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Warrior Philosopher Tyson Unveils the Reality of Martial Arts and Fitness Expectations · In Moderation

• 0:18
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the podcast for our guest.
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: Today We've got Oakley.
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: Oakley say hi, she's a little bashful.
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: A little bashful, but in addition to Oakley, we've also got Tyson, who is also known as the warrior philosopher, here, and he's literally right beside me.
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: So at any point in time, you know, liam will give him the signal and he'll put me into some sort of chokehold and they'll do the rest of the podcast.
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: without me, it will be very confusing for the listeners.
• 0:45
  Speaker 3: They'll just hear all my girls, you're like grunting.
• 0:48
  Speaker 3: I'm like yeah.
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: This podcast took a turn.
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: Well, you got a drama, all right.
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: So tell us a little bit about yourself.
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: Well, where to start?
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: How about the tattoos?
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: Because I mean, look at those tattoos.
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I thought the listeners, but hey well.
• 1:09
  Speaker 3: I started collecting them when I was just barely allowed to.
• 1:14
  Speaker 3: I think I got my first one on like the day after my deep birthday and started to collect them ever since.
• 1:18
  Speaker 3: That's a while I my day job is teaching martial arts.
• 1:24
  Speaker 3: I teach Brazilian jiu-jitsu and kickboxing, started training when I was 15 years old.
• 1:29
  Speaker 3: Well, for martial arts I was a swimmer for that for 10 years.
• 1:33
  Speaker 3: That was my first competitive sport was swimming and I'm also.
• 1:38
  Speaker 3: I went to school for massage therapy but became a statistic in that pretty quickly.
• 1:42
  Speaker 3: I worked for about two years in that industry and then moved on to the strength condition.
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: What you're saying is you found more of a passion and massaging people with your fists, exactly yeah.
• 1:53
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't.
• 1:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's.
• 1:54
  Speaker 3: It's a different kind of depotment, but the yeah.
• 1:58
  Speaker 3: I moved on to the strength conditioning industry.
• 2:00
  Speaker 3: I worked as a kettlebell instructor for a long time.
• 2:02
  Speaker 3: I teach certification courses for the Gatsur organizations.
• 2:08
  Speaker 3: I teach kettlebell and structure certification courses and I teach lifting and programming for personal trainer certifications, and so, yeah, I've I've just been kind of doing a little bit of everything for yeah, everything.
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: now you jack of all well, a jack of all punches anyway.
• 2:26
  Speaker 2: So you say you've been to like a gym or two, like in your life.
• 2:30
  Speaker 3: I did a gym or two, then been kicked out of a gym or two.
• 2:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was a fitness.
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: Do you have a story, Well?
• 2:37
  Speaker 3: not a plate of fitness.
• 2:38
  Speaker 3: So you know, alberta, oh geez, I remember the old World Health Club back in the day, but it's, it's.
• 2:45
  Speaker 3: It's funny because nowadays you see things like kettlebells and chains and all that kind of stuff.
• 2:52
  Speaker 3: Dude, there's just, it's just ubiquitous that you see in every single gym.
• 2:55
  Speaker 3: But there was a time when I was, you know, getting kicked out of gyms for bringing in the things like kettlebells and chains to train with.
• 3:04
  Speaker 3: It was funny I got.
• 3:04
  Speaker 3: I got a blacklisted at a World Health Club once, which I didn't know was a thing, but yeah, it would actually pop up with a little note.
• 3:13
  Speaker 3: Whatever I signed up, my little key tag thing saying basically check me for outside equipment before allowing me in.
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: Hey, I think, it would show you we're on someone else.
• 3:22
  Speaker 3: No, that's it.
• 3:23
  Speaker 3: Well, I that that seems to be what they were worried about, because they would say, well, you know, we're not covered by insurance because our personal trainers don't know how to use this stuff or something they just said be a lie.
• 3:33
  Speaker 3: But you know, being being young and aggressive, I'd always just kind of shot back like well, you got a punching bag upstairs, like where's your certified boxing coach?
• 3:44
  Speaker 3: It's way more likely that some kid is going to break his hand hitting the punching bag.
• 3:48
  Speaker 3: Then one of my chains is going to, you know, fly to my hand or at somebody's neck all of a sudden At least not unless it's on purpose.
• 3:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's a lot of this stuff now it's.
• 3:59
  Speaker 3: It's kind of funny Just going into a gym and seeing kettlebells there, because, yeah, I was one of those people getting checked out for bringing a kettlebells a long time ago.
• 4:07
  Speaker 2: I'm definitely curious what got you into martial arts?
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: Because about a year ago myself I joined a Muay Thai kickboxing gym.
• 4:15
  Speaker 2: They also do BJJ, brazilian Jiu Jitsu, but I haven't gotten into that just short on time.
• 4:20
  Speaker 2: But I really enjoy the Muay Thai, not just like the you know, the athletic, the you know get the exercise in, but also just kind of a mental like I don't know, it's just kind of it's it's funny because it's aggressive but also very peaceful in a way.
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: And I.
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: You made it so daddy can't learn BJJ.
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: Well, let's make sure you don't forget the last J on that?
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's been misconstrued.
• 4:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's.
• 4:50
  Speaker 3: It's close enough that BJJ is actually a banned hashtag on TikTok.
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: Is it yeah?
• 4:56
  Speaker 3: You have to write out the whole thing Brazilian.
• 4:58
  Speaker 2: Jiu Jitsu you have to get.
• 4:59
  Speaker 2: That is amazing.
• 5:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a.
• 5:03
  Speaker 3: Well, what got me into it originally was that I was a swimmer for 10 years, as I mentioned, and swimming is one of those sports where there it's, it's been around for so long and it's such a relatively speaking accessible sports that it's a.
• 5:22
  Speaker 3: It's a huge Olympic sport in some countries like Australia.
• 5:25
  Speaker 3: It's a huge spectator sport there.
• 5:26
  Speaker 3: So, because it's been around so long, because Canada actually has a pretty rich history of swimming, with very high level pools and a lot of the major cities and stuff like that, so it's one of those sports where, if you show potential for being any good at it, they basically want to start training you like a professional athlete.
• 5:46
  Speaker 3: I show you into a freezing lake and say swim to the other side Like it's kind of like dancing or gymnastics, like you know how a 13 year old trains is really not that different from about 20 year old trains, it's just so.
• 5:58
  Speaker 3: It's one of those sports where, if you start to lose your passion for it at all, you quit Like there's no, there's no like I kind of like it.
• 6:08
  Speaker 3: But I, you know, I just do it because I'm used to it, because by the time I was 13, I was in the pool probably 25 hours a week.
