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The Bolt Report | 29 October · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Kiss the bold Robart.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight a nater title claim destroying an iconic open mining town.
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  Speaker 2: Plus Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump go from being friends
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  Speaker 2: they're threatening each other with nuclear weapons. How frightened should
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  Speaker 2: we be? And moves the van Protesters wearing masks like
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  Speaker 2: there were want to be terrorists and attack on free
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  Speaker 2: speech or just on idiots. Meanwhile, Ria Dejeniro cleans up
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  Speaker 2: ahead of a big climate conference there next week by
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  Speaker 2: launching and all out war against the local criminals.
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  Speaker 3: At least sixty four dead.
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  Speaker 2: But first, it turns out today that we're all little tomogoes.
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  Speaker 2: Are shock jump and inflation and why electricity prices. I
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  Speaker 2: say we're all little tomogoes because the big Tomago aluminium
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  Speaker 2: smelter in the Hunter Valley said this week it looks
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  Speaker 2: like closing because electricity prices they're soaring. Plus, of course
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  Speaker 2: the green energy that the government promised wasn't there. And
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  Speaker 2: now don't all of us today feel that same pain
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  Speaker 2: from the Albanezy government's disastrous green energy schemes.
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  Speaker 3: Today's inflation figures showed.
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  Speaker 2: Prices for the past three months jump much higher than
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  Speaker 2: most experts predicted, from two point one percent to three
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  Speaker 2: point two, and the rise virtually rules out any cut
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  Speaker 2: in interest rates when the Reserve Bank meets next week.
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  Speaker 2: And what pushed that inflation rates so high, well, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of it was because the electricity prices rocketed a
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  Speaker 2: massive nine percent. Now this is, of course, the exact
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  Speaker 2: opposite of what this government promised you three years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Back then it was going to cut your bills by
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  Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy five dollars, supposedly thanks to its
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  Speaker 2: brilliant green energy schemes.
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  Speaker 4: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars, by.
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  Speaker 3: Two hundred and seventy five.
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  Speaker 5: Dollars by twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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  Speaker 6: Two hundred and seventy five dollars a year.
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  Speaker 5: Two hundred and seventy five dollars a year.
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  Speaker 2: How much more evidence do you need that this government
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  Speaker 2: has no idea how much it's promised to cut admissions
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  Speaker 2: sent at zero but twenty fifty will actually cost, no
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  Speaker 2: idea of no interest in order to have a clue
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  Speaker 2: on how it.
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  Speaker 3: Will all be done.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you know, not one minister in this government
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  Speaker 2: has ever worked as a scientist or an engineer having
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  Speaker 2: to make things work, and doesn't it show this shock
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  Speaker 2: inflation figure. I reckon it should really help australiancy. Straight
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  Speaker 2: through the Treasure's terrific trick of seeming like he knows
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  Speaker 2: what he's doing when he actually had to admit today
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  Speaker 2: that voters are really hurting after three years of this government.
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  Speaker 5: Even with the very substantial and very sustained progress that
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  Speaker 5: we've made together on inflation, even with the progress that
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  Speaker 5: we've made on real wages, even with the progress we've
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  Speaker 5: made in the economy more broadly, a lot of Australians
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  Speaker 5: are still under pressure. I've acknowledged that, and that's reflected
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  Speaker 5: in the numbers today, mister Speaker as well.
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  Speaker 3: It's not just reflected in these inflation numbers.
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  Speaker 2: Are that last week's National accounts figures, they showed we're
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  Speaker 2: in real economic decline under this government, despite all its
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  Speaker 2: massive spending to pump up the economy, despite its mass
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  Speaker 2: migration to mass immigration. Our national GDP in blue in
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  Speaker 2: this graphic, well, it's kept flowing. But what you see
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  Speaker 2: in red is growth per person, how it actually feels
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  Speaker 2: to you, and on that measure, we are in recession.
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  Speaker 2: If you are feeling poorer, You are not alone. But
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  Speaker 2: Jim Charmers, instead of taking blame for all this pain today,
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  Speaker 2: attacked the Liberals and Nationals instead with this transparently dodgy
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  Speaker 2: excuse for today's terrible inflation figures.
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  Speaker 5: Inflation is higher than we like, but it is around
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  Speaker 5: half what we inherited from those opposites.
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  Speaker 2: Well, no kidding, Sherlock, that inflation three and a half
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  Speaker 2: years ago is actually because the Liberal Morrison government had
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  Speaker 2: spent madly during the pandemic lockdowns to keep businesses open
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  Speaker 2: and Australians at work. And at the same time, this
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  Speaker 2: very same Jim Charmers was complaining that the Liberals still
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  Speaker 2: weren't spending enough, which makes me wonder how much higher
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  Speaker 2: would inflation have been had they listened to him. But
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  Speaker 2: back to this inflation, especially this huge jump in power prices. Now,
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  Speaker 2: what is so frightening is that Chris Bowen, the Energy
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  Speaker 2: and Climate Change Minister, actually claims the tom Ago disaster,
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  Speaker 2: the smelter wrecked by high power prices, simply proves we
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  Speaker 2: need even more of what's already killing our heavy industry,
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  Speaker 2: even more of his wind and solar plants.
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  Speaker 4: We need more of the cheap, estimational liable energy for our.
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  Speaker 3: Break Chris Bowen pants pants on fire that blug Now.
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  Speaker 2: Usually remember something whenever you hear Bowen's talk so certainly
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  Speaker 2: that he is doing a perfect job and all his
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  Speaker 2: critics are idiots, and the utter conviction he says that, Well,
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  Speaker 2: he showed that same conviction when he was Immigration Minister
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  Speaker 2: for two years under the Gelade Labor government, claiming he
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  Speaker 2: knew how to stop the boatloads of illegal immigrants and
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  Speaker 2: that Tony Abbott he was a fool. In fact, as
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  Speaker 2: you well know, Bowen let in nearly four hundred boats.
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  Speaker 2: It took Abbott as Prime Minister to finally stop them.
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  Speaker 2: And now Bone's there in another portfolio, making an absolute
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  Speaker 2: pig breakfast another one. Now, something Bowen somehow can't compute
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  Speaker 2: is that the more wind and soul that we get,
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  Speaker 2: the more prices rise. As you have seen, he still
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  Speaker 2: doesn't get that even though most of our big smelters,
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  Speaker 2: which are huge users of electricity, most of them are
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  Speaker 2: at death's dow now demanding massive government handout sustained business.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't get all that.
