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Pentagon Confirms New Strikes on Iranian Targets · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: Back on the East coast. But I'm talking with a
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  Speaker 1: man who might save the West coast, Steve Hilton, who
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  Speaker 1: could be the next governor of California. Steve Hilton, Welcome.
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  Speaker 1: I was with Pete Wilson on Saturday night and I
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  Speaker 1: asked him can Steve Hilton win? He said, I pray can.
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  Speaker 1: I think he can, and so we got Pete in
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  Speaker 1: your corner. I want to go check in on the campaign,
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  Speaker 1: but first I want to tell people Steve Hilton for
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  Speaker 1: Governor Steve Hilton Forgovernor dot com and follow him on
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  Speaker 1: exit Steve Hilton X. What do you think how goes
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  Speaker 1: the campaign?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we are just about to really get started. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: we've been making some great plans.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not been busy. We've been doing townholes up and
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  Speaker 3: down the state.
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  Speaker 2: I had a townhole in San Francisco on Friday. In
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  Speaker 2: Oakland on Saturday, we had plenty of Democrats coming out.
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  Speaker 3: Even Democrats are sick of what's going on. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: feeling good.
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  Speaker 2: But in the words of a fantastic, famous, legendary former
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  Speaker 2: governor of the great state of California and of course
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  Speaker 2: a wonderful president of our great nation, you ain't seen
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  Speaker 2: nothing yet.
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  Speaker 3: Let me put it like that.
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  Speaker 2: In terms of the campaign, we're just about to get
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  Speaker 2: really cranked into top gear and there's a lot planned
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  Speaker 2: and you're going to see something that we haven't seen
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  Speaker 2: in terms of the fight to really put California back
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  Speaker 2: on track.
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  Speaker 3: For at least twenty years in our statem really forward
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  Speaker 3: to it.
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  Speaker 1: People need to contribute to you. They've got to go
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  Speaker 1: to Steve Hiltonfrogovernor dot com and help you fund the campaign.
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  Speaker 1: But I want to know, can you fight the machine
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  Speaker 1: that collects ballots everywhere legally and then we watch leeds
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  Speaker 1: disappear over seventy two ninety six hours. Do you have
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  Speaker 1: the volunteers you need?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? That is exactly right, that we're up against this machine.
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  Speaker 2: It's very powerfully funded corruptly funded because it's funded mainly
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  Speaker 2: by the government unions, who of course put the politicians
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  Speaker 2: in office, the Democrat politicians, who then return the favor
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  Speaker 2: with luxury pensions and healthcare and all these.
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  Speaker 3: Favors and policy favors.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, one of the main drivers of the left
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  Speaker 2: wing insanity in California is the influence of the government unions,
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  Speaker 2: who themselves have been taken over by far left activist groups.
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  Speaker 3: And so that is exactly what we're up against. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: we can build the machine.
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  Speaker 2: And actually the proof of that is what you saw
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  Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty four general election for president, because
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  Speaker 2: the president and his team and his supporters, they put
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  Speaker 2: together a very powerful ground game operation in the seven
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  Speaker 2: swing states, which is why the president won those states
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  Speaker 2: as well as the popular vote did particularly.
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  Speaker 3: Well in the swing states.
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  Speaker 2: So we know how to do this now on the
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  Speaker 2: Republican side, and we need to do it here in California.
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  Speaker 3: And exactly as you said to you, what they do
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  Speaker 3: is legal. We may not like it, but it's legal.
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  Speaker 2: But they've given themselves all these rual ballot harvesting and
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  Speaker 2: sending mail in ballots to everyone on the votes roles,
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  Speaker 2: even though the roles themselves are completely full of wrong names,
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  Speaker 2: people who've died or moved out of state. It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: Those are the rules. We have to play by them
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  Speaker 2: and beat them at their own game. And we've got
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  Speaker 2: we've got what we again there, we have plans in
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  Speaker 2: place to build our own ballot harvesting machine so we
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  Speaker 2: can beat them at their own game.
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  Speaker 3: It's very important.
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  Speaker 1: Steve Hilton again, I want to tell people your website,
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  Speaker 1: Steve Hilton for Governor. And when you go there, on
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  Speaker 1: the toolbar it says get involved. I can't urge you
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  Speaker 1: enough to get involved actually work, and there's a contribution
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  Speaker 1: of course, donate button. I was out there and I
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  Speaker 1: had a couple of people driving around the biggest issue
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  Speaker 1: that I heard is that young people cannot get a rental,
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  Speaker 1: much less by a house.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: What's a governor able to do about that?
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  Speaker 3: Well, we can.
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  Speaker 2: We can reduce the insane regulations, most of them driven
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  Speaker 2: by climate extremism, that stand in the way of actually
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  Speaker 2: building the housing that we need. There's also and even
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  Speaker 2: they tax it as well, so you've got housing being
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  Speaker 2: built at a ridiculously slow pace. Even we've already got
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  Speaker 2: the highest. They keep going on about density. You've got
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  Speaker 2: to have apartment buildings in suburban areas. That's the only
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  Speaker 2: form of development that they want.
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  Speaker 3: That's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: We've got barely seven percent of our land is developed
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  Speaker 2: in California. You've got plenty of space to build the
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  Speaker 2: single family homes, and one of the key plank of
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  Speaker 2: my policy is starter homes for young families. Specifically, on rent,
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  Speaker 2: you've got rent controls that have gone far to the
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  Speaker 2: extreme protecting so called rent, so called protections for renters,
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  Speaker 2: have meant that properties are taken off the market. Our
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  Speaker 2: estimate is that right now in California you've got a
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  Speaker 2: million and a halt. This is from public data, if
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  Speaker 2: you add up the cities. They publish this data about
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  Speaker 2: a million and a half empty properties in California that
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  Speaker 2: many of which could be rented. He didn't have these
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  Speaker 2: ridiculous rent controls and punishment for landlords.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's all stacked against landlords.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a really some of those not all, Some
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  Speaker 2: of those regulations we can deal with from the state
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  Speaker 2: through the housing and community development agents, which of course
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  Speaker 2: there's the governor you control, and that's the answer to
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  Speaker 2: many of the changes we need to make. The governor
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  Speaker 2: runs the executive branch, as Pete Wilson.
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  Speaker 3: Knows, because he did this very well.
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  Speaker 2: And I've got part members of his team, including one
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  Speaker 2: of his top legal advisors, helping me figure out exactly
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  Speaker 2: how we can make real change happen through the executive branch,
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  Speaker 2: even if we still have a supermajority Democrat controlled legislature.
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  Speaker 1: Steve Hilton, you're running against secretary of COVID. How the
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  Speaker 1: herbis Sera and I say secretary of COVID because he
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  Speaker 1: was in charge of COVID when they closed the beaches
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  Speaker 1: in California and did other insane things. Now, Javierbisara is
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  Speaker 1: never going to win the spelling Bee. He's a zero.
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  Speaker 1: I know that. I've interviewed him. I'm sure you know
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  Speaker 1: that he'll never read to debate you, I would guess.
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  Speaker 1: But is anyone covering the fact he was the secretary
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  Speaker 1: of COVID.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we're going to make sure that that's out there,
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  Speaker 2: and that's part of the campaign that we're putting together
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  Speaker 2: because this is I mean, I would go so far
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  Speaker 2: as to say this is this is someone who's unfit
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  Speaker 2: for public office based on his record in that job,
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  Speaker 2: not just in relation to COVID, but and the ridiculous
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  Speaker 2: rules he put in place masking two year olds and
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  Speaker 2: so on, but actually his terrible role in the disappearance
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  Speaker 2: of thousands and thousands of migrant children that you're in
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  Speaker 2: his care and.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to get into that very in the campaign.
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  Speaker 2: On top of that, you've got the fact that his
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  Speaker 2: own colleagues in the Biden administration thought he was completely
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  Speaker 2: useless and ineffective. Susan Rice, who was obviously former National
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  Speaker 2: security advisor for Obama and the head of domestic policy
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  Speaker 2: for Biden, described Besserah quote as an idiot. And there's
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  Speaker 2: other things she said that I couldn't even say on
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  Speaker 2: the air. He's totally useless and incompetent. He's failed in
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  Speaker 2: every job he's done.
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  Speaker 3: He's been a career.
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  Speaker 2: Politician for thirty six years, part.
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  Speaker 3: Of the machine in California.
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  Speaker 2: On top of that, in a state where actually a
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  Speaker 2: majority of Californians, according to every poll, think that the
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  Speaker 2: state is going in the wrong direction and needs change,
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  Speaker 2: he explicitly is running as the status quote candidate. The
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  Speaker 2: other couple of weeks ago, he was asked on CNN.
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  Speaker 2: Confronted with all the problems facing California, what would you change?
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  Speaker 3: What would you have done differently?
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  Speaker 2: He couldn't think of a single policy that he would
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  Speaker 2: have done differently. He's saying nothing's going to change when
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  Speaker 2: a majority want change.
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  Speaker 3: He's a really, really terrible candidate.
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  Speaker 2: And then on top of that, he's up to his
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  Speaker 2: neck in this corruption scandal where he've got federal indictments
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  Speaker 2: of his former chief of staff in bed with Gavin
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  Speaker 2: Newsom's former chief of staff, all in a scheme that
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  Speaker 2: was concocted, in my view, by Bissarah so that he
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  Speaker 2: could get.
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  Speaker 3: His guy with him in Washington, DC.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to have sentence on that coming up during
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  Speaker 2: the campaign the first August the sixth, then on September seventeenth.
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  Speaker 2: So there's so much that people don't yet know about
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  Speaker 2: Bassera that we're going to make sure they find.