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: At least until it became ice, and then yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: Like hockey yeah, Swimming.
• 6:22
  Speaker 1: Swimming is important in Canada because it's what we do when the ice melts Exactly yeah.
• 6:30
  Speaker 3: Not that I got the same respect as the hockey players, but but yeah, it's, it's a.
• 6:36
  Speaker 3: It's a really tough schedule.
• 6:37
  Speaker 3: It'd be, you know, three, five, three, eight practices weeks back after school for another practice.
• 6:43
  Speaker 3: Prices are Friday, prices are Saturday morning, plus running, plus weightlifting.
• 6:47
  Speaker 3: So I had I had enough of it by the time I was about 15.
• 6:52
  Speaker 3: I did very well in swimming, but I just had enough.
• 6:54
  Speaker 3: I was ready for something different and I sought to myself when I quit swimming that I'd be excited to have all this free time.
• 7:01
  Speaker 3: And I really enjoyed it for about a week, just doing nothing all the time.
• 7:07
  Speaker 3: But then I realized that I just wasn't wired for that.
• 7:10
  Speaker 3: I had this 25 hour whole blasted in my life all of a sudden and I needed to fill with something.
• 7:15
  Speaker 3: And at the time, when I was 15, I thought I was going to go the police or military route I had.
• 7:26
  Speaker 3: I had kind of a boyhood dream being a task force.
• 7:29
  Speaker 3: So I started doing Kichiru Jujutsu and Kiyokushin Karate, which was I.
• 7:39
  Speaker 3: Kichiru Jujutsu.
• 7:40
  Speaker 3: I was taught by a police officer, so there's a lot of police officers and military guys who were in the class with me, so that I felt like that was a good fit and the Kiyokushin Karate was just kind of a side thing and I trained up both of those for four years, basically just completely replaced the swimming schedule with training all day and martial arts.
• 8:00
  Speaker 3: By the time I was in the water to kicking on land, yeah, and this was.
• 8:03
  Speaker 3: And this was when the UFC was getting really popular, like the like.
• 8:07
  Speaker 3: The first season of the ultimate fighter reality show was getting going around that time and I was.
• 8:13
  Speaker 3: I had been trained for four years and I was just kind of getting out of that mentality of I want to go to the police military route and getting really excited about competing more in martial arts.
• 8:26
  Speaker 3: So that's when I switched to Muay Thai, brazilian Jujutsu, started taking MMA more seriously, had a couple of MMA fights started, coaching and the rest of history.
• 8:35
  Speaker 3: I just never stopped doing it.
• 8:36
  Speaker 3: So I it started as just a replacement for swimming, as something to do and something that I thought would fit well with my future career, and then I just fell in love with it, just never stopped.
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: You know, it's great, like every other guest we we've.
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: Well, when we started having them do their own introductions because before that we were doing really, really terrible introductions we got comments.
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: We were like we need better introductions, people, everybody else, that they never know what to say, and so it's like just 10 seconds, I don't know this.
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: And then we got you just boom there, it all is there, you go.
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: Got.
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: The one thing I got from that was Canadian.
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: Canada has a military.
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: I was pretty sure they just like apologized for things and everyone's like oh, that's cool.
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: Like you're Canada, Like what do we do?
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: You have to be one of the most elite task force in the world.
• 9:27
  Speaker 3: We get.
• 9:27
  Speaker 3: We get that a lot because we master passive aggression so well that people forget that we're pretty good at active aggression too.
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: That's the art of war, the art of passive.
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: Passive aggression is way more effective.
• 9:42
  Speaker 3: Well, and while it's, we've it's.
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: You know the Canada's military is small by American standards, because that's always small by standard, but it's.
• 9:53
  Speaker 3: It is very much kind of a similar situation to Taiwan, where it's sort of an asymmetrical warfare approach, like, because the military is small.
• 10:01
  Speaker 3: We have a very high focus on quality.
• 10:04
  Speaker 3: So, like you know, our military is small, which is how many people are in it and what the budget is and all that.
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: But you know each individual part of it is warrants class when you compare apples to apples with the same type of units elsewhere, like Joy.
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: Task Force two is an A level operation that ever since World War One, the Canadians have always been in it and we've represented very well.
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: So it's what it is.
• 10:32
  Speaker 3: It is kind of funny because we do have that reputation is like, oh, you know they, they just kind of tag along with wherever the US goes, which to a certain extent is true because, come on, canada, you're lagging by, let's go, let's go.
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: We're going to Vietnam again.
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, again, let's go, yeah it's.
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: you know for which?
• 10:50
  Speaker 3: For the?
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: For some of us is a little uncomfortable how tight at the hip we are to the United States energy and military interests, but it is what it is.
• 10:59
  Speaker 3: We share the longest active border in the world we have.
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: We're both of each other's number one trading partners.
• 11:06
  Speaker 3: A lot of people are actually surprised by that, because it seems obvious that we are the number one, that the US is the number one trading partner for us.
• 11:15
  Speaker 3: Right, a lot of people don't know that we are actually.
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: The US is number one trading partner to.
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: The US trades more with Canada that it doesn't shy yeah, a lot of marine stuff.
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: They learned from JTF to.
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: Hmm, I mean, I know we have Team America World Police though, so like that's, I mean that makes up for some of.
• 11:34
  Speaker 3: America, oh, yeah, oh it's like that I'm watching you.
• 11:39
  Speaker 3: I watched Team America like what's every like two or three years.
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: I saw the premiere of it when it's show here.
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: And it's one of my best like movie theater memories of all time, because my face muscles were physically sore.
• 11:59
  Speaker 3: So I left the theater and every single person in the theater was, was the same way.
• 12:03
  Speaker 3: We, just everyone in the theater never stopped laughing the entire movie because you, you just sort of be getting over something funny that had just happened and sort of winding down, and then something else hilarious would happen, and they would just they.
• 12:19
  Speaker 3: You know, hans Bricks would be on the screen saying we'll like you, or write that and we will make it.
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: We'll write you a very stone letter telling you how angry we are.
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: You want to find out about that movie.
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: There's actually like Tray Parker and Matt Stone.
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: When the executives you know, like the producers were asking for, like you know, updates on it, they sent them just like the very beginning clip of the movie.
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: And if you've ever seen the beginning of the movie, it looks horrible, like it's supposed to look horrible, and it zooms out and it is where it actually is.
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: But they just sent them the first clip and one of the executives apparently stood up and said they fucked us like they were so mad.
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: That sounds exactly like what Tray Parker.
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: Exactly what I love those two dudes.
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: It's great.
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: I love them so much.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: Contest, episode 50.
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: We're just going to have a special event viewing of everybody.