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  Speaker 2: Somehow, Bowen has also missed the evidence that this link
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  Speaker 2: that the more wind and soul you have the higher
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  Speaker 2: electricity prices tend to be is through almost everywhere in
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  Speaker 2: the world, so instead you just hear him rab it
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  Speaker 2: on about how wind and solar are the cheapest and
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  Speaker 2: most reliable energy when wind and solar are so obviously
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  Speaker 2: not reliable, so obviously the most unreliable power.
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  Speaker 3: You can get.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, hello, they don't work when there's no sun
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  Speaker 2: and no wind. They only produce power when nature decides
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  Speaker 2: and not when you might actually need it. And that's
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  Speaker 2: also exactly one of the big reasons why they're also
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  Speaker 2: not the cheapest power because obviously they need backup a
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  Speaker 2: whole second power system effectively to take over when the
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  Speaker 2: wind does die and the sun does them. For instance,
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  Speaker 2: when I checked the breakfast this morning, wind and solar
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  Speaker 2: power is producing less than ten percent of australias an electricity.
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  Speaker 2: Where do you think the rest of it to come from?
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  Speaker 2: Wind and solar plants also need a lot more poles
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  Speaker 2: than wires to join them all to the grid, and
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  Speaker 2: they're all over the country, so that costs billions more
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  Speaker 2: and you again pay because tolls and wires make up
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  Speaker 2: forty five percent of your electricity bills.
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  Speaker 3: Now These are basic.
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  Speaker 2: Facts, scientific facts, engineering facts, the Albany's. The government seems
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  Speaker 2: to be at war with and that's why we are
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  Speaker 2: all locked into forever paying more for our power and
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  Speaker 2: for nothing, because whatever we do here makes virtually no
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  Speaker 2: difference at all to our temperature. But it sure is
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  Speaker 2: making a difference to your cost of living. And for
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  Speaker 2: the painful worse joining me is Scary's business editor, Ross Greenwood. Ross,
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  Speaker 2: great to see you again. Today's inflation figure headline inflation
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  Speaker 2: up from two point one percent to three point two
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  Speaker 2: How bad is that?
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  Speaker 3: It's not good?
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  Speaker 1: And the one that the Reserve Bank watches is underlying inflation,
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  Speaker 1: the so called trim mean, and that's jumped to three percent.
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  Speaker 1: Now that's the first time since basically late twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: three when that's risen in the way in which it
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  Speaker 1: has here, and it gives the Reserve Bank significant pause
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  Speaker 1: in regards to interest rates. The reason for that is
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  Speaker 1: that they had forecast in this September quarter for the
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  Speaker 1: quarterly inflation under the trim mean to be point six
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  Speaker 1: of a percent. They said a miss, in other words,
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  Speaker 1: if they realized their forecast was badly wrong. The Reserve
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  Speaker 1: Bank governor last night said it would be point nine percent.
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  Speaker 1: It came out worse than that at one percent. And
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  Speaker 1: so that's the real message as to why markets fell today.
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  Speaker 1: The stock market fell, money market interest rates went up,
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  Speaker 1: and the odds of a rate cut next Tuesday dropped
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  Speaker 1: from about forty percent down to just ten percent. And
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  Speaker 1: so really this is the recipe of what's taken place.
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  Speaker 3: And Andrew, I've.
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  Speaker 1: Got to tell you the real sole cause of most
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  Speaker 1: of the inflation that's been there is energy prices, which
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  Speaker 1: of course sits right squeadly at the feet of the government.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I know.
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  Speaker 2: And the government was making excuses like, oh, well, look,
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  Speaker 2: you know the subsidies to the governments have been paying
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  Speaker 2: state and federal to sort of hide the fact that
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  Speaker 2: the electricity costs are going up and up and up.
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  Speaker 2: Those subsidies ran out, and so of course prices was
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  Speaker 2: going to go up. But even if you factored that in,
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  Speaker 2: what would prices have gone up without the subsidies.
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  Speaker 1: So if you've taken the subsidies out, So with what
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  Speaker 1: happened with subsidies and that was state government subsidies and
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  Speaker 1: they came out some of them, and so the prices
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  Speaker 1: on average rose over the past year twenty three percent.
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  Speaker 3: Now, if you had ignored all of.
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  Speaker 1: Those subsidies, the prices would have still risen five point
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  Speaker 1: nine percent. Now, given that inflation has come in at
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  Speaker 1: three point two percent, you can see that energy prices
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  Speaker 1: are almost twice what the general rate of inflation is.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: This is where really again, the whole fallacy that we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be able to control the price of energy
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  Speaker 1: is just a fallacy, and it's affecting industry. If you
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  Speaker 1: have a look at all of the major metals you
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  Speaker 1: know sort of processes right now, it doesn't matter whether
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  Speaker 1: you get the wireless steel works, whether you go to
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  Speaker 1: the Mountis a copper smelter, whether you get a near
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  Speaker 1: Star which is lead and sinc in both Tasmania and
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  Speaker 1: also in South Australia, you go to all of these
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  Speaker 1: and you realize they're in the hands of the government.
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  Speaker 1: They're basically having to subsidize them to stay alive. The
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  Speaker 1: latest one that Tomago Eumdian smelter, and in every case
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  Speaker 1: it's exactly the same reason as to why they're basically
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  Speaker 1: on life support, and that is energy prices. So it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter whether you're a household coping with rising bills
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  Speaker 1: or industry, which is it's about energy prices. And yet
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  Speaker 1: government still keeps on trying to claim that prices somehow
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  Speaker 1: are coming down, which quite clearly impatently they're not.
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  Speaker 2: What a joke, I mean, how can they keep claiming,
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  Speaker 2: you know, oh, we're giving you the cheapest form of energy,
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  Speaker 2: there is more and more of it, and prices go
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  Speaker 2: up and up. And how they then figure that what
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  Speaker 2: they're telling us is a bunch of lives and they've
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  Speaker 2: going to go back to the drawing board. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's just so insane now looking at all these things
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about. You know, the high electricity prices et cetera,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera. Isn't cutting them now the most critical thing
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  Speaker 2: the government could do for business and the cost of
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  Speaker 2: living in Australia. You know, forget the global warming malarkey,
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  Speaker 2: cut energy prices or we really are in trouble.
