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Huddle Up | Building a Physical Identity Through the Draft · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up. Jaguar Senior writer John Osher, NFL
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  Speaker 1: Network analyst and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and senior reporter J. P.
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  Speaker 1: Shaderick bring you the latest on your Jacksonville Jaguars. Huddle
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  Speaker 1: up starts right now.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome int huddle up with Bucky Brooks. I'm kind of
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  Speaker 2: on a season for JP Shaddick this week, John Osier
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  Speaker 2: with us. We are at the Miller Electric Center here
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  Speaker 2: in Jacksonville, Bucky Brooks in LA. And it was your Christmas.
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  Speaker 3: Over the weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Bucky, the draft finally has come and gone.
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  Speaker 3: How did it go for you?
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  Speaker 4: I'm so sad it's all over. I mean, John knows
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  Speaker 4: that I just love this time of year.
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  Speaker 3: It's December twenty sixth for Bucky, Like he's sad.
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  Speaker 2: He's holding it together well though I got the Vikey one,
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  Speaker 2: but he still said, it's.
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  Speaker 5: The beginning of the holiday season, like this kicks it off.
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  Speaker 5: Then we got OTA's and mini camps and training camp,
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  Speaker 5: all of the things that I absolutely love.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm excited. I'm like a pig and Slot.
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  Speaker 3: Me too, Buck, me too. All Right, we have to
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  Speaker 3: do this, we have to do it. I know you're
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  Speaker 3: the host. I'm gonna step on toes.
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  Speaker 6: I'm gonna read a text that I sent Bucky at
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  Speaker 6: ten twenty Sunday, so seven to twenty his time, Buck,
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  Speaker 6: I'm trying to catch up. Is this consensus one fiftieth thing, Bucky?
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  Speaker 6: A group of draft analysts created a consensus draft board
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  Speaker 6: and are suggesting teams compare their draft boards to it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: the best part is well, John responds, Okay, that's one
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  Speaker 6: of the stupidest things I've ever.
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  Speaker 3: Heard, ballad, Bucky.
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  Speaker 2: I need your point of view because you've been a scout,
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  Speaker 2: so you've been on the inside.
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  Speaker 3: You are an analyst.
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  Speaker 2: Now, where is the crossover here?
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  Speaker 3: What's going on? Why is everybody so angry?
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  Speaker 5: I think people have taken bits and pieces of information
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  Speaker 5: that has been shared about how teams will use my
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  Speaker 5: drafts from selected writers, selected insiders to give them a
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  Speaker 5: general sense of where things may go. But it extends
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  Speaker 5: beyond the writers. Like general managers talk to other general managers.
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  Speaker 5: People get a general feel. Scouts talk to their buddies,
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  Speaker 5: and we can have a general idea on where players
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  Speaker 5: are going to go. And a general manager's job is
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  Speaker 5: to make sure I have a clear understanding of how
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  Speaker 5: we could play out.
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  Speaker 4: I'm prepared to make moves based on how.
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  Speaker 5: I'm hearing that things can play out, but I still
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  Speaker 5: make decisions based on how we the Jaguars have graded
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  Speaker 5: the prospects, because the only team that we really care
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  Speaker 5: about are us and how they're gonna play for us,
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  Speaker 5: nothing else. And so there is a consensus or there
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  Speaker 5: is kind of a feel that a general manager has
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  Speaker 5: for like, hey, this is the class, these are where
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  Speaker 5: these players are going. Here are the anticipated runs that
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  Speaker 5: could happen in certain positions. But it's not a let's
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  Speaker 5: go look at all of these things in the media world,
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  Speaker 5: make sure that our board aligns with their board, because
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  Speaker 5: at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter
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  Speaker 5: whether they're picked. The most important thing is how they
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  Speaker 5: play and how they play for us, and that's what
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  Speaker 5: we have to get to and at the end of
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  Speaker 5: three years we can look back and make a determinational
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  Speaker 5: whether we got it right.
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  Speaker 4: Whether we got it wrong. But to do it on
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  Speaker 4: draft day it's kind of crazy.
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  Speaker 6: It's not kind of crazy, it's borderline dumb. And I'm
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  Speaker 6: not saying that the draft is not important. It's very,
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  Speaker 6: very important, but to think that you're going to be
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  Speaker 6: able to look at a draft and grade it on
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  Speaker 6: the day that it happens. All you have to do
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  Speaker 6: the history is there, like go back and look at
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  Speaker 6: how other drafts have been graded. It means nothing, And
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  Speaker 6: I don't think it's insignificant. I guess the Rams got
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  Speaker 6: a little criticized this year. The forty nine ers got
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  Speaker 6: a little criticized this year. John Schneider is still GMing
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  Speaker 6: in Seattle. He may have had the most criticized draft
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  Speaker 6: in history that included Russell Wilson, and it was the
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  Speaker 6: draft that built that team's core to the Super And
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  Speaker 6: I'm not saying an F doesn't automatically mean that you're
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  Speaker 6: going to go to Super Bowl, but point being clearly,
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  Speaker 6: these teams are not operating within the you know, consensus
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  Speaker 6: of what this world thinks they should look. I love
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  Speaker 6: thirteen and four last year for the Jags. I'll take
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  Speaker 6: the Rams and the Niners and the Seahawks run over
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  Speaker 6: the last ten years. Give me that tomorrow for any
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  Speaker 6: three of those teams, and I'll take it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's.