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: You know we'll get everybody into a room together.
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: We'll have a special viewing of it.
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, God, team America, please, I'm in.
• 13:17
  Speaker 3: So if you had told me that South Park bigger, longer and uncut would still be relevant pop culture Touchstone in 2024.
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: And so incredibly relatable to everything that's going on.
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: If you told me when that came out that, yeah, like 30ish years from now, there's.
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: You know you're still going to be able to watch this movie and see the and you know, have chef asking the general have you ever heard of the Emancipation Proclamation?
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: I don't listen to it.
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know that movie.
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: It's like quite well possibly still be something we're thinking about in 2024.
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: And it's like no, no, we're in many ways going backwards.
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: I like this podcast shifted from like forget nutrition and like exercise.
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: What do you guys think of movies?
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: And like South Park, I feel like hey, it's our podcast.
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: We can do what we want to OK people.
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: Look hard enough, you could find connections in anything.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: And so where do we even go from here?
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: We'll fight our way back, if I so.
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: You train young people, children, yes, well, you turn those started my classes started five years old, five years old.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, ok, so I'll be a few more years, a few more years?
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I would love to know, like just kind of for people, because I was interested in, like you know, muay Thai and martial arts but I didn't really know where to start Like, I was just kind of like looking up places around here like gyms, so, like you know, maybe if you could give people just kind of like what to expect, what to look for, what to you know, just like you know, a few like tips on kind of like getting started until, like martial arts, because anybody listening I highly recommend looking into it.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: It's not like a lot of people think you show up and you immediately just start fighting people.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: So I've been close to that, so you know, like I definitely recommend it and I'd love to get just some tips for people, like you know it's interested in it.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely OK.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: So, as you said, proximity is the number one thing that's going to attract people to a martial arts gym.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: A lot of people who are involved in it, like I am, would like to think that people are doing more research and like have more specific kind of boxes they want to tick with the place they're going to.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: But the reality is it's like a gym, it's like a school, it's like a gym, it's like a grocery store.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: Most people who are interested in martial arts just Google martial arts and just go with the one closest to them.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: So there's a.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: There's a couple of things to cover there.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Number one would be people's motivation for starting martial arts, because a lot of people start martial arts as a form of exercise.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: This is not a bad thing, but there are things you should know if you're considering a martial art just because, like, you don't like going to the gym, you don't like running, you don't like running on treadmill, you don't like saying you're really glad because I've literally had people asking me what I think about martial arts as a form of exercise, yeah, and that's, and it's great that people are getting creative with their fitness goals.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Like, well, I, you know if they have the self-awareness to know, well, I'm just not going to go to a gym and lift weights and run on a treadmill or use an elliptical or bike or something like that for an hour or three times a week.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: I'm just not.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: So they're trying to find creative solutions to something that's going to get me active and working out on a regular basis, but that sort of makes me forget I'm working out.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Right, that's it.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: It's something interesting.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: They get to have fun with.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Something I've been, something that's interesting to pursue.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: That is also a workout, Right?
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: So for a lot of people that might be martial arts, it might be, you know.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Just maybe we just stick outside the gym a little bit and get outside do some cross country skiing, whatever it is.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: So if you are thinking of joining a gym or joining a martial arts for fitness, there are several major considerations.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Number one is that the focus of the gym where you are thinking of joining or is it a secondary sort of consequence of the training, Because every single martial arts website like people talk about like what chat GPT is good for and what it's not good for Writing martial arts marketing copy will be the easiest job for chat GPT of all time.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Because it's all, because every single one of them says the exact same thing.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Every single one says it's going to be an amazing workout, You're going to learn discipline and structure and self control and self defense.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: So you're going to.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: You're going to be great.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: People.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Like half of martial arts clubs are doing about half of those things Like A there's a lot of martial arts that are not a great workout.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: B there are a lot of martial arts clubs that are toxic as fuck.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: This is this an explicit podcast.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh Liam, Sweet, oh yeah.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I just realized I dropped it at the bottom.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: We can stop that kind of OK.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: So there are a lot of gyms that are super toxic, not at all welcoming.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of gyms who teach kids classes to help pay the bills but don't really like teaching kids and don't know how to teach kids because it is a very different skill from teaching adults, like teaching people who don't have a fully developed prefrontal cortex versus teaching people that do very different experience, very different skill set.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: So, and I've always said that, if you don't like teaching kids martial arts, you can't fake it.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: It's impossible to fake it.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: The kids, the kids know the parents might not know, but the kids know that if you just try to teach kids the way you teach adults, it's not going to work.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: So you can't go by the website because every single one of them is going to say it's amazing workout, ok.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: But there there's a spectrum from the sort of you know, nairau, 30 minute hit places, which are workouts that are vaguely martial arts themed, right.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: That's on this side where the the, the central focus, is giving you a good workout.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: You're not really learning martial arts, you're not doing anything.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Competitive, yeah, and I don't say that as a bad thing.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Right, there's.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: There's no said there's no such thing as a bad goal for, yeah, for joining a martial arts gym.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: If all you want is the workout, and the martial arts thing is just kind of a secondary consequence, might make things a little more interesting that's totally fine.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: It's just like any other kind of training.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: There's no such thing as a bad goal or a bad training method.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: There are training methods that don't align with the goals you're looking to achieve, and what's the do?
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Well, there's.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: So there is a bad training method.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: It's called V shred.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: So what would you say?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: for people who are getting into it for, like, exercise purposes, would you say.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Do you have like a form of martial arts that you maybe you'd recommend over the others, or they may stay away from?
