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Mom Lindsay Clancy, "Male Voice" Told Me to Kill, 3 Tots Dead · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Bomb shell tonight in the case of a so called
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Speaker 1: loving mom Lindsey Clancy, who now reveals a male voice
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Speaker 1: ordered her to kill her three tots. This as video
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Speaker 1: and photos emerge of her ex canoonling with his new
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Speaker 1: wife while heartbreaking testimony unfolds in court. Good evening, I
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is crime stories. I want to thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. Three little tots, one an infant,
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Speaker 1: all found strangled dead by mommy.
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Speaker 2: And my closing argument would be she did this because
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Speaker 2: and the jury's going to fill that answer that blank.
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Speaker 3: In with she was crazy, she was psychotic, she was
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Speaker 3: mentally insane.
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Speaker 4: Summer's Street, following the police party across the top.
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Speaker 2: Floor of the house, players as well, and.
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Speaker 4: Neck injuries and that collaborations.
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Speaker 5: She's conscious at this time.
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Speaker 4: We're gonna check with my plate, who is over twenty football.
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Speaker 5: It's unknown where the knife is or whatever she used
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Speaker 5: to split her. She's in the looks like they're pinging
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Speaker 5: around the back. Well, uh get that she did.
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Speaker 4: Use a knife at first. Unknown where that is at
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Speaker 4: this time?
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Speaker 2: Name your house.
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Speaker 4: I'm on the way where with the county on the.
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Speaker 1: Chilling nine to one one audio plate in front of
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Speaker 1: a jury. Now we understand that loving Mom, so called
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Speaker 1: Loving Mom Lindsey Clancy states that a male voice ordered
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Speaker 1: her to kill Why always a male voice that said
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Speaker 1: in the last hours video and steel photos emerge off
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Speaker 1: her ex husband canoonling with his new wife as the
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Speaker 1: heart breaking testimony unfolds in a court of law. This
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Speaker 1: is from our friend Harvey Levin at t m Z.
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Speaker 1: Now hold that just one moment to Shannon Hill, star
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Speaker 1: of Shannon Hill News on instance, Shannon, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. There have been a lot of conspiracy
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Speaker 1: theories about the husband really did it? But first tell
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Speaker 1: me what I'm seeing in this steal? Can I see
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Speaker 1: the steal from our friends at TMZ again, please Nancy.
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Speaker 2: That photo right there is of Patrick Clancy and doctor
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Speaker 2: Rachel danis not to be confused with Lindsay Clancy because
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Speaker 2: a lot of people online are saying that those two
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Speaker 2: ladies look a lot alike.
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Speaker 1: So where are they, Shannon Hill. They look to be
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Speaker 1: out on a patio somewhere canoodling.
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Speaker 2: They look to be out in New York where I
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Speaker 2: believe that they were seen just today, maybe out on
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Speaker 2: a date. They are wearing sneakers and are just pretty casually.
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Speaker 2: Perhaps they went for a workout beforehand. They're both known
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Speaker 2: to be runners.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so in New York one has on sneakers or
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Speaker 1: running shoes. Patrick Clancy nothing, Dave Mack joining us, I'm
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Speaker 1: getting to a male voice allegedly ordering Lindsay Clancy to
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Speaker 1: kill her children. Dave Mack. I was accosted in Walmart yesterday,
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Speaker 1: attacked verbally because I'm not reporting the truth about Lindsay Clancy.
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Speaker 1: Dave Mack, what can you tell me before we get
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Speaker 1: to those theories. What can you tell me about this
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Speaker 1: photo we're seeing and it was reported as getting up
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Speaker 1: close and personal canoodling. What are we seeing, Dave mac
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Speaker 1: In this still photo.
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Speaker 4: You're seeing Patrick Clancy having moved on with his life
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Speaker 4: after one of the most devastating things any person can imagine.
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Speaker 4: You know, he has moved on and married. He's married
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Speaker 4: a woman who is a fertility specialist, and you see
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Speaker 4: them together as a couple, and to be honest, they're
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Speaker 4: in the first few years of their marriage, so yeah,
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Speaker 4: they're going to be a little affectionate outwardly. And this
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Speaker 4: is just a man, Dave.
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Speaker 1: I think the uproar is that the canoeling is happening
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Speaker 1: as this testimony in regarding the murders a legend murders
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Speaker 1: of his three children is unfolding in a court of law.
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Speaker 1: To doctor Jerlyn Utter, joining US clinical psychologist specializing in
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Speaker 1: psychological evaluations and risk assessments for individuals in the criminal
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Speaker 1: justice system, author of main lining Philly Survival Hope Resisting
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Speaker 1: Drug Addiction, also After Shock, How Pastive Shake Up Your
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Speaker 1: Life Today. She produces Utter Nonsense, a documentary, Doctor Jerlyn,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Shannon and Dave. Shannon
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Speaker 1: Hill and Dave Mack have pointed out something very interesting.
