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AKA Tibz court case · Drive with John Perlman

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  Speaker 1: Well, a court case that is being widely covered and
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  Speaker 1: indeed attended by journalists, members of the public, and family
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  Speaker 1: as well. Is the trial of six men accused of
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  Speaker 1: murdering the performer, the singer, rapper, Kynan, a.k.a. Forbes, and
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  Speaker 1: his friend, the chef, Tibelo Tibs Mutswane. Trial underway today.
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  Speaker 1: Quite a lot of video footage being shown from what
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  Speaker 1: I could see by glancing up at TV screens. But
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  Speaker 1: Tabiso Gorba, our EWN colleague, is there at the moment
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  Speaker 1: and joins us now. Tell me, Saul, what has the
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  Speaker 1: court heard about today? Good afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: Good afternoon, John. Now, what I have to say today
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  Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily exciting. day of the trial. As you said,
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  Speaker 2: we've been shown video footage today. We understand that the
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  Speaker 2: gentleman testifying today, a detective within SAPS, he works on
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  Speaker 2: the technical side of serious crime investigations. Basically, his job, John,
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  Speaker 2: is to collect CCTV footage whenever there's a serious crime
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  Speaker 2: and then analyze that footage, obviously, to try and paint
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  Speaker 2: a picture of exactly what happened. And that's what this
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  Speaker 2: gentleman has done Mr. Rajen Sanders for the SAPS. And
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  Speaker 2: he's collected about footage from 17 different locations. There's 22
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  Speaker 2: pieces of footage that he has with a combined time
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  Speaker 2: of about three hours. And what has been happening in
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  Speaker 2: quotes today is just a forensic look at that footage.
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  Speaker 2: And as I said, it's been very technical. It hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been very much exciting. But the overall picture, John, of
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  Speaker 2: what we've sort of gleaned from the footage is that
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  Speaker 2: it is now clear that on the 10th of February, 2023,
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  Speaker 2: this is the day that Mr. Keenan, a.k.a. Forbes, was killed.
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  Speaker 2: On that day, he landed at the O.R. Tsambu airport
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  Speaker 2: in Durban. He was followed. He was followed from the airport.
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  Speaker 2: He was followed to his hotel. And then he was
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  Speaker 2: followed to the Wish restaurant, which is where he eventually
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  Speaker 2: was killed. One of the interesting things that stuck out today, John,
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  Speaker 2: is that Mr. Rajen Sanders has now positively identified the
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  Speaker 2: man behind the following of Mr. Kenan, a.k.a. Forbes. And
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  Speaker 2: that is accused number two, Mr. Mziwetemba Kwabini. We've seen
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  Speaker 2: him following Mr. Forbes on the toll gates. We've seen him,
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  Speaker 2: we've seen his car, a car that was rented out
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  Speaker 2: to him, circling the hotel that Mr. Forbes was staying at.
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  Speaker 2: But we've also seen that same car also outside Wish
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  Speaker 2: Restaurant where Mr. Forbes and W.T. Motwane were eventually killed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and tell me, so, I mean, do we have
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  Speaker 1: any sense of what's coming up in the coming days?
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  Speaker 1: You know, this going through the footage, as you say,
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  Speaker 1: quite painstaking, obviously important evidence on behalf of the state.
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  Speaker 1: Do we know what other witnesses are expected to come
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  Speaker 1: forward and what we might hear from them?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I... I do know that the state has said
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  Speaker 2: they're going to be a tracker, someone from the tracking
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  Speaker 2: business who's going to be testifying. We do know that
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  Speaker 2: the cars that were used as getaway cars or your
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  Speaker 2: cars that were used to follow Kenan around A lot
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  Speaker 2: of these cars were leased from professional companies, so a
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  Speaker 2: lot of them as trackers. So there will be a tracker,
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  Speaker 2: someone from these tracking companies who's going to be testifying
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  Speaker 2: around the spots where these cars were. So obviously trying
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  Speaker 2: to draw a distinction that When Mr. AKA Kenan Forbes
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  Speaker 2: was killed, these cars were in the vicinity. But we
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  Speaker 2: are also still expecting testimony, John, from the bodyguard of Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Kenan Forbes. We know that Mr. Forbes, at the time
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  Speaker 2: he was killed, he was with a bodyguard. And there
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  Speaker 2: has been a lot of questions, John, from both the
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  Speaker 2: state and the defense over where has the bodyguard been?
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  Speaker 2: Where was the bodyguard when Mr. Kenyon Forbes was killed?
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  Speaker 2: And where was he after Mr. Kenyon Forbes was killed?
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  Speaker 2: And he's listed as one of the people who's supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be testifying and is also listed as one of
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  Speaker 2: the victims of the attempted murder cases, which are the
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  Speaker 2: additional charges. that the accused are also facing. So we're
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  Speaker 2: still expecting to hear from his side of the story.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Tabiso Gorbe is keeping an eye
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  Speaker 1: on what's going on at the murder trial, the trial
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  Speaker 1: of six men accused of murdering Kenan Forbes and Tibelo Mutswane.
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  Speaker 1: More on that as it unfolds through the course of
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  Speaker 1: the day and indeed over the rest of the week.