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Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: Lawrence Anderson's Triple Murder · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. I've been down on
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Speaker 1: my luck before. I've had hard times, just like everybody.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying something that's unique. We've all had tough times.
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Speaker 1: The one thing that at the end of the day
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Speaker 1: you can rely on is the love of your family
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Speaker 1: that they're going to help you. I don't mean help
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Speaker 1: you like provide everything that you need as an adult
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Speaker 1: in order to survive. I'm just talking about help you
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Speaker 1: with their support, with their love and their kindness, and
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Speaker 1: maybe some wise counsel, particularly as it applies to the
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Speaker 1: older members of your family. But today on Body Bags,
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Speaker 1: I want to explore case that that's quite chilling because
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Speaker 1: it involves a man quite literally destroyed his family and
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Speaker 1: actually a person that lived right next door to him. Today,
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the bizarre case side of
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma involving a man who committed a triple homicide and
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Speaker 1: in addition to that, engaged and probably one of the
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Speaker 1: most horrendous things that any human can engage in cannibalism.
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Speaker 1: Today we're going to talk about homicides committed by Lawrence Anderson.
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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybags. It's a
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Speaker 1: well worn phrase. I never ceased to be amazed. I
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Speaker 1: just made that up, Dave Mac.
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Speaker 2: Pretty impressive, actually that is.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it. That just came to mind for me. Joining
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Speaker 1: me is my buddy Dave Mac. He's a senior crime
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Speaker 1: reporter with Crime Online. Dave. I hate to lay this
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Speaker 1: one at your feet, man, but I got to tell
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Speaker 1: you I came across it, and I just I had
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Speaker 1: to discuss it here on bodybags because this from a
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Speaker 1: forensic standpoint, I think that this case has a lot
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Speaker 1: to reveal, and certainly it's a peak inside of the
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Speaker 1: mind of a very very disturbed individual.
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Speaker 2: The criminally insane. It's a term we hear. I don't
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Speaker 2: know if it's a real term or not, but I
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Speaker 2: know that this guy is certainly a criminal, and based
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Speaker 2: on his actions past, present, and possible future, I'm thinking
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Speaker 2: this guy is borderline insane in terms of the way
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Speaker 2: you and I look at sanity because what he did
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Speaker 2: you mentioned it in the opening was horrific and tore
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Speaker 2: apart his family, his blood family, he destroyed. He was
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Speaker 2: a lifelong criminal. Just to get that right off the table,
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Speaker 2: do you want to get that out there as to
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Speaker 2: who we're dealing with.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that it's important that people understand Dave. Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: The guy we're talking about is Lawrence Paul Anderson. To
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Speaker 2: give you the thumbnail sketch. Anderson has a criminal past
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Speaker 2: that goes back many years. He actually got out of
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Speaker 2: prison in three weeks before this event took place that
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Speaker 2: we're getting ready to tell you about. He's a convicted
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Speaker 2: crack cocaine dealer. He has a laundry list of crimes
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Speaker 2: that he has committed in his life and was in prison.
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Speaker 2: He was freed when they were commuting sentences to free
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Speaker 2: up room in the prisons in Oklahoma. He was actually
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Speaker 2: not eligible for the commutation sentence, but it happened anyway.
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Speaker 2: A grand jury investigation was called in based on what
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Speaker 2: took place and confirmed that he Anderson should have never
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Speaker 2: been released from his twenty year drug related sentence that
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Speaker 2: he was supposed to be serving. So you've got a
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Speaker 2: guy who's a career criminal gets released from prison inadvertently,
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Speaker 2: and then three weeks after walking out of prison where
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Speaker 2: he should have been for years to come, he commits
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Speaker 2: this heinous, disgusting, despicable, violent crime spree on his own
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Speaker 2: family and a neighbor.
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Speaker 1: There was an old police officer I used to work with,
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Speaker 1: and it was probably one of the best homicide detectives
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Speaker 1: that I've had the privilege of being in his atmosphere.
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Speaker 1: You learn a lot just through osmosis and being around them.
