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The Deposition Of Epstein's Chief Pilot Larry Visoski (Volume 2) (6/6/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where we
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left off with Jeffrey Epstein's pilot, Larry Vasaski and his
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deposition from two thousand and nine. Once again, Brad Edwards
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asking the questions, Larry Vasaski doing the answering. Question. Okay,
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so you remember this flight where a President Clinton, Kevin Spacey,
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and Chris Tucker, Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell. Answer yes.
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Question from JFK to what is this LPAZ LPAZ? That
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is question South Africa or something? Answer No, it's the
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Azor Islands, Santa Maria. Question do you know the purpose
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of that trip? Answer it was a fuel stop. Question okay?
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And do you know why Chris Tucker and Kevin Spacey
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were on that airplane? Answer no. Question did you talk
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to them? Answer? They came up to the cockpit and
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said hello, so they converse nothing more. Question. Another name
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that was on here a few times, specifically referring right
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now to the dates of September twenty third and twenty
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fourth of two thousand and two is Ron Burkele. Do
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you know who Ron Burkele is? Answer? I know what
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that is, yes, I didn't realize he was on our airplane.
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Question right, now, that is the first time that you
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remember Ron Burkele being on the airplane? Answer yeah. Question
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do you know what purpose for him being on that airplane?
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Answer no, Granted, I'm seeing this for the first time,
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so I'm trying. Question let me ask you that because
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this was given to me at a deposition of Dave Rogers,
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who I understand was the chief pilot for mister Epstein,
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and now you're the chief pilot. But you always kind
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of worked in tandem. Correct answer sure, we complimented each other.
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Question and you both worked for the same company that
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flies Jeffrey Epstein's airplane. Right answer yes. Question so I
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was of the presumption, which may have been I may
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have been misled here, or I may have, you know,
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misunderstood the purpose behind this book or how it was created.
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I thought that you had probably seen this before at
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some point in time. Answer oh, no. Question did you
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know that Dave Rogers was keeping this book? Answer no,
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I know he keeps a pilot log book. Question Okay,
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but you didn't know he was keeping the names of
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the people who were on the airplane. Answer no, it's
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not required, so I mean question, so today is the
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first time that you're learning that the name of the
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people that are on the airplane was kept by Dave Rogers.
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Answer yes in his log book. Question okay, and at
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times when you would come into the country with passengers,
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well not, at times, didn't you have to also report
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their date of birth? Answer sure? Question at times? Weren't
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there also people that you would bring in from other
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countries into the United States that were under the age
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of eighteen? Answer yes, question and at sometimes those were
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flights that included Jean Luke Brunel and girls that were
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under the age of eighteen, right, mister Critten, object to
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form Vysoski answers, I don't remember those flights. Question Okay,
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you don't remember which flights it would have been where
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there would have been girls under the age of eighteen.
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Objection by criten form Vasoski. Well, I would have to
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look at the flight logs, Edwards. It's not illegal to
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have somebody under the age of eighteen on a flight anyway, right,
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answer no, not at all. Question were you ever aware
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that you, as a pilot were transporting girls under the
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age of eighteen who were supposed to be models, Critten
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objects to form VASASKI I had no knowledge, Edwards, okay,
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you never knew who the people were on the airplane,
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that their purpose was their role with Jeffrey Epstein or
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Jean Luke Brunel Answer no question, all right. Do you
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know Juliette Bryant? Answer no, I don't remember the name.
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Question Andrea Metrovich answer I remember the name. Question she
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flew frequently, at least for a period of time. Do
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you remember the answer yes. Question is that somebody that
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you thought was familiar with the modeling industry or related
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to the modeling industry? Answer no question. Okay, And these people,
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did Jeffrey Epstein ever tell you how he was associated
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with any of them? Answer no question. Did you ever
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wonder how he was associated with any of them? Answer no?
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Never interested question? And on several of these, well most
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of these, the names or initials of the people that
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are on the flight are listed. Do you know on
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the occasions where it lists generally two females or three
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females or six females, do you know why that was done? Answer?
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Just because we didn't know the person's name. We tried
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to do the best we could to keep the records.
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Question when you say we tried to do the best
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that we could. Answer Dave and I question, okay, but
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the first time that you learned that he kept anybody's
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names was today? Right? Answer? Well, I didn't know he
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kept them in his log book. He would fill out
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passenger manifest as where having passengers names in your pilot
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log book, he's probably the only person in the world
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that does that. Question. Okay, answer so when you were
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mentioning putting the names down, when you said females or male,
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you know I was referring to the passenger manifest. Question
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for each of these same flights, then that we're referring
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to out of this log book that was marked as
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composite Exhibit one in Dave Rogers's deposition. Am I understanding
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you correctly that there would also be a passenger manifest
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for each of these flights? Answer? Yes, question Now where
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would I find the passenger manifest? Who keeps the documentation?
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Answer corporate? Our corporate office? Question which is whom? Answer
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up in New York deren Endyke question at what corporation
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is that? Though? Answer any SLLC. I guess, mister Ryan
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Hard objects. Do you know for sure, Vysoski, I don't
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know for sure. I mean when you say we would
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just send them up to New York. Edwards, did you
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ever keep a copy of them? Vasoski? No, Edwards, did
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you keep a passenger manifest Bososki, just tracking of to
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you know what times and who went where? Ryin Hart,
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can I confer with them on one thing before you
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ask a question? Edwards? Yeah, they go off the record
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for a minute, ryin Hart, Mister Edwards, let him amend
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his prior answer. I think he must misunderstood the question. Edwards,
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I don't know what question were amounting the answer to Reinhart.
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Let me clarify this way. As passenger manifests, they are
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corporate documents of either je Ge or Hyperion Air, whatever
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company owns the plane. Mister Vassoski has physical custody of them.
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He retains them, but they're not his documents. There are
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corporate documents, so they're not New York Vasoski. Those are
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the ones that I have at the airport office that
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I turned into council, that has the passenger's names on them. Edwards, Okay, Vasoski,
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it's called a passenger manifest. Question Okay, ryin Hart right
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edwards the passenger of manifest, just so I understand it
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exactly what that is? Tell me? Tell me in your
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own words. Answer its departure time, the city, the landing
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time exactly, and the passengers that would have been on
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the flight. Question and at times on that passenger manifest?
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Would you also list generically female or male? Answer? Yes,
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that was the document I was referring to, stating that
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if we didn't know a person, we did not go
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out of our way to find out a name. We
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just put it in the account for how many people
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were on the aircraft at the time. Who is currently
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in the custody or control sorry, who currently maintains or
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has possession of the passenger manifest from nineteen ninety eight
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through the present through today for those airplanes that you
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flew related to Jeffrey Epstein. Answer, I currently have, which
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council has now two thousand and five. I believe until
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the present time, and the records previously to that I
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believe were turned into Council with a previous investigation with
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Jack Goldberger's office. I believe I believe they maintain those records. Question,
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when you say turned into council. There are a lot
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of council involved here. Answer Jack Goldberger's office. I believe
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question when you say the previous investigation, you're talking about
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the criminal investigation. Answer exactly, yes, sir, question, and you're
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aware in that criminal investigation obviously that Jeffrey Epstein pled
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guilty to certain charges. Correct answer from what I read. Yes, question, Well,
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you did visit him in jail? Right answer, Yes, we
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didn't talk about that question. Okay. You know, in order
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to go to jail, though, you have to be convicted
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of some crime, right critin form argumentative Bososki, Yes, Edwards,
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it wasn't like he was visiting the jail and you
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were visiting and you happen to bump into each other.
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You actually went to see him while he was in
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an inmate in jail. Right answer, right, yes, question. Okay,
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So when we're talking about the criminal investigation, we're talking
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about the criminal investigation revolving around the allegations of Jeffrey
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Epstein engaging insects acts with minors. Criten form Edwards, that's
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the criminal investigation you're talking about, right criten form Pasoski.
