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Lori Vallow Guilty, What's Next · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease Cole Mom Laurie Valo finally convicted,
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  Speaker 1: but what about Chad Dabell. And now we learn that
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  Speaker 1: coltman Laurie Valo, Hey, it ain't over yet. She's heading
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  Speaker 1: to Arizona for yet another murdered case that in the
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  Speaker 1: shooting death of her husband, Charles Valo. Now that would
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  Speaker 1: be her fourth husband, Charles Value. The prophet Chad Dabell
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  Speaker 1: was number five.
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  Speaker 2: And I got.
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  Speaker 1: A pretty sneaky suspicion that the prophet is going off script.
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  Speaker 1: I do not believe that Unlike his wife, the Goddess
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  Speaker 1: Laurie Valo, I don't think he's going to stand by
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  Speaker 1: her at trial. I think he's going to sell her
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  Speaker 1: straight down the river. Joining me right now is the
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  Speaker 1: founder and director of the Cold Case Research Institute, forensic
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  Speaker 1: expert in star of a hit podcast, Zone seven, Cheryl McCollum. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, after we learned that, it's kind of hard
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  Speaker 1: for it to come out. After we learned that the
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  Speaker 1: prophet Chad day Bell's penis was named the Storm. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: that was like eating a dirt sandwich in court, which
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  Speaker 1: I've had to do many many times. It looks like
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  Speaker 1: the prophet Chad day Bill and the Storm are going
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  Speaker 1: on trial for murder. Tell me your thoughts A on
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  Speaker 1: the verdict regarding caled Mam Laurie Valo, and B what's
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  Speaker 1: up for the Storm?
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  Speaker 3: The verdict was absolutely just an accurate I think that
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  Speaker 3: a lot of us are waiting and waiting to be
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  Speaker 3: able to say convicted murderer, you know, Louis Valo, and
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  Speaker 3: we can do that now, and I think Mother's Day
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  Speaker 3: is an appropriate weekend to be able to do that.
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  Speaker 3: Regarding the Storm, I think the Storm is going down.
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  Speaker 1: I think that he yeah, you know what, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to try to ignore your phraseology, but go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: I think putting the.
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  Speaker 1: Storm and going down in one sentence is just too much,
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  Speaker 1: but go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: That's just you.
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  Speaker 3: But she realizes absolutely what's coming for him. So he
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  Speaker 3: knows one, you've got the murder charge, you know that
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  Speaker 3: he's facing. But he knows he's probably more than likely
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  Speaker 3: going to be somehow implicated in what happened to Charles
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  Speaker 3: because you had a million dollars on the line here,
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  Speaker 3: you had a crime scene that was staged, and his
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  Speaker 3: name's going to be all over it. No question about it.
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  Speaker 1: The extradition off Calmont Laurie Valo to Arizona is coming up.
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  Speaker 1: It could be weeks, it could be months. We know
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  Speaker 1: that it's going to be three months until she is sentenced. Interestingly,
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  Speaker 1: the DPE death penalty off the table for Lori Valo,
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  Speaker 1: but not so for Chad day Bell.
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  Speaker 2: And this is what I think is the reasoning behind that.
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  Speaker 1: As you know, Cheryl McCollum, they are very strict deadlines
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  Speaker 1: that the state has to meet. I remember, I think
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  Speaker 1: you may have been there. It's a big blur.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: We have this giant, giant Xerox machine at the District
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  Speaker 1: Attorney's office. It literally took up a room and there
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  Speaker 1: was a strict deadline. If I wanted to start a
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  Speaker 1: trial on let's just say Monday the tenth, very often
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  Speaker 1: it would be the Friday night before, ten days before
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  Speaker 1: I would have to be getting out discovery because it
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  Speaker 1: had to be postmarked ten days.
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  Speaker 2: Prior to trial.
