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Apple Triggers Crypto Gaming Bull-Run!?🚀Honeyland CEO INTERVIEW🔥 · The Paul Barron Crypto Show

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  Speaker 1: You're always looking for what is going to be the
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  Speaker 1: catalyst for the next bull run. Today we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be breaking down just that, and it may be this
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  Speaker 1: ruling on the Apple App Store. My name is Paul Barrel.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back in the tech path. Let's get into it today.
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  Speaker 1: If you guys did not catch our video last week,
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  Speaker 1: just go over to the YouTube channel right now. It's
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  Speaker 1: this one right here, and it's called the Judge eviscerates Apple.
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  Speaker 1: Did a full breakdown of what the legal ramifications were
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  Speaker 1: by the judge and the courts on Apple's actions toward creators, developers,
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  Speaker 1: you name it, gamers, including you and me when you're
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: just doing regular Netflix subscriptions. All of that changed last week.
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  Speaker 1: Let me go to a clip real quick, and then
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  Speaker 1: we're going to bring in our guests to kind of
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  Speaker 1: just give you a recap. Take a look.
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  Speaker 2: This is.
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  Speaker 3: Weird sound.
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  Speaker 2: Apple has been defeated four year, four months and seventeen
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  Speaker 2: day long legal battle.
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  Speaker 4: That I thought this court would tolerate such an insubordination
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  Speaker 4: was a gross miscalculation for this court. There is no
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  Speaker 4: second bite at the Apple. It is so ordered whoo
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  Speaker 4: Fang to get out of the typewriter, dounge and tune
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  Speaker 4: and the judges is pissed.
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  Speaker 2: Literally the words cook chose poorly are in this decision.
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  Speaker 3: This is over.
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  Speaker 4: Sanctions are getting involved. Oh boy, no fees on web transactions.
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  Speaker 4: Game over. It happened. It's over. Go subscribe on my
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  Speaker 4: site and get a discount.
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  Speaker 1: How much do you want to pay? Pretty good backhand
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  Speaker 1: pimp slap fortnet mobile coming back.
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  Speaker 4: Perhaps we'll actually get a new Apple skin that would
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  Speaker 4: be very cool to kind of celebrate, well, them actually winning.
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  Speaker 4: The skin may be released in the future, all right,
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  Speaker 4: So as.
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  Speaker 1: You can see, guys, that was a big news topic.
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  Speaker 1: It has changed possibly the future of digital commerce, literally
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  Speaker 1: the future of digital commerce. So I wanted to bring
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  Speaker 1: in an expert, somebody who's faced this head on, and
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  Speaker 1: that is Corey right coming in from Honeyland. How are you, man, Paul.
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  Speaker 2: It's great to see you again. That was a really
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  Speaker 2: cool montage and a really healthy moment as well, for
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  Speaker 2: all of the three gaming and really the world.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Corey, you spent some time kind of building around
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  Speaker 1: the Apple ecosystem, you know, finding the little cracks and crannies.
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  Speaker 1: All of that's kind of gone now to be able
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  Speaker 1: to just to initiate a game something like honey Honeyland.