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Speaker 1: This is anecdotal, but I've noticed the similarity in his
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Speaker 1: new wife physically and Lindsey Clancy. And we've seen that
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Speaker 1: happen over and over and over. Men seem to marry
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Speaker 1: women that looked like the last wife or the last girlfriend.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, doctor Jerlyn Utter, I actually
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Speaker 1: use that in court. I had a serial killer, was
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Speaker 1: going to get him on one charge, very wily, and
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Speaker 1: the victim was strangled dead somehow I found oh, I
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Speaker 1: remember how it was in a police report where he
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Speaker 1: had strangled a previous girlfriend, the mother of one of
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Speaker 1: his children. I found her finally. When I finally found her,
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Speaker 1: she answered the door and I was like, she looked
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Speaker 1: just like the dead victim. It was uncanny, And I
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Speaker 1: remember when I saw the girlfriend. I had a sketch
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Speaker 1: artist draw the victim the dead victim as she would
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Speaker 1: have appeared in life, and showed it to the jury.
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Speaker 1: I rolled back one and then rolled back the other.
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Speaker 1: It was like the courtroom as quiet as you can imagine.
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Speaker 1: You could have heard a pin drop. So what is
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Speaker 1: that phenomena? I'm asking Let me be more specific, let
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Speaker 1: me rephrase and refine my question why the man always
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Speaker 1: pick out lookalikes?
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Speaker 6: I mean, I got your question the first time. He
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Speaker 6: has a type. We all have a type, whether you're
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Speaker 6: doing bad things or hurting that person at the end.
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Speaker 6: He has a type. And his type looks to me
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Speaker 6: to be women that have darker hair and darker eyes
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Speaker 6: and then are slim build and they are athletic. To
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Speaker 6: my knowledge, I believe both Lindsay and whose new wife
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Speaker 6: are runners. So he has a type. I mean, it's
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Speaker 6: just indicative of what he prefers and what he's attracted
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Speaker 6: to and what he likes.
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Speaker 1: You know. Another issue to Shannon Hill joining us. She
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Speaker 1: is the host of Shannon Hill News Shannon. They also
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Speaker 1: have other similarities, such as aren't they both involved in pediatrics?
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Speaker 2: Yes, they are both in the medical field. I believe
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Speaker 2: that doctor Rachel Danis is an OBGYN doctor and Lindsey
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Speaker 2: Fancy was a labor and deliveries nurse. So they are
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Speaker 2: both from a sort of similar field. But on top
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Speaker 2: of that, like your other guest was saying, they are
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Speaker 2: both runners, very athletic, and they do strike a very
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Speaker 2: similar resemblance to one another.
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Speaker 1: Interesting. Of course, that's not probative. That's nothing I can
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Speaker 1: take to a jury in this case. It doesn't really
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Speaker 1: prove anything. It's just an interesting point. In this case.
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Speaker 1: You know, they that Patrick Clancy is canoodling with his
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Speaker 1: new wife, and that's certainly not a felony. But then
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Speaker 1: there's a video painting an entirely different picture. Let's see
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Speaker 1: the video of Patrick Clancy and the new wife. Look
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Speaker 1: at this, She's on the phone. He was observed pacing
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Speaker 1: back and forth shortly after the photo was taken, and
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Speaker 1: he's sending texts and actually to me looks very tense,
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Speaker 1: not canoodling or making out at all. So to you
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt, Crime Story's investigative reporter. Guys, this is from
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Speaker 1: Harvey Levin over at TMZ. Let's stay on it because
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt is about to describe other things that have
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Speaker 1: been observed. For instance, how and the hay did they
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Speaker 1: even get this picture? They're clearly on a high They're
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Speaker 1: on a high rise completely enclosed, uh patio. How in
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Speaker 1: the world, Dave Matt, how did this happen?
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Speaker 4: Because everybody has a phone in their hand or has
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Speaker 4: a camera in their phone in their hands. But Nancy,
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Speaker 4: the part about this that is really getting people's goats
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Speaker 4: isn't that they think Patrick Clancy did anything with regard
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Speaker 4: to Lindsey or his children, But it's the timing of
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Speaker 4: it all. I mean, we have been following this trial
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Speaker 4: and millions of people have, and we're hearing the most
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Speaker 4: horrific things being described in court and being set out loud,
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Speaker 4: and this just really shows a tone death thing towards
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Speaker 4: the whole thing. These are his children that are being
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Speaker 4: talked about, and here he is sitting, you know, out
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Speaker 4: in public with his new wife who looks like his
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Speaker 4: old wife who's on trial. And that's the problem that
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Speaker 4: people see with this now. I find it fascinating that
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Speaker 4: we have shots of them ca noodling. But the shot
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Speaker 4: you're talking about where they're both on their phones, it's
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Speaker 4: like a thirty minute long window, Nancy, where they're constantly
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Speaker 4: on their phones. And to be honest with you, if
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Speaker 4: you didn't know, you'd think they were in some type
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Speaker 4: of an argument or disagreement. And I think it's people
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Speaker 4: are saying, hey, you got a bad look going on here.
