Latest / Best of LinkedIn: Strategy, M&A & Investments / Best of LinkedIn: Private Equity Insights CW 06/ 07
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- 0:00Speaker 0: Provided by Thomas Allgaier and Frennus.
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- 0:27Speaker 0: Welcome back to the deep dive.
- 0:29Speaker 0: We've got a lot to get through.
- 0:30Speaker 0: today we're looking at calendar week six and seven of twenty-twenty-six And I have to say, The mood music has really changed.
- 0:38Speaker 0: it really has for the last.
- 0:39Speaker 0: what eighteen months?
- 0:40Speaker 0: The whole story has been survive.
- 0:42Speaker 0: until twenty five were just you know waiting For interest rates to drop.
- 0:45Speaker 0: It felt like everyone was just holding their breath.
- 0:47Speaker 0: Hmm but Looking at the sources this week specifically from John Messer and Nicola Ebbmeyer that waiting game And it seems to be officially over.
- 0:55Speaker 0: It does, the phrase that keeps coming in mind looking at all this is cautious momentum.
- 0:59Speaker 0: Cautious momentum.
- 1:00Speaker 0: I like that!
- 1:01Speaker 1: Its not the wild west of twenty-twenty one.
- 1:03Speaker 1: you know nobody's buying jpegs or rocks anymore but the paralysis has gone.
- 1:07Speaker 1: Ebbmeyer data says well its a smoking gun here.
- 1:10Speaker 1: private equity entry activity up eight percent year over years
- 1:14Speaker 0: and its not just small deals either.
- 1:16Speaker 0: thats what jumped out on me.
- 1:17Speaker 0: yeah The large entries were talking about deals over a billion euros.
- 1:21Speaker 0: They surged by forty-nine percent.
- 1:23Speaker 0: Forty
- 1:24Speaker 1: nine per
- 1:25Speaker 0: cent!
- 1:25Speaker 0: And it's a massive confidence signal, I mean when you see billion euro checks being written that tells you the big players are not sitting on their hands anymore?
- 1:33Speaker 1: It is recovery absolutely.
- 1:35Speaker 1: but and this really mission for our deep dive today we have to be careful We aren't going back to the easy money era.
- 1:45Speaker 1: The sources are painting a picture of very different landscape.
- 1:49Speaker 1: It's no longer about financial engineering, it is about what Maria Alvarez Mann calls operational alpha.
- 1:56Speaker 0: I really want spend some time on that because operational alpha sounds fantastic but actually executing it is brutal.
- 2:04Speaker 0: But before we get into how let us look at because there's this really strange deployment paradox happening right now.
- 2:11Speaker 0: It
- 2:11Speaker 1: is a paradox!
- 2:12Speaker 1: You have all these capital, but you just can't spend it the way used to.
- 2:15Speaker 0: Eric J. Pritchard highlighted this perfectly.
- 2:17Speaker 0: He points out that industry sitting on four-and-a half trillion dollars in dry powder.
- 2:23Speaker 1: That number is just staggering...It
- 2:26Speaker 0: IS.
- 2:26Speaker 0: Its hard even visualize that much money and theory with so much cash would be seeing buying frenzy.
- 2:33Speaker 1: But we aren't because the math has completely changed.
- 2:36Speaker 1: Pritchard's argument is that high interest rates and valuation uncertainty have just killed the old playbook,
- 2:42Speaker 0: so no more leverage in flip
- 2:44Speaker 1: exactly.
- 2:44Speaker 1: you can't Just buy a company slap A bunch of debt on it wait for The market multiples to rise And sell It.
- 2:49Speaker 1: That' s the financial engineering model and its basically dead.
- 2:52Speaker 1: if You Buy something today?
- 2:54Speaker 1: Your Paying a premium and your cost Of Debt Is Higher.
- 2:57Speaker 1: So your margin For error Is It's Effectively Zero.
- 3:01Speaker 0: So if you have trillions burning a hole in your pocket, but you can't just buy everything because the debt is too expensive.
- 3:08Speaker 0: You have to get incredibly picky!
- 3:10Speaker 0: You do?
- 3:10Speaker 0: And Anu Dranjan from Brookfield had a fascinating take on where that money is actually flowing.
- 3:17Speaker 0: He says The focus has shifted entirely To essential businesses
- 3:22Speaker 1: and assemble.
- 3:22Speaker 1: here's doing a lot of heavy lifting.
- 3:24Speaker 1: as a term right.
- 3:24Speaker 1: he's not Just talking about health care or groceries.
- 3:27Speaker 0: no it's deeper its infrastructure.