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Speaker 1: And he had a statement. The reason it comes to
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Speaker 1: mind is that we had a fellow that we worked
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Speaker 1: a case that was not too dissimilar from this, where
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Speaker 1: a guy came in. It was right at Christmas time
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Speaker 1: and the individual had essentially wiped out his entire family
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Speaker 1: with a deer rifle of all things, which is not
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Speaker 1: easy to accomplish because it was a bolt action weapon.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't a semi automatically. It was bolt actuated weapon
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Speaker 1: and systematically went through the house. And he looked at me,
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Speaker 1: just for a moment. He said, you know what, and
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Speaker 1: he said, crazy is only as crazy as crazy as
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Speaker 1: allowed to be. And I thought about that because it
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Speaker 1: seemed it sounded like something that Lewis Carroll would have
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Speaker 1: written from Alice in Wonderland, because many times as a
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Speaker 1: death investigator, you have to you have to check your
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Speaker 1: own sanity because you bear witness to these things that
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Speaker 1: are so horrific and I remember being in that room
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Speaker 1: at that night, and of course I'm focused on other things.
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Speaker 1: They've got multiple dead bodies in this room, and he's
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Speaker 1: just kind of standing there, very philosophically, taking the measure
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Speaker 1: of it compared to the other things he's seen, and
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Speaker 1: he had seen a lot by this time. This guy
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Speaker 1: was probably at the end of a probably a twenty
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Speaker 1: five year career by this time when I was very young,
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Speaker 1: and when I heard him say that, it took me
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Speaker 1: a while to have that kind of seep into my
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Speaker 1: groundwater so that I could begin to kind of understand
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Speaker 1: it a little bit. And this case makes me reflective
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Speaker 1: of that. At what point in time do you get
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Speaker 1: to where, just on mass you're going to release a
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Speaker 1: bunch of people back out into society, and you cut
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Speaker 1: them loose on everybody else. It's a horrible thing. You
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Speaker 1: begin to see this and government entities meantimes, it all
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Speaker 1: comes down to numbers or the appearance. I think, if
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Speaker 1: you say, well, I'm just going to do a mass
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Speaker 1: release of people, there'll be people saying, oh, well, that's
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Speaker 1: kind Our prisons are overcrowded. But it's a double edged sword,
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Speaker 1: and isn't it By doing that you're going to release
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Speaker 1: somebody like this guy on the rest of society. And
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Speaker 1: I wonder retrospectively if this Governor Stitt I think is
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Speaker 1: his name, that facilitated this, that he signed off on this.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if retrospectively he's having thoughts. I wonder if
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Speaker 1: retrospectively he's being haunted at night by this action that
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Speaker 1: he took. When that key was turned and that door
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Speaker 1: was kind of opened, I guess, and this guy walked
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Speaker 1: out into free air. He wound back up, like you said,
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Speaker 1: in a very short period of time, back in the
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Speaker 1: orbit of his family. This guy's literally got a new
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Speaker 1: lease on life. He's free man. But yet he decides
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Speaker 1: to do this, Dave. It knocks the breath out of me.
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Speaker 1: It knocked the breath out of me. When I read this,
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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe what I was reading.
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Speaker 2: Actually, this guy has a history from drug distribution and
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Speaker 2: possession charges, feloniously pointing a firearm, robbery, domestic abuse, and
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Speaker 2: assault and battery. And that's why he was staring at
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Speaker 2: twenty year sentence in prison. He actually moved into the
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Speaker 2: home of his aunt and uncle. He put the address down.
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Speaker 2: I said he was living with his aunt and uncle.
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Speaker 2: He put that address down as his actual physical address
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Speaker 2: when he left prison, but he actually wasn't living there.
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Speaker 2: He had only visited a couple of times, but was
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Speaker 2: not living there at the time. He was only free
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Speaker 2: for three weeks before this took place.
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Speaker 1: You know, he had an involvement with drugs. He's used PCP,
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Speaker 1: which is essentially a drug that's administered to animals, specifically horses,
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Speaker 1: but yet it continues to populate because people have used
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Speaker 1: it recreationally and it's a very hot power drug. They
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Speaker 1: say that there are residual effects from using long term
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Speaker 1: use of PCP, that it can kind of alter brain
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Speaker 1: function and can cause these psychotic breaks periodically. There's not
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Speaker 1: necessarily any indication that you have to be used in it.
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Speaker 1: It's having been exposed to it over period of time
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Speaker 1: and then maybe you'll have a break with reality as
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Speaker 1: a result of past use. No one knows. But when
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Speaker 1: you try to assess the situation from a medical standpoint,
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Speaker 1: you really wonder, well, what kind of assessment Because obviously
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Speaker 1: they didn't release everybody that was in Oklahoma State prison system.