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: it.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: It can come down to fitness goals because, like I was saying that there's a spectrum of those gyms that are sort of a workout that's vaguely martial arts themed Okay.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: And then over here you have people who are teaching martial arts and the martial arts, learning the martial art, is the central focus and they don't and it like whether or not you get a workout from it is not their main concern.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: It's not that front of mind.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Like, if you want to learn Brazilian jiu-jitsu and you want to be really good at Brazilian jiu-jitsu, there will be some Brazilian jiu-jitsu classes where it's really heavy technically and there's lots of information, but the class wasn't a great workout.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: And then there's also the component where the better you get at Brazilian jiu-jitsu, the more efficiently you can play the game of Brazilian jiu-jitsu, so the better you get at it.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: the worst of a workout.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: So, starting off, you're always going to get a good workout in because you just suck yes 100, 100%.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: And then there's clubs in between, like for me, I've been training for 21 years and coaching for most of that, and I've experimented with the idea of having sort of like workout classes for martial artists in and amongst the martial arts classes.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: And they always died, especially when it came to the adults over time, because a lot of the adults that were signing up weren't looking to get a martial arts experience and then go to a workout class too.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: They were joining the martial arts class to get the workout.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: So the only people who were really attracted to the idea of doing a workout and then on another martial arts class, which is also kind of a workout, were the young, competitive fighters.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: So if you are marketing to fighters, it's not going to be hard to convince them that yeah, you're going to do your jiu-jitsu classes and you're going to do your Muay Thai classes, you're going to do your boxing classes, you're going to do your wrestling classes and those will be a workout, but that's not the central focus.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: You also have your strength and conditioning to do.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: You also have your road work and your weightlifting.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: It's not going to be hard to convince them.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: But if you're marketing toward people who have families or are looking to train a couple of times a week.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: They're not going to get up any earlier in the morning because they're already getting up at six with their baby and they just want something they could do a couple of times a week.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: That is a good workout and is interesting.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: So my classes are mainly for teaching people martial arts.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: That's my main focus right Teaching self-defense, teaching martial arts.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: But I'm also conscious of the fact that a lot of people are signing up to get a workout.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: So it's always on my mind.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: It's not the main focus, but most of my classes are going to be a mix of things that are physically demanding by design and also kind of slower, more technical classes, kind of mixed in.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: So I don't market my martial arts classes as this is a 30 minute hit workout, because if people come in expecting that they're going to be, they're going to notice how much sitting around talking we do, right and I.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: But I also I also recognize that just training a jujitsu, especially at first, is hard and it's, and a lot of people are kind of surprised at how hard it can be, depending on what kind of martial arts experiences they've had.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: So what I would recommend is for people to not just go by the website but go by, like, try out at least a few places and maybe even just watch a class first, especially if you want to sign your kids up there.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: You need to.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: You need to watch the class with your, with your kids, to see not just how the instructor treats the brand new people that they're trying to market the class to, but also how they treat the kids that have been training there for five years.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Right, because you know that's the kid that's.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: That's how they're going to eventually treat your kid, right, every, every teacher is going to be the.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Every teacher is going to try to put their best foot forward with somebody who's just walking in as considering joining.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: So you can't really gauge what the long term experience is going to be based on the first few classes.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: So I always recommend trying out a few places, having you know, but trying a few classes, maybe even watching the class first and not even trying yourself.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Look not just at their website, but also the kinds of videos they post, right, because you know their social media will give you a glimpse into what's most important for it.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Right, if you're looking to get a good workout, then you can find martial arts gyms where 99% of the videos they post are like transformation videos Look what amazing shape this person got into, look how much weight you can lose, look how strong you can get.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: And then there's some places where all they post is like people standing on the podium getting medals Right, or like, oh, this you know we, you know we have the.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: We have the youngest yellow belt world champion, like it's.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: What they post on social media is what's most important to most of the time.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Would it be beneficial to go like talk to them in person and just ask them, say like, hey, I'm a dad, I don't have much time, I'm only looking for this.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Or would the instructors most likely just try and lead them into joining anyway and kind of tell them what they want?
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Like, is it beneficial to like ask them just certain questions or whatever?
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I imagine it probably depends on the integrity of the instructor.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, because, like I say, all of the websites say the same thing, right, generally speaking.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: But I don't think it's a bad thing to go in and talk to them because you know, even if they're trying to fool you, the way that they try to fool you will say, it will taste, you tell you something about them, right, right, like I've, I've had to turn away students that were you know, for instance, like I, I have students who compete and I I've had students who are very successful in competition, but Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu competition is not my central focus.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: At my dojo I teach a lot of self defense stuff.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I teach a lot of third party protection material for police and for police and security and stuff like that.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: So so I've had to turn away students that were like, yeah, like we're thinking of switching and like they want to know, like, how often are you running?
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: How often are you running summer camps for competitors?
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: How often are you teaching?
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: How often are you doing just competition training?
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: How much are you doing?
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: No-gi, how much are you doing?
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: And once I start to get the feeling that, oh, like they want to hit every tournament, they want to go to the San Diego Open, they want me to travel to coach them and stuff like that.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: They want to be a world champion someday.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: I have to tell them it's like look, I can teach you Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and if you want to compete, I can help you with that.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I have experience.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: I have expertise, but it's it's not my main focus.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: So the kind of people who are going to be attracted to train with me are probably not going to be the same kind of people who are attracted to a super competitive school where everybody's there just to go to tournaments and win medals.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: They don't care about self-defense, they don't care about anything else, right?
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: So even within the same martial art, you can have a range of different goals that you can achieve by training there.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: And if you're lucky, they'll be upfront, honest about that, because it's not like it makes my life easier as an instructor to have a bunch of people on the mats who I know I'm not meeting their expectations, right?
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Like who wants to deal with parents who are like, yeah, you've been, you've been teaching self-defense for a few classes now.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: I just I noticed that you haven't really been doing much sports training.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't want to have that conversation over and over again, right, right, that's not worth 140 bucks a month to me to have that kind of headache where I'm just constantly, constantly wondering if everyone on the mats is actually getting what they pay for Right.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: So in the long term I think it's better for the instructor to just kind of attract the personalities that want to do what I want to do with my classes and if you'd be happier somewhere else, go somewhere else.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: There's lots of gyms and you'll be happier there.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: I'll be happier that.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: You know I set you to the places I actually can achieve your goals for you.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: But so that's one thing.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: You have to go deeper.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: They're just reading the website and you have to go deeper than just whatever place is closest to you.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: That's the first thing.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: The other thing is what kind of martial arts are going to help you to achieve the particular fitness goal that you're looking to achieve?
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Because you know the thing that most, the thing that most often gets people into fitness in general not just martial arts or fitness is weight control.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Weight control is some kind right.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Whether they want to lose weight or just not gain weight like weight control is the number one sort of motivation for people to start a fitness program.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Pretty much always, always has been as long as we've been measuring that kind of thing, and once they, once they start doing something for losing weight, they'll often stay in fitness for other reasons.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know how many people have, like you know, joined a, joined a CrossFit gym, thinking they just want to lose weight and then just fall in love with, like, trying to get a better frantime, trying to get a better deadlift, like lots of people do.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: That they come for one reason and then they stay for another.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: But if you are looking to get into a martial art for fitness and your main goal is weight loss, it's going to become a more sort of complicated decision and it sucks, because you never wanted to sway somebody from doing something.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: That's active, right.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: But you also want to help people to be realistic about what kind of choices they can make that are going to help them to achieve their goals.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Because exercise, thermal genesis, like what you're like, what you're actually like, what calories you're burning while you're training, is a very small percentage of the total calories you're burning throughout a day.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you run, you can run 10K and burn off like one Mars bar, right.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: So so the thinking about what kind of workout is going like, what kind of martial art is going to help you achieve your goals?
