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  Speaker 1: dusted draft at the end of this month, and in
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  Speaker 1: accordance with that, I'm starting to hit the home stretch
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  Speaker 1: of our own here on this show. The past several weeks,
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  Speaker 1: even in the past month or so, has been kind
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  Speaker 1: of setting the table for what the roster looks like
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  Speaker 1: this year, what it it'll look like going forward, positional
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  Speaker 1: archetypes the Bills look for, and then juxtaposing that and
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  Speaker 1: putting that into conjunction with their current needs, what that
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  Speaker 1: looks like, how to maximize value in this draft class,
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  Speaker 1: on free agency now we are fully shifting into draft mode.
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  Speaker 1: And with that being said, tonight's episode kicks off the
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  Speaker 1: next several weeks of episodes where we will be diving
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  Speaker 1: into specific position groups. On each of these shows, the
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  Speaker 1: biggest positions of need for the Bills. Talking about the
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  Speaker 1: prospects that fit these needs the best where they can
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  Speaker 1: be had, full evaluations, rankings, player commerce, station value, fit, scheme, structure,
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  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff in full deep dive of
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  Speaker 1: x's and os and evaluation to kind of put things
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  Speaker 1: into perspective before the Bills officially draft who they draft
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  Speaker 1: at the end of this month. And this episode, as
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  Speaker 1: I hope you would have guessed by the title and
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  Speaker 1: the pieces in the description, will focus around the edge
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  Speaker 1: position and the edge class. And with that being said,
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  Speaker 1: I am joined by my guest in this episode to
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  Speaker 1: dive into the twenty twenty five edge grouping that is
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  Speaker 1: mister James Foster, NFL and draft analyst of the thirty
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  Speaker 1: third team. James, I think this is your four of
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  Speaker 1: appearance on the show. I think somewhere around there. I
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  Speaker 1: can't remember officially, but you're awesome. I appreciate you taking
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  Speaker 1: the time to join me. Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. Always a pleasure.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll get into it from a high level perspective
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  Speaker 1: and then dive into the meat of all of it
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to prospects, rounds, all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: High level thoughts on this twenty twenty five edge class
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  Speaker 1: where you think the ranks are or you know, certain
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  Speaker 1: value pieces that you like, anything and everything. From a
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  Speaker 1: high level, what you think about this twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 1: edge class.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's a very strong, you know, compared to
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  Speaker 5: last year, Like I had ten Day one or Day
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  Speaker 5: two grades on edge rush edge rushers. This year I
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  Speaker 5: have sixteen, and you know, I think it's I think
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  Speaker 5: it's probably pretty similar to last year as far as
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  Speaker 5: top and talent. But where this class is really deep
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  Speaker 5: is like late second to third round. There's just there's
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  Speaker 5: so many guys that I think could either be like
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  Speaker 5: potential edge ones or I feel really good about them
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  Speaker 5: being an edge two, and that's gonna be kind of
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  Speaker 5: that that you know, early third round grade.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's a good year to need an edge.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, unfortunately, if you do need an edge,
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  Speaker 5: that you could say the exact same thing for pretty
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  Speaker 5: much every in the NFL. So I don't necessarily think
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  Speaker 5: you're going to be able to get like insane value
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  Speaker 5: because every team is going to go into this draft
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  Speaker 5: thinking like, oh, well, why don't we take an edge
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  Speaker 5: in the second round.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair, and you know it for those who
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  Speaker 1: don't know, you know, our thoughts and analysis here are
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  Speaker 1: always kind of to keep it organic. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what James is going to say, James is knowing I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to say, but I'm in lockstep with you on
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  Speaker 1: where the value is for this grouping I feel like,
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  Speaker 1: and that's also I think, what's funny but also kind
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  Speaker 1: of I guess you could play either side of it,
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like what's kind of annoying with like
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  Speaker 1: the Bills draft picks in this class, like where they
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  Speaker 1: are and you know they're pick thirty in round one,
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  Speaker 1: two second rounders, no third, and then just a whole
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  Speaker 1: bunch of day threes. And I feel like, especially with EDGE,
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  Speaker 1: there's so much value starting in like the middle of
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  Speaker 1: round two through like the middle of round four. But
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the Bills are in this weird spot
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  Speaker 1: for EDGE where you have to hope that you know,
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  Speaker 1: someone falls to you at thirty, or hope someone falls
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  Speaker 1: at fifty six or sixty two in round two, or
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  Speaker 1: you're potentially reaching for someone maybe at the end of
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  Speaker 1: round two because you're not going to pick again until
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  Speaker 1: pick one oh nine, and then play that game and
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  Speaker 1: hope that there's still someone there in round four, which
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  Speaker 1: technically they could do given how their edge grouping is
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  Speaker 1: built out right now, but it's yeah, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: edge is this weird. It kind of puts them in
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  Speaker 1: this like Bermuda triangle or no man's land positioning because
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  Speaker 1: you know, depending again, it's all depending on who's there.
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  Speaker 1: But maybe reaching for somebody at the end of round two,
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  Speaker 1: or you're trying to play that waiting game and hope
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  Speaker 1: you're you know, crush your fingers and hope somebody's there
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  Speaker 1: in round four, or maybe try to package some of
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  Speaker 1: their stuff in round three or from day three and
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  Speaker 1: move up and get a third round or something like that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, would definitely I think makes a lot of sense
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  Speaker 5: to try to trade one of those second round picks
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  Speaker 5: back into the third because I agree with you as
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  Speaker 5: far as where the value kind of is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's an interesting and a lot of usefulness.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's some fun skill sets and traits throughout again,
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  Speaker 1: like really through the first through the first two days,
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  Speaker 1: early into round three. A lot of usefulness, some schematic
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  Speaker 1: versatility and variety. But you know, some dudes who tested well,
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  Speaker 1: some guys with some really good tape with that being said, James,
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  Speaker 1: let's dive right into it all right. We'll start with
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  Speaker 1: round one, and for those who don't you know know,
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  Speaker 1: or who are live joining us live and playing at home,
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  Speaker 1: James and I are going to go through edge targets
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  Speaker 1: for round one, for round two, and then day three
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  Speaker 1: talk about it from a broad scale. Obviously, there's a
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  Speaker 1: ton of picks for the bills on day three and
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  Speaker 1: also more rounds, so that's kind of how we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: break it down. For those of you watching live, or
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  Speaker 1: if you're not watching live, that's fine too. Feel free
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  Speaker 1: to play along with us. Who do you want in
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  Speaker 1: each of these rounds? Who are you targeting? Why are
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  Speaker 1: you targeting them? What do you think of our targets?
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  Speaker 1: Do you hate our targets, do you hate us? Whatever's
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  Speaker 1: Let us know. Super chats obviously get prior, aready because
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  Speaker 1: I respect the monetary donation and the color attracts me
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  Speaker 1: away from my notes like a cat with a laser pointer.
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  Speaker 1: So again, anybody joining us live, chat it up, talk
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  Speaker 1: it up, engagement, let us know your thoughts, questions, comments, concerns,
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  Speaker 1: anything and everything. James, you are the guests. The floor
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  Speaker 1: is yours when it comes to the bills. Pick thirty
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  Speaker 1: in round one right now, if they are looking at
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  Speaker 1: edge at that position, who or whom? If it's multiple guys,
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's right. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: should be targeted by them? At pick thirty in round one?
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  Speaker 5: So I have I have eight edge rushers in my
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  Speaker 5: top thirty, but Abdul Carter is number two on my board.
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  Speaker 5: The other seven are all between sixteen and twenty seven.
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  Speaker 5: Oh wow, there's like a huge logjam.
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  Speaker 3: And I've actually got sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, and twenty
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  Speaker 3: on my board that are all edge. So I'll just
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  Speaker 3: give you them an order really quick.
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  Speaker 5: Shamar Stewart, Okay, I've got Mike Green at edge three,
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  Speaker 5: Mikeel Williams Edge four, Donovan Izaaku, Jalen Walker, James Pierce,
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  Speaker 5: and then at twenty seven overall, I've got Brayden Swinson
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  Speaker 5: out of LSU. So you know, there's it's a lot
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  Speaker 5: of different like almost players that kind of play different positions,
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  Speaker 5: you know, but a lot of different styles.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 5: I think that Shamar Stewart and MIKEL Williams, it's pretty
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  Speaker 5: fair to expect them to be off the board for
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  Speaker 5: the bills. The same thing I think could be said
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  Speaker 5: for Jalen Walker, who's probably gonna go a lot earlier
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  Speaker 5: than I would be comfortable.
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  Speaker 3: Taking him, and so realistic options.
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  Speaker 5: You know, if if Mike Green falls based on the
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  Speaker 5: off field stuff, you know, it would have to depend
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  Speaker 5: on whether or not they were comfortable with that.
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  Speaker 3: But I think that.
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  Speaker 5: Just as a pass rusher, I think he's one of
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  Speaker 5: the He has like one of the best pass rushing
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  Speaker 5: play and like counter strategies in this class. The way
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  Speaker 5: that he gets into counter moves is just seamless and
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  Speaker 5: you know, able to string moves together so effectively. So
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  Speaker 5: I really like what he brings on the field. Donovanizeraku
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  Speaker 5: has been one of my favorite players, like since that
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  Speaker 5: Florida State game really early in the year, maybe like
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  Speaker 5: week two he was he popped off the screen and
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  Speaker 5: I've been following him ever since and like just love
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  Speaker 5: so much about his game.
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  Speaker 3: It's just and like I've got him a lot.
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  Speaker 5: Higher than consensus. I've got him nineteenth on my board.
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  Speaker 5: It's just like what concerns me about him is we've
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  Speaker 5: seen players like him that just have kind of a
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  Speaker 5: capped ceiling in the NFL because he isn't that explosive
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  Speaker 5: and he pretty much never wins with power. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: he's a great speed rusher, really good bend, long arms,
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  Speaker 5: good hand used to but I think he might kind
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  Speaker 5: of be limited to like a complementary sort of role.
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  Speaker 5: You know, James Pierce is a really interesting player because
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  Speaker 5: he doesn't fit into a lot of like prototypes or
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  Speaker 5: kind of categories or boxes that you want to put
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  Speaker 5: him in. It's like a weird blend of strengths and weaknesses.
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  Speaker 5: Where he's he's really explosive in a straight line. He's
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  Speaker 5: he's tall, but he has shorter arms, he doesn't really
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  Speaker 5: bend that effectively. There are flashes where he's he's really
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  Speaker 5: good with his hands, but I think he struggles to like, uh,
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  Speaker 5: really like break contact when when blockers put their hands
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  Speaker 5: on him and and kind of sustain his rush effort.
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  Speaker 5: And then you'd expect him to kind of be soft
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  Speaker 5: against the run, but he was actually really had like
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  Speaker 5: a sturdy anchor this year and plays with a good motor.
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  Speaker 3: So kind of ye just a weird.
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  Speaker 5: Blend of skills and somebody that also there's kind of
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  Speaker 5: some noise like off the field with him and being
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  Speaker 5: like having gone to Tennessee, I can I can verify
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  Speaker 5: some of that, like I heard stuff like way before,
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  Speaker 5: like way early in the season. So yeah, definitely an
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  Speaker 5: interesting character for sure. And then Braden Swinson, I love
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  Speaker 5: He's he just kind of does everything at like a
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  Speaker 5: B plus level. He can win with power, good explosiveness.
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  Speaker 5: Not the best bend, but you know, good enough with
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  Speaker 5: his hands and explosive off the ball enough to where
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  Speaker 5: he can he can win as a speed rusher, and
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  Speaker 5: then gives you some inside counters as well.
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  Speaker 3: So I think, you know somebody who led.
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  Speaker 5: The SEC and pressures tested pretty well and has has
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  Speaker 5: such a layered and multifaceted skill set. Those kind of
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  Speaker 5: guys don't last long in the draft. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: having him, how about him as a top thirty two players.
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  Speaker 5: Definitely a lot higher than most people have them. But
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  Speaker 5: I mean he's like eighty first on the consensus board,
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  Speaker 5: and to me, there's no way he gets that far.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got an interesting The first thing that I
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  Speaker 1: let me pull up my I switched out of it.