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Speaker 1: They selected these individuals, So what was it about this
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Speaker 1: individual that set him apart from everyone else. Did they
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Speaker 1: have the full story from a psychological standpoint about this
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Speaker 1: guy's history. Had he been tested appropriately? It seems like
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Speaker 1: that it was a rushed process and they essentially pushed
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Speaker 1: him out the door.
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Speaker 2: Lawrence Paul Anderson is forty four now. This happened February
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Speaker 2: ninth of twenty twenty one. His aunt and uncle Leon Pie,
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Speaker 2: who was sixty seven at the time, and his aunt
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Speaker 2: Delsey Pie, she is now sixty six, and in their
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Speaker 2: home that night was a four year old granddaughter. Police
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Speaker 2: were called. They got a nine to one one call.
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Speaker 2: There was nobody on the line. Delsey Pie had called
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Speaker 2: nine one one, but she couldn't get anything out. She
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Speaker 2: left the phone where it did the hangoup. But you
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Speaker 2: know when you call nine one one, if they don't
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Speaker 2: get anything from you, they call back and then send
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Speaker 2: somebody en route to make sure everything's okay. That evening,
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Speaker 2: Lawrence Anderson had walked next door to the home of
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Speaker 2: their neighbor, forty one year old Andrea Blankenship. They didn't
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Speaker 2: know this for two days. By the way, nobody knew
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Speaker 2: that Andrea Blankenship was Lawrence Anderson's first victim. He went
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Speaker 2: to her home. He killed her. They found her stabbed
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Speaker 2: forty times, found her body around her body, bloody knives,
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Speaker 2: broken box cutter, drill bits, screws, a sewing machine, and
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Speaker 2: bloody tree branch.
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Speaker 1: I can't actually say that. In my experience, I have
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Speaker 1: seen a case like this that is so over the top.
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Speaker 1: I've worked dismemberments. I've even had peripheral experience with a
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Speaker 1: case involving cannibalism. But the degree to which this woman,
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Speaker 1: Miss Blankenship, was traumatized in her home. You had mentioned
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Speaker 1: that he came into her house. It appears that there's
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Speaker 1: no real relationship between Miss Blakenship and the perpetrator here,
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Speaker 1: but we do know this. He essentially crashed through her door. Now,
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Speaker 1: she would have been alerted to this. She would have
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Speaker 1: had an awareness that something horrible was at her threshold
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Speaker 1: because of the sounds that were being created by him
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Speaker 1: applying pressure to the door over and over and over
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Speaker 1: again till the door finally gave way.
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Speaker 2: I said he was bashing it with his shoulder.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, just driving it into it. You can imagine someone
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Speaker 1: showing up at a scene and just kind of planting
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Speaker 1: and throwing their entire weight and He's not a tiny guy,
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Speaker 1: and essentially knocking it off of the hinge, just probably
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Speaker 1: cracking the frame. We talk about in forensics, we talk
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Speaker 1: about evidence of forced entry. Well, there's different ways to
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Speaker 1: kind of measure this, and why do we do that,
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Speaker 1: you know, when we're conducting an investigation. Well, it it
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Speaker 1: goes to demonstrate that obviously someone made entry through a
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Speaker 1: doorway or through a window that was otherwise not open
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Speaker 1: or not unlocked. So that goes to the mindset they
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Speaker 1: were determined to defeat something that was between them and
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Speaker 1: the other side of the door that they wanted to
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Speaker 1: get to, and it shows the level of effort that
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Speaker 1: had to go into this. So when we talk about
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Speaker 1: signs of forced entry at the scene, this is one
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Speaker 1: of the things that we would document. We would see,
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Speaker 1: for instance, if he had placed his foot against the
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Speaker 1: door and begun to stomp on it, for instance, kicking
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Speaker 1: it near where the key housing is there the lock
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Speaker 1: mechanism to try to knock it loose so that he
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Speaker 1: could gain entry. You'd see a footprint on the door.
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Speaker 1: We'd make a note of that. And also if the
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Speaker 1: door was fractured, say up higher. When I talk about
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Speaker 1: fracturing I'm talking about the splintering of wood or breaking
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Speaker 1: of glass at a level that would say, for instance,
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Speaker 1: be associated with the shoulder. We do know, as you
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Speaker 1: had said, Dave, that he had put his shoulder into
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Speaker 1: the door to break it open so deepending upon how
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Speaker 1: many times you throw your body into the door, that
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Speaker 1: structure is getting weaker and weaker, and there'll be evidence
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Speaker 1: of that. So what does that say for us in
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Speaker 1: court when we take that And I've worked cases where
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Speaker 1: we actually bring the door and the doorframe into the courtroom.