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I don't know the full definition of really what happened there.
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I know that it was something to do with solicitation,
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a prostitution, that's all I read. Edwards, Okay, you were
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aware that the allegations involved were revolved around underage girls
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or girls under the age of eighteen critten objects again
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form Pasoski, I was revolved around it? Yes, Edwards, who
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first made you aware of that? Answer the newspaper? Question
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were you ever questioned by the police? Answer? I don't
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know who questioned me. Actually I did have a questioning session,
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but I don't even remember who questioned me. Question Where
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did that take place? Answer? I don't remember. Question at
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your house? Answer no, I'm thinking it was Jack Goldberger's office.
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It may have been downtown at the Palm Beach County
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Courthouse or something in that area there. Okay, So either
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it happened at an attorney's office that represented answer exactly
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question Jeffrey Epstein or the other side. Answer yeah. Question
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and during that questioning, is that when you turned over
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the passenger manifest from prior to two thousand and five?
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Answer yes, question and you turn those manifests directly over
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to Jack Goldberger? Answer yes, Actually I believe Dave Rogers
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did I wasn't in possession of those records. Question and
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for the passenger Manifest prior to two thousand and five?
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How far did those passenger manifest go back in time? Answer?
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They should go back I guess to ninety one or
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whenever we started existence. Question and did you turn them
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over from ninety one all the way through to two
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thousand and five? Answer? I don't know. I didn't turn
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them in. Dave Rogers did question are you in possession
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of a copy of any of those materials? Answer? No, question.
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I thought that you you know, ten minutes ago when
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we were talking about this, you said that you had
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them back at the office. Answer that was the office
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the airplane office, which I've given to Bruce, which is
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the current log. He's in possession of them now, I
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had possession of them. Okay, what he's in possession of
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just so I know what documents are Where he's in
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possession of the passenger Manifest from two thousand and five
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through the present answer? Correct, question. If I want to
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obtain the passenger Manifest from ninety nine to ninety eight
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through two thousand and five, that's something that I would
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request from whom Pisoski helped me out, that's mister Reinhardt,
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if you know witness. If you don't know who possesses
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them right now, they were turned into Jack Goldberger's office
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a year and a half ago or two years ago,
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Vasoski says, Edwards, you started out by indicating that you
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sent these passenger manifests or a copy thereof, to Darren
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Endyke or someone at NESLLC. Is that correct? Answer? Correct question?
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If I requested them from NES, that's somebody at some
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point in time and possession of all the past in
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germ manifest. Answer sure, question And nys LLC's address is
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the one you gave me at three oh one East
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sixty sixth Street. Answer, I believe so. I don't know
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what the address they're using for that. I know he's
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cut off by Edwards question. But Darren indikes the attorney
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that I would call. Answer yes, sir, question, and he
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could probably steer me in the right direction. Answer yes
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to that. Criten objects to form. All right, we're gonna
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wrap up right here, and in the next episode we're
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gonna pick up where we left off. All of the
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information that goes with this episode can be found in
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the description box. What's Up everyone, and welcome to another
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episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking
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up where we left off with the Larry Vasaski deposition
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from two thousand and nine. Once again Brad Edwards asking
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questions Larry Vasaski doing the answer in Edwards, do you
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know Amy Taylor Vasoski? Yes, question, how do you know her? Answer?
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She was on the airplane? Question how old is she? Answer?
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I have no idea question age range? Answer twenty eight
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question now answer yeah, twenty eight or maybe if not older,
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Now she was probably twenty eight. I guess she was
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somebody in her late twenties. Question, so we're talking about
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two thousand and three, That's what I'm trying to understand. Answer,
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I'm guessing. Question we're talking two thousand and nine. Now
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we're saying twenty eight by that, Do you mean she
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in two thousand and three she was twenty three or
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twenty four years old? Answer? You're having me a guests
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on her age? Question Yeah, answer, I mean I can't
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be accurate. Question somebody between eighteen and twenty five. To
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that objection by criten form Edwards at the time you
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were seeing her. Back in to that, He's cut off
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by VESASKI if you want me to guess? Question No,
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I don't want you to guess. Answer I don't know.
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Then question well, if I say between ten and fifty,
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answer that's range. Question If I say between ten and fifty,
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you're not guessing there anymore. You know she's in there,
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right answer she's in the middle there. Yeah. Question okay,
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how can we narrow that down? We're talking about somebody
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in her twenties. Answer in her late twenties. Question at
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least that's what you believed? Answer yes, question all right,
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Is that somebody that you would know to be associated
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or friendly with Glenn Maxwell? Answer? I don't know. Question
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do you know what her relationship was to Jeffrey Epstein
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or Glenn Maxwell? Answer no. Question do you know where
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she is now? Answer no? Idea question when's the last
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time you talked to her? Answer I don't know. What
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date do you have on there? Question February twenty twenty three.
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Answer so probably that long ago. I may have said, Hello,
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question that somebody who was on the airplane multiple times?
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Answer more than once. I mean, I have no account
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for how many times. Question Well, I've asked you about
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a bunch of names most of which you don't really remember,
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but that one name you do remember. Answer yeah, I
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remember the name. Yeah. Question okay, and that's somebody who
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you actually you would remember the face too. Answer I
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might remember Amy's face. Question all right, do you remember
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why she would have been on the airplane? Answer no?
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Idea question president Andres Pastrana at the time. I guess
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that was President of Columbia back in February, sorry, March
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twentieth of two thousand and three. Do you know who
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that is? Answer? I don't remember him being on the airplane,
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but I know who he is. Question Okay, he's on
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the airplane with Jeffrey Epstein, Galline Maxwell, Sarah Kellen, and
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Jean Luke Brunel. Answer where did we go? Question I'll
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let you look at it. I'm talking about this line
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PBI left out upon beach. Answer Palm Beach d NASA.
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I'm sorry, I don't remember that. One. Question when we're
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saying we're going down to NASA, is that a place
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that you frequently went with the airplane? Answer no, not
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at all. Question and is that a route that you
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would take for the ultimate destination to be Little Saint James?
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Answer no, Question if the ultimate destination was Little Saint James.
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Show me a flight where the ultimate destination was Little
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Saint James. Answer, yeah, right here, tist, that's Saint Thomas.
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Question Okay, so now that flight you just pointed out
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March twenty seventh, two thousand and three, we have Jeffrey Epstein,
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Sarah Kellen, Cindy Lopez again, and Brent Tindall. Do you
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know who Brent Tindall is? Answer yes, question and who
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is that? Answer? I believe he was the chef? Question
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and Magali Blanchin. Is that somebody you know to be
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a model these days? Answer? I have no idea. Question
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do you remember that flight? Answer? No? Question do you
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remember Naomi Campbell picking her up from Saint Thomas along
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with Jean Luke Brunel Answer I remember her being on board.
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I don't remember the flight. Question do you know Joel
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Pashcow Answer yes. Question how do you know him? Answer?
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He was on the airplane. Question and is that somebody
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you knew at one point in time to be a
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friend of Jeffrey Epstein? Answer he was on the airplane.
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I don't know what the relationship was. Question do you
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know what the relationship is? Today. Answer no idea. Question.
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How about Todd Mister, do you know what the relationship
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was or is today? Answer no question? Do you remember him?
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Answer no question, not at all? Answer, I mean I
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know the name. Question Paula Epstein? Do you know who
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that is? Answer yes, question who is that? Answer that's
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Jeffrey's mom. Question she's passed away? Answer yes, question at
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least that's your understanding, right answer that's what I've heard.