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  Speaker 1: The first thing that I have in my notes for
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  Speaker 1: in my valuation for Swinston is I wrote, I wrote
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  Speaker 1: some of everything, size, length, ben dip athleticism, hand usage, juice, speed,
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  Speaker 1: some speed to power, some push pull. I wrote that
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  Speaker 1: he's caught, He's caught in between, not necessarily in a
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  Speaker 1: bad way, but yeah, I feel like everything from a
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  Speaker 1: measurable standpoint, from a play style standpoint, like you could
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  Speaker 1: make the case that he's like a six to like
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  Speaker 1: a seven point five out of ten for like all
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  Speaker 1: these different pieces. And I wonder, I wonder for him,
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  Speaker 1: like what does a team tap into, like how do
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  Speaker 1: they use him? And you know, you know, playing at
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  Speaker 1: Oregon before he went to LSU. If I g his
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  Speaker 1: skill he'll see his skill set really intriguing as a
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  Speaker 1: rock is one for me as well.
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  Speaker 2: Who I.
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  Speaker 1: I loved him the first time I watched him, and
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  Speaker 1: I think it was the first game I watched. I
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  Speaker 1: think it was the pick game where he had like
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  Speaker 1: a million pressures or it was fourteen or fourteen pressures
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  Speaker 1: like six stop someone godly number. And he flashes the
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  Speaker 1: hands to get the right tackle to go for the punch,
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  Speaker 1: and he just effortlessly dips underneath the hands, turns the corner,
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  Speaker 1: flattens and buries the quarterback and like that type of
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  Speaker 1: bend in the lower body, like and then between the
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  Speaker 1: torso and the hips the fluidity, but then also like
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  Speaker 1: the body control and the core strength to turn that
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  Speaker 1: corner and flatten. And you watch him do that regularly
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  Speaker 1: go through you know, whether he's ghosting somebody and just
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  Speaker 1: beating him with speed or athleticism or fluidity, or he
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  Speaker 1: also has some good core strength to kind of if
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  Speaker 1: he can get that corner, he doesn't have to come
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  Speaker 1: through clean, like he can kind of power through and
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  Speaker 1: flatten and rip through that shoulder a little bit. Some
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  Speaker 1: of my concerns for him just really come down to
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  Speaker 1: and you talk about it a bit kind of like
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  Speaker 1: the ceiling being capped, Like I wonder what he looks
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  Speaker 1: like from a final like a final form perspective in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL, Like, does he play it two point fifty?
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  Speaker 1: Does somebody try to add a little more weight to
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  Speaker 1: him so he can play it like two point fifty five?
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  Speaker 1: And with how long his arms are, you know, thirty
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  Speaker 1: four inch arms, fifth longest in this edge class. Does
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  Speaker 1: somebody tried to build that frame out a little bit
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  Speaker 1: and and hopefully help him? I think hold up at
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  Speaker 1: the point of attack better, especially against the run against
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  Speaker 1: NFL size and strength. I'd love for him to just
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  Speaker 1: be more of a bully against tight ends. I think
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  Speaker 1: adding some weight could do that as well. And then
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  Speaker 1: given the frame, I think he could add some weight
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  Speaker 1: without losing too much juice. And the rest of his
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  Speaker 1: testing is good six point ninety four and the three
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  Speaker 1: cone a four point one to nine in the shuttle
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  Speaker 1: like he tests well. You see the athleticism, the pass
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  Speaker 1: rush plan, the understanding the moves. The big thing for
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  Speaker 1: me too, the hand precision, Like watching him with his
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  Speaker 1: hand usage when he'll when he's disengaging from a lock
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  Speaker 1: or if he's going with a cross chop. It's just
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  Speaker 1: like you constantly see the hand on the wrist, Like
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  Speaker 1: he's just got good such good hand eye coordination in
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  Speaker 1: terms of where he uses his hands and the timing
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  Speaker 1: of all of it and then timing that and tying
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  Speaker 1: that into the fluidity and the athleticism is really nice.
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  Speaker 1: He's somebody that hey, I you know you. I love
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  Speaker 1: how many I just you haven't round one.
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  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: And I also love too, like how much you stick
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  Speaker 1: to your boards every year, like and you acknowledge what
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  Speaker 1: the consensus is, but I feel like there's so many
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  Speaker 1: people in the draft space whose evaluations or rankings mirror
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  Speaker 1: or mimic what one particular person has or what the
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  Speaker 1: consensus has. And year after I remember you and I
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  Speaker 1: both sitting here last year gushing about how much we
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  Speaker 1: love ad Mitchell and we didn't care like where everyone
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  Speaker 1: else had and what the concerns were. So I always respect.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, just the decision I made when I first started
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  Speaker 5: doing it is like I do not care about being
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  Speaker 5: right or wrong, Like obviously I would.
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  Speaker 3: Love to be right.
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  Speaker 5: But if you like play it scared and worried about
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  Speaker 5: like bad takes, you know, people like pulling up bad takes,
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  Speaker 5: it's like it's just you're not gonna be uh, it's
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  Speaker 5: not gonna be interesting analysis, and it's you're gonna have
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  Speaker 5: times where you like deep down think something, but then
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  Speaker 5: you like kind of uh drift towards the consensus and
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  Speaker 5: end up regretting it. So I'm just like try to
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  Speaker 5: just like fully give my analysis.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and I do that, so I like lock myself
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily locked, but like I avoid rankings from I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to be influenced like I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: know what so and so thinks about a player or
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  Speaker 1: a grouping because I don't want to influence my rankings
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  Speaker 1: or my board. So I like a ironically like, I
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: avoid as much draft analysis as I can until I'm
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: done with all my stuff, so I don't get influenced
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: subconsciously or consciously, right exactly.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: The one thing I will say every year there are
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: I find this, especially watching the edge rushers. You one
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: thing you really notice is who the best ad tackles
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: are in college football. Yes, like last year it was
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: the the UCLA left tackle, Like poor guy. Everyone had
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: their best game against him. I mean, he's like one
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: of the worst power for college football players I've ever seen.
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: You mentioned the Pittsburgh game after they lost Branson Taylor,
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: who will probably get drafted. He played like five games
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: their tackles were so bad, So I kind of like,
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: I almost treat Pittsburgh for edge rushers as like an
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: FCS team for evaluation purposes. Not that that's Easieraky's only
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: good game, but it is. I remember, like he dominated
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: that game. But if you watch kind of like every
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: acc pass rusher, you start to realize that like everybody
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: had their best game against Pittsburgh. The other one that
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: I would mention is Mississippi State. Every SEC pass rusher
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: had their best game against mississip State. So yeah, those
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: those are the two caveats that they're out there.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: No, that's that's a good call. It's funny too also,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: seeing like because the first thing I do and always
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: to figure out the games. I usually like to watch
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: four to six games per player, and I always try
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: to get like like their most productive game statistically, their
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: least productive game statistically. And then in between that, I'm
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: looking for, you know, the teams that have you know, again,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: if I'm looking for an SEC edge, I'm like, okay,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: how many how many games did you go up against
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Will Campbell? So I'm looking for all their games against LSU,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: for example, and go for the competition. And yeah, it's
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: funny to see, like when you looking at certain guys,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: like the ACC guys, and I'm like checking out their stats,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, so and so had a good game
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: against pitt So and so also had a good game
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: against pitt And it's like, ah, you just watched that,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: like continue or if I noticed something like I have
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: to make it, Oh who was it last year, and
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: there was one this year too, like a starter. Oh oh,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: it's just gonna drive me nuts. It was an edge
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: rusher earlier, and I don't want to waste too much
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: time trying to find it, but somebody the the the
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: right tackle, like his elbow got jammed into him early
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: because the running back tried to chip and it caused
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: some arc awkwardness, and then the right tackle went out
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: and then this dude just feasted and I was like, okay,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: this is a game. But also always against the backup
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: right tackle, like even those nuggets of like it just
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: matters so much. But yeah, as a rocket was one
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: that I find interesting from a pass rust perspective, and
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: especially for like a Bills fit, Like I don't you know,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: they don't need him to do so much rundown work
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: right now, given how their edge grouping is constructed. I
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: feel like he can be more of a mercenary and
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: a hunter on pass rush downs and situations. I wouldn't
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: mind the pick there if he's the pick at thirty again,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: just the fluidity and the length and how it all
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: ties together. But he is somewhat of a non archetypal
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: fit for them. He has the requisite length, but they
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: love speed to power compression guys, guys who will just
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: run through you and if you can dip a little,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: that might be fun. But traditionally they haven't gone towards that.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: So he's also kind of redundant, Like he's a better player,
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: but kind of redundant.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: With Javon, Solomon is like the shorter guy with long arms.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: He's like really bendy.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I wonder, like, what do they think of Solomon?
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Do they see him as like an upgrade to that?
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Do they think it's redundant? Do they not care? And
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: so that's where I see like and necessarily not being
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: a fit the one that I think is like their
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: dream fit if someone were to fall. And also, even
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: even though I've kind of I'm going to talk out
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: of both sides of my mouth, I think this would
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: be a great fit for the Bills, And what I'm
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: about to say, I think this guy would be a
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: great fit for the Bills and a pick that I
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: would welcome. I also think it's a player that the
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Bills would a thousand percent welcome. But it is a
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: type of archetype and skill set that I have wanted
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: them to gravitate away from if mikel Williams somehow falls,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: he is their dream, like the size, the length, the power,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: the compression he is. I don't want to say he's
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: like A. I don't. I don't like. I don't. I
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: hate doing comps because then people get the wrong idea.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: But like him and Greg Russou operate in the same
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: stratosphere one thousand percent like and if you have those guys,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: the edge setting presence against the run, the length. I
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: really like how much he played through that ankle injury
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: that just I thought he broke his ankle against Clemson.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I remember watching that game live, I'm sure like so
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: many people were, and I was like, oh my god,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: this dude's gonna be done for the whole year, and
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: he managed to just play through it. I think he
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: would see an uptick in production and just even in
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: terms of how he gets used if he can play
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: the actual edge and not have to be the four.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I like he is so much with Georgia's mid front
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and what he does. I thought he is pretty good,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: like decent to good change of direction considering his size
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: and his build. But he's got good eyes. What you
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: expect from Georgia. He's good at recognizing blocks screens, really
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: good at reading mesh points in the backfield. He's got
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: a good surf technique. He can shut down the read
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: option or even has the stride and the change the
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: direction to string it out a little bit against mobile qbs.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Good explosion in his movements, not necessarily burst, but explosion
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: from like a power perspective. When you see him get
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: into somebody, he moves them, and you would hope you
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: would get that given the fact that he's he has
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: six five two hundred and sixty pounds thirty four and
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: three eight inches arms, that's the second longest four edges
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: at the combine, got some ability kick inside on passing
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: downs and situations. He There's a lot of guys that
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be upset at if they took an edge
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: at thirty, But MIKEL Williams is the one that I
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: would really be like legitimately happy about if he somehow falls.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think he I don't think he will, just
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: given the traits and the injury and what his tape
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: looked like the year before. But he's one that if
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: he fell I would be overjoyed for.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you mentioned the you mentioned the arm length,
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: like based on the tomfoolery that was going on with
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: whoever was measuring these people's arms, Like, he probably has
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: over thirty five inch arms.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, just on the eye test. I was shocked
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: that it was just like thirty four and three.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: You know what's funny, I did the same thing, Like
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, wow, this is good, and I
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: was like, wait, really only that, Like I would have
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: thought it would have been even a little higher.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And like everybody was making so much of a
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: big deal about how he only ran a four to
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: seven seven or whatever, and then it comes out that
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: he had a one six one ten yard split, which
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: is sixty ninth percentile for all edge rushers, and he
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: did that at two hundred and sixty seven pounds. Like
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: one of the first things I wrote in my scouting
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: report was that he has tight ankles. But then it's like,
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: when it comes out he has an ankle injury, it's like, yeah,
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: that's what's gonna make sense. Yea.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: So maybe he is a little bindier than I thought
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: he was.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Especially when you watch him towards like the end of
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: the year, like by the time they played Texas in
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the SEC Championship, you start to see some more of
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: like he can put his foot in the ground and
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: explode back inside. You start to see some of that
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: kind of juice come back to him a little bit. Again,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: he's not a juice up type of player, but some
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: of that come back as the ankle started to get
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: a little healthier.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's so against the run. I mean, yeah,
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: he's awesome against the run. I ultimately think, though, this
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: is kind of a pointless conversation from the Bills perspective,
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: because I think the NFL is a lot higher on
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: Michael Michael Williams than like draft Twitter. When I was
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: at the combine, I was talking to two different like
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: outside linebackers or defensive ends coach coaches and like asking
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: them how what they thought of the edge class, And
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: it was like Abdul Carter at one and then Shamar
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: Stewart at two, and like, I'm sorry, Michael Williams at two,
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: and like they thought the the gap between Carter and
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: Williams was a lot smaller than the gap between Williams
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: and everybody else. I remember, like one guy I was
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: talking to, he was he was giving me a spiel
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: on Michael Williams, and I was like, yeah, it'll be it'll.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Be hard to like really uh separate him and Shamar Stewart.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: And he looked at me like I was crazy, Like
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: why would you even kid consider those people in the
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: same conversation.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the NFL loves Michael Williams from what
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: I've heard.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean he had like the length and size
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: and then the pedigree and the explosion like he's built like.