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  Speaker 1: Outut So again to the audience, Steve Hilton for governor
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  Speaker 1: fo or Steve Hilton for Governor to both be a
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  Speaker 1: volunteer and to contribute. Last question, Seeve, take your time
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  Speaker 1: with this one. You'll talk to me a lot. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm on in San Francisco, La Fresno Medesto anybody you want,
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  Speaker 1: San Diego. But does the rest of a California media
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  Speaker 1: pay attention to this? Are they actually covering Javier Bisara
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  Speaker 1: is an empty suit? I would say that, except it's
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  Speaker 1: an insult to empty suits. Everybody knows that. Does anyone
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  Speaker 1: cover it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say looking at it objectively, we're getting
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  Speaker 2: more coverage than any Republican candidate in at least twenty
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  Speaker 2: years because we're putting together a real campaign with a
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  Speaker 2: positive agenda for change under two headings califfordable, which is
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  Speaker 2: really the top issue for so many people. Three dollar
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  Speaker 2: gas cut, utility bills in half, your first one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and fifty grand tax free, starter homes for young families,
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  Speaker 2: And Califuture so that kids don't feel they have to.
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  Speaker 3: Leave California to have that dream.
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  Speaker 2: So we've got to do better in our education system,
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  Speaker 2: make sure every kid reads by third grade. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to have skills training in the classroom, help people start
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  Speaker 2: and run businesses, get rid of the bloat in the government.
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  Speaker 2: There's a positive agenda, practical positive things that we're going
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  Speaker 2: to do.
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  Speaker 3: Plus holding Baserah accountable.
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  Speaker 2: The energy that we're bringing to this campaign is like
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  Speaker 2: nothing that people have seen. And just yesterdays in Sacramento
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  Speaker 2: local TV there we are getting some interest here because actually, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: everybody knows that we need change.
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  Speaker 3: We can't go on like this. And so while people may.
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  Speaker 2: Look at the race and say it's California, it's no
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  Speaker 2: chance for a Republican and so on, we do have
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  Speaker 2: a chance. I'm not saying it's going to be easy.
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  Speaker 2: It's a not pill battle, but we are really ready
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to, Steve Hilton. I'll make it at
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  Speaker 1: I'm too to it. Eli Lake is a correspondent with
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  Speaker 1: But I want to talk to Eli about iron E. Eli, welcome.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to let you know Supremacy, the game
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  Speaker 4: What am I going to do?
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  Speaker 1: I want to I want to play Supremacy.
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  Speaker 5: I'll work on that, and I am sorry to hear
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, you played it yet. It sounds too good to
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  Speaker 5: They when we were when we got the ad and everything.
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  Speaker 5: I gave it a try. But I have to get
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  Speaker 5: back into it. Okay, But you know I have a
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  Speaker 5: this week. Yeah, you're not going to play again for
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  Speaker 5: thirteen years. Eli, serious stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I want to begin with what the President and I
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  Speaker 1: talked about yesterday, Pickaxe Mountain. There are very few people
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  Speaker 1: I listened to on IRAN. You're one of them. Mark Dubowitz,
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  Speaker 1: Rich Goldberg, Benham and Dave Albright, all of you are
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  Speaker 1: worried about Pickax. Do you think we can destroy it?
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  Speaker 6: Well?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I mean well we don't know the details. Perhaps
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  Speaker 5: that you know the bunker Busters will not necessarily go
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  Speaker 5: is and penetrate into it. But the one thing I
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  Speaker 5: would say is that if you look at what Benjamin
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  Speaker 5: Nenyahu said a few months back, as the hostilities were
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  Speaker 5: kind of winding down in the first round of this
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  Speaker 5: current of the current war, he did say that at
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  Speaker 5: this point there were no facilities with active enrichment capabilities
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  Speaker 5: in Iran. So what that tells me is that Pickax
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  Speaker 5: Mountain is, you know, potentially this sort of secret you know,
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  Speaker 5: on another layer where they would be doing but it's
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  Speaker 5: not very far along. At least it doesn't have It
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  Speaker 5: doesn't have what four Doau and Isfahan and the other
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  Speaker 5: kind of big facilities that were taken out in midnine
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  Speaker 5: Hammer and Epic Fury. So at this point, as far
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  Speaker 5: as I know, the Iranians do not have the ability
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  Speaker 5: to enrich any uranium.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that would be a great relief. I would still
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  Speaker 1: worry that if they had sacreded centrifuge lines down there,
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  Speaker 1: they could take whatever they had left of their three
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  Speaker 1: point six percent or twenty percent or sixty percent in
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  Speaker 1: enrich uranium and then start running it through the cascades
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  Speaker 1: and break out pretty quickly. Do you think that's something
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  Speaker 1: to lose sleep about at night?
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to be like Panglos and Candide, But
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  Speaker 5: in my view, the damage to the program is pretty significant.
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  Speaker 5: And that's one of the reasons why Trump and Nen
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  Speaker 5: Yahuu in Israel and America deserves so much credit. It
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  Speaker 5: is something to worry about down the line. But I
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  Speaker 5: just think that between the scientists they've lost and the
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  Speaker 5: facilities to create to forge the actual advanced centrifuges, to
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  Speaker 5: the centrifuge cascades themselves, to the fact that the nuclear dust,
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  Speaker 5: as Trump calls it, is still kind of buried beneath
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  Speaker 5: the facilities that were taken out, I just think it's
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  Speaker 5: going to be very difficult for Iran to be able
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  Speaker 5: to get to the point where it was thirteen months ago,
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  Speaker 5: where they were on the verge of a kind of
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  Speaker 5: breakout where they were able to produce enough enrich uranium
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  Speaker 5: for dozens of nuclear weapons. So I just think that
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  Speaker 5: in some ways we have to look at this more holistically.
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  Speaker 5: It's important to try to take that out as well.
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  Speaker 5: But right now I'm more focused on trying to deprive
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  Speaker 5: the Iranians of the ability to control straight up hor
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  Speaker 5: moves and to think about ways of exploiting what I
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  Speaker 5: think are inevitably fissures within the regime.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to come back to that about one more
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  Speaker 1: nuclear question. My bad yesterday talking to the President. When
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  Speaker 1: you've got fifteen minutes and you can stretch it to eighteen,
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  Speaker 1: it sometimes move too fast, he said, And he said, Hugh,
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  Speaker 1: I know, making news is great, but he said one
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  Speaker 1: thing I should have stopped on. If they have a nuke,
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  Speaker 1: they will use it. Now I just blew past that
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  Speaker 1: because I've heard him say that before. If in fact
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  Speaker 1: that's true, that changes everything. Do you believe it to
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  Speaker 1: be true.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know that they would definitely use it. I
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  Speaker 5: think that even if they didn't use it, they would
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  Speaker 5: that would provide a nuclear umbrella to their network of
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  Speaker 5: terrorist militias throughout the Middle East. So you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: bad if they use it. It's bad if they don't
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  Speaker 5: use it. But certainly they're former Iranian leaders like Ali
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  Speaker 5: Robson Johnny As, former president who nearly became the Supreme
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  Speaker 5: leader after Hamani died, who said that it will only
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  Speaker 5: take a couple of weapons to destroy Israel. And I
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  Speaker 5: think he was saying that he was being serious at
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  Speaker 5: the time. So I don't think you could rule it out.
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  Speaker 5: But I'm just either way, it's it's a disaster.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Play doctor Strange love with me, like the late
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  Speaker 1: Herman Khan used to do. If they would have used
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  Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon or even any kind of have a
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  Speaker 1: WMD if David Albright's speculated they might be building a
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  Speaker 1: fentanyl distributing machine or something like that. If they used
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  Speaker 1: a WMD on Israel, what would Israel do?
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's why it has a nuclear deterrin Israelis themselves
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  Speaker 5: are not I guess it's Rael government officials are allowed
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  Speaker 5: to say that, but it's the world's worst kept secret
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  Speaker 5: of the Middle East, worst kept secret. And the specifically
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  Speaker 5: the Israeli doctrine is that they would not be the
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  Speaker 5: first country to introduce what they call their strategic arsenal
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  Speaker 5: in the Middle East, so that what that means is
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: that it's purely.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: Kind of retaliatory.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: So if there was a if there was a nuke
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: that was fired at Israel, then I'm sure the Israelis
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: have plenty of plenty of contingency plans to make sure
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: that they would get off some nukes at Iran.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Do you think Americans understand what is colloquially called twelver theology,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: which is the radical radical Shia branch of Islam. Do
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: you think we understand it?
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: No, I'll go one further.
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: I don't think a lot of our foreign policy establishment
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: understands twelve for Islam shea Islam.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: I don't think.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: I think the problem is is that even though I
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: credit Trump enormously for doing something that none of his
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: predecessors were willing to do, which is to use force
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: against the regime, which started in his first term by
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: taking out Cosm Zolmani, the fact that he was so
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: quick and he believed that, I mean, how could they
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: possibly want to continue fighting us. We've just taken out
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: their leadership and most of their military industrial base, and
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: you know which which is true.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: If Iran was a rational actor.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: So that tells me that that even he maybe doesn't
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: quite understand or maybe he's getting it now that he
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: calls the Iranian regime crazy, because that is the better
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, that is a kind of a base and
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: colloquial way of saying it, but that is exactly you know,
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: they're reflect They were reflecting a certain you know, fanatic ideology.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: And by the way, we should make very clear this
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: is a minority interpretation of Shia Islam with any ron
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: itself and certainly within greater Shia Islam. The current Grand
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: Iatola for Shia Islam Iatola Aliistani is not a twelve
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: or she doesn't he.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: Doesn't believe in that.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: And you know, you you really comes from a very
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: different kind of theological branch of the religion. So in
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: that respect, you know, Hominia is this anomaly inside.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, there are other twelve h Islam.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: You know, his mentor at the time, you know, as
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: a younger man, was also of this view. But like
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: the idea that this ideology has taken over the entire
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: state of Iran is again as a blip if you
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: know Iranian history. So I just but I would stress
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: that I think no, not enough people in the West
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: understand what we're up against.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: The other time, I'm going to talk with Eli during
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: the break. He's going to be back on the other side.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, America. I'm Hugh Hewing. I'm back with
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Eli Lake Eli. I listened to every commentary podcast and
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: so I hear you on with John bod Hortz, A Greenwalld,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Seth Mandel, sometimes, Matt Contenelly, sometimes Eliana Johnson. It's a
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: great podcast. I'm a little frustrated in that no one
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: seems to give credit to the vice president for maybe
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: doing what he's told to do. In other words, you're
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: the vice president if you're supposed to play the role
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: of optimist and maybe even pangloss. Then you play that role.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Does it not occur to anyone that he's just doing
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: a job?