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  Speaker 1: What will this change for you in terms of how
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  Speaker 1: you're developing, how you're building product now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so we had from day you know, we've
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  Speaker 2: been live on the Apple App Store for over two
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  Speaker 2: years now, and so we were able to get around
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  Speaker 2: a lot of kind of some of those challenges through
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  Speaker 2: building this what I would call intricate on chain off
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  Speaker 2: chain architecture. Players can get essentially deposit crypto to get
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  Speaker 2: into the game, and then we would allow the move
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  Speaker 2: it off chain and we would settle on chain in
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  Speaker 2: the background, and so it allowed us to get beyond that,
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  Speaker 2: but we also did in purchases and we had to
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  Speaker 2: pay those thirty percent fees, and so to get around that,
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  Speaker 2: we build other platforms where players can go and we
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  Speaker 2: built like a stripe on ramp where they could use
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  Speaker 2: stripe and deposit that way and get around some of
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  Speaker 2: those fees. And so, yeah, we were fortunate that we
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  Speaker 2: built a lot of that tech. But now this really
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  Speaker 2: opened to the aperture on what we can do. We're
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  Speaker 2: very hesitant to you know, the types of product that
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  Speaker 2: we wanted to offer that way, simply because It was
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  Speaker 2: kind of on a if it needed to be there,
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  Speaker 2: we would build it, but there was no we had
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  Speaker 2: to educate the players. We had there was no direct
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  Speaker 2: path to let the players know about these other options,
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  Speaker 2: so they were really limited to just kind of going
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  Speaker 2: with the in app purchases. So we were very limited.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it certainly opens up the our kind
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  Speaker 2: of game plan in terms of what we intend to
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  Speaker 2: offer as in app purchases, and does a ton for
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  Speaker 2: us just in terms of like new player onboarding or
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  Speaker 2: how can we really go capture Web two players and
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  Speaker 2: allow them just to use credit card primarily now through
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  Speaker 2: everything that they're doing, as opposed to having to onboard
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  Speaker 2: through crypto and stuff. And so yeah, it unlocks a
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  Speaker 2: lot for I think the entire Web three gaming ecosystem,
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  Speaker 2: but it certainly still unlocks a ton for us.
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  Speaker 1: This could be a commerce boom which will affect NFTs,
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  Speaker 1: possibly even crypto exchanges, many things in a big way.
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  Speaker 1: Here's Spotify News they were talking about this well as well.
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  Speaker 1: In a huge victory for consumers, artists, creators, authors, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: Near a decade of all of this slowing down the
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  Speaker 1: process and now what we're seeing which could be, and
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  Speaker 1: I agree with them a significant milestone in terms of
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  Speaker 1: developers and entrepreneurs, people who are now can actually build product.
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  Speaker 1: I was looking at the guidelines, Cory, this has to
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  Speaker 1: be music to your ears right here. I mean, look
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  Speaker 1: at this. Three point one one. Apps in the United
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  Speaker 1: States storefront are not prohibited from including buttons, external links,
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  Speaker 1: other calls to action, including allowing users to browse NFT collections.
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  Speaker 1: What did you guys have a big party like a
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  Speaker 1: pizza party or a Honeyland party or what was the
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  Speaker 1: process here for you guys going forward with us? Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's funny.
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  Speaker 2: I was on a trip. We were doing a big
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  Speaker 2: Honeyland event, like a community event in London this past week,
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  Speaker 2: So when it came out it was I wasn't at
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  Speaker 2: my normal desking computer, so it was very distributed. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there was a ton of a sync communication with our
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  Speaker 2: team that was really celebrating and starting to think or
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  Speaker 2: starting to unlock for us how we can pardon the pun,
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  Speaker 2: but think differently. There were so many people that with
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  Speaker 2: the uncertainty of could you build and get live in
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  Speaker 2: the app store? Could that they just went mobile or
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  Speaker 2: they went to Epic, or they went to other distribution
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  Speaker 2: channels and publishers, and now this starts to get what
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  Speaker 2: I think will be a much larger wave, and ultimately
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  Speaker 2: this is a rising tide.
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  Speaker 1: Rises all boats.
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  Speaker 2: For Web three Gaming, we did run with a lot
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  Speaker 2: of fear every single time we'd push in new build.
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  Speaker 2: We've been fortunate that we've had very few shoes with Apple,
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  Speaker 2: but you never know. You make one small change and
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the game that we've worked so
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  Speaker 2: hard for can immediately be gone from any of our
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  Speaker 2: Apple users almost overnight if they just didn't like a ruling.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think for us this gives us a
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  Speaker 2: big exhale that we know that kind of everything that
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  Speaker 2: we've done now has a lot more cushioning around it
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  Speaker 2: in terms of just what the certainty and regulation is
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  Speaker 2: going to be from Apple and how they decide to
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  Speaker 2: king make or rule make whatever they want and so.