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: An NFL Yeah, like the snap in his hands when
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: he makes contact with someone.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, And for I'm very much a known quantity like
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: high floor type of dude when it comes to the draft,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: because even I say it all the time, like, and
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: you know this, even though as much as someone can
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: be a surefire, can't miss prospect, there is always the
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: chance that not even like a chance, there's a good
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: chance that someone's not going to hit. And I just
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: think part of the reason, you know, Mike, Michael Williams
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: is also edge two for me, and I just think
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: because he represents such a good floor, like even if
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: he doesn't progress or hit the ceiling that you would
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: want as a pass rusher, all right, he can still
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: compress the pocket. He's still going to be a really
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: good like run defending edge Like you're going to get
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of edge too quality reps from him for
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: years to come, which is again that that for me, like,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I'm very much like, what is the known quantity if
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: we don't have to play any games like and worry,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: like what does this guy hit his ceiling? How do
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: we develop? And what can he come in and do
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: now and hang his hat on for as long as
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: he can? And I just think you're going to get
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: that run defense production and some compression of the pocket,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: which is huge, especially for the Bills. I do want
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: to circle back to Shamar Stewart because I feel like
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: so many people he lit up the combine and then
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: so many people have kind of gotten off of him
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: coming from the tape. He's your edge too, Like you mentioned,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: what do you like about Shamar Stewart and why does
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: he I mean, obviously I have an inkling is towards
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: in terms of what you like, But how does he
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: end up as Edge two for you? And what are
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on him?
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Shamar Stewart is just well edge is
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: a position I think more so than anything where I
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: will really just bet on the traits. Obviously, you want
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: a guy that has production and traits, but if you
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: can't get both of those, I would I would lean
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: tors to the athleticism.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I think that his.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: His pass rushing production was limited by a few things.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: The role that he played in Texas A and M's
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: defense really decreased the number of like true pass rushing
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: opportunities that he had. You know, when people see stuff
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: like pass rush win rate and pressure rate, they think
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: that the denominator in that calculation is all of the
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: times that you had a chance to rush the quarterback,
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: But it's really the amount of times that you were
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: on the field for a passing down. And you know,
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: especially in college, guys are are in these schemes where
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: they're being asked to defend the run over anything. And
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: like when you see stuff during draft season about like
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: a guy's this is the one that always kills me.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Is a guy's.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: Slow off the ball or slow off the snap. It's like, yeah,
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: they're they're read stepping or like they're they're reading the run.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: You know, like they they're not.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: Everybody has the not everybody plays Abdul Carter's role in
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: their defense where every snap they're firing off the ball
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: and just trying to get to the quarterback.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: And so are they one gapping, are they two gaping?
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Are playing games? What's their responsibility? Yeah, it ties into
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: so much.
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: So like you could look at a game where Shamar
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: Stewart has twenty five pass rushing snaps and it might
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: be like five or six, uh true, one on one
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: reps throughout the entire game where he would actually have
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: a chance. So that's the first thing that limits him.
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: The second thing that limits him is that he's a
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: terrible pass rusher, Like his hands are so bad.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: He uh so many times he just like uses it.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I feel like he like leaves with his face or
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: his chest and then sometimes it works. So I'm like, Okay,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I guess I don't blame you, but yeah, it's so funny.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: That you see it's it's all it's so segmented and
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: like you can tell that. It's almost like before he
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: went on on the field, his his d line coach
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: was whispering in his ear and like, okay, two steps upfield,
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: chop with the hand, turn your hips, and he's like
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: it's like he's like counting it in his head, and
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: it just it never sequences together smoothly. A big thing
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: that kills him is that for as explosive and big
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: as he is, you'd think he'd be this dominant power rusher,
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: and his bull rush is actually pretty ineffective because he's
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: never pointing his hips towards his opponent when he when
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: he bull rushes, so the power just kind of dissipates.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's there's a ton of technical stuff that
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: like he's got to clean up when he rushes the passer.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: But you know, kind of similar to Michael Williams, who
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: like I have almost an identical grade on, I think
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: that what he can bring you as a run defender
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: does give you a bit of the floor. I think,
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: like really the key distinction between Michel Williams and Shamar
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: Stewart is that I think Williams is a lot more
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: under control and like technically sound as a run defender,
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: where Shamar Stewart is kind of a high effort like disruptor.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: And then I think Shamar Stewart is is a much
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: better athlete when you project towards pass rushing, like more explosive,
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: way more flexible. But mikel Williams. I think for as
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: you know, unpolished as he gets made out to be,
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: he's actually a lot more refined with his hands. So yeah,
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: it's they get kind of grouped together and like they're
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: similar in terms of broad archetypes, but a lot of
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: a lot of differences there and kind of as a tiebreaker,
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: like I'm just gonna bet on the better athlete.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fair, you know, I think the whole I
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: mean's for for years, the whole, Like I feel like
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: recently the whole trades over production type of deal, and
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: it's wild for some of Like if you're looking at
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: his chart for Shamar Stewart, his measurables, so ninety eighth
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: percentile for broad jump, ninety six percentile for vert ninetieth
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: percentile for forty yard dash, ninety first percentile for ten
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: yards split, seventy fifth percentile for arm length, ninety six
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: percentile for wingspan, sixtieth percentile for weight, eightieth percentile for height. Like,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: so I get it, Like if you want to bet
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: on the traits and the size in that package, and
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: if you believe in yourself, you know, as a team
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: to coach him up and kind of refine the technical
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: aspects for him, you know, bet on the traits, and
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I'm really interested to see where he goes and that
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: little nugget from you about you know what, like how
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: they league kind of views him. I'm very interested to see, Yeah,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: does is he does he get taken in round one?
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Does he slip into round two? How much is somebody
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: really betting on the traits versus the production versus how
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: much they think they can clean up? And then given
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: that he does have, you know, some snaps under his
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: belt in A and N is it is that someone
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: just hasn't gotten through to him? Does he not have
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: the capacity for it? I think it's a really interesting conversation,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: especially with when you get a dude who just lights
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: up the combine like that and has these traits in
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: this size, this uniqueness like all within this frame. It's
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: it's super intriguing. So I get it.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it applies. This applies to every player, but like
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: especially with Shamar Stewart, he's somebody where like how his
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: meeting an interview went would determine so much because like
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: there's there's so much technical stuff that he's got to
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: clean up. And if you meet him and he's like
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: you know, super fired up to to get working, and
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: like seems like he has a great football character. I'm
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: willing to absolutely willing to bet on that. But if
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: if it's like you know, he is just gonna kind
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: of coast on athleticism or if that's the vibe you get,
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: then I would I would probably, you know, in this class,
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: there's there's a lot of options in his range.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I would probably just go someone else.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, does he feel disengaged or does the lack enthusiasm?
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: There's so much I make I made this joke before that,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: like because obviously we you know, we get the college
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: all twenty two and we're able to watch the tape.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I wish there was like all twenty two of the
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: interviews so I could see the interviews. Dude, I want
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: to know, so, Like that's one of my favorite. Once
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: teams make their picks and we get like those post
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: draft videos from teams throughout like the beginning of May,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: and they show some of the meetings, Like, I wish
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: we had that. I know that there's no chance of it.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I wish we had that now because the meetings are
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: so important, like the character stuff everybody, everybody when you
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: get to the NFL in some semblance or fashion has
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: size and strength and speed and athleticism and all that.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: The stuff that separates, you know, the math from the
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: good and the good from the great and the great
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: from the Hall of Famers is their mentality and how
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: they see the game and understand it and their personality
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: and all of those pieces. And you can't get that
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: from just watching the tape. You might be able to
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: try and put some bread crumbs together, but it's hardy know.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Does this guy turn off here? Okay, he's got a
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: great motor all the time. Maybe that suggests this about
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: his character, but you don't know. Yeah, And I would
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: kill just to, like if there was some black market
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: camera footage for like interviews at the Combine or Senior
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Bowl or Top thirty visits like man, it would just
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: help us be able to round out our evaluations so
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: much and be able to see a guy like, oh, wow,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: this guy was really smarter. Yeah, this guy's a great attitude,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: or man, this guy's a real jerk and his tape
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: is like kind of met Now I'm not betting on
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the traits.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: I wish we had that, so bad problem is I
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: probably would have raised kyri Elim's great after Like I
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: saw that he had the notebook.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: There, dude, he's one that and everyone here and the
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: chat and I I didn't like him a ton coming out.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I didn't like his tape at Florida. I thought he
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: was just so grabby and I was worried about how
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: it would translate. But again, the traits, he's a great
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: example the traits guy, right, the length and the size
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: and the athleticisn't the frame and all that, And then yeah,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: you see that interview come out after and he's really
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: smart and his notebook and all the scouting he does,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: and then you think about, like, well, you know, the
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: family that he comes from, he knows how to be
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: a professional. And we myself and Eric, we had him
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: in the film room a couple of seasons ago and
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: we broke down tape with him and he he had
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: an interception against the Dolphins in the wild Card round
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: earlier that year and technically earlier in that year, but
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the previous season, and we're breaking down that play with
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: him and he's talking about like, okay, you know I'm
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the cloud corner. The Bills were playing cover too, and
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: he's like, Okay, you know, I'm the cloud corner to
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: that side. They run a smash concept. I'm spacing him out,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: but then then he gets into like I can tell
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: by the angle of the quarterback shoulders, he's looking to
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: hit the corner. So I just keep sinking and I
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: read this and he was doing that throughout the entirety
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: of the episode. He's one that Again I didn't like
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: him coming out. He wasn't in. I didn't have a
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: round one grade on him. I think he was in
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: my third tier of corners. But the traits made sense.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: He seemed like a smart dude. I've spoken to him
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: and he's extremely smart. I don't get like how how
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: things just didn't click, but again that that happens. That's
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: another example of why you kind of do you go
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: with higher floors or known quantities, because even when you
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: think something should click man like, sometimes it just doesn't.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: And I always that one will always perplex me, like,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: not necessarily because I thought he was gonna be good,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: but I was like, Okay, I could subscribe to this.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I'll always think of that. And I love Trent McDuffie
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: and he was my corner three in that draft, and
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I was so mad when the Chiefs straighted up ahead
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: of the Bills and got mc duffy killer he was,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: if I remember, because that was that was the Stingley
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: and Sauce draft, so it was I had Stingly one
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: sauce to McDuffie three, my corner four actually what or corner?
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: No?
