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Missing or dead scientists - part 2 of 2 · Journey to the Fringe

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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join
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us on a Journey to the Fringe. where we are following
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up as part two of the Missing Our Dead Scientists.
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And boy, I hope they're more exciting than the
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last ones, because that left a lot to be desired.
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I'm really excited for this one. I'm really looking
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forward to it. From what I'm promised is going
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to be the list, what we should be looking at
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as the list. I think that's a reasonable way
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to put it, actually. For somebody who hasn't
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seen this part of the list, that's a great way
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to put it, Chelsea. Thank you. Kate, tell us
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about it. We are your podcast host, Taylor and
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Chelsea. And what we're going to be doing is
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going through the more meaty part of the missing
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and dead scientists. I'm too excited. So Chelsea,
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we're going to start off with first person on
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the more substantive part of the list, Monica
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Jacinta Reza. She worked at NASA's Jet Propulsion
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Labs and she's been missing since June 22nd of
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2025. What's her title? She was an aerospace
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engineer and materials processor. who worked
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for both NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in
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Pasadena and Aerojet Rocketdyne. She was known
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for developing and patenting a specialized type
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of metal used in rocket manufacturing. Okay,
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that seems like a scientist. She went missing
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while hiking with a friend near Mount Waterman
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in the Angeles National Forest. Is this it? And
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according to her companion, yes, it very well
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could be a missing 411. I would not be surprised
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to say yes, because I fully said this should
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be on the missing 411 list, not. Is this a crossover
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episode? Maybe. According to her companion, they
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were roughly 30 feet apart when they made eye
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contact. She smiled and waved to indicate she
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was fine and moments later, the friend turned
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around and she had vanished. Despite extensive
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search and rescue efforts, her body has never
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been found. Investigators have noted that her
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professional past overlapped with other missing
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figures in the field, including former colleague,
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retired Air Force Major General William McCaslin
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who oversaw projects involving her research.
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I've never found any That's actually as much
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as I have on her. I've tried looking up. There's
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not more info, but I did learn about something
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called Alpine Divorce. Have you ever heard this
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term, Chelsea? No. It's where men go hiking with
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women. Some of them are they intentionally leave
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them in the forest and hope that they never make
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it back. But other ones are just men are too
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kind of stubborn and go forward that they accidentally
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leave someone behind by going too fast for them
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to keep up and the person isn't missing. It's
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literally there's a term called Alpine divorce
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because it happens so often. That's crazy. So
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yeah, it seems mysterious. It could literally
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just be the guy that she was hiking with left
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her behind because he sped up and she couldn't
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keep up. Yeah. And he was like, Oh, I just thought
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she was fine. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody actually just
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was standing trial for a murder for leaving somebody
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behind in a mountain. And it turned out it was
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his second partner that he'd done that to, but
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the other one survived. Oh my God. It was super
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weird. Yeah. that uh crazy that and that's all
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we know about her hey not anything that's all
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we know okay like she legitimately is a scientist
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gone under weird circumstances like yeah makes
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the list okay i can see why that's on there I
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can see why that's there. Definitely. OK, I'm
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ready for it. Next up on our list is Carl Grillmare.
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Grillmare was a 67 year old astrophysicist at
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Caltech's Infrared Processing and Analysis Center,
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which partners with NASA. He was famous for discovering
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water on a distant exoplanet and for his work
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on dark matter and galactic structures using
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the Spitzer Space Telescope. He died on February
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16th, 2026. He was fatally shot on his front
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porch in Lano, an unincorporated community in
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Antelope. Valley, California. The shooting was
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reported at 6 10 a .m. at the 3700 block of 165th
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Street East. Paramedics pronounced him dead at
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the scene and he was identified two days later
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by the Los Angeles County Medical Examiner. The
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examiner's office reported that he died from
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a single bullet wound to the torso. Officers
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from LA County Sheriff's Department, who we actually
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did a whole episode on before for they're highly
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corrupt and full of gangs. They're gangs. They
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responded to a call about a carjacking in the
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area and arrested a suspect and the man was named
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a 29 year old Freddy Snyder who on February 18th,
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2026 was charged with the murder and separately
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for carjacking and burglary. Snyder lived two
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miles from Grillmare's residence and was reported
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as having a history of trespassing on Grillmare's
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property. He had reported him to the police on
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December 20th, 2025. Snyder was arrested on a
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weapons charge in that case and released three
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days later. that was weird yeah weird but he
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did know the guy at least or he had been on the
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property several times before and there was no
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concern big enough from the cops for them to
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keep him longer than a day or two do we have
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any other information Or is that it? I thought
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that was enough. He was killed. The guy he was
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killed by was a carjacker and had run -ins with
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him in the past on trespassing. Sorry, what I
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mean by that's it. I just feel like there was
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so much more with the other ones with people
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speculating like, oh, they weren't suicidal.