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  Speaker 2: And big kudos to Spotify as well. They've been championing
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  Speaker 2: this even before the Epic Game Store.
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  Speaker 1: Now you're seeing developers can now bypass platform fees, link
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  Speaker 1: players directly to web shops from inside games. All of
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  Speaker 1: this is going to be huge. Now people are actually
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  Speaker 1: helping companies out there kind of make this transition. Do
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  Speaker 1: you think that will change the way that companies like you,
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  Speaker 1: maybe even your competitors even think about developing.
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  Speaker 2: Now, it really comes back to the consumer is who
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  Speaker 2: who's ultimately paying more for this? And I think that's
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  Speaker 2: one of the things gets that gets missed here is
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  Speaker 2: that it doesn't really make It's not going to make
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  Speaker 2: it so that we are making more on every in
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  Speaker 2: app purchase. Those savings are going to be passed back
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  Speaker 2: to the player, which I think is really important. And
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  Speaker 2: then the liquidity stays within the ecosystem, which is so
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  Speaker 2: important for you know, a Web three ecosystem that if
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  Speaker 2: a player spends one hundred dollars into the ecosystem and
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  Speaker 2: thirty percent immediately leaves, it's really really challenging to create that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to where we're really struggling, like the big
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  Speaker 2: challenges creating liquidity within an ecosystem, and when Apple is
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  Speaker 2: siphoning that immediately, it's a huge challenge to overcome. So
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  Speaker 2: I think that that's the biggest benefit for us is
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  Speaker 2: the game developer, is the liquidity staying in the ecosystem
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  Speaker 2: and those savings can path back to the player where
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a huge benefit there.
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  Speaker 1: This is just showing kind of funny how creator earnings
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  Speaker 1: were less than half of what they would charge. So
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  Speaker 1: if you look at the iOS app, if you spent
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  Speaker 1: ten bucks is like six dollars and twenty cents. It's
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  Speaker 1: what your reward or your remainder was versus a sixty
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  Speaker 1: one in the Android system. And that's not even you know,
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  Speaker 1: considering the limitations of the app itself, no telling how
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  Speaker 1: much money that you're losing just because a user can't
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  Speaker 1: or doesn't want to engage with you because of that fee,
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  Speaker 1: which a lot of people. Do you know, do you
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  Speaker 1: think that's going to change the the layer of games,
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  Speaker 1: because in the past it's we've kind of had these
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  Speaker 1: like casino style games, people paying for placement in the
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  Speaker 1: app store, getting these really crappy products out there because
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  Speaker 1: they're great money grabs. Do you think that's going to
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  Speaker 1: change the kind of game that is now going to
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  Speaker 1: be able to actually be fun to play and climbing
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  Speaker 1: the charts.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how much that's the shift here, although
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  Speaker 2: I could wrong. I mean I think that, like we
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  Speaker 2: already talked about, there's a lot of games that may
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  Speaker 2: just think of other publishing channels outside of Apple that
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  Speaker 2: because uncertainty there, and so I think that those types
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  Speaker 2: of games exist already, but they'll get just different publishing
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  Speaker 2: options now with Apple that I think that's probably where
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  Speaker 2: you're going to see that they're more available through Apple
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: than than than that. There are actually new types of
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  Speaker 2: games that are coming that didn't exist. They just haven't
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  Speaker 2: existed on Apple before, and it's been much more difficult
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  Speaker 2: to reach players that way. And so I think the distribution,
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  Speaker 2: the onboarding friction of like a new player trying to
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  Speaker 2: own assets, you know, either there's loss of value or
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: you know. And so I think there's there's so much
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  Speaker 2: that it's going to do for retention distribution, and those
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: are really really important not just for the game but
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  Speaker 2: for the for the community. You want more players, you
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  Speaker 2: want the liquidity, you need all of those things. And
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: so when when it really as you kind of mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: unshackles those, I think it means a lot more than
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  Speaker 2: just you know, a thirty percent savings of dollar. There
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  Speaker 2: is a lot of trickle down effect, even going into
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  Speaker 2: like the ability to fundraise right when right more money
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  Speaker 2: is staying within the system, or the ability to add
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  Speaker 2: crypto into games that maybe games couldn't do that previously,
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  Speaker 2: and so now you can start to think differently about
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  Speaker 2: how you can build these game economies. And so yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: to your point, maybe there are new uh you know,
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  Speaker 2: games that have to think outside of Apple can now
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  Speaker 2: start thinking about how they can do that win an
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  Speaker 2: Apple as well.