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  Speaker 1: Look, the reality is, it doesn't matter what form of
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  Speaker 1: electricity you use, be that wind or solar, or be
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  Speaker 1: that gas which is absolutely vital, or hydro. It's just
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  Speaker 1: that the nation needs more of it right now, and
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  Speaker 1: the easiest form of electricity Australia you can probably create
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  Speaker 1: relatively quickly is going to be gas five power stations,
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  Speaker 1: and for that you need more pipelines, more approvals. You
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  Speaker 1: don't need any delay in any of this, Otherwise you're
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  Speaker 1: going to see the electricity prices go even further from
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  Speaker 1: here higher from here. That means more industry is either
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  Speaker 1: subsidized with your taxpayer dollars or it simply disappears, which
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  Speaker 1: means Australia then has sovereign risk by not being able
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  Speaker 1: to produce steel or aliuminium, or indeed a whole range
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  Speaker 1: of other products that we otherwise would make.
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  Speaker 3: And it's just.
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  Speaker 1: Really interesting to note the man who runs the biggest
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  Speaker 1: company in the world right now, Jensen Wang from Nvidia,
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  Speaker 1: basically is said overnight that the fact that Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: has invested so much to give Americans cheap electricity, cheaper
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  Speaker 1: energy really is the key to the United States being
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  Speaker 1: the leader in artificial intelligence. Now, Australia wants to be
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  Speaker 1: a leader in artificial intelligence, but it will be hamstrung
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  Speaker 1: in that effort if we don't have much cheaper electricity.
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  Speaker 1: When I speak to people who are chief executives, are
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  Speaker 1: big company steel companies, brickmakers here in Australia and who've
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  Speaker 1: got operations.
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  Speaker 3: In the United States.
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  Speaker 1: They all tell me that energy price is there for
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  Speaker 1: industry is a third of the.
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  Speaker 3: Price of Australia.
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  Speaker 1: That is a competitive advantage that Americas have got that
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  Speaker 1: Australia needs to rediscover.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the government also now wants to be in
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  Speaker 2: the rare earth's production business, and that also requires huge
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  Speaker 2: amounts of electricity. And I tell you what, you're right,
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  Speaker 2: we need gas is the quickest way of getting us
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  Speaker 2: electricity we need. But this is not a problem that
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  Speaker 2: will stop in ten years. Demand for electricity will keep
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  Speaker 2: on going. And the government's looking like a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: idiots for ruling out nuclear power. Absolute idiots for ruling
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  Speaker 2: that out too. Ross Green would thank you so much,
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  Speaker 2: indeed for your time.
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  Speaker 3: Quite okay, Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: You know there's something bizarre going on between Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: and Vladimir Putin that in a normal world would have
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  Speaker 2: us freaking.
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  Speaker 3: These two guys are spent.
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  Speaker 2: This week threatening each other with nuclear weapons. On Sunday,
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  Speaker 2: Putin the Russian president posing army fatigues to announce Russia
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  Speaker 2: and successfully tested a new nuclear powered missile which are
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  Speaker 2: called Invincible.
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  Speaker 1: On nuclear deterrent is at the highest level. It's probably
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  Speaker 1: no exaggeration to say that it's at least higher than
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  Speaker 1: that of all nuclear states.
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  Speaker 2: This is a nuclear powered, nuclear armed missile that Putin
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  Speaker 2: claims was tested, flying for more than eight thousand miles
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  Speaker 2: and can be steered up and down, side to side,
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  Speaker 2: and loiter over targets before attacking them from any direction.
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  Speaker 2: But on Monday, the US President hit back at Putin's
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  Speaker 2: obvious saber rattling with his own nuclear threat, demanding Putin
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  Speaker 2: end his war on Ukraine. They know we have a
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  Speaker 2: nuclears operating the greatest of the world right off they're shore,
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  Speaker 2: So I mean, does it have to go.
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  Speaker 3: Eight thousand miles?
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  Speaker 2: And Putin responded by formally pulling Russia out of an
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  Speaker 2: agreement to turn plutonium for missiles into energy for nuclear reactors. Now, look,
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  Speaker 2: there are, of course reasons to dismiss Putin's latest threats,
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  Speaker 2: his threat in nuclear war before experts reckon his new
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  Speaker 2: missile can still be shot down.
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  Speaker 3: But he is now desperate.
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  Speaker 2: Putin's lost a thousand soldiers a day this year in
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  Speaker 2: Ukraine for almost no territorial gain. His economy now is
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  Speaker 2: in deep trouble, and Trump last week slapped punishing sanctions
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  Speaker 2: on Putin's two biggest oil exporters, Big Earnest for him.
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  Speaker 2: And meanwhile, the Ukraine says has hit so many Russian
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  Speaker 2: oil refiners that has cut Russia's oil production.
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  Speaker 3: By a quarter. So what.
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  Speaker 2: A desperate man Putin with nuclear weapons do if he's trapped?
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  Speaker 2: Joining me is the political panel can Milliner Formative for
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  Speaker 2: stuff to Labor leader Bill Shorten, now director of g
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  Speaker 2: Exo Strategies and Michael Costs of the former New South
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  Speaker 2: Wales Labor Treasurer Cameron. Look, we don't normally talk foreign affairs,
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  Speaker 2: but this has just really struck me.
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  Speaker 3: Does all this war talk worry you?
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  Speaker 7: Well, let me start by saying, it's wonderful see you
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  Speaker 7: back on air, Andrew. It's it's great to have you
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  Speaker 7: back on your program. But on this on this matter, look,
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  Speaker 7: I think we've got to be alert, but not alarmed.
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  Speaker 7: You know, nuclear threats have always been there for a while.
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  Speaker 7: But I actually think having Trump and Putin actually having
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  Speaker 7: a dialogue, having a discussion isn't necessarily a bad thing,
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  Speaker 7: and they're both a bit of that's a character at
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  Speaker 7: the moment. I think what's really interesting to me is
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  Speaker 7: just how brave the Ukrainians have been. I mean, they've
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  Speaker 7: been a war with a global force like Russia and
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  Speaker 7: held their own territory and done so incredibly well.
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  Speaker 3: So my great fear about the.
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  Speaker 7: Nuclear stuff is that Putinatu is the tactical nuke in
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  Speaker 7: the Ukraine theater, that would be the really awful thing
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  Speaker 7: in terms of nuclearier, not the most missile that flew
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  Speaker 7: around for eight thousand miles.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's got more than five thousand nuclear weapons,
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  Speaker 2: so he's got plenty of options.
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  Speaker 3: Michael, what is this?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I Thinkin's probably made a big mistake getting
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  Speaker 2: into a he man sort of, you know, playground confrontation
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  Speaker 2: with Trump, because I don't think that's the kind of
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  Speaker 2: thing that Trump responds well to.