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but maybe maybe so.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: I do think that there was a bit of an overaction,
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: me included when we first read the memorandum of understanding,
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: because the terms were so awful, and you know, his
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: job is to close a deal and there was no
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: deal to close. You know, My view increasingly is that
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: the negotiations were a chance for US, the America to
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: restock our ordinance and our interceptors. There's a chance to
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: stabilize the oil markets, and it was a chance to
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: basically kind.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Of wiggle out of.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Any additional costs to what, in my view is a
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: great gain which is destroying most of you know, the
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: vast majority of Iran's nuclear program in between the two wars,
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: and also their defense industrial base. And but I think
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: the problem is that we kind of know where Vance
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: has come down on things based on you know, what
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: he says public claim. We assume a lot of the
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: time he's being sincere and by some of by some
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: of the people that he's taken counsel from him if
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: he's apparently he's been listening a lot to treat at Parsi,
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: who is, uh, you know, basically kind of a glorified
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: lobbyist of sorts for an element of the Iranian regime.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: And you know, I've had his number for a while,
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: and he's somebody who you know, kind of has floated
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: between elements of the right and the left and his
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: very interesting career in Washington. But if he's getting you know,
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: regular briefings from Parsi, as has been reported by others.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Well, then that that strikes me that maybe it's it's.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: Not just about you know, playing you know, the optimist
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: and negotiations that are meant to basically buy us time.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: I think that Trump, probably, I mean, as we now
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: have the evidence of Trump clearly, you know, did not
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: believe that he was willing to accept the kind of
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: conditions that the Iranians said that they had that we
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: would have to accept. And so Trump is you know,
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: quite capable of saying, okay, well, you know, well, if
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: you're not going to abide by the MoU, then I'm
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: not going to abide by it. So good for him,
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: But I think the jury in some ways is still
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: out and I think it also Jade Vance is, whatever
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: his motivations are, the role he was asked to play. Hugh,
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: he is catering to a wing of the of the
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: Maga coalition that is just far too naive about our
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: foreign adversaries and in our foreign enemies.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: And when they come.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Back, I just think that Pard there, we got to
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: come back on the network, and I want to follow
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: up on that with the ELI stay tuned, Welcome back,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: and Erica. I'm Hugh Dowett. Eli Lake is my guest.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: You can follow Eli on x at Eli Lake, you
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: can listen to Breaking History. You can also, of course
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: read him at the Free Press, which I do in
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: every post. He had a great post this weekend, Eli
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: back to the Vice President, which we talked about during
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the break. I just finished reading Communion. I reviewed it
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: for Fox News. It's over at the website today. There
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: are a few pages that address boomers. Me not you
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: address boomers, especially Reagan era boomers, and as a kid,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: carry changing yeah yeah, and saying you're not one of them.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: You've got a five year old, But say, hey, boomers,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I'm going to paraphrase here. Your worldview is based on
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: the Soviet Union being there, and maybe your rules based
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: international order doesn't exist anymore. Would you at least think
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: about that kind of hit me like a brick. He's right,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I'm very much a product of my time magazine correlation
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: of force. They've got this many tanks in the full
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: the gap we've got that. Do you think he might
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: be right that a lot of the American foreign policy
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: establishment has not stepped back from the world to take
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: a new look at it.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Hmmm, well, I do think that there is a lot
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: of old, kind of dead assumptions about things like the
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: you know, the value of NATO if European, if the
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: big European countries kind of continue on this path. It's
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: much deeper than a problem about spending enough of your
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: budget on defense. It's really gets to will you be
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: able will your population be willing to defend your country
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: at a certain point?
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Are you? You know you will you be able to.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: Absorb and have lots of new migrants who have come
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: to your country assimilate in such a way that they
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: will really you know, embody what we understand to be
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: French or German or Dutch or English values, and those
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: are very seriou is deep structural questions that I think,
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: you know, me included as a gen xer, you know,
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: those of us who kind of came from you know,
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: the pre you know, knew the pre Trump era very well,
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: we might sort of look at it and we just
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: sort of we were on a little bit of autopilot
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: when it came to things like NATO and the Alliance system.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: The other thing I think that he's got a very
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: good point on which has been one of my criticisms
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: for a long time, and I think you would agree
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: with this, is that when we decided that we were
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: going to ultimately knit in illiberal superpowers like China and
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: Russia into the global system, we assumed that that would
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: liberalize them, but in reality it ended up undermining some
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: of the international systems that we also took for granted.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: So in that respect, I think that that is.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: A totally fair point, and it's one that I would
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: say is beyond simply generational. It's just a matter of again,
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: we just sort of assumed these things were on autopilot
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: for a while and that oh yeah, eventually, you know,
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: Fukuyama insists.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: You in the rice you mentioned, I call it Fukayama
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: disease because I had it. I had the end of
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: history disease. And it takes a while to shake that off.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and like, and oh, don't worry about China.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: You know, Hey, they've they've got all this money coming in,
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: They've got them a prosperous middle class. They'll eventually get democracy.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: Look what happened, It happened to us, that happened all
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: these other countries.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: That's not necessarily true.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: And when you when you will, when you enrich authoritarian
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: and tutalitarian regimes, you don't. You don't necessarily you know, automatically,
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: you know, get get a magic formula that will give you, uh, you.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Know, democratic revolutions.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: In fact, what you were doing is your strengthening regimes
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: that have a dedicated interest in squashing any chance for
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: such uh you know, popular evolutions.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: Of sort of that sort.
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: So in my view, yeah, like that's a totally fair
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: point that he's making. And you know, in that respect,
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: I would agree.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to I'm really going to impose on
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: your time and try and keep you in another twelve minutes, Eli,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: But if you can't, don't worry. Here's the setup to
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the next question. There's been a lot of discussion on
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: commentary that we don't have a plan. I think we do,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: but I'm very generous towards this. I think the plan
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: is what the President said to me yesterday. The MLU
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: was a test sort of like a non binding letter
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: of intent in real estate world, which I came out
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: of for thirty five years doing, and a nine binding
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: letter of intent is just an agreement to meet again.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: And we didn't meet again and we're done. So I
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: think what the President is doing is following through on
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: a ratcheting up the pressure again and that eventually they
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: will buckle. They have to buckle. So we have one
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: minute of the break, and I'll break and talk to
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: you during the break, and after what do you think.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: Well, they've proven resilient, but they have an advantage. The
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: Iranian regime has an advantage. They don't care about the
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: welfare of their people, so unfortunately, I think they have
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: a higher tolerance for pain.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: What I'm watching, what I'm hoping.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: Is that you'll start to see a break in the
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: ranks within those security services. And that's something that we
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: can't know from where we are here, but you know,
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: pressure like that can produce such opportunities.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back with Eli during the break and
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: nearly back on the other side, because, as I mentioned,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: David Albright, Eli Lake, Mark Dubowitz and Rich Goldberg and
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: benham Ben Talibu are the guys to listen to on
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Iran State turned on the podcast with Eli Lake before
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: we go back on the broadcast, Eli, what did you
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: make of this crazy Akman Dinasad story? It came out
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: of Israel yesterday. Massad was setting up Akman Dinisad. He's
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: the guy who went Lee Bollinger. My own law school
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: professor had him to Columbia how to turn my hair
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: out because he killer. What did you make of that?
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: Well, first of all, kudos to ronen Bergmann and the
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: New York Times forgetting that story. Is an incredible story,
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: and I'd been following iterations of it. I have to
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: tell you in my own reporting. What i'd heard was
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: I didn't realize that there was a meeting in Geneva
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: with David Barnea, the Masade chief. That was that's pretty impressive.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: But I also don't think that it was a matter
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: of like recruiting an agent.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: I think it was, you know, I follow the.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: Iranian internal politics and Achmadinajad weirdly had emerged as a
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: kind of populist critic of the regime. So he would
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: be a natural person that you would like be interested
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: in establishing contact with if you were interested in seeing
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: a better regime replace the current ones. So in that respect,
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: but I mean that details are stunning. On the other hand,
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: I have to say that you know, he's still I mean,
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: he was at I think one of the come I'm
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: in a funeral, funeral days and you know, so he's
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: in Irun and I think he's probably in great danger
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: right now. So in that respect, I hope he isn't burned.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: Oh he's burned. See if anyone can.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Be, he's buried. I mean, you know what I'm saying.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, we may not see him again. It's
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: it's a tough situation, right.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: So the president said yesterday we can reach level four,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: five and six. Should we reach level four, five and
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: six before we go back on the network? Should we
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: kill them? Uh?
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't see any particular reason. If he thinks
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: at this point he's not getting anywhere with the current
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: round of people, then you know, I don't see any
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: particular reasons that there should be.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Consequences.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: The only thing I would say is that we need
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: to calibrate whether there are things that the Iranians haven't done.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: So that's the only other my caveat there is, you know,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: let's make sure that there isn't an escalation spiral where
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: they use their remaining limited munition to target things like
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: the Saudi desalinization plant or you know, billions of dollars
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: worth of oil infrastructure in Bahrain or the Emirates.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Have you oil has only gone up to seventy eight
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: dollars a barrel. What's that tell you?
