER_02]: parts, quotes from the book itself that are spoken by them in the wisdom narrator, and these quotes and these parts of the book are, so the narrators are speaking them, and when they are spoken, we have, we, as the audience, are seeing images
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[SPEAKER_02]: of real events of the last 20, 30 years in the real world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, the message is that actually, but the world that was kind of imagined by George Wale in the book and in the movie that later on is actually happening right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's been happening in the last 20, 30 years through different wars that have happened through different democracies that have been in peril.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, obviously,
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[SPEAKER_02]: There is a huge nod, but a huge criticism about the current government in the US, but not only.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There is also criticism about what's been happening in Russia, and yes, it is criticism, but it's just not criticism with no nothing to back it up, and there's a lot of actually data, a lot of actually facts that I've been brought to the screen to prove actually, but literally, again, the world of 1984 is not a dystopian anymore, but it is kind of real.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of scary to be honest when you look at it, when you watch this thing, because how smart the arguments are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's definitely worth checking out, but yeah, get ready to actually think about it for hours after that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't sleep literally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: After watching this thing, I didn't sleep until three or four in the morning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: not only smart, but in a way, it doesn't want you to go outside and start a revolution.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever, but still, it wants you to get involved in politics, etc.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really think so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that people, more people should get involved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever your opinion is, and you should get involved in what's going on in this world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's do really good to think I should have done this for being.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Next, a secret agent.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is a starring Wagner Mora.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's that during a Brazil's military dictatorship, the premise is a teacher becoming tangled in a covert intelligence operation, a bit more like a hearted matter, which is because you saw this as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so so basically it's going to be a roller coaster of emotions because it's so happy about talking about over two plus two could five not so much about the secret agents, but Okay It's a political phenomenon, I guess, saying I don't know yet It's again, another reason why I watched this movie Same reason as before, because it's not many 10 viewers in many categories Here you go
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why, I'm not sure why, but anyway, it was eliminated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the saddest thing, sorry about this movie, this good agent is the fact that it could have been a great movie, but it's not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To sum up, there's this random guy played by Magnemois who actually is in his 30s or 40s.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he goes back to his old town, I guess,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think like that it's been far away for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It goes back, you don't know much about him at first, for the last hour.
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[SPEAKER_02]: First, the first hour, you don't know much about him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The movie is almost four hours long.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So for the first hour, I don't know how if you don't know much about him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you just see him getting back to his own town of Fresif, I think, in Brazil.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And for some reason,
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[SPEAKER_02]: going to live in a house full of other strangers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't know much about these guys either, by the way, just actually by people actually know each other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You get to job and then you see actually that's very some kind of government extremists.
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[SPEAKER_02]: government guys who wants to find him for some reason but this is not clearly explained that first there are things happening but that kind of irrelevant for first half one hour and a half and then only after one hour and 20 minutes I looked at the time it's kind of an explanation of who is kind of an explanation who is who are the other people in the house
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[SPEAKER_02]: why it's been the targets of these extremist governments?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think they are kind of mercenaries, and we are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just that actually the movie for me is not written properly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it could have been just simpler to tell the story in a chronological order.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But for some reason, and maybe it's me or wasn't focused enough, but you are so lost in the first hour and a half, but as we can see, it's so dumb.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have two hours and 40 minutes of the movie,
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you understand what's going on, that's a bit of a shame because nothing is actually happening much about, because it's like we are political enemies, I guess most of them, including the main character, because we speak up, etc.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is not, again, talked much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's not maybe one scene when they are all together in this house and they talk to each other, but it's not explained much in my opinion of what they believe in and why they are complaining about and why they are actually the target of these crazy governments.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's in the personal opinion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, in the system, saying that the personal opinion is true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it will have a different impact on other people, but not so much on me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And spoiler alerts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The last part of the movie, and that was super done, to the whole movie, for at least the whole second part of the movie, you are worried about his fate, the fate of Wagner Morales character.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You see, he's going to survive these guys actually, are you going to be able to kill him, etc.