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  Speaker 1: Normally I'd hand it over much much longer before that,
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  Speaker 1: but that is xerox machine would break down and I
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  Speaker 1: would be in there throwing a fit all alone, to
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  Speaker 1: be like ten o'clock at night, trying to xerox, the
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  Speaker 1: defendant statements and the crime lab report and this, and yes,
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  Speaker 1: I would have shared it with a defense like here,
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  Speaker 1: you can look at the file, but you had to
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  Speaker 1: actually give it to them. You couldn't just show it
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  Speaker 1: to me. You had to give it to them before
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  Speaker 1: a certain deadline or that evidence would not be allowed
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  Speaker 1: at trial. You know, scientific reports like this is positive
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  Speaker 1: for cocaine, and these are his fingerprints, and this says
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  Speaker 1: the fiber from his.
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  Speaker 2: Carpet blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, then I would have to drive it to the
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta airport because they had the very last I guess
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  Speaker 1: FedEx or mailing that would go out at midnight and
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  Speaker 1: it had to be postmarked that day or it wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: come in.
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  Speaker 2: I'm leading up to something. Just go with me on this.
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  Speaker 1: As the investigation was, you know, rapidly accelerating leading up
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  Speaker 1: to trial, the state found evidence like that long blonde
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  Speaker 1: hair that absolutely DNA proved was Lori Valo's on the
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  Speaker 1: tape wrapped around seven year old JJ. That happened within
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  Speaker 1: the discovery period. And I think that a lot, well
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  Speaker 1: not a lot, some very vital evidence was discovered during
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  Speaker 1: that period. And it was too late to hand it.
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  Speaker 1: It was handed over, but it didn't meet the deadlines.
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  Speaker 2: Now why is that important?
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  Speaker 1: Because Lori Valo called mal Lauri Valo had filed a
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  Speaker 1: demand for speedy trial, so the trial couldn't be further no,
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  Speaker 1: oister continued a month later. It had to be done
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  Speaker 1: then or else should be acquitted under the law. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that's why they took the DP off the table,
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  Speaker 1: because the state could not not that they were doing
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  Speaker 1: anything sneaky or nefarious. They could not meet that that deadline.
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  Speaker 1: And I believe that's why the DP was taken off
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  Speaker 1: the table.
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  Speaker 2: That's just me.
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  Speaker 3: That's a solid reason. But let's talk about the reality.
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  Speaker 3: If you have the deathiny.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all the discovery deadlines, they're not real. Is
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  Speaker 1: that what you're saying?
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm saying something regarding the destinity in prison.
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  Speaker 3: If you get the destinery, you get a single cell
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  Speaker 3: by yourself, you get total privacy. I would like to
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  Speaker 3: see her in general population. I would like for her
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  Speaker 3: to see the full effect of being in prison the
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  Speaker 3: rest of her days. That's just me.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So that was okay, that was an okay observation.
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  Speaker 2: But who wouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: Can we talk about the strongest evidence at the trial.
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  Speaker 1: And I believe that hair that I was just describing
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  Speaker 1: was incredibly, incredibly strong.
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  Speaker 3: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Another thing, the sexting. While the bodies are
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  Speaker 1: buried in his pet cemetery, he the prophet and she
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  Speaker 1: the goddess are exchanging sex messages over and over and
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  Speaker 1: over as they plot to kill Tammy Dave Bell.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it removes every.
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  Speaker 1: Shred of a facade of a motherly concern for these children.
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  Speaker 2: Everything.
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  Speaker 1: All she is concerned about is hopping in the sick
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  Speaker 1: at some hotel with Chad Dave Bell, who is complete idiot.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, have you read any of his prophecies?
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  Speaker 3: I have not, but I want to go back.
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  Speaker 2: Oh hold on, I think I'm going to gag right now.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to this.
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  Speaker 1: James their pseudonym for each other, James and Olena. James
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  Speaker 1: took her in his arms and they smiled at each other.
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  Speaker 1: The vibration in the room was intense. Their hearts reached out.
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  Speaker 2: To each other in glorious reunion.
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  Speaker 1: James gently touched the side of Elena's breast and he
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  Speaker 1: was in ecstasy. You know, there's so much more I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how the jerry kept their lunched down
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  Speaker 1: looking at these two in court.
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  Speaker 3: Oh Nancy, well James and Elena. Again, they're going to prison,
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  Speaker 3: so he's gonna have plenty of time to write these
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  Speaker 3: lovely things to her. But let's go back seriously, because
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  Speaker 3: when the DNA came back matching Lori Valow to the
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  Speaker 3: hair that was found on the duct tave yep Aj,
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  Speaker 3: I thought of you immediately, because you remember with Kasey Anthony.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have to think that through, but I'll
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  Speaker 1: save that for another day. When you find out about
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  Speaker 1: the defendant's hair wrapped in that.