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: What it tells me is that a because of the
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: revolution of fracking, which Democrats did their damnedest to prevent,
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: the straight up her moves does not have the strategic
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: kind of significance that it did twenty five years ago.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: And the other thing it tells me is that Trump.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: Is very very good at figuring out what he needs
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: to say to calm the markets. He understands it almost instinctively,
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: and in that respect, that's good for everybody. So that
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: we are able to again, let's keep our eye on
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: the ball. We have largely defanged this very significant adversary.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: And if you can do that by and also avoid
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: a massive global financial calamity, well then that's the job
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: of the president.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's doing the job again.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: If we if we come out of this and we
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: don't suffer a global recession and oil two hundred dollars
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: a barrel, that's a that's that we have to look
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: at the whole board.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: You know. I mean, oh, boy, Ron doesn't care.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: We're coming back on that, I guess anymore, Standing by, Eli,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Welcome back in America. I'm here, Jewett.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I'm talking with Eli Lake at the Free Press. I'm
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: really imposing on this time for one more segment, Eli,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I want you know, hold forth.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: We are bombing Iran again as we speak. It's three
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: forty four in the east, it's way after dark, and
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: we're hitting them hard. The President told me we're going
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: to do this. I don't know what we're hitting, I
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: don't know where we're hitting. What do you think is happening,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: what do you think is going on inside the administration?
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: And what do you think is going to happen with Israel?
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, first of all, it's good that we
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: are now no longer or in the business of trying
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: to negotiate a deal with Iran that would give them
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: that would recognize their right to continue to occupy Lebanon
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: through hesblah. So that's excellent, and that the Rubio deal
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: is the deal that looks like is the one that's
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: going to endure. So that's very very good. And from
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: the perspective of israel I think what it shows is that,
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: you know, I thought it was a minor thing because
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: the President kind of said it before.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: But it was important that he sort of said no, no, no.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: The relationship with bb is fine.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: You know that sometimes we focus on some of the
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: vituperations in the moment of Trump and what we don't
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: we don't account for the fact that there is a longstanding,
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: you know, trust and relationship with the Israeli leader at
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: the moment, and he's got Annya, who, regardless of what
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: happens with Washington, is going to have a pretty tough
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: election coming up in October.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: But for now, at.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: Least, I think what it is it shows is at
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: least that that relationship is still intact and that kind
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: of immediate security coordination is very important, and you know,
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: I think the Israelis at this point, you know, have
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: come out pretty good, especially if they can build on
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: this agreement with the elected Lebanese government.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: And then you know, if.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: The President gives the green light, the Israelis are certainly
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: in a position to continue to go after Iranian leadership.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: So all that's pretty good, all right.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: And then the last question. I believe the President when
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: he said he's not going to be for forever war
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't want boots on the ground. Now, we
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: already have had boots on the ground, and I think
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: we probably still have boots on the ground inside of
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Iran with some of our special forces doing targeting. I
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: really believe that. But they're good and they won't be found.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I am beginning to think that we're prepared, if necessary,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: to do what has to be done with ground trips
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: for a limited period of time to take clear but
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: not whole old terrain.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: What do you think, Well, yes, but like I also
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: think that it's good that the President is so aware
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: that he doesn't want to get the US forces in
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: a situation where they would be peacekeepers or nation builders.
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: We've tried that they that that is, you know, fly
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: paper for chie hottists. It's it's a problem, and it's
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: also something that would I think, really turn the American
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: people in a more serious way against the war. And
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: so again, if Trump can accomplish again the defanging and
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: destabilization of the regime, and then there are other things
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: that you know that that that in some ways you
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: can say intelligence options take care of maybe the rest,
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: because I think you do have to eventually get rid
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: of the regime. Then that's enormous because then then we've
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: we've sort of gotten ourselves out of this Iraq syndrome.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: And that's again to the President's credit. You know, stabilize
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: the oil markets, keep us out of a ground war,
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: a serious ground war, but accomplish these missions that are
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: vital for American national security interest and really the world's
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: national security interests. I don't think anybody would want Iran
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: to have a nuclear weapon.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: And we did it.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: I mean most people, I think thirteen months ago, Hugh,
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: a lot of analysts would say it was pretty much
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: inevitable that Iran would be at the very least a
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: breakout nuclear power. They're much further away from that right now,
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: and that's because of the superiority of American Israeli Arms
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: president also told me yesterday it is not realistic to
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: expect an Iranian uprising any Rather graphically describe sniper's on
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: the roof putting bullets between the eyes of women and
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: chur enough you all want to march in that parade?
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Do you think that possibility is gone now? Uprising? No? No.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: With all due respect to President Trump, I don't think
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: he understands the nature of how these uprisings work. I
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: do think that there was a significant setback because of
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: the sheer numbers and brutality of the slaughter from January.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: But I also don't I mean, I think we have
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: twenty more than twenty five years of recent Iranian history
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: of Iranians very bravely and courageously taking to the streets
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: to oppose the regime.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: That's number one. Number two. The theory of how that
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: works when.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: You have this kind of uprising is not because the
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: demonstrators are armed and they can shoot back. It's because
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: there are the people who have to execute the orders
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: from the tyrant to kill and shoot at the crowds
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: that refuse to do so because they are moved either
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: because of their conscience, they're moved because they believe that
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: the tide of history is not on the side of
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: the regime. There are a lot of motivations to it,
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: but that's how you get it's the moment when the
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: apparats refused to shoot at the demonstrators.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: And that doesn't mean that.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: In fact, there are a lot of theorists like Gene Sharp,
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: the late Peter Ackerman who have argued that actually arming
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: your you know, resistance movement gets you further away from
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: the goal of persuading the regime's thugs not to follow
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: the violent orders from the top.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Interesting, all right, exac question from left field my specialty.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Are we losing Africa to the Jihadis as we fight
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: in Iran?
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: Well, I hope not.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, we do have AFRICAM and there's a lot
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: we can accomplish.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: There are several revolutions and military affairs you and one
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: of them is the sort of honing and the excellence
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: of American special operators and that is largely what AFRICAM.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: Has right now.
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: So I my hope is that it can continue to
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: partner with the forces against Gihad, particularly in a place
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: like Nigeria.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: And Mollie Eli Lake thank you for your big dollop
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: of time as always very very interesting. I appreciate it greatly.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Follow him on exit, Eli Lake. Listen to Breaking History
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• 39:20
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• 39:23
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• 39:25
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• 39:28
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• 39:34
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• 39:44
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• 40:01
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• 40:08
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  Speaker 1: have Brett beher host of special report on Fox News Challenge.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: You can watch him every night at six pm. Brett,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Welcome to you. I did want to begin I'm so
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: sad at Lindsey Graham's passing because he was absolutely the
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: funniest guy I ever interviewed. Did you ever get a
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: chance to play golf with him? Because that must be
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: an experience.
• 40:45
  Speaker 8: I did several times, and it was an experience, you know,
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: all those Southern quips you can imagine about a golf game.
• 40:55
  Speaker 8: He was very funny and often use that time with
• 40:59
  Speaker 8: President Trump to to get some serious policy things figured out,
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: or at least lobbied from his behalf. And as you
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: can imagine, it was a long list because Lindsay was
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: in the middle of everything he was and he liked.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: It that way. I was commenting to a friend that
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: we're watching a transition in the Senate as Mitch mcconaughll
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: prepares to retire, and we wish him well in his recovery.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Lindsay dies John Cornyn has defeated. The people who made
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: the weather in the Senate for a long time are
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: kind of aging out now. John Dunne is not aging out.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: He'll be there for a while. And Tom Cotton's bind him.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: He'll be there for a while. But do you expect
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: the Senate to change much?
• 41:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah?
• 41:39
  Speaker 8: I do. I think you know some of the big wigs,
• 41:43
  Speaker 8: and obviously Lindsay Graham was the top of top of
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: them and thought he would be there for a long time.
• 41:49
  Speaker 8: I think those there is a change, and it's going
• 41:53
  Speaker 8: to require a new kind of herding the cats. When
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: it comes to Republicans, they traditionally have not been good
• 42:00
  Speaker 8: about doing that, at least not as as organized as
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: the Democrats seem to be singing from the same sheet
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: of music. As evidence today that the NDAA the Defense
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: Act was fillibus who buy Democrats and successfully they didn't
• 42:17
  Speaker 8: get Anye know that.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: That never happens. The NBA always passes.
• 42:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so you know, there's trouble in River city here
• 42:27
  Speaker 8: where it comes to funding the Defense Department, and they're
• 42:30
  Speaker 8: going to start back at square one.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Oh my, I wonder if they'll go reconciliation three point zero.
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: Well, we will there meeting at the White House this afternoon.
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: At least the Speaker and a few people are about
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: reconciliation three point zero late this afternoon with the President.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I would love for them to jam two and a
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: half years depending on spending, into one bill and do
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: it because if the House flips or if the Senate flips,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: they won't get anything period.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: Brett.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I think I saw promotion that Trey inks are sitting
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: down with the President today. Is that going to be
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: for sure?
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Reporter?
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Is that some other show?
• 43:02
  Speaker 8: No, it's for us, and you'll see a big junk
• 43:05
  Speaker 8: of that on Special Report. Trey, I think just wrapped
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: up a little a little while ago, Mace. As you
• 43:11
  Speaker 8: can imagine, most of it was about the Middle East
• 43:13
  Speaker 8: and the situation the straight which is, as you know,
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: volatile and changing and adjusting. And Trey, I talked to
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: him today. I know you just taught to him this
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: week as well.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Well. You and I have both spent a lot of
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: time talking to the President and have developed a variety
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: of techniques to get back to whatever we want to
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: talk about. How about Trey, He's used to dodging missiles,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: but is he used to interviewing the president?
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: You know, he's talked to him and he and the
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: President calls him. Now he likes Trey's reporting kind of
• 43:46
  Speaker 8: being straight and to the point and telling what's going
• 43:49
  Speaker 8: on and in the Middle East. So he's picked up
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: the phone and called him, and so they have a
• 43:54
  Speaker 8: rapport and I think Trey will get the job done
• 43:58
  Speaker 8: as far as getting facts out from the President.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Well, I made a rookie mistake yesterday, Brett. You would
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: not make this. President said if Iran had a nuclear weapon,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: they would use it. Now I should have stopped and
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I should have just said, what come on, that's rhetoric, right,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: But I didn't because I was I was moving too fast.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Do you think Iran would actually use a nuke?