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  Speaker 1: Well. I think it's also in a position where it's
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  Speaker 1: going to change the very fabric of how payments are
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  Speaker 1: done in game and even in certain services out there.
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  Speaker 1: If you look at here's the Sweet play a good example.
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of zoomed in on their screen, but it
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  Speaker 1: shows right there at the game dollar. That's one option,
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  Speaker 1: and you'll notice the cost is like forty seven bucks there.
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  Speaker 1: But if you go Apple Pay, there's the fee right there,
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  Speaker 1: fifty bucks. And then if you go with Visa, also
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: a fee. So the likelihood is now even Visa could
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: be affected by this. So they're probably going to look
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: at scrambling trying to figure out a way to possibly
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  Speaker 1: because they could easily get dislodged with in game NFT
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  Speaker 1: value or other things like in this particular case, a
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: game dollar. Imagine that for Fortnite, if they were using
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  Speaker 1: a crypto asset and no longer using Visa. Oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: the potential there is unbelievable. And then you look at
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  Speaker 1: the hardware. This is the other thing that's changing. Obviously,
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: we see prices growing right now in terms of the
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: older xboxes. I'm kind of curious, do you think there
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: is a potential here for cloud gaming to really take
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: off now that the consoles are starting to get a
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: little bit of a pushback.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean cloud gaming is what Web three games
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  Speaker 2: are meant for, right It's really difficult to get really
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: the Web three elements onto console. I think it's really
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: made for cloud and online and mobile are really where
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: crypto is going to I think thrive most. And so
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: it's a huge, a huge win for anybody in Web
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  Speaker 2: three gaming. And yeah, I think cloud gaming is going
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  Speaker 2: to see the biggest benefit from that. And then we'll see,
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  Speaker 2: you know how this may set a standard for what
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: consoles want to start to do in terms of relaxing
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: their gates, are turning down their walls a little bit
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: to become a little bit more crypto friendly.
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: We had Yatsu on not too long ago. He's from
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: Anamoca brands. We did this video with him, and the
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: topic was Grand Theft Auto there of course, and AI
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  Speaker 1: agents because this is going to be a big one
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: with what virtuals is doing. His prediction was is that
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  Speaker 1: the launch of Grand Theft Auto would initialize maybe the
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: next level of e commerce. And the question I asked
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  Speaker 1: him in that video was, you know, will they be
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  Speaker 1: able to do it without Apple? And of course now
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: you know with this ruling it completely eliminates So when
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: you look at that and the fact that we've also
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  Speaker 1: got a delay now with Grand Theft Auto six months
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  Speaker 1: right now, GTA six delayed to May of twenty six,
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  Speaker 1: it's actually more than that. But the point being is
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: that was this delay maybe to get ready for what
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  Speaker 1: they knew was coming with this Apple suitcase being an issue.