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  Speaker 4: I think you're right, and I think he's bluffing, and
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  Speaker 4: he's been bluffing all the way. Look, the bottom line
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  Speaker 4: is one thing that's been exposed by this war in
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  Speaker 4: Ukraine is how weak the Russian is militarily. It's weapons,
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  Speaker 4: it's you know, a state of the art weapons are
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  Speaker 4: being shot down all over the place. It's navy's bottled up.
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  Speaker 8: In the black suit.
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  Speaker 4: It can't it can't move. So look, it is. It
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  Speaker 4: is a bluff, but it also highlights one of the
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  Speaker 4: problems we've got with Trump.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he's done extraordinary.
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  Speaker 4: Things in foreign affairs and guards are being the obvious one.
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  Speaker 4: But I think he's got a blind spot on Ukraine.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the art of the deal doesn't work if
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  Speaker 4: you haven't got somebody that's rational to negotiate with, and
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  Speaker 4: that's what we're facing with Putin and unfortunately the Ukrainians
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  Speaker 4: are sitting there. You know, it reminds me of Churchill.
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  Speaker 4: He said in I think it was forty one. You know,
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  Speaker 4: give us the tools and we'll finish the war. And
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  Speaker 4: you know, nobody's given Ukraine the tools to win. They've
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  Speaker 4: given Ukraine the tools to stay in the fight and
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  Speaker 4: suffer extraordinary losses.
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  Speaker 3: I think what we need to do, and.
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  Speaker 4: I'm blame Biden for this, by the way, not just Trump,
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  Speaker 4: is to give Ukraine the tools that needs to win
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: this and bring Putin to the negotihading table.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the scales have fallen from Trump's eze.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: But it might have said that once before and he
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: had a second thought, and now I think he's had
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: a third. But back to Canberra, Cameron Opposunal leader Susan Lee.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: She I think she sorts herself into more trouble over
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: something essentially trivial, which is the problem. Really, she demanded
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albinezi say sorry forgetting of his jet dressed than
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: the T shirt of the band Joy Division, because Joy
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Division was also the name of a unit of women
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: in concentration camps whom the Nazi Skiptor's sex slaves. But
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: even pete Jewish groups aren't taking offense, and Coalition front
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: benchers today wouldn't back up Susan Lee.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: It was excruciating. Listen, you shouldn't.
• 20:23
  Speaker 9: Findis to apologize for wearing a Joy Division T shirt.
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: Well, I'm not in the business of engaging in these conversations.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: You support your leader's call for an apology. If not, so,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. We're focusing on these issues, So you don't
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: support your leader's call.
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: I will continue to focus on the issues around cartel
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: kickbacks and see if emmy corruptions.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Senator, Senator, do you support your leader's call for an apology?
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: I think we're done.
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: We're done, Thank you, mister O'Brian, does the Prime minister
• 20:50
  Speaker 10: need to apologize for wearing a Joy Division T shirt.
• 20:54
  Speaker 10: I'll look what it comes to when it comes to fashion.
• 20:59
  Speaker 10: I don't claim to be the right person to ask
• 21:01
  Speaker 10: in this parliament.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Where your leader says she that he needs to apologize.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Do you agree with the leader?
• 21:07
  Speaker 10: Well, look, if you want to talk clothing, why.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Look, this is just a mess. What do you make
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: of a Cameron.
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: It's a shocking mess, a shocking mess. And but Lee
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: is is dead leader walking, dead leader walking. I mean,
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: she's got a backbench in revolt on net zero. She
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: can't keep a line together and she trots out this
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: sort of stuff. No wonder her front bench are running
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: a mile from her. She's a shocking leader. She shouldn't survive.
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: She shouldn't be there a day longer. Because the one
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: thing that the Albany shouldn't be saying sorry for is
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: maybe not some weird T shirt, but saying sorry for
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: the cost of living, saying sorry for being so weak
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: as a leader. They're the things you should be saying
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: sorry for every single day. And that's what Lee should
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: be actually holding him to account for.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know why she thought that wearing a T
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: shirt was the wrong, t sure it was a reason
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: of streams will then vote against Antineobernezi.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: What do you make of this, Michael, I.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Think this is indicative of the problem that we face
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: in Australia. We've got a double curse political curse that
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: is an incompetent government and an inept opposition and we're
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: all facing the consequences of it. I mean, look on
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: a day when you've got the inflation rate which you
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: talked to Ross Greenwood about there coming in at the
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: level it did, and remember that follows an unemployment rate
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: that kicked up the national Accountsel mentioned, we're in the
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: sort of preconditions of stagflation and this inept opposition can't
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: hold the government to account, including you know the Treasurer
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: who has got his tail between his legs because he
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: had to back down on the unrealized capital gains.
• 22:45
  Speaker 11: And you think he'd be an easy target, but they're
• 22:47
  Speaker 11: just hopeless Andrew just hopeless, and just another thing. If
• 22:51
  Speaker 11: they think they're going to get away with twenty fifty,
• 22:54
  Speaker 11: moving away from net zero to twenty.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: Fifty, the target the kidding themselves. The problem is twenty
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: thirty and the eighty two percent on renewables. Unless you
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: drop that, you're really no impact on the process of
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: stopping the de industrialization of the country and dealing with
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: the cost of living.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Cameron, how bad were the figures for Jim Charmers. I
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: mean has been a strength of the government. He projects
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: confidence and competence, but these are shocking results. The economy
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: is simply not in good shape in his hands.
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: Well no, and productivity is down to your point, Michael,
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: unemployments up and now inflation's jump back up again too.
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: So these are a bad set of numbers, are very
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: bad set of numbers, and Jim is trying. I think
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: Jim's trying a lot, but he got kneecapped the other day,
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: got kneecapped by his leader over the super changes. So
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: I think there's problems, problems with the way Albo's handling
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: the economy as much as obviously the wider team.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: There's real problems.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, the Liberals really got to get
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: themselves into gear because this government needs to be held
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: to count. It's just laughable at the moment. Michael Costa,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Camri Milner, thank you very much to you both. After
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: the break one of the world's most famous global warming
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: alarmists now changes this tune. But in Brazil, a war
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: in Rio Degeneira ahead of next week's climate conference. You know,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I've often said global warming policies are more dangerous than
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: global warming itself. Now, usually when Brazil hosts a big
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: international event, it first mounts big police operations to clean
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: out the crime games that are in the slums of Riadigenea.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Now they did that before the visit by Pope Benedict
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: in twenty eleven, the World Cup in twenty fourteen, the
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Olympic Games in twenty sixteen. Here we go again ahead
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: of two huge global warming conferences. There's next week see
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: forty Global summon and Climate Change and Prince William's Earthshot
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Prize starring Kylie Minogue and form of four Mula one
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: world champion Sebastian Sebastian Vettel, and that will be followed
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: on Monday week by the Omega United Nations. Climates are
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: it also in Brazil, but this one in the Amazon. Now,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: whether it's again to clean up the slums from the
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: warmests or for some other reasons, the Rio Authority is
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: again sent in the police, a mini army of two
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: thousand and five hundred yesterday to fight the gangs there
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: with drones, machineguns, explosives. Look, it was a real war.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: At least sixty four people are dead. I saw literally
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: piles of bodies in the streets. On video won't show
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: you lots of gang members being arrested and truckloads of
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: drugs seized.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Joining me as Rowan, Deine and are in chief of the.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Spectator Australia host of Outsiders every Sunday at nine am,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: and if that wasn't enough, his host of his own
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: show on Fridays at seven pm.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Rowan, great to see you again.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Look, global warming summits are a health hazard, but I
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: guess you knew that well.