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Speaker 4: Y'all need to just go stay quiet, stay out of
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Speaker 4: the public view for a little while at least day.
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Speaker 1: I really hate to cut you off, I really do.
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Speaker 1: Do you have even a scintilla that means shred of
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Speaker 1: evidence to support what you're saying about what they could
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Speaker 1: possibly be talking about on the phone, Not one bit
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Speaker 1: except no, okay, thank you, Okay, I'm going to limit
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Speaker 1: you to yes nos for the next few moments. So
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Speaker 1: you have extrapolated that they're arguing with each other and
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Speaker 1: he's texting and she's on the phone. So you also
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Speaker 1: stated that they're out in public. They're not in public.
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Speaker 1: They're obviously in a private patio setting. Let me see
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Speaker 1: the steal again, please, I mean, for Pete's sake, Patrick
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Speaker 1: Clancy has his shoes off. He is not in public.
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Speaker 1: That no, they're wearing the same clothes they're wearing in
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Speaker 1: the video. He has his shoes off. They are not
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Speaker 1: in public. So I don't know what you think the
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Speaker 1: felony is that they are there together in quote public,
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Speaker 1: which they're not. But the other thing that is concerning,
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Speaker 1: and the reason I say this out to Marie Pereira
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Speaker 1: joining US criminal defense attorney. She's also a domestic violence
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Speaker 1: expert and she's a registered nurse to boot. Marie, go
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Speaker 1: with me for just one moment them hugging, sitting together.
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Speaker 1: I don't care. I think the public is reacting because
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Speaker 1: very upsetting testimony is unfolding in court. All I care about,
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Speaker 1: as you know, because we've discussed it off air, is
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Speaker 1: what does it prove. That's how I look at the world.
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Speaker 1: The video and the still prove nothing about what happened
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Speaker 1: to the three children. Let's see the shots of him
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Speaker 1: in the pharmacy. Please control room, because you know, as
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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I had to go to the
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Speaker 1: doctor early early this morning. One of the physicians assistants
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Speaker 1: came up to me and just said, Lindsey Clancy, I'm like,
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Speaker 1: let me just stop you right there. The husband didn't
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Speaker 1: do it, okay, because pings video, the pings on his phone,
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Speaker 1: the video here and other places his GPS, the in
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Speaker 1: his car, the pickup time of the dinner his wife wanted.
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Speaker 1: It all places him outside the home at the time
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Speaker 1: the children were murdered. And I'm going to circle back
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Speaker 1: to doctor Kendall Crowns to determine how long can we
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Speaker 1: tell the children had been murdered. It's scientifically proven what
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Speaker 1: time he was away from the home, and the medical
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Speaker 1: examiner can state what time the children were killed. He
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Speaker 1: pulls up, he sees his wife, and he and me
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Speaker 1: calls nine one one, seeing her before he sees the children.
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Speaker 3: I think this is the most ridiculous conspiracy theory, and
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Speaker 3: I don't think that it's going to seep into the
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Speaker 3: hands of the jury because who does that. Who believes
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Speaker 3: something like that when all of the evidence, like you said, Nancy,
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Speaker 3: shows that he was away from the scene of this
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Speaker 3: gainous tragedy.
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Speaker 1: Tracy Brown is joining us out of Boulder, body language expert,
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Speaker 1: behavior analyst, trained alongside law enforcement and special forces. She's
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Speaker 1: author of multiple books, most notably How to Detect lies,
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Speaker 1: fraud and identity theft, and you can find her at
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Speaker 1: Body Language trainer dot com. Tracy, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us.
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Speaker 7: Hey, thanks for having me.
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Speaker 1: Tracy. Tonight, i'd like you to look at certain moments
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Speaker 1: in court caped in court because we're talking about what
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Speaker 1: is seeping into the minds of the Gurrars. Well, they're
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Speaker 1: certainly trained on Lindsey Clancy. Let's take a look. Okay,
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Speaker 1: here we go, Tracy. Here is surveillance video of Clancy
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Speaker 1: at a museum with her children two weeks before the murder.