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[SPEAKER_02]: At one point, at the end of the movie, one of the bad guys, that's going to be
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then, you see, you kind of jump 20, 30 years later, and you discover that Bagnamura's character has been killed off-screen by the bad guys, but what was the point of all of this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What was the point of any of this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you see, his son, who is now, I have a normal life, et cetera, and I see, what's the message here?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I must be missing something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as I said, what was the point of having this character that we followed for two hours to having killed offscreen and we find out in a newspaper?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was a bit disappointed by that, not only by the other things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's not the movie I would recommend, although I believe, but if it was edited, whatever differently perhaps could have been great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't for me, it wasn't for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a pointing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Next, hopefully a better title.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Going to be, he's a mercy, which came out, I didn't like that, maybe more than a month ago, but it's probably for finally caught up with it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is, with American science fiction, science fiction, movie, Chris Pratt, Rebecca Ferguson,
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's based in a near future society where AI judges, well, judge crime, and instantly in, and I suppose past judgment.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I think, and now this is all of them that trailer, but it looks like the detective Chris Pratt becomes a primary suspect for murder and then has to prove his innocence.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It sounds like the minority report which came out a few years before we've
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[SPEAKER_05]: but Andrew, he's been dying to talk to about this for a month, and now Richard, you're going to tell me, you're going to tell me this, is it an Amazon movie, or Prime, was it Netflix one?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, that was Amazon, I'm not sure, because I was at a dance screen as well,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and they're the crowd seem a lot more into it or at least more to it than I was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of summed up my opinions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think last a little bit month, but we had so many times before giving a challenge.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And Richard has seen it as well.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: you've got a two fans at least.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, sell me this movie.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It sounds as generic as heck.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's probably why we didn't talk up at last, but it will prove me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I knew why.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Andrew or Richard, you're all those to sell this movie?
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[SPEAKER_05]: No, I just found that Andrew, to have talked to him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, it's something I want to say about this movie first.
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[SPEAKER_02]: a storm reason, similar back moment of, so if you don't know, this guy is a Russian filmmaker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like, this guy is now found kind of niche, whatever, if he's actually, but I don't know what's going on with this guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When he hears a go-ish, he became kind of famous for a movie called Nightwatch, a Russian sci-fi movie, but was kind of great to be honest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My personal opinion, and there was actually a follow-up or day watch, also, yeah, anyway.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, good, that time with a moment is been doing strange choices, not bad only, but just strange choices.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So for the record, and that's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it's kind of okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It did have Ram Lincoln and Hunter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's the one who did this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he also did to, again, to the tree, is also been the one actually at the helm, or whatever, is the one first guy what you will try to bring to the screen, a new genre will be screen-knife movies, okay?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mentioned a long time ago, but I really enjoyed searching, which,
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[SPEAKER_02]: was, for me, was the renewing, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, it did another one before, but searching was great in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which is kind of trying to show that you can use computers and new technology as a way of narrating a movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's how I would explain what screen light movies are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which was a good idea, kind of, but sometimes there's a work because Team Yipel Ponytoff is also the guy, the reason why we got one of the worlds
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, so in a way it must be fascinated by high technology and this screen life stuff, because mercy, 90% of the movie is like that again, again and again, so we've well, the world, there was an excuse because I think that world was produced and created during COVID-19 pandemic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I, I, I, I, I was out, did you enjoy already expected the plot quickly or Hey, don't know if I maybe I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Would you, would you like to?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of touched on it already.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the plot is basically like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know that he's been accused of his crime.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Basically the main character or main human character, he should say is Chris Pratt, or Detective Played by Chris Pratt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, as Richard said most of what we see in the film is him watching stuff in the screens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what back story we get is from him watching stuff in the screens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in universe, and the AI acts as sort of a sentencing judge, jury, and ultimately executioner of suspected criminals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So rather than go through like a whole long trial and sentencing process, suspects are brought before the AI.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they have been in the 90 minutes to prove their innocence and if not, then they get executed on the spot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very pretty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's roughly how long.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's a real time stuff almost real time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a hundred minutes here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, the detective played by, again, Frisprat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had been a big advocate for this system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, he winds up being a suspect in a crime.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In this case, killing his wife.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to say too much about that, but if you've seen enough of these films, you probably have an idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think one of the trailers even spoiled things a little bit.