• 26:13
  Speaker 12: Firstly, Andrew, it's great to see you back. And I'm
• 26:16
  Speaker 12: glad you're in fighting fit and in fine form and
• 26:18
  Speaker 12: ready to set the worlds to rights as in the
• 26:21
  Speaker 12: UKN So it's great to have you back.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Andrew.
• 26:24
  Speaker 12: You can add that to your slogan. You know it
• 26:27
  Speaker 12: was global warming policies. It's now global warming conferences do
• 26:31
  Speaker 12: more damage than global warming itself, which is probably not
• 26:34
  Speaker 12: a great surprise. The billowing smoke, did you see think
• 26:37
  Speaker 12: of all the carbon emissions coming from all those explosives.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Shocking, terrible stuff.
• 26:43
  Speaker 12: And of course you've got you know, you've got obviously
• 26:49
  Speaker 12: anyone who dies, it's a very serious matter. But seriously,
• 26:53
  Speaker 12: you watch in a few years time to add the
• 26:55
  Speaker 12: sixty four deaths into the climate change figures of Southma.
• 27:00
  Speaker 12: You know the number of people have died because of
• 27:02
  Speaker 12: climate change, including the summits. But Andrew, the good news
• 27:05
  Speaker 12: is that, or rather the realistic news is that global
• 27:09
  Speaker 12: warming summits have had casualties in the past, not on
• 27:14
  Speaker 12: this level. But I remember there was one extraordinary global
• 27:17
  Speaker 12: warming summit Copenhagen. I think it was COP nineteen or
• 27:20
  Speaker 12: twenty one or whatever it was. Poor old Kevin Rudd
• 27:23
  Speaker 12: suffered a worse damage reputation than he's in the White
• 27:27
  Speaker 12: House the other day when his entire moral crusade was
• 27:30
  Speaker 12: blown up as effectively as those drug lords have been
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: blown up in Rear. So you got to go. You
• 27:35
  Speaker 12: go to these global warming conferences. Tread carefully, is all
• 27:38
  Speaker 12: I'll say. And Chris Bowen wants us to have one
• 27:40
  Speaker 12: here next year.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Not a great idea, Chris, Yes, I remember what was
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: it that Kevin Rudd called.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: The Chinese for we can't repeat it here, for it
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: did not.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Go on very rude language. There is a change in
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the global warming wind though, Rowan and I think you
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: might welcome this. Bill Gates, the Microsoft megabillionaire, used to
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: be a huge global warming doom sir.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: I think you might have had a digatym, you.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Know, writing a book, a book, a book about how
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: deadly global warming would be killing so many of us
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: here is.
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: Then the death all would be even worse near the equator,
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: and the unrest, you know, would be global in nature.
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: And sadly you couldn't just invent a vaccine, so you've
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: got to start work now to avoid those terrible consequences
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: much later.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: But Roan Bill Gates is now cooling, saying, oh, look,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: we shouldn't exaggerate, and it's just written. Although climate change
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: will have serious consequences, particularly for people in the poorest countries,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: it will not lead to humanity's demise. People will be
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: able to live and thrive in most places on Earth
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: for the seeable future. What interests you more about this
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: that Gates is now skeptical of all this doom talk,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: or that him saying the bleeding obvious what you and
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: I have been saying for years, like you know, we're
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: not going to all die like flies from Global warming
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: is now headline news around the world, and he's saying
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: to the doom, says, don't hit me, don't hit.
• 29:21
  Speaker 12: Me, land Threw, I'm a great student of the sting
• 29:26
  Speaker 12: with Robert Redford and Paul Newman, and I love the
• 29:29
  Speaker 12: big con and what goes into the and part of
• 29:33
  Speaker 12: the big con is and the great scam, the great
• 29:36
  Speaker 12: grift is you've got to get out of it before
• 29:38
  Speaker 12: you get caught. There's no point doing the Great scam
• 29:40
  Speaker 12: and then being caught red handed when the stops. You've
• 29:43
  Speaker 12: got to get out early. Now we've seen this over
• 29:45
  Speaker 12: the past few months. We've seen Tony Blair, the big
• 29:49
  Speaker 12: grifter is involved in climate change, Bill Gates, Tony Blair,
• 29:52
  Speaker 12: Boris Johnson. In the last couple of months, they've all
• 29:55
  Speaker 12: come out and they've started to back pedal. And the
• 29:58
  Speaker 12: reason for this, Andrew, is that it was Joe Kennedy,
• 30:02
  Speaker 12: you might remember who said that famously said about Wall
• 30:06
  Speaker 12: Street and buying shares and stocks and so on, that
• 30:09
  Speaker 12: when the shoeshine boy is telling you to buy such
• 30:12
  Speaker 12: and such a stock, that's the time to get out
• 30:16
  Speaker 12: now the world. The big hitters in the world have
• 30:18
  Speaker 12: looked around. They've seen Australia's shoeshine boy, Chris Bowen sitting
• 30:22
  Speaker 12: there polishing the shoes and going climate change, climate change,
• 30:25
  Speaker 12: end of the world. We're all gonna die, We're all
• 30:26
  Speaker 12: gonna die. And they realize, now the grift is up,
• 30:29
  Speaker 12: it's all over.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: When you got Chris.
• 30:30
  Speaker 12: Bowen telling you that there were you know, the net
• 30:33
  Speaker 12: zero is.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: The way to go.
• 30:34
  Speaker 12: Even the big hitters recognize that the scam must be
• 30:38
  Speaker 12: coming to an end. So they're all looking for their
• 30:40
  Speaker 12: plausible deniability to get out and say oh.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no no no.