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Speaker 7: We see a lot from Patrick here that's really interesting,
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Speaker 7: and I think he is I think he's really disengaged.
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Speaker 7: I think he's really bored. You see him kicking his
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Speaker 7: legs around and right here you see him put his
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Speaker 7: hands over the top of his head right there. That's
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Speaker 7: actually called the prisoner move. So he wants out of
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Speaker 7: there and he knows he is stuck. So this isn't
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Speaker 7: the most engaged moment as a dad that you can have.
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Speaker 7: Now Here's the thing. It doesn't look very exciting anyway,
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Speaker 7: Like I think a lot of us would be disengaged here.
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Speaker 7: But he's been showing these these signs there he is
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Speaker 7: checking his phone.
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Speaker 1: Like he is not. Okay, now, see, I see it
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Speaker 1: completely differently. I've seen so many absentee dads, deadbeat dads,
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Speaker 1: killer dads. List goes on. Let me see that video again. Okay,
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Speaker 1: he's there, Okay, he does. He looks detached. She's got
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Speaker 1: all the children. He's just standing there like an impartial observer. Okay,
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Speaker 1: now he's got one of the children with him. He
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Speaker 1: tousles his hair. That's a loving sign to me. And Okay,
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Speaker 1: there he is looking at his phone. But I mean
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Speaker 1: everyone is guilty of that. I think that's a nonverbal
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Speaker 1: sign right there with his hands locked behind his head.
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Speaker 1: But I don't know what it means. He can't really
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Speaker 1: engage with Callum because Callum is attached to the mom.
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Speaker 1: So I just see it as a dad who maybe
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Speaker 1: would like to be somewhere else. I don't know how
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Speaker 1: long he has been there, but he's still sticking with
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Speaker 1: the family. He's not out front, spoken a cigarette across
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Speaker 1: the street. You see what I mean, Tracy, that was true.
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Speaker 7: He showed up in body, but he wants out of
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Speaker 7: there as quick as he can. And that that's that
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Speaker 7: head the head hands over the head, that's a prisoner.
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Speaker 7: That means you're That means you're feeling trapped.
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Speaker 1: That actually makes a lot of sense. I'm thinking back
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Speaker 1: to moments I have used that same gesticulation. That makes sense. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's see our next video of Lindsey Clancy reacting to
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Speaker 1: her husband.
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Speaker 7: What do you see here, Tracy, Well, this is the
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Speaker 7: first time she's seen him in court, presumably in a
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Speaker 7: long time, and her she is under deep stress. Now
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Speaker 7: she's really hard to read because she's paralyzed from the
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Speaker 7: waist down, and and that restricts, I mean, it eliminates
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Speaker 7: a lot of movements that we would normally see. Now
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Speaker 7: here's what's interesting to me is that she licks her
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Speaker 7: lips four times before he even says a word. It
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Speaker 7: could be a lip grooming, so she's trying to look better.
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Speaker 7: It could be that she's really stressed, or it could
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Speaker 7: be that she's really angry. Okay, so you have all
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Speaker 7: of those, and it could be a combo of all
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Speaker 7: of those. Right there. Now she does something.
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Speaker 1: Else with her eyebrows.
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Speaker 7: Now, the forehead is the billboard, the eyebrows are the writing,
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Speaker 7: and so we want to look for small, small, little
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Speaker 7: movements in that writing to understand what emotions are really
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Speaker 7: going on. And we start to see the medial that's
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Speaker 7: above your nose. The middle part of her eyebrows go up, Okay,
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Speaker 7: so that says there's sadness there. But then they start
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Speaker 7: to rise just a little bit, and so there can
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Speaker 7: be some fear and anxiety going on there too. So
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Speaker 7: she has a lot of emotions going on all at once,
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Speaker 7: even though she's really still. And like I said, she's
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Speaker 7: one of the hardest people to read that I've ever
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Speaker 7: had to do, just because of the paralyzation.
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Speaker 1: Let's see the video again, you know, to you, doctor
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Speaker 1: Jerlen Utter Utters a clinical psychologist. By the way, this
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Speaker 1: is from our friend Nate eating over at East Idaho
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Speaker 1: News in the courtroom every single day. To me, she
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Speaker 1: looks upset, she looks hurt. Maybe she's thinking about what
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Speaker 1: they had that she completely destroyed with the three murders.