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[UNKNOWN]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the ones I did kind of spoiled something, but I'm not going to, you know, that's the trailer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So basically this system that he had been advocating for now, he's facing the other side of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's having to prove his innocence and he calls upon
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[SPEAKER_01]: his partner, his police partner, who's played by Holly Reese, she was on to detective the light country that series and his wife or now deceased wife is played by
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[SPEAKER_01]: Annabelle Wallace, I calls upon some of the works with play by Chris Sullivan, I think from this is us, and also in the film is his daughter, the play by Kylie Rogers, I think from Yellowstone, so kind of some recognizable people from the cast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, it's a lot of this Richard said, War of the Worlds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ice cube world worlds I have to elaborate those kinds of bars because you're watching I think as was a Ryan George said You're watching someone else watch the action rather than you just watching the action and paraphrase what he said So is that is not as bad as all the worlds to be fair?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, I'm not right isn't as bad as ice cubes while the world because Well, what I can't say positive about this well first of all because Chris practice a better active and ice cube
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[SPEAKER_02]: um, because also the plot is better than stupid alien invasion trying to steal data, data, whatever, so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it hurts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that being said, the plot is not that great, even.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I think the huge, the craziest thing is when I realize that of five minutes, but the AI is played by Rebecca Thugson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking, what the hell is she doing in this group?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the paycheck was the amazing, but still,
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[SPEAKER_02]: role that she's got and honestly what she's asked to do is also ridiculous and when I'm and again I'm sorry I'm gonna segue
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, what I was watching with, I was so much not listening to the plots, I was thinking, you used to be a girl.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You actually decided to leave mentioning possible movies to do bad shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, but that's my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was so pissed off, because I was still thinking about the way I actually she died and she said she died on purpose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She asked director to die, mentioned in possible, because she wanted to have more projects, more to do other things, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and you do this, seriously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She has other projects.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, hope so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's my busy, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Picky blinds yet, Chris.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, Picky blinds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's in the Picky blinds movie and you want to help her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I had to say something positive about this, the concept is interesting and the idea of AI being used as, again, judge, jury, kind of the whole sensing process and so which file.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's an interesting concept and AI being in the news and AI replacing humans for this or that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's an interesting concept and something like this very interesting, it's just, that makes
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[SPEAKER_01]: or done in the way that they did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I don't, we wouldn't spoil the movie in case one day you're drunk and you want to watch it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But obviously, I'm sorry, but it's not a spoiler because obviously.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously at some points, Chris Pat is the innocent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm guessing everybody knows that.
51:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you can guess that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I'm not kidding, but the plot twist or whatever, when you find out who killed his wife, I was so disappointed, because actually I had a theory from like 10 minutes into the movie, I had a theory and it wasn't right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was pissed off because I thought again, like so many times in this podcast, the plot that I imagined was 10 times better,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will say more, I'm just, okay, I can say it, I can get, who cares?
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[SPEAKER_02]: My plot was actually, yeah, I'm sorry, I thought so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really believed, actually, but the daughter was actually, so this is going far.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Baby, sorry, nobody cares about what we're going to waste two minutes of this book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Baby is a scene in the movie when you see that she has two Instagram pages.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One that's the father knows and another that the father didn't know about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: On the Instagram page that she was in hiding from her parents, they are pictures that we see for five seconds of her with her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: T-shirt saying that she hates AI and AI is shit and this society is shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was thinking, this is a good, it will be great if actually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, she's the only one who discovers the dead, the dead body of a mother.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's the one who saw it the first.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was thinking, what if she's actually the one who killed her mother and kind of sacrifice her parents by killing her mother.