- 3:29Speaker 0: He mentions things like vehicle batteries thermal management systems for pipes, financial infrastructure.
- 3:36Speaker 0: The real plumbing of the
- 3:37Speaker 0: economy.".
- 3:37Speaker 0: That's
- 3:37Speaker 1: a perfect analogy to the plumbing—the whole thesis is durability!
- 3:41Speaker 1: If the stock market crashes tomorrow or if consumer spending drops you still need thermal management...you still need financial transaction processing.
- 3:48Speaker 1: Ranjan is arguing that in this high-cost capital world You have to prioritize downside protection over blue sky growth…You want assets that are hard tangible and necessary.
- 4:00Speaker 0: Boring is beautiful again, but it's a rigorous kind of boring.
- 4:03Speaker 0: I saw William Bee who was referencing Apollo and David Reuter both touching on this.
- 4:08Speaker 0: They used the phrase that stuck with me You can't just shake the tree anymore.
- 4:13Speaker 1: That's a great visual.
- 4:14Speaker 1: It's all about multiple expansion, right?
- 4:16Speaker 1: In the past you could buy company at ten X EBITDA and sell it at twelve x Just because the market got hotter.
- 4:22Speaker 1: that shaking The Tree was basically free returns.
- 4:24Speaker 1: now Reuter is saying you have to underwrite operational risk
- 4:27Speaker 0: which means you have To validate the entire plan.
- 4:30Speaker 0: before you even think About wiring money
- 4:32Speaker 1: precisely you need to know line by Line where are the efficiency gains or coming from Before day one.
- 4:40Speaker 1: If you buy a company thinking, ah we'll figure out how to improve margins later... You've already lost.
- 4:44Speaker 1: You're
- 4:44Speaker 0: underwriting the execution of the plan not just the asset
- 4:47Speaker 1: Exactly!
- 4:48Speaker 1: Your'e underwriting that plan itself.
- 4:50Speaker 0: And this brings us right back to operational alpha Maria Alvarez.
- 4:53Speaker 0: man was really emphatic about it.
- 4:55Speaker 0: It's not about leverage.
- 4:56Speaker 0: Its bout integrating data technology and institutional knowledge.
- 5:02Speaker 0: But lets be real
- 5:03Speaker 1: I know where your going with this.
- 5:04Speaker 0: Integrating Data & Technology is something every firm claims to do.
- 5:09Speaker 0: It's the free square on The Buzzword Bingo Card!
- 5:11Speaker 1: Everyone claims it, but so few do well because they just overcomplicate everything.
- 5:16Speaker 1: and this where Dan Cremens comes in with what might be my favorite insight of the week...the one-page value creation plan.
- 5:24Speaker 1: I
- 5:24Speaker 0: love this post as such a direct attack on the consulting industrial complex that permeates private equity.
- 5:31Speaker 0: we've all seen those sixty slide strategy decks.
- 5:33Speaker 1: oh yeah They're beautiful, they have complex gaunt charts.
- 5:37Speaker 0: And nobody looks at them after the Keckhoff meeting?
- 5:39Speaker 1: Never!
- 5:39Speaker 1: Kremens argues that complexity is actually the enemy of execution.
- 5:43Speaker 1: In PE there's this tendency to want-to look smart To big brain.
- 5:47Speaker 1: The problem.
- 5:48Speaker 1: But if you are a portfolio company CEO You don't need a sixty page deck.
- 5:52Speaker 1: You just need clarity.
- 5:54Speaker 1: His
- 5:54Speaker 0: litmus test Is brilliant.
- 5:56Speaker 0: Yeah He basically asks Can you swivel in your chair right now and hand me your value creation plan?
- 6:01Speaker 0: If you had to say, hang on.
- 6:02Speaker 0: Let me dig into the SharePoint folder and find version three point two then you don't have a plan.
- 6:07Speaker 1: You have a document not a plan.
- 6:09Speaker 0: That's a crucial distinction.
- 6:11Speaker 0: And the plan needs to answer one simple question How do we turn one dollar of investor money into three dollars.
- 6:18Speaker 0: if that story isn't crystal clear On a single sheet of paper you just aren't gonna get alignment
- 6:24Speaker 1: And alignment is the magic word.
- 6:26Speaker 1: You can have the best plan in the world, but if people running a company cannot execute it, its completely worthless.
- 6:32Speaker 0: Which Is The People?
- 6:33Speaker 0: Component Of Operational Alpha Jason Crane made very strong statement Private equity doesn't lose on strategy It Loses On Talent
- 6:41Speaker 1: and the stats back them up.
- 6:43Speaker 1: And honestly, they're shocking!