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  Speaker 2: Duct tape, you thought of me. Thank you. I think
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  Speaker 2: this first thing I should say, but go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: The reason is because you said something so passionately one
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  Speaker 3: day and it was so dead accurate. You were like,
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  Speaker 3: there's no way you're ever gonna find duct tape on
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  Speaker 3: somebody's face and it not the murder.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I was talking about the fact that the
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  Speaker 1: duct tape facilitated the death. It may not have been
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  Speaker 1: the intentional mode of death, but when you wrap duct
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  Speaker 1: tape around let's just say, Kaylee Anthony's face around her mouth,
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  Speaker 1: and knows she's going to die, just like JJ. Of
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  Speaker 1: course I think he was already dead. But doing that
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  Speaker 1: to the child, to JJ and her hair being in it,
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  Speaker 1: not just on his pajamas or his socks or his person,
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  Speaker 1: which could have come from a hug, but on the
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  Speaker 1: tape that facilitated his death.
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  Speaker 3: Right, you no longer have an accident, You no longer
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  Speaker 3: have something that she's going to be able to explain,
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  Speaker 3: just like with Casey Anthony, there's no way to explain
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  Speaker 3: why that action was taken. And when you look at JJ,
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  Speaker 3: him having the scratches on his throat, that to me
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  Speaker 3: was when the devil walked in that room, because that
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  Speaker 3: baby tried to save himself. And cook.
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  Speaker 2: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing that came out in trial, which we really
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  Speaker 1: didn't talk about that much, these damning text messages about
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  Speaker 1: plotting to cause the children pain JJ and Tony. I'm
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  Speaker 1: wanting to hear this. Dave Bell asks Valo if she
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  Speaker 1: wants him to quote cause pain to children, and he
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  Speaker 1: says that they were dark people. Dave Bell, Valo told
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  Speaker 1: him to hold off, but if they these children they
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  Speaker 1: were with acted up again, quote, we can zap them. Also,
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  Speaker 1: she says that day well, Dave Bell responded, if they're
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  Speaker 1: going to act up, we'll at least give them a
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  Speaker 1: reason to scream. He also states that he had quote
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  Speaker 1: turned up the pain on her daughter.
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  Speaker 2: It just.
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand anyone's thinking when they talk
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  Speaker 1: about children in this manner. But I also think that
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  Speaker 1: her demeanor in court really hurt her. Cheryl McCollum, what
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  Speaker 1: do you think.
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  Speaker 3: The jury sat and watched her every day have no
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  Speaker 3: emotion with stoic To me, it sometimes even smugs. That
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  Speaker 3: absolutely affected the way that they saw her, the way
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  Speaker 3: they understood this crime. Again, when you have a mama
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  Speaker 3: that is going to allow any man to harm their
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  Speaker 3: children to the point they're going to scream, she knows
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  Speaker 3: it's going to happen, so it's premeditated and she sits
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  Speaker 3: by and allows it.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you what you think, what you predict
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  Speaker 1: in the prophet Chad da Bell's upcoming trial. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: she would not take this dance. She would not sell
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  Speaker 1: him or her brother Alex Cox down the river. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that's going to work for him, And I'm
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  Speaker 1: basing that on the way he has behaved in court.
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  Speaker 1: The few times they've been in there together before their
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  Speaker 1: cases were severed, she would smile and be flirtatious toward him,
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  Speaker 1: chin a mouth of words at Himp, just go and.
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  Speaker 2: Look away from her.
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  Speaker 1: I know that's just body language, but I think he's
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  Speaker 1: going to try to blame everything on her.
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  Speaker 3: I think body language is important because a lot of
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  Speaker 3: times that's something you don't even realize you're given away.