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Speaker 1: Maybe she still loves him, he testified for the state,
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Speaker 1: as I recall, Maybe she sees it as some sort
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Speaker 1: of betrayal. She just looks very hurt and anxious, like
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Speaker 1: she doesn't know what's about to happen to Jeraline Utter,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Jerlyn Utter, you know, when you see your ex,
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Speaker 1: possibly for the first time in a long time, there
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Speaker 1: are floods of emotion, much less when you've killed his
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Speaker 1: three children.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I agree with you, Nancy, she definitely and Tracy,
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Speaker 6: she definitely looks like she is emotional. But when it
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Speaker 6: comes to reading the small gesticulations in her face, I
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Speaker 6: think one thing that we want to remember is that
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Speaker 6: she is on a variety of different psychiatric medications that
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Speaker 6: can cause something called tardive dyskinesia, and that is exactly
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Speaker 6: kind of what what she could be demonstrating, which is
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Speaker 6: the lip movements you have, like involuntary lip movements, brow movements.
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Speaker 6: So to Tracy's point, she's saying, she's hard to read,
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Speaker 6: and you know, we want we want to measure that
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Speaker 6: as a confounding factor. That the facial movements, you know,
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Speaker 6: the lips moving, that could be a side effect or
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Speaker 6: in averse event of medication. But she does look very
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Speaker 6: sad and upset. The thing that I noticed as well
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Speaker 6: is she seems to be looking straight ahead. I don't
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Speaker 6: know if she's looking exactly at him, but she can
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Speaker 6: also be depersonalizing and you know, kind of dissociating, checking
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Speaker 6: out in that moment, maybe not staring directly at him,
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Speaker 6: but around him, to try to manage some of her emotions,
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Speaker 6: even though she's clearly emoting a little bit the screen there.
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Speaker 2: As we can see.
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Speaker 1: Based on her reaction to him in court, I would
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Speaker 1: like to point out to doctor gerlen Utter when that happened,
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Speaker 1: the online response was overwhelming that somehow he was involved. Again,
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Speaker 1: she admits she killed her children. She has pled not
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Speaker 1: guilt n gb R, not guilty by reason of insanity,
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Speaker 1: which says which means I did it, but I was insane.
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Speaker 1: So let's be clear. She has pled not guilty by
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Speaker 1: reason of insanity. She admits she did it. Nobody's claiming
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Speaker 1: Patrick Clancy did this. But something about this video, something
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Speaker 1: about her reaction in court, has engendered a lot of sympathy,
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Speaker 1: a lot of empathy, and a lot of blaming Patrick Clancy.
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Speaker 1: Why you know what, let me go to Shannon Hill
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Speaker 1: on that start Shannon Hill News. What is this just
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Speaker 1: groundswell of hatred toward the husband and empathy toward her.
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Speaker 2: I think it really started off with the surveillance footage
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Speaker 2: found in CBS that night, as well as the three
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Speaker 2: V restaurant, the online slews are claiming that Patrick Fancy
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Speaker 2: changed his clothes between the time he went to CBS
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Speaker 2: and the time he went to three V Restaurant, and
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Speaker 2: this is where all of the rumors began. But if
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Speaker 2: you look very closely at the footage from three V
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Speaker 2: and CBS, the three V footage is a little clearer
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Speaker 2: and more concise, whereas the CBS footage is a little
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Speaker 2: more grainier. So you're seeing something that might look a
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Speaker 2: little different in the next surveillance footage because they're completely
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Speaker 2: different qualities, different lighting, different side profile.
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Speaker 1: Shannon Hill Star off Shannon Hill News. I want to
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Speaker 1: explore what you just said, because if the jury has
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Speaker 1: both of these videos back in the jury deliberation room,
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Speaker 1: they could very well come up with the same argument
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Speaker 1: you're talking about. I have sent exhibits back to juries
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Speaker 1: before and they come up with the craziest notions about
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Speaker 1: what the Here's a great example when I would do
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Speaker 1: fingerprint comparisons, I would like I would always make individual postcards,
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Speaker 1: postcards of the laminated you know, shiny type, like a
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Speaker 1: shiny postcard you would get about that big and I
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Speaker 1: would have the known print, in other words, your finger print.