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  Speaker 6: One of the silliest conversations that I've heard in a
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  Speaker 6: long time. And you get a lot of silly conversations
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  Speaker 6: when people talk about the NFL, and this is.
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  Speaker 5: Not to be disrespectful, like everyone should have an opinion.
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  Speaker 5: I love that the draft has become such a a
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  Speaker 5: highly contested very I love the intrigue and interest in
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  Speaker 5: all of those things. And this has given everybody an
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  Speaker 5: opportunity to be scouts. And I actually blame fantasy football
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  Speaker 5: for some of this because all of us have won
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  Speaker 5: our fantasy football leagues, so we all feel like we can.
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  Speaker 4: Put together a team and we know a lot.
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  Speaker 5: And then when you have the factor of mock drafts
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  Speaker 5: and what a mock draft is, what has happened is
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  Speaker 5: people are so focused on the mock draft part, like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: I want to get it right this and that. But
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  Speaker 5: I want to tell people, mock drafting is not scouting.
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  Speaker 5: Mock drafting is a guessing game where you're putting numbers,
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  Speaker 5: names in and saying.
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  Speaker 4: Like, hey, they're going to go in this order or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: But scouting is about saying, this is what the player is,
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  Speaker 5: he is, how he's going to play for us, this
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  Speaker 5: is what we expect him to do for us over
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  Speaker 5: a three or four year period. That's how you scout
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  Speaker 5: and so lost in this craze of mock drafts has
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  Speaker 5: been the purity of what the scouting process is, which
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  Speaker 5: is evaluating, projecting and assessing how a player is going
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  Speaker 5: to impact your team, more importantly, how its going to
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  Speaker 5: impact the culture.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, I'm a GM Bucky and I and I go
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  Speaker 6: to my boss, the owner, the guy who signs my
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  Speaker 6: checker initiates the direct deposit.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, hey, boss, I spent.
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  Speaker 6: The year and so did my entire scouting team. But
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  Speaker 6: we're going to come off of that and we're gonna
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  Speaker 6: print out Brugler's three point fifty and whatever number corresponds
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  Speaker 6: with our pick. That's what we're going with. And the
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  Speaker 6: owner is like, couldn't we have just done that without
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  Speaker 6: all the money?
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  Speaker 1: Right now?
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  Speaker 3: Need you that I got that?
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  Speaker 2: I can just print that myself just.
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  Speaker 3: On the print out. I mean, I mean, it's there.
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  Speaker 4: Is something to that, Like going all the way back, your.
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  Speaker 5: Old school guys used to refer to the Joel Bush
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  Speaker 5: Bomb Guide, right, and it's always been Yeah, things people
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  Speaker 5: look at our lads, you can talk about Dame Bruklyt.
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  Speaker 5: What you do is you all look at those things,
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  Speaker 5: not that you're taking.
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  Speaker 4: It as the Gospel of the Bible.
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  Speaker 5: But what you're doing is you're trying to cross reference
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  Speaker 5: that list with what you have, just to make sure
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  Speaker 5: that there aren't.
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  Speaker 3: Any Hey, what did I miss? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, is there anybody that I'm missing?
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  Speaker 5: Is there a player that Hey, this guy hasn't rated
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  Speaker 5: highlight what like?
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  Speaker 4: Whatever? Like.
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  Speaker 5: It's a conversation, but you don't change your board based
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  Speaker 5: on what the media does. Because one of the things
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  Speaker 5: that I can say, being on this side of it,
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  Speaker 5: I scout in general. I'm scouting for thirty two teams,
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  Speaker 5: and so you can't nail down exactly what a player
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  Speaker 5: would be because you don't know what am I scouting
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  Speaker 5: him for? Am I scouting him for three four four
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  Speaker 5: to three system? Am I scouting for West Coast of
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  Speaker 5: defense or old school downhill offense? All of those things
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  Speaker 5: provide a nuance and a context on why may light
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  Speaker 5: one player over another player, why one player may come
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  Speaker 5: and play well for us but not play the same
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  Speaker 5: at the same level for another team.
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  Speaker 4: I get it, I understand it.
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  Speaker 5: I appreciate the passion and the energy that everyone has
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  Speaker 5: around us, But ultimately I kind of like the way
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  Speaker 5: that Liam and James are kind of unwavering when it
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  Speaker 5: comes to their conviction and their belief and their players.
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  Speaker 4: They stand on it.
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  Speaker 5: They say it with the chest and at the end
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  Speaker 5: of the day we'll see if it's right or wrong.