- 6:44Speaker 1: Greg Heads shared that nearly seventy percent of CEOs, CFOs —the whole C-suite in PE backed companies— are replaced during a hold period.
- 6:53Speaker 1: To seventy
- 6:54Speaker 0: percent?
- 6:55Speaker 0: That is an enormous amount of churned...
- 6:56Speaker 1: It's a revolving door…and Greg Head points out about sixty per cent of those changes happen in year one –that tells you something very specific.
- 7:03Speaker 0: Not that it suddenly became incompetent
- 7:05Speaker 1: No It's that they were the wrong fit for the investment thesis from day one.
- 7:10Speaker 0: Scott Angler calls this misalignment, it feels like a failure of due diligence on the human side of the
- 7:15Speaker 0: equation.".
- 7:16Speaker 1: It absolutely is!
- 7:18Speaker 1: Angler and Head both argue that firms need to define their roles so much more sharply.
- 7:23Speaker 1: Do you need a wartime CEO who can cut costs and stabilize a sinking ship?
- 7:29Speaker 1: Or do you need growth CEOs who find product market fit or scale sales
- 7:33Speaker 0: teams And usually those are two very different people.
- 7:36Speaker 0: Almost
- 7:36Speaker 1: always, and if you put a growth CEO in turn around situation they will fail not because aren't smart but their toolkit is completely wrong for the job.
- 7:45Speaker 1: And replacing a CEO costs you months of momentum, which in five-year hold period he just can't afford.
- 7:52Speaker 0: So operational alpha is just as much about HR and psychology as it is about spreadsheets?
- 7:56Speaker 0: Definitely.
- 7:57Speaker 0: But okay we can talk these weeks without addressing the elephant on the room.
- 8:00Speaker 0: technology AND AI.
- 8:03Speaker 0: This wasn't usual AI's magical hype.
- 8:05Speaker 0: There was some real doom and gloom here especially around private credit
- 8:09Speaker 1: this one that most complex but important insights.
- 8:12Speaker 1: Eric Bollender's private capital compass highlighted a major sell-off in private credit stocks and the driver, fear of AI disruption.
- 8:20Speaker 0: Okay let's unpack that because it is bit of domino effect.
- 8:23Speaker 0: Why does say ChatGPT threaten a private credit fund?
- 8:29Speaker 1: So think about what?
- 8:30Speaker 1: backing those loans?
- 8:32Speaker 1: In the last few years, private credit loaned billions to fund buyouts of software companies—sauce businesses specifically.
- 8:39Speaker 0: And those deals were done at peak valuations in twenty-twenty one and twenty-two?
- 8:43Speaker 0: At
- 8:43Speaker 1: a very peak!
- 8:44Speaker 1: The collateral for the loan is recurring revenue from that software company.
- 8:48Speaker 0: Okay so I lend money basic copywriting tools embedding on their subscription revenue to pay me back.
- 8:57Speaker 1: Exactly, but now enter AI tools like Claude Code or these advanced LLMs.
- 9:02Speaker 1: These tools threaten the very business model of those legacy software companies.
- 9:07Speaker 1: if an AI can write code for free Or very cheap that you used to pay a SAW subscription For and
- 9:12Speaker 0: then that company's revenue is at massive risk
- 9:14Speaker 1: And If The Revenue Drives Up they default on the loan.
- 9:17Speaker 1: Wow!
- 9:17Speaker 1: So, The private credit investors are looking at their portfolios and asking how many of our loans are backed by software companies that about to be made obsolete?
- 9:25Speaker 1: It's a huge unpriced risk
- 9:27Speaker 0: That is terrifying if you're holding that paper.
- 9:30Speaker 0: Stuart Fatheringham noted something like fifty-seven percent of PE execs say AI maturity is now critical for an exit.
- 9:38Speaker 1: it is
- 9:38Speaker 0: basically yeah can't sell a company If You Can't Prove Its AI Proof.
- 9:42Speaker 0: but And this Is Disconnect AI Ranks Last in actual execution within their portfolios.
- 9:48Speaker 1: It's a huge gap, everyone knows they need an AI strategy to sell the asset but almost nobody has figured out how to actually implant it.
- 9:55Speaker 1: yet its erase against time trying to retrofit AI onto companies that weren't built for it.
- 10:00Speaker 0: But is not all scary news?
- 10:01Speaker 0: there are tools being billed.
- 10:05Speaker 0: Alex Baggetchi from Film and Sifter talked about the deal engine.
- 10:08Speaker 1: Right, this is the flip side using tech to run the PE firm itself better.
- 10:12Speaker 1: Badgedechi talks about UI fatigue.
- 10:14Speaker 1: investment professionals are these highly paid really smart people?