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Speaker 1: Shannon hill enlarged black and white. And then I would
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Speaker 1: have the latent l A T E N T print
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Speaker 1: on the other side, the print that was taken from
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Speaker 1: the scene or wherever off the body from the scene,
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Speaker 1: right beside each other, and I would have the points
23:00
Speaker 1: of comparison circled in red, not so small of a
23:05
Speaker 1: circle that it obscured the actual comparison for you to
23:08
Speaker 1: look at it. But here are the twelve similarities. I
23:15
Speaker 1: had one jury go back there and convince they had
23:19
Speaker 1: to convince one's gerrr that the two prints were not different,
23:25
Speaker 1: because that jurr saw some line differently than everybody else
23:28
Speaker 1: did and was convinced there was a frame up. So
23:32
Speaker 1: you never know what gurrrs are going to do with
23:36
Speaker 1: exhibits that you send back to them. All right, so
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you again, Shanny, you brought that up. Let's
23:42
Speaker 1: look at the video Patrick Clancy coming into the restaurant
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Speaker 1: three V and you're right, Shannon, you're looking through glass
23:53
Speaker 1: now you see him and looks like he's wearing a
23:54
Speaker 1: zip up peacoat jeans, brown shoes. Let's see if I
24:01
Speaker 1: can determine anything else not yet coming in. Okay, it
24:06
Speaker 1: looks like, well, no, that's a zipper from his pea coat. Okay,
24:10
Speaker 1: let's look. Yeah, there I see the shirt. Thank you
24:13
Speaker 1: for doing that. Control room. I saw a little bit
24:16
Speaker 1: of the top of the shirt. Let's see that one
24:18
Speaker 1: more time. Here he comes, here, he comes, here, he comes,
24:25
Speaker 1: and there there's a shirt. Okay. I've even had people
24:30
Speaker 1: claiming he's flirting with the lady who brings the bag.
24:34
Speaker 1: I mean, people, stop. Let's see the pharmacy video. Okay, yep,
24:43
Speaker 1: same thing he's wearing, the same thing. His coat is
24:48
Speaker 1: zipped up. To Dave mac if you know what are
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Speaker 1: the time stamps on the CVS and the restaurant video.
24:59
Speaker 1: How far apart are they from same brown shoes? One
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Speaker 1: point five miles. That is helpful, Thank you. Hold on, Dave,
25:07
Speaker 1: I've got it. He leaves the Clancy home five point
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Speaker 1: fifteen CVS Five thirty two, three V restaurant five forty five,
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Speaker 1: So that's thirteen minutes later. So what somebody wants to
25:20
Speaker 1: argue between five thirty two and five forty five He
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Speaker 1: left CV as, went home, murdered three children, left and
25:27
Speaker 1: came back to three V at five forty five, and
25:31
Speaker 1: then he's home at six' oh. Nine, no that did not. Happen, so,
25:36
Speaker 1: Okay Shannon, hill do you think we put the change
25:39
Speaker 1: of clothes issue to? Sleep or is it that there
25:44
Speaker 1: and start walking amongst us?
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Speaker 2: WHAT i think that the change of clothes never. HAPPENED i,
25:49
Speaker 2: think like like we said, EARLIER i think it's different,
25:51
Speaker 2: angles different quality of surveillance. FOOTAGE i think on one
25:54
Speaker 2: angle it looks like he's wearing sneakers at the THREE v,
25:57
Speaker 2: restaurant but then from another angle AT, cbs it almost
26:00
Speaker 2: looks like. Boots but again the quality is a little.
26:03
Speaker 2: Grayer in that footage from THREE V, restaurant it looks
26:07
Speaker 2: like he's wearing a full zip, coat but in that
26:10
Speaker 2: second footage FROM cbs it looks like it's only a partial.
26:13
Speaker 2: Zip but, again this is quality versus actual what we're
26:18
Speaker 2: seeing in real, life AND i.
26:20
Speaker 1: Think the partial zip could that possibly bay his shirt underneath? It,
26:25
Speaker 1: okay they're the same clothes as far AS i can.
26:27
Speaker 1: See i'm Hearing marie periiro monts. In, Okay marie jump.
26:31
Speaker 3: In i'm really upset that we are paying so much
26:34
Speaker 3: attention to this video because ALL i can think, is
26:37
Speaker 3: while he was picking up this food and going TO.
26:40
Speaker 3: Cbs his psychotic, wife who had a break with, reality
26:44
Speaker 3: was killing those. Kids that's ALL i see from the.
26:47
Speaker 4: Video so that's ALL i.
26:49
Speaker 3: See that woman was experiencing acute. Psychosis it was an.
26:55
Speaker 3: Emergency that's what a cute. Is it happened suddenly she
27:00
Speaker 3: had a break with, reality and she did heard a,
27:03
Speaker 3: voice a male, voice, whatever, voice telling her kill yourself
27:07
Speaker 3: and kill the. Kids she had no control of, it
27:10
Speaker 3: so therefore there was no, intent no intent because she
27:14
Speaker 3: couldn't control. Reality she had a break from. It she told,
27:19
Speaker 3: Everybody nancy what she's. FEELING i wouldn't have enough time
27:23
Speaker 3: to go through all of the witnesses who said, yes
27:27
Speaker 3: she said, THIS i want to hurt the. Kids she
27:29
Speaker 3: checked herself into every facility she. Could why are we even.
27:34
Speaker 3: Here she's not guilty by reason of. Insanity she could
27:38
Speaker 3: not be criminally responsible for this because of acute. Psychosis
27:44
Speaker 3: she's like the poster child for.