• 30:43
  Speaker 12: When we said, you know, the end of the world
• 30:45
  Speaker 12: and all that, no, no, we tempered that. Now we've
• 30:48
  Speaker 12: seen this before.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: On COVID.
• 30:49
  Speaker 12: Bill Gates did exactly the same thing on COVID. Andrew
• 30:52
  Speaker 12: he made all his money out of all the vaccines
• 30:55
  Speaker 12: and aum us, and then just at the peak, when
• 30:57
  Speaker 12: everybody's running around, he started saying, oh, well, hang on,
• 31:00
  Speaker 12: I'm not sure the vaccines are really as efficient as
• 31:02
  Speaker 12: we said they were to begin with. They don't actually
• 31:04
  Speaker 12: stop transmission, et cetera, et cetera.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Et cetera.
• 31:07
  Speaker 12: We saw Larry Fink, the head of black Rock or Vanguard,
• 31:10
  Speaker 12: or whichever one of them he is. When EESG EUS,
• 31:15
  Speaker 12: whatever it was called, the ESG scam about your shares
• 31:18
  Speaker 12: will be worth much more if you're into ESG. He
• 31:22
  Speaker 12: pulled out early and said no, no, no, no, no no.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Actually we overdid it on ESG.
• 31:25
  Speaker 12: So we're seeing the same playbook again and again. The
• 31:28
  Speaker 12: big hitters get out early and start to backpedal so
• 31:32
  Speaker 12: that they're not caught with the drift in their hands.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Oh you give me, you give me some hope, Rohan.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: So you think there might come.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: A time when Chris Bone looks around, he's on the
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: game plank and it's got the low one is there.
• 31:47
  Speaker 12: On his own, could even be caught right one next
• 31:52
  Speaker 12: year in.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Adelaide, No one will turn out.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Well, look from what you say, you and I have
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: got to just keep our records. And we know what
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: they said. We've been covering this for twenty or thirty years.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: We know what they said. They won't get away with it.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Rowan Deane, thank you so much indeed for your time,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: really appreciate it. After the break one of Australia's iconic
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: open mining towns is threatened, its existence threatened after a
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: native title claim is slapped on the area.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: I'll talk to a local miner about an.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Astonishing story of red tape, black tape.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, wonder we're getting poorer.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, let me give you another example of how
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, Australia really really wants to say
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: no to anyone trying to get ahead once they tie
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: them up in tape, red tape, green tape, black tape
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: until they can't breathe. White Cliffs it's an iconic Australian town,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: an opal town in the west of New South Wales,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: out Passaval County, a ninety kilometers north. There's a few
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: open shops there, a general store, a cafe, caravan park, hotel,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: motel and an underground motel as well. But a lot
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: of the locals, of course, actually live in dugouts, one
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: hundred and twenty of them, like a kooper ped it's
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: so hot there. But now White Cliff is in real danger.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, native title was granted the people deemed
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: to be the traditional owners of a huge part of
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: West Australia of western New South Wales, including parts of
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: white Cliffs and ever since the future of that town
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: has been in doubt. Joining me is Troy Krakau Cracker.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: He's president of the White Cliffs Miners Association. As a boy,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: he grew up there. And believe it or not, Troy,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: how did you end up coming back to white Cliff's
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: what brought you back?
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: Quite a few years of commercial beasting, super vessels bring
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: engineer and I just want of the different change of life.
• 33:56
  Speaker 8: Ventured back to white Cliffs and just at the time
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: of the Native title debarkle and took our claims out
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: and find it and found out we went allowed to mind,
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: nun's allowed to mine.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Look, I had a look at the background of this mate.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: It is a shocker. But you talk us through it.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Why is the problem with this native title claim? Why
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: does it threaten white Cliffs?
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: Well, the nave title claim at the moment doesn't really
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: threaten what because it's been agreed to by the Barking
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: jury and all the Greek parties. At the moment that
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: the termination rests with Michelle Rowlands, who's not really being forthcoming.
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: If she could sign off on the native title determination
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: and what was to be able to go back mining
• 34:47
  Speaker 8: and the town would come back to life prosper It's
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: not that at the moment.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Now, let me interrupt and say, Michelle Rowlands, as a
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: federal minister, she's supposed to sign off on a deal.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Depending this signing off and all that, you've got one
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: hundred and thirty seven people claims waiting to be granted.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: No one could get a mining claim going. There's only
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: sixteen being worked. I mean, what does that do to
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: the town.
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: It's tomorialize the town or at the moment, the tourists
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: they can come to the town, but they come to
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: our ople town to look for aple Souse finers mining.
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: You know, they go fossicking and they're not even allowed
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: to flossic on the field due to the native titles.
• 35:31
  Speaker 8: So Hans for we've lost a lot of terrorism, a
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: heck of a lot of tororism.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Well you can't even walk around fossicking. I mean, this
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: is extraordinary. Why is this taking so long to fix though?
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Because this has been going on for nearly a decade now.
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: It's like you said before, it's the red tape, the
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: Grand tape, multi colored tapes. The government's been handling it
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: for a very long time. The decisions that have been
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: made by the government weren't at the best of their decisions.
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: Now it's been decided. It's the closest like this has
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: ever been ever been And at the moment with here,
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: she says, no, what this will be just decimated. We're
• 36:15
  Speaker 8: losing miners as we speak. The old time miners been here,
• 36:19
  Speaker 8: they might be last fear are They're not even being
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: allowed to do that. It's pretty und Australian in mine.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Well, the whole thing is there in Australian. It's such
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: a shame. I mean, it's a really iconic town. What's
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: going to happen to wake Cliffs if this is not fixed.
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: If this is not fixed, the town population is declining.
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: The tourism has to climb massively astronomical amounts. I dare
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: say shop owners harn all our businesses before, so either
• 36:55
  Speaker 8: put prices up or they'll be forced to close. It's
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: losing either way, it los if it's not asided.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: And just because some public servants are a minister won't
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: get off their backside and fix it.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, gee, you must be beside yourself in the town.
• 37:15
  Speaker 8: It's not just a neighbor side myself. It's a whole town,
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: the whole community. But you know, all come into mine
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: and I enjoy us. At the moment we're not even
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: given that opportunity.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. It's just sort of a metaphor
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: for what's going on in Australia. Troy.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry to hear that, and I hope you'll let
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: me know if you ever get good news. Troy Cracker,
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  Speaker 2: thank you so much. Indeed for time Haco, I should
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  Speaker 2: make bully can't even get things straight, Troy Krco that
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  Speaker 2: is and is the head of the mining Association of
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: that town after the break. Why are the Liberals so
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  Speaker 2: on the nose in so many states plus face masks,
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  Speaker 2: many protests now where them moves now to ban them?