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  Speaker 3: Just like Ballow after the guilty verdict, she crossed her
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  Speaker 3: arms while the jury was leaving. She was disgusted, she
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  Speaker 3: was over that. So I think what you're observing with
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  Speaker 3: you know, Dave Bell, is important because here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: He is now on an island alone. He doesn't have
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  Speaker 3: the benefit of her you know, whatever you want to
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  Speaker 3: call it sexual. I don't know Nancy. Whatever she's doing
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  Speaker 3: for him, she can't do anymore. So he doesn't have that.
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  Speaker 3: He's alone the majority of the time, with his own thoughts,
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  Speaker 3: his own fears, his own feelings. If the right person
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  Speaker 3: can get to him, whether it's a family member or
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  Speaker 3: an attorney, I think there's a great possibility that he's
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  Speaker 3: going to flip.
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's another thing that we haven't talked about.
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  Speaker 1: Yet while they took the DPE death penalty off the
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  Speaker 1: table for caltmom Laurie Valo in this trial, Arizona has
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  Speaker 1: the death penalty. That's where she's going in for the
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  Speaker 1: trial of her fourth husband, Charles Valot. And there, as
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  Speaker 1: you know, the death penalty was put on a moratorium
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  Speaker 1: after a botched execution of Joseph Wood back in twenty fourteen,
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  Speaker 1: and since that time they have changed their cocktail for
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  Speaker 1: the DP, the needle lethal injection to one simple ingredient,
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  Speaker 1: penta barbitol. She can look at the death penalty in Arizona,
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  Speaker 1: and when you've got now.
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  Speaker 2: Three dead bodies that have legally been chalked up.
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  Speaker 1: To you, I think there's a very good chance she
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  Speaker 1: could get the death penalty in az.
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  Speaker 3: If you're ever going to use the death penity, it's
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  Speaker 3: in a case like this. If we're ever going to
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  Speaker 3: say that a person deserves to be put to death
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  Speaker 3: by the state, it is here. It's when somebody has
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  Speaker 3: this just trail of death behind them only for their
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  Speaker 3: own advancement. I'm not somebody that's spleetly bought in that
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  Speaker 3: they thought this was the end of time. This has
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  Speaker 3: a very evil thread of money all throughout it. Well,
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  Speaker 3: she started reading these books by Chad. She's thinking he's
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  Speaker 3: got money, he's some big time you know author. She
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  Speaker 3: wanted the million dollar insurance from Charles. She wanted to
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  Speaker 3: again gain financially from these people. There's no question about it.
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  Speaker 3: To get rid of your children again, there's money because
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  Speaker 3: she goes and she gets their social security. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: there's a there's a thread here. You can't ignore that
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  Speaker 3: she is doing. She wanted that money, she wanted.
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  Speaker 1: The un You're right, and I just jumped to the
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  Speaker 1: next step, the next concludion, the logical conclusion for you're saying,
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  Speaker 1: I really believe that she should be prosecuted in Arizona
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  Speaker 1: for the murder of Charles Valle, her fourth husband, for
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  Speaker 1: pecuniary or money gain. I really do, because when you
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  Speaker 1: add that that is an aggravating circumstance for which you
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  Speaker 1: can get the death penalty. And listen, dp's up to
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  Speaker 1: the jury. It's the state's duty to advance it, and
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  Speaker 1: it's the jury's decision. But if the state wants to
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  Speaker 1: seek the death penalty on her, which they did here
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  Speaker 1: in Idaho, but they got up against that timeline and
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  Speaker 1: had to withdraw it. Not so in Arizona. Pecuniary gain
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  Speaker 1: is one of the most successful child strategies to get
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  Speaker 1: a DP because it displays Cheryl such a cold heart
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  Speaker 1: and Charles value murder was.
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  Speaker 2: Just the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: After that came Tylely and and JJ his son, then
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  Speaker 1: came Timmy J. Bell, and then came Alex Cox, and
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  Speaker 1: there's always Joseph Ryan.
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  Speaker 2: I guess that would have been her third husband, right,
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I find it really hard to believe with all
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  Speaker 1: these dead bodies that he died of natural causes. And
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  Speaker 1: I got another problem with Alex cox cod cause of
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  Speaker 1: death because according to official documents, there have been two
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  Speaker 1: different CODs for one person.