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: There's not too many martial arts out there that are going to give you the kind of fitness regimen, just built into the martial art integrals of the martial arts training, without doing anything else, that's actually going to be most beneficial for weight control, which is building muscle, right, if you, because you know exercise, throw a Genesis built.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: You know, birds are very small percentage of the calories per day that you burn.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Most of it is burned by just your, your basal metabolic rate, just the, just the low, the low intensity activities that you're doing throughout the day, and that's governed primarily by how much muscle mass you have, like what your body composition is.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: The more muscle mass you have, the more calories you burn at rest or while doing low intensity activities.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: So, like was there, somebody wants to train for weight control and they're focused on oh, I burned this many calories on the elliptical today, right, doing a aerobic exercise.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Well, aerobic exercise is fantastic, you should do it, but it's, you know, aerobic exercise without changing anything else doesn't really get a help to lose weight or control weight all that much.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: So you know, basically, if somebody asks me how they should train to lose weight.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: I basically so train like a bodybuilder and go for short, frequent walks Like there's and there's not, and there's not really a whole lot of martial arts where the training modality of the martial art is like that Jiu-Jitsu is close, because Jiu-Jitsu you're actually moving a load, you're, you're, you're moving an exterior load with intensity, you're training your adiabatic energy systems.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: But something like you know boxing or kickboxing, which is very aerobically intensive, or you're not really moving an exterior load, you're, basically you're, you're mostly moving your own body.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: It's very aerobically taxing and you're not going to burn as many calories as you think doing it, and it's not the kind of thing that's likely to make a huge difference in how much, how many calories you're burning at rest, because it's not the best way to build muscle mass.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: So I never want to discourage people from doing something active.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Well, they weren't doing something active before because it will help, yeah.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: But you know, if people are thinking, well, I'm going to do everything, exactly what I'm doing now, but then I'm going to go and do kickboxing for an hour twice a week and it's going to make me, it's going to make me lose weight like crazy, it's probably not.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: You're going to have to combine that with other life choices and probably other kinds of training to actually achieve those kinds of goals.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I do want to make an argument for, for for working out, for for weight loss, because, yes, it's 100% true, the calories you burn at the very minimal.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: But there's a couple of things I definitely find when people start working out, it just encourages them inherently just to make better like diet choices.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: You're like okay, I went to the gym today, I did something.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Maybe, instead of getting the bucket of Popeyes chicken that I normally get, I might actually pick something healthier.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Just because I did that, like I don't know, there's something about just starting like kind of a health fitness journey, that just the momentum happens, the ball starts rolling and you're like okay now I'm going to do something.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I'm saying is that I'm not going to lose weight for punching Liam in the face, but it might inspire me to eat, to go then eat a banana, because you would do so.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: So and also on top of that, I find when people start like going to the gym, one of the main reasons they kind of they they end up losing weight is just because they're kind of out of the house as well.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Because when you're at home and there's just nothing going, I'll tell you like if I'm just like binge watching a show or whatever, I'll just you know chips or whatever you know I'm eating, I can plow through that easy.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: So when you're just out of the house, you're not snacking, you're not doing anything that you're actually, you're doing something.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: You know, for me at least, exercise suppresses my appetite.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not like on a you know, working out, lifting weights on a treadmill, like I cannot wait to eat a whole cake.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: That's what I want right now is just a full on cream cheese frosting, because that's the best frosting.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: I don't care what you say.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: You're wrong if you say anything otherwise.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: And then you know, I'm not, I'm not snacking, I'm actually somewhere else, so I those are the two things I find help, even more than just the calories you burn.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, you're, you're 100% correct about that.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: That's actually something else that's that's great to mention is that when you become active, there are there are so many sort of secondary branches of lifestyle choices that usually go along with that.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Because if you eat like crap all the time and then you try to train a jujitsu for days or four days a week, your body is going to rebel against that.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: You're going to you're going to be like, if you like jujitsu and you want to keep doing jujitsu and you want to get better at jujitsu, absolutely it's going to give you something.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: It's going to give you something to inspire you to make those other choices.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Because when you drink more water, when you, when you you know address injuries, when you get more sleep, when you eat better quality food, you feel that difference when you go to jujitsu.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: So, like if you, if you have that sort of anchor in your life or it's like I like this, I want to do better at this, I don't want to have to take four days to recover after doing a jujitsu class it's definitely going to be a source of inspiration for for every, for all those other little choices that you can make.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Also, being around other like minded people.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Because yes.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Because if you're, if you're sitting around the house, you're not hanging out with anybody.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: If you're going to jujitsu, you're going to be hanging out with a lot of people and, statistically speaking, most of them either joined for the same reason you did, so they're in a similar kind of situation to you, so you can, you can bond over that and even if it's not an, even if it's not an actively acknowledged thing, sort of hold each other accountable, or you're going to run into a lot of people who you know also lift weights, also, run also, you know, go skiing also.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: So you're going to be around like minded people who, once again, it's just like sort of osmosis you hang around you talk about how important community is, several times Like what did you do this week?
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I'm training for like a 5k.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, that sounds interesting.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'll do that as well, like you know that sort of thing.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Just you're around people who are interested in being physically active and hopefully other healthy choices as well.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: So I think that's one of the best reasons to go.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, and I mean that's ultimately when people go to a gym.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: I think the community, like when people go to a gym and actually stay at the gym and start training there regularly, community has a lot to do with that and I actually I really miss that about going to the gym.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: There's not many things I miss about having to go to a gym, but I train alone or just with my son sort of puttering around with me most of the time.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: I don't have training partners that I train with full time.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I train in my basements or train at my dojo.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: I got two gyms but I'm usually training alone and the training is the same.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: But I do miss, like you know, saying hi to a couple people or it's.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Most of my best friends were either dojo friends or gym friends and I've been lucky to keep those friends into my 30s.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: But like if I had to make friends from scratch now, where the hell would I find them?
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Right here.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Oh no, don't find friends on TikTok.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: It might go well, but it'll probably go terribly.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Well, if you've got a million followers, you got a million friends, right?
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I guess that's exactly how.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: That's what I tell myself to go to sleep every thousand friends and 800,000 haters.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Most of them are haters, but you know what they also help.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: So thanks, haters.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Well it's they help, but they help us a little less be Canadian and not be able to actually box right.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: I think so, which is always hilarious to me whenever somebody's like you're a paid government shield.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, the page is so funny.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to sign up for that.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Have I been missing out on something?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love the paid.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: I love it so great.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's not as simple a choice as just join a martial art and get into amazing shape.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Because, right, not all martial arts are created equal in terms of how good a work up they are.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: And if it's not the main focus of the class then you might find it a little bit disappointing, right?