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Speaker 1: We bring it in there to demonstrate to the members
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Speaker 1: of the jury and to the judge exactly what this
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Speaker 1: individual did to gain entry into a particular space. And
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Speaker 1: it goes to force, it goes to intent, all of
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Speaker 1: those sorts of things. So he was not going to
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Speaker 1: allow this door to stand in between him and this victim.
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Speaker 1: The bigger question, I think is why this woman. Why
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Speaker 1: this woman who lived in this house, apparently very peacefully,
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Speaker 1: she's in her late forties. Here's another thing, Dave. You
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Speaker 1: talked about some of the items that they found in
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Speaker 1: the house. This is what we would refer to as
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Speaker 1: a frenzied killing. It's almost like he's in this heightened
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Speaker 1: state of anger. For instance, where this is what would
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Speaker 1: be referred to as a disordered event, where he's frenzied.
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Speaker 1: He's looking for tools. You mentioned there's a bloody tree
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Speaker 1: branch in here. Perhaps he utilized the tree branch to
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Speaker 1: assist him in breaking down the door. Who knows you
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Speaker 1: go to these ideas of weapons of opportunity or weapons
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Speaker 1: of convenience. It's not just one knife. It's several knives
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Speaker 1: and a box cutter that he's chosen. It's not like
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Speaker 1: he had shown up to the scene fully prepared to
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Speaker 1: do what he wound up doing to her. Just think
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Speaker 1: about this, Dave. She's had forty plus stab wounds or
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Speaker 1: sharp force injuries that have been evidenced on her person
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Speaker 1: at this particular time. This goes to show his desire
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Speaker 1: to literally rip her to shreds, which of course he
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Speaker 1: eventually does, because not only does he stab her and
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Speaker 1: beat her, but after she's deceased, he takes an instrument. Dave,
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Speaker 1: he opens this poor woman's chest up and removes her heart.
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Speaker 1: I hate why questions you that have listened to this
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Speaker 1: show for any reasonable amount of time have heard me
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Speaker 1: state that very plainly, I hate why, because why essentially
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Speaker 1: can never be definitively answered. It's always so very subjective.
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Speaker 1: We could chase that rabbit for a long long time
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Speaker 1: and still never be satisfied. What we can offer is what, when, where? How.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that any of us would truly want
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Speaker 1: to know why Dave in this circumstance. It might be
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Speaker 1: all too terrifying.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes when we have a horrific story like this, there
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Speaker 2: isn't a why. I think looking in it will be
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Speaker 2: like chasing a dog chasing its tail. We're never going
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Speaker 2: to be satisfied. The fact remains that he goes to
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Speaker 2: a next door neighbor's house, He breaks the door, he
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Speaker 2: goes in, he kills her. He stabs her at least
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Speaker 2: forty times. He then cuts out her heart. Then Laurence
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Speaker 2: Anderson leaves Andrea Blankenship's house and goes back across the
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Speaker 2: street to the home of his aunt and uncle. He
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Speaker 2: takes the heart, and he goes into the kitchen and
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Speaker 2: prepares it as a meal with potatoes to serve to
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Speaker 2: his aunt and uncle. Obviously, he's got to be covered
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Speaker 2: in blood.
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Speaker 1: From the top of his head to all over his body.
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Speaker 1: He would be covered with blood be up and down
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Speaker 1: his arms. Certainly it would be on his hands. This
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Speaker 1: guy was not dressed in a surgical gown. I'll put
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Speaker 1: it to you that way. He wasn't doing open heart
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Speaker 1: surgery at the male clinic. He was in this woman's house.
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Speaker 1: He did this, and then he presents with this organ
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Speaker 1: and proceeds to prepare it. You know, in the later
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Speaker 1: report he wanted to feed it to his family in
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Speaker 1: order to release demons. That's the quote day to release demons.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand what his rationale was for this from
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Speaker 1: a spiritual standpoint. I don't know what his perception was
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Speaker 1: of his family, And be quite frank with you, I
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Speaker 1: don't really care. But that's what he had stated was
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Speaker 1: his intent here, was that he was going to prepare
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Speaker 1: Andrea Blankenship's heart in his family's kitchen and then have
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Speaker 1: them seated at the table, his elderly uncle and this
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Speaker 1: four year old girl, and he was going to feed
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Speaker 1: it to them. They weren't having any of it, and
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Speaker 1: so what happens at this point, well, he begins to
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Speaker 1: brutally attack them. He attacks his uncle, he kills this
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Speaker 1: little four year old girl, and he actually attacks his
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Speaker 1: aunt as well, who, as it turns out, is the
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Speaker 1: only person at that moment toime that survived.