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: I'm just kind of curious. I want to play a
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  Speaker 1: clip for you and then I want to get your opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Let me go to this clip.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, have another marketplace called d Market and you can
• 12:11
  Speaker 3: really trade as kind of our our our eBay market
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  Speaker 3: right of any any game asset, and that that system
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  Speaker 3: does a lot, is doing a little about about four
• 12:20
  Speaker 3: hundred million dollars a trade volume a year. What's exciting
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: about that now is we did a big research on
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  Speaker 3: in twenty percent of our volume, twenty percent now is
• 12:27
  Speaker 3: coming from AI agents, from things like Claude or chat GTP.
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: People are now using these services to trade on their behalf.
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: We're gonna we're now kind of working to make sure
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: that all of our APIs are very very friendly, so
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: that so that these these new AI agents can understand
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: what they're trying to ask for and make it very
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: very simple, because now you have a new interface, so
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  Speaker 3: we think it's very powerful.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So that's a mythical CEO. Talking about the
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: potential of AI agents, Yat Sue mentioned that he thinks
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: AI agents will reformat how some of these big blockbuster
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  Speaker 1: games like GTA will be into GRI. We'll see a
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: lot more potentials there. Maybe this is all in a
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  Speaker 1: plan now of getting ready for crypto and blockchain and
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  Speaker 1: digital assets as well as AI agents playing into gaming.
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  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on this?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is going to be huge and
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  Speaker 2: if GTA six, which will be the biggest game ever released,
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  Speaker 2: you know, can really start to lead a charge on
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  Speaker 2: this and essentially take billions of people and make them
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  Speaker 2: comfortable with whatever that next stage of gaming is and
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: something that because they're going to succeed with without the
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: Apple Store, but the you know, it was important to
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: them still, right. I mean that's why Spotify It and
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: Epic we're fighting this is because it really does cut
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: into their margins. But for the smaller games, for the smaller,
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: the more indie studios or the ones that are more
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: our size, it unlocks so much for us. And then
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  Speaker 2: if we can see people like GTA six and Epic
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  Speaker 2: really start to lead this and make others comfortable and
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: that's kind of their entry point, then that can be
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: another way for them to discover us where we may
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: not have had that ability previously. And so yeah, the
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: more that these larger titles and publishers can think about this,
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: the better everybody is.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 1: As you're watching the AI agents side of things, guys,
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: if you're you know, if you're a brand new to
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: our channel, make sure and check out our videos on virtuals.
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: If you look at virtuals right now starting to again,
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  Speaker 1: just hear from April climbing in terms of agent revenue,
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: So we'll most likely see AI agents being used a
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: lot more in everyday activities. One of the things that
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: I'm watching because I think this may have a hand
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: in kind of a hand in hand relationship to gaming
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: is food ordering. And it's funny because many people have
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: tried to integrate food ordering into games for a long time.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: Now we have a potential here where actual AI agents
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: could be functioning on tools like this. Let me play
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: a clip for you. Take a look.
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  Speaker 5: You know when you're starving, but you don't even want
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: to open a delivery app. Well, seeing this is by AI.
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: Now let's try it out. I want to large pizza
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: with some fun toppings. Add it to my cart. I've
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: added a spicy hot chicken pickle pizza to your car.
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: Can you also add something sweet from the menu? Surprise me,
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: I've added a delightful s'more pie to your car. Check
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: out your orders? All set and on the way? Do
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: you take tips in crypto? No crypto paid for this,
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: so I was curious. Yeah, no, it's through this AIS.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you so much.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Imagine that integrated into a game. And then you have
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: to worry about how visa because that has been the
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: pretty much the cornerstone of e commerce most likely and
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: even within Honeyland. If you think about how they're going
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: to be able to pie for in game assets. Listen
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  Speaker 1: to what Visa potentially could be facing here. Take a look.
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  Speaker 4: Visa is another company in the earnings parade this week,
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: the payments Giant is reporting mixed results and then this
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: morning rolling out some new technology products.
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  Speaker 2: I think we're going to have the ability to be
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: able to just say, whether it's groceries or a specific
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: gift that I'm trying to buy, it's just going to
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: make it a lot easier.