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I forget who I had his corner four corner five though,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: was Roger McCreery. And I didn't care that he had
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: short arms. I was like, put him in man coverage
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: and let him play on the outside. I don't care,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: and I'm so I've been very happy to see him
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: learn slide Like he didn't play any nickel at Auburn.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: He started doing it at the Senior Bowl because he
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: had to. And then he's become a legitimate like slot
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: corner and take a man. They got some fun dudes
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: in that Tennessee secondary him and Brownlee, like I just
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I like so many things. And then Jeffrey Simmons is
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: a monster in front car and Andre Sweat. Yeah, they
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: got some fun dudes at Tennessee. Which, yeah, you obviously
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: know all about anybody else that you want to talk
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: about in terms of a round one target. Do you
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: want to move on to a round two.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, let's move on around two. Those are those are
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: kind of all the guys that I think.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Should really be in play at thirty.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, all right, cool, let's pivot to round two. And yeah,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I echo your your sentiments here, you know, not have
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: to get too far ahead of myself. For app says,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: was that Andrew both Junior? Yeah, I had booth as four.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I uh, I believe I did. I don't think he was.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't think the injuries would continue, but they just
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: and not the kind of play that card or make
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: an excuse. They derailed what I thought he could have been.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I just yeah, I his tape at Clemson. He has
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: some great tape and he was just hurt all the time.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I should have known, especially me being a high floor
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: person and the injuries. Good call, Paithon, thank you very much. Yeah,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: this round two conversation for edges. This is really where
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at edge for the bills and my dream
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: of dreams. The bills come out of round one. If
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Mikel Williams somehow fell, I would be very very very
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: cool with that. I don't think that's gonna happen. My
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: dream scenario for Round one out of Realism plus a
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Dream is Trey Amos corner from Ole Miss. I love
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Trey Amos. I know some people have come around more
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: on him. I have a round one grade on him.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Some people are getting more on that bandwagon ever since
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah put him in a mock and he had
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: him going to the packers at twenty six. Before that,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I was on an island and people were yelling at
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: me for having the Bills, you know, potentially looking at
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: him in round one. I love Trey Amos. I would
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: love for Johnny Baron to fall. He's not gonna fall.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: That's not happened. So my heart of hearts, Trey Amos
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: is the pick at thirty. I would love for the
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Bills to get an edge in round two. So I'm
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: very excited to dive into this segment of the episode, James, because,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: like you said, and like we talked about in the beginning,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: really like once you start getting into round two, it
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: starts off like two or three rounds with two, three,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: and four, where there's a lot of value with the
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: edge position and with the Bills having two picks in
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: round two, those two picks being fifty six and sixty two,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of good opportunities for them to get some
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: real value from the edge grouping in round two here.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's really deep.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: I think the first guy to kind of start off
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: this tier would be Princely Yuman Miellen for me.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Who has really fallen a lot lower than I expected.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: Like I've I've got him still forty nine, so right
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: in my top fifty, and you know, he's in like
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: the eighties to nineties on a lot of people's boards.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: I just think, like.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: The size, you know, only only two hundred and four
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: four pounds at the combine, but I think his playing
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: weight is a lot bigger than that. He was two
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: sixty five at the Senior Bowl. You've got like he's
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: just a natural speed rusher. Started to mix in kind
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: of the inside spin counter a lot this year, and
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: you know, I I guess I don't think like he's
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: a great power rusher, and I thought that like doing
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: some of the drills he didn't at the combine, he
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: didn't seem to be a very natural bender. But I
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: just think the size traits combination for me would be
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: worth taking in the second round. And then I'll just
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: kind of list off like the next few guys that
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: I have in that tier, So in order, I would
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: have Olu Oladejo out of UCLA at sixty one overall
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: edge ten. We've got David Walker out of Central Arkansas,
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: Ashton Gilotti out of Louisville, Oh So, Nick Score in
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: Texas A and M Lannon Jackson Arkansas, and Jordan Birch
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: out of Oregon.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, what what are your thoughts on JT. Tuey Molau?
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: So, I've got him a little bit lower. I've got
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: him edge eighteen, which sounds really bad, but he's yeah,
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: he's he's one thirteen on my board. I definitely like
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: him more than the.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Other Ohio State edge, I will say.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, and that was kind of where I was leading
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: it to, Like, I feel like him and Sawyer keep
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: getting lumped together a lot, and I get it, but
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Sawyer's lack of athleticism scares me, and the short arms
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: scare me even more, even though I like his motor
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: and how I all the typical demographic things to give, like,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: oh man, he seems like he has a great work
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: rate and he's a high character guy and what a motor,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: But like the short arms scare me, and the lack
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: of juice and athleticism scares me. Like I have JTT
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: significantly higher than Sawyer. But yeah, that's kind of where
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I was leading into that. So I'm glad you kind
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: of sad.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't really see Sawyer as an NFL athlete,
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: honestly it is. Yeah, I just if you're gonna have it,
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: let's his standout trait besides going up against Cameron Williams,
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: who is terrible.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: And see that's my thing, like what are I'm not
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: a person that has to be like, well, you have
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: to have you have to tick these boxes again, like
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I mentioned, like in that draft several years ago, McDuffie
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: had short arms and I love McDuffie. McCurry had even
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: shorter arms. McCurry had t Rex arms, and so I'm
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: not like I think there are certain measurables or benchmarks
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: that you ideally hit. But I believed in Tank Dell
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, like I do think outliers
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: can make it. The thing that scares me with Sawyer
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: is the short arms plus not having something else to
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: mitigate that or make up for it. Like that means,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: so if you're not a plus athlete and you have
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: short arms. That means you have to you have to
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: win with technique like all the time, and that's just
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: such a hard thing to do, Like you in the NFL,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: to win with technique that much, to have that be
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: your calling.
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: Card that almost almost never works at edge. And the
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: thing is, it's not even like Jack Sawyer is a technician.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: He's like he has like solid, you know, solid set
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: of moves and like, yeah, he's not raw or anybody's
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: clinical teach tape type of edge, right. Yeah, so he
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: you know, he's got like a really thin lower half
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: and like people talk about him like he's just this
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: shutdown run defender. But he gets put on his back
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: sometimes too. I mean he's he's like big enough that
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: he he does pretty well in college.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I I have.
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: I have Jack Sawyer at one fifty six on my
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: board fair So yeah, I I think that he if
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: I was in GM, I would just kind of expect
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: him to get taken a lot earlier than I would
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: be willing to to take him.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: And so a lot.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: But JTT has like I really like his build.
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: I love like like shorter, sturdier edge rushers with long arms.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: He's got some some really devastating power.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: He has.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: Like, I really like his pass rushing plan and an
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: overall move set. He's just not a very explosive or
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: bindi athlete, and so there's a lot of reps where
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: you know, he he might do everything right, it just
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: doesn't end up going anywhere. But I think he's a
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: really solid run defender and should be like at least
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: an early down starter.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I like his floor a lot.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I second that. There's so you mentioned a lot
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: of names that I also have in contention here in
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: in round two. I'm gonna I don't know where to start.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Let's start with you know, let's start with Olami all
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: the day. Oh, you know you mentioned him. The Bills
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: met with him recently. They like him a lot from
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: what the reports are. He's somebody who just seeing his measurables.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: He just tick and play style. He ticks so many
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: bills boxes, six foot three, two hundred and fifty nine pounds,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: thirty three and three eighths inches arms, a thirty six
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: and a half foot vert. You watch him play, its
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: length and strength, it's power and pad level. He's newer
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: to the edge position. Was playing like some off ball
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: linebacker for UCLA even as early as the first couple
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: of games this season in twenty twenty four, before he
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: fully moved on to EDGE. What I think is nice
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and what I did with his tape was I started
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: watching games earlier and then watch games later in the
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: year to kind of see, okay, is he's starting to learn,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: is he starting to change up some of his stuff,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: like what's the time on task at edge? Starting to
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: do for him mentally in terms of being a football player.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: And while I do think he still needs to improve
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: some of the basic things like block recognition, scheme recognition,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: taking on doubles, you know, some of the he's very
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: inconsistent reading the mesh on read options. Sometimes it's great,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: sometimes it's terrible. But he does show in game learning
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: and adjustment and in season learning and adjustment, which is
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: which I thought was nice. And UCLA uses him a
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: bit in that spinner role that the Rams use Michael Hoyden.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: So he's on the edge and then you know, I
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: pass him down in distances he might be lined up
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: in the A gap or the B gap. He's kind
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: of in a two point stance. You don't know where
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: he's coming from. I think he has enough athleticism to
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: drop into coverage. Not great stop startability, but enough athleticism
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: that you could use him on some sims and some creepers.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Flashes a cross chop every now and again, and then
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: just the kind of the basic technical things and time
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: on task stuff, you know, improving his Pastor's plan and
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: over his overall move set. Saying with some of his transitions,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: I'd also like to see him use more speed to power,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: because I think he's built for speed to power given
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: his size and frame. But I think he's someone he's
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: also apparently from what I hear, a very high character guy,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: and I just think he's gonna fit for a lot
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: of teams. I have more of a and so I
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: like that you mentioned him, and part of the reason
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: why I wanted to lead off with him here. I
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: know a lot of Bills fans have been clamoring with him,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: especially since the Bills met with him, and that kind
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: of popped up on the radar. I have more of
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: a like mid to late three into an early four
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: great on him, But I think because of the character
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: and the frame and the traits and the improvement you
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: saw given how raw he is, I do think it's
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: very possible that if like he creeps up into a
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: day two pick or like early round three, mid three.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: And part of my reason of talking about him now
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: is I think if the Bills want him, I don't
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: think you can wait till round four to get him.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I think you have to potentially take him at the
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: end of round two, And for some it may seem
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: like a reach. I think he's the perfect like late
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: two to mid late three kind of guy, but because
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: the Bills don't have a three, if you want him,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: you got to take him in round two.
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I have an early third on him. Yeah, you
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: pretty much hit the nail on the head with the analysis.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: I would definitely echo. Oh, Like, wanted wanted to see
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: him use speed.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: To power a lot more, going to be his go
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: to and I was so excited, and I didn't like
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: he's he flashes a spin move more than he does
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: like speed to power, and I was like, oh, like,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: I was a little disappointed.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he I mean he pretty much like as far
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: as wins, it's pretty much just he's just spamming the
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: cross shop over and over again, and like sometimes it's
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: just you know, hitting the hitting the scissors on the
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: crease of the wrapping paper, you know where it just
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: it's it's it's cooking. Every game, the Penn State game.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: All the pen the Penn State game against so I.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: I did like different clips of him from different games,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: but Penn State I did its own clip thing. I
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: had like eight or nine just some of his plays
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: against the run, some of his pass rush reps. Like
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: it was just such a great game for him. And yeah,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: that cross chop, the cross shop I think is the
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: perfect microcosm of what he is because when he hits it,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: it's gorgeous, it's clean, it's beautiful, and he's through in
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: other times like it's just it's just very varying levels
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: of effectiveness within his game, which I think speaks to
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: he goes.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: On a lot of cold streaks as a pass rusher,
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: for sure.
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I like the I like the overall build,
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: just kind of the the dense, like powerful build, and
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: like I feel like his his motor and effort and
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: like playmaking ability as a run defender, and just like
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: the way that he is so assertive into contact. I mean, yeah,
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: you mentioned the read option. I'm so sick of watching
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: these edge rushers surf technique and defend the mesh. Point
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: like how many times does do NFL teams run read options?
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: And like that is feels like eighty percent of what
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: they coach in college football, So yeah.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Because everybody in college is running the read option and
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: then unless you're yeah, unless you're playing the Ravens, it
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: doesn't really happen in the NFL.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't blake.
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying I blame the coaches for prioritizing that.
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: It's just that's kind of one of those elements of
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: the game that doesn't translate that much. But yeah, I
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: mean I don't really see like true edge one potential
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: with him, but definitely somebody that's that's kind of just
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: scratching the surface because of you know, being so new
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: to the position.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you could end up creeping up into it.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Adding like the understanding of technique and the being able
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: to physically apply it within games, Like having the knowledge
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: plus the physical application is I don't want to say
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: it's such a lofty thing, but I do think that's
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: a hard thing to kind of do and put together.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: But I do think it's a realistic expectation that Key
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: could be an edge two again, the athleticism, the size
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: you put him into a defense that can kind of
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: marry those two things, and the ability as a run
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: defender and the willingness and the physicality along with it
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: as part of what I think is so intriguing with him.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: And then another couple of names. You know, we talked
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: about him briefly. I do like JTT here again for
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: those who don't know, it's not Jonathan Taylor Thomas, depending
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: on if you were a nineties kid or not. If
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: you know who that is, it is JT. Twoey Moloau
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: from Ohio State. I do like him here at the
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: back end of round two for the Bills, just and
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: you hit on so many to pieces. It's his build.