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Speaker 2: What you just said even gets worse. Apparently, sometime during
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Speaker 2: the process, Lawrence Anderson called a friend in Arkansas, and
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Speaker 2: the man wasn't there to answer the phone. Who went
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Speaker 2: to his voicemail Lawrence Anderson didn't hang it up. So
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Speaker 2: on this recording of this man in Arkansas is an
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Speaker 2: audio recording of what's taking place. And on that audio
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Speaker 2: recording that showed up his evidence, the recording of this
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Speaker 2: little four year old girl screaming as she is killed.
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Speaker 2: Dlsey Pie said that he thought I was dead. God
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Speaker 2: was with me. But you know why he thought she
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Speaker 2: was dead. Lawrence Anderson had cut her. He had gouged
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Speaker 2: out one of her eyes. He stabbed both eyes. She
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Speaker 2: also had broken ribs, a broken tailbone. Now she did recover.
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Speaker 2: She has sight in one eye and she has hearing
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Speaker 2: in one ear, but she is alive. And she said
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Speaker 2: the only reason is because he thought I was dead.
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Speaker 1: When you're looking at a suspect like this, when the
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Speaker 1: police would have gotten to him again, here's this word
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Speaker 1: that I've used from Tom to Tom on body bags,
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Speaker 1: he would have had commingled samples all over him. There
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Speaker 1: would have been blood that would have been essentially mixed
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Speaker 1: about as a result of all of this contact that
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Speaker 1: he would have had. There's no evidence to demonstrate that
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Speaker 1: between Tom that he killed Miss Blanket Ship he went
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Speaker 1: in showered, prepared himself in any way, and then went
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Speaker 1: back into the kitchen and decided to create a family meal.
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Speaker 1: He would have had blood from the initial event, which,
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Speaker 1: by the way he would have tracked out of that house,
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Speaker 1: it would not have surprised me if he had not
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Speaker 1: dripped blood from his person even coming back into the
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Speaker 1: home of his aunt and uncle. I would be very
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Speaker 1: curious to know if they found any trace elements of
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Speaker 1: blood along the way along what his potential path of
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Speaker 1: entry was back into the house. And here's another thing
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Speaker 1: that goes to a what question. When you're there and
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Speaker 1: you're peacefully enjoying your four year old, and you're living
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Speaker 1: in a house that is your protected space that you
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Speaker 1: find love with your family, how exactly do you react
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Speaker 1: when this madman walks through the door and he's carrying
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Speaker 1: a human heart? Do you even know that he has it?
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Speaker 1: I mean, you can look at him and see that
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Speaker 1: he has blood? Does that go to something else? Was
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Speaker 1: he terrorizing them? Look what I just did, and they
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Speaker 1: were frozen in place? Had he been so violent towards
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Speaker 1: them in the past, had there been something that they
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Speaker 1: knew was not quite right with him? But they dare
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Speaker 1: not say a word to him for fear that they
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Speaker 1: were just going to further inflame him. They sit there
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Speaker 1: in total fear as he's going about this ghastly deed,
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Speaker 1: preparing this heart with potatoes. Well, to what extent did
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Speaker 1: he do this? Are you talking about going into the
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Speaker 1: kitchen and you're preparing any other meal, you're having to
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Speaker 1: cut up potatoes, and he's thinking about this thing all
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Speaker 1: the way through? What is he doing here in order
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Speaker 1: to prepare meal for the family that's going to affect
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Speaker 1: this release quote unquote of demons from them? And is
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Speaker 1: he explaining this to them while he's doing it. Why
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Speaker 1: didn't they flee from the house? I think is one
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Speaker 1: of the biggest questions I would have. Did they have
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Speaker 1: the ability to flee from the house or were they
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Speaker 1: so terrified? You know, the two elderly adults that are there,
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Speaker 1: they know they've got a four year old that they've
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Speaker 1: got to protect. They know that he's a madman, so
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Speaker 1: he comes walking in, maybe he's covered in blood, and
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Speaker 1: just the sight of him, you know, at that point
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Speaker 1: in time, they're terrified of this guy, so they're frozen
21:01
Speaker 1: like statues. And I am amazed. You know, when you
21:04
Speaker 1: mentioned his aunt survived the fact that he would have
21:07
Speaker 1: stabbed her in the eye, and that she survived that
21:10
Speaker 1: injury alone, and then I think that Le's see, Dave,
21:13
Speaker 1: you had mentioned that she had broken ribs. In addition
21:16
Speaker 1: to that, she had a fractured coccax, which is actually
21:20
Speaker 1: our tailbone. If you go all the way down to
21:22
Speaker 1: the base of your spine, all the way down, that's
21:25
Speaker 1: a very difficult bone to actually break. As a matter
21:29
Speaker 1: of fact, the only way I can really imagine that
21:32
Speaker 1: bone getting broken is in a huge fall. For instance,
21:37
Speaker 1: that does happen where people land on their backside, and
21:40
Speaker 1: I'm sure that many people have experienced the pain of
21:42
Speaker 1: that at some point in time. But most of the time, Dave,
21:45
Speaker 1: that happens as a result of direct blunt force trauma.