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Yes question, Okay, Tila Davis. Do you know her? Answer
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Tila Davis, I know the name? Question somebody who flew
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on the airplane with some regularity? Answer yes. Question, And
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do you know her to be a friend of Glenn
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Maxwell or Nadiam marson Kova or Jeffrey Epstein. Crittin objects
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to form Bososki, I have no idea who she was
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friends with Edwards? All right? Do you know what role
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she ever played? If she played one in Jeffrey Epstein's life?
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Answer no question? All right. How about Glenn Dubin. Are
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you familiar with him? Answer yes? Question how do you
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know Glenn Dubin? Answer I met him on the airplane.
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Question outside of the airplane, have you ever seen him
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around Jeffrey Epstein. Answer no question, all right. Answer no question.
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Elino Webber, do you know that name? Answer no question?
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She was on several flights you don't remember seeing her?
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Answer no question? All right? How about Alan Dershowitz, I'm
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sure you know who that is? Answer? Sure, he's famous.
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Question what was your understanding of Alan dershowitz relationship with
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Jeffrey Epstein? Answer you never talked about it? Question for
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a sawyer? Do you know why he was on your airplane? Answer?
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Never heard the name? Actually? Question really? Answer no question.
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Larry Summers answer I know the name, I don't remember
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flying him. Question have you ever talked to Joe Fontanella?
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Answer yes, question how do you know him? Answer? He
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usually drops Jeffrey off at the airport. Question in fact,
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you've called him directly before? Right answer yes, Question you
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still have his number? Answer I haven't. Yes, I still
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think I got it in my memory. Question Okay, what
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is it? He gives him the number, and then there
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is some back and forth between the lawyers once again.
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Critton nine one seven is the first Pasoski. Yes Critton,
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Who was this for? Reinhart? Joe, Joe Fontanella Edwards? Do
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you know his address? Answer no, I don't. Question do
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you know what his role is in Jeffrey Epstein's life?
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Answer not really. He just drove the car. Question he
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drove a car? Answer the car up in New York.
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Question okay, do you know if he's a housekeeper at
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the house up in New York? Answer? I don't know
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what his role is. Question have you ever worked for
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a company called eric Olane? Do you know that company?
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Answer yes? Question do you know what that company does?
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Answer no? Question have you ever been an employee of
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that company? Answer no? Question do you know who runs
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the company? Answer no. Question is Jeffrey Epstein associated with
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that company? Answer? I don't know. Question have you heard
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of that company? Answer it's the company name that our
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registration for the helicopter is under, erg Olane. Question is
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that somebody who's ever paid you? A company who's ever
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paid you? Answer no. Question. Do you know who Igor
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Zenoviev is? Answer yes? Question how do you know him? Answer?
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Met him on the airplane? Question what is your understanding
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of his affiliation with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer I don't know.
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He doesn't talk much. Question Okay, and Sandy Berger, do
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you know who that is? Answer, I don't know. Question
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do you know any reason why you would have them
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flown on the airplane? Answer I don't even know the name.
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Question Adriana Muchinska answer I know the name Adriana. Question
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somebody who flew on the plane pretty regularly. I would
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have to look at the logs. I think that we've
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had the name on several it's common first name. I'm
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not familiar really on who it is. Question how about Bella?
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Do you know who Bella is? Is that a name
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you've ever heard? Answer yes? Question works up in the
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New York office or something? Answer yes. Question have you
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ever spoken with Bella personally? Answer yes? Do you know
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what she does for Jeffrey Epstein? If anything? Answer, I
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don't know what her role is. Question did you tell
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me or do you know what Leslie Groff does for
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Jeffrey Epstein? Answer I don't know her exact title. Question
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you talk to all these individuals at some point in time,
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either on the phone or in person? Right answer yes.
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Question and you don't know whether they play role in
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Epstein's life or if they do what they do? Answer exactly.
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Question and how do you decide who you're going to call?
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And for what reason? Answer? For example, can you be
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more specific? Question, If you're going to make a telephone
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call and you're going to talk to let's say Leslie Groff,
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why would you choose to call her? Answer? I don't know,
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you're having me make the phone call. I don't know
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why I would call her. Question Have you called her? Answer?
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I think yes, I've called her. Sure. Question Why what
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would be the reason that you would call her? Somebody
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told you to call her here call this number? Answer?
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I may have called her, maybe to find out if
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we had a departure time for a specific trip. I
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mean that would be question. Okay, So you're calling her
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related to Jeffrey Epstein? Answer sure, question Okay, so you
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know that she plays some role in some aspect of
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Epstein's life, whatever that is? Answer right? Question? Okay. So
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when I'm asking these questions about these people, and I
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feel like I'm getting answers that I'm not really sure
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that these people have any role in their life, that's
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not completely accurate? Is it critin form argumentative? Edwards? I mean,
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you know that these people are somehow involved with them,
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whether socially or business wise or otherwise, and during the
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course of your years, you've made telephone calls on his
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behalf or to coordinate things with them. Right answer, right
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Criten objective form you said these people, Edwards, I'm talking
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about Sarah Kellen. That's somebody you called before, right answer. Sure.
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Question and what reason would you call Sarah Kellen? Critton
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objects to form? Probably the same reason he said so
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two hours ago, for scheduling purposes. But you've covered that,
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Go ahead and answer it again. The witness for scheduling
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purposes would be my only reason to call her. Edwards,
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that's funny that you use the exact same words that
23:48
mister Critton wants you to use. Criton, It's what he
23:51
said two hours ago. Edwards, What would the reason be
23:55
why you would call miss Maxwell Kallaine Maxwell? Answer the
23:58
same reason. Question that's somebody you call these days though,
24:02
right answer, I haven't seen her in some time. Question
24:05
what made you stop calling Glayne Maxwell? Where you thought
24:08
at one point in time you thought she was a
24:10
person to call related to your job? Answer? Just was
24:14
no reason to question is that somebody you think is
24:17
still affiliated or associated with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, I'd only
24:21
be speculating. I don't know, all right, folks, we're gonna
24:24
wrap up right here and in the next episode dealing
24:26
with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
24:29
All of the information that goes with this episode can
24:31
be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
24:34
welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
24:38
we're gonna pick up or he left off with the
24:40
Larry Vassoski deposition. Once again, Brad Edwards is asking the
24:45
questions and Larry Vasaski is doing the answering. Edwards, all right,
24:51
I'm going to show you two documents here or pieces
24:54
of paper, well mark them is Exhibit too and Exhibit three.
24:57
The first one's dated March fifth, two thousand and five.
25:00
Do you remember making this telephone call? And just for
25:03
the record, this looks like a message that's being taken
25:06
relatives to a phone call that you made and to
25:08
this Bruce Reinhart objects, So the question is does he
25:12
remember making that call? Edwards? Do you remember making that call?
25:18
After reading the message? Answer, let me look at the
25:21
date here, okay, March ryn Hart once again interjects the
25:25
question is do you remember making the call? Vysoski? Okay,
25:29
let me person for the car. We'll be here fifteen
25:31
minutes to drop off foam and papers. I don't know,
25:35
Brad Edwards. That doesn't mean anything to you. Answer that doesn't.
25:39
I mean you're talking four years ago. I can't answer
25:42
that accurately. I mean ryin Hart. So the answer is
25:45
you don't recall Vysofski. Yeah, I don't recall Brad Edwards.
25:51
If you don't remember, that's fine, Edwards. So I'll show
25:54
you Exhibit three, the same type of document, and I
25:57
can make the representation that this was a message pad
26:00
provided by the State Attorney's office relative to the criminal
26:03
investigation revolving around Jeffrey Epstein. So that's how I have
26:08
these documents. I'm not trying to pull out old documents.