27:46
Speaker 1: It my, God, Marie i'm going to take a position on,
27:54
Speaker 1: this and here we. Go one, man this is the.
27:59
Speaker 1: Law either you OR i like it or, not this
28:02
Speaker 1: is the. Law the law is one may immediately regret the,
28:07
Speaker 1: deed but that does not negate intent at the time
28:10
Speaker 1: of the. Incident the law also is intent can be
28:14
Speaker 1: formed in the twinkling of a, moment the blink of an.
28:18
Speaker 1: Eye the time it takes you to pull a, trigger
28:20
Speaker 1: much less manually strangle three children with exercise. Bands that
28:24
Speaker 1: is time to form. Intents meinie argue that she got
28:31
Speaker 1: her husband out of the home intentionally so she could
28:34
Speaker 1: then kill the, children much As Andrea yates. Did this
28:39
Speaker 1: is WHAT i see happening in this. Case whether the
28:43
Speaker 1: state proves intent or. NOT i think we're going to
28:47
Speaker 1: have jury nullification because of everything you just. SAID i
28:52
Speaker 1: think people are going to feel horribly sorry For Lindsey.
28:56
Speaker 1: Clancy they're going to put their cells themselves in her.
28:59
Speaker 1: Shoes they're going to see her, paralyzed and they're going
29:04
Speaker 1: to acquit. Her is that going to? HAPPEN i don't,
29:06
Speaker 1: know but your argument is overwhelmingly. Compelling in, fact people
29:13
Speaker 1: have gotten so distressed about The Lindsay clancy case they
29:19
Speaker 1: are reenacting her from her. Window look at.
29:26
Speaker 8: This TikTokers are posting re enactment videos of them hanging
29:31
Speaker 8: out the window to prove That Lindsey clancy is. Innocent this.
29:34
Speaker 8: Weekend i've seen two different women hanging out of their own.
29:37
Speaker 8: Windows the first woman was hanging out of her two
29:39
Speaker 8: story window after putting blue dish soap on her wrist
29:42
Speaker 8: to show where the stains should have been If lindsay opened.
29:45
Speaker 1: It bridget airs ON, X i, mean you can see
29:50
Speaker 1: how vested people are in the outcome of this. Case
29:55
Speaker 1: To Tracy, brown take a look At Lindsey clancy grabbing
29:59
Speaker 1: her lawyer hands in. Court. Now this is during the
30:03
Speaker 1: testimony where the children's pajamas were. Shown she is looking,
30:07
Speaker 1: away clutching her lawyer's. Hands what does that? Mean what
30:12
Speaker 1: does that? Mean? Tracy, well she is looking for support.
30:16
Speaker 7: Here she grabbed his. Hand just a moment before. This
30:19
Speaker 7: his back was to her and he was looking at
30:21
Speaker 7: THE i mean is awful like little pants and little
30:24
Speaker 7: robes and things that the kids. Owned, now she probably
30:29
Speaker 7: grabbed his. Hands she cannot look at at the. Evidence,
30:33
Speaker 7: Okay so she's looking. Down her hair is in the
30:36
Speaker 7: way that is. Purposeful it may be, unconscious but it's
30:38
Speaker 7: purposely keeping her from even being able to glance over.
30:42
Speaker 7: There and through this trial he has been working to humanize,
30:48
Speaker 7: her and SO i think it's interesting that they that
30:52
Speaker 7: the camera went right over to her and in the
30:55
Speaker 7: in this, moment all of a, sudden, oh she's she's
30:58
Speaker 7: grabbed his. Hands so she's also crying in this.
31:00
Speaker 1: Moment and this next video we See Patrick clancy in.
31:09
Speaker 1: Court take a look At clancy in. Court he was
31:11
Speaker 1: the state's, witness but according to many, observers he helped the.
31:15
Speaker 1: Defense what are we seeing here in a, Nutshell Tracy,
31:19
Speaker 1: Brown we.
31:21
Speaker 7: Are seeing a guy who is not confident in his,
31:24
Speaker 7: answers and he's, itching he's scratching his. Baseline what's important
31:29
Speaker 7: here is that his baseline is completely different than when
31:34
Speaker 7: he's answering other. Questions and this is at the penulative
31:37
Speaker 7: time Of, hey what did, lindsay? Say where are the?
31:41
Speaker 7: Kids these? Things Now here's what's seeping into the juror's
31:44
Speaker 7: mind is that these little movements add up to one,
31:49
Speaker 7: thing and that is lack of. Confidence, okay as opposed
31:52
Speaker 7: to the first responders who, testified and we have that
31:57
Speaker 7: video as, well and then they are not, moving they
32:02
Speaker 7: are very resolute in their. Answers and so that's what's
32:07
Speaker 7: going on in the mind of the. Public that's what's
32:09
Speaker 7: going on in the mind of the, Jurors.