- 10:18Speaker 1: but they spend half their lives manually updating CRMs in wrestling with spreadsheets
- 10:23Speaker 0: The classic analyst burnout problem?
- 10:25Speaker 1: That's it!
- 10:26Speaker 1: And Baggetti argues firms need a Deal Engine To automate that grunt work...the data should work for team not other way around.
- 10:33Speaker 1: If you want to find those essential businesses we were just talking about, You can't be drowning in data entry.
- 10:38Speaker 0: Speaking of data Jason Spencer pointed out a shift In how the public markets are viewing AI specifically with Microsoft.
- 10:45Speaker 1: This feels like healthy correction.
- 10:47Speaker 1: The market has moved from what he calls narrative led optimism
- 10:51Speaker 0: Just believing the hype.
- 10:52Speaker 0: Believing
- 10:53Speaker 1: the hype exactly to rigorous scrutiny.
- 10:56Speaker 1: Investors are now asking the hard questions, where is the cash flow?
- 10:59Speaker 1: What's the capital intensity?
- 11:01Speaker 1: It's not enough to say we have AI.
- 11:03Speaker 1: you have to show how it actually makes money
- 11:06Speaker 0: which brings us back full circle to discipline Discipline and entry in operations And finally discipline in getting the money out.
- 11:14Speaker 0: Let's talk about exits.
- 11:15Speaker 1: The exit environment is the real bottleneck right now.
- 11:18Speaker 1: We said entries are up eight percent, but exits are still lagging.
- 11:21Speaker 1: that log jam hasn't fully cleared yet
- 11:23Speaker 0: But there's some cracks of light.
- 11:24Speaker 0: Neil Fatania highlighted a couple massive wins.
- 11:27Speaker 0: they give them hope.
- 11:28Speaker 1: Yes!
- 11:28Speaker 1: The Medline IPO was huge.
- 11:30Speaker 1: A fifty-five billion dollar valuation and Verisure at sixteen billion dollars.
- 11:35Speaker 1: These are signals that the IPO window is cracking open but only for the absolute highest quality assets.
- 11:42Speaker 0: That's The Catch, isn't it?
- 11:43Speaker 0: For every med line there are a dozen companies stuck in limbo and Nishat Jones had great breakdown of why these exits stall.
- 11:50Speaker 1: And it comes back to data.
- 11:51Speaker 1: Again, Jones argues that exits stall because of a lack of a data-led strategy.
- 11:57Speaker 1: when the buyer comes in to do due diligence they want proof.
- 12:00Speaker 1: Hard numbers hard numbers.
- 12:01Speaker 1: if your customer data is fragmented or you can't prove brand loyalty with things like net revenue retention The buyer just loses confidence.
- 12:08Speaker 0: and in dealmaking When confidence drops evaluation crashes where the whole deal Just dies on the vine.
- 12:14Speaker 1: exactly.
- 12:14Speaker 1: You can't bluff your way through an exit anymore.
- 12:16Speaker 1: I
- 12:17Speaker 0: really liked Adam Coffey's take On the mindset of an exit says founders often think of it as the finish line.
- 12:22Speaker 0: Like I sold a company to PE, and I'm done where's my check?
- 12:25Speaker 0: And
- 12:25Speaker 1: Coffey says no its at checkpoint
- 12:27Speaker 0: At Checkpoint.
- 12:28Speaker 0: that changes whole dynamic.
- 12:29Speaker 1: It does!
- 12:30Speaker 1: If you want sell private equity You have.
- 12:32Speaker 1: build a sellable asset not just job do yourself.
- 12:35Speaker 1: The PE firm usually wants stay on grow into next checkpoint.
- 12:40Speaker 1: They are buying jockey.
- 12:41Speaker 1: much is horse
- 12:42Speaker 0: Which leads perfectly in rollover equity.
- 12:45Speaker 0: Caledazar calls second bite apple.
- 12:48Speaker 1: This is such a powerful wealth creation tool.
- 12:51Speaker 1: Let's say you sell your business for fifty million dollars, You might take forty million in cash but keep ten million dollars.
- 12:58Speaker 1: so twenty percent invested In the company alongside The PE firm.
- 13:01Speaker 1: and
- 13:01Speaker 0: the whole logic Is?
- 13:02Speaker 0: The PE Firm is there to supercharge that Company?
- 13:05Speaker 0: right
- 13:06Speaker 1: if the PE firm does its job You know adds That operational alpha buys some competitors.
- 13:12Speaker 1: ten million dollar stake might be worth thirty or forty million dollars five years later.
- 13:17Speaker 1: That second bite can end up being worth more than the first.