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: I like that.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I like how he's built personally, and then I think
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: it would fit with the Bills. Want power compression, some
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: speed to power, a good to good enough get off,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: some athleticism like you talked about, not a lot of
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: dip or like body lean, but you want somebody who's
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: just kind of like a heat seeking missile coming off
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: the edge, you know, and he'll get displaced every now
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: and again from a down block standpoint. But you look
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: at the competition he played against, the defense that he
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: comes from, the understanding. I think he's somebody that operates
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: with a really high floor and I just like the
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: I like the package of physicality and athleticism and juice.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: There's some explosion, there's some actual bursts, there's some physicality,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: there's some hand usage, there's some length, and all of
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: it is in this physical compression, speed to power explosion
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: type of package, which is why JTT really intrigues me.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: And then Nick Gorton again, and all all of this
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: too for people like it. A lot of these names
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: are nobody's doing it in the chat, but just in
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: case someone's watching or listening. I hate when someone's like, oh,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: what do you think. I can't believe not talking about
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: so and so. It's like when we might think they
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: might go at a different point or later or earlier.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: They could be coming up in the next segment. Who knows.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: But Nick Gorton is one similar to kind of you know,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: the Shamar Stewart conversation. You know, you look at how
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: the guys were used at A and M and Nick
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Gorton he said it as much I was looking up
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: stuff because he played, for those who don't know, played
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: it a much lighter weight at Purdue. Had some really
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: great tape at Purdue last year. Comes to tay at
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Texas A and M. Plays a little heavier, but he
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: talked about how much more was on his plate mentally
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: at Texas A and M, and how that allowed him
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: to be more versatile, how he's being used, so on
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: and so forth. And I recognize the Purdue tape is nice,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: but I still like some of what he was showing
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: at Texas A and M. I wanted to see him
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: use more than inside spin at A and M like
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: he used to Purdue, but the ability to rush from
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: both sides, you've got some athleticism baked into it. I
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: thought he had good eyes and quickness and physicality on
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. I would like to see him
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: go with more speed to power. But you see some
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: of the technicality that he uses that he has the
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: hand usage as a rusher, some chops swipes, good hand fighting,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: a good cross chop. He got absolutely torqued by Will
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Campbell in the LSU game and then followed it up
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: a couple like reps later by spinning hitting that inside
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: spin and beating him instantly and then also decking him
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: on an inside run defense rep later. I think he
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: offers again he's another guy kind of from a play
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: style standpoint, not necessarily from a build or frame, but
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: a play style standpoint I think similar to kind of JTT,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: which is why I want to talk about him together.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Whether both guys are kind of like, give you some
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: run defense, give you some some power and some physicality,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: do some rush stuff, have some athleticism, not necessarily this
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: big frame, tradsd up type of player, but give you
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: this higher floor kind of understanding and someone that can
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: plug in and kind of be effective right away.
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I definitely I'll just say, like I hated
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: Nick Gorton's tape this year.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you watch the produce tape. Yes, but it's
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: supposed to be like it's so annoying.
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: So I did like a I didn't do a I
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: didn't really do like preseason rankings, but I did like
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: a what I would do mock draft over the summer
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: and Nick Gorton I had going with the first overall pick. Wow,
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: And then now I've got him seventy three on my board.
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: So like I've been all over the spectrum with him.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: So this is personal for you.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's such a like just smart, nuanced
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: pass rusher.
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: I just I don't think he's like a really good
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: enough athlete to be like a number one guy in
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: the NFL, you know, at his size. I think the
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: lack of a consistent bull rush was was really disappointing.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Yep, another guy would like go through people more, especially
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: considering shorter somewhat shorter arms will actually shorter arms twenty
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: nine percentile for ARMLENGK. I just expected in his overall frame,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I expected more go through people than I saw.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so, you know, the lack of bull rushes
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: is disappointing.
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: You know. You mentioned like the spin, which is obviously
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: one of his that was kind of like his signature move.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: I will say.
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: Teams kept a guard kind of like posted up in
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: the B gap last year to cut off his spin
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: move pretty consistently. There were a lot of wins, like
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: clean wins that he got with that where that got
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: kind of cut off by by getting doubled.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: But the thing with Gorton is.
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: That it's it's a huge gamble and like I still
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: think there's upside there, because there's a chance that like
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: what we saw last year was was purely just that
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: he was he was playing uh with bad weight, and
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: I think you could be kind of getting like my
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: high end comp form is Tomba Hally Oh, So like
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: I think there's I still think there's upside there.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: I just one of my biggest lessons that I learned
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: like early is.
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: Don't do the thing where like there their penultimate year
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: was better than their last year and you like say like, well,
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: I'm just gonna go off of that because it just
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: like it never ends up working out for me. Example
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: number one being Will Levis. Oh yeah, so yeah, I
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: even though I recognize that, I think there it could
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: be that it's like twenty twenty three was the real
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: Nick Gordon.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: I just I don't really like take that bet very often.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: No, that's fair and super understandable. Like I'm in somewhat
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: of a similar boat, like I I very much prefer
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: to go off of the most recent tape. What the
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Purdue tape and the Purdue in general conversation. I think
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: is so interesting for him considering like he immediately once
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: the season was done in A and M, he immediately
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: lost like twenty with that immediately, but lost twenty to
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: twenty five pounds And it wasn't like, oh so I
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: could test faster the combine like he reduced weight almost immediately,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: which made me think he was playing up to what
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: was wanted of him, not necessarily what was best for him.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: And again, but it is a gamble to a degree.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: And but I think if you get somebody again at
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: the back end of round two who has enough of
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: a high floor, is a smart enough player like I
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: would love for to get a guy back there who
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: has maybe potentially a higher ceiling. But I think there
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: is effectiveness for him built into kind of that position
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: and that type of value in terms of what he brings,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: and then if you can tap into you know, the
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three version of him was real. But to
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: your point, it is a bit of a gamble. I
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: did want to ask you about, you know, one another
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: guy you mentioned again we're gonna talk about a lot
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: of the sick around guys that we went through already
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: and that you mentioned, Ashton Jalatti out of Louisville. Do
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: you think he can truly live on the edge as
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: like an edge edge or do you think he's more
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: of like a three four defensive end. Yeah, I do.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: I mean he he really like.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Kind of short arm scary. That's kind of the reason
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: I'll say the short arm scare me a little bit.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: But he's such an ass kicker with like his speed,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: power and physicality.
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he he he backed up you know,
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: his athleticism with with a really impressive combine performance, like
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: you know, six' nine to four in the three, cone
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: how the thirty six and a half inch vertical ran
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: a force a. Five some of his his tracking data
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: from the combine was pretty impressive, Too like he had
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: the his max speed on the corner, Drill like turning
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: the corner was eighty fourth percentile over the last three,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: years max speed on the wave drill was eighty ninth. Percentile,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: LIKE i think he's a he's a good athlete to
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: to win out on the. Edge has just a really
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: like so there's there's a lot of players this. YEAR
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: i was talking about it On, twitter like it's fitting
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: that the Year Brandon grammer tires were getting like all
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: of his clones, entering uh THE, nfl because you've you've
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: kind of got like the Charmander charmelion Chars Ard, meme
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: just like with how Many like There's Elijah roberts out OF,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: Smu There's David walker out Of Central. Arkansas There's Ashton
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: galatti out Of. Louisville it's you know these like kind
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: of densely built six two two sixty five power rushers
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: that also have a cross shop have like a nice
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: pass rushing plan that they sequence together just so similar
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: in the way that they. WIN I i like How
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: Ashton jilotti is so quick to get to counters and
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: kind of like take what the tackle is giving. Him
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: so like if he's you, know going going for the
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: cross chop and the tackle really opens up his hips
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: and sells out to stop the speed, Rush he's not just.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: Gonna go with.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: That he's gonna quickly get into a hump move and
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: and you know hook under the inside, shoulder hit through
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: the b, Gap like just really instinctive in that.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Area and like his speed to power is so. Consistent the.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: People people for whatever, reason always talk about like if
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: an if an edgresser is six y to two or,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: something they list that as a. Weakness do they do
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: the same thing with offensive. Lineman i'm like why would
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: you ever want a tall person on the line of,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: scrimmage because it's like in the same scouting report you'll
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: see somebody Like Dion, walker for. Example number one one's
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: strength is gonna be you, know, massive, tall like gigantic defensive.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: Tackle number one weakness is gonna be plays with high pad. Level, yeah,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: yeah one of those are maybe. Related and like With,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: JILATI i mean you, never like never write down in
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: your notes that he's like too high in his. Bullrush
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: he's just so consistent getting under people's. Pads so, YEAH
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: i really like. THAT i don't think he has the
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: best anchor against the, run but really really heavy hands
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: to just ragged, all especially tight. Ends like if you
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: got him one on one with a tight end on
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: on the backside of inside, zone he's he's launching him into.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: Orbit so, YEAH i love just so much about his.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: GAME i think he's one of the more underrated players
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: in this class for.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Sure, yeah he's got some fun.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Tape and AGAIN i hate doing the measurement. THING i you,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: know fifth percentile for arm length for OH i didn't
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: see this first percentile for, Hands, eyze he's got very
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: tiny hands in short arms, yea and it doesn't scare
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: me off completely because, again he's got some really fun,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: tape but it made me, wonder, like, okay with how
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: he's built and how he plays in the power and,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: physicality like does more of like a three four dee
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: like suit him his poos to like a true. Edge
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: but then you see him kind of function out there
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: against good, competition like he's got some good tape against
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Like clemson And spurts And Notre. Dame and it's not
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: just like, okay he's racking up against like some weaker
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: like acc offenses Like. Virginia we did Dominate pittsburgh, though oh,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: MAN i mean one of you AND i should probably
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: suit up right now and put up like five pressures each.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: Chickets, yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: There were some embarrassingly bad just like technique on some
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: of those. Reps but, yeah, no he he he did
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: well against good.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: Competition for. Sure he had a.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: Rep i'm pretty sure he had a. Rep that is
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: what got oh, God texan's second round pick tackle For Notre,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: Dame Blake fisher like got him, benched just walked him
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 5: back into the.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: Quarterback but, yeah good.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Call i'm gonna have to go back to the twenty
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: twenty three tape and then see that THOUGH i like
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: that good call with, that let's scrabs grab another second.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Round guy you Mentioned Landon jackson From, Arkansas i'll let
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: you lead on. FIRST i again, this this is one
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: thing THAT i tend to hold true to regardless of.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Position guys that are high cut scare, me especially at
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: a position WHERE i would like Some i'm not a
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: big like you have to have bend and you have
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: to have dip and all that type of, stuff but
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: high cut guys scare. Me but the violence that he plays,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: with the power that he plays with is very intriguing
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: kind of offset some of my. Concerns BUT i kind
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: of use that as an intro to land And. Jackson
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: what do you think of the Edge?