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  Speaker 5: But it's hard for me to bet against a regime
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  Speaker 5: that came in and went thirteen and four right out
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  Speaker 5: the gate. I'm gonna kind of lean into what the
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  Speaker 5: Jacks are doing more so than all the outside noise
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  Speaker 5: that is kind of clouding their draft seglection process.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple.
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  Speaker 6: I was told by somebody yesterday or Monday, we don't
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  Speaker 6: really draft to win the draft. We draft to win games.
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  Speaker 6: I mean yeah, And that's the ultimate I mean in
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  Speaker 6: a nutshell. And the nice thing about it is, none
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  Speaker 6: of this really matters. And as the Niners in the
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  Speaker 6: Rams and seahows can tell you, if you go thirteen
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  Speaker 6: and four, this is a three day conversation the draft.
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  Speaker 6: The thirteen and four is what you talk about the
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  Speaker 6: other three on I sixty two days. And I do
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  Speaker 6: feel comfort that there is such an awareness and that
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  Speaker 6: they don't just I mean again, I've been around some
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  Speaker 6: teams that have said that they don't look at the
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  Speaker 6: at the consensus and then when you look at the drafts,
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  Speaker 6: you wonder if they really did this team. You know,
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  Speaker 6: they're doing it on their own and I trust that
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  Speaker 6: a lot more than I trust the podcasters and the draftnicks,
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  Speaker 6: and I respect them for doing their job, but it
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  Speaker 6: doesn't really their opinion and their consensus doesn't really matter
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  Speaker 6: in terms of what is actually being done in the
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  Speaker 6: draft rooms.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's you know, it's it's a big deal.
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  Speaker 5: And I think without giving away, yeah, without giving away
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  Speaker 5: too much of the secret sauce in the building, we
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  Speaker 5: all know that the Jaguars are operating differently when it
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  Speaker 5: comes to the scouting process than their predecessor, like in
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  Speaker 5: terms of just how they kind of try and really
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  Speaker 5: block out the noise, how they try and eliminate some
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  Speaker 5: of the biases that can leak in. This is a
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  Speaker 5: button up operation where they try to keep everyone away
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  Speaker 5: from each other so they can think and operate independently.
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  Speaker 5: They don't consume a lot of outside information, they don't
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  Speaker 5: do a lot of sharing amongst each other.
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  Speaker 4: They want their own authentic.
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  Speaker 5: Opinions solicited and done so you get a true feel
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  Speaker 5: and sense of what do you really feel about this player?
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  Speaker 5: Not what you think I want if I'm a general manager,
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  Speaker 5: Not what you think I feel about.
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  Speaker 4: Them, but what do you That's a huge part of
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  Speaker 4: the process about it. And because of that there's a purity.
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  Speaker 5: And now I can't say that it's infallible, that it's
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  Speaker 5: always going to work or whatever, but I do appreciate
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  Speaker 5: that part of it because I can tell you, John,
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  Speaker 5: the closer and the closer that we get to the draft,
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  Speaker 5: the more people begin to kind of tighten up and
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  Speaker 5: kind of go very conservative on their opinions because no
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  Speaker 5: one wants to be out there on that island alone
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  Speaker 5: because they're scared of the pushback.
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  Speaker 4: If you're wrong.
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  Speaker 5: And I appreciate that they are encouraging their scouts to
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  Speaker 5: stand on whatever they feel about it, and to know
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  Speaker 5: this a safe space. Whatever you feel you feel, and
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  Speaker 5: we can figure it out collectively to get it right
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  Speaker 5: as a team. But we want you to have your
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  Speaker 5: own opinion, not one that's influenced by outside noise.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, i'd say every What's impressive to me is that
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  Speaker 6: everything in Gladstone's process, what Bucky just said is not
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  Speaker 6: an afterthought in the process. That's how it's the entire
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  Speaker 6: process and the other part that I like. And he
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  Speaker 6: was the guest on the Ozone pod this week and
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  Speaker 6: he got into a lot of these topics. Oh, he
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  Speaker 6: tries to create an atmosphere, he calls it talking around
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  Speaker 6: the water cooler, so that you're not getting You know,
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  Speaker 6: everybody's had a boss that when you go into the
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  Speaker 6: boss's office you say a different thing to the boss.
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  Speaker 6: Then you just said to your buddyho's sitting at your.
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  Speaker 3: Cubicle nex to you.
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  Speaker 6: Well, everything about James's process, he wants to be sitting
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  Speaker 6: at the cuba with his buddy talking about his boss,
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  Speaker 6: getting that kind of honesty rather than what the person
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  Speaker 6: thinks the boss wants to hear. And to me, that's
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  Speaker 6: a really difficult You have to be thinking about that
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  Speaker 6: all the time, Bucky, because if not, you can have
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  Speaker 6: a day or two of draft meetings where all of
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  Speaker 6: a sudden you're not getting anything done because you're not
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  Speaker 6: getting real information exchanged. So to me, that's the part
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  Speaker 6: of the process that's fascinating is how he's tried to
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  Speaker 6: put what we just talked about, meaning like you and
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  Speaker 6: I talking on the phone. He wants to hear that
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  Speaker 6: in meetings and the idea of trying to process that
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  Speaker 6: sort of casual conversation is fascinating.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is casual.