• 44:20
  Speaker 10: I mean, I wouldn't.
• 44:21
  Speaker 8: Pould have passed them. You know, they're not. There is
• 44:24
  Speaker 8: a part of that leadership that is sort of a
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: death cult. And and they've said it that Israel death
• 44:33
  Speaker 8: to America, and it's not. I don't think it's a joke.
• 44:36
  Speaker 8: It's hard for me to believe that the logical leadership,
• 44:41
  Speaker 8: and I don't know how many of those who left
• 44:43
  Speaker 8: would not see that the end of the regime and
• 44:45
  Speaker 8: the end of the nation would happen after that.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Well, I remind the audience you covered the Pentagon for
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: years before you did the White House and Anchor special report.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: So what do you see unfolding now in round two?
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I always thought the MLU was halftime, but they came
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: out of the locker room before we did. I thought
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: we'd come out of the locker room after the elections.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: They came out of the locker room, maybe to screw
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: up our election. But I don't see it happening again
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: because the President, as he told me yesterday, they're awful people.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: They're crazy, they're what do you say, you said again, cuckoo?
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: And so you can't deal with people like that.
• 45:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think there was just an increasing level of
• 45:23
  Speaker 8: frustration that they were hearing one thing and then the
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: IRGC would say and do something completely different. And I
• 45:32
  Speaker 8: think what you're going to see now is laying the
• 45:35
  Speaker 8: battlefield of protecting the straight foremost. I think you will
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: have eyes on the so called nuclear dust and what's
• 45:45
  Speaker 8: happening with it. But I think that their main objective,
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: at least so far, the targets we've seen have been
• 45:53
  Speaker 8: Iranian missile sites and IRGC bunkers around the Strait.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: All right, last question, I want to switch over to
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: domestic politics. Brett up in Maine, Susan Collins, of course,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: titan of the Senate Chair of Appropriations on the Intel Committee.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: She had maybe a populist challenger in Graham Plattner, who
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: is rough and ready, and Walrus Mustache. I think they're
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: going to nominate Troy Jackson, who is as bland as
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: butter in the back of the fridge. He's just like
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: the least exciting person in Maine. I don't think she's
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: under threat now, because you really have to know nothing
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: about what's in the best instance of your state to
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: throw out Susan Collins. How do you assess the race
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: with a substitute teacher.
• 46:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think her chance is increase. I'm sure Democrats
• 46:44
  Speaker 8: will spend money there and try to sully her, but
• 46:48
  Speaker 8: you know, she is a veteran of getting through close
• 46:51
  Speaker 8: elections that seem really close until election day and people
• 46:56
  Speaker 8: are going to the box and say, oh, yes, Susans,
• 47:01
  Speaker 8: and then they checked the box. I mean it used
• 47:03
  Speaker 8: to happen. This is exact opposite. But he used to
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: happen with Jesse Helms in North Carolina where he would
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: wait underwater for a lot of the election, and then
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: suddenly people would go in and say, well I know him.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: And you're right, that's exactly what everybody always was looking
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: to knock off Jesse. And they had a bunch of
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: good candidate. They weren't bad candid.
• 47:24
  Speaker 8: They weren't stick Harvey Gant, all these guys.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're right. Brett Bear always good to talk
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: to you. We will be watching tonight at six o'clock,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: both for your analysis and for Trey Yank sitting down
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: with the President on special Report. Thank you, Brett. Author
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: of a book about stolen youth. And she was writing
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: about the benefits of not hovering, and I just want
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: to break from politics for a moment to set that up.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know the backstory, Bethany about the nine kid mom.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Tell me about it.
• 47:53
  Speaker 11: A nine kid mom.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you said that there's been a mom who's been well,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: maybe you didn't write the article with the mom was substack,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: but a mother has been getting criticism for having a
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: ninth baby. Okay, yes that.
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: Was a while ago.
• 48:07
  Speaker 11: Tell me about when you write so many things, you
• 48:10
  Speaker 11: forget what you wrote. So there is a mom Her
• 48:14
  Speaker 11: name on Instagram is very famous as Ballerina farm Hannah
• 48:19
  Speaker 11: something or other, and she recently had her ninth kid,
• 48:23
  Speaker 11: and of course she got canceled for it, and lots
• 48:26
  Speaker 11: of folks were complaining that there's no way.
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: You could possibly take care of nine children.
• 48:31
  Speaker 11: You don't know all of your children. And I wrote
• 48:33
  Speaker 11: a piece at the Mom War is basically saying, like
• 48:36
  Speaker 11: the way that people parent now, of course you can't
• 48:40
  Speaker 11: have nine children and take out all take care of
• 48:43
  Speaker 11: them according to how most people have like one or two.
• 48:46
  Speaker 11: And I was actually having this conversation last night with
• 48:49
  Speaker 11: two young women because this like hyper overparenting that people
• 48:53
  Speaker 11: are doing, the helicoptering is very unique to like one
• 48:58
  Speaker 11: or two kids. You can't can't expand that when you
• 49:02
  Speaker 11: hit three, four, five, six or nine. And I just
• 49:05
  Speaker 11: sort of saw it was an interesting argument from folks
• 49:09
  Speaker 11: who just have no idea what parenting is like, should
• 49:13
  Speaker 11: be like, and what it was once like.
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: And it was much more relaxed and much more enjoyable.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you about that. I am.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: It has to be.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I grew up in Catholic Ohio, which is its own
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: little world, and Catholic Ohio had a lot of eight
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: and nine children families, and the way they operated was
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: they maybe the older ones would look after the younger one.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: But mostly in Warren, Ohio in the sixties and the seventies,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: see you when the street lights go off. That was it.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: And you can come up and make yourself a peanut
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: butter sandwich if you want. And if you want any money,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: you'd better find a job. You know, you can start
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: mowing lawns at ten. And that was it, and it worked.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Nobody got kidnapped, nobody went missing. There were broken arms
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: saying they aren't broken, but they're broken arms. Today, I
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: think the biggest change is the perceived threat to unattended children.
• 50:08
  Speaker 11: What do you think, Yeah, I think so. I mean
• 50:11
  Speaker 11: my number one fear as a parent is not my
• 50:13
  Speaker 11: children getting abducted, but someone seeing my seven year old
• 50:16
  Speaker 11: walking home from synagogue and calling the police on.
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: Us one hundred percent.
• 50:20
  Speaker 11: But if you look at the data and lenors kinesy
• 50:22
  Speaker 11: from free range moms or parents, free range parents. She
• 50:26
  Speaker 11: breaks down this data really really well. So I people
• 50:28
  Speaker 11: want to google it, they should, but it's never it's
• 50:32
  Speaker 11: never been safer to be a parent, and to it's
• 50:35
  Speaker 11: it's not based in data or rationality to fear this,
• 50:40
  Speaker 11: you know, potential sort of kidnapping.
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: From a stranger.
• 50:44
  Speaker 11: It's not a thing that happens any more than lightning strikes.
• 50:48
  Speaker 11: But I think that we hear about it more.
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: But I just I don't think.
• 50:53
  Speaker 11: That a lot of people are capable of rational risk assessment.
• 50:57
  Speaker 11: But it's just it's better for kids if you look
• 51:00
  Speaker 11: look at sort of anxiety levels and all of the
• 51:03
  Speaker 11: confidence levels, it's so much better for kids.
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: To have independence.
• 51:07
  Speaker 11: And you have to swallow this tiny, tiny, tiny risk,
• 51:11
  Speaker 11: but also put it in perspective, the fact that you
• 51:13
  Speaker 11: know your kid is more likely to be hit by
• 51:16
  Speaker 11: lightning than they are to be abducted by a stranger.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: All right. The second big worry is abusive adults, and
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: that's a Catholic church born problem. It came to like
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: first and it's gone other places with priests abusing children.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: But now everyone's got to be fingerprinted before they are babysitters.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Everyone's got to sign in and out of preschool, and
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: I understand what happened. Another overreaction to the threat of
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: abusive children.
• 51:45
  Speaker 11: I think that it doesn't it's not realistic to assume
• 51:48
  Speaker 11: that it's going to catch many people. I mean, it's
• 51:50
  Speaker 11: going to catch the people who are already in the system,
• 51:53
  Speaker 11: but so many people who are abusers are not in
• 51:55
  Speaker 11: the system. So I think it actually creates a false
• 51:57
  Speaker 11: sense of security that you know, oh, they passed the
• 52:00
  Speaker 11: background check. What magic do you think is behind the
• 52:04
  Speaker 11: background check? Is the question I want to ask. I
• 52:06
  Speaker 11: am concerned. I'm not Catholic. Child abused is not exclusive
• 52:11
  Speaker 11: to people in Catholic circles. It happens everywhere. It happens
• 52:14
  Speaker 11: at Jewish summer camps. But how you protect your kid
• 52:18
  Speaker 11: is like you have conversations. If they go to a
• 52:20
  Speaker 11: friend's house, you know who is there? Do I trust
• 52:22
  Speaker 11: everyone in that house? And there's been circumstances where my
• 52:25
  Speaker 11: kids have asked for a sleepover at a friend's house
• 52:28
  Speaker 11: and I'm like that older brother or that dad gives
• 52:31
  Speaker 11: me the hebes and I'm going to say no to
• 52:32
  Speaker 11: that sleepover. You kind of have to evaluate it. And
• 52:35
  Speaker 11: you know, when I send my kids to summer camp.
• 52:37
  Speaker 11: It's the same thing. I talk to the director of
• 52:40
  Speaker 11: the camp and I say, what protocols do you have
• 52:42
  Speaker 11: in place?
• 52:43
  Speaker 8: You know?
• 52:43
  Speaker 11: And my kids tell me, we're not allowed to be
• 52:45
  Speaker 11: in a bunk by ourselves, with a counselor every they
• 52:49
  Speaker 11: a good camp will have protocols in place that prevent abuse.