26:11
And here Critten interjects once again, what's the date, Brad Edwards,
26:15
March nineteenth, Reinhart. The question is do you remember the
26:18
call Vysoski Tom from Midnight Express? Is that helped me
26:23
out convention center with new boat. They are two points
26:27
two parts of this Edwards question show answer, show up
26:32
the water, rein Hart on the water, Vysoski on the water,
26:37
and at the center. Brad Edwards, do you remember making
26:40
that call. Answer No, I mean Tom from Midnight Express
26:43
is at the Convention Center with new boat. There are
26:46
two parts of I mean and to that he's cut
26:49
off by Edwards. But as Jeffrey Epstein's pilot, why would
26:52
you be leaving such a message to Tom from Midnight Express.
26:55
Relative the boats and a boat show? Answer, I help
26:59
out with boat purchases or you know anything to do
27:02
with you know that moves? So I mean I to
27:06
that he's cut off by Edwards. Once again, okay, when
27:09
you say you help out with boat purchases, what do
27:11
you mean? Answer? I give my opinion whether or not
27:16
to buy a certain boat. It's just a hobby. I
27:18
have knowledge on boats, not only just airplanes. But you know, question,
27:23
you give your opinion to whom? Answer to Jeffrey question okay?
27:27
And Jeffrey obviously, at least in your mind, you believe
27:31
he wants your opinion. Answer yes, question okay. So boat
27:35
is another thing that the two of you have discussed.
27:37
Answer yes, question, all right. And so this conversation, or
27:41
at least some evidence that a conversation existed between yourself
27:45
and Jeffrey Epstein a relative to a boat or a
27:47
boat show? Answer correct? Question. Do you remember having that conversation. Answer?
27:54
We've had many conversations about boats and different boat shows.
27:58
If you're referring to this one and O five, I
28:00
don't recall this one question. Okay, So aside from being
28:04
a pilot, which throughout this entire deposition, I believe your
28:07
testimony has been you know that you're just the pilot
28:10
for him, it looks like there's some other role that
28:13
you're playing here in his life. I'm not suggesting that
28:15
you are or are not. I'm just saying, from the
28:19
appearance of this it looks that way. Is there anything
28:22
else that you want to tell me that you want
28:24
to clarify in terms of the role that you play
28:26
in Jeffrey Epstein's life outside of being just as pilot
28:30
to that Ryan hard objects let me object a form.
28:33
He also told you he installs the audio and video
28:35
equipment before mister Edward's correct. Vysoski, I have an interest
28:40
in boats, you know, with the island. I don't think
28:43
I bought any boats, you know, for the company, but
28:45
he appreciates my opinion on boat purchases. Brad Edwards. Okay,
28:50
Vysoski having the knowledge of aviation and things that move
28:54
quite fast, so I have consulted with them on boat items.
28:58
Question how many boat purchases are you aware of Jeffrey
29:01
Epstein making in the time period that you have known them?
29:04
Answer two or three. Question and he consulted with you
29:08
on each of those purchases. Answer not every one of them.
29:12
No question does he own any boats now that you're
29:15
aware of? Answer? I don't know if he owns them
29:17
or not. Question okay, do you know how many boats
29:20
that he controls or maintains? Answer himself? Or question how
29:25
about this? I'll ask you this. I don't want to
29:28
split hairs with you here. I know we've been talking
29:30
about corporations and things like that. Answer yes. Question do
29:35
you know of any boats that he is in person
29:37
with the most control over? Answer yes. Question okay, where
29:41
would those boats be located? And what kind of boats
29:44
are we talking about? Answer Saint Thomas is the location.
29:49
It would be a thirty four foot inflatable boat. I
29:52
know that one specifically. Answer okay, do you know when
29:56
he made that purchase? Answer eight years ago? Seven years ago?
30:00
It was a while ago. Question is that something you
30:03
had input on? Answer not on that one specifically. No
30:08
question Is there another boat that you know of Jeffrey
30:11
Epstein being the primary user or the primary controller of
30:14
Answer I mean there's boats in Saint Thomas. I mean
30:18
it's not part of my job. You know what goes
30:19
on with the boats or who controlled them. It's more
30:22
of an opinion of what horsepower should be on the
30:25
back of the boat hull designs. It's out of my area. Question.
30:29
But your sole responsibility or your sole obligation that you
30:33
ever had with Jeffrey Epstein relative to boats is just
30:35
giving some opinions about the boat? Answer yep question is
30:40
that a yes? Answer? Yes? Question okay, all right? Has
30:44
he ever given you his opinions about boats? Answer sure,
30:48
We've discussed it back and forth. Question Other than boat conversations,
30:52
have you ever talked other conversations such as he's interrupted
30:57
at meeting Edwards by Vesoski? Answer cars. Question okay, how
31:02
about such as have you known Jeffrey Epstein to have
31:04
a girlfriend somebody you consider a girlfriend? Answer no, in
31:09
the eighteen years and all the travels you had with them,
31:13
Do you know anything about Jeffrey Epstein's sex life? Answer no.
31:17
Question do you know who he has sex with? Answer no?
31:21
Question do you know if he has sex with anybody? Answer?
31:24
I don't know. Question do you know if he's ever
31:28
had sex on the airplane while you've been piloting? Answer
31:32
I have no idea. Question that's something that you just
31:35
wouldn't know because you're in the cockpit. Answer that's correct. Vesoski,
31:39
Could I take a two minute bathroom break just to
31:41
lose my coffee? Edward? Sure? So he comes back. All right,
31:45
we're back on the record. Over the years, you've indicated
31:48
that any gifts or other items or things given to
31:51
you by Jeffrey Epstein exclusively, or the pool heater, the
31:55
forty acre land, and the use of the company car.
31:58
Answer yes, question is that it VSASKI? Yes? Question okay?
32:04
And the flight to Miami that was recently taken other
32:07
than Jeffrey Epstein and Nadia Marsenkova, was there anybody else
32:11
on that flight? Answer no? Question how long did you
32:15
fly them back from Miami to Palm Beach? Answer no,
32:18
he drove back. Question when you say he drove back,
32:21
who drove back? Answer well, I assume he drove back.
32:24
I didn't fly him back. Question when's the next time
32:27
you saw him again? Answer? I would only be guessing
32:30
a week later. I mean question, okay, and that was
32:34
in the pom Beach County when you saw him the
32:36
next time? Answer yes, sir. Question do you know of
32:39
him leaving pom Beach County in the last two years
32:42
on any other occasions? Answer no. Question did he ever
32:47
fly anywhere with you, either by helicopter or airplane in
32:50
the last two years? Answer we flew one time to
32:54
the Sikorski plant. Question what's the Sikorski plant? Answer that's
32:59
where they build the course key helicopters. It's in Palm
33:01
Beach County. Question and one was that answer probably a
33:05
month ago, I'm guessing. Question for what purpose Vysoski they
33:10
gave us a tour of the facility? Question who's they answer? Sikorski?
33:15
Question and who requested the tour of the facility? Answer
33:19
they offered it to our flight department. Question and who
33:22
went Answer Jeffrey, myself, Nadia an Igor. Question And if
33:27
I want the documentation of either of those trips, the
33:30
trip to Miami or the trip to the Skorski plant,
33:33
who would have that documentation Vasoski answers? I would question
33:38
so I could request it from your attorney and get
33:40
it from you. Rein Hart interjects, let me just check
33:43
they go off the record. Rein Hart, Okay, he's in
33:46
custody of it, but there are corporate documents, so you'd
33:49
have to request it from mister Critten, who I understand
33:52
represents all the corporations. VASASKI, Yes, Edwards, what's the corporation
33:59
that the document was prepared for? Answer by Vesoski meaning
34:03
who what like Ericalane the owner of the helicopter? Yes,
34:06
Eric Olaane? Question Eric Olane? Answer, that's the helicopter. Question
34:11
and the name Golaine is obviously not that typical of
34:13
a name. Is that reference or related to Glaane? Maxwell answer?