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[SPEAKER_02]: then frame a old father, so it's been killed by VAI, and after he's been killed, she says, I was the one who came by parents, and VAI was wrong, and the system goes down because the VAI made a mistake.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Boom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That would have been amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not the story by the way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is not being, but that would be an amazing plot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She got on the screenwriting business.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, most likely screenwriting's all done by AI now anyway, so I'll be looking at it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, well, it seems half intriguing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I just hope it doesn't turn out to be AI killing was behind it all along, because that would be ridiculous, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Too easily predicted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you want us to answer that question?
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[SPEAKER_05]: No, I don't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I would feel like that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm saying it at the other side.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, anyway, for those who have a drunk evening, Mercy is available somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Next, if I had legs, I'd kill.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm guessing a comedy setter about in the world of a therapy and the chaos of professionals and the boundaries between patients and so forth.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Conan of Ryzen is so good to see him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, you, let me see, he's, uh, Richard and Andrew you both saw this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that a comedy, yeah, first of all?
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[SPEAKER_05]: No, definitely not.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's a comedy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But no, it's not a reason.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was born one because I didn't love for comedy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea why.
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[SPEAKER_02]: After watching this movie, you think, why?
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is not a comedy, but yeah, definitely not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably this had given an award and golden lobes is kind of weird that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, what is this, having it fully darkly, I don't know, commentary, it's not even satisfying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a drama, sometimes almost psychological drama, but it's almost a drama.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And to me, it is, so that's why I do a segue about the Oscars.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the last kind of movie that I watched in that category of best actress, I believe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I missed that missed one, but of the movies that I watched in the category of best actress, this is the last one I've watched, and it made me think completely again of who should win, because I think that Rose Burn is incredible in this movie too, be honest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And also the movie itself it follows her and only her, because the way the movie is made is she's on screen for 100% of the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a camera on the shoulder following her and her only and she plays a bit smogger with also psychiatrists.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's kind of her going for the worst moments of her life perhaps.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Questioning a lot of things about the choices that she made and the and the child also is obviously extremely sick as well but doesn't help but yeah it's kind of she's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The personification is at the right word of a lot of movers and guessing around the world, which was struggling, let's say, but she reaches a new level of struggle in that in this movie and she gives an amazing performance, I mean, honestly I think she killed it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was thinking, yes, surprising Getshivet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I know that they are great performances in that category.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We mentioned the cementing mentality about you, we mentioned Amnet, but yeah, it's a shame that she was nominated for a movie like this in a different year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She would win the Oscar straightaway.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there was no debates.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean,
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's surprising actually how good she is if you think as Rose Burn has more of, again, as a committee and a committee actress more of him, she is extremely good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know what you think about that and rub it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, we're not going to have a whole kind of great thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just want me to talk about the film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was, I mean, personally amnesty is a better film overall just to go on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I like this film and it's very much Rose Burns performance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very intense film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, why comedy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very, very intense, absolutely very serious, even by drama standards, yeah, there may be humorous moments here there, but have very intense some parts almost play even like a horror almost.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just because it's a mental state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to sum up what happens in the film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is a protagonist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Her name is Linda Rose Burns character and she has a daughter who's really sick and I think they touched on what it is and maybe in real life the director maybe touched on this but she