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  Speaker 2: Why are the liberals is so much strife and I
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  Speaker 2: don't just mean in Canberra and New South Wales today
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  Speaker 2: disastrous new poll shows state opposition now way behind them
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  Speaker 2: in this labor government, just forty fifty nine after preferences.
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  Speaker 3: If Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: The Liberals are struggling even against the most cataclismic Australian government,
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  Speaker 2: this sanctuary in South Australia and Western Australia, the AZTU
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  Speaker 2: again in strife I mean it's true.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, the Liberals are in power.
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  Speaker 2: In Queensland and in the Northern territories or the colp
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  Speaker 2: there and in TASMANI if you could call that a
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  Speaker 2: liberal government.
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  Speaker 3: But those winds almost seem like minor miracles.
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  Speaker 2: What is the problem to the panel of Gematoni colonists
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  Speaker 2: and communications consultant and Caroline there are so commentator and
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  Speaker 2: president of the West Australian Liberals. Well that was a
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  Speaker 2: good person to start with. I guess Caroline, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: but to me, at least two things see in common
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  Speaker 2: factors everywhere where the Liberals are struggling, personal division, no
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  Speaker 2: clear direction, and a legacy of weak leadership, although Victoria's
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  Speaker 2: leader is trying to claw things back, and your leader
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  Speaker 2: in West Australia and your opposition leader, Basil Zemplus looks credible.
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  Speaker 3: But is that your analysis of what the problem is?
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  Speaker 13: I don't think the Well, look, I don't think it's
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  Speaker 13: any one thing in anyone's state, or I just don't
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  Speaker 13: think it is. Everyone has a different set of circumstances,
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  Speaker 13: and particularly depending on how long you've been in government
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  Speaker 13: or not been in government, and all of those things,
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  Speaker 13: all those parts of the cycle also impact as far
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  Speaker 13: as West Australia is concerned. And we've spoken about this before, Andrew.
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  Speaker 13: I mean, we had a shocking result in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 13: one and the rebuild has been slow, but it has
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  Speaker 13: been happening, and Basil and his team have actually been
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  Speaker 13: doing really well in WA. I'm actually really impressed. And
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  Speaker 13: I know I'm the state president and obviously no, I
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  Speaker 13: don't actually have to say that.
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  Speaker 3: But I will say that.
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  Speaker 13: And the simple fact of the matter is they've worked
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  Speaker 13: out the issues that matter, the issues that are important
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  Speaker 13: to the community, the issues that drive votes, and they
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  Speaker 13: have been very very disciplined in dealing with those issues
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  Speaker 13: and in holding the government to account. And now, look,
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  Speaker 13: we've got a labor government that is in its third term. Now,
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  Speaker 13: they do make mistakes. Ours can't control the purse strings
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  Speaker 13: for love nor money. So they have been giving us
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  Speaker 13: the ammunition and we have been using it wisely. Now
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  Speaker 13: we still only have quite a small team in Western Australia,
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  Speaker 13: but they have been working really hard. They have been
• 40:42
  Speaker 13: working really well together, and they've also been engaging very
• 40:46
  Speaker 13: well with your correction.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but it's the truth.
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  Speaker 13: But it's genuinely the truth, Andrew. But it's really important
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  Speaker 13: to look if you want to get to where you
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  Speaker 13: want to go.
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  Speaker 2: But you were nearly wiped out election ago to elections show.
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  Speaker 2: And here's the thing, Jemma, I mean, I do think
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  Speaker 2: when you think of the Liberals in the South part
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  Speaker 2: of Australia, you're thinking.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, blamage.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you're not thinking, well, what do they stand for?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I know, like I say, the Victorian Oppicition
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  Speaker 2: leaders trying you know, crime and all that.
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  Speaker 9: But g G, well, first of all, can I say
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  Speaker 9: welcome back. It's really good to see you looking so healthy,
• 41:27
  Speaker 9: and it's lovely to be back on the show with you. Look,
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  Speaker 9: can I can say things possibly a little bit more
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  Speaker 9: freely because I'm unencumbered by the chains of holding an
• 41:37
  Speaker 9: office with the Liberal Party of Australia. I'm not even
• 41:39
  Speaker 9: a member of the Liberal Party of Australia. I am
• 41:41
  Speaker 9: a voter, though through gritted teeth most more recently. I
• 41:45
  Speaker 9: just I think you nailed it in your intro, Andrew.
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  Speaker 9: The party broadly is showing a lack of discipline. There's
• 41:51
  Speaker 9: so much internal conflict. They're so caught up and may
• 41:55
  Speaker 9: I use a somewhat ungenteel analogy with heads up parts
• 42:00
  Speaker 9: of bodies that they need to extract themselves from. They're
• 42:03
  Speaker 9: caught up in stuff that voters just don't care about.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know how many times I've said this, but
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  Speaker 9: as a voter, I don't care about your faction. I
• 42:11
  Speaker 9: don't care about your maneuvering. I don't care about your
• 42:13
  Speaker 9: backroom deals and your handshakes and you're swapping.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care about it.
• 42:17
  Speaker 9: You either want to lead and you're prepared to pay
• 42:19
  Speaker 9: the price to lead. And by that I mean leadership
• 42:23
  Speaker 9: is putting purpose over preference. So that is putting your
• 42:27
  Speaker 9: purpose the purpose is to be elected, to provide a
• 42:31
  Speaker 9: better way forward for the state that you're trying to
• 42:33
  Speaker 9: lead or the country, and putting to one side your
• 42:37
  Speaker 9: personal little hobby horses. Because people like me are standing
• 42:41
  Speaker 9: on the side of the road going give me something
• 42:43
  Speaker 9: to vote for for Heaven's say, show some leadership. Stop
• 42:46
  Speaker 9: being distracted by it. This federal government should be the
• 42:50
  Speaker 9: easiest government in Christendom to punt out the back door.
• 42:55
  Speaker 9: But we're so distracted by minutia that don't count.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: What have we got today?
• 43:00
  Speaker 9: Inflation screaming power prices up by nine percent, the Prime
• 43:04
  Speaker 9: Minister parading around in a Joy Division T shirt like
• 43:07
  Speaker 9: he hasn't graduated from universities. Honestly, let's focus on the
• 43:12
  Speaker 9: things that matter and stop getting leadership to it.
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  Speaker 3: Where are the people? Where are the liberals?
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  Speaker 2: Ie?
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  Speaker 6: You?
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Where they are? And here I stand? And I can
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: do no other that.
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  Speaker 9: I think they're in the real economy.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: It's what I'm missing.
• 43:25
  Speaker 9: I think the people who understand what leadership is like
• 43:28
  Speaker 9: and the price of leadership are in the real economy,
• 43:30
  Speaker 9: leading their teams, leading their businesses, leading their families.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: That's where they.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Are, Caroline. I know, I know, Caroline. These NonStop anti
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Israeli protests have gone on week after week after we
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I think I've made a lot of the strange wonder
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: whether process should be better, police to be less disruptive
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: and this violent times if Victoria, the Liberals now say
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: they want new laws the band protesters from covering their faces,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: which doesn't just make it harder for police to identify troublemakers.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: I think these masks also make people feel more like
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: cosplaying militants, so going to ack up to that role
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: encourages them to act up, even act.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Up in their new costume.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Now I know it's ironic abandon face coveries in a
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: statement only a few years ago had police fire rubber
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: bullets at police are people who weren't wearing face masks
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: during the lockdown, But it's had a good idea.
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  Speaker 13: Look, I can understand why the liberals would be considering that,
• 44:34
  Speaker 13: and I do take I do take your point. It
• 44:36
  Speaker 13: makes those people look intimidating. But also if people think
• 44:40
  Speaker 13: that no one can see who they are, then query
• 44:44
  Speaker 13: whether they'll push a boundary further than where they otherwise
• 44:47
  Speaker 13: might push it if they are out. It's kind of
• 44:49
  Speaker 13: the same as online behavior, Andrew, you wouldn't people say
• 44:53
  Speaker 13: things online that they would never in a million years
• 44:56
  Speaker 13: say to a person who was standing in front of them.
• 44:58
  Speaker 13: But they feel like they're masked in a sense by
• 45:01
  Speaker 13: being online and by being disconnected, and so you see
• 45:04
  Speaker 13: behaviors out of those people that you wouldn't ordinarily see. Look,
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  Speaker 13: I think Australians everyone understands the right to protest, everyone
• 45:14
  Speaker 13: understands that it needs to be peaceful. But when the
• 45:17
  Speaker 13: same rent a crowd week after week are carrying on
• 45:22
  Speaker 13: and they are becoming increasingly belligerent and increasingly aggressive and
• 45:27
  Speaker 13: increasingly you know, sucking up police resources or being belligerent
• 45:32
  Speaker 13: and aggressive towards police. I think Australians do get to
• 45:36
  Speaker 13: a point where they go, okay, well, look, there is
• 45:38
  Speaker 13: this right to protest, but it needs to be such
• 45:42
  Speaker 13: that everyone else who wants to say, for example, use
• 45:45
  Speaker 13: the Melbourne CBD over a weekend, they feel safe to
• 45:48
  Speaker 13: go there. And with the conversations that have been going
• 45:51
  Speaker 13: on over the last couple of weeks, people do not
• 45:53
  Speaker 13: feel safe.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I think if you've protest, why do you have
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: a right to block the road and poetice in the park,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: no problem, not in the street. But the masks thing,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: the mask thing here, Jemma, I think does enable people
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: to feel, oh, look I can I'm to do something.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I'm free to act like the terrorists that I'm dressing
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: up as The point here is isn't enforcable? What about
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: the woman in kneecub what about a person with a
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: face mask for medical reasons? Or should we just say
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: damn it go in hard.
• 46:28
  Speaker 9: I am of the view that it should be a
• 46:31
  Speaker 9: blanket view a blanket a blanket law, Like if you're
• 46:34
  Speaker 9: going to protest and you're let me take a set sideways.
• 46:38
  Speaker 9: These people are in masks. They're nothing but cowards. They're
• 46:41
  Speaker 9: nothing but cowards. Caroline's analogy of an online warrior is
• 46:45
  Speaker 9: absolutely brilliant because it's the truth. These people are sitting
• 46:48
  Speaker 9: in their underwear in their mother's basement, eating cereal out
• 46:51
  Speaker 9: of a box, tap tap tap tapping away, you know,
• 46:54
  Speaker 9: being so brave when they're hidden from the world. These
• 46:57
  Speaker 9: people walking the streets with their face covered, they are
• 47:00
  Speaker 9: know better.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: They are no better.
• 47:02
  Speaker 9: They're absolute cowards. And if they're so brave and they
• 47:04
  Speaker 9: want to stand up for what they believe in, they
• 47:06
  Speaker 9: should have their faces shown. End of Sorry, you can't
• 47:09
  Speaker 9: walk into a bank with a helmet on. You can't
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: walk into a bank with your face obscured. I so
• 47:13
  Speaker 9: make it a blanket, Laura, and ask people to apply
• 47:16
  Speaker 9: for an exemption. You know, there has to be there
• 47:18
  Speaker 9: has to be lines drawn in the Sandia And I
• 47:21
  Speaker 9: know I've been in Melbourne for my scene Xandra a
• 47:24
  Speaker 9: couple of times in some of those big anti Israel
• 47:28
  Speaker 9: pro Hamas protests have been on, and it is it
• 47:32
  Speaker 9: is terrifying.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: You don't feel safe, No, you don't feel safe, and
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: I think it's deliberately intimidating. I think, just yes, ban
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: face masks in protests, and if you get arrested for
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: wearing a But the problem is, Caroline had probably half
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: those protests will then turn up next week in a
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: knee carb saying I'm Muslim and.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: May can go to court.
• 47:56
  Speaker 9: Make them go to court and prove that they are.
• 47:58
  Speaker 13: I mean, make them think them. The idea of applying
• 48:01
  Speaker 13: for an exemption is excellent. Apply for an exemption. You
• 48:05
  Speaker 13: have to you have to do that well ahead of time,
• 48:07
  Speaker 13: and people have to give good reason for it. And
• 48:11
  Speaker 13: if you and if you don't ee satisfied, whatever the
• 48:13
  Speaker 13: criteria is.
• 48:14
  Speaker 9: Sorry, buddy, I mean Martin Luther King didn't walk through
• 48:17
  Speaker 9: the streets so his face covered because he was Sorry.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Liberals, Maybe the Victorian liberals are onto a good thing.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe Basil, you can persuade Basil.
• 48:25
  Speaker 9: To go for it too. Nobody protests.
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: No one's processing to be bothered, Caroline.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: No, that's here in Red Victoria. Caroline de Russa, thank
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: you very much. She both loved to have caught up
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: with you again.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: That's it for me. Coming up next, Sherry markson good
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  Speaker 3: note