34:18
I would assume I have no knowledge. Question nobody's ever
34:22
told you that? Answer, nobody's brought it up. Question okay,
34:26
and how long were you at the sekors Ki facility?
34:29
Answer three hours? Four hours? Question and what time of
34:33
day was this? Answered nine in the morning, nine I think,
34:36
and we returned at one something like that. Question And
34:40
what was the purpose to buy or purchase anything? Answer?
34:44
They have a new helicopter being developed there, so they're
34:46
trying to look for investors in it, so they're just
34:49
kind of pushing their product. Question do you know what
34:53
Jeffrey Epstein does for a living for business today these days?
34:56
Answer no. Question do you know or have you ever
35:00
been to the Florida Science Foundation? Answer yes, sir, question
35:05
and do you know what the Florida Science Foundation does?
35:07
Answer not exactly. Question well generally, answer no, I don't.
35:12
I mean, really I don't. Question Okay, is it you're
35:16
understanding that Jeffrey Epstein is somehow affiliated with the Florida
35:19
Science Foundation. Answer it's my understanding that yes. Question I mean,
35:24
did you just happenstance stumble into the Florida Science Foundation
35:28
or was it related to your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein?
35:31
Answer I've heard that's where his office was. I mean,
35:34
I have no other question. Why did you go there?
35:38
Answer to talk about planes? Question talk to who? Answer Jeffrey?
35:44
Question Jeffrey just happened to be at the Florida Science Foundation.
35:48
Answer yes, question how do you know he was going
35:50
to be at the Florida Science Foundation? Answer he called
35:53
me and told me. Question and he said, come to
35:56
the Florida Science Foundation to talk to me about what.
36:00
Answer maintenance on the airplane's upcoming, it's an ongoing situation.
36:05
Question and did he have an officer? Answer yes. Question,
36:09
so this is when you walked in. This is the
36:12
place right next to Jack Goldberger's office. Criten Form Bysoski, Yes, Edwards,
36:19
and you walk in and there's a reception desk right
36:21
there right. Answer yes. Question is that where you talked
36:26
or did you talk somewhere behind the reception desk? Answer
36:30
behind the reception area question back in his office? Answer yes, sir.
36:35
Question what was the conversation? Answer? Give me a timeframe.
36:39
I mean, I've been there several times. Question Okay, how
36:42
many times do you think you've been to the Florida
36:44
Science Foundation? Answer twenty thirty? I mean question, well, the
36:49
Florida Science Foundation only been around since late two thousand
36:52
and seven, is that right, criten Form Edwards something around there?
36:58
Answer I don't know exactly. Question all right, so in
37:01
the last twenty years, in the last couple of years,
37:03
you've been there twenty or thirty times approximately? Answer yes, sir.
37:08
Question And during those times when you've been there without
37:11
having to go through each conversation, did you ever talk
37:14
to him about the fact that he was on probation?
37:16
Answer no, question any part of the criminal investigation. Answer, no,
37:21
not at all. All right, folks, we're going to wrap
37:23
up right here and in the next episode dealing with
37:25
the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
37:28
All of the information that goes with this episode can
37:31
be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
37:34
welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
37:38
we're picking up where we left off with the Larry
37:40
Vasoski deposition once again, Brad Edwards asking the questions and
37:45
Larry Vasaski doing the answering. Question what was the purpose
37:50
of the conversation? Answer? We were sometimes talking about TVs,
37:54
you know, the latest plasma that's out there, LCD, you know,
37:57
setting up a stereo system in the Palm Beach house.
38:00
That's usually the main thrust of our conversations these days.
38:04
Question how would you know to go to Florida Science
38:07
Foundation on each of those occasions? Would he just call you? Answer? Yeah,
38:11
he would call me and say come on buy or
38:13
I got a brochure on a new Samsung. Question with
38:17
each time you were at Florida Science Foundation, how long
38:20
would you stay? Typically answer ten fifteen minutes, not much
38:24
more than that. Question, you would go there for ten
38:27
or fifteen minutes, have a conversation about a TV and
38:29
leave answer yes, sir. Question why wouldn't you have that
38:33
conversation over the phone? What was it about? And to
38:36
that Kriten objects form Vososki, it was pertaining to a TV,
38:41
and I'd have a brochure a picture of the TV.
38:44
One particular TV we looked at. It was the size
38:47
of like a five foot diagonal. So I had a
38:50
photo myself standing next to the salesperson. So I mean
38:55
there's a reason to visually show him something that references that. Edwards,
39:00
did you ever communicate with Jeffrey Epstein? You can send
39:03
him email? Right, You could have done that answer yes,
39:06
question to send him the picture or something like that.
39:09
That was an option answer right. Question. And what's Jeffrey
39:13
Epstein's email address that you use? Answer? I have it
39:16
on my computer. You know, I have the type in
39:18
that prompts for it because it's a long email address.
39:21
Question how long have you had email correspondence with Jeffrey Epstein?
39:26
Answer probably two years a year to two years. I
39:30
mean it's fairly something we just started doing. I mean,
39:33
we'd never done that in the past. Question, Well, in
39:36
the past he was in jail or have some restrictions?
39:39
Answer the restrictions yes. Question, so you'd see him on
39:43
the airplane frequently? Answer exactly. Question So when you didn't
39:47
see him on the airplane frequently? Then some of your
39:50
correspondents was by email, other times by telephone answer yes,
39:55
question and other times in person. Answer yes. Question And
40:00
what was your email? What was the substance of the
40:02
email correspondence that you would have with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer
40:06
it would have to be related. I mean you have
40:08
to give me a topic. I mean, whether it be
40:10
a car question never about criminal investigations? Answer oh no, no, never.
40:16
Question do you know what his intention or his plans
40:20
are for his probation? Answer no idea question or off
40:24
community control? Answer I have no idea. Question. Has he
40:28
ever indicated to you that he wants to fly to
40:31
some other location out of the United States to live permanently?
40:34
Answer no. Question Have you ever flown to his place
40:38
in Paris? Answer we've landed in Paris. Question you're aware
40:43
that he has some control over another piece of property
40:46
over there? Answer I know, I've picked up luggage out
40:48
of residence. I don't know to what extent his ownership
40:51
is if any question? All right? Question and are you
40:55
aware that he had some employees that listen to what
40:58
he says that work in that house? Criten form Vesoski
41:03
in Paris? Yes, there is one person there, Edwards. What's
41:07
his name? Answer volts In? Because I always thought that
41:11
there was nobody there. Question volts In called ron. Answer
41:15
I don't know exactly. I would have to look it up.
41:18
Question have you talked to them before? Answer? No? Question
41:22
when you've been to Paris? Answer you're not going to
41:24
ask why? Question while I'm assuming it doesn't speak English?
41:28
Answer there you go? Okay. Question So I thought there
41:32
was no need for that answer Okay. I just wanted
41:34
to see. Question where do you stay when Jeffrey Epstein's
41:37
in Paris? Answer a hotel? Question? Okay? In New Mexico
41:42
when you land there, you stay in the ranch somewhere,
41:44
but at your place? Answer, I stay at my place. Question?
41:48
And in New York you have an apartment that he
41:50
sets you up at right the three oh one? Answer? Yes,
41:53
I have a place I could stay. Question and Saint
41:56
Thomas answer hotel question and in Paris you stay at
42:00
a home. Yes, question, are there other properties such as
42:05
the one we're talking about today. I'm not saying Jeffrey
42:08
Epstein is the sole owner or direct owner, but any
42:11
other properties that you're familiar with that Jeffrey Epstein is
42:14
has direct access to and at least it gives the
42:17
appearance to you that he is the owner or controller
42:20
of that property. Mister Critten, form Vesoski. Name the list
42:26
that you've stated, Edwards. The Manhattan House answer yes, question,
42:32
mansion or whatever you want to call it, the Zoro Ranch,
42:35
the Island of Saint James, the Pon Beach House answer yes, question.