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Because and part of that is just again, people sort of mixed expectations around exercise in general, because a lot of people, like when I teach my courses I talk about this a lot because I teach things like nonlinear periodization stuff like that, where you're not trying to actually kill yourself every workout.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: The program is supposed to build to a peak and kind of build that long term momentum, whereas a lot of that and in Europe and Asia it seems like a lot less of a problem.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: If you tell somebody in Asia that their trainer tells them, yeah, you're going to do five sets of five at 70 percent, it's not going to be hard, but we're building towards something, they kind of understand that better.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: That's just my anecdotal experience anyway.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: But in North America people seem to have this idea that if they're not dragging themselves through a pool of sweat and blood and vomit at the end of the workout, that they didn't achieve anything.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's because that's what they've been taught, right.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: When you watch something like an infomercial for insanity, x plus reaming, and you're like oh God, and then it starts off and they're just dying and throwing up and they're sweating everywhere and they're like this is what it takes to lose weight, I mean I guess I'm going to purchase it, do it once and then give up.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, if that's what I have to do, Well it's.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, and a lot of people will they have this kind of well, if it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing, right, like if they don't have a background in fitness or they don't happen to have a trainer, if they haven't actually hired a trainer.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are just like well, I don't know how much is enough, but I know that if I do too much, that I'm definitely doing enough.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: They don't see that point of diminishing return.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: And surely, if I'm working out for 90 minutes a day after doing nothing but sitting on a couch for five years, I'm going to lose weight, yeah, and they're not wrong, but it's.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: I think it takes for a lot of people some trial and error to get to that place where they understand that a program that is sustainable and consistent is way better than one that is, you know, get some super high highs and super low lows.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: I would say, like you do your P90X for a month and then you'll train for another two years.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you feel bad about it.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Figure, it was you, not the P90X.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: So you go back to the P90X, do it for another month, so it's oh, it's just like, you know, weight loss programs where they're like.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: The entire process is designed for people to lose a lot of weight really quickly, stop the program, then gain the weight back and do it over again.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: So this, and it takes just long enough.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: It's very scientifically developed.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: It takes just long enough for them to fall off, the fall off, the fall off and gain all the weight back.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: That they don't connect it to the unsustainability of the program.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: They were on.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they connected to.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Well, when I was on the program I was great, yeah, and now that it's just me without the program, I failed again.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Right, they've been victim blaming.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Yay, it's hard for them to make that connection.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: It's like, well, if I just go back to the program, then I'll be fine again.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Right, I'm the one I can't trust.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: What if we took an abusive relationship and made it into a fitness program?
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: I like what you're thinking.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: We could make money off that.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I would encourage anybody who's into, who's interested in like martial arts to, you know, understand that the possibly losing weight in the out of y'all that's great.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: But to focus on just like the mental aspect of it for a second, for me that's that's my favorite part.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: You go there one, you're just talking to people, it's just fun, you just chatting.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Exercise is great for your mental health in general.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: And there's just something I think just about martial arts like I said kind of at the beginning it's it is this physical and sort of aggressive in a way, but also sort of peaceful and relaxing thing that I I has this good combination for me, at least that's how I've experienced it and I really enjoy it.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: So I would encourage anyone to at least try it.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Go to a place, watch a class, try a class whatever, something like that.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Definitely watch the class, definitely look, like I say, look at social media, see what's important to them.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Because I'm, I'm, I'm glad that I could be the one to tell whoever's listening to this that there is nothing inherent to martial arts that will make you a better person by training at it.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there, like, if somebody like there, there are lots of terrible people in the martial arts community.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Oh sure.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: And they were, and they were terrible people before and then they got a black belt to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and now they're just a tougher, more confident, more dangerous, terrible person and and and and I, like I've seen you know, without naming names, I've seen lots and lots of people, lots of examples, in the Jiu Jitsu community, the MMA community, where I just I, I look at them and I listen to them and I see what they post on social media and I see the values that they have, that they're not even trying to hide, and I'm just like people sign their kids up to train with this guy, right, like this.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: It's.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: It's dumbfounding to me that you know people can say the things they do and do the things they do and you know hate the people they hate and still have not only students but like kids being signed up to train with them.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: So, like, definitely watch a class, definitely.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Like, look at their social media, see what's important to them.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Try out a few classes, try more than one.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Like, try three, try three classes.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: It's three different places.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Before you try, before you actually sign up for one, they're not all the same.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: All the websites will look the same, yeah, right, but they're not everything, I think, I guys if you're listening, I think all the websites might look the same I think they might all be chat GBT generated.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Come find discipline and lose weight and better yourself.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the, the.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's definitely some, there's definitely some resentment built up there, like you know, when it comes to just the self-defense aspect of it.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Because there's, because there's a, there's a, there's a.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: There's a totally different approach for teaching self-defense versus teaching martial arts to say, go to tournaments and win medals, like what I'm teaching Brazilian jiu-jitsu for self-defense, where I am teaching Brazilian jiu-jitsu techniques this, this, it's the same macro techniques.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: So the bones of the martial art are the same, the, you know the basic positioning and leverage and control positions and distance management, and the training methods are very kind of similar.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: But when you teach them in context for going to a tournament or a cage fight or a Brazilian jiu-jitsu tournament or or something like that, where you are fighting somebody else who is also a trained fighter and there are rules and referees and safety gear and and everything else, and then you start training Brazilian jiu-jitsu in context for self-defense, where we are taking into account multiple attackers, weapons, verbal de-escalation, concrete walls, like there.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: There are so many things about teaching Brazilian jiu-jitsu in context for self-defense that just training Brazilian jiu-jitsu for sport jiu-jitsu like just going to tournaments and winning medals I will still bet on somebody who does nothing but sport jiu-jitsu 99% of the time, for sure, but if you're going to advertise that you train people for self-defense but then never actually teach self-defense in context, taking into account any of these things, you shouldn't have it on your website.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Right and it's.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: It's not a bad thing, because Brazilian jiu-jitsu the sport is is exploded in popularity.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Like when I train, I mean I'm really bad, Holy shit.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, MMA has been popular for a while now and that was definitely sort of the gateway drug for the sport Brazilian jiu-jitsu because a lot of people liked the idea of being an MMA fighter but didn't like the idea of getting punched in the face.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Okay, Start competing in jiu-jitsu.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: This is for you Wait why?