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Speaker 1: Dave mac, again let me, confirm. Didn't Lindsey clancy says
32:18
Speaker 1: she heard a male voice telling her to.
32:20
Speaker 4: Kill, yes that is exactly what she is now or
32:24
Speaker 4: they have claimed in, court is that you heard a
32:26
Speaker 4: male voice tell her to children and then. Herself not
32:32
Speaker 4: the first.
32:32
Speaker 1: Time Randy, santos who Rampays chinatown killing four sleeping. People Arena,
32:39
Speaker 1: zuritska the Beautiful ukrainian who sought a better life in our,
32:43
Speaker 1: country is murdered the, purp claiming he was told by
32:48
Speaker 1: a male voice to commit. Murder in The haskell family,
32:51
Speaker 1: Killings Ronald Lee haskell killed a whole family he heard
32:55
Speaker 1: a male voice Named. Joseph his voice even had a.
32:58
Speaker 1: Name Cheryllynn massive killed her six week old son after
33:04
Speaker 1: hearing a male. Voice Kiplund Philip kinkel at age, fifteen
33:10
Speaker 1: he perpetrated The Thurston High school Shooting, springfield shot and
33:17
Speaker 1: killed his parents inside their, home claiming he heard a
33:20
Speaker 1: male voice telling him to. Kill even the son Of
33:23
Speaker 1: Sam David berkowitz claim to hear male. Demons he later
33:29
Speaker 1: recanted that why is it always a, man Doctor? Jerald
33:34
Speaker 1: otherwise it always a male voice telling you to.
33:37
Speaker 6: Kill what's interesting is a lot of people may perceive
33:41
Speaker 6: male or the male gender as something that's more. Authoritative
33:44
Speaker 6: so In lindsay's, case if we speak specifically About, lindsay
33:48
Speaker 6: the fact that she heard a male voice made directly
33:51
Speaker 6: woman coourly.
33:52
Speaker 1: Woman look at the, stats, authority my rear in. Evil
33:58
Speaker 1: look at crime. Statistics how many women do you see
34:03
Speaker 1: doing school, shootings rampages through? Malls practically? ZERO a male
34:11
Speaker 1: voice is more. Threatening when you're jogging at nine o'clock
34:14
Speaker 1: at night and some, little, petite five foot one hundred
34:18
Speaker 1: pound lady comes up behind, you do you run and? Hide,
34:22
Speaker 1: no when you see a giant yi lumbering up behind,
34:26
Speaker 1: you you might turn around.
34:27
Speaker 5: And go the other.
34:27
Speaker 1: Way why? Threatening it's more, threatening it's.
34:31
Speaker 6: SCARY i, mean that could absolutely be the. Case but
34:36
Speaker 6: the other thing too THAT i just wanted to Mention
34:39
Speaker 6: nancy is we're talking about command to. Hallucinations so that
34:42
Speaker 6: means that this voice mail is telling her that she
34:46
Speaker 6: has to hurt her, children which is directly correlated to
34:49
Speaker 6: a psychotic, episode which should not be confused with just postpartum.
34:53
Speaker 6: Depression so she had postpartum depression with a psychotic episode
34:57
Speaker 6: and a command hallucination telling her to hurt her. Children
35:01
Speaker 6: and just one THING i just wanted to, Add, nancy
35:03
Speaker 6: we're talking About Patrick, clancy and we're talking about all
35:06
Speaker 6: these conspiracy theories to kind of tie it all together
35:09
Speaker 6: from a psychological, PERSPECTIVE i think one thing that's important
35:13
Speaker 6: for the public to understand is there's been a lot
35:15
Speaker 6: of evidence and talk about him not being the best,
35:19
Speaker 6: husband being a negligent, husband not helping her when she's
35:23
Speaker 6: a mental health, crisis not helping her in a time of.
35:25
Speaker 6: Need AND i think there's confusion about somebody who maybe
35:30
Speaker 6: was not a great husband and was a terrible husband
35:32
Speaker 6: and didn't help his wife versus a. Murderer AND i
35:35
Speaker 6: think those lines are being, blurred and it feels much
35:37
Speaker 6: better psychologically to believe that he did this compared To,
35:42
Speaker 6: lindsay who was you, know a labor and delivering. Her
35:45
Speaker 6: she's a beautiful young, woman she was a really good,
35:47
Speaker 6: mom and now she's in a. Wheelchair so that whole
35:49
Speaker 6: package together helps to feed all of the conspiracy out
35:53
Speaker 6: there About.
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