42:39
The Paris Place answer that's all I'm aware of. Question.
42:44
And have you ever at any of those five places
42:46
hung around him or stayed around him for during the daytime,
42:50
for the course of an entire day? Answer no question.
42:53
All right, So do you know what he does during
42:56
his days while he's there? Answer no question. Are you
43:00
aware of a list of underage girls that is kept
43:02
to come over and service them each one of those days?
43:06
Criten objects to form Vesoski. Absolutely not, Brad Edwards. I'm
43:11
the first person to ever imply that to you. Right,
43:14
answer a list, Yes you are? Question Okay? Have you
43:18
ever been made aware that Sarah Kellen keeps a list
43:20
of underage girls to service Jeffrey Epstein for sexual purposes? Answer?
43:25
I am not aware of them, Critten, Formed to the
43:28
last question by mister Edwards. Have you ever been made
43:32
aware that Glenn Maxwell keeps a list of girls in
43:34
the nearby areas of each of Jeffrey Epstein's residences to
43:38
service him sexually? Answer no, Kritten objects again to form
43:43
Brad Edwards. Okay, have you ever read some of the
43:46
complaints that have been filed against them in the various courts,
43:49
whether state court or federal court against Jeffrey Epstein? Question?
43:54
All right, so this Jane Doe one h two versus
43:56
Jeffrey Epstein, you're not familiar with who that person is?
44:00
Answer no? Idea question Okay, I'm going to mark Jane
44:04
Doe one of the twenty two versus Epstein as exhibit
44:07
number four to this deposition plaintive. Exhibit number four was
44:11
marked for identification question and ask you about some of
44:17
the allegations in here and see if you know anything
44:19
about them. It indicates he owns a light aircraft that
44:22
includes a golf stream, a helicopter and a Boeing seven
44:25
to twenty seven? Is that true? Mister Critten? What's the
44:28
question the witness? Please repeat? Edwards, are you aware of
44:32
him owning a golf Stream four aircraft, a helicopter and
44:35
a Boeing seven twenty seven? I think we talked about
44:38
that right answer right question? Okay, and it indicates a
44:42
fleetomotor vehicles. Critten? Wait a minute, he said right? Is
44:46
that we talked about it as distinct from him knowing
44:49
one way or the other. Vesoski, what's the question, Edwards?
44:53
Do you know that he owns those things? Answer? I
44:57
do not know that he owns them? Question do you
44:59
believe give that he owns those things? Criten once again
45:02
objects to form. Vasoski would be guessing. So, Edwards, what
45:08
does the company any SLLC? Due to your knowledge? Answer?
45:11
I have no idea? Question? How does that company generate profit?
45:14
If you know? Answer I have no idea. Question. That's
45:18
the company that pays your paycheck, but you absolutely have
45:21
no clue what they do to generate money? Answer no, sir,
45:25
question if anything? Answer correct? Question? Have you ever heard
45:29
that the company generates money through sex trafficking of young girls?
45:33
Criten objects to form Vasoski, Absolutely not. Question never. Okay,
45:39
have you ever heard that Jeffrey Epstein has a sexual
45:41
preference for underage girls other than what you've read in
45:44
the newspaper. Have you heard that from any other individual before?
45:48
Answer no. Question ever heard that he had sex or
45:52
sexual relationships with many minor girls, some is young as
45:55
twelve years old critten objects to form no edwards never
46:02
answer never. Question have you ever seen any photographs in
46:07
any of his homes depicting young looking girls engaging in
46:10
sex acts? Answer no question or, reading directly from the complaint,
46:15
engaged in loot sex acts? Answer absolutely not. Question have
46:20
you looked around the walls of his various homes when
46:22
you're in there picking up luggage? Answer I mean not
46:25
any more than when I walked in here and not
46:27
looking at the walls over there. I couldn't tell you
46:30
what those are, So nothing specific. Question Sometimes we're talking
46:34
about a fifty thousand square foot house. Answer exactly. Question
46:38
in Manhattan. Answer it's pretty big question. Okay. Have you
46:42
ever looked at any of his computers for any reason?
46:45
Answer no. I know that you helped set up some
46:47
of the computers. Answer computers are not my expertise question,
46:51
all right, have you ever been told that mister Epstein
46:54
committed sex acts against underage girls on a literal daily basis,
46:58
that's what he does? Answer? I've never been told that question.
47:02
Have you ever read the complaints against him that indicate
47:05
that's what he does on a daily basis? Mister Critten
47:09
once again objects form Vysoski, No Edwards, So in your
47:14
mind you never believe that you are transporting around somebody
47:17
whose sole goal in life was to get to have
47:20
sex with little girls. Critten form Vesoski, I never believe that,
47:25
No Edwards. Okay, have you ever been told that he
47:29
conspired with others, including assistants and or his drivers and
47:32
or pilots and his friend Gleainne Maxwell, to further these
47:36
sex acts and avoid police detection? Criten form Edwards. Have
47:41
you ever has anybody ever questioned you about that? Rein
47:46
Hart objects hold on? The question is have you ever
47:48
been told the fact that he just told to you? Edwards? Right, Vysoski,
47:54
I have never been told that fact. Edwards, has anybody
47:57
ever questioned you about your possible involvement and helping facilitate
48:01
mister Epstein to have sex with underage girls. Answer no.
48:05
Question when you were questioned by either the police or
48:08
whoever the investigative resource was that was being used at
48:11
the time, answer right. Question Do you remember who that
48:15
person was that was questioning you? Answer no, I don't remember. Question.
48:19
I know you don't remember the location where it was,
48:22
But do you remember who they were affiliated with? Answer no? Question?
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Was it only one time? Answer yes? Question did you
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also have to testify before a grand jury proceeding? Answer no,
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I did not. Question have you ever known mister Epstein
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to get a massage while on the airplane? Attorney, this
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is everybody in boone Charles, and the witness is here,
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and the court reporter and the videographer. That's somebody calling in.
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Edward's fantastic, But I think that you may have the
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wrong room, Attorney. I was told to ask for a
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fifty six Edwards. Let's go off the record so they
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get that square away, then they get back on the record.
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Question all right, in the complaint, I'm going to tell
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you what it alleges, and I'm going to ask you
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if this helps you refresh your recollection about any of
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Jeffrey Epstein's activities. The defendant Jeffrey Epstein transported the plaintiff
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to another state in order to engage in sex acts
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with her, and this occurred when she was merely fifteen
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years old. Do you remember transporting somebody that looked like
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this or looked like they were fifteen years old on
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your airplane? Answer no, sir, question you never remember taking
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a fifteen year old girl or somebody that looks around
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that approximate age on your airplane. Answer can you be
49:37
more specific? Answer? Well, I know you've indicated earlier in
49:40
the deposition that you remember some girls under the age
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of eighteen on the airplane. And so let me ask
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before I get back into this, whether all those individuals
49:49
who were talking about were accompanied by a parent, or
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some of the people were on the airplane for some
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other purpose, modeling, or you don't know why they were there.
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I'm going to let you alon on who these people
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are that they believe might have been under the age
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of eighteen and why you think they were on the airplane.
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Critin objects form Vysoski, we've had younger people on the
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airplane that have been, you know, with their family members.
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Like you said, I don't remember transporting anybody that was
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of questionable age. I'm not. I mean, I'm only guessing
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at somebody's age. I didn't id them at the foot
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of the airplane, so I can't guess their age. Edwards,
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all right, mister Epstein used his private jet to transport
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minor plaintiffs to Manhattan, where he provided her spending money
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and accommodations with him at his mansion. Do you have
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any idea who that might be? Critten? Objects to the
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form Vesoski, No, sir, Edwards, And you don't remember being
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a pilot of an airplane where he was transporting a
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fifteen year old to Manhattan from Miami or Palm Beach.