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: MARKANSAW i was definitely underwhelmed with his. Tape you, know
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: he's kind of just a guy that cross chops every,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: play and, like.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: If if the top happens to jump set and like
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: he cleanly knocks down the outside, hand then he, can you,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: know get a get a path around the. Corner but if,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: not it's just gonna be like failed cross chop after
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: failed cross. Shop AND i didn't like he he is
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: a powerful, player BUT i didn't think he really used
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: speed to power at least as much AS i was.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: Expecting like, THAT i feel like should kind of be the,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: uh one of the primary ways that he.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Wins but especially with ye, again he's in the ninety
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: six percentile for the broad, jump in ninety seven for the,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Vertical like he's got legitimate. Explosion you can see him
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: move and, yeah it's, like, dude use your lengthen your
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: and your explosion and just go through.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: People, yeah it's it's interesting because you know he has
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: that those the jump, testing but then like the ten
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: yard split is forty six, percentile and LIKE i would
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: almost when we talk about explosiveness for edge, RUSHERS i
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: feel like there's kind of there's like explosion into contact
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: and then there's upfield. Burst LIKE i think he's explosive
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: into contact and like that really it's like more like
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: twitchy like short area.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: Explosion but then as far as just it's almost more like.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: Speed you, know upfield there are times where he actually
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: like will cleanly beat the outside, hand but just doesn't
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: have have that that closing speed to to convert the.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: Win so, YEAH i MEAN i think he's kind OF
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: i think he's got like a high floor And.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: I'M i Definitely I'm i'm lower on him than consensus for.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: SURE i have him eighty seventh and he's fiftieth on
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: the consensus. Board so, again like one of those players
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: THAT i don't necessarily. Hate it's just IF i was A,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: GM i expect that he's gonna be off the board
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: BEFORE i would really be interested in taking.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: Him so, YEAH i would probably just like go with someone.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Else high cut dudes scare me a LIKE i, Said
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: LIKE i just especially in that type of, position LIKE
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: i JUST i just prefer again then this could be
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: horrible evaluation thing for. Me but guys that are high
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: cut just scare me a little, bit which is, part you,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: know part of WHAT i was pleasantly surprised with With
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: swinson FROM. Lsu LIKE i as soon AS i flash
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: turned on the tape and saw how like he was,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: BUILT i was, like he's a little high, cut but
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: there's more. There he's not overly stiff like there is
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: some there's there's not too much rigidity to his hip
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: movements and how he moves and how he, dips and
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: he can do different. Things, Again he's not the dip,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: most the dippiest or the, bendiest but there's more. There
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: and SO i was, Like, okay so he's high, cut
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: but there's still something there to the lower. Body, yeah With,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: jackson it it does just scare me a little. Bit
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: there someone in want Who SO i don't believe this
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: is a name that you, mentioned but this is, one
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: and that he's an outlier for The. Bills he's an
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: outlier in a multitude of fashions given his size and
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: frame in some, ASPECTS i have a three on, him but, actually,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: no let me go. BACK i have a, yeah mid
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: three on. HIM i don't think he's going to be
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: there in the fourth potentially when The bills, picked so
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: if they wanted to get him would have to be
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: a round. TWO i didn't know where to include him
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: in the, discussion But i'm going to include him. Here
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts On Josiah stewart From michigan because
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: he just plays like A veloci raptor And i'm just
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: tremendously attracted to dudes who play Like velosco.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: Raptors, YEAH i love so much About Jaseias stewart's.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: Tape he's right inside my top one, hundred so he's
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: ninety eighth, overall sixteenth ranked. EDGE i come to him
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: To samson ebucom as a player that's like just a
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: much better run defender than you would expect for his,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: Size Like i'm expecting That i'm gonna be righting a
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: bunch of weaknesses, about you, know like him holding up
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: against the, run AND i, think like you have to
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 5: mention in the, size but, dude he Is he's a,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: force like setting the edge and taking on, polers.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: Well watching him take it, on like he's just, murdering
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: like pulling guards left and, right like meeting him in
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: their chest or hitting him in the, shoulder bouncing off
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: making the, tackle like to watch him play at that
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: size and see it not be this limiting piece for.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Him and for those who don't, KNOW u six to
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: one two and forty nine pounds and also fifth percentile
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: for arm, length twenty fifth percentile for hand. Size so
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: he's small in a lot of forms and. Fashions but
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: he just AND i hate to say this BECAUSE i
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: feel like it's a cop, out but he's a small
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: guy who plays big and the violence is so.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: REAL i will Like i've been kind of re re
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: like rejuvenated or revitalized to like trust my gut with
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: with smaller players that play big because Of Nolan, smith
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: LIKE i remember watching him and just being, Like, okay
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: this guy does not check any measurement, boxes but he
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: is a dude against the run and it was still
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: able to translate in THE.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: Nfl so and he was another one, too like sometimes
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: you mentioned a little bit ago With Landon. JACKSON i
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: feel Like Nolan, smith granted he had both, things BUT
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: i Think stewart has both things you. MENTIONED i think
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: He smith And stewart both have the upfield, burst but
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: then also had the explosion and power into, contact which
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: again you'd like to see from a kind of The
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: Elvis duomerville type of. Mold if you're, smaller you have that,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: leverage so then use it and make yourself a battering.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Ram and much Like Nolan. Smith, Yeah stuart And stuart
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: a couple reps where he's covering tight ends in man
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: coverage he can drop into the low hole or the
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: hook the. CURLS i don't think he's as fluid in
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: his athletic in space As, smith BUT i love that
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: idea of the comp of like's not the elite athlete
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: That smith, was which was tremendously. Elite but, yeah, like,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: man you're making me like him even.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: MORE i.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: WAS i was hoping you're going to talk me off the.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: Ledge that kind of made me feel.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: Well the thing THAT i will, say, THOUGH i do
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: have some actually, concerns like with pass, rushing because.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: You, know he's really explosive and, fast and.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: He has a.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: Devastating speed to. Power the problem is that he's somebody
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: that's gonna require a long runway to build up, Speed
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: like he can only be a wide nine where he
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: has like space to build up.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: Momentum if you.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: Get a, closter say he's like even just in a
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: five AGAINST nfl length and. Size if they just jumps
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: at them and get their hands on, them like you
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: got to hope that he can swipe right away and get.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: By if, not if they get their hands on, him
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: Problem, YEAH i mean a lot of HIS i put
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: together a speed to power real For Josiah stewart like
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: a few months ago of like all of his wins
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: from the last couple of, years and.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: It's like half of. Them WHEN i was doing the
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: little play indicator. THING i had to do it off
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: of the screen because he wasn't pre, snap he wasn't
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: even on the. Screen.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Snap you have to put the arrow like pointing off
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: screen to be like here's where he's gonna.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: Right and THEN i also thought that.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: His, uh he wasn't as effective against like better competition this.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: Year so another another example of a team like if
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: you see a if you see a dominant win against
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: USC's offensive, line take it.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: With a grain of. Salt and he an insane game AGAINST.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: Usc but then Like oregon was pretty, Quiet Ohio state
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: was relatively, Quiet, Uh texas was pretty. Quiet like those
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: were you, know like TAKE pff grades for, whatever but
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: like those were his three LOWEST pff pass rushing, games you,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: know and LIKE i felt like that, that uh lined
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: up with the. Tape so, yeah but, man he's such
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: a fun.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: Player, Yeah i'm just, dude you play like veloci. Raptors
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: just something that that it Doesn't BUT i think you're
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: you're very spot on like kind of the there is
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: and AGAIN i hate saying, this but there is something
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: to be said for like certain measurables that guys in
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: theory should tick at certain, positions and he is a
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: significant outlier in you, know for for for those counting at,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: home and in height second, percentile and weight thirteenth, percentile
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: arm length fifth, percentile hands size twenty fifth. Percentile and
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: he does have, juice he does play, violent he can
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: he actually can act as like a forced player and
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: is a spill player off the. Edge and he's got
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: such good like juice and explosion in in his lower
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: body and in his. Game but, yeah that that size
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: piece IS ah is a very very real. Aspect anybody
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: else in this second round range that we potentially didn't hit,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: ON i know you had a bunch of dudes that
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: we went through most of them, though but anybody that
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: you feel like deserves a little more attention or a shout. Here,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: actually you know potentially talk About David walker out Of Central.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: Arkands SO i know you listed, him and a couple
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: of people in the chat mentioned him as. Well what
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: are your thoughts On David walker unless there's something else
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: you want to do and THEN i can shut.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: UP i Love David, walker you, know just like playing
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: On sandbox mode based on his level of, competition but
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: he just like obliterates fcs tackles with his, bullrush can
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: bend the corner at like extremely tight angles really quick
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: moving laterally to just like on, tape he like he's
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: crossing over a gap in like a single frame of
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: the video and then like he's got pursuit speed closing burst.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 5: Again the arms are concerning, obviously but you, know just
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: under six and sixty three, pounds you, know ran a
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: four six, Nine, LIKE i think he's got a good
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 5: explosiveness and probably a little bit limited as far as
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: like shedding blocks in the run. Game uh would be
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: kind of my my biggest weakness weakness for, him BUT
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: i think he can be a productive pass rusher kind
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: of on the on The Brandon graham To Melvin ingram.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: Spectrum OH i like that.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: SPECTRUM i like that he's another dude who there's, yeah like,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: that there's some there's so many like fun flashes from.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: Him from a bill's, perspective the arm, length the arm
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: link is such a prerequisite for, them and even somebody
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: who's you, know smaller in size Like Javon solomon has
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: long arms like so that that is such a big
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: thing for them at the edge. Spot but, yeah why you,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: KNOW i know you mentioned. HIM a bunch of people
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: in the in the chat mentioned him as, Well SO
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: i want to get.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: Here, well one guy THAT I i will mention who
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: passes the arm length or checks the arm length box
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: would Be Jordan birch out Of, oregon who is one
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: of the better power rushers in this. Class, yes he
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: has has just like an imposing sized. Profile uh six
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 5: four two seventy nine thirty three and three quarters inch
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: arms ran a four six Seven. Uh he's he's like
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: what we were talking about with with not being you,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: know the most explosive, player but he has good explosion
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: into contact to create like knockback pop when when he you,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: know initiates his bull rush and then surprising bind for
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: a player of his.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: Size he was way more athletic THAN i thought he
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: was going to.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: Be, yeah he, can he can turn the. Corner he's
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: got like had a couple wins with an inside. SPIN
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 5: i think still needs to like grow his move, set
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: but a really good starting. Point he's an older, player
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: and Like i've been watching him for a few years
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: because he's kind of been on the draft radar for a.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: WHILE i just like never saw anything with him until this.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 5: YEAR i was, like, Whoa, okay this is a real,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 5: Player so you, know late breakouts can be kind of,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 5: concerning BUT i think he had a lot of promising
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: tape this.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: Year, yeah there were some fun flashes for. HIM i
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: saw him a bit today and kind of doing some
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: prep for this. EPISODE i need to finish my complete
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: evail on. Him but the thing that hit me immediately
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: WAS i just knowing the size and, frame but then
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: seeing him. PLAY i was, like, oh you like you
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: move very well for your size and how they would
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: what they would do with, him and there was some fun.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: Stuff he had some fun flashes and not Harmon jamari
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: calledwell interior defensive, lineman not an, Edge like just moved
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: way better THAN i thought for a dude who's three
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty plus, pounds like and so. LIKE i,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: Mean oregon was a good squad this year obviously with
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: the season that they, had so you, know they kind
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: of have talent in trops at different. Spots but, Yeah
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: birch is somebody who just the size profile fits in
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: terms of what the like him the, side it's not
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: just even the. Sides the size profile plus the play.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: Style i'm interested to see kind of where he goes
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: because it's it's hard to teach that level of athleticism
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: paired with that kind of. Size i'm also interested to
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: see what he plays at from a way. Perspective does
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: he play into the two? Seventies does somebody try to
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: thicken him out a little? Bit kind of what do
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: you want him? For dependent? Scheme you, know even With
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: oregon's Defense Dan lanning coming From, georgia you'd See birch
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: lined up in a four eye and a four at different.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: Times or team's gonna try and pin him in as
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: like a three to four defensive end with what he can,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: do OR i don't, know you get a creative team
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: that wants to drop me to coverage and do some
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: different things because he has some, athleticism you kind of
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: do some different. Stuff good call With birch anybody else
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: in this type of tear or, conversation.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 5: You, KNOW i think THAT'S i would, say everybody else
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: we can probably save for like day. Three there's some
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: guys that might be on the, border BUT i think
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: that kind of rounds out WHAT i would say for day.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: TWO i, agree, well, said all, right let's move on
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: to day, three where The bills have seven of their
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: ten draft, picks uh for those who are, unaware two
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: round four picks one oh nine and one thirty, two
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: three picks in round five one sixty, nine one seventy,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: one seventy, three and then two picks in round, six
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: one seventy seven and two oh. Six but from an edge,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: perspective there is still an opportunity for someone to potentially
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: fall and be of value to The bills in round
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: four or you never, know later In day. Three So, james,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: uh take it away with who you got in terms
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: of The day three draft edges or draft targets at.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: Edge SO i think probably the first GUY i would
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: mention would Be Saveon jones out OF. Lsus you, know
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: really like high motor, player great size at two hundred
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: and eighty, pounds six foot five thirty four inch.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: Arms.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: Uh not kind of like a clunky, ATHLETE i, think
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: but he did have an eighty second percentile ten yard
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: split and he has like rare BEND i think for his,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: size some insane reps.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: Of him him turning the.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: Corner you, KNOW i wanted him at his size to
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: be a more effective power, Rusher.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: So you know that was kind of my one.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: Biggest issue with him as a pass, rusher and THEN i,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: mean like we were talking about he is he's too
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: stiff changing directions to like defend the mesh point a