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Oh, they weren't this or that. Yeah, I mean,
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I wish I could give you more, but that's what
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I got on this guy. And like he was shot by a
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criminal. So you're not going to get he was not
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suicidal from family. Yeah, so why is he on this
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list? Like is it he they think he was because
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he is a scientist He had NASA connections and
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he had fairly significant research past and discoveries
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Okay, so okay. Okay, that's how he makes that
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list Next up is Michael David Hicks from NASA's
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jet propulsion land. He was a resident of Sunland
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Hicks was a veteran research scientist at JPL
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for 24 years. 1998 to 2022, he was a highly respected
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physicist, specializing in physical properties
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of comets and asteroids. He served on high -profile
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science teams for the DART project, the mission
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that successfully redirected an asteroid, the
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Near -Earth Asteroid Tracking, NEAT project,
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and the Dawn mission. Hicks passed away on July
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30th, 2023, at the age of 59. His cause of death
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was never made public. which is why he gets added
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to this list. The daughter of Michael David Hicks
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though explains that Hicks suffered from known
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medical issues at the time of his death and that
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there was quote no train of logic to follow to
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implicate him in the conspiracy theory end quote
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going on to say she could not quote help but
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laugh about it. I'm fairly certain it was a heart
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attack, but it's something that the family knew
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about. And the last person Chelsea on our list
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goes by the name Frank Maywild. He again worked
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at NASA Jet Propulsion Lab. Maywild was a 61
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year old principal researcher at Jet Propulsion
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Labs. He was a highly specialized engineer who
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designed critical instruments for space missions.
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At the time of his death, He was working on the
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surface biology and geology mission, designing
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a visible -to -shortwave infrared instrument
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to map Earth's living color. He had also worked
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on programs to help astronauts identify signs
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of life on icy moons like Europa and Enceladus.
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Maywald died in LA on July 4, 2024. His cause
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of death was never made public, but the family
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published an obituary, so they clearly did not
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suspect foul play. They stated Frank's life was
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a testament to the power of dedication, love,
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and kindness. His legacy will continue to inspire
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those who knew him and benefited from his work
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in warp." End quote. End of the list. Huh. Well,
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I hate it. I again think his was natural causes
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because I feel like a family might mention something
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if it was not natural causes. Cool, cool. Hate
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all of that. That, that... I'm sorry, that's
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the list? Yeah, two that are weird. The woman
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going hiking, which I think can be explained,
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and maybe the guy who got shot by the car thief.
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I think they're weird. Yeah, I think they're
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tragic. I would listen to like a podcast about
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that. Yeah, like you're doing right now, listening
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to it. Are they connected? Most definitely not.
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I don't think. Some of them worked at the same
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place. Some of them had the title scientist and
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I've seen people try to expand the list and I'm
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just like... No, we don't need more on this list.
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Okay, I'm about to make the list better than
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any of this bullshit. Do you remember, it came
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up in an episode before, was it Boeing? Where
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the guy was found - Oh, who kept murdering the
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people who are whistleblowing? Yeah, was one
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of the guys, he was found in a Tesla. Was that
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not, you could probably say it's a scientist.
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Yeah, but - And then we could blame it on Boeing,
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and then mystery solved. Like, why isn't this
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guy on the list? I don't know. Somebody had some
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form of motive. It almost seemed like they wanted
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to go with alien -related, but it's not all in
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any way alien -related when you look at it. conspiracy
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people drive me crazy like why don't you do like
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actual stuff why not but hey no they're doing
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actual stuff Chelsea cuz get look at this the
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administration Whitehouse administration has
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shifted from acknowledging the reports to an
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active investigation a list of 11 missing and
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dead scientists Quote, in light of the recent
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and legitimate questions about these troubling
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cases, the White House is actively working with
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all relevant agencies and the FBI, end quote
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Carolyn Levitt said. President Trump added, quote,
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I hope it's random, but we're going to know in
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the next week and a half, end quote. The White
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House has promised a transparent investigation
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with Levitt noting that quote no stone will be
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unturned end quote. President Trump indicated
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that the administration expects to have more
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definitive answers in the coming weeks. Locally
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the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department remains
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the lead on the Reza missing persons case and
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that's really one of the very few active ones.