• 52:54
  Speaker 11: And those are the kinds of places you have to
• 52:56
  Speaker 11: send your kids.
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: And what is.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: The Mandel rule out guns in friends' houses? Do you
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: let them go to a house with guns in it?
• 53:05
  Speaker 11: I mean, they live in a house with guns in it.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's what I want to know. What do you
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: tell them about kids playing with guns? I mean, I
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: think I said a thousand times, don't do drugs, don't
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: drink and drive. And if you see a gun, run away,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: just get out of the house. If anyone brings you
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: out to play with it, you get out of there.
• 53:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 53:23
  Speaker 11: I mean, we keep our we keep our guns locked
• 53:26
  Speaker 11: away with biometric safes and and they're not loaded. We
• 53:29
  Speaker 11: keep the guns in the most separate for that reason,
• 53:32
  Speaker 11: behind different biometric safs, like within different biometric safs. And personally,
• 53:39
  Speaker 11: I don't ask people about guns. My kids, we've talked
• 53:42
  Speaker 11: there when they're old enough to have a plateate, they're
• 53:45
  Speaker 11: old enough to have had a conversation with us about
• 53:46
  Speaker 11: a gun, and so it's it's not high on my
• 53:49
  Speaker 11: list of concerns. Where I grew up in Upstate New York,
• 53:52
  Speaker 11: everyone had a gun, and like I grew up with
• 53:55
  Speaker 11: like a loaded gun in the living room, like laying
• 53:59
  Speaker 11: against corner started.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: My wife no, had a shotgun in her dad's corner.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: It was loaded because they were out in the ranch.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we did here.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Last question, here's my biggest concern about my grandkid. I
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: want them to be readers because of the great joy,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: pleasure and depth that adds to their life. And they
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: are thus far. But the reading statistics did you see
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: them this week?
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: Yes, it's terrifying.
• 54:21
  Speaker 11: So the Atlanta had an incredible cover story about the
• 54:24
  Speaker 11: decline of reading. I wrote actually a piece for the
• 54:26
  Speaker 11: mom Wars. I think it was like a couple of
• 54:29
  Speaker 11: weeks ago about how to raise a reader. And I
• 54:31
  Speaker 11: sat my daughter down with some of her friends who
• 54:34
  Speaker 11: are all readers, and I'll sneak the conclusion of the
• 54:38
  Speaker 11: piece for your listeners.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: It's boredom.
• 54:41
  Speaker 11: That was the answer that these very insightful preteen girls
• 54:44
  Speaker 11: gave me as to why they're readers because they're not
• 54:47
  Speaker 11: shuttled from activity to activity to activity. They just have
• 54:49
  Speaker 11: a lot of time where they're not allowed to be
• 54:51
  Speaker 11: on a screen, and they are in a house that's
• 54:53
  Speaker 11: filled with books, and.
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: They pick up the book.
• 54:55
  Speaker 11: And that's how you kind of raise a reader. In
• 54:58
  Speaker 11: my experience, and I have kids, I would say all
• 55:02
  Speaker 11: of them are readers. The other thing that we do
• 55:05
  Speaker 11: is my kids have a kindle and we don't police bedtime,
• 55:09
  Speaker 11: and so if you want to stay up late, the
• 55:11
  Speaker 11: only thing to do is read on your kindle. And
• 55:14
  Speaker 11: I get emails all night long. This person has purchased
• 55:17
  Speaker 11: another book from the kindle library, and I'm like, well,
• 55:19
  Speaker 11: I wish they had been sleeping at eleven forty five,
• 55:22
  Speaker 11: but at least they were reading instead.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: They were reading. And the flashlight under the bed. That's
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: a new tradition. It's the kindle under the covers. Now,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: how about baseball? Are they allowed to have transistor radios
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: in your home? No, come on, Bethany, they should listen
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: to the Orioles, not to the Nationals, but the Ols.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Bethany Mandal follow her on exit Bethany Sean Dark, read
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: themomwors dot substack dot com and stay tuned. I'll be
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: right back. Thank you, Bethany. Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh Hewett,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: joined by Byron York. He is with the Washington Examiner.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Fox News contributor Byron. We lost a legend this week
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: in Lindsay Graham. I know you interviewed him a thousand times.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: What were your thoughts when you woke up and found
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: out that Lindsay had gone on to the next life.
• 56:09
  Speaker 10: Well, I was absolutely stunned, tell you the truth. I
• 56:12
  Speaker 10: was awakened in the middle of the night. The Fox
• 56:15
  Speaker 10: News was doing overnight coverage of it and asked me
• 56:18
  Speaker 10: to be a part of it, So I tried to
• 56:20
  Speaker 10: quickly gather my thoughts. But you're absolutely right. The thing
• 56:25
  Speaker 10: that strikes you when you think about him is just
• 56:28
  Speaker 10: how many things he was involved with, you know, going
• 56:33
  Speaker 10: back from what he was doing now, which was working
• 56:38
  Speaker 10: on the Iran War, working on the Middle East, working
• 56:44
  Speaker 10: on the war in Ukraine, working on some sort of
• 56:49
  Speaker 10: Abraham accurts going forward, just all this stuff, all the
• 56:53
  Speaker 10: other foreign policy things. He was a chairman of the
• 56:56
  Speaker 10: Budget Committee, he was in the middle of all of this,
• 57:00
  Speaker 10: all of these budget battles. He'd obviously been involved in
• 57:05
  Speaker 10: judicial confirmations. I guess his most famous speech was at
• 57:08
  Speaker 10: the Brett Kavanaugh speech, and after that he was the
• 57:11
  Speaker 10: chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Obviously, you'd been extremely
• 57:15
  Speaker 10: close to John McCain and was a big part of
• 57:18
  Speaker 10: that presidential campaign in two thousand and eight. And if
• 57:21
  Speaker 10: you go back all the way to the Clinton impeachment,
• 57:25
  Speaker 10: he was in the House and he was an impeachment
• 57:28
  Speaker 10: manager in the Clinton impeachment, which and he did a
• 57:31
  Speaker 10: great job. By the way, it's where he got famous.
• 57:33
  Speaker 10: So I mean, just really extraordinarily active life.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Now. I made the point to Brett Behar earlier, the
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Senate is getting older. My Senate, like I'm a boomer,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: you're younger than I am. And Chuck Grassley seems like
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: he'll go forever. But Mitch McConnell's retiring and he's recovering,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: and that's good news. And John Cornyn was defeated and
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: that's bad news. But he was an institutionalist. The Senate
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: is changing. Leater Thoon very much soalist Tom Cotton is
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: coming up behind him very much an institutionalist. But I
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: think there's a big change in the Senate coming. It's
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: already happening on the Democratic side. They're records now on
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: the Democratic side, the Republicans want to hang on to
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: the Senate. Who's going to win that battle?
• 58:16
  Speaker 10: Well, I would have said the Republicans pretty confidently, and
• 58:21
  Speaker 10: I still think that's a real possibility. But you know,
• 58:27
  Speaker 10: on the occasion of Sena Gram's death, I started looking
• 58:30
  Speaker 10: at all the Republicans who are leaving office before there's
• 58:36
  Speaker 10: even an election, and there's ten and maybe eleven if
• 58:41
  Speaker 10: Marca Blackburn wins the governorship at Tennessee, and that number
• 58:46
  Speaker 10: we have not seen that number in decades. So the
• 58:48
  Speaker 10: combination of retirements, age, infirmity, death in the case of
• 58:53
  Speaker 10: Senator Graham, has just really really taken out a lot
• 58:59
  Speaker 10: of important Republican senators, obviously Mitch McConnell being really the
• 59:04
  Speaker 10: most important one. And you and I have talked about
• 59:07
  Speaker 10: what Republicans owe him. If they're happy that there are
• 59:12
  Speaker 10: six Conservatives on the Supreme Court, they need to thank
• 59:17
  Speaker 10: Mitch McConnell for that, for what he did in twenty sixteen,
• 59:21
  Speaker 10: And if they believed always that campaign finance reform was
• 59:26
  Speaker 10: a very bad idea and that the courts would eventually
• 59:29
  Speaker 10: prove it that it was, which they have. You can
• 59:32
  Speaker 10: thank Mitch McConnell for that too. So a lot of
• 59:34
  Speaker 10: people who played really enormous roles in the past couple
• 59:38
  Speaker 10: of decades are leaving the scene.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: So I am curious with the new breed. And by
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: the way, there is within the Republican Caucus a handful
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: to maybe fifteen Senators who would like to break the
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: filibuster because they want to pass the say back, and
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: that includes Mike Lee and Rick Scott, but a majority
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: of the caucus doesn't want to break the filibuster. I
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: believe they're right now. By the way, I think the
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: filibuster is vital to the working of the Republic, but
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: it's not in the Constitution, so it can be broken.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: And Harry Reid is the guy, and it is the
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: nuclear option to break the rules, so that could happen.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: Do you think the new senators will be in favor
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: of breaking the filibuster because the party that's out of
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: power won't want to do it. The party that's then
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: power will want to do it if they're radical, And
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: I just like a slow Senate.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 10: Well, that's the way it was, that's what it was
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 10: designed to be. And you know, I agree with you
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 10: in the sense that I am against killing the silibuster
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 10: and have always been against killing the filibuster. But you know,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 10: it's a harder argument to make, and the pretty much
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 10: certainty that Democrats, if they get the chance, will kill
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 10: the legislative philibuster. I mean, the only reason they didn't
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 10: do it before was because of Kurston Cinema and Joe
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 10: match and both of whom are gone. And you know,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 10: you look thinking about packing the Supreme Court, which doesn't
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 10: require constitutional amendment. All you have to do is pass
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 10: a law.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: And we disagree about that, but go ahead, we disagree.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: I think there's a very strong constitutional amendment argument that
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: the Fourteenth Amendment, followed immediately by the setting at nine
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: makes it a violation of the due process clause of
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: the Fourteenth Amendment to change the number on the court.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 10: But go ahead, law professor here.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: But no one agrees with no, very few people agree
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: with me.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 10: I think it's just I think you just pass a
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 10: law and if the President signs it, there it is.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 10: And you know, if Democrats get the House and the
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 10: Senate and the White House they'll do it. So and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 10: of course, then if that happens, and let's say they
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 10: expand the Supreme Court to thirteen, the next time Republicans
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 10: are in power, you know, perhaps they will change it
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 10: to some other numbers. I think it sets off a
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 10: really really bad series.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: So it's the end of the rule of law, which
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: is why I think it violates the due process. If
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: you change the court and you put on five Justice
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: Brown Jacksons, now you got nine, you're going to thirteen,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: or you put on four Justice Brown Jackson, there is
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: no law. Everything's overturned that she doesn't like. She really
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: is just a political judge. I think she's very good
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: political judge, but she's an what we call results driven judge.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: What does she want the result to be? She'll come
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: up with an argument that's a disaster for the country.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Do you think we're inevitably going there?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 10: Inevitably? I hope not. But you know, do you think
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 10: do you think that the Democrats will nominate a candidate
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 10: for president in twenty twenty eight who opposes expanding the
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 10: Supreme Court. I don't think they will. I think it's
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 10: going to be very hard to win a Democratic nomination
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 10: in that process, that primary process, without pledging to change
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 10: the Supreme Court.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: They need to even if they did pledge. You know,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: back in the FILIBUSTERI debate when Cinnamon Mansion took the arrows,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Hassen and Shaheen were with them, and allegedly some other
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Democrats don't want to break the filibuster. And I think
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Fetterman will be against breaking the filibuster. So they would
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: need to ruin five seats. Boy, even given that they're