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  Speaker 5: It is a casual conversation that you want to cultivate.
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  Speaker 5: But the only way that you can do it is
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  Speaker 5: you have to create what we call safe spaces. You
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  Speaker 5: have to feel, hey, man, you're respected, you're valued here,
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  Speaker 5: and because your value so much, we want to hear
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  Speaker 5: your opinion and there's no right or wrong answer. We
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  Speaker 5: want you to come in with the passion and the
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  Speaker 5: heat behind your people and we can deal with.
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  Speaker 4: All of that.
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  Speaker 5: But it's very similar because I think guys in particularly
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  Speaker 5: always talking about, man, let's have a man to man conversation.
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  Speaker 5: But then after that conversation there's passive aggressiveness that impacts
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  Speaker 5: the way that you go forward.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it does, regular aggressive guys.
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  Speaker 5: And what we want even throughout the team, because Liam
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  Speaker 5: has talked about that, man, we want to have open
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  Speaker 5: and honest dialogue amongst our teammates because that's the only
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  Speaker 5: way that we can grow and get better. And much
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  Speaker 5: like Liam has been very vulnerable with the team where look,
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  Speaker 5: he'll call them out, but he'll also call himself out
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  Speaker 5: and it goes back and forth. That is the only
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  Speaker 5: way that the group can get better if we be
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  Speaker 5: open and honest with one another so that we can
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  Speaker 5: get through some of those moments, those tough moments, and
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  Speaker 5: get to the other side and hopefully in the scouting
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  Speaker 5: process that is what takes place, so we can get
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  Speaker 5: the best group of players that we can get and
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  Speaker 5: put him in a position to succeed.
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  Speaker 3: I feel a little better, Kay, you feel bad therapists.
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  Speaker 4: The rich here, the rich hair that I'm sitting here.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe I feel like that, Like I feel like maybe
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  Speaker 5: I should cross my legs and I need to have
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  Speaker 5: my pennyfers on.
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  Speaker 4: You have my penny loafers on and say, you know,
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  Speaker 4: what do you think? How does that make you feel?
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  Speaker 6: A final thought here, I've gotten some emails, well does
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  Speaker 6: James think he's the smartest guy in the room? And I,
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  Speaker 6: you know, here's my thought is I sure don't want
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  Speaker 6: the guy who thinks he's the dumbest running the room
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  Speaker 6: running the room. So I want the GM to have
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  Speaker 6: the conviction of his own you know, if you're going
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  Speaker 6: to have this process, you want him to have the
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  Speaker 6: conviction of that that the process has worked. And I
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  Speaker 6: think that's an important thing. Is James isn't back there
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  Speaker 6: alone in a room with a bunch of like you know,
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  Speaker 6: laboratory stuff doing science projects. It's it's a it's a
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  Speaker 6: consensus of the entire year, of a million conversations that
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  Speaker 6: he ran that group. But he's not going off, you know,
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  Speaker 6: on his own and just making wild decisions like he's
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  Speaker 6: not you know, out there with the pellet gun just
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  Speaker 6: you know, I think more than that's a process. What's
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  Speaker 6: cool is they're actually all on the same page. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: a lot they'll say they're on the same page. We've
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  Speaker 6: all been around that before. These guys actually know what
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  Speaker 6: they want in players. They call it duval dna.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Like the traits that they want are the characteristics
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  Speaker 2: that they want.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody got picked that the head coach didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Want exactly and that Tony thought was tough enough to
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  Speaker 2: play this team. So like they actually all feel the
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  Speaker 2: same about the players that they're picking. And if you
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  Speaker 2: can actually you know, pick players that a your coach
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  Speaker 2: wants to coach and that your general manager believes in
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  Speaker 2: is constructing the same roster, that's huge.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is huge.
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  Speaker 5: And I'll I'll say this from scout to general manager
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  Speaker 5: one of the things that an old general manager told
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  Speaker 5: me a long time ago, and it took me a
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  Speaker 5: while to really understand the wisdom in it. He said,
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  Speaker 5: there's a difference between being a general manager and a scout,
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  Speaker 5: because the general manager doesn't need to be the best scout,
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  Speaker 5: but he has to be the best decision maker. So
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  Speaker 5: much of the conversation that exists in the outside world
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  Speaker 5: is about the scouting thing. A displayer can play, a
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  Speaker 5: displayer can play.
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  Speaker 4: YadA, YadA, YadA.
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  Speaker 5: But the general manager's job is to take all those
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  Speaker 5: opinions from the scouts, sift through that information, but also
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  Speaker 5: look at where it falls in relation to how we're
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  Speaker 5: valuing this player, where it relates to the board, where
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  Speaker 5: the run is going to be, how do we need
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  Speaker 5: to put a position ourselfs to acquire the player, and
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  Speaker 5: all those things.