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Yeah and you know what exactly that is Trump
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has a dismal approving rating right now he's
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coming up to midterms and he knows who his base
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is it's all the people who are talking about
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this right now the exact same reason the UFO
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documents is supposed to be released yeah and
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i think we should really just release the fucking
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epstein files hey i really thought not to go
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back to this but going back to this i really
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thought that guy that we talked about with bowing
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was gonna make this list i really thought yeah
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you know what i completely forgot about it and
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you're right but i don't think it was like ufo
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related so they just like disregarded it and
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i think he also might like technically be an
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engineer Like, cause he built aircrafts, he didn't
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research or anything. But some of these guys
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are too, like they worked in jet propulsion labs,
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which is engineers, not scientists for the most
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part. I would put it into the same type of thing.
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And maybe it's cause we all know what's Boeing,
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that he didn't make it onto the list. It's a
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much bigger conspiracy than this. Honestly, this
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is insane. I thought it was gonna be much better
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the way people have been going on about it. I
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know. Why does it always end this way? A lot
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of the case for the missing or dead scientist
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really relies on you not looking in any way at
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the people on the list. Most things do in this
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fucking community, that's for sure. Yeah. Don't
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look too far into this, but I gotta tell you
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something. There's actually a Wikipedia article
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on the missing or dead scientists and I just
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pulled a bit from it. on and the list quickly
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stopped making sense. They include suicide victim
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Amy Eskridge, who prior to her death claimed
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to be friends with a katana -wielding time -traveling
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soldier, which I wish I could find more about
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that story, I don't know what they're talking
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about, and whose terminal academic degree was
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a Bachelor of Arts from the University of Alabama,
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a pharmaceutical researcher, and others with
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no connection to the defense or aerospace sectors.
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Michael Shermer, the editor -in -chief of Skeptic,
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explained that conspiracy theorists began digging
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around to find anyone who died for any reason
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or has disappeared and then scrapping through
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their bios to see if they had any connection
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whatsoever to UFOs, military, defense, space,
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aerospace, propulsion, et cetera, end quote,
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inevitably discovering that, quote, patterns
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and random noise, end quote. The Boeing guy could
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have fit that. I know, I know. And yet he's not
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on there. You know what? I wonder if it was prior
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to 2022. For some reason, the cutoff is 2022.
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That explanation was echoed by Benjamin Radford,
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who characterized the conspiracy theory as mystery
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-mongering data mining. And according to McWest,
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there are more than 700 ,000 people working in
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top secret, cleared positions in the US aerospace
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and nuclear sectors, which, when viewed against
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existing mortality rates and causes, would suggest
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that 250 persons in the industry would normally
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succumb to homicides and suicides over the time
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period, during which 10 or 11 missing scientists
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had died or disappeared, with thousands more
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dying of natural causes. And Chelsea, I do want
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to bring this part. This is my own bringing together,
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but the murder rate in the US is roughly, it
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changes from place to place, but it's 4 .29 per
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100 ,000 per annum. And the national per capita
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missing persons rate is 6 .5 per 100 ,000 per
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annum. With those numbers in mind, Los Alamos
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National Laboratory over this period of time
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would have had roughly 16 ,500 employees working
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there. So you would expect roughly four missing
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people from this place. You would also expect
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600 deaths. NASA's Jet Propulsion Labs has 5
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,500 people working at it, and that's after layoffs
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in 2025. During that time you would expect 200
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deaths and one missing person. Caltech, one of
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the NASA scientists who has 165 staff, you'd
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expect some deaths from that. All of these are
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within the normal missing person and mortality
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rates that you would expect from these things.