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  Speaker 6: Visa also announcing a way to make it easier to
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: pay with cryptocurrency. In this CEO sounded bullish on the consumer.
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  Speaker 6: After what was a mixed report for Visa yesterday, we
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: said it is certainly uncertain.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So Visa certainly uncertain. I like that one.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Visa looking like they could be in a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of hot water here. What do you think do you
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: think this is going to affect their business at all?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think Visa can have this affect their
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: business incredibly positively if they want to instead of push
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: against it, they want to embrace it, right, and so
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: we've seen tools like cast, which is a really cool
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: kind of way to put load. Basically, Visa think of
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: it as like prepaid with crypto and then pay through
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: digital payments and Apple Pay, and I know a lot
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: of people that are doing that and getting really good rewards.
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  Speaker 2: I think that Visa can be a conduit to really
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  Speaker 2: unlock Crypto to Fiat Bridge to really make that world,
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: or I shouldn't even say Fiat to really digital payments.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: And Crypto is made for digital point payments, and so
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: much of what we're doing with Apple pay all this
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: is digital payments. Now, why would we not start to
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: integrate these and take advantage of everything that crypto has
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: to offer with simplicity in the rails that Visus already built.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: This is well to your point. They could They could
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: win big here if they choose to, but it's going
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: to be a selection and maybe they're in a position
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: where they are seeing the riding on the wall now
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: in terms of how fast this may come into play,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: especially with legislation coming through most likely with the Market
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Structure Act and stable coins, which could really start to
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: shake things up dramatically in terms of payment options. When
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: you look at the roadmap for Honeyland, how are you
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: guys mapping this out for the potential of advancing your business?
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Right now? I know you've got a lot going on, you.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Know, and this was similar to how you know the
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: it seems like GTA was already building and then this
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: announcement really helps them out. There's things that we're already
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: building in terms of that, we were building iaps for
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: new bundles, for onboarding experience and things that we've identified.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: But I think this now starts to give us the
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: ability to start to run more special events. So since
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: we had to build tech outside of the game, we
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: needed real engagement with that. And so now if most
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: of the egagement takes place in our game and we
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: can at least start to move players towards these events,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: we can start to build much more time based or
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: special events around in that purchase as opposed to things
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: that are only in crypto. And so I think it
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: again that idea of like, we can start to think
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: differently now that we have this unlock of what we're
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: able to do. And yeah, so there's all the known
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: benefits of the value savings and the liquidity keeping and
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: the friction list, but it now starts to give basically
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: a better player experience because we can do more knowing
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: that the time invested into it has a much more
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: lasting impact. On how we can start to use that
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: in the game for players.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: And reach out for sure, oh no doubt. And when
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, when our users are trying to
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: keep track of this and say, well, Paul, what does
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: this really do to affect crypto, and I think you
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: have to step back and realize all the ancillary benefits
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: around this, from the ecosystems of the blockchains to the
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: potential use case of stable coins and other digital assets
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: including NFTs and other things. Even figitals to a certain extent,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: physical and digital connection now is going to be much
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: easier through all of this. I think it's just the
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: beginning of something very very special. It's like, you know,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: the whole e commerce model has been flipped on its
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: head because of the Apple ecosystem being pretty much boiled
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: down to you know, an even keel for everybody. So
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: it's definitely going to be a big impact for sure. Corey.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: It's been good having you back on the show. We'll
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: definitely bring you in as things start to develop for you,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: because I want to see how you guys attack this
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: and come out with some cool stuff.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Well that's great, and like I said, we'll probably be
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: more speedy than others just because we have a lot
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: of the tooling ready. It's now just about you know,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: the education and kind of the updating the UI. But yeah,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: I am really excited. I promise you updated and we
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: will have stuff pretty speedily ready to take advantage of.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: This excellent Thanks for coming in today. We appreciate it, Corey,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Paul appreciate you. Take care all right, you guys, jump
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