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  Speaker 6: And does with what you want to do. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 6: the big part putting that puzzle together.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: But go ahead, sorry, no.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: It is the biggest part.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: And we always talk about the number one thing in
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: scouting is fit in scheme. How does a player fit
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: in your scheme? And now you have to extend to
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: how does he fit to your scheme and your culture,
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: and when you find the guys that fit how they
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: play in some places, we will value those guys greater
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: because it's for us. He's our kind of guy and
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: it works for us, whereas he may.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: Not work for anybody else, But we don't care about that.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: It's our thing.
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: I think that's that's the money sound bite right there.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: All right fit us? We haven't.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: We have our expert well, my two experts, but we're
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: going to check in with Bucky's expertise in terms of
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: scouting and drafting and looking at these guys. Yes, let's
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: talk about these picks, Bucky, because I know you know
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: him better than most. So obviously, first first pick they
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: had was in the second round, fifty six eight bor
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Kasher out of Texas, A and M tight end.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: That's one of two tight ends they took.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Over the weekend. They took Tanner Kozial out of Houston
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: as well in the fifth round. What are they looking
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: at here? I know we've heard from James and Liam
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: over the weekend they want to run more with you
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: know twelve thirteen personnel. Have that opportunity set up Brunt
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: and Strange for more success. Are these two guys that
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: are going to be able to do that.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, And I think that was a big part
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: of it. And you know, I mean, look the cast
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: out of the bag when it comes to how the
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: league is starting to value tight ends. Everyone looked around
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: and they saw the success that the Rams had with
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: thirteen personnel, one back, three tight ends on the field,
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: the way they were able to really create all kinds
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: of conflict for opponents.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Well, it's a copycat league.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: You see one team has success doing that and it
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: fits your profile and what you believe in. Well, I
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: want a little bit of that, and because of our
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: ties specifically with some of the RAMS people or whatever like,
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: there is a bit of that that you want to
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: create because it really works well with the personnel that
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: we already have. Think about Britain Strange and just a
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: little bit of what he showed last year when now
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: we're like, hey, he is a terrific pass catching tight end.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: Maybe we can put some more big bodies on the
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: field and create more favorable matchups for him on the perimeter. Oh,
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: we want to run the football. We talked about running
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: the football and how last year maybe we left some
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: yards on the field because we didn't fully block it right,
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: we didn't run it right or whatever. Well, let's make
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: sure that we're going to move people off the ball.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: It was interesting.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: I was driving in to work on Saturday before day
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: three of the draft. Bill Polllion was on and he
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: talked about it is very clear what the Jaguars are doing.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: They're trying to be a power football team. The guys
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: that they took the tight ends, Emmanuel Pregnan, they want
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: to move people off the ball. And we've heard Lim
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: talk about that, Oh, I can go zone, I can
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: go gap scheme. But then he looked at the team
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: and thought they would be a zone team, but they
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: were much more effective with gap stuff and vice versa.
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: Is trying to put your players in a position where
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: the overwhelming majority are playing to their strengths and looking
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: at it, we are clearly trying to be a physical
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: football team. The other part of it, you have to
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: build your team to win the division first before you
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: can think about the rest of the AFC. If you
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: look around Houston, Indianapolis, Tennessee, they are building teams to
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: play a certain way. And if you are not able
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: to deal with the physicality and toughness that each of
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: those things brings you.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: Can fall to the bottom of the division.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: And I think the Jaguars clearly, particularly with the Texans,
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: are clearly making sure that they have an offense that
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: going to match up with that defense that is one
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: of the best in the league.
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting. Bill spent ten years around Tom Moore.
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: Bucky and Tom Moore, one of the great offensive coordinators
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: in the last thirty or forty years, firmly believed that
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: the ideal offensive system was two tight ends because of
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: the matchups they created, because you had either choose stop
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: the run with an extra linebackers to the past with
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: an extra safety. So he was you know, had MP
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: Marcus Pollard, uh draft along with it always had. We
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: had Ken Dilger before you know, I'll go down the list.
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: I know we got a lot of positions, but the
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: tight end is such a crucial part of this draft. Bucky,
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: I want to ask you two things. You were really
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: good the other night on our.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Draft wrap up show. Not ever we listen to every show,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: So tell.
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: Us again why this works from a scheme standpoint, just
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: football one oh one? And then how good can Brent
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: and Strange be in this scheme?
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: One? He can be outstanding in the scheme.
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: He's outstanding in what we were doing last year out
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: of eleven personnel where we just have one back, one
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: tight end, three wide receivers. The reason why the multiple
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: tight end scheme is so difficult and challenging is because one,
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: when you have two tight ends on the field, from
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: a defense stand point, when you immediately got to make
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: a decision, are we gonna put bigs on the field?