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It's not out of the ordinary. You could argue
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that because these people are more educated,
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likely better off, that their rates would be
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lower, but I still don't think it falls outside
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of a normal curve. And not all of them are more
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educated. Some of them are literally people you
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say, go get this stuff at Walmart. Yeah, you
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were right to say Wilcock is going to get swept
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up into this because yep, he fits this list exactly.
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So that's probably the twelfth one that you're
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seeing on there I would have no doubt that that's
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number 12 I have also in very recent days seen
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somebody also saying there's nine missing Chinese
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scientists as well and you never see anybody
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saying why the scientists are going missing it's
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always just the list yeah and there's something
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going on This is nuts. Can I just interject here?
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Yeah, of course. John Mitchell Barnett, February
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23rd, 1962, born, died March 9th, 2024. Oh, okay.
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Yeah. And I'm just going to read it quick. I'm
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just going to read it because I need some redemption
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on this episode. Although I really hope the thing
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that we get from this episode, any of you, is
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not that there should be more people on this
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list, particularly the Boeing scientists. What
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they should take away from this episode is they
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need a better fucking list and I'm putting together
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a list that's better and it has one person on
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it right now. I might compile my own list because
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I was able to quickly come up with one person
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who's legitimate. I'm gonna read this because
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I need this for this episode. He was an American
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whistleblower who was known for his substantiated
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safety and quality reports to the Federal Aviation
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Administration about Boeing's production of the
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Boeing 787 Dreamliner. Barnett worked in quality
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control at Boeing's 32 years serving for seven
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as a manager at Boeing, South Carolina. Barnett
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was one of several employees to go public about
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malpractices at Boeing beginning in 2019 with
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New York Times and was featured in a documentary.
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In March, 2024, he failed to report for his third
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day of deposition. He was found dead of a gunshot
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wound. The Charlton County coroner described
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the wound as self -inflicted, a conspiracy theory
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that Boeing had assassinated him spread amongst
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the public. I don't know that seems like a stress
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for assassination but had a doing in it. Video
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surveillance and other, no it was an assassination
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from what I remember. Video surveillance and
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other evidence examined by the Charleston Police
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Department showed that Barnett's cause of death
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was suicide by firearm caused by a period of
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serious personal distress blah blah blah. Anyhow
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much better than this other list that you guys
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have put together. Speaking directly to the list
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makers now, your list sucks. Get a better list,
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get a better list. He might not be directly a
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scientist, however, most of the people on your
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fucking list are not scientists either. So yeah,
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that's my message to the list makers. Chelsea,
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I was looking through some of our like go -to
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hits for who had made comments on the missing
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and dead scientists. And of course, we've seen
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David Wilcock has mentioned it, Anna Paulina
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Luna. who's a congressional representative out
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of Florida. She's crazy. We'll do an episode
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on her at some point. Has made comment on it.
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I believe Timberchat as well. Both Republicans
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have made comments on the list. I went to go
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search Coast to Coast AM to see if they'd done
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an episode on this. And they did in 2003. And
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do you want to guess who the guest was? Steve
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Quayle. It was Steve Quayle. SHUT UP! November
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27, 2003, they had Steve Quayle on, and this
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is the episode description. This is the greatest
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murder mystery in history since author and terrorism
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expert Steve Quayle. Thursday's guest for the
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full four -hour broadcast, he was discussing
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the mysterious series of deaths of around 30
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prominent microbiologists, which began in 2001.
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He delineated the causes of their death, which
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includes planes being shot down or crashing,
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a satanic murder, and improbable suicides. Quail
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believes the thread that connects the victims
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is that they were all working on developing genetically
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specific weapons, weapons that could target certain
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races or groups. He named a transnational black
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ops secret operation program as being behind
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the murder of the scientists, and the shadowy
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group intends to release a superplague that will
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eliminate 90 % of the world's population. And
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they wanted to take out people that could come
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up with a cure for this illness," said Quail.
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Implementation of this depopulation plan may
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have already begun and Africa may be the initial
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test site. Quail suggested. He was particularly
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wary of a Spanish flu derivative that may soon,
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if it hasn't already, be unleashed. I am so proud
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of myself right now. That was amazing. I didn't
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even know that. It just seemed like something...
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This isn't even a new phenomenon. Steve Quail's
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been doing it for over 20 years. If you go to
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his website, he has... I'm just going to share
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my screen, Chelsea, really quick. Oh, I'm excited
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to see this. We meet again, Steve Quail's website.