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[SPEAKER_01]: The daughter needs a feeding tube, constantly, and needs to take in certain number of nutrients.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if she doesn't gain certain amount of weight, the daughter will have to have her care reassessed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Linda is constantly concerned about her young daughter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's not a single mom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she has a husband, but her husband is a way and work long period of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's in the navy or something like a bat so that's why he's a bro is a bro do something I think Yeah, I think that's what he without if too much away about that so you don't really see her husband for the most part And she doesn't see her husband.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He talks to him on the phone a lot and he's constantly bringing her why don't you do this one to do that So she's taking her ever sick daughter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She has a job
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[SPEAKER_01]: herself very busy as appropriately enough a therapist with patients who have their own problems.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She has a therapist herself, a colleague, Conan O'Brien's character who, and her sexin boundary issues there possibly, and he doesn't really seem that interested in helping her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As if those things weren't bad enough,
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is an unsporalist subset happens on the very beginning of the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The flat she's in gets flooded by the unit or flat upstairs above her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So for most of the movie, she and her daughter are living in a motel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like things go from bad to worse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's braided by everyone from this talk to who's played by the doctor who's trying to help her daughter and possibly berates her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually played by the film's director Mary Bronstein.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's dealing with a difficult patient in particular who's played by Danielle McDonald, and this kind of a comparison's made between that character and that protagonist, the one who plays this patient's husband.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't see him, but we hear the voice is actually played by the director's real life husband, Rahl Bronstein.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so she has all these things in her life, and then she has to deal with parking attended at the medical center, which she takes a daughter who's constantly like, bang, you can't bark, you can't stay.
1:00:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone and anyone in her life is out to kind of her husband's policy berating her on the phone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just one bad thing after another, after another, and the people in the motel she's staying at.
1:01:03
[SPEAKER_01]: What's interesting about this film is getting a chance to see people even think of as actors, or a serious actor kind of shines.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to speak, I kept coming up Ryan as a therapist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The one who runs the motel, where the protagonist is staying, the daughter, the person running the motel is played by Asap Rocky of all people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even think Asap Rocky, you know, actor,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of a film that I feel this kind of went, if not for the words, would have gone under the radar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'd have much more release.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Technically, it would have been released in the US, otherwise it wouldn't have been eligible, but it just kind of came in, went very quickly, such as our things nowadays.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the performance is not just for those burns, but for them is,
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[SPEAKER_01]: but all the performance is Daniel McDonald as the patient.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And some of the side characters, another piece of trivia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the patients is played by Ella Beatty, who is a real life daughter of,
1:02:08
[SPEAKER_01]: net bending and worn beating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So she isn't the film as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I know a little other piece of trivia is that one's producers a little bit of controversy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone mentioned is Josh saffty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, he's one of the producers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what his involvement is beyond that, but I just thought that was interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this is an A24 movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So not all their films are good,
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, certainly.
1:02:38
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, all right, that's just thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Next, um, the series, I think I'll introduce my HBO and BBC is industry.
1:02:49
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I caught up with this just for this season because some of those random things, but as soon as I saw it got hooked, um, and this is actually season 4, but so, but it seems you can really jump in straight here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It is set in the world of
1:03:05
[SPEAKER_05]: finance and start-ups and so forth and especially the fellow kind of a group of I guess they must have started out as an ambitious and ruthless graduate so I think they started off as but now they kind of were establishing their positions but this this is a definitely
1:03:23
[SPEAKER_05]: It's really cutting edge in talking about start-up sectors, hedge funds and so forth and the dubious things that start-ups get up to and when there's no regulation in order, it is savage severe horrifying at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Each person almost seems like a sociopath, but it is absolutely gripping.
1:03:50
[SPEAKER_05]: So I think it's leading the charge here is my ally, which is please character Harper Stern, who seems to be kind of like investigating another company that has set up a new payment account system or code tender.
1:04:07
[SPEAKER_05]: Kit Harrington also appears in this as in a
1:04:09
[SPEAKER_05]: one of the co-finances of the board into the very, very dubious web of finance and what goes behind it.
1:04:18
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, um, our funds are, let you saw this as well.
1:04:24
[SPEAKER_05]: How did you find this?
1:04:25
[SPEAKER_05]: Because it is immediately gripping and horror of the same time.