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: Are we gonna play like a nickel because one of
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: those tight ends is like a wide receiver, so we
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: have to do it. If you put the little guys
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: on the field, then the teams with two tight ends,
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: they're gonna run you off the field. They're just gonna
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: run it at the nickel and they're gonna make them
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: make tackles. If you have the bigs on the field,
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: if one of your tight ends is basically like a
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: jumbo slot receiver, when now I have a mismatch in
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: space where we can throw and target and do whatever.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: There is also what we call formational versatility that you
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: can have when you have multiple tight ends on the field.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: So you can line up with both tight ends on
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: the opposite side to our receivers and it's a balance formation.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: You can use one of those tight ends as a
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: quasi fullback and line up in traditional two back sets.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: With the tight end as the fullback.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: You can put them both on the same side and
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: create a trip's formation. There is so much that you
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: can do and so much that the defense has to
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: account for when you have two really good tight ends
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: on the field, and more importantly, what you're doing.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: The easiest throw.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: For the quarterback is right over the middle of the field.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: So when you got two big bodies, you expand the
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: strike zone. You force them to protect the middle of
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: the field. That then leads to one on one opportunities
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: on the outside. It's all positives, no minuses, no negatives
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: when it comes to dealing with multiple tight ends on
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: the field, and.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: The key is the tight end's got to be able
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: to play guy. Well, that is the key. Because the
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Jags kicked off that tight end run clearly.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Borkashire was their guy at that point, and I think
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: it was like six or seven of them went right
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: quick after that. Bucky, do you think he can come
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: in and be impactful right away or do you feel
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: like these two guys are kind of like work their
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: way in no second.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: Round pick has to come in right away, has to
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: come in and be he has to be impactful right away.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: My take would be he would be the traditional white
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: tight end, meaning you think hand in the dirt, traditional
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: attached to the tackle.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Bread and Strange will be the move guy.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: Let's move him around, Let's see if we can create
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: different things for him. And then when we think about
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: the kid from Houston coming over, Colezill he has to
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: come in and see if he can crack the rotation
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: and do it. Quinn Morris is there, they look it'll
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: be a very competitive situation, so it will. It will
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: be an opportunity for him to get into there, and
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: you can never have you can never have too many
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: big tight ends on the field.
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: I think it's interesting kai when Bucky just said that
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: about it just clicked. Now you can have Brenton be
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: your move tight end. Well, if he's your move tight
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: end and you're having him blocked the safety in the
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: running game, he's probably gonna win that. And I think
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: it's different than if he's the blocking tight end, where
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: he's really good at it, but he probably wins the
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: other matchup. It really puts him in position to be
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: a star.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: So yeah, because last year and playing eleven personnel, he's
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: now the why so he's having to do all the
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: dirty work at the line of scrimmage, having to do
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: those things, and occasionally we could get him out in space.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: I think what you're seeing is an acknowledgment of Hey,
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: we need to get the ball to strange. We need
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: to make sure that Parker Washington has a role where
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: he's such.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: In the ball.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: We need to do some other things to help betj
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: and Jacoby Myers on the outside. All of those things
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: are in play, and by being able to change your
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: looks constantly, you put a lot of stress on the
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: opponent trying to prepare for an offense that should be
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: dynamic and explosive and.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: Kind of I know we spent a lot of time
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: on tight end, but I just really believe that if
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: what they're doing, like this concept here that we're talking about,
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: is how the draft's going to be judged. I mean, yes,
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: this will be whether it's successful and if in November
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: this thing has added four points a game to the
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: offense has has picked up. You know, lost to Houston
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: last year because you couldn't and Brian Sexton said this
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: on the air the other day. You lost to Houston
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: last year in Houston because you couldn't pick up a
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: first down in the fourth quarter and finish the game
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: having a couple of tight ends in that scheme pick
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: up third and six.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: I've got to believe these moves are made to make
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: them a more efficient offense in those kind of moments.
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: Many other moments too, but specifically that sort of moment.
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: I got to think this makes them much more versatile
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: and gives them more options in the key situations. Kyle,
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: that you go back to hosting the.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Show, we'll talking about toughing it out right or making
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: this team tougher. You mentioned Pregnant, the guard out of Oregon.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Is he someone that could crack this lineup at some point?
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: He should be able to. I think it's a bit
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: of a surprise that it was at the third round.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: And in fact, I've said this, if you flip the
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: picks and put Pregnant in the.
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: Second round, people are finally probably burcature in the third round.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, what a great draft. It is just
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: the order the players though.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: That's a really good point, but just it is just because.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: Everyone anticipated pg not being a certain spot and they
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: didn't anticipate the other guy being there. But if you
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: literally flip the order, everyone is celebrating the thing. So
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: you have to think about the players. You can't think
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: about where they went. But Pregnant is a guy that's
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: gonna jump right in the mix at guard. He is physical,
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: he has an attitude about him, He has some toughness
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: that is going to extend throughout the rest of that
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: offensive line. And I'm saying it and looking at the
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: draft and looking at the acquisitions and listening to Lim,
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: there is no doubt that we want to be a
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: rough and rugged football team. And we have to be
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: because our division is full of rough and tumble football
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: teams where it's going to be a battle. And this
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: is us acknowledging, oh, yeah, we know what it is.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: We're okay playing any style of ball wherever it is.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: These additions certainly help us in a major way.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and interesting that the reason they did what they did,
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: and this is sort of of deducing being a pretty
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: safe this they knew that there's gonna be a run
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: on tight ends, so they wanted.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: To get their guy.