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 5: lot of mistackles because he just like couldn't close space quickly.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: Enough BUT i think he could be just kind of
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: like a a really solid rotational piece with a good,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: motor you, know good athlete and like can kind of
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: just kind of just be disruptive in a rotational.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: Role that's very, fair AND i think it's a good
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: way to kind of lead off this this conversation part of.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: It and when you're getting into day, three even if
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: it's round, four like you you're hoping for someone if
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: they could be a rotational, guy or you, know you
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: might hit the day three hits and guys who can
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: develop into more and become plus starters or regular. Starters
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: but if you hit someone on day three that is
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: a rotational guy for, you and like that fits into
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: that mold for, you that is most definitely a, win
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: especially in something as, unsure uh as the. DRAFT i Like,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: swinston that's er Not. SWINSON i confuse him And jones
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: all the, time AND i don't know why because their
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: names are two completely different. Things BUT i DON'T I
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: i confuse their numbers all the time. Too that's neither
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: here nor. There MY d three guy THAT i really.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: Like part of it is because in the, nickname but
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: these are some really good tape. TOO i Like Kyman
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: rutger From North carolina whose nickname is The butcher just
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: thinks so, badass but some of his tape and just
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: WHY i also think AND i are not. THINKING i
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: wonder where he would be in the draft cycle right
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: now if he didn't have that season ending injury this past.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Year but he's another, dude different kind of play style
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: Than Josiah, stewart but smaller on the smaller side of.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: Things but another guy for me who just plays like
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: a veloss of, raptor you, know against the. Run how
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: he plays the run with. TENACITY i do think he
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: needs better eye. Discipline he can get caught kind of
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: locking in a bit too, much you. KNOW i one
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: of the GAMES i watched was Against georgia tack because
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: they just put so many defensive fronts in a blender
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: when it comes to the run, game but also how
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: physical they are up, front AND i wanted to see
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: how a dude In rutger that's six' one two fifty
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: four with thirty two and a half, in charms how
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: he would Do against georgia tack and he got hit
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: more with the misdirection and being misladding getting caught with
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: bad eyes more so than he did like being, physically
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: dominated which it's, not GREAT but i saw that as
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: a PLUS because i, Was, like okay that gives me
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: a little hope for, you know what he can DO
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: against nfl size, and STRENGTH although i do think that
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: is going to be, you know shoe how HE handles
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: nfl size. And strength but someone who just plays with
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: violence and juice hand usage as, a rusher a variety,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: of moves, a swipe dip, and rip. A ghost he
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: can go speed. To power he can go with a
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: club or. A hump he's got a good. CROSS chop
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: i think he needs more of an inside, move PRESENCE
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: but i think he pairs, you know his arsenal with
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: good rush angles to, the quarterback a good enough, get
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: off and some snap anticipation. As well he's also got
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: some athleticism. To HIM but i describe him as one
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: of one of My Buddies, russell brown who does draft
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: Stuff For, fantasy pros described him as bulky. IN space
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: i describe him as like he's almost like he's moving
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: in quicksand at times in space like, he's athletic but
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: it's not like he's fleet, of foot and so it
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: maybe he feels like he's. Moving, quicksands yeah that's a
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: good way to, put it which is weird because like
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: you you'll see him on the line and there's like
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: there's not a ton of not a ton of. Upfield
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: burst but it's not a. Negative there he's got some,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: upfield juice but he's more of just like a power
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: and explosion kind. Of guy but you'll see it on
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: the snap with how he can just go through somebody
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: and then, In, space yeah it's. More there he lacks
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: that nimbleness to his to, his FEET but i like
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: some of the core strength. He has he's somebody that
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: if he's there in, ROUND four i know he's a,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: size outlier especially For, the bills but he's somebody who
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: just with his production and what he was, on tape
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: even going back to the twenty twenty three tape before he,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: CHANGED numbers i, just thought, YOU know i really like,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: the tape and he's somebody who is the into this
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: is what we talked. About earlier he got hurt and
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: was called working with his way back. From injury So
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: against pitt, this year acc he only had, nine snaps
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: so a ton of his snats aren't inflated By.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: Playing, pitt, Yeah yeah, i'm like it's always funny how
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: this ends UP because i obviously never try to make.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: It Happen but i'm right on consensus with Cam. On
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 5: rucker i've got him one. Eighty four he's won eighty
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 5: four on the. Consensus board, YOU know i like the
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: blend of being in to win with speed, and power
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: but kind of like, YOU mentioned I just i, worry about,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 5: you know holding up in the run game IN.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: The nfl and like.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: He's he's a, solid athlete but for, his size he's
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: probably an average to above. Average ATHLETE so, i think
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: like Firmly a day. Three guy but it wouldn't shock
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: me if he ends up being kind of, a nice
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: a nice change up.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: Edge, Defender yeah he's he's, someone THAT.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: Like, i think in an ideal world to, your point
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: like you're getting him at the end or an actually
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: say and like More middle day three type. Of GUY
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: but i think with the production and some of the
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: pieces that, he HAS like i could see him, being,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: like okay like get him in, round FOUR but i
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: think ideally in a sweet soot is more like end of,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: round four like into. Round five just, because again as
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: as MUCH as i can hate saying this and continue to,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: SAY that i hate, SAYING this i just WONDER against
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: nfl size, and length he's another, guy again if you
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: are he's got a really. Good plan this is different
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: Than The jack, sawyer conversation but like he does have
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: good technique and plan and moves and, an arsenal but
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: it's just so hard. To win and he's got much
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: more violence and juice to his Game. Than sawyer so
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: that's what makes me feel a little. Bit better but it, is,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: just yeah at, some point like it's going to be
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: hard to kind of just it's just such a different
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: level of competition IN the nfl every week and it's
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: supposed to. A tackle they're, all big they're, all long they're.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: ALL strong, i mean maybe they're all not, so long
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: depending On If will campbell plays tackle. Or not because
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: everybody wants to make a big deal about. That conversation
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: where are you on. That conversation do You Think will
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: campbell needs to be a guard or do you think
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: he can?
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 5: Play tackle, OH yeah i think firmly, a guard but
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 5: based on, his tape not REALLY like i mean, the
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: length there's, you know there's there's plenty of good tackles
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 5: with with in that like thirty two to thirty three.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: Inch range like, you Know.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 5: The Colts the colts love For his. Ris Folks As chris,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 5: ballard is he does not give a shit about. Arm
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: length so, you know they they've got some GUYS like,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: I remember I'm a, Titans Fan, michael russ probably the,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: best tackle one of the best tackles in, franchise history
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: HAD like i think right under thirty three.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: In charms, SO yeah, I.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: Mean i'm i'm willing to make, those exceptions, but like
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: you have to have good foot speed, and FLUIDITY and
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: i felt like that got exposed against like pretty much
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: everybody that he faced this year that's gonna be drafted
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: either this draft or the, next draft Like Our mason
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: Thomas for oklahoma gave, Him Issues dallas turner gave.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: Him issues. Last Year quay robinson gave.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 5: Him Issues for alabama, this year had some losses Against
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 5: THE texas a and M Guys kyle kinnard gave him
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 5: fits like HE something i always see as people would,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: be like, you know until he proves on tape that
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: he can't be, a tackle like he's. A tackle, IT'S
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 5: like i feel like he kind of proves that.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: On tape but that's. MY opinion i.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: Like, THAT well i kind of think you, PROVED it,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: I dave i. LOOKED up i always just love looking
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: up like older like dudes from, the league AND so
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: i went and Looked Up michael roos's STUFF because i
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: immediately assume as soon as you, MENTIONED him i, remembered
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: HIM and i always thought he's LIKE just i remember
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: the spelling of, his NAME the r and THE double
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: o and. THE as i forgot just how big he
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: was six, foot seven three hundred and, twenty pounds but
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: it's six, foot seven three hundred and. Twenty pounds he
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: ran a four five.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: Two forty, no wait that's NOT that i think that
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: has to be LIKE.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: A typeo that's what he's listened at un mock draftable
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: offensive Tackle Yeap michael roose he ran off now he
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: ran five. Twenty twenty sorry four five Two twenty, my fault,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: my fault my fault five, three, yeah yeah. YEAH yeah i, was, like,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: what yeah that's. MY fault i read it wrong on.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: Mock draft well that's, on me that's. On me THAT'S
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: what i was, REALLY like i got to call this
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: out the Time That.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: Malachi starks what do you Think?
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: On maleck what do you Think About? Malachi starks does
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: he have a first round grade?
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: For you.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: Let me see he's uh he, to me he's pretty
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 5: comfortably safety two in?
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: This class who's safety won and worry?
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: For, you YEAH but i had that take, pre combine
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 5: So like i'm allowed to, say it. YOU'RE not i
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 5: straight UP just i thought, even worry LIKE AND i
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: i was like paying attention to even worry from week
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 5: ONE because i JUST Like i sawlways Was in Feldon's.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: Freak liist he was at the top of my list
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 5: to watch, every WEEK and i thought he had better
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 5: Tape than starks. This year, To, me STARKS so i
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: have an early Second. On starks he is twenty first on.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 5: MY board I think starks is a really good and,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 5: versatile PLAYER but i feel like he's kind of coasting
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: off of some name recognition and the fact that he's
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: been a like he's been on the on the radar
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: as like a blue chip draft prospect since his first
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 5: start when he made that Interception against oregon and Like
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 5: the Chick fil a kickoff ball, or WHATEVER and i
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: mean he was he was a really good player for
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: like the first one point five years of his three.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 5: YEAR career i think he was like a top ten.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: Caliber prospect he had a really rough into the season,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 5: last year and then this year they were playing him out,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: of position playing him basically as as. A nickel like
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 5: he had more man coverage snaps from the slot than
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: anyone in college football that's listed as, a safety and
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: so that caused him to get beat a, lot more
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: and it it limited his opportunities to like make plays on.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 5: The BALL but i thought when he was at, deep
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: safety just like his his play recognition and HIS eyes
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 5: i think are, really inconsistent and like the coverage bus
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: and the some of the some of the tightness changing
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 5: directions and just like the overall career trajectory is kind
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: of troubling to Me.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: With starks, SO yeah i prefer emon worry.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: FOR sure i really Really. Like starks but there's something
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: and a lot of it is some of the stuff.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: You mentioned there's something well and IT is i hate,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: saying this but like there's LIKE something i just can't
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: shake ABOUT what i don't like, About him like there's
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: just something that's missing, For ME like i feel incomplete
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: or like empty to, A degree LIKE when i watch
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: him and there's a lot of. Great flashes, you know
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: you mentioned the out of. POSITION stuff i, thought that,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: you know did it did a disservice to him having
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: to play That star apex role in. That defense, but
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: yeah there's just the angles to the ball and his
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: eyes are a big one. For me there's A play
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: i think the ball Goes To. MATTHEW golden i think
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: it's in THE S. Sec championship it's cover.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: Two exactly what he's, talking about ye towards the.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: Top of, the screen and he makes a break on
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: the ball and you can see The whole georgia sideline
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: get up because they think he's gonna pick it and he,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: should have like he just took such a bad angle
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: to the ball and it gets. Over him golden. Catches
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: it he Runs down golden and makes. The tackle but
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: everybody's like, jumping Up even kirby smart because they're and
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: you can watch, them, go oh like? What happened like
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: it just some of his angles to the ball in,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: the air and even someone like coming up as a
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: run defender at times when that's even more worrisome as
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: a run defender if you don't have the athleticism or
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: the speed to kind of make up, for it which
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: he's not a, bad athlete but he's not a. Plus,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: Athlete yeah i'll.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 5: Give him i'll give him a, pass though because like
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 5: a couple of those Were Against, jalen milroe who's an.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: Absolute alien he's.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: So nuts, the vision, the speed the foot speed. LIKE
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: eight I Picked south carolina FOR my ncaa twenty, five
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: dynasty which is part OF why i like Em. And
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: WARRIOR but i WANTED to I thought bama was gonna be.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: TOO overpowered i wanted to Play A jayln milroll so
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: bad because he's like a he's like a real life video,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: Game character like he's just so vers that he's never
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: met a corner that he couldn't turn or a gap
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: that he couldn't just Sonic the. Hedgehog through like the
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: speed is. Absolutely unreal the safety is interesting, For me
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: I'm a i'm a bit down on em AND worry
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: i REALLY like i Really Like. XAVIER watts i like
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: some Stuff that. Macouba does the SAFETY class i think
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: is really. LIKE interesting i also feel like every year
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: it just feels like whoever the preseason safety one is
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't end up. Testing well it has a bit of a,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: Down year like a couple of seasons ago It Was
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: cam kitchens and then you just didn't see you saw
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: poor testing and some questions. On tape he was another
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: guy with angles and kind of riskiness in terms of
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: kind of going rogue at times. And coverage you had
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: a good rookie year For the, rams actually And then starks,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: was like what a top five or even a top
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: ten dude coming into this seat and then there's some
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: questions On TAPE and i always wonder like the prospect
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: fatigue versus testing and how and it feels like a
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: year after year it continues to hit the, safety grouping
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: which is also kind of like a, devalued POSITION like i,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: DON'T know i.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: Don't, KNOW yeah i KIND of i sort of think
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 5: prospect fatigue is a bunch of like bs just Happened With.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: Will anderson that's why a bunch of people Were putting
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: tyree whatever ahead. Of HIM tyree i can't even remember
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: now because he went To the raiders and. Done anything
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: like did People Have.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: Tyree Wilson Over? Will, anderson yeah you don't.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: Remember that that was like. A legit like the more
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: we got Closer, to april it, was, like well, You,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: know okay the floor can be all Right For, will
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: anderson but he's really just a run defender and a
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: speed to. Power Guy tyree wilson can be the complete
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: package coming Out Of. Texas tech and then people started to,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: put him like a significant amount of voices Started having
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: Wilson over anderson or thought he was like the, higher ceiling,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: better prospect. Better player that's the biggest example of prospect fatigue,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: for ME because i remember going into are you a?