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Because nobody else says just me, okay, that's fine.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: But you know, the back of the day, when I started training in Brazilian jiu-jitsu, the the communities of MMA and Brazilian jiu-jitsu especially here in Canada where we're lagging behind the United States community development MMA and Brazilian jiu-jitsu were basically synonymous.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Like this, like if you went to a Brazilian jiu-jitsu tournament in 2004, 90% of all the people they are competing in Brazilian jiu-jitsu, the sport.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: You're also MMA fighters.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Like it was just another thing that was wet with being an MMA fighter.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Just now you can go to a tournament in Blackfaults.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Blackfaults and Red Deer are kind of the two main sort of tournament cities for Alberta, because it's it's a decent enough drive for Alberta for an Edmonton and Calgary to attract people in both.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: But I mean you can go to a Brazilian jiu-jitsu tournament where there's like 1200 people signed up for it and very, very few of them have ever had an MMA fight or ever will have an MMA fight, like, like, whereas you know the 2004 is like you would hear that there was a tournament happening in Lethbridge and drive five and a half hours to Lethbridge to have two matches and then drive back home on the same day Like there was nothing and where there was something, it was all MMA fighters.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: Now the sport of Brazilian jiu-jitsu itself has exploded.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: So it's it's hugely popular and there are a lot of clubs who are focusing 100% on competitive sport jiu-jitsu.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: And when people sign their kids up there, they're just looking at it as another sport, right, they're not really thinking of it as a as a combative martial arts.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: They're thinking well, he tried soccer and like it.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: He tried hockey, he didn't like it.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: We're going to try jiu-jitsu.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Right, I didn't like it.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Jitak, get out of Canada.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: I don't play hockey as a kid.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, son.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Do you have your Canadian citizenship card?
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Can you just hand that over real quick for anything?
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: You know how often I get asked if I'm a real Canadian or a real American.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Are you a real Canadian, though, right now?
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: One of those fake Canadians that just walk around all the time?
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm one of those.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: I'm one of those fake Albertans that saw the wind turbines on my drive here and was actually happy about it.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: I don't see either of your heads bobbing up and down when you talk, so I'm pretty sure you're not actually Canadian?
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Hey, buddy, I'm not so funny guy.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: I'm not so guy friend.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: It's well, it's funny because we don't even hear the Canadian accent when we're talking to each other, it's only when you go to like California they're like seriously, I mean like.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: It's like.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, I guess I do say a Like, I mean it just comes out, I don't even think about it, yeah.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's one of those things where it's like, if you're, if you're you know, if you're not teaching self-defense, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but if you're not teaching it, don't say that that's a benefit, because there are going to be, because there's going to be people like and what?
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: I debate this with people, as I have many times, you know.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: We'll get to a point in the conversation where they're like okay, fine, like we don't teach self-defense, but there's all these other benefits.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, yeah, but you're admitting that to me now because I have an education and expertise and a background and a frame of reference where you can't bullshit me.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: You're admitting that to me now in our one-on-one conversation.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: When somebody comes in and is asking to sign up at your gym, are you telling them that you don't really teach self-defense?
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: You're admitting it to me, but it's still on your side, it's still on your website.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: It's that you're still using it to market to people one-on-one when they come in.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: So that means that somebody could walk in who's actually dealing with a very serious situation, right?
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: They want to train in Brazilian jiu-jitsu, not because they want to go to a tournament and win medals, but because they have an X.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: Their word is going to come back and beat them up because they just got into jail.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: That's why they're training in a martial art.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah Well, and fool and taking advantage of those people, whether you know you're doing it or not, I don't think is acceptable.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: So it's not just about money.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: It's also about just being a good person and not taking advantage of people who don't have the background, don't have the expertise, don't have the bullshit meter to understand who they're talking to and how they might not be getting out of this, what they think they're getting out of it.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: It's going to be real world consequences for that.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: I think the single most important thing I personally think you said in regards to the self-defense was the verbal de-escalation which nobody who's training for tournaments.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: They're not going to train that.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: No, we're both here.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: We both signed waivers, we both know we're going to get into fights, although I would totally watch that.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: I would 100% watch a Brazilian jujitsu match where the goal is to verbally disarm the other person and get them to step down.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: They just think it a little podium.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to watch it.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to lie, I would 100% watch that.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: That would be good for a YouTube gag, to have somebody sign up for a martial arts tournament or something like that.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: And then, all of a sudden, one of these 20 sets goes well, dude, you're just trying to punch me.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: Hold on, we are not on the same wave.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: What did I do?
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Let's start over.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: What's your name?
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Where do you come from?
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we can handle this.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Let's workshop up what's going on in your life.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: That's making you so angry.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: And how can I help you?
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to do, whatever it was.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: But it's one of those things where, if you only ever trained at a place where they taught sport Brazilian jujitsu or boxing or anything else and somebody asks you, well, are you learning self-defense?
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: It probably wouldn't even occur to you that you had spent no time thinking about verbal de-escalation in your training for boxing, because why would you?
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: But it's one of those things where it seems obvious once you're told.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: But it's not something that the average person without a background would even think about.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: But it's like arguably the most important part of the training.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like I remember when I was seven and I first started training and I first tried karate when I was seven, and I remember the self-defense aspect of the training that I got in that class when I was seven, when they were like OK, self-defense time.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: They throw a punch at you.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: You go blah, blah, blah.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: It's like, well, look at back at that now.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: You know what I know.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: It's like well, it's kind of turning the movie on in the middle, isn't it Like why is the guy punching me?
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: We're just fast-forwarding right to the part where he's punching me.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: That's the self-defense training.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: It's like how many people are just walking up and punching you in the face, that you think this is applicable self-defense training.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: How many Steven Seagal movies have you watched?
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: The?
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: chat right now that there was no other way to handle this but for or?
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: Here's another good example.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: How about talking about proportionality and your self-defense response?
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Right, because Canada's criminal code it's a little different in the wild west, down where you are, but that's on a state-by-state basis.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Listen, we have freedom down here.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: If I have the freedom to punch whoever I want, okay.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is my freedom.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: It's like Jimbo and Ned say, well, it's coming right for us, it's coming right for us.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: So as you yell, it's coming right for us.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: You punch whoever you want, it's great.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: But you know what I'm teaching little kids, right?
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: I'm teaching the techniques that I'm talking about.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: How well, just because they shove you doesn't mean that you get to just throw them on the concrete and break boats.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: That's not a reasonable response.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: You're going to be the one who gets in trouble for that.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: Right, because Canada's criminal code section 33, I think it is the deals with self-defense specifically actually lays out a bunch of criteria that will be considered by the judge that's handling your case, and a lot of the criteria are all about kind of what options you had and when you had them.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: Right, and essentially, if you defend yourself physically and self-defense, even if they attacked you first, you still have to be able to make a case that any reasonable person in your position would have done what you did.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: So if somebody throws a punch at me and I, you know, sweep the punch, close the distance, take that out of the ground and hold them down, at that point I'm no longer under threat.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: So if I start dropping elbows on the guy now, I'm going to get I could potentially get in a lot of trouble for that?