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: And probably you know, in theory, if they'd have had this,
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: what the seventieth pick, maybe they could have waited, but
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: they didn't have a seventh pick.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: They had the fifty sixth pick. And that's the old.
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: Thing of look, when your guy's there, you go take them.
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: And I remember, Bucky, I've told you this story. Colts
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: drafted Dwight Freeney number eleven and O two, and he
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: was projected to be about a twenty fifth overall pick.
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: And I can remember probably Monday or Tuesday after that,
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: I asked a Tony Dungee, I, so, you know what,
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: why do you take him so high? He was projected
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: twenty fifth. He goes, we weren't picking twenty fifth.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: And I mean, oh, well, dah yeah.
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: I mean yes, on the draft boards, these guys might
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: rate a certain way, but if if you like a guy,
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: Gladstone said it, I think in the presser they weren't
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: going to take that risk of not getting the guy
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: they wanted. Because you've been in draft rooms, Bucky. What's
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: the feeling when you sort of let a guy go
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: and say, hey, we can get him in the next
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: round and he's gone. That's the biggest punch there is
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: on the weekend, right.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're sick to your stomach and you don't want
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: to get too cute. At the end of the day,
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: get go, get the players that you want, and he
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: was a player that they wanted, so you have to
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: take them whatever.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: You got to take him. This is our pick. We
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: like this player. We're taking period.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: All Let's talk some of these defensive guys. They added
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Albert Regis, defensive tackle, lot of Texa, A and M
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: in the third round at eighty one. We got Jalen
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Husky dB out of Maryland at one hundred.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Camp's already excited for him. The first thing out of
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: his mouth. He's like, he's a hitter. I'm excited picks.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: He has eleven picks in his.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Career too, So those are a couple of higher defensive editions.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I think they're just trying to at least with Regis,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: it seems like they're trying to give themselves some flexibility
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: on the line with what they do with Trayvon and
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: some other players.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I'm also out of respecting. What about the kid Williams
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: from Duke.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Loved him, saw him at the East West Rine game.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: He was one, well sorry from Duke. Other than that,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: we know he's a dukeie guy. You do.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: Uh, he's from the school down the street and they
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: also wear blue.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: But Wesley Williams is good outside of his decision making
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: that I have to ask him about, Like why he
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: makes such poor decisions going to do because opposed.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: To going to Carolina. I mean, that's the thing.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: But what I like about the crew that they brought
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: in on defense, and I'll throw in the Washington Edge
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: Zach Durfey, all these guys won. You talk about a
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: team that prides itself and playing hard and being physical
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: and getting after it and having want to guys and
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: not make got to make him having guys. These guys
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: want to play, they want to play at a high level,
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: they want to get after. They play with a level
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: of physicality and toughness that you love. There's some versatility
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: in their game. Reis being a guy that is a
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: very active interior player. He's going to create some things
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: that people are gonna talk about. The size like, yeah,
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: but he's not long and stuff like Eric Offstead.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: But no, we need a different type.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: If you think about, like in basketball, you can't have
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: all the same kind of players on the floor. You
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: got to have some different some diversity when it comes
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: with it. We now have some diversity amongst our front line.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: I like what we're doing in terms of putting it together.
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: And then the last thing we talked about Jalen Husky.
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: We're just looking for athletic guys that fit the prototype.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: He fits the prototype not only for being in every
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: down player, but for being someone that can contribute in
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: special teams. This team came into the draft with a
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: clear focus on attack and a few areas. And even
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: though you can't necessarily address all your needs, you certainly
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: can change the dynamic and the tent of your team
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: by bringing in the right stuff. And let's go back
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: a year ago when Glasstone and those guys talked about
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: changing the culture, and they talked about, look, we want
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: people to be who they are, and the culturally naturally
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: flip if we bring in the right guys. When we
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: talk about the culture, because we've seen it up close,
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: it flips when you bring in the worker bees. And
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: right now we have a collection of workabees that want
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: to go after they want to play the right way.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: And I think it's important to him.
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Husky's important too, because they play so
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: much three safety. I mean, you've got Antonio, You've got
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: Kayla Ransaw and Eric Murray, but they they play so
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: much three safety. All three of those guys are gonna
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: be on the field. So if you're going to play that,
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: you need more than three. So they felt like they
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: were really in good shape at corner because you've got
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: Jari and Jordan Lewis, who are both nickels. You have
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: depth all around there. But they didn't really have a
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: nickel who they felt great. I don't think about going
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: over and playing safety. They can do it, but you know,
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: not quite what they wanted. So I think Husky fits
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  Speaker 6: into that. He's very I mean, I don't think he's
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: just a reserve safety who who's going to develop for
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty seven.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's more than that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: And I think when you look at the musical chairs,
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: do they like to play in back in Having guys
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: that have some positional flexibility is important, not only for
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: injuries that look they routinely pop up over the course
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: of the season, but in terms of packages. How many
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: different person personnel packages can we put on the field
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: to get everybody an opportunity to play that is worthy
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: of playing. All of the factors in I think about
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: James talking about the importance of clearing pathways for young
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: guys to get onto the field.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: This is a part of it.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: If you want to be a really good team that
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: eventually forces your hand when it comes to paying players,
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: you always got to be developing the last part of
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: the roster, and some of these picks we're trying to
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: upgrade the bottom throad of the roster, knowing that at
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: some point we have to issue some big paydays to
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: some others, and we're going to need these guys playing
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: on their rookie deal to be able to contribute.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: I know we're way long. I have one more question
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: for Buckfoy. Get out of here. I need all Bucky's wisdom.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: He will stay as long as we can have them,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Udfa Bucky.