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the fear that he does is just oh man he has been
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cataloging this Oh my god, look at this list.
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There's no way we saw this on his website when
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we were looking at this Holy shit. This is a
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long list. He stopped doing it apparently So
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the farthest back he goes is 2004 which is even
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after his like appearance on the show coast to
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coast So he has to have even more but like it
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goes into I should just start linking this list
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to people who are talking about it on reddit
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I think I might do it And it's hilarious too,
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because I found it on his website, but it shows
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up like this and I was like, oh I should not
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click that link. Oh wow. I should not click that
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link. And I clicked it. That's incredible. Dead
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scientist. Hold on, it says dead scientist click
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here. And I wasn't a dead scientist, so I didn't
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know. I know. You can't click it if you're not
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a dead scientist. Now it's like, this is either
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a virus or the weirdest ad I've ever seen, but
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I gotta click on it. I know I shouldn't, but
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I gotta. Oh, wow. There's something about Steve
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and Quail coming up in this that just makes it
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all better now. I don't know why. He even at
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least had, like, first off, a bigger list. This
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is way better than what we just went through.
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I guarantee you, it's a bullshit list. Yeah.
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Like, still bullshit, but a bigger mess. Oh,
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so much bullshit. Yeah, so much bullshit. He
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had a coherent idea of why they're being murdered,
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and he could actually explore that. Yeah, I love
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that. I love this. So at least good on him for
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doing that. Yeah. He stopped? He probably didn't
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think... Maybe they stopped. Maybe they took
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a hiatus until just... He was able to stop them.
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Actually, weirdly enough, it stops in... No,
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to 2015. You know what? There probably is another
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list that he has somewhere in his list. It's
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like 2016 to 2022. Like he has to break it up
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because there's so many. Wow. This is more compelling
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than the other list. I'm going to be honest.
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The list the White House has? Horrible list.
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I should link... White House the fuck in that
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list Steve quails I don't even know what's on
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it I already know it's better that's what I've
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got for this but I thought I'm gonna leave this
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off with an article if you're actually concerned
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you're somebody who saw this list and you're
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like oh my god somebody is getting rid of our
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talented scientists we need to make sure that
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we can retain good scientists in the US yeah
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I have something for you to focus on it's an
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article I found perfect enough real real reason
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top scientists are fleeing the US under Trump.
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Talented people can't get jobs. Young researchers
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seek opportunities abroad as instability and
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funding shortages threaten American scientific
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future. A growing wave of talented scientists
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is considering their future in the United States
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driven by severe funding cuts and increasingly
21:42
unstable research environment. Many are now planning
21:46
to move abroad, leaving behind a scientific landscape
21:48
that once drew the best minds from around the
21:50
world. The Trump administration's approach to
21:52
scientific funding has led to widespread instability
21:55
in American research institutes. At the University
21:57
of Washington, who was a thriving center for
21:59
biomedical research, staff layoffs, hiring freezes,
22:02
and reduced research activities have become routine.
22:05
Dr. Jack Castelli, a Canadian doctoral student,
22:08
had a clear plan to join a US biotech firm after
22:10
completing his PhD. But with the government's
22:13
funding slowdown, his options suddenly feel limited.
22:16
Castelli's research focused on developing gene
22:18
editing techniques that could combat HIV. Early
22:21
results in mice show promise. He was eager to
22:23
see his work turn into real treatments. when
22:25
the Trump administration's cuts hit, funding
22:28
for grants at the National Institute of Health
22:29
shrank by over $2 .5 billion. In the first month
22:33
of 2025 alone, the university was forced to halt
22:36
new hires and reduce grants, leaving scientists
22:38
like Castelli uncertain about their future. The
22:40
effect ripples beyond university labs. Professors
22:43
are making salary cuts and research projects
22:46
are being abandoned or delayed. Dr. Anna Wald,
22:49
leading infectious disease researcher at UW Medicine,
22:52
mentioned that some principal investigators had
22:54
to cut their own salaries to keep their teams
22:56
afloat. Many students find themselves unable
22:58
to secure positions in labs or are forced to
23:00
leave the country altogether. The atmosphere
23:02
has become tense and uncertain. According to
23:05
a court filing, faculties are unsure whether
23:07
they will retain their jobs or continue participating
23:10
in conferences. This climate discourages new
23:13
talent from entering the world and prompts seasoned
23:16
scientists to look elsewhere. The Nobel laureate
23:18
David Baker pointed out that talented researchers
23:20
are choosing not to stay in the US because there's
23:22
not really any obvious commitment to science.
23:25
He also went on record to say that really talented
23:28
people are not able to get jobs. Other really
23:30
talented people are able to get jobs, but they're
23:33
choosing not to take them because of the craziness.
23:35
A poll conducted by Nature revealed that more
23:37
than 75 % of 1 ,600 scientists surveyed are actively
23:41
considering leaving the US. Early career researchers,
23:45
including postgraduate students and PhD candidates,
23:47
are especially inclined to move. Many of these
23:50
young scientists face the reality of shrinking
23:52
funding, fewer job prospects, and the loss of
23:55
international collaboration. Kristen Weinstein,
23:57
a doctoral student working on autoimmune research,
24:00
had planned to build her career in the U .S.
24:02
But with current climate, she's now exploring
24:03
options in Europe, Australia, and Germany. Quote,
24:06
it's been difficult to see so many opportunities
24:08
slipping away. I feel like I might have to leave
24:11
my home country just to keep my work going. End
24:13
quote. The trend is not limited to individual
24:15
careers. Universities and research centers are
24:18
feeling the strain. Some departments have reduced
24:20
incoming graduate classes by half, and many labs
24:23
are operating at a fraction of their former size.
24:25
The loss of funding and stability risk creating
24:27
a generation of scientists who might never reach
24:31
their full potential. There's a little bit more,
24:33
but I think that's all I need to show. Really,
24:35
if this is something that does concern you, that
24:38
you are losing scientists, then you should focus
24:40
on making sure you get funding for actual scientists
24:44
to do their jobs. I really like - I think that's
24:45
a simple takeaway to have. Yeah, I think that's
24:48
a great article to end on, actually. And I'm
24:51
just gonna go out - Because I have not seen anybody
24:53
bring those up again. Yeah, I'm just gonna go
24:55
out on a limb and say the people who made this
24:57
list are not concerned - about losing scientists
24:59
in that way. Nope. Yeah. Let's face it, people
25:03
like a fantastical story. And what's more fantastical
25:06
than somebody mysteriously murdering and taking
25:08
away scientists? Yeah, it is definitely playing
25:11
into the conspiracy minded for the missing and
25:15
murdered scientists. There's tons of people missing
25:17
in the world. Obviously they're not true crime
25:19
lovers. They're more conspiracy minded in this
25:22
matter. You could look at all sorts of missing
25:24
people who go missing in strange circumstances.
25:27
I do find them compelling as well they're interesting
25:29
to look at mostly just because there's a mystery
25:32
to solve and I feel very bad for the families
25:34
involved as well it's a very sad thing yeah I
25:37
think that's a great way to end it the article
25:40
speaks for itself I think and my personal opinion
25:43
is somebody saw the general go missing happened
25:45
to find one other person within the UFO community
25:48
who had also died or gone missing started making
25:51
connections and didn't really care if the connections
25:54
to all of them worked together so long as they
25:58
had a connection somewhere with something on
26:01
the list. Yeah. And that's how it just kept expanding.
26:04
And they never started with anything other than
26:06
there's a list of dead scientists or people being
26:09
threatened within the community. Yeah. And I
26:12
mean, whatever that community may be, then they
26:14
can just point to the list. Look at the list.
26:16
There's a whole list of things. But yeah, I hope
26:19
everybody leaves this a little more enlightened,
26:21
at least with some sort of call to action. Seriously,
26:24
there's something to be done here it's just not
26:27
with what you think it is yeah well worth your
26:30
time though people of the united states who are
26:33
i don't know what you can do exactly hey maybe
26:36
you just write a letter asking for the epstein
26:38
files to be released yeah i know i just saw that
26:40
if um bc might even put us liquor back on the
26:44
shelves if they release the epstein list that's
26:47
the most recent oh my god i love that Did EB
26:49
do that? I'm not sure. I just saw the headline.
26:52
I haven't read the article yet. I like that.
26:53
I think that's a good spot to end it. I have
26:55
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