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: Good?
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: EXAMPLE yeah i was like what?
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: ARE we i, remember YEAH because I was i was
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: At The, senior bowl and granted not necessarily everybody at,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: that time, even there there were people that we were having.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: Conversations with where, was, like, Yeah Man. TYRIE wilson i
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: remember just getting back like at the at the end of,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: the day every day and talking to my closer people
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: and just, being like what is? Happening here like why
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: are people, acting, Like well anderson is not good at
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: Football And tyery wilson. Is everything and granted part, OF
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: it i didn't see all the Pluses, with wilson, BUT
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: yeah I think i think prospect fatigue can be. Real
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: thing ALTHOUGH it's i think it's a different kind of example,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: for starts, but yeah it feels LIKE confu i think.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 5: It's just it's like a lot of times people it's
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 5: like there's a guy that's ranked highly ON the Pff
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 5: mock draft simulator and like a no Shot. At trevor
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 5: but that's usually the first way that people are introduced
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: to prospects is because it's like one of the first
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 5: boards that, comes out and so like they're they're ranked
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 5: high early in, the year people just kind, Of, assume
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: okay these are like the top, ten guys and then
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 5: if it turns out that they don't have a great
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: season or maybe, you Know maybe trevor was actually like
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 5: kind off of consensus, on that and like then different
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 5: opinions start to.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: Come in then people call it.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 5: Prospect fatigue it's like just because it's like your initial thought,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: like yes it might have. Being wrong it's like, you
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: know and my, other one other one that kills me
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 5: is people are overthinking, Like prospects like sometimes that. Does
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: happen BUT if, i overthink you mean watching their most
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: recent tape and like, evaluating it it's like that's that's
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 5: properly thinking. A, player yeah.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: That's dude's dot in the eyes across and The t's
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: the mock, DRAFT simulators i think are a big one
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: FOR like i can't tell you, how MANY and i.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: UNDERSTAND it i don't necessarily think it's like a because everybody,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: operates differently especially you're, just like, you know more of a.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: Casual fan but the amount of LIKE comments i get, for,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: like MAN like i really like, this player like, would love,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: you know would target him in, Round two and then
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: the amount Of like i'll, get, like, oh WELL like
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: i got him in MY pff moc in, round five
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: so like what are you saying he's in? Round Two and, i'm, like,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: god damn like it just.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 5: Like yeah it's like that's that's just that just means
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: he's like on, one board like at, the point that's,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: one thing like even just from the side of like everybody,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 5: evaluates differently, BUT yeah i, get that like or even
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 5: just like the opposite.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: YOU'LL do i do those pff mocks all, the time
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: Like if i'm waiting in line at like the, car
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: Washer like i'm in like the waiting room at. The
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: Doctor so, I'm like i'm gonna do like a mock
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: for fun. Real quick, and Yeah like i'll get like they'll, be,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: like OH like i can't believe he took so and
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: so in the, Third round like that's why they gave
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: YOU a d because he should be taken in. The sixth,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: i'm like that's just because that's what their ranking. System
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: has That doesn't that's just, One place it's just. One
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: thing Any other day three edges that you want to
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: talk about or?
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Hit On.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: UH so i kind Of Mentioned.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 5: QUAY robinson i think he's a Really interesting day, three
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 5: edge sort Of Like Alabama's jalen walker as a guy
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 5: that played, Off LINEBACKER like i would say it felt
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 5: like a majority or at least like half of, his
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: snaps but like his best tape is rushing. THE passer
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: i Actually Thought quay robinson's linebacker tape was Better Than,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 5: jalen walkers which like didn't really move me. At all,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: But Yeah quay robinson has he holds like arguably the
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: most dominant long arm rep in this, entire class where
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 5: he like if you pause it at a, certain Point
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 5: The south carolina right tackle is like two feet off of.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: THE ground i was, to say it's it's, the repler
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: like he's coming from, you know the camera Angles behind
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: bama's defense and he's coming from the left side against
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: the right tackle and he gets him on the inside
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: shoulder and just jacks him.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: Up, Completely yep and like, you know he's he's fast.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 5: And EXPLOSIVE but i think, my my my issue with
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: him is And like i've got him one nineteen on,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 5: MY boy i think he's he's a sleeper, for sure
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 5: but his bend isn't great based on like his the,
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 5: you know you normally expect kind of the speed rusher
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 5: types to have a, better bend and he's not Like
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 5: a he isn't a consistently effective. Power rusher he has
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 5: some flashes, of dominance but he's not like gonna push,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 5: the pocket, you know snap. After snap, but yeah an interesting.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 5: Developmental guy and, YOU know I never i never really
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 5: have Too many day three edge Rushers that i'm like
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 5: a huge proponent of because it's either like this guy
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 5: has an incredibly low ceiling and he's gonna be like your,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 5: edge five, or, like uh he's just such a such a,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 5: project gamble.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: You.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: Know uh.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: That's there's just not a lot of guys that really,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 5: excited me like super late in, the draft because if
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 5: there's someone that, excited me, EXCITES me i give them an.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: Early draft, say no that's.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: Super fair, but again that's part of the, reason why Like,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: LIKE rucker i, feel like is the is my perfect
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: Kind of day Three where, i'm, like oh he does
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of really, good things but then.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: Is just kind of similar.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: To THAT for i was going to ask you about
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: that because somebody and The chat, ron said what do
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: you guys Think About? Powell ryley he seems a bit tight.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: BUT powerful i thought this was a great way to
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: phrase It from ron and the chat because the there
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: is the power you see the explosion, through contact, the
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: tightness the tightness in his. OVERALL build i feel like
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: he's top heavy and the tightness. Bothers me but what are? Your, thoughts.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: YEAH SO i i just briefly mentioned HIM because i
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: watched like the first five games of, his SEASON but
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 5: i watched them like in, real TIME so i watched
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 5: them so long AGO that i barely remember that much about.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 5: His TAPE but i did give him a mid fifth
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 5: round grade based off, of THAT and i, need, To
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 5: like i'm working on an edge, drinkings video so he's
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 5: he's one of the GUYS that i need to like catch.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 5: Up ON BUT i i do remember liking some of
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 5: his tape and like he tested. Really WELL and i
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 5: would Also Say colin Oliver For oklahoma state who, got
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 5: injured but he's like a linebacker to edge convert and
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: apparently Had like i've seen some, people say like his
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty three tape was a. LOT better i watched
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 5: a few games of twenty, Twenty, three, LIKE yeah, I
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 5: thought i think he can be like a decent speed
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 5: to power like powerful speed rusher type of archetype.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: Of, player oh, very fair.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: Very, fair yeah there's a LOT of i have to
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: because his edge class is. SO deep i really do
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: feel like THERE'S like i have to get through like
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: thirty edges to be able because. THEY'RE man i feel
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: like there's so many dart throw guys on. Day three
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: but it's, really fun really fun grouping and a lot.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: Of value like we talked about FOR this, I mean
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: i think even, just reflected Like when i'm putting the
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: time stamps together for. This episode the second segment where
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: we talked about the round two guys is so much
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: longer compared to everything else because there's so, much value
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: especially in, round two but the, Round two round three
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: guys at edge it even maybe into early four depending
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: on who falls where we see. Some runs i'm really
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: interested to kind of see how this grouping as a
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: whole like falls out and. Plays, through james anything on
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: your MIND before i let you go for the rest of. The, night.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah have you?
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 5: Heard that have you Heard that Drake song mothballs where
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 5: HE'S like i was stressing over bills Like a.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: Buffalo, FAN no i, have no.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: THAT'S wild i didn't. Know, That yeah i've.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: Been that that song has been stuck in my head.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 5: All day, He's like i'm not gonna, sing it, BUT
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 5: yeah i, ALWAYS uh i always think of y'all Hear
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 5: at cover ONE when i, hear That and, i'm, like
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 5: man these these last, few years it must have, been stressful,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 5: like fun, but UH because i envy As a titans
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 5: fan being in the.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: Key moments, But yeah i'm rooting for y'all to get
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: over the hump. FOR sure i.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: Appreciate, that yeah It's been i've always said it like like,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: growing up all the adults in, my family like men,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: and women would all talk about like The nineties bills
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: and as if it was like some would talk about
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: is like how revered they were and how great, they
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: were but a lot of like family and friends and
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: just adults talked about it like it was like, war
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: stories like all people's grandparents talk About like vietnam. Or
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: WHATEVER AND i i have, always, SAID like i don't
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: THINK if i was in my consciousness now, LIKE then
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: I think i would have mentally broke with Four Straight
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: super bowls and four, straight losses, BECAUSE like i. Just
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: can't i'm very grateful That the bills are like successful
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: now And a final four team every YEAR And afc
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: championship appearances and winning. The division, but man it's like
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: it's just so tough to get, like close and then
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: you feel like you're getting there and then. You're not
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: And these bills teams don't have anything compared to going
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: to four straight and then losing. All four it's, just,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: yeah man it's it's it beats the drought and it
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: it's beats being a laughing stock for forever ever since,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: uh god That Stupid music. City, miracle man, that's stupid.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: Stupid game, Oh man AND then i rooted.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: It In the Titans Aren't the titans aren't even, a laughing.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: Laughing stock they're, just irrelevant like, no one. No one
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: it's like the the MEME like i don't think about you.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: At all that's exactly what.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: It, Is YEAH but i mean they have some stuff
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: to hang their. Head on, who knows maybe they'll turn.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: The tide any anything you got, coming out anything you
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: have put, out recently or anything you got coming out
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: that you want to plug before you.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 5: Say, goodbye yeah check out my YouTube channel doing positional
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 5: rankings there and just posted receiver rankings going went through
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: like forty.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: Two players so.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 5: A lot of good information there and you can find
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 5: my YouTube channel just if You Search. James foster it
• 1:45:14
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• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: you who, don't KNOW but i should hope you know. By,
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  Speaker 1: NOW yeah I think i first head. YOU on I
• 1:45:26
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• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: DRAFT season i think maybe like two or three, seasons
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: ago and then We Did Bill's Tight bill's. Titans episode
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: we've done multiple. Draft episodes, and yeah for those who,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: Don't know james does between tape and analytics and knowing what's,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: up like does a sincerely good job in terms of,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: player evaluation, prospect rankings, big board his individual. Player boards
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: and it's not as we talked about and alluded, to
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: earlier it's not reflective of other. People's boards, you know
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: it is truly what he thinks and it's based on
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of, tape study a lot, of time and
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: a lot. Of effort it is well worth. Your time
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: so if you haven't checked, his workout go give it.
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