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: trying to screw up, that they're trying to cheat in Alaska,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: even given that I don't see that happening. Byron York,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: go to talk to your friend Radio Tillio. It's joined
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: by Rich Lowry, editor in chief of National Review, also
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: the host of the Editor's podcast, although he's been off
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks. Rich, are you back this week?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 6: Yes, sir, just record an episode this morning, which I'm
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: sure is on your podcast list just waiting waiting to
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 6: be listened to.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: It will be I'm just gonna warn you, Noah's very good.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: So you could turn around and the locks could be changed.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: No one might just say Rich is gone. There could
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: be a Coup. I'm just telling you that, rich, give
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: me your take on where we are as at this
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: hour of the blockade is back into effect and strikes
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: from the United States on targets and round or underway.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Where do you think we are?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 6: Well, clearly the war is on again. It never really ended.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: I think both these ceasefires are basically shams. I think
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 6: the best you could say for the MoU was that
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 6: it was a skinny deal, basically a trade of the
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 6: blockade for a trade of freedom of navigation in the Strait.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: But that wasn't what Iran was interested in delivering. They
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 6: thought they were getting control of the Strait, and they
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 6: overplayed their hand pretty typically. And now Trump hopefully has learned,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 6: can't deal with these people. They're not going to take
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 6: half a loaf. They want the whole loaf. They want
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: to humiliate him, they want to see him go away,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 6: and he's going to have to fight a battle for
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 6: control of the Strait.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: I think I told you before, I always visited it
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: as halftime. But they came out of the locker room first.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: I thought we would come out of the locker room
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: after the election, But they came out of the locker
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: room first, and so we went back to war. Yesterday,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: President Trump told me that the MoU was over, is done,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: and it was not not really a deal anyway. I
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: call it a non binding letter of intent. In the
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: real estate world, where I used a lawyer and they'd
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: sign non binding letters of intent all the time, they
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: don't mean anything unless there's earnest money, unless you lose something.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: So it didn't mean anything. Are we better off or
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: worse off today than we were on February twenty eighth,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Rich Lowry.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: I think it's inconclusive. I think we've made a lot
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: of progress, destroying a lot of stuff. I think even
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: if nothing else happened and they were left free to
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 6: restart their nuclear program to try to do it, they
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 6: couldn't do it for years, and that's an enduring achievement
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 6: here that's not going away. But I think it's a
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 6: really big deal. If we were to lose the straight
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 6: up her moves in effect to the Iranian regime, that'd
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: be a huge strategic chit in their for them to
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: have a significant blow to freedom of navigation, which of
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 6: course has been a core strategic tenant of America's Grand
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 6: Strategy Britain's grand strategy. We inherited them going back centuries
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 6: to have so to fight kind of an inconclusive war
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 6: against the who Thias, to free up the Red Sea
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 6: where shipping hasn't returned to where it was prior to
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: that conflict, and then to have Iran take to facts
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: it control there would be very bad, very bad. So
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 6: I think we need to win this struggle one way
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 6: or the other. I don't think it's going to be easy.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure about the President's staying power. I'm not
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: sure whether he's going to apply the necessary levels of force.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 6: But the most optimistic scenario is we find a way
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 6: to innovate militarily the way we have throughout our history,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 6: find a kind of cheaper and easier way to do
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 6: this than we're doing it now, and we at least
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 6: a loosen Iron's grip such as they think that they're
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 6: not no longer going to keep it, and maybe they'll
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 6: cut some sort of deal that's more worth having, or
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 6: we just re establish our control of the Strait. But
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 6: I just view I'm a little skeptical it's going to
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: happen on a time frame that the President is comfortable
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 6: with because he's staring down these midterm elections.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Now the price of oil is only at eighty dollars
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: a barrel, which is pretty remarkable to me. That the
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: strate has closed again, or at least it's contested by Iran,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: and ships have to pay a premium for their insurance
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: policies or not go at all. At tells me that
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: in the sixty days that we were doing the non
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: cease fire ceasefire or the very violent ceasefire alternative roots offer,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: they open those pipelines up, and they may have built
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: another one and we may not know anything about it.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: But also the Iranian oil that got out allowed people
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: to build their reserves up. So I think actually it's
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: worked to our advantage rather significantly, provided that we don't
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: buckle again. In other words, no more bad deals, and
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: by bad deal, I mean no deal. They have to capitulate.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: And I think he's got that staying power. What makes
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: you doubt that he does.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 6: Well because he's obviously worried about the midterms, he's worried
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 6: about gas prices. I'm with you, you know, eighty dollars
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 6: is sustainable, not great, but it could go up from there,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 6: and I don't like a four being the front number
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 6: on the handle of a price gallon of gas. I've
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: seen a lot of threes lately, which is which is better?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 6: But it's that that's one of the main constraints the
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 6: president is facing here. And the Ranians don't have midterm elections,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 6: they don't have any elections whatsoever. And there's a key
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 6: asymmetry in the Gulf, right. They just need to be
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 6: able to fire some projectiles occasionally at a tanker such
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: that it convinces the tankers are too risky to go through.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: And the insurance companies, you know, they need to charge
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: exorbitant prices to insuredy one there and they achieve their goal.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: Our goal is much harder, which is to stop all
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 6: those projectiles from coming.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: So our goal might require not a forever war, but
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: boots on the ground at least for a while to clear,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: if not hold terrain and maybe carg Island. Do you
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: think that's on the table now?
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  Speaker 6: You know, a lot of military experts tell me that's
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  Speaker 6: what it's It would take at the moment, at least
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 6: unless we innovate some other way out of it. Have
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  Speaker 6: a hard time he was seeing the president doing that.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think I think he will do whatever
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  Speaker 1: he has to do to keep this straight open because
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't want oil to go to one hundred dollars
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: a barrel. Because it goes two hundred dollars a barrel,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: we lose. The Senate House is gone.
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  Speaker 4: In my view anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Rich So he's going to get impeached. I said to
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  Speaker 1: him yesterday, you're going to get impeached. He didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about it, but that's what I think. He's
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  Speaker 1: going to get impeached. And it's a cost of doing
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: business after Donald Trump. Now, he did tell me they
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: were going to hit Pickaxe Mountain. That makes me happy
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: only because David Albright, Eli Lakewitz, Richard Goldberg, they all say,
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  Speaker 1: we got to smoke as much as we can Pickaxe Mountain.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think about that.
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  Speaker 6: I've never heard of get a good explanation why we
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  Speaker 6: didn't do it when the war was going full tilled.
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  Speaker 6: So yes, I would think unless there's some good reason
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  Speaker 6: we're not aware of why you're not doing it, you
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  Speaker 6: should do it tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the only reason I come up with is that
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: the military has concluded the spies. In the eyes of
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  Speaker 1: the spy, there's nothing there and Israel's got good intelligence.
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  Speaker 1: We don't have to hit it. Let's not waste ordinance,
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  Speaker 1: not understanding that the world of public opinion wants it smoked,
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  Speaker 1: and that matters, doesn't it. If the world thinks it's dangerous,
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  Speaker 1: we should hit it.
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  Speaker 6: Well, if we know reliably, like one hundred percent, there's
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  Speaker 6: nothing there, and then you don't need to smoke it.
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  Speaker 6: Don't use the munitions, don't do it. But given what
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  Speaker 6: I've heard about it from the same people that you're
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 6: just citing, it's a mystery to me why we haven't
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 6: hit it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, last thing I want to ask you about. I
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: asked him, is it time for the people of your
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: on to come out? You promised help is on the way.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: When it got there, it was too late. Fifty thousand
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: people were dead. And his answer, quite lengthy, is you
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: can't expect people to walk out and get massacred. What
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: do you think?
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  Speaker 6: I think he's correct. I think they don't have guns.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 6: The regime does have guns. As long as the regime
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 6: has guns and has people willing to fire those guns,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 6: you can't have a successful popular uprising. And I assume
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  Speaker 6: the memories are very stark. This is just a couple
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: months ago where people are losing their loved ones gun
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  Speaker 6: down in the streets. So I just can't imagine there's
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 6: much appetite to do that again. And my thought always
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 6: has been, if all this, if this conflict has shaken
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  Speaker 6: something loose, it's not going to be in weeks. It's
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 6: not going to be months. It may be a year
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 6: or two from now, and it's impossible to predict, and
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  Speaker 6: it's not going to happen on a timeline that's convenient
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 6: to us. I afraid, I'm afraid.