1:04:30
[SPEAKER_03]: It has been gripping since the season one, it has been evolved in, but it was quite addictive since season one.
1:04:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Even though you may not understand every technical term of like trading, and that kind of world where they work, but the characters, how they behave with each other,
1:04:57
[SPEAKER_03]: the hell there's quite a bit of sex to its HBO it's like HBO plus BBC it's a weird combination but yeah weird combo
1:05:07
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's a lot of young bright actors who were new to the basically to any part of the TV or film where they started out with this series in 2020 I think and some of them have become very well known like Marissa Bella and David Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: are also in, they have got a part in different films and yeah, it's full of, I don't know, it's that kind of combination where the drama works.
1:05:44
[SPEAKER_03]: the characters are compelling, they are also young and being attractive and back-stab in each other and having complex motives and being obsessed about being the best some of them.
1:06:01
[SPEAKER_03]: But mostly different ways of looking at the capitalism and being successful and kind of
1:06:12
[SPEAKER_03]: at scale of what is to be young and studying at career and when to be good at your job, when your job can be very tough and very evolving, changing, lots of stakes here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: capital world of like interest and powerful people that are like will eat you for breakfast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it has been evolving in the first two seasons.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They were, it was like this kind of being young and coming new to the workplace where everything is going fast and you have to take care of yourself a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They have, well, they have been this kind of fast-paced for four seasons.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's kind of a different stage, as you said, that's the political service, the main plot of this season, where there's the things that they are running different kind of games.
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[SPEAKER_03]: very intersect and some of them are on one side of it and others are on the other side, but they know each other from when they work together at the same place.
1:07:54
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I like the series evolves as the characters do and they go to different places.
1:08:09
[SPEAKER_03]: like errors is still there, they some of them you don't know if to love them or hate them or both because they keep doing horrible things to each other.
1:08:25
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
1:08:25
[SPEAKER_05]: It is not a shark tank.
1:08:27
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's kind of like you can, I can see in this, they're navigating their own moral compass, but they are very, you don't want to be in a room with any of them really, because they're not, they're not, they're not saints, but they're all seem to be navigating it seems now their own.
1:08:46
[SPEAKER_05]: moral compass and where it takes them.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And it's quite a few generations, I think the older mentors and then this young younger who could become middle of the careers now, it is looking free of fingers because it's like, my god, these are horrible people, but they are.
1:09:01
[SPEAKER_05]: It seems to be now shifting, it's towards the ones on a more virtuous side or one is not.
1:09:08
[SPEAKER_05]: You see, whatever the level of their moral compass is summoned, you'll find someone who's even worse than that.
1:09:14
[SPEAKER_05]: So by default, I'm heroes, but it is pretty fascinating.
1:09:17
[SPEAKER_05]: And not the topics are very, very current.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You think it would be written two weeks ago.
1:09:23
[SPEAKER_05]: And then it will mention stuff that is happening in the news or government or shift like that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So it's very surprising.
1:09:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, it treats the audience as intelligent people.
1:09:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And a little bit cynical people's food.
1:09:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
1:09:41
[SPEAKER_05]: So you have to... Yeah, definitely.
1:09:43
[SPEAKER_05]: A cynical, very cynical.
1:09:45
[SPEAKER_05]: But it is, yeah, you hope for where is this going.
1:09:48
[SPEAKER_05]: But at the end, so it's kind of ended now.
1:09:50
[SPEAKER_05]: And it looks like the could be season five.
1:09:53
[SPEAKER_05]: It looks like, oh, could be way too close enough here.
1:09:56
[SPEAKER_05]: there's going to be a system five and fine if that's going to be the final final way yeah but yeah yeah it's just to hate to in the middle of the middle between the eyes really when you and I hadn't seen any of the other seasons but just but you can you can I might try and revisit my most horrible yeah it's a lot of fun yeah
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[SPEAKER_03]: the most fun, let's say.
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[SPEAKER_05]: In that sense, all right, okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Right, thanks.
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