21:48
Speaker 1: You know what that indicates to me. That indicates to
21:51
Speaker 1: me that she was either kicked or stomped in order
21:55
Speaker 1: for that to happen because you would have to. And
21:56
Speaker 1: it's a very robust bone. It's not some kind of
22:00
Speaker 1: little fragile bone like if you think about some of
22:02
Speaker 1: the bones in your fingers, or maybe the flat bone
22:05
Speaker 1: of the temporar area of your skull. That's what that's not.
22:11
Speaker 1: The nature of the coccacts itself. It's very robust. And
22:14
Speaker 1: one of the reasons is is that the way it's
22:16
Speaker 1: created is that it is protecting the very tip of
22:20
Speaker 1: your spinal cord. So it has to be robust, right,
22:23
Speaker 1: And so the fact that it is actually fractured gives
22:26
Speaker 1: you an idea that she was probably either kicked or
22:29
Speaker 1: stomped or beaten with something really heavy. And it's an
22:32
Speaker 1: odd place for this to occur. It's not unusual also
22:35
Speaker 1: to see people that have been kicked and stomped to
22:37
Speaker 1: have fractured ribs. I've had these kinds of cases many
22:41
Speaker 1: times over the years. And so, why do you kick
22:44
Speaker 1: or stomp somebody, Well, most of the time this is
22:47
Speaker 1: going to be directly as a result of trying to
22:49
Speaker 1: get someone to submit. You're stomping on them, you're trying
22:52
Speaker 1: to keep them down, you're trying to pin them to
22:54
Speaker 1: the floor. It's an asymmetrical relationship where you have the
22:59
Speaker 1: dominant that is hovering over. And remember, this guy's just
23:02
Speaker 1: gotten out of the joint. He's used to being in
23:05
Speaker 1: an environment where maybe he was not dominant person, but
23:08
Speaker 1: he knows how to dominate. He's seen it portrayed for
23:11
Speaker 1: him in this environment, and by golly, he's going to
23:15
Speaker 1: dominate these individuals. As matter of fact, he's going to
23:17
Speaker 1: rip them to shreds. In most cases, we don't have
23:41
Speaker 1: someone that just out and out confesses to a crime,
23:44
Speaker 1: particularly one at this level. And it's quite shocking. It's
23:48
Speaker 1: quite shocking to hear someone make a statement. But let
23:52
Speaker 1: me just interject a quote real quick, and this is
23:55
Speaker 1: actually coming from Lawrence Paul Anderson. This was his admittance
24:01
Speaker 1: in court that he had done these horrible things. And
24:06
Speaker 1: I quote, on or about ninth day of February twenty
24:11
Speaker 1: twenty one in Grady County, Oklahoma, I Lawrence Paul Anderson
24:16
Speaker 1: killed Chaos Winter rain Yates by stabbing her with malice
24:20
Speaker 1: a forethought. And then he says, I also with malice
24:24
Speaker 1: a foroethought, killed Leon Tye by stabbing him to death.
24:30
Speaker 1: I lastly killed Andrea Lynn Blankenship by stabbing her and
24:35
Speaker 1: inflicting mortal wounds with malice a forethought. And then finally
24:40
Speaker 1: he goes on to state in this admission, also on
24:44
Speaker 1: or about the ninth day of February and twenty twenty one,
24:47
Speaker 1: in Grady County, Oklahoma, I stabbed Delease Pie with a
24:53
Speaker 1: knife with felonious intent and to cause her bodily harm.