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  Speaker 6: I mean yes that it looked to me they're going
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: to have a couple of guys because they consider that
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: very important. They at bej green Striga. Last year, the
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: Virginia running back Jamari Taylor. It's interesting to me because
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: it was such a quote unquote bad running back class
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: that everybody maybe got pushed down the board. But he
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: looks like a guy who I'd be really surprised. I
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: guess if he's not practice squad part of their world.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: See what this guy is.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: You know, there's some conversation about him in a drafted player,
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: you know, And so he just happens to find himself
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: in the undrafted market.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: To me, I think he landed in a perfect spot.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: Like think about this.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: A team that lost their starting running back in free
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: agency didn't add another running back in the draft. So
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: if you're him coming in, you think, man, I have
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: an opportunity to somehow get here. Yes, you bring in
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: one via free agency, but this is wide open. And
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: because the Jaguars are a team, and I'm sure they
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: promote this when they sell themselves to undrafted free agency,
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: we give people opportunities. We let our undrafted free agents
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: legitimately compete for spots. Think about string Out and BJ
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: Green and those guys. So if you come here and
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: you're one of the best, you can get a chance
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: to prove it and you're gonna play. To me that
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: that is something that you want to hear if you're
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: an undrafted free agent. Now saw him to play at
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: that level, But there's a path for him not only
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: to make practice squad but eventually be a regular player
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: that makes contributions on the fifth three man roster.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: I only mentioned the practice squad because it's so much
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: bess natural team than it was maybe even fifteen years ago.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: That practice squad guy for him can mean getting elevated,
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: can mean being like a real part of it. And
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: I guess the UCLA kid, the lineman not dig Jorio,
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: was maybe the top UDFA interior alignment available could have
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: gotten drafted. So it looks to me like there's guys
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: who could matter out of that bunch.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they certainly would be guys that could matter. And
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: I'm gona tell you this, man, it's the attitude that
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: the front office and the coaching staff have when it
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: comes to undrafted free agents. There are some teams that
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: the drafted players are gonna make the team no matter what,
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: and the undrafted guys there are just training camp bodies.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: They're not gonna get a legitimate look, a legitimate opportunity
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: to make the team. In Jacksonville, these guys will have
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: a legitimate opportunity to make the team. And you have
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: to be excited about that because for our standpoint, it
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: makes the preseason a little more enjoyable to watch because
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: some of these guys are really gonna have a chance
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: to really earn their weight onto the team, whether it
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: has a fifty three man roster spot or one of
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: the guys that's on the sixteen man practice squad.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: And even later in the season too. We saw it
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: all last year.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: If you bust your button practice and you're doing it,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: you're gonna play like they're not just gonna play you
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: because you're the guy.
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: Like you, guys are willing to have the roster adapt
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: on the fly to what's really going on, and you.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Could see it.
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: Somebody said to the other day, did you really believe
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: that Parker Washington and Antonio Johnson are gonna be two
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: the best players in the by.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: The end of the year.
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: I earned it, and they legitimately are, and with a
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: different attitude. Parker probably had played it, you know, but
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: Antonio was not. They thought was going to be great,
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: and he's a big time safety.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: So that attitude produces change and makes you better.
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: It's a I thought that was the most remarkable story
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: last season and certainly plays into what we're talking about.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Some opportunities for some some of these new guys as well.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Bucky, do you want to close us out with a
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: draft grade?
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Oh? We were great today, We were great.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: I just know I think show gets an ash.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to touch the acts.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: I and I'm a hardy greater. I'm a hardy greater.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: I want to be a teacher when I was coming up,
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: So just a plus that those did not come. And
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: I would even you know what, John on your paper,
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: on cash paper. I'm even gonna put like little platinum
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: stickers on your paper. Star Lit'll start, wet'll start for
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: you guys, good joy.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: But I give you stars at the corner.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: There's no high. I was tense. I told you I
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: was still sort of just hot. I've been angry ever
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: since I sent Bucky that text. I think I'm finally
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: ready to move on. And you know, let's go be
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: a better person.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: After this, all right now, But we'll give you some
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: some time to chill out a week off. JP will
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: be back with you guys next week. But this was
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: a huddle up with Bucky Brooks