- 13:20Speaker 0: but what if you can't sell?
- 13:22Speaker 0: What if the IPO window just isn't open for you?
- 13:24Speaker 0: we're seeing new structures emerge.
- 13:26Speaker 0: Vivian Gonzalez talked about continuation funds, continuation
- 13:29Speaker 1: funds have had a bit of a rebrand.
- 13:31Speaker 1: they used to be seen as a failure like a plan B because you couldn't sell the asset.
- 13:35Speaker 1: right now Gonzales argues that are becoming a core strategy.
- 13:39Speaker 1: it allows the PE firm to hold onto a real winner for longer.
- 13:44Speaker 0: So how does that work?
- 13:45Speaker 1: Say you have a great asset, but the fund's life is ending—you just move it into a continuation fund.
- 13:51Speaker 1: The LPs who want liquidity can cash out But the GP keeps.
- 13:55Speaker 1: the assets grow even further.
- 13:57Speaker 1: It's a win-win.
- 13:58Speaker 0: And on the other end of the time horizon spectrum, Ronald Diamond made a really interesting comparison between PE and family offices.
- 14:05Speaker 1: This is so significant for founders when they're choosing a partner.
- 14:09Speaker 1: private equity is structurally designed to sell every three to five years.
- 14:12Speaker 1: that creates transaction costs and what Rob Worth calls strategic distraction.
- 14:17Speaker 1: you're constantly polishing the company For The Next Sale whereas
- 14:20Speaker 0: A Family Office
- 14:21Speaker 1: They can hold forever.
- 14:23Speaker 1: diamond notes That Family Offices Avoid That Churn?
- 14:25Speaker 1: They Can Focus On Long Term Compounding without the artificial pressure of a fun cycle.
- 14:30Speaker 1: If you care about legacy and not just speed, that's becoming really attractive alternative.
- 14:35Speaker 0: Let's zoom in geographically for a minute.
- 14:36Speaker 0: we mentioned the Dach region.
- 14:38Speaker 0: Germany Austria Switzerland was bit slow on entries but there is definitely active either.
- 14:44Speaker 1: Oh yeah Andres Klab and Sebastian Esser both highlighted buy-and-build activity In the DSCH mid market.
- 14:52Speaker 1: it very active.
- 14:53Speaker 0: The Odewald example
- 14:55Speaker 1: Right, the high office group.
- 14:56Speaker 1: They aren't just buying one company they're buying a platform in social recruiting and then immediately snapping up add-ons like Fatch Digital...they are moving really fast!
- 15:06Speaker 1: That strategy of aggregating fragmented markets is still the dominant play.
- 15:18Speaker 1: Well, it makes sense if you reframe it.
- 15:20Speaker 1: He cites an article suggesting events aren't just cyclical one-offs anymore.
- 15:23Speaker 1: they're scalable platform ecosystems.
- 15:26Speaker 0: That sounds like peak buzzword bingo But I think i get it.
- 15:30Speaker 0: If you have a trade show You also have all the data on the buyers and sellers
- 15:34Speaker 1: Exactly.
- 15:35Speaker 1: And if you can build a community that meets in person once a year but engages digitally All year round?
- 15:40Speaker 1: That's a very different business model.
- 15:42Speaker 1: It creates recurring revenue!
- 15:46Speaker 1: it is recurring revenue.
- 15:48Speaker 0: So we've covered the return of momentum, the absolute necessity of operational alpha this scary reality of AI risk and the changing exit landscape.
- 15:57Speaker 0: It's
- 15:57Speaker 1: a lot to digest!
- 15:59Speaker 0: But I want leave our listeners with one final slightly provocative thought from Maxwell Salazar.
- 16:04Speaker 0: We spend so much time talking about the mega funds, the Apollo's.
- 16:08Speaker 0: The Blackstones and KKRs.
- 16:11Speaker 1: They had all of their headlines but numbers are just huge.
- 16:13Speaker 0: But Salazar points out that middle market is where real hustle is.
- 16:16Speaker 0: he shared a stat.
- 16:18Speaker 0: Middle Market buyout investments delivered seventy seven percent median EBITDA growth.
- 16:23Speaker 0: Large cap only sixty three percent.
- 16:25Speaker 1: That is a significant gap, that fourteen percent difference Is where the real value creation
- 16:30Speaker 0: lives.
- 16:31Speaker 0: It is!
- 16:31Speaker 0: So The question for you listening are You chasing the logo or Are you chasing performance?
- 16:35Speaker 0: Because the real operational alpha might be happening in A conference room with five people Not In a skyscraper With five hundred.
- 16:42Speaker 1: That's great to chew on.
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