24:57
Speaker 1: I also committed the crime of maiming with the intentional
25:01
Speaker 1: design to injure, maim, and commit maiming on the body
25:05
Speaker 1: of Delease Pie by gouging out that I everything that
25:10
Speaker 1: we've talked about. As horrible as that is what I
25:13
Speaker 1: just read, Dave, it doesn't give you the full brunt
25:19
Speaker 1: of what he had done. But there's one image that's
25:22
Speaker 1: kind of captured in my mind, as you had so
25:24
Speaker 1: effectively mentioned earlier, when miss Pie made that nine to
25:28
Speaker 1: eleven call, the police wound up showing up at the home.
25:31
Speaker 1: When the police walked into that place, this perpetrator was
25:35
Speaker 1: repeatedly vomiting into pillows that they had there at the scene.
25:40
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's an admission of guilt per
25:44
Speaker 1: se as the court would use as a standard However,
25:50
Speaker 1: I think that there's obviously some kind of physiological response
25:53
Speaker 1: going on there.
25:54
Speaker 2: What do you think, David, I think it's exactly what
25:57
Speaker 2: you're saying. He was reacting to what he is just done,
26:01
Speaker 2: and they took him to the hospital because they weren't
26:04
Speaker 2: sure what had happened. He went to the hospital with
26:08
Speaker 2: his aunt dlsey Pie, and it was at the hospital
26:11
Speaker 2: two days later he was still being treated that he
26:14
Speaker 2: admitted what had happened. And by the way, I also
26:17
Speaker 2: killed my neighbor.
26:19
Speaker 1: And that's a big reveal I think for the police,
26:21
Speaker 1: because they had no awareness that miss Blinkenship was. You know,
26:25
Speaker 1: why can you imagine you show up at the scene,
26:27
Speaker 1: you see this guy throwing up into pillows and all
26:29
Speaker 1: this sort of thing. You've got this just mayhem that
26:33
Speaker 1: they had walked into. And I really wonder when they
26:37
Speaker 1: were working the scene if they saw evidence of a
26:40
Speaker 1: heart at the scene, and what did they make of
26:43
Speaker 1: that at that time? Did they think that the heart
26:46
Speaker 1: was perhaps from an animal. It's hard to say because
26:50
Speaker 1: when you take a look anatomically at a heart dependent
26:54
Speaker 1: upon the species, it's kind of difficult to tell the difference. Say,
26:59
Speaker 1: for instance, if you've got someone that there are people
27:01
Speaker 1: that eat the hearts of hog's hog anatomy from an
27:06
Speaker 1: anatomical standpoint is not going to look a lot different, say,
27:10
Speaker 1: for instance, from human. And if the heart has been
27:14
Speaker 1: dissected out, perhaps has been cut up into little bits,
27:18
Speaker 1: there's no way to really make sense of it. They
27:20
Speaker 1: had stated that he was actively cooking, so that's going
27:23
Speaker 1: to change the appearance as well. So I don't think
27:26
Speaker 1: that you can totally blame the police for not noticing this.
27:29
Speaker 1: They probably thought at that moment, Tom that they were
27:34
Speaker 1: dealing with a family event that had occurred. Miss Pie
27:39
Speaker 1: she was certainly in no state to give a statement.
27:43
Speaker 1: Probably at that time she's literally had her eye gouged
27:46
Speaker 1: out and she's got multiple broken bones in her body.
27:49
Speaker 1: I can't imagine she would be in any state to
27:52
Speaker 1: give them any kind of statement. What would have compelled
27:56
Speaker 1: him at that moment toime to have a clearing of
27:59
Speaker 1: his conscience? And I don't know that his conscience was
28:02
Speaker 1: necessarily cleared, But why would he just spontaneously make this
28:05
Speaker 1: admission that he had actually killed missus Blankenshaw. I don't
28:08
Speaker 1: know that. We'll obviously get a reason again that goes
28:11
Speaker 1: back to the why. We'll never understand why in this case, Dave,
28:17
Speaker 1: I do know this. I know that this is a
28:20
Speaker 1: case that is going to mark this little community for
28:23
Speaker 1: generations to come. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is
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Speaker 1: Bodybacks