50:51
Answer no, I'd be guessing at somebody's age, and I
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can't guess. Question defended transported plaintiff in his private jet
50:58
to locations that included Palm Beach, New York, Santa Fe,
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Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Saint Louis. Do you ever
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remember piloting his airplane to those destinations? You just remembered?
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Rein Hart objects and says, can we break them down?
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Objection compound? Edwards, Okay, have you ever flown his airplane
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to Palm Beach? Answer yes, sir, Question Have you ever
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flown to New York City? Answer yes, sir. Question to
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Santa Fe, Yes to Los Angeles, Yes, to San Francisco,
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Yes to Saint Louis Yes question all right. Continuing to
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international destinations, including Europe, have you ever flown to Europe?
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Answer yes, question the Caribbean answer yes, question in Africa
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answer yes. Question on those flights to those various places,
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is it your to the best of your knowledge, you
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were unaware of Jeffrey Epstein engaging in sex with underage
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girls on his airplane. Mister Critten objects to form Vesoski,
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I have no knowledge of any of that question. He
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provided accommodations with him in order to have her available
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to him at all times whenever he wanted, including while
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transporting the minor plaintiff on his private jet. That's something
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that you have no knowledge of. Answer no question. Each
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time they would travel to one of these destinations, the
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same pattern of sexual abuse would occur, often with a
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vast array of aspiring models, actresses, celebrities, and other females,
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including miners, from all over the world. Again, that's something
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you have no personal knowledge of. Answer no question. Has
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anybody ever indicated that if you did have personal knowledge
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of some of these things, then you could have been
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implicated in some form of a crime. Has any law
52:45
enforcement or anybody indicated that to you? Answer no, question okay,
52:50
is that something you ever worried about? Answer no? All right, folks,
52:55
who are going to wrap up right here and in
52:57
the next episode dealing with the topic, We're going to
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pick up where we left off. All of the information
53:02
that goes with this topic can be found in the
53:05
description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode
53:09
of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right
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back to the Larry Vassoski deposition that he gave in
53:16
two thousand and nine. Brad Edwards is asking the questions
53:20
and Vasaski is doing the answering. Question all right, upon
53:26
information and belief ever flown to or from in a
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Jeffrey Epstein airplane? Answer, we have flown to Prague. Question okay,
53:34
have you picked people up in Prague and flown out
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of Prague? Answer? I don't remember. Question I'm not saying no,
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you didn't, but answer best of my knowledge, question you
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don't remember? Answer exactly, best of my knowledge, I don't remember.
53:49
Question do you remember the reason for going to Turkey
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or to Prague. Answer no question. This also says Asia.
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Have you ever flown from or to Asia with Jeffrey
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Epstein Answer yes question or on a Jeffrey Epstein airplane?
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Answer yes question. Do you know the purpose of those
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flights to and from Asia? Answer no question? Did it
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ever occur to you that maybe it was to pick
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up minor girls for him to have sex with in
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the back of the plane. To that Critten objects form
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VASASKI never occurred to me question by Edwards. Did you
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ever hear that he maintained some of these underage girls
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as sex slaves? Answer? Never heard of such a thing.
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Question From the age of twelve through the age of sixteen?
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Critton once again objects form Vesoski. No knowledge of that.
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Brad Edwards ever picked up girls that looked young, many
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of whom spoke no English. Do you ever remember that?
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Answer zero? Do not question? All right. The complaint goes
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on to say plaintiff was required to be sexually exploited
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by defendant's adult mel peers, including Royalty. So I'm going
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to talk. Are you familiar with Prince Andrew? Answer? I
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know who he is. Question do you remember him on
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the airplane with young girls. Answer no, I do not.
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Question do you remember Jeffrey Epstein flying in to meet
55:11
with Prince Andrew? Answer I don't remember. I know that happened,
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but I couldn't be accurate. Question has Prince Andrew ever
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been on the airplane at the same time as a
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young girl to the best of your memory and knowledge?
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Answer to the best of my knowledge. No. Question. This
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also says politicians talking about local or US politicians. Do
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you remember certain politicians being on the airplane? Answer no,
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I mean yes, I do. Question what politicians would that be?
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Answer President Clinton? Question okay, who else? Answer former President
55:45
of Israel? Helped me out with the name here Barack?
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Question Edhwood Barock. Answer yes, those are the two I remember.
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Question how many times was Edward Barock on the airplane
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that you piloted for mister Epstein? Answer maybe once? Question
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and where did that flight pick up and where did
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it go? To the best of your memory? Answer to
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the best of my memory, it was Palm Beach to
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Teterborough answer in New Jersey. Question yeah, and that was
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the purpose of the flight? Do you know? Answer I
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don't know. Question was Jeffrey Epstein on the flight Bysoski.
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I'd have to look at the flight logs to guarantee.
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Question anything about that flight that sticks out in your mind?
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Answer nothing? Question such as a fine needing to be
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paid because it left after ten pm? Answer for that
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was the flight? Yes, question you remember that? Answer it's
56:39
coming back to me. Question and do you remember young
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girls being on that flight? Answer no? Question all right,
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answer I remember the fine? Question do you remember who
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paid the fine? To this crit and objects? Hold on,
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let me object the form of the question. Do you
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remember it suggests that there were so form predicate question
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Do you remember who else was on that flight that
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left after ten pm? Answer no, I do not. Question
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do you remember why it left after ten pm? Answer no,
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I do not. Question do you remember Jeffrey Epstein instructing
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you to wait until after ten pm to leave? Answer
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no question Would you have listened to him if he
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had told you? If he had instructed you to do that?
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Answer I don't understand the question. Question well, if he
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told you to wait until after ten pm, I realized
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there is going to be a fine, but wait until
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after ten pm to leave? Intentionally leaving after ten pm?
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Do you remember that instruction? Answer no, I don't remember
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that instruction. Question Okay, answer, I mean it just happened
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to be departing after ten and there is a penalty
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for leaving after ten for noise, so there was no
57:48
intention question all right. This also talks about this particular
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person fifteen years old being sexually exploited by a businessman
57:57
and or other professional or personal acquaintances. Are you aware
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of other personal or professional acquaintances of Jeffrey Epstein also
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sexually abusing or exploiting little kids or underage girls on
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your airplane to that critten objects again form Vysoski. No, Edwards,
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if you had been aware that mister Epstein was and
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by this this is more in the form of a
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hypothetical and that I'm not going to suggest to you
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it's a fact that he was. But if you had
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been aware that every single day Epstein's goal was to
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locate underage girls for the purpose of sex and either
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have sex with them on the airplane or at some
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other designation that was your destination that you were traveling
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him too, would you have continued to pilot those planes
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criten form Vysoski. You said it was hypothetical, Edwards, right,
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it's hypothetical answer. Why would I want to answer that
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because you're being hypothetical, I mean, it would obviously be
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wrong question. Sure, well, a hypothetical question is a legal
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question that I'm allowed to ask answer, Okay, And I'm
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just asking you if you have knowledge that Jeffrey Epstein
59:05
was having sex with little girls, either on the plane
59:08
or at a place that you were taking him to
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or from on a daily basis, that's what he did,
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would you have continued to be his pilot? To that,
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Critin once again objects object to the form. It's argumentative.
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It has no more value than assuming he was chopping
59:24
up bodies or anybody who was chopping up bodies in
59:26
the plane you're flying. What difference does it make? Form?
59:30
And to that, Bret Edwards responds, what difference does it
59:33
make in a case about him having sex with little girls?
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I'm not going to argue with you about it. You've
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stated your objection, Critten, exactly. It's an argumentative question, Edwards,
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I'm not going to argue with you about it. Critin,
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you're arguing with him about it now, Edwards, No, I'm
59:49
asking him hypothetical. Edwards, can you answer that? Would you
59:54
have continued to be a pilot for someone who's traveling
59:57
to and from destinations with the goal of having se
1:00:00
with underage girls. Criten once again objects form Vysoski. It
1:00:05
could be any person. It doesn't have to be Jeffrey Epstein.