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  Speaker 1: The last quote from Mitro's interview with the President, he said,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: if they got a nuclear weapon, they would use it.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: I went right by that. Bad on you. I should
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  Speaker 1: have stopped and said, wait a minute, why do you
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: think that? But I didn't. I was going elsewhere do
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  Speaker 1: you think they would use a nuclear weapon? And if
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: you do believe that, or if the president believes that,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't that change the whole calculus.
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  Speaker 6: I don't believe that. I don't think they'd get a
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  Speaker 6: new can immediately launch it at someone. I think they'd
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  Speaker 6: be willing to use it, more willing to use it
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  Speaker 6: than any other government or society that has a nuke
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  Speaker 6: on Earth. So that's what you worry about, and then
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  Speaker 6: they wouldn't have to use it.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 6: A big point of having nukes is just to deter
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 6: your adversaries, in this case very much, including us. So
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: that's why it's been considered intolerable across all sorts of
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: presidencies from both parties that the Iranians would get a
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 6: nuclear weapon and if nothing else happens again, we have
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 6: set that program back for years. And that's a concrete
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 6: and very worthy achievement.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Rich every other nuclear state is either atheist
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: or Shuni, Pakistan or India. None of them have twelveth theology.
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  Speaker 1: Twelve everth theology is crazy and it calls for chaos
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  Speaker 1: to bring back the hidden inmon Don't we have to
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  Speaker 1: treat them different than every other nuclear ambitious state.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, we've made undertaken a major effort
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  Speaker 6: here at a great cost to keep them from having it.
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  Speaker 6: So I think that's appropriate and no goal I support,
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  Speaker 6: Although Hugh, I got to think the president, and as
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  Speaker 6: heart ofhearts, if you had to do this over again,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 6: he wouldn't do it. You'd find out another way to
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  Speaker 6: launch this operation. You wait to after the mid terms.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: But he's in it.
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  Speaker 6: You can't go back in time, and the Iranians have
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  Speaker 6: shown there's no halfway fake diplomatic deal that's going to
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  Speaker 6: be tolerable for our national security interests.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: Well, he said yesterday they were three to four weeks
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: away from breakout. If he's right, he had to go
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  Speaker 1: Welcome Back, America. I'm Hugh Hewlett, joined now by Ambassador
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  Speaker 1: Michael Orn former as Realia Ambassador of the United States,
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  Speaker 1: now head of these advocacy project DOCRAN.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: I was talking about your prime minister with President Trump yesterday. Boy,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: that sounds good. That's name dropping one on one. So
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: I was talking to President Trump about bb Nania yesterday
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: and he said, bybe is a wartime prime minister, and
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: he likes somebody gets along with him. They disagree. The
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: President is right when they disagree, but he doesn't know
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: the other people. What do you make of that?
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 12: I just to tell you, I had a Schrodinger's hat.
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  Speaker 13: We had a moment about ten minutes ago because I'm
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 13: watching Israeli News and there's Hugh Hewett talking to President
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 13: Trump on Israeli News.
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  Speaker 12: So you're looking good on Israeli Channel twelve.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: What do I make of it? Well?
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 13: The headline in Israel tonight's a little bit different. That
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 13: Trump had a difficult conversation with Natanyao telling him that
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 13: these really forces have to withdraw from both from Syria
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 13: and from Lebanon, that our president's military presidents in Seria
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 13: is going to cause an escalation with the Syrian government.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 13: And you know, and Nathaniell has to say any him, Okay,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 13: you know, we're happy to get out, but let's make
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 13: peace first. And if you can assure our people in
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 13: Northern Galley that they're not going to come under rocket fire,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 13: if you can assure the Drus of Lebanon of Syria
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 13: that they're not going to be massacred by the government
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 13: in Damascus, because that was the case. Is one of
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 13: the reasons that Israel went into Syria to begin with,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 13: to protect the Drus there. And we have a Drews
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 13: population here that is dear to us. It's say, what
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 13: we call a blood covenant between us and the Drus.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 13: We can't be seen or in fact, you know a
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 13: band in the Drus of Syria.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 12: You know, this is a complex situation.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 13: Israel doesn't enjoy having our troops beyond our borders, especially
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 13: since the reservists have spent literally hundreds of days in
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 13: reserve service. It's very, very difficult, but they cannot leave
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 13: these positions without endangering the entire population of northern Israel.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 13: And that is not just a strategic consideration for Israel,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 13: it's an existential situation for Israel.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: I'm batchador. Yesterday I read Manny Fabian story on Beaufort
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: Castle and what's below it. The Prime Minister out of
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: send the President the pictures of what's below Beaufort castles.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: That's insane. A ten to fifteen year project to dig
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: out an impregnable fortress from which to assault Israel three
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: miles from the Israeli border. That's insane.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 13: It's insane, but it's entirely part of the course. Entirely
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 13: part of the course. What do you think is Bola
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 13: is doing there with the Iranians. They're not there to
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 13: you know, the sun and summer. They're there to prepare
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 13: for an invasion, to visit what they call the Operation
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 13: for the Conquest.
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  Speaker 12: Of Galley, and they're very serious about it.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 13: They trained a force of what they call the Red
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 13: One Force, which is something in the order of about
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 13: five thousand highly trained terrorists that would rush across the
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 13: border in tunnels, on para gliders, on motorcycles and take
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 13: over all of Galilee all the way up to Haifa,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 13: massacring and killing on a scale that would certainly dwarf
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 13: that of Haamas on October seventh, twenty twenty three. These
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 13: are not issues which Israel has any wiggle room.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 12: You zero wiggle room. Again.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 13: We want nothing better to bring our women and men
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 13: home from serving in Lebanon and in Syria.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 12: But this is an issue. I'm going to say it again.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 12: It's not just about our security, it's about our existence.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 13: If we give up in the northern part of the country,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 13: you might as well kiss the entire country goodbye.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: Now you're the diplomat. I'm the talk radio host and
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: journalist and television radio guy. All I know is I
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: ask questions. The President said, baby's a wartime prime minister.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: We get along very well. He thinks highly of them.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: If that conversation actually has and I happened, and I
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: see the Axis report that it did, what's the prime
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: minister going to do? What's any prime ministers are going
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: to do except tap dance and say what you said?
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: Happy to get out. We got to get rid of
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: has Bella, and I'm as first, that's what.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 12: They's got to say.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 13: I mean, that's why he gets the big shekels right,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 13: and he's going to have to say the President Trump, listen,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 13: we so appreciate it. Everything you've done for us in
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 13: the past. We appreciate what you're doing to Iran right
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 13: now tonight. And by the way, Israel's on very high
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 13: alert tonight for the possibility of the recredescence of war
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 13: between US and Iran, and the audience is being very
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 13: careful not to strike at us or striking it everybody else,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 13: because they know if to strike at us, We're going
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 13: to strike back, you.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 12: Know, thirtyfold.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 13: But we appreciate and we appreciate the reimposition of the
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 13: American blockade of the Strait of Hermos, which I think
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 13: is a key to forcing Iran's hand and perhaps even
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 13: bringing down the Iranian regime. All that is good, We
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 13: appreciate it deeply. But certain things we cannot concede. And
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 13: you know, mister President, you would want your kids and
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 13: your grandkids to be living in Upper Galley right now
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 13: at a time when these really forces are withdrawing from Lebanon.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: In Syria.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: So my focus yesterday with the President was on Pickaxe Mountain,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: and I came away relieved that a knows all about it,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: be he doesn't think it's off the target list. Indeed
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: it's coming soon. What do you know about Pickaxe Mountain?
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: What do they say in Israel about it?
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  Speaker 12: It's far down, it is dug.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 13: So deep under the mountains the Iranians that even at
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 13: bunker Buster and Bob can't reach it. And how the
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 13: United States plans to attack it, whether they attack it
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 13: solely from the air, perhaps using is really experience attacking
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 13: it from the ground as well. Back in the early
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 13: autumn of twenty twenty four, one hundred and twenty is
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 13: really commandos went into Syria and dismantled an entire missile
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 13: making factory.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 12: So we have some experience in this area.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 13: We may have to go in that direction and create
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 13: a cordon sanitaire around the mountain where.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 12: No Iranian forces can approach.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 13: Something very similar was done with the rescue of that
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 13: American pilot who was shot down over Syria, and send
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 13: in special forces and blow the place up in the
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 13: way that bunker Busters cannot do from the air. But
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 13: the Unions have been working on that site. And when
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 13: you're working on that site, that means only one thing.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 13: The Uronions are trying to restart their nuclear program and
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 13: perhaps rush out and break out to create a nuclear weapon.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Did not Israel do that with Syria towards the end
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: of the George W. Bush administration, didn't they go into
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: Syria and destroy a nuclear facility.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 13: From the air, again from the air, but with certain
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 13: forces that were helping in the targeting. But it was
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 13: from the air, but that was a surface of facility.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 13: It wasn't underground. This is a horse of a very
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 13: different color, and that color is a deep, deep black.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 12: It's underground. And you know, I don't see.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 13: I'm not an expert in the capabilities of a B
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 13: two bomber carrying a thirty thousand pound bunk orbuster bomb,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 13: but it appears under this met the Iranians built pick
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 13: Axe Mountain facility precisely with the B two in mind.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 13: And how they could escape bombing by the aircraft.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: If they did that, that is a conundrum, quick question.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: He also said that the American and Israeli militaries can
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: get the third and fourth and fifth string of the
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: Iranian leadership if they need too.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 12: You agree, yeah sure, yeah sure, And listen.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 13: From Miser's perspective, we have unfinished business with Iran. We
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 13: are prepared to go back into full scale kinetic activity.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 13: But right now the United States is systematically degrading the Iriians,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 13: reimposing that blockade. From Israeli perspective, all of that is
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 13: good news.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: Michael Warren, thank you, founder of the Israel Advocacy