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  Speaker 3: Ok.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that stinks to high Heaven. So something's way wrong
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  Speaker 1: with that. So in my mind his death is suspicious
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  Speaker 1: as well. And wouldn't you just know it, the trigger
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  Speaker 1: man dies of natural causes.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not buying that at all.
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  Speaker 3: Not only does he die of natural causes, he's with
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  Speaker 3: a wife he's been married to for what two weeks
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  Speaker 3: that Chad puts him up with as a thank you
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  Speaker 3: for being so supportive of his sister.
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  Speaker 1: I only hope Cheryl McCollum that the prophet Chad da
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  Speaker 1: Bell's pickup line can come into court, that pickup line
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  Speaker 1: being Hey, we were married in a previous life.
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  Speaker 2: We've already had sex, so what's the problem.
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  Speaker 3: Well, when you self steal yourself to somebody, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I guess it's pretty easy to convince that same person
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  Speaker 3: you were married in a previous life. Hey, I wonder
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  Speaker 3: if we can get a wedding shower the legs we
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  Speaker 3: had before the.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 1: I don't need any more pots and pans or irons,
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  Speaker 1: which I'm not going to use anyway. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just thinking this through because you know, Cheryl, you
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  Speaker 1: and I have been through a lot of cases together,
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  Speaker 1: not just covering them, but trying them, investigating them.
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  Speaker 2: And we are.
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  Speaker 1: Actually laughing at some of the things that cult man,
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  Speaker 1: Laury Valo and Chad Dave Bell have done. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that's kind of a would you say when a
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  Speaker 1: case is so upsetting, like what was done to JJ
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  Speaker 1: and Tyley. It is overwhelming, it's dark and upsetting, and
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  Speaker 1: if you don't watch out, it will grab you by
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  Speaker 1: the toe and drag you under aim you will never
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  Speaker 1: see the light of day again. And I guess laughing
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  Speaker 1: at some of the like the storm, the name for
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  Speaker 1: his penis. I've got a lot of other names for
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  Speaker 1: his penis, but that ain't one of them. And thinking
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  Speaker 1: about how stupid they were going on Amazon and buying
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  Speaker 1: your quote beach b each wedding dress to marry the
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  Speaker 1: prophet Da Bell before his wife died, and then woe
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  Speaker 1: she dies and you have a wedding on the beach
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  Speaker 1: like a couple of weeks later.
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  Speaker 3: It's just crazy, it is, It is crazy. Lori Vallow's
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  Speaker 3: sister said it best you were dancing on the beach
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  Speaker 3: while your children were buried in the ground. There's no
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  Speaker 3: way any mama can make sense of that in her head,
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  Speaker 3: it's not going to happen. So again, yes, when you
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  Speaker 3: think of Hollie being burned and they can't even tell
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  Speaker 3: you how she died, don't have a call to death
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  Speaker 3: for her. That's how pitiful that baby was treated. And
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  Speaker 3: just jump thrown on top of her. And then you've
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  Speaker 3: got jj that you know at one point was alive
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  Speaker 3: when he was being suffocated because he's trying to save itself.
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  Speaker 1: Covered in bruises, trying to breathe through that plastic bag
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  Speaker 1: that they had over his head.
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  Speaker 3: But of course we have to talk about the storm.
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  Speaker 3: We have to balance that. So yeah, we're gonna make
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  Speaker 3: fun and we're gonna laugh, because there has to be that,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: you know, balance that we could just self protect ourselves.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: You know, I know it's hard to understand, but thinking
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: about I mean really thinking about it has to make
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: juries do this, and I'd be so upset. I couldn't
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: sleep at night, literally could not sleep at night to
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: make a jury confront the evidence because it's so upsetting
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: and so settling, unsettling to think about what was done
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: to these two children.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: It's just so hard to think about.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: And if you notice you said about how JJ fought
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: for his life, he was asphyxiated with a plastic bag.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: That's how he died.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: And there are bruise marks on his body where he
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: tried to fight to get that bag off of his
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: face and his head.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Same thing with Tammy Dabell.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: She was asphyxiated and she had bruising on her body
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: where she tried to live. And by God, they're gonna
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: answer up for this, true, of course, as they had
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: to hell, but in a court of law, So help
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: me God, Thank you, Cheryl McCombe.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Goodbye for