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Then right question true answer No, I wouldn't pilot an
1:00:12
aeroplane if there was wrongdoing going on. Question that you
1:00:16
knew about? Answer that I knew about? Sure, Question me
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reading this complaint to you, Is this the first time
1:00:22
that you've heard these allegations? Answer yes, question against Epstein?
1:00:26
Answer yes. Question It goes on to say, on one
1:00:30
of Epstein's birthday, a friend of Epstein sent them three
1:00:33
twelve year old girls from France who spoke no English
1:00:36
for the purpose of defendants actually exploiting them and abuse.
1:00:40
After doing so, they were sent back to France the
1:00:42
next day. Are you familiar with that occasion? To that,
1:00:46
Criten once again objects form Vysoski responds, never heard of
1:00:50
such a thing. Question Do you know of any friends
1:00:53
that he has in France that would send him birthday
1:00:55
a birthday present? Answer no. Question do you know of
1:00:59
him receiving any birthday gifts or birthday people from anyone.
1:01:03
Answer never question this particular person that filed his complaint,
1:01:07
Jane do one oh two indicates defendant and Glenn Maxwell
1:01:11
acknowledged and celebrated Plaintiff's sixteenth birthday. Do you remember them
1:01:15
celebrating someone who flew on the plane for their sixteenth birthday?
1:01:19
I don't recall question any of this. Jog your memory
1:01:22
as to who Virginia Roberts is. Answer no question. From
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the age of fifteen of plaintiff, this Jane do two
1:01:30
was sectually exploited and abused by defendant on a daily basis,
1:01:34
and often multiple times each day. So going back, was
1:01:38
there ever a day where you were with Jeffrey Epstein
1:01:41
where you could have observed them and Virginia Roberts during
1:01:44
the entire trip? Mister Critten objects to form Bososki. I
1:01:49
don't remember Virginia Roberts, though I couldn't answer the question.
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Brad Edwards. In September of two thousand and two, defended
1:01:56
Epstein purchased a commercial round trip airline ticket at a passport,
1:02:01
US currency and accommodations for plaintiff to fly to Thailand.
1:02:04
Do you remember him doing that for anybody around that
1:02:06
time period? Answer? No, sir Critton. What was the date
1:02:11
to that? Edwards respond, September two thousand and two. Critten, Okay,
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thanks Edwards. I have here, and this is the actual,
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my only copy, so I don't mind marking it as
1:02:22
a composite exhibit. But we'll either have to copy this
1:02:25
whole thing or we'll have an agreement of council. It's
1:02:29
the visitor inmate log from when mister Epstein was in
1:02:32
jail in Palm Beach. Mister Critten, well, before we get started.
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It's now one point fifteen. We started at ten, Brad Edwards.
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We didn't really start at ten, Critton shortly thereafter. I
1:02:44
was here pretty much after ten, but we've been here
1:02:47
since ten. I want to take a lunch break, Brad Edwards. Okay,
1:02:51
let's do it, Critten for an hour? Edward sure. So
1:02:54
they have their lunch break, then they come back. Question
1:02:57
all right. I look through the inmate log of the
1:02:58
visitors who visited Jeffrey Epstein and your name appears one, two, three, four, five, six,
1:03:04
seven eight times. Answer Okay. Questions seem to be accurate
1:03:08
in terms of how many times you went to visit them.
1:03:11
Answer I thought six, but yeah, that's accurate. Question. I'll
1:03:15
let you review the records and tell me if you
1:03:17
dispute any of that record, and then I'll go ahead
1:03:20
and mark that as a composite Exhibit five. Rein Hart,
1:03:23
It's two pages, Edward's two pages. Rein Hart okay, Edwards.
1:03:29
Question seem accurate? Answer yes, question okay. Jeffrey Epstein's plea
1:03:35
I believe was June thirtieth, two thousand and eight. I
1:03:37
think that's when he was taken in custody from there.
1:03:40
Your first visit is July third, two thousand and eight,
1:03:43
and the other name on that visit is Igor Zenoviev.
1:03:47
Did you go with Igor to visit Jeffrey? Answer? Yes?
1:03:50
Question why did you go with Igor? Answer? It just happened.
1:03:54
You wanted to see us both at the same time.
1:03:56
There was no apparent reason. Question how did you know
1:03:59
that Jeffrey wanted to see you? Answer? I don't recall
1:04:02
who called me and told me that he wanted to
1:04:04
see me. I couldn't give you an accurate name whether
1:04:07
it was you know, his attorney, Darren, and actually I
1:04:09
would put a lot of weight to think it was
1:04:11
Darren his attorney. Question that would have made a phone
1:04:15
call to you that he said. Answer, yeah, to go.
1:04:18
Question and what did you talk about with Jeffrey Epstein
1:04:21
four days after he played guilty to offenses that landed
1:04:24
him in jail. Answer. I think the first visit was
1:04:28
how disappointed or how scared he was, you know, being
1:04:31
inside there, and we just talked about general happenings to
1:04:34
go on in there. Question what did he say? Answer,
1:04:39
it's terrible, it's cold, he can't sleep. They wake him
1:04:41
up every two hours, you know, just items like that,
1:04:44
uncomfortable things. We talked about. The airplanes a great deal.
1:04:47
You know, we got major maintenance on the big airplane,
1:04:50
so we discussed that a little bit, and then it
1:04:52
was really just how uncomfortable he was in there. Question
1:04:56
how long did you visit him on that first visit
1:04:58
July third? I think we stayed the full hour? Question
1:05:02
all right, is that what the time allotment was? Answer?
1:05:05
I believe it is. Yeah. I don't think you could
1:05:07
leave early, or I'm not aware that you could leave early.
1:05:09
Until later on we found out you could stay four
1:05:12
or five minutes or longer. But I don't think any
1:05:14
of us knew that once we got in there, you
1:05:17
stayed there for the hour. Question Okay, so you talked
1:05:20
to him for an hour and for the most part
1:05:22
it was just about the conditions and his disappointment with
1:05:25
the conditions. Answer sure, yeah, absolutely. Question and did Igor
1:05:30
talk to him as well? Answer briefly, I mean not
1:05:34
that much. You're going back a little ways again to
1:05:36
remember exactly what was discussed. You know, he asked him
1:05:40
how his family was doing. I guess Igor has got
1:05:42
a son. I think he asked how his son was doing,
1:05:45
you know, just general questions like that. Question did you
1:05:49
ride to the jail that day with Igor? Answer? I
1:05:51
believe we did. I believe I met Igor probably at
1:05:54
Jeffrey's house and picked him up, or if not, we
1:05:58
may have met at the airport and drove together. But
1:06:00
we did drive together on that occasion. Question in what
1:06:03
vehicle did you drive? Answer the Hummer Question that's the
1:06:07
vehicle you described earlier as the company vehicle. Answer yes, sir.
1:06:11
Question is that a vehicle paid for by Jeffrey Epstein?
1:06:15
Answer meaning question, well, is it a vehicle paid for
1:06:18
by you? Answer? What do you mean paid for? Question?
1:06:21
Did you purchase the vehicle with your money? Answer? I
1:06:24
didn't purchase that one, no question, do you know if
1:06:28
it was purchased by Jeffrey Epstein or a corporation of
1:06:31
Jeffrey Epstein's answer, probably a corporation. And to that once again,
1:06:36
critten objects form move to strike. Sounds like a guess.
1:06:41
All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here,
1:06:43
and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're
1:06:45
gonna pick up where we left off. All of the
1:06:48
information that goes with this episode can be found in
1:06:51
the description box.