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Because what option?
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: Because I had the option not to hurt this guy anymore after that point and I made the choice to hurt him.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: So that conversation is not going to happen in boxing, it's not going to happen in competition.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Brazilian jiu-jitsu, right, it's where you know, like I'll look at some self-defense training videos and it's like, oh yeah, the, the, the defense to like push on the shoulder is like palm heel, strike to the face, throw on the car.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: It's like that could literally kill someone.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: If I do, if I do also to guard on somebody and throw them on the ground and they don't know how to break, fall, they don't know what I'm doing, and they hit their head on the concrete, they could literally not figuratively die from that.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: So you have to teach martial arts.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: If you're teaching for self-defense, especially if you're teaching to tactical populations police, fire, police, soldiers, security you have to mix the physical techniques that you're teaching with their, with their use of force, parameters that they have to operate Right.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: You know how many?
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: How many guys have you heard that were, you know, worked as bouncers and bragged about how many fights they got into as bouncers and how awesome they are.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Like you're, you're bragging about being bad at your job.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: It's true.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Who brags about being bad at their job?
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: That is also the American way, in case you haven't heard.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: If you're, if you work security or personal protection or you're a bouncer, whatever it is, and you're getting into fights all the time, that's you being bad at your job.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: Your job is to cool the temperature down, to make sure everyone's having fun, to make sure everybody is safe, even the person you're kicking out of the bar.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: It's your job to make sure that they're safe.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: So you know, when you talk about like use of force, well, if you're training in boxing or Muay Thai to go and have ring fights, there's no use of force.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Conversation there, right, we're not, we're not bringing up the Canadian criminal code.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: So, like I say, I don't, I don't care.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: If a gym doesn't want to teach self-defense, it's not your area of expertise, you don't.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: You don't like teaching it, you don't want to teach it, fine, take it off the website.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: Take it off the site, right.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: Like there there's, there's a.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: There's no harm in that, there's no shame in that.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: There is harm and shame in in trying to advertise yourself as something you're not Right, right.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: So they think for personal training, they think for nutrition.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: Like, there's lots of personal trainers who are not qualified to teach an off season football player, right, how to get, how to get themselves ready for next season, or you know a AAA hockey player who needs to.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: You can use to gain size and and and be able to be higher performance to be able to move to the next level contact, whatever it is.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of personal trainers who are very well equipped to handle a certain kind of clientele not great, not well equipped to handle a different kind of clientele but when there's money on the line, how many of them are actually going to have the integrity to say, look, this isn't my area of expertise?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: I would rather refer you to this person who specializes in this sort of thing.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: I will say I kind of have to get back to getting Oakley so my wife can finish up her job because you know she works from home.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: So I kind of I hear her in there and I got, I got, I got, I got to take care of her.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Kind of got, got to get.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got, I got to get her.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, well, the biggest thing I got from this is similar to what we say about cardio, in that don't do it just for weight loss.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Look at it as a way to become active, whether that is the way to become healthy, and do it in a form that you enjoy.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, the best, the best form of training is the one you'll do.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Right and don't pay attention to their websites.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in the.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: I was in the I think you take from this, it's go watch Sal Fart.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, and then second thing don't pay attention to the website of the Marshal Arts.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Student knows Jim's.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: I used to make that mistake.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: I was like I started working at fitness retail around the same time that I was really getting going as a kettlebell instructor, and when I first started selling fitness equipment to people, I thought my job was to try to convince every single person that came in the door that they should be training with kettlebells.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: And I, you know, as I, as I grew up more and matured and developed more empathy, I I started understanding okay, what they like is what they're going to do.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you all you have is a hammer, everything else is a nail.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: That's one of my favorite quotes.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: All right, well, pretty soon Amber's going to come in and throw Oakley at your head.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, april, yeah, april and Oakley.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: April, not Amber.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: I got the A right.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: It's close enough.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Whatever, I don't care.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Listen, Liam wasn't popular in the past and I was everything from Leo to Leon to Neil.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: It didn't matter.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Names are stupid.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: It's all just a fabrication that we've come up with.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: It's okay, next time I'll call her Amanda or something.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Just every time it's a new name.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: Lots of people should take away from this.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: Watch South Park and names are stupid.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: And names are dumb.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Names are stupid.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: There we come.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: Names are stupid.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people who just thought so Not take.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: I don't like names, goodbye.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: Everyone should get numbers and barcodes.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, there we go.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: But if you guys want to talk like Canadian politics or something, you stay on and tell people about that, Because I'm sure you've got just hours of material from stuff that I've heard that's going on there.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: But for me, this American is what?
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Wait Cartman's, screw you guys and go home.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: So now that Liam has absolutely ditched us, where can everyone else find you?
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Screw, liam, liam's got a lot to find you.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: He's not going to get to hear this.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Where can everyone else find you?
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm really only on TikTok.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: We're Canadian, we can't monetize, we don't get shit from TikTok, so it's like.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: But I started my TikTok as just kind of a creative outlet somewhere to talk about politics and philosophy and social commentary and stuff like that we're, instead of just dumping it all on my wife every time she tries.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: She tries hard.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: But when I start talking about Dwight Eisenhower's breakmanship policies, it's just not something she tends to be interested in.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: So I started as an outlet.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: I never saw myself having 230,000 followers, so it's been a weird ride for me.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: But you can find me on TikTok at the Warrior Philosopher all on word, not the Warrior Philosopher One.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: I have my first stake, the Appreciator account.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: Congratulations.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: Now I know I've arrived.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: It's probably in America that's actually making money off of it.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they do.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: They're just like skier content and they monetize it.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so if you've got a friend request from the Warrior Philosopher One, just know that that's not me.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: I guess their Depois.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: I've never seen before Like we're standing here honoring their Hehheldays and look at that.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Come on, that's a cool idea.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Nice, there we go.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe they'll make the trip Fantastic.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: All right, liam's not allowed.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: No, liam's allowed.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: You have to put that sign on your door.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: No, no, liam's allowed Like any Liam or just him.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: We open it up to all of them.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: I don't have to find out his last name or maybe his number and bar date.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the number.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: We got rid of names.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: That's right Number.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: And bar code Damn.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: We should have thought this through before we abolished.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: But before we abolished names, we should have thought of some of the implications for it.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we also should have stamped up.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: Oh well, it's okay, he's tagged.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep.