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Sean O'Connell Show - FULL POD - 7-13-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: Heaping Monday. Everybody, Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show. Happy
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Speaker 1: to have you with us. Starting off another week after
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Speaker 1: a blistering, blazing hot summer weekend. We only get about
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Speaker 1: twelve of them people, you might as well enjoy them
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Speaker 1: no matter what the weather is. Hopefully you found some water,
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Speaker 1: cooled yourself down, and enjoyed the hot, hot sun. Our
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Speaker 1: guy Zach is producing today. James Peterson is off jet setting.
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Speaker 1: He's uh, if I'm not mistaken, he's up in Alaska,
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Speaker 1: fighting fighting bears, chasing moose, probably catching a fish or two,
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Speaker 1: spending some time in the water himself.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: Did you make any requests for James to bring back,
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Speaker 1: like some special fish for you to flay up? For
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Speaker 1: those who don't know Zach is a sushi chef, did
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Speaker 1: you make any.
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Speaker 3: Put it in any request? Honestly, he didn't even ask me,
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Speaker 3: and he should have.
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Speaker 1: He should have. Here's what's gonna happen. If James comes
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Speaker 1: back and he's just like, hey, I have all this
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Speaker 1: extra fish or I brought a bunch of fish back,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, bring it in. Zach will come
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Speaker 1: in with his apron and his knives and well, we'll
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Speaker 1: do it on the YouTube. You can play up some
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Speaker 1: sushi for us.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we can figure I was a spot
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Speaker 3: to do that.
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Speaker 1: Let's go. What a weekend in sports? Uh, the the
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Speaker 1: World Cup. You guys have been watching it, you've heard
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Speaker 1: about it. The FIFA World Cup is the gift that
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Speaker 1: keeps on giving. And I said it at the beginning
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Speaker 1: of this tournament. I said it in the middle. I
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Speaker 1: said it when the US got eliminated, which we have
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Speaker 1: a little bit of news on. More news on Team
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Speaker 1: USA and the suspended suspension for flow Balligan and how
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Speaker 1: it came about. Just some wild, wild stuff.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 1: FIFA's not beating any allegations, I'll tell you that. But
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Speaker 1: this thing keeps on giving. And I said it was
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Speaker 1: going to impact soccer in the United States of America.
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Speaker 1: And when I initially thought that, and when I initially
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Speaker 1: claimed that, I made that statement with the excitement of
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Speaker 1: the World Cup in mind, with the refreshing, energized nature
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Speaker 1: of the universal sports fan approach to soccer on home soil,
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Speaker 1: world elite level soccer on home soil ticket prices, through
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Speaker 1: the roof cultural multicultural exchanges, people hosting and Uber driving
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Speaker 1: and hanging out with and following social media posts from
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Speaker 1: all these fans descending on the US from other countries,
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Speaker 1: and I my initial, like kumbaya spirit prediction was that
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have so much fun with this thing that
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Speaker 1: it is going to affect how we handle soccer in
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Speaker 1: the United States moving forward. And while my fun on
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Speaker 1: it has not been diminished. USA got eliminated in the
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Speaker 1: round of sixteen. That's where we thought they were going
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Speaker 1: to get eliminated, at least that's where I thought they
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Speaker 1: were going to get eliminated. It was uglier than we
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Speaker 1: thought it was going to be. It was made uglier
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Speaker 1: by political involvement. It was made uglier by controversy and
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Speaker 1: by FIFA overturning or suspending the suspension, as I like
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Speaker 1: to say, a flow balligan. But the reason now I
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Speaker 1: believe this World Cup is going to have a lasting
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Speaker 1: effect on American soccer is because of what we talked
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Speaker 1: about last week. The examination of the youth sporting system
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Speaker 1: and how it serves or doesn't serve soccer players in
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Speaker 1: the United States of America. I'd love and I'm sure
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Speaker 1: this will be easy. Zach get Lionel Messi on the phone.
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Speaker 1: We need to talk to Messi because that's a guy,
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Speaker 1: right who has experienced every angle of this thing, and
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Speaker 1: now he's experiencing it as a parent of soccer players
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Speaker 1: in the United States. That's something that people don't really
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Speaker 1: appreciate or don't think about when it comes to Messi
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Speaker 1: and some of these other guys that have relocated to
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Speaker 1: finish out their careers in MLS. Like Leo Messi's kid
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Speaker 1: is a high level soccer player in the United States.
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Speaker 1: He plays on a travel team in Miami. They're all
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Speaker 1: up and down the Eastern Seaboard playing in these tournaments.
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Speaker 1: And I'd like to know what Leo Messi thinks of
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Speaker 1: the American system. Hopefully he knows, hopefully's involved enough in
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Speaker 1: it to be paying attention. I don't know, So yeah,
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Speaker 1: we'll get him on the phone, wink wink. So I
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Speaker 1: think that the examination of youth soccer and the soccer
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Speaker 1: development in the United States is an important thing here
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Speaker 1: to contrast and compare of what you're getting from Like, well,
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Speaker 1: we acknowledge that we might have a problem in the
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Speaker 1: US with it being too expensive, and then the next
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Speaker 1: intuitive thing to do is say, well, how's everyone else
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Speaker 1: doing it? And Norway's out now, but Erlyn Holland and
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Speaker 1: company had a really excellent World Cup. We're one of
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Speaker 1: the I think squads that developed a bunch of hang
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Speaker 1: on fans, hang around fans, jump on the bandwagon fans.
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Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with that because when your country
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Speaker 1: is out, you got to attach your allegiance to somewhere else.
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Speaker 1: And it felt like Norway was the beneficiary of some
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Speaker 1: of that with like you know, Scottish fans or whatever,
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Speaker 1: and you get the reports like, hey, this is how
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Speaker 1: they do it in Norway. You sports are free, everyone
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Speaker 1: gets to participate. Now, Norway taxes is their citizens are
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Speaker 1: like sixty five percent, So that might be part of
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Speaker 1: that equation. But then you look at it, well, what
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Speaker 1: about the professional clubs overseas well? Professional clubs receives ant
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Speaker 1: have a mandate where they have to invest in an
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Speaker 1: infrastructure for a trickle down effect. They have to if
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Speaker 1: you're not if you're not supporting like a little league
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Speaker 1: attached to your professional club, then you don't get commissioned,
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Speaker 1: you don't get licensure as a commissioners as a professional club.
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Speaker 1: Like that's cool, right, So all these things are I
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Speaker 1: think informative for the American fan base. For me, one
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Speaker 1: of the most interesting things that I think will have
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Speaker 1: significant carry over in American culture and American sport is
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Speaker 1: watching the var controversies that exist in this particular World Cup,
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Speaker 1: and American sport has been at the forefront of integrating
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Speaker 1: technology and trying to make the game more accurate, trying
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Speaker 1: to get make the games easier to call for referees,
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Speaker 1: trying to make it a more on the nose outcome right,
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Speaker 1: like you don't want bad calls to be ruining things.
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Speaker 1: You don't want missed all that foot out of bounds,
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Speaker 1: like we have replay now, and American sports adopted instant
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Speaker 1: replay long before European soccer did. That was one of
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Speaker 1: the hilarious things. You had these multi billion dollar leagues
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Speaker 1: over there that just refused to use VAR, refuse to
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Speaker 1: use a chip in the ball, refuse to use GPS,
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Speaker 1: refuse to use anything right, And everyone's kind of come
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Speaker 1: around to this. And now the next generation of this
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Speaker 1: is AI and I'm a skeptic that that is going
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Speaker 1: to make everything better, but this World Cup puts it
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Speaker 1: like for the entire planet, and because it's the North
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Speaker 1: American World Cup. It forces us to confront some of
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Speaker 1: our own relationship with replay in the United States. But
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Speaker 1: you get to kind of watch it from almost a
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Speaker 1: cold and detached kind of thing because now the US
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Speaker 1: is not in it anymore. Right, And so you watch
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Speaker 1: Var work against Switzerland, which allows Argentina to advance, which
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Speaker 1: of course serves the FIFA interest, which then drums up
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Speaker 1: more controversy for people just like, oh, look at this,
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Speaker 1: they're favoring They're favoring Leo Messi. They're favoring Argentina because
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Speaker 1: they want the revenue, they want the eyeballs on it. Look,
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Speaker 1: none of us would be excited if Switzerland had advanced it.
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Speaker 1: We're I'm the most casual of casual soccer fans. If
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Speaker 1: Switzerland advanced there, I'd be like, that sucks. I guess
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Speaker 1: now we're going for England. But the way that it
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Speaker 1: works out and you get a careful examination of every replay,
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Speaker 1: like did it did I like the way that VAR
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Speaker 1: came in when Argentina played Egypt. That was Argentina Egypt, right,
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Speaker 1: I got that right? No, you take away a goal
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Speaker 1: from like six minutes before, or you take away a
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Speaker 1: goal based on something that happened on the opposite end
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Speaker 1: of the field a long time before. I don't like that.
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Speaker 1: I don't like that readjudicating right. It feels like there's
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Speaker 1: a double jeopardy situation there. There's a statute of limitations.
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Speaker 1: You can't go that far back in the replay in
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Speaker 1: my opinion, But under FIFA rules, yes, that works, and
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Speaker 1: that there's not a lot of disagreement about whether or
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Speaker 1: not that was a foul or not. I think there
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Speaker 1: is some disagreement about whether or not it is like
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Speaker 1: grasping its straws to try to take something away from
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Speaker 1: someone because you want certain outcomes. I'm here for those controversies.
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Speaker 1: I'm here for those conspiracies. The one with Switzerland, especially
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Speaker 1: through the American lens, was I thought far more important
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Speaker 1: when we're talking about how it will affect American sports,
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Speaker 1: and let's be honest, if this is not going to
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Speaker 1: be treated like an Olympic cycle, and we're going to
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Speaker 1: continue the conversation about American socc and America's place in
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Speaker 1: the world landscape of soccer and soccer in general, not
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Speaker 1: only with MLS but international soccer. You have to appeal
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Speaker 1: to the American audience and the FIFA rules are not
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Speaker 1: designed for that. But if I'm the commissioner, if I'm
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Speaker 1: the head of all FIFA operations, if I'm the replay
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Speaker 1: official for FIFA, if I'm whatever, I am absolutely trying
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Speaker 1: to draw in a potential soccer market, a potential soccer
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Speaker 1: fan base, where I have an untapped three hundred million
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Speaker 1: people and the wallets associated with them. That's what sports
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Speaker 1: is now. It's a business right. In this case of
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Speaker 1: Switzerland's some people think unfair treatment based on VA. I
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Speaker 1: think totally fair. I think that the thing that has
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Speaker 1: to be removed from soccer in order for the American
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Speaker 1: fan base to embrace it the way the rest of
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Speaker 1: the world has, and I do think it serves the
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Speaker 1: rest of the world as well, and it needs to
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Speaker 1: be more consistent with enforcement. But Switzerland flopped in a
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Speaker 1: way that, even by World Cup standards, was completely egregious.
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Speaker 1: No contact, throw yourself down, roll over a couple of times,
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Speaker 1: act like it's the end of the world, Act like
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Speaker 1: a sniper was posted up on the edge of the
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Speaker 1: stadium and got your ankle. Bril Mbolo was for some people,
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Speaker 1: controversially sent off. He got a second yellow card for
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Speaker 1: simulation which is the official soccer speak term for a
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Speaker 1: flop right absolutely deserved to be penalized. I'll let all
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Speaker 1: of you hardcore soccer people whether decide whether or not
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Speaker 1: a yellow card, a second yellow, a red car, a
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Speaker 1: second yell, especially when you know he's going to be
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Speaker 1: sent off, whether that's too harsh a punishment. But that
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Speaker 1: should happen every time, every single time. My family and
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Speaker 1: I went to the Utah Royals game on Friday night,
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Speaker 1: shout out to our guy, Trey Fitzgerald, and the NWSL
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Speaker 1: players flopped significantly less than the best men's players on
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Speaker 1: the planet did in World Cup play. Significantly less. It's
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Speaker 1: not completely absent from MLS soccers, completely absent from NWSL,
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Speaker 1: but it is drastically reduced, drastically different, completely different. And
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Speaker 1: I have grievances against the way that the US men's
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Speaker 1: national team in their failed attempt against Belgium, wasted opportunities
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Speaker 1: to actually get a decent touch on the ball, to
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Speaker 1: get a strike on the ball because they were too
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Speaker 1: busy trying to draw contact, to worry about contact to
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Speaker 1: get a whistle. It happened too much. And I have
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Speaker 1: my wife was a college soccer player and she was like,
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Speaker 1: every time I bring it up while we're watching at home,
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Speaker 1: She's like, no, you don't understand. They're incentivized to do this.
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Speaker 1: They have to do this because that whistle is so
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Speaker 1: important to them. Sometimes that brief stoppage of play is
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Speaker 1: so important to the team. Sometimes it translates to a
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Speaker 1: set piece that you otherwise would not have gotten if
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Speaker 1: you didn't flop. And I'm not here for that argument.
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna listen to it. Not if you're trying
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Speaker 1: to tell me that soccer is the best sport on Earth.
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Speaker 1: It is the thing that keeps it from being the
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Speaker 1: best sport on Earth. The number one issue, there's more
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Speaker 1: than one. The number one issue from it being the
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Speaker 1: best sport on Earth, well, it is in the opinion
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Speaker 1: of everyone else. But the one that's you recognized as
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Speaker 1: such here in the United State is what you saw
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Speaker 1: the referees, consistently or not in the in the good
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Speaker 1: spirit of the game or not. They were blowing a
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Speaker 1: whistle on an egregious flop and they yellow carded it,
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Speaker 1: and then Bolo got sent off and Argentina ends up
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Speaker 1: winning three to one and they advanced. And the convenient
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Speaker 1: thing here is for people to say, well, Argentina is
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Speaker 1: being pushed along, nudged along by FIFA because that's what's
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Speaker 1: in the best interest of FIFA. Yeah, okay, present your case,
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Speaker 1: give me your evidence, but also tell me why that
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Speaker 1: play should not be ruled a yellow card the same
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Speaker 1: way that people were like, it is completely corrupt and
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Speaker 1: ridiculous that flow Baligan is given an opportunity to play
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Speaker 1: against Belgium, a decision by the way, that strip the
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Speaker 1: U men's national team of all of its international goodwill,
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Speaker 1: that made the US men's national team a villain in
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Speaker 1: soccer again after the beginnings of this tournament and after
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Speaker 1: the way that they've played in group play, they were
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Speaker 1: like kind of a sweetheart team took all that away,
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Speaker 1: maybe affected the performance of the team, maybe affected the
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Speaker 1: outcome of the Belgium game. But in that case, if
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Speaker 1: you're saying this should never happen, this should never ever
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Speaker 1: ever happen. Okay, I will hear your argument. If a
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Speaker 1: red card like that should never be reversed, if a
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Speaker 1: red card suspension should never be put on hold or reversed.
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Speaker 1: To me, the burden of proof on you then is
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Speaker 1: to say why that red card should have been issued
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Speaker 1: in the first place. And I've come to the conclusion
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Speaker 1: that the the overturning of that, or the funkctional overturning
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Speaker 1: of that, isn't actually overturned. It's just delayed. But the
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Speaker 1: functional overturning of that, the allowance of flow Baligan to play,
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Speaker 1: was I think it came via a corrupt process, even
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Speaker 1: though I think it was the correct call. If you
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Speaker 1: go back to the moment of the foul, the correct
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Speaker 1: call is for him to not be red carded in
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Speaker 1: the first place, to not be suspended in the first place.
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Speaker 1: Two things can be true at the same time. He
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Speaker 1: should have been allowed to play, but also going through
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Speaker 1: the process the way that it was gone through was
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Speaker 1: not good for American Soccer, was not good for Flowbaligan,
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Speaker 1: was not good for the team ultimately. And I know
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Speaker 1: that makes me sound silly because I came on and
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Speaker 1: I said, this is what we needed. We needed an
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Speaker 1: a rallying cry, we needed us against the world type moment.
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Speaker 1: It actually ended up I think having the opposite effect.
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Speaker 1: I was wrong about that had the opposite effect I
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Speaker 1: think for us in that Belgium game, but for soccer
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Speaker 1: and the relationship with vaar on this stage, it's easiest
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Speaker 1: pie for me to then extrapolate that out into the
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Speaker 1: NFL to Major League Baseball with the strike zone, the
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Speaker 1: strike zone, automatic umpire stuff targeting in college football is
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Speaker 1: the place that we see I think the most direct analogy. Right,
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Speaker 1: scoring plays in football are reviewed like scoring plays in
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Speaker 1: soccer are reviewed. Now, what I don't want to see
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Speaker 1: happen when a scoring play is reviewed in college football
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Speaker 1: and in pro football? What are they looking for? Well,
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Speaker 1: they are looking for possession. They're looking for the ball
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Speaker 1: crossing the plane or the player touching the end zone.
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Speaker 1: They're looking for one foot inbounds or two feet inbounds.
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Speaker 1: If you're talking about the NFL, They're looking for possession
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Speaker 1: and crossing the goal line. That's what they're looking for
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Speaker 1: in scoring plays in football. I don't think we want
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Speaker 1: to happen where I think soccer and some other sports
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Speaker 1: have maybe gone a step too far with their use
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Speaker 1: of technology. If the var response if replay of every
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Speaker 1: scoring play also made it possible for the referees to
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Speaker 1: go back and watch the whole play. Right, let's talk
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Speaker 1: about like you're in the red zone, all right, it's
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Speaker 1: third and eight tight end goes out on a little
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Speaker 1: seven route, beautifully thrown ball, catches the ball, Did he
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Speaker 1: complete the catch? Did he get his feet down? Is
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Speaker 1: he in the end zone? Yes, we've decided that on
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Speaker 1: the replay. If American referees then can also do what
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Speaker 1: we saw happen with Egypt and what we have seen
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Speaker 1: happen in the World Cup. If they could then go
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Speaker 1: through and also have var which again this is why
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Speaker 1: flow Balligan was suspended in red card in the first place.
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Speaker 1: Var an evaluation of the play in it wasn't real time.
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Speaker 1: If it was the replay that said, oh wow, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna give a red card because of what I saw
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Speaker 1: on replay. An incorrect application of replay is damning, dooming,
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Speaker 1: terrible for sport. And you know how I can tell
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Speaker 1: because it has been terrible for the World Cup. It
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Speaker 1: has been damaging to the conversation and the enjoyment of
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Speaker 1: a World Cup, which is globally the sporting event. There
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Speaker 1: are fan bases out there that are gnashing their teeth
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Speaker 1: and screaming at the moon because of how not the
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Speaker 1: play or the referee handled things, but because of how
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Speaker 1: replay handled things. If you go back in football to
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Speaker 1: that touchdown scoring play, or that first down or that whatever,
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Speaker 1: and you also evaluate whether or not the offensive line
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Speaker 1: was holding. If you also evaluate whether or not somebody's
19:53
Speaker 1: hand hit the side of the helmet and then a
19:56
Speaker 1: finger hooked into the face mask and it wasn't caldering,
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Speaker 1: and you could go and you can penalize based on
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Speaker 1: what you see on replay. Every single play in a
20:06
Speaker 1: football game has a penalty happening, every single one. Now
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Speaker 1: they get called on a flag gets thrown on what
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Speaker 1: five plays in a really really flag heavy game. If
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Speaker 1: you go back and you let instant replay evaluate all
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Speaker 1: of these moments and retry readjudicate that situation, every single
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Speaker 1: touchdown is gonna get called back. Oh turns out we
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Speaker 1: went back to the fourth play of that scoring drive
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Speaker 1: and sorry, left tackle was holding, so touchdown eliminated. Right,
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Speaker 1: There is such thing as excessive use of instant replay
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Speaker 1: and drawing that line. Figuring out that line is where
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Speaker 1: the World Cup needs to get better. It's where college football,
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Speaker 1: the NFL, Major League baseball, NBA basketball need to find
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Speaker 1: the right balance and use this World Cup to help
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Speaker 1: find that right balance. Right. Ye, A huge problem that
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Speaker 1: happened in the NBA this year, people started to get
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Speaker 1: sick of Oklahoma City SGA, the whole Thunder team trying
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Speaker 1: to draw contact and not finishing their movements, finishing their shots,
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Speaker 1: flopping to the ground. Now, whether or not they're going
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Speaker 1: to have shortened careers because of that, whether or not
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Speaker 1: they're going to have injuries because of that, that's a
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Speaker 1: completely different conversation. Are you serving the competition and are
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Speaker 1: you serving the fan base? Those two things go hand
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Speaker 1: in hand. If you're not playing in a way that
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Speaker 1: has integrity relative to the spirit of competition, if you're
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Speaker 1: not playing in a way that is, for lack of
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Speaker 1: a better term, straightforward, and your fan base is gonna
22:01
Speaker 1: at some point be like, I don't like this. I
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Speaker 1: don't like what I'm seeing. And we saw that happen,
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Speaker 1: by the way, with the league MVP and defending champions
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Speaker 1: in the NBA, everyone outside of the state of Oklahoma
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Speaker 1: soured on OKC because they're like, geez, we get it.
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Speaker 1: You want the whistle, you want the free tos, we
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Speaker 1: get it, right. We've been through iterations of this in
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Speaker 1: NBA basketball before.
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Speaker 3: That's the same with tanking too.
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Speaker 1: It's the same with tanking. You don't want like. Nobody
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Speaker 1: liked hack a shack, nobody likes tanking, Nobody likes SGA
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Speaker 1: falling to the ground and flopping every five seconds. We
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Speaker 1: hated it when it was Dwayne Wade doing it. The
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Speaker 1: league put in non meaningful fines. They didn't actually enforce
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Speaker 1: any of this right. They put in new rules though,
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Speaker 1: and said, hey, we're gonna give you a five thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars fine, and then it's gonna go to ten thousand,
22:55
Speaker 1: it's gonna go to fifty thousand, it's gonna go to
22:57
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand. I don't know how many they actually
23:01
Speaker 1: hand it out, but it's been part of the NBA
23:03
Speaker 1: rule book. Now, if you truly pedalize like not, we're
23:09
Speaker 1: gonna go back and we're gonna watch the replay and
23:14
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you a fine tomorrow, or we're gonna
23:17
Speaker 1: give you a fine next week for flopping. There's not
23:22
Speaker 1: a real NBA equivalent of getting sent off on your
23:25
Speaker 1: second yellow card, but if it's a technical foul, SGA
23:30
Speaker 1: every time you flop. Now we're talking. Now, we're talking
23:35
Speaker 1: about a way where replay could help you to fix
23:40
Speaker 1: your game, and that has to be collectively bargained in
23:43
Speaker 1: the NBA. So it's never gonna go like that. But
23:47
Speaker 1: there's something to it, right finding the right balance of this,
23:51
Speaker 1: and it is exactly that it is balancing a basketball
23:56
Speaker 1: and it's balancing a soccer ball on the tip of
23:58
Speaker 1: your pinky finger. Because if you excessively rely on technology,
24:04
Speaker 1: if you go too far on technology, then people aren't
24:09
Speaker 1: gonna like it the way that we don't like a
24:12
Speaker 1: goal being taken away from something that happened forty eight
24:15
Speaker 1: seconds ago on the opposite end of the field. We
24:18
Speaker 1: don't like that. Nope, I and I don't want to
24:21
Speaker 1: speak for everyone. I do like the idea that if
24:24
Speaker 1: your best player, instead of trying to play the ball,
24:28
Speaker 1: is diving to the floor, diving to the turf, diving
24:31
Speaker 1: to the grass, and acting like he's been shot instead
24:34
Speaker 1: of just trying to play the game and to win,
24:36
Speaker 1: if he gets punished for that, I do like that.
24:39
Speaker 1: And if it takes replay in order for us to
24:41
Speaker 1: get to that conclusion, in my opinion, so be it
24:46
Speaker 1: targeting in college football. At first, if you remember, targeting
24:51
Speaker 1: was not reviewed, was not reviewable. Targeting was just like hey,
24:57
Speaker 1: that bang bang play that clash of helmet that I
25:00
Speaker 1: thought I heard. You're out number twenty, you're out number
25:05
Speaker 1: thirty two, you're out starting linebacker, you're out fifty two.
25:09
Speaker 1: You're gone. You're gone for the rest of this game,
25:12
Speaker 1: in the first half a say, of the next game
25:14
Speaker 1: in some cases right. And then they realized like, ooh,
25:17
Speaker 1: we got a couple of these wrong where we understand
25:19
Speaker 1: why the referees in a bang bang moment thought that
25:23
Speaker 1: was targeting, but we're going to bring in replay and
25:26
Speaker 1: we're going to evaluate whether or not it truly was.
25:28
Speaker 1: And guess what they did that to a point where
25:33
Speaker 1: all of us were like, oh cool. So then they
25:36
Speaker 1: if they issue a targeting that wasn't actually a targeting,
25:40
Speaker 1: we're going to take this away and maybe the penalty stands.
25:43
Speaker 1: But the kid gets to continue to play, and we're like, yeah,
25:46
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. Guess what also happened. They got
25:51
Speaker 1: to go frame by frame slow motion by slow motion
25:55
Speaker 1: and see whether or not any kind of contact was
25:59
Speaker 1: made between helmet and face mask, helmet and shoulder pad.
26:04
Speaker 1: They got to evaluate in hyper slow motion freeze, frame
26:08
Speaker 1: by freeze, frame by freeze frame whether or not a
26:11
Speaker 1: player's launch angle was appropriate or it was too much.
26:16
Speaker 1: Go back to last year's byu Utah game Lander Barton
26:21
Speaker 1: on that infamous horrible play right yep, where bear Bachmeyer
26:26
Speaker 1: is in the grass but then he has let go
26:28
Speaker 1: and actually nudged along ends up getting hit by Lander Barton.
26:33
Speaker 1: It is deemed a targeting foul. Now that made it
26:37
Speaker 1: was a loud hit. It was like, okay, that might
26:41
Speaker 1: have been tart. I will make an argument that it
26:43
Speaker 1: was side of the head to side of the head
26:45
Speaker 1: clacking together and that is why Lander got ejected.
26:49
Speaker 3: Yep. I do remember those, So.
26:50
Speaker 1: That was like, that was one of those, and I
26:53
Speaker 1: fully acknowledge I might be crimson tinted glasses on that,
26:57
Speaker 1: but that was one of those where you're like, oh wait.
27:01
Speaker 1: The unintended consequence of trying to get it right is
27:06
Speaker 1: that you're like over analyzing things. You want to be analytical,
27:11
Speaker 1: you want to get it as close to accurate as
27:13
Speaker 1: you can. But again, if you go through every single
27:17
Speaker 1: play in every single sport in slow motion and freeze
27:20
Speaker 1: frame it, you're going to be able to see things
27:23
Speaker 1: that referees are missing and by the way, are supposed
27:26
Speaker 1: to miss. Right, A hold happens on every single play
27:32
Speaker 1: in football. I promise a foul happens on every single
27:35
Speaker 1: possession in basketball. I promise every single one a buy
27:40
Speaker 1: the book. If you slow this down in slow motion
27:43
Speaker 1: and you freeze frame it, a foul is happening on
27:45
Speaker 1: every possession in basketball.
27:48
Speaker 3: Well, especially with the contact sport too, like there's there's
27:50
Speaker 3: going to be some sort of contact where it can
27:52
Speaker 3: be you know, a penalty or not a penalty.
27:54
Speaker 1: I mean in soccer. And I've I acknowledge that I'm
28:00
Speaker 1: jumping on this bandwagon and I'm becoming an expert in
28:03
Speaker 1: a I throw up expert air quotes very casually. I'm
28:08
Speaker 1: becoming an expert and passionate about this in like a
28:11
Speaker 1: two week span. I fully acknowledge. Okay, I went to Wimbledon. Wimbledon,
28:17
Speaker 1: they use technology, man, the judges are decorative. At this point,
28:23
Speaker 1: that person in the chair, Zach, you could fly over
28:27
Speaker 1: and do it. I could fly over and do it.
28:28
Speaker 1: You want to know why because you can't get it wrong,
28:31
Speaker 1: not anymore, because there's a trillion cameras, there's AI, there's
28:34
Speaker 1: a computer simulation. You remember all those great moments we
28:38
Speaker 1: used to have of John McEnroe yelling at a chair
28:41
Speaker 1: umpire doesn't happen anymore. You want to know why, because
28:45
Speaker 1: immediately after a ball either touches a line or doesn't
28:51
Speaker 1: touch a line, or grazes one side or another, immediately
28:56
Speaker 1: instantly there are screens on court court side right there
29:03
Speaker 1: that show the contact of the ball either with the
29:07
Speaker 1: white or outside of the white or inside the white
29:10
Speaker 1: or whatever. So players like, how you see things doesn't
29:14
Speaker 1: matter anymore, Judges, how you see things doesn't matter anymore.
29:18
Speaker 1: There's a computer telling us that's we've seen that happen
29:21
Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball. And if you're a traditionalist, you're
29:24
Speaker 1: probably like, ooh, do I like this? Do I not
29:27
Speaker 1: like this? I think the answer is in baseball, you
29:32
Speaker 1: probably do like it. You probably have to like it,
29:35
Speaker 1: right because you get that picture as long as we
29:38
Speaker 1: trust technology, which as long as you trust the technology
29:42
Speaker 1: is getting an accurate look, the computer is doing an
29:45
Speaker 1: accurate job. There's not a malfunction happening, then you're probably like,
29:50
Speaker 1: well that, yeah, the strike zone should not be Well,
29:54
Speaker 1: umpire's grumpy today, or this guy's from Cleveland, and you
29:59
Speaker 1: know how those Cleveland go They like the giant strike zone.
30:02
Speaker 1: All that guy's from Tucson. Tucson, they got a tighter one.
30:07
Speaker 1: So pitchers and catchers and batters are just like, who's
30:09
Speaker 1: behind me, who's the umpire? My strike zone is gonna
30:12
Speaker 1: adjust based on that No, like you want it to be.
30:15
Speaker 1: The World Cup has given us all these incredible drama storylines,
30:20
Speaker 1: moments great vaar and the use of replay in the
30:24
Speaker 1: World Cup has actually become for me in these crucial moments,
30:28
Speaker 1: in these exciting or not so exciting outcomes, has become
30:33
Speaker 1: a critical component of again the world's biggest sporting event,
30:40
Speaker 1: an actual centerpiece of the conversation in the most important
30:45
Speaker 1: results in the most important tournament worldwide for sports are
30:50
Speaker 1: centered around what they called it VAR. We call it
30:54
Speaker 1: instant replay.
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Speaker 3: Yep, I'm sure I could go on a whole tangent
30:58
Speaker 3: rant about VAR this tournament, but I'll I may say
31:02
Speaker 3: that for later, if if I get the opportunity to
31:04
Speaker 3: do that, because I have so many complaints and so
31:06
Speaker 3: many knock complaints about VR in this tournament, especially with
31:08
Speaker 3: like the flow ballocon like I've been.
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Speaker 1: Talking about, right, And if you hate VAR, you kind
31:13
Speaker 1: of have to hate all of it. And if you
31:15
Speaker 1: love Vaar, you kind of have to love all of it, right,
31:19
Speaker 1: And That's where I'm at because I'm like, well, hold on,
31:21
Speaker 1: because I love that this Swiss guy was penalized for
31:25
Speaker 1: clear non contact that he tried to make into a foul.
31:29
Speaker 1: I love that he was yellow carter for that, and
31:31
Speaker 1: if he got sent off, so be it. What I
31:33
Speaker 1: don't love is when Egypt committed a foul at the
31:37
Speaker 1: other end and they didn't even blow the whistle. They
31:40
Speaker 1: didn't worry about it until after Egypt scored, and then
31:43
Speaker 1: they're like, rewind though, and why wasn't Vaar used to
31:48
Speaker 1: change an outcome when a goal kick hits the guide
31:52
Speaker 1: wire on the sky cam? Right, it's got to be consistent.
31:56
Speaker 1: So I do believe if you want to hate all
32:00
Speaker 1: all of it, you should hate all of it. If
32:01
Speaker 1: you want to love all it, you should love all
32:02
Speaker 1: of it. But anyway, I could rant on this forever,
32:05
Speaker 1: it's not a good idea to continue to do. So
32:08
Speaker 1: we have j Noley joining us. He might have some
32:11
Speaker 1: thoughts on this. We've got maybe an update on potential
32:16
Speaker 1: future eligibility for Utah football seniors if they get grandfathered
32:21
Speaker 1: in on a new five or for five rule We've
32:24
Speaker 1: got later on in the show today, Roxy Bernstein joining us.
32:27
Speaker 1: There's just a lot of fun stuff going on here
32:30
Speaker 1: on a Monday. But j Nolly next, it's the Sean
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Speaker 1: World Cup and RSL by the way back in action
33:43
Speaker 1: this week as well. Jay Dolly, welcome to the show.
33:45
Speaker 1: How are you good?
33:47
Speaker 4: Oh see how you doing?
33:48
Speaker 1: Man? I have over the past couple of weeks I
33:51
Speaker 1: have become a long overdue, die hard, deep in my
33:56
Speaker 1: bones and blood soccer fan. I never thought it was
33:59
Speaker 1: gonna happen, but that's what an American World Cup has
34:01
Speaker 1: done for me at age forty two.
34:03
Speaker 6: Oh you know, and I think it would have excelled
34:06
Speaker 6: a little further if it would have gone better with Belgium.
34:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that probably would have happened. I would have
34:13
Speaker 1: gotten us MNT tattooed on my face or something crazy.
34:17
Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, this has been a really I think, informative, cathartic,
34:23
Speaker 1: important World Cup for the average American sports fan who
34:27
Speaker 1: probably previously this was not a hardcore soccer fan. And
34:32
Speaker 1: you know, it's not just because of what happened with
34:34
Speaker 1: the US men's national team, but just like seeing it.
34:37
Speaker 1: They've done such a great job with the broadcast, watching
34:40
Speaker 1: the way that like the American sports culture meets up
34:43
Speaker 1: with all these other like visiting nations and their fan bases.
34:47
Speaker 1: And I said it at the beginning of the tournament,
34:49
Speaker 1: I said it while US men's national team was still alive.
34:52
Speaker 1: I still believe it's true. I think that there is
34:54
Speaker 1: going to be a lingering after effect, a positive one
34:58
Speaker 1: for the US in its relationship with soccer, after hosting
35:02
Speaker 1: this World Cup and going the way that it has gone.
35:05
Speaker 1: Do you feel the same or do you feel like
35:07
Speaker 1: the the exit and some of the controversy that happened
35:09
Speaker 1: before the exit may have soured the American soccer fan
35:13
Speaker 1: or the potential American soccer fan.
35:16
Speaker 6: I think overall, you know, especially in North America, Canada
35:20
Speaker 6: and Mexico has gone really well as well too. You know,
35:23
Speaker 6: the external look, you know, the world's view of now
35:27
Speaker 6: coming inside America a little bit more has definitely been
35:30
Speaker 6: such a positive. You know, we saw the different teams,
35:33
Speaker 6: the culture is, what they've experienced driving across the country
35:36
Speaker 6: has been phenomenal for a lot of people. They just
35:38
Speaker 6: didn't understand what America was really all about. I think
35:42
Speaker 6: that second piece was, you know, the the Americans grasping
35:45
Speaker 6: onto soccer or football more than we did prior. And
35:49
Speaker 6: we saw a huge lift you know in ninety four
35:51
Speaker 6: when it was here. I don't know if there's going
35:54
Speaker 6: to be a long term hangover. I do think we've
35:57
Speaker 6: turned a lot of eyes, but now it's a lot
35:59
Speaker 6: of it's up to the LS to live up to
36:01
Speaker 6: those standards of uh, you know, the other other leagues
36:04
Speaker 6: in the world. You know, there's still a lot of
36:07
Speaker 6: viewership of the Premier Premier League, you know La Liga
36:11
Speaker 6: over in Europe. But getting that lift you know in
36:16
Speaker 6: MLS for that TV viewership will be huge. You know,
36:19
Speaker 6: some of these big teams Seattle across across the country
36:24
Speaker 6: can can get great fands locally, but it's you know,
36:27
Speaker 6: kind of stretching across and selling out Columbus crew, you know,
36:31
Speaker 6: making sure Kansas City is back to where they need
36:33
Speaker 6: to be those types of pieces. Hopefully we'll see that lift.
36:36
Speaker 6: I'm just not sure how long term it is, but
36:40
Speaker 6: I do think everything just turns so positive of how
36:42
Speaker 6: many people I've talked to just being like, I've never
36:44
Speaker 6: really watched soccer and I love it.
36:49
Speaker 1: What do you make of the like national television conversation
36:53
Speaker 1: about youth soccer in our development programs. That's been one
36:57
Speaker 1: of the interesting after effects of the you know, the
37:01
Speaker 1: US exit from this tournament is immediately people are like, Okay, well,
37:05
Speaker 1: why aren't we better? And I understand that I was
37:08
Speaker 1: asking the question myself, and one of the major points
37:12
Speaker 1: of blame seems to be that there's a I don't know,
37:16
Speaker 1: a problem with the way that we developed soccer talent,
37:18
Speaker 1: the accessibility of elite soccer, or you know, families that
37:23
Speaker 1: might have great athletes but can't afford to develop them
37:25
Speaker 1: the same way. I have not been in that world.
37:28
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you've been in around that world.
37:30
Speaker 1: You're obviously much closer to soccer than I am. So
37:32
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that conversation being like really
37:35
Speaker 1: center stage on like I mean, it's on Sports Center,
37:38
Speaker 1: Alexi Lollis is talking about it on Fox.
37:40
Speaker 3: What do you think?
37:42
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the big one there that you know
37:44
Speaker 6: that you're probably coming off of too, is you know
37:46
Speaker 6: Alexi Lawless and you know his his viewpoint of it,
37:50
Speaker 6: of yes, it is good pay for play, It is
37:53
Speaker 6: good to you know, get your kids in the right area.
37:58
Speaker 4: If you have the resources to do it. If you
38:01
Speaker 4: talk about.
38:01
Speaker 6: Growth of the game and finding the right people, I
38:04
Speaker 6: think that's the wrong model. You know, when when you
38:07
Speaker 6: when you look in Europe, when you look in you know,
38:11
Speaker 6: South America anywhere, really you need a ball and a
38:16
Speaker 6: flat ground, you know, and that's how these kids grow
38:19
Speaker 6: and develop. They do it on their own and then
38:21
Speaker 6: they find an opportunity to join a club or join
38:24
Speaker 6: a practice or get into an academy, you know, and
38:27
Speaker 6: it doesn't matter where they've come from. It it's based
38:30
Speaker 6: off their skill level. And that's why you know, they
38:34
Speaker 6: do only focus really on soccer. That is one of
38:36
Speaker 6: their main uh you know sports. But in the US,
38:41
Speaker 6: you lose out on all those types of kids, you know,
38:43
Speaker 6: once you get to that type of level where he
38:46
Speaker 6: got to pay for it, because there's six or seven
38:48
Speaker 6: different sporting options, and so I don't think we're we're
38:52
Speaker 6: looking at the grassroots part of it to like really
38:55
Speaker 6: develop these kids into focusing on soccer and focusing on
39:00
Speaker 6: growing our.
39:00
Speaker 4: Youth because there's such a these youth teams.
39:06
Speaker 6: You know, you get former former players, former executives you know,
39:09
Speaker 6: become the director over these these programs and they need
39:14
Speaker 6: to make money, they want to make money, and so
39:16
Speaker 6: there's lots.
39:17
Speaker 4: Of costs involved to it.
39:18
Speaker 6: I do think we're missing out on that big development piece,
39:22
Speaker 6: you know, kind of that top to bottom through the academies,
39:24
Speaker 6: how you support it, how you get the best kids
39:27
Speaker 6: in there. I think we miss out on a lot
39:28
Speaker 6: of that, and I think it's going to, you know,
39:31
Speaker 6: continue to hold us back a little bit. Although I
39:33
Speaker 6: am optimistic is when you watch these thirteen fourteen, fifteen
39:39
Speaker 6: sixteen academies, these kids are incredible. So I do think
39:42
Speaker 6: we're going.
39:43
Speaker 3: To have a big lift.
39:44
Speaker 6: I just don't think it's what it should be and
39:46
Speaker 6: I think it does strain a lot of families.
39:49
Speaker 1: Jaye Nolly's our guest here on the Sean o' commas
39:51
Speaker 1: show talking about World Cup soccer. We'll talk all things
39:53
Speaker 1: soccer while we have the time for it. What do
39:55
Speaker 1: you make of the use of VAR? And really, I
39:58
Speaker 1: guess just the conversation around how VAR seems to have
40:02
Speaker 1: changed some outcomes in important ways in this tournament. The
40:06
Speaker 1: plow Baligan thing was centered around VAR twice. Now Argentina
40:10
Speaker 1: has had somewhat controversial conversations involved with VAR. It feels
40:14
Speaker 1: like all the surviving teams have had at least one
40:18
Speaker 1: thing go their way when it came to VAR. What
40:21
Speaker 1: do you make of it?
40:23
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's been tough. I don't think it's
40:25
Speaker 6: been a good look for the var crews. I do
40:28
Speaker 6: think they were trying to follow the letter of the
40:29
Speaker 6: law and a lot of them and it just kind
40:31
Speaker 6: of bounced the game awkwardly, you know, the plobalgon one. No,
40:36
Speaker 6: I don't think it was a red card. I do
40:39
Speaker 6: think the cull should have just been left on the
40:41
Speaker 6: field where there was no foul. Honestly, it was just
40:43
Speaker 6: an awkward play and a collision. Well, once you do that,
40:47
Speaker 6: you bring everything into play. I think the Argentina one
40:49
Speaker 6: against Egypt as well hard done for Egypt.
40:52
Speaker 4: You know, little.
40:54
Speaker 6: Tiny contact goes the other way to score a goal,
40:57
Speaker 6: could have gone into two zero against Argentina, you know,
41:00
Speaker 6: when it comes all the way back, and it was
41:02
Speaker 6: just a long process, unfortunate for them as well, you know,
41:08
Speaker 6: and then you know, France gets gets on the good
41:10
Speaker 6: end of one. So it's just been tough because I
41:13
Speaker 6: think the calls have been you know, razor sin and
41:17
Speaker 6: they've kind of gone in the direction that the public
41:19
Speaker 6: and the reviewers have just said, that's not the right
41:23
Speaker 6: way we should have done this, and it's oh, by
41:25
Speaker 6: the way, the World's Cup, you know, and so Argentina
41:29
Speaker 6: has just been they've been electric in kind of the
41:33
Speaker 6: good and bad ways, you know, extra time, fantastic goals
41:38
Speaker 6: and then living on the edge with some calls. But
41:41
Speaker 6: just overall for v R there's just been some big
41:43
Speaker 6: ones that have just made it look pretty bad. That's
41:45
Speaker 6: slowed down the process and just kind of gotten the
41:48
Speaker 6: call wrong overall.
41:50
Speaker 1: Who's going to win this thing? Now that we're down
41:52
Speaker 1: to our final four.
41:55
Speaker 6: And I'm gonna say, I don't know about you. I
41:57
Speaker 6: love this final four. You know, sins are fantastic, love
42:01
Speaker 6: Cinderella is kind of going through. But Argentina, France, Spain, England,
42:06
Speaker 6: you know, some of the top you know, probably six
42:08
Speaker 6: in the world, maybe the top four right now playing
42:11
Speaker 6: to win a World Cup, and just such storylines as
42:13
Speaker 6: there as well too with you know, Messi and Bape
42:16
Speaker 6: with the goals. Spain is so consistent and strong, only
42:20
Speaker 6: giving up a one goal, and then England, who just
42:24
Speaker 6: you know, is just crabbing onto the country and flying through.
42:26
Speaker 6: So I absolutely love it. I picked Spain before the
42:29
Speaker 6: World Cup. I think France is the best team right now.
42:32
Speaker 6: So I think that that France Spain game is going
42:35
Speaker 6: to be very interesting.
42:36
Speaker 4: How it goes. But you can never you know, I could.
42:40
Speaker 6: Easily see England beating Argentina, but I'm gonna stick to
42:44
Speaker 6: my guns. I'm gonna I'm gonna think Spain gets its
42:46
Speaker 6: way through just being the more sound all around team defensively,
42:50
Speaker 6: very strong, good through the midfield, and they've been creating
42:53
Speaker 6: enough opportunities to get goals up top.
42:56
Speaker 1: You just mentioned the Cinderella aspect of this, and there
42:59
Speaker 1: were some teams that kind of captured everyone's hearts. Cape
43:03
Speaker 1: Verrett is the one that jumps to mind for me,
43:04
Speaker 1: and not only the team, but obviously the goal Our
43:08
Speaker 1: goalkeeper apparently is in advanced talks to maybe come to MLS.
43:11
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the latest on that. So you love
43:14
Speaker 1: those stories. That's great, and immediately FIFA's like, well, we
43:18
Speaker 1: might actually expand this thing even further. A sixty four
43:21
Speaker 1: team World Cup means everybody gets invited. What do you
43:26
Speaker 1: make of that? Because we did this, We've done this
43:28
Speaker 1: twice three four times now with the NCAA basketball tournament,
43:33
Speaker 1: and while that is a huge American thing, it's not
43:36
Speaker 1: as big and impactful for the world. I think we've
43:39
Speaker 1: jumped the shark on it. I don't think we need
43:41
Speaker 1: seventy two teams in college basketball tournament. Do we need
43:44
Speaker 1: sixty four in the World Cup?
43:47
Speaker 6: I don't believe. So I really enjoyed this one. It
43:52
Speaker 6: did allow for those Cape verd As you know, to
43:54
Speaker 6: kind of come through. There were a few of them.
43:56
Speaker 6: Haiti played really well in the first initial stage as well,
43:59
Speaker 6: you know, and so we were still able to get
44:01
Speaker 6: some of that. But how important qualifying is, we'll start
44:08
Speaker 6: to get diluted, you know, the more teams that you
44:10
Speaker 6: allow in which qualifying is electric as well too, you know,
44:14
Speaker 6: when you look at the playing games over in Europe
44:16
Speaker 6: or you know the playoffs as well, where's Italy, you know,
44:21
Speaker 6: and if you expand then you're bringing it back in.
44:23
Speaker 6: But also we're losing that aspect of how important qualifying is,
44:28
Speaker 6: and and just such a crazy year it is when
44:30
Speaker 6: you're in that qualifying you know, every game matters to
44:33
Speaker 6: get three points, and you know when you get over
44:35
Speaker 6: into like Africa and Europe, just the importance of it.
44:38
Speaker 6: If you're a big team that gets left out, there's
44:40
Speaker 6: more impacts when you go to sixty four. Some of
44:42
Speaker 6: those big teams, it's just going to be hard to
44:44
Speaker 6: get left out just because of the talent pool they have,
44:47
Speaker 6: But then is that what they're creating just to make
44:50
Speaker 6: sure we have all the best countries in the World
44:53
Speaker 6: Cup all the time. I think it loses a little lower.
44:55
Speaker 6: I don't think we should move it pass this. But
44:58
Speaker 6: money talks. You know, we seen it with NCAA Football
45:02
Speaker 6: and NFL, NBA.
45:04
Speaker 4: You know when money talks.
45:06
Speaker 6: You know in viewership, we saw the commercials during the
45:08
Speaker 6: water breaks. That's gonna be the part that's going to
45:11
Speaker 6: be really hard to hold up. But I don't think
45:13
Speaker 6: they should.
45:14
Speaker 4: Move past it.
45:14
Speaker 6: I'd really liked actually this format and how they've gone to,
45:18
Speaker 6: but expanding it more it's just gonna it's just gonna
45:20
Speaker 6: dilute the process getting in.
45:23
Speaker 1: Give me a sense of what you know RSL is
45:25
Speaker 1: feeling right now. These guys hopefully refreshed with a little
45:28
Speaker 1: time off. I know they were watching the World Cup
45:30
Speaker 1: and probably being energized by some of what they see
45:32
Speaker 1: during this break as well. You got Burnley coming in
45:36
Speaker 1: to America First Field on Wednesday night. Give me a
45:39
Speaker 1: sense of where you think these these uh RSL players
45:43
Speaker 1: are at mentally.
45:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's one.
45:46
Speaker 6: Of those you know, I was playing as well when
45:49
Speaker 6: we had a you know, a World Cup year and
45:51
Speaker 6: had a little bit of a break too, and it
45:53
Speaker 6: was great from an aspect of just being able to enjoy,
45:56
Speaker 6: you know, the tournament and then train. But you know,
46:00
Speaker 6: when you just train and train and train and train,
46:02
Speaker 6: that grind of just training, you get antsy and you
46:05
Speaker 6: want to start playing. And when you're just kicking against
46:08
Speaker 6: you know, your own team or the younger guys, it
46:10
Speaker 6: gets old. So you know, being able to see you know,
46:15
Speaker 6: one Mansta Sona Brie play in the World Cup two
46:17
Speaker 6: for Uruguay will be exciting, you know when he joined
46:20
Speaker 6: the team again, and I think that it's great. They're
46:24
Speaker 6: going to get to play a high level match against Burnley,
46:26
Speaker 6: who's coming in you know obviously in their preseason for
46:28
Speaker 6: the summer, and they're going to get a lot of
46:31
Speaker 6: guys some minutes and that's going to help build into
46:34
Speaker 6: the first game coming up on the twenty second. But
46:36
Speaker 6: you know, this team also just picked up Legendisee from
46:39
Speaker 6: from Atlanta, who is a electric kind of left forward
46:43
Speaker 6: kind of in that position, so it's going to be
46:45
Speaker 6: interesting where they kind of piece him. He can kind
46:47
Speaker 6: of play all across the front. But you know, you
46:50
Speaker 6: have Diego Luna, you have Gozo who's doing really well.
46:53
Speaker 6: You know, Salons and Golovogia as well. So they just
46:57
Speaker 6: picked up a very very solid piece from Atlanta, which
47:01
Speaker 6: will be interesting to see him against.
47:04
Speaker 4: Burnley.
47:04
Speaker 6: But also that second part of the season. You know,
47:07
Speaker 6: this team's really got something that they can push forward.
47:09
Speaker 6: They've positioned themselves well and I think they can get
47:12
Speaker 6: to those next levels if it really starts clicking on
47:15
Speaker 6: the front.
47:17
Speaker 1: Jay, appreciate your time and your perspective. Sir, thanks so much.
47:20
Speaker 1: We'll chat again soon.
47:22
Speaker 6: Yeah, always good hearing from of you.
47:23
Speaker 4: OC.
47:24
Speaker 1: Have a good one, Bud j Nally, great stuff from
47:26
Speaker 1: the former MLS goaltender. Obviously spend some time here with
47:30
Speaker 1: RSL Big thanks to him and every one of our
47:33
Speaker 1: soccer guests that has really helped me along in this
47:36
Speaker 1: World Cup process. And it has been an incredibly fascinating tournament.
47:41
Speaker 1: And I'll say this like I always exaggerate my excitement
47:49
Speaker 1: and I really dive into the Olympics and things like that.
47:53
Speaker 1: The World Cup is not an exact equivalent to like
47:56
Speaker 1: the summer winter Olympics, because you got to have some
47:59
Speaker 1: of scure channels and a lot of time on your
48:02
Speaker 1: hands if you want to follow snowboarding outside of the
48:06
Speaker 1: Olympic cycle, or you want to be watching track and
48:09
Speaker 1: field outside of the summer Olympics. Soccer is one of
48:14
Speaker 1: those things that, like, when there's not football on, when
48:17
Speaker 1: there's not hockey on, when there's not fights on, Soccer
48:21
Speaker 1: is something I am and with my family we are
48:24
Speaker 1: into it. My two year old when we were watching
48:28
Speaker 1: tennis yesterday, we were watching the Wimbledon's final, the men's final.
48:32
Speaker 1: My two year old goes, I want to watch that
48:34
Speaker 1: soccer game because she's just like so excited about the
48:37
Speaker 1: fact that we got sports on TV. So, like, soccer
48:39
Speaker 1: is one of those things I can stay with. I
48:41
Speaker 1: think now, soccer players, public service announcement to you, I
48:47
Speaker 1: can't if you keep flopping like crazy. So continue to
48:52
Speaker 1: penalize this and just just dial it back about ninety
48:56
Speaker 1: percent and you'll make a real soccer fan out of me.
49:00
Speaker 3: All right.
49:02
Speaker 1: Got to take our final break of the hour here.
49:03
Speaker 1: When we come back. This this weekend was also a
49:06
Speaker 1: highly anticipated return. It was a highly anticipated event in
49:13
Speaker 1: my world. In the MMA world, Connor McGregor fought for
49:16
Speaker 1: the first time in five and a half years, and
49:18
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why it ended as disastrously as anyone
49:22
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Speaker 1: seven hundred and ninety two one FM.
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Speaker 7: Based on Sean O'Connell's show, You Were Home of the
49:37
Speaker 7: Best Inside of Your use. Let's get back to OC
49:40
Speaker 7: from the Urdan Chevrolet Studio seven.
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Speaker 4: AM.
49:50
Speaker 1: Welcome to our number two. But really, technically it was
49:53
Speaker 1: supposed to be an hour number one. But that's what
49:55
Speaker 1: happens when I'm bad at the clock. We don't have
49:57
Speaker 1: a guest at the top artible two, so I can
49:59
Speaker 1: do like five minutes here without anyone getting overly mad
50:02
Speaker 1: at me. All right, Zach. Did you watch any of
50:06
Speaker 1: the Connor McGregor Max Holloway fight this weekend?
50:09
Speaker 3: I did not because I was focused on the Argentina
50:12
Speaker 3: game because.
50:12
Speaker 1: It only lasted sixty nine seconds, so there wasn't much
50:15
Speaker 1: to watch. Highly anticipated, at least in the MMA world
50:19
Speaker 1: return of Connor McGregor to active competition. It's been more
50:23
Speaker 1: than five years since he last fought, and he's he's
50:28
Speaker 1: been involved in multiple controversies away from competition. He's been
50:33
Speaker 1: juiced to the Gills trying to get himself to heal
50:37
Speaker 1: from a broken leg and the surgery after that, and
50:39
Speaker 1: then obviously that helped him to look Hollywood ready for
50:47
Speaker 1: his role in the remake of Roadhouse. You know, he
50:52
Speaker 1: sold his proper twelve whiskey company. He's been doing the
50:57
Speaker 1: thing that rich entrepreneurs do and step back in which
51:01
Speaker 1: I've always for the last ten years, I've said this
51:03
Speaker 1: about Connor McGregor, like whether you love him or hate him,
51:06
Speaker 1: and a lot of people hate him and he's very problematic.
51:10
Speaker 1: There's something admirable about someone who does not have to
51:15
Speaker 1: do it, that still wants to do it. And that's
51:18
Speaker 1: true of every sport, but in combat sports especially, and
51:23
Speaker 1: obviously MMA is close to my heart for the reasons of,
51:26
Speaker 1: you know, having been in it for as long as
51:28
Speaker 1: I have. But there's plenty of guys that are looking
51:32
Speaker 1: for their first exit from the like as soon as
51:34
Speaker 1: they make good money. You could put me in this category.
51:37
Speaker 1: As soon as I made real money, I was like, Okay,
51:40
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna get out of this, not because
51:42
Speaker 1: I didn't love the sport, but because I had accumulated
51:44
Speaker 1: enough damage and all that kind of stuff. Right, Conor
51:46
Speaker 1: McGregor has paid the cost and he does not need
51:50
Speaker 1: to compete at all, doesn't have to, but he does.
51:54
Speaker 1: And there are people out there who say, well, no,
51:56
Speaker 1: he's out of money. Now I don't think that's true.
51:59
Speaker 1: But a thirty million dollar paycheck, which is about you
52:03
Speaker 1: know what's being reported as the estimated to take home
52:06
Speaker 1: for him between twenty and thirty which is a big range.
52:08
Speaker 1: But you know, he's he doesn't have to do it anymore.
52:14
Speaker 1: He he came into this fight, I thought he was
52:17
Speaker 1: gonna lose. Ninety percent of the bets came in in
52:21
Speaker 1: his favor, because that's what impulsive behavior does when you're
52:25
Speaker 1: down in Vegas. Remember when a bunch of the bets
52:28
Speaker 1: were coming in on him beating Floyd Mayweather in a
52:30
Speaker 1: boxing match also, but a bunch of bets came in
52:34
Speaker 1: on him as the you know, the winner of this fight,
52:38
Speaker 1: which means that the sportsbooks absolutely cleaned up this weekend
52:42
Speaker 1: in Vegas. Because the first kick that he threw was
52:45
Speaker 1: kind of a leaping headkick, and he's a southpaw right
52:51
Speaker 1: so he stands with his left arm and left foot
52:54
Speaker 1: behind him, right hand, right foot you know, in front
52:58
Speaker 1: does that kind of wide karate stand. So when he
53:02
Speaker 1: dashes forward and leaps his turning foot, his plant foot
53:06
Speaker 1: is his right leg, okay, and he lands on that
53:10
Speaker 1: and you can see his leg give out, and then
53:12
Speaker 1: he tries to throw another kick and the leg gives
53:14
Speaker 1: out again, and then you know he's on the ground
53:17
Speaker 1: getting beat up a little bit. He gets back to
53:19
Speaker 1: his feet, you can see he's unsteady, and his opponent,
53:23
Speaker 1: Max Holloway, who is my favorite fighter, Max Holloway, is
53:27
Speaker 1: like imploring with the referee. He's like, there's something wrong
53:30
Speaker 1: with him, he's injured. Just call like it's over. And
53:35
Speaker 1: a few seconds later it was because Connor reaches back
53:38
Speaker 1: grabs his right leg. Now that by itself anti climactic annoying.
53:44
Speaker 1: It was otherwise a really great card, a bunch of
53:46
Speaker 1: big finishes, a bunch of fun fights that by itself
53:51
Speaker 1: is just like, oh, that's what happens when you take
53:53
Speaker 1: five years off and you come back and you think
53:55
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to throw a crazy technique. The
53:57
Speaker 1: reason it became more in'rigging and perhaps controversial for people is,
54:04
Speaker 1: you know, the broadcast team is doing their best to like,
54:07
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I can't believe this happened. Where did
54:11
Speaker 1: it happen? The slow motion replays of him landing funny
54:14
Speaker 1: and his knee kind of buckling, and then the internet
54:17
Speaker 1: sleuths come out and they actually even did this on
54:20
Speaker 1: the broadcast. You know, you walk out for a boxing match,
54:24
Speaker 1: you walk out for an MMA fight, and there's those
54:27
Speaker 1: final moments before you actually climb into the ring or
54:30
Speaker 1: you climb into the cage, and in those moments, you
54:33
Speaker 1: take your shirt off, you take your robe off if
54:36
Speaker 1: you're a boxer, right, they put a little extra vacoline
54:39
Speaker 1: on your face for the anti friction in MMA. They
54:45
Speaker 1: check to make sure you've got your grind protector on.
54:49
Speaker 1: You smile so they can see you've got a mouthpiece in.
54:52
Speaker 1: They inspect your gloves to make sure there's no foreign
54:54
Speaker 1: objects tucked into your gloves. They even check your fingernails
54:58
Speaker 1: to make sure there's that longer jagged finger situations going on.
55:02
Speaker 1: And then you walk in and most guys are wearing
55:05
Speaker 1: socks with no shoes or like slides, flip flops, whatever,
55:09
Speaker 1: and Connor McGregor in that moment, they've got cameras on you, right,
55:13
Speaker 1: So then they show on the broadcast. They show that
55:17
Speaker 1: he's maybe a little unsteady on his right leg as
55:20
Speaker 1: he's kicking his slippers off.
55:24
Speaker 3: Interesting, and everyone's.
55:25
Speaker 1: Like, oh, did he come into this fight injured? Why
55:28
Speaker 1: does that matter? Well, because if an athlete is trying
55:35
Speaker 1: to fight hurt, that's normal. Everyone's hurt by the time
55:38
Speaker 1: they get to the fight. Bumps and bruises and camp.
55:41
Speaker 1: Now trying to compete while injured in a prize fighting
55:45
Speaker 1: heavily bet centric sport like combat sports, Now we're talking
55:51
Speaker 1: about something different altogether in a lot of people's minds.
55:54
Speaker 1: If Connor McGregor came into this knowing how a blown
55:57
Speaker 1: out right knee, which is the ultimate result here, he's
55:59
Speaker 1: gonna have to have surgery, he says he's gonna rehab
56:02
Speaker 1: and come back and fight again. He's got one fight
56:04
Speaker 1: left on his UFC deal. I don't care about any
56:06
Speaker 1: of that. The question is did he and his team
56:10
Speaker 1: know that he was broken, that he had a bad
56:13
Speaker 1: right knee. And people are looking at everything. We spent
56:18
Speaker 1: a half hour talking about replaying var right. That's not
56:22
Speaker 1: just in sports competition. Now, there are people that paparazzi
56:26
Speaker 1: follows this guy right, him going to a pain management clinic.
56:29
Speaker 1: Was he going there just to get a massage to
56:32
Speaker 1: that weird cupping thing, or was he going there because
56:34
Speaker 1: he already had a blown out knee and he was
56:36
Speaker 1: trying to get himself to the fight. He doesn't get
56:40
Speaker 1: paid if he doesn't fight. The bets can't come in
56:43
Speaker 1: on that if he doesn't fight. And of course the
56:46
Speaker 1: bigger picture here is if he and his team knew
56:49
Speaker 1: that something was wrong? Did the UFC know that something
56:52
Speaker 1: was wrong? This was the record setting event, the highest
56:57
Speaker 1: gate that they have ever produced down in Vegas t
57:00
Speaker 1: Mobile Arena, which is effectively their home arena. Record setting
57:05
Speaker 1: sales prices on tickets. A guy I know posted on
57:10
Speaker 1: his social media that he got fleeced for He felt
57:13
Speaker 1: he got fleeced for a couple of racks because he
57:18
Speaker 1: went into the fight. He bought tickets to go to
57:21
Speaker 1: the fight. And I know this guy. He doesn't buy
57:23
Speaker 1: the cheap seats, the expensive seats of the singer ten grand.
57:28
Speaker 3: Right.
57:29
Speaker 1: And if you go into and you're watching that fight, right,
57:31
Speaker 1: this is this is prize fighting. This is like an
57:33
Speaker 1: event that you get. You know, your girl dresses up,
57:36
Speaker 1: where's the cocktail dress? You're sitting next to the guy
57:40
Speaker 1: wearing the fur coat and you drop a bunch of
57:44
Speaker 1: money on it. Right, none of that happens if Connor
57:47
Speaker 1: McGregor announces four days before oh I'm out. I mean,
57:51
Speaker 1: some people still go, but the big spenders don't, and
57:55
Speaker 1: nobody bets a grip of money on Connor McGregor. And
57:58
Speaker 1: by the way, if people had known that Connor was injured,
58:01
Speaker 1: then the money comes in the other way on Max Holloway,
58:04
Speaker 1: and it's the casinos who lose out. So the casinos
58:07
Speaker 1: are interested in concealing this. The UFC is interested in
58:10
Speaker 1: concealing this. Connor McGregor is interested in concealing this, And
58:13
Speaker 1: of course it happens all the time. But when it's
58:17
Speaker 1: a high it's the high profile fighter. It is the
58:20
Speaker 1: it is the high profile fighter in MMA. He is
58:25
Speaker 1: the name, he is Messi, he is Ronaldo, he is
58:29
Speaker 1: lebron he is Michael Jordan. They don't like, there's no
58:34
Speaker 1: individual NFL player that is that important compared to these
58:39
Speaker 1: other sports, right, he is the main draw. So then
58:43
Speaker 1: it becomes people are like, well, wait a second, is
58:47
Speaker 1: this a corruption situation? And again I'm the PFL guy, right,
58:52
Speaker 1: I want for the UFC to have some problems so
58:57
Speaker 1: we can gain a little traction. This is not a
58:59
Speaker 1: problem that I want for the UFC, right because if
59:05
Speaker 1: the big dog starts to develop a reputation that all
59:09
Speaker 1: MMA fights are fixed MMA fights, there's already a script,
59:12
Speaker 1: there's an outcome. You can't you can't go and watch
59:15
Speaker 1: this fight, you can't go and bet on this fight
59:18
Speaker 1: because there's some nefarious stuff at play that's bad for everybody.
59:23
Speaker 1: The rising tide lifts all boats. Well, this falling tide
59:26
Speaker 1: sinks us, all right. And if you can't go to
59:29
Speaker 1: econom McGregor fight and believe that there's gonna be an
59:32
Speaker 1: honest competition there, then you're not gonna spend big money
59:36
Speaker 1: on the next UFC fight. You're certainly not gonna spend
59:39
Speaker 1: big money on the PFL fights coming in. So this
59:43
Speaker 1: is a this is a big problem. It's hugely controversial.
59:47
Speaker 1: The UFC UH traditionally just dismisses all these things. Come on,
59:52
Speaker 1: give me a break. Well, this one there's a lot
59:56
Speaker 1: more money and a lot more not to ride, a
59:58
Speaker 1: lot more eyeballs on it. So this one I is
1:00:00
Speaker 1: probably gonna get a little bit more attention, and I
1:00:02
Speaker 1: don't know. I've seen all angles. There's a video of
1:00:06
Speaker 1: him warming up backstage, so that would have been taken
1:00:12
Speaker 1: sixty to thirty minutes before the fight actually happened. Where
1:00:14
Speaker 1: he's throwing that kick, he's practicing the kick and he's
1:00:17
Speaker 1: landing just fine, and he seems like he's turning just fine.
1:00:21
Speaker 1: Did he hurt himself in the warm up though, because
1:00:23
Speaker 1: when he's walking out and he's in the prep point,
1:00:26
Speaker 1: it looks like his knee hurts. There's people looking, well,
1:00:29
Speaker 1: why do you go to a pain management clinic. I'm like,
1:00:32
Speaker 1: maybe he just went to get some macupuncture. Fighters do
1:00:34
Speaker 1: that crap all the time during fight week. But if
1:00:36
Speaker 1: you're an internet sleuth and you want to stir up
1:00:39
Speaker 1: some controversy or see where the muck is being raked,
1:00:42
Speaker 1: go check this out. Even if you're not an MMA fan,
1:00:45
Speaker 1: there are some signs pointing to something being wrong at
1:00:49
Speaker 1: some even the way that he was not making eye
1:00:53
Speaker 1: contact with Max, that he was like his facial expression
1:00:56
Speaker 1: was different for this fight then for every other fight
1:00:59
Speaker 1: we've seen him in. Something to look at.
1:01:03
Speaker 3: I mean, if I'm Dana White, where's the point of
1:01:06
Speaker 3: like where this starts blowing up more and more where
1:01:10
Speaker 3: they actually want to investigate.
1:01:11
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this whole thing. Dana White does not
1:01:15
Speaker 1: want an investigation. And here's why. First of all, because
1:01:18
Speaker 1: he's got so much money that he doesn't truly care anymore.
1:01:22
Speaker 1: But also, Dana White doesn't want an investigation because you
1:01:28
Speaker 1: could almost certainly find something that's questionable. His m O
1:01:33
Speaker 1: and the UFC'SMO has been to bully journalists, to bully
1:01:40
Speaker 1: and look, do I hate it?
1:01:42
Speaker 4: Yeah?
1:01:42
Speaker 1: But is it something that the NFL has done, Yes,
1:01:45
Speaker 1: the NBA has done. Yes. It's not like he's uniquely
1:01:47
Speaker 1: evil in this. But when you ask those questions, what
1:01:51
Speaker 1: do they do? They insult you. They insult your intelligence, Like,
1:01:55
Speaker 1: come on, give me a break, you know how he
1:01:58
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the script. You know how closely
1:02:01
Speaker 1: the FBI looks at this kind of stuff. You think
1:02:03
Speaker 1: we're gonna have any corruption? Give me a break, kid,
1:02:05
Speaker 1: And then they move on. And then the UFC disciples,
1:02:10
Speaker 1: the fan base that suckles at that teat, says yeah,
1:02:12
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1:02:15
Speaker 1: There's no way corruption could be happening. There's no way
1:02:18
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1:02:20
Speaker 1: They look at that kind of stuff and guess what.
1:02:22
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1:02:25
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1:02:31
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1:02:34
Speaker 1: you probably could get injured on, you know what I mean.
1:02:36
Speaker 1: So we're never gonna find out. We're never gonna know
1:02:39
Speaker 1: the real answer because anybody who knows the truth would
1:02:44
Speaker 1: be invested in keeping it quiet. It's very under the rocks.
1:02:49
Speaker 1: All right, gotta take a break. I went a little
1:02:53
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1:02:58
Speaker 1: You're not gonna like this next one either. There's starting
1:03:02
Speaker 1: to be some rumors developing about a certain Big twelve
1:03:07
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1:03:13
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Speaker 1: We got a daily dumb coming at one o'clock.
1:03:45
Speaker 3: Roxy.
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Speaker 1: Bernstein's gonna swing by. We could talk a lot of
1:03:47
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1:03:55
Speaker 1: Roxy can cover it all, and we'll probably do that
1:03:58
Speaker 1: when we get to Roxy. There's this strong contingent, strong, small,
1:04:07
Speaker 1: but strong, and very vocal contingent of Utah fans who
1:04:14
Speaker 1: live with the sincere belief that it is an eventuality
1:04:17
Speaker 1: that Utah gets invited to the Big Ten Conference, probably
1:04:21
Speaker 1: sooner than later for most people's belief. I'm of my
1:04:27
Speaker 1: own belief that a big part of why Utah did
1:04:32
Speaker 1: the private equity deal with Ultro Capital to create Crimson
1:04:35
Speaker 1: Brand Partners was to correctly position the athletic department and
1:04:39
Speaker 1: the university to potentially make such a move in the
1:04:43
Speaker 1: next round of realignment for Utah. The academic standing of
1:04:53
Speaker 1: the university, the research, the research success of the institution,
1:04:57
Speaker 1: the medical school, all these things make Thank You a
1:05:00
Speaker 1: perfect fit for the Big Ten Football Conference, for the
1:05:03
Speaker 1: Big Ten Basketball Conference. By extension, it is the desired
1:05:10
Speaker 1: landing space. It's the Shagra Law, It's the great Valley
1:05:14
Speaker 1: shout out Land before time for Utah Athletics. It's where
1:05:19
Speaker 1: people want to end up. I'm a little bit more
1:05:22
Speaker 1: skeptical than others that that's where that it's an eventuality.
1:05:26
Speaker 1: There's there's strong possibilities, and there are conversations because it
1:05:31
Speaker 1: may it serves all parties to have those conversations. And
1:05:37
Speaker 1: to the chagrin and the annoyance of your rival fan base,
1:05:40
Speaker 1: this is something that is reported on and talked about
1:05:44
Speaker 1: again by this loyal, loud, convinced group that hey, this
1:05:50
Speaker 1: is what's going to happen eventually, and maybe it will.
1:05:55
Speaker 1: You know who's been left out of those conversations every
1:05:57
Speaker 1: time you tell people bring it up, b YU. And
1:06:01
Speaker 1: now some fringe outlets again, fringe outlets is important here.
1:06:05
Speaker 1: Some fringe outlets are starting to report on BYU begetting
1:06:12
Speaker 1: their own flirtation with the Big ten. Right, they're asking
1:06:16
Speaker 1: them to dance at the singles event. Okay, hands on hips,
1:06:21
Speaker 1: hands on shoulders, all right. I don't want any of
1:06:24
Speaker 1: this close quarters type stuff. It is right now a
1:06:29
Speaker 1: rumor and rumors in reality are often convoluted by college
1:06:33
Speaker 1: sports fan bases. The very thing that BYU fans hate
1:06:38
Speaker 1: about Utah fans and U tough fans hate about BYU fans,
1:06:43
Speaker 1: you're all guilty of, right. Utah fans, A certain contingent
1:06:48
Speaker 1: wants to believe you're too good for the Big twelve.
1:06:50
Speaker 1: The Big twelve is not a happy landing spot for you.
1:06:53
Speaker 1: It's not a place where you can thrive. And to
1:06:56
Speaker 1: some extent, to a very large extent, you're one hundred
1:06:59
Speaker 1: percent right on that. The Big twelve does not provide
1:07:03
Speaker 1: you with the resources, does not give you the same
1:07:05
Speaker 1: access to funds. And that's where I mean. The Almighty
1:07:09
Speaker 1: Greenback is ruling college football. You need to be in
1:07:11
Speaker 1: a place where you get as much of that as possible.
1:07:14
Speaker 1: The Big Ten's just got twice as much as you've got,
1:07:17
Speaker 1: So being in the Big ten is better for your
1:07:19
Speaker 1: athletic department. Receiving a half share of revenue in the
1:07:22
Speaker 1: Big ten is better for you because then you're going
1:07:25
Speaker 1: to work towards a full share. Right. Remember when SMU
1:07:30
Speaker 1: decided they needed to join the ACC and would didn't.
1:07:33
Speaker 1: They were like, don't even give us revenue. We're in
1:07:37
Speaker 1: oil money school. Don't even give us revenue. We will
1:07:40
Speaker 1: pay our way into your conference. Right, It's the same
1:07:44
Speaker 1: way Zach what's your what's your dream job in life?
1:07:47
Speaker 1: What is your dream dream dream job?
1:07:49
Speaker 3: To be in that chair you're sitting and obviously and
1:07:52
Speaker 3: obviously I want to do some play by play stuff
1:07:54
Speaker 3: and color.
1:07:55
Speaker 1: So I thought you were going to say that, Right,
1:07:57
Speaker 1: If somebody came to you today and oh, see, we're
1:08:02
Speaker 1: kicking them out of the chair for a month. We
1:08:05
Speaker 1: want you to do it, but we're not going to
1:08:07
Speaker 1: pay you for that month, what would your answer be, Yeah,
1:08:10
Speaker 1: RIGHTSI of course give me the reps. Right, give me
1:08:14
Speaker 1: the opportunity, because if you believe in yourself, you're like,
1:08:18
Speaker 1: I will prove to you I'm good at this and
1:08:21
Speaker 1: we will get to a point where now you have
1:08:23
Speaker 1: to pay me.
1:08:24
Speaker 4: Right.
1:08:25
Speaker 1: If somebody told me, hey, we want you to call,
1:08:29
Speaker 1: you know, big noon kickoff game, but we don't have
1:08:32
Speaker 1: any money for you, I'd be right cool. I'll also
1:08:36
Speaker 1: buy my own plane ticket if you need me to
1:08:38
Speaker 1: just give me the chance, right. SMU took that stance
1:08:43
Speaker 1: with the ACCR. I bet if you asked Utah and
1:08:46
Speaker 1: BYU and everyone else and you really got them speaking
1:08:49
Speaker 1: the truth, like, yeah, we will do that to join
1:08:52
Speaker 1: the Big ten, because then you're on the right side
1:08:56
Speaker 1: of things, right, and you could go in and you
1:08:57
Speaker 1: could win some football games in the Big Ten and
1:08:59
Speaker 1: then the Big Ten and just be like, man, we
1:09:01
Speaker 1: like these guys a lot better than we like Rutgers.
1:09:04
Speaker 1: These guys are more fun to have at the party
1:09:06
Speaker 1: than Maryland is Illinois. You disappoint us every time you
1:09:11
Speaker 1: battle your way up into the rankings, then you just
1:09:13
Speaker 1: the rest of the season. We'd rather have these guys, right,
1:09:16
Speaker 1: and you would take that opportunity. And that's where a
1:09:19
Speaker 1: lot of Utah fans think the future is. And now,
1:09:21
Speaker 1: BYU fans, as much as you hate it, you're doing
1:09:24
Speaker 1: the same thing. These reports are coming from again, these
1:09:28
Speaker 1: fringe type places, these podcasts, lawless republic dot com. You're
1:09:38
Speaker 1: just a BYU fan site, all right. A Spokeane Washington
1:09:43
Speaker 1: news station had this in their sports section. It's flirtation,
1:09:51
Speaker 1: it's speculation, and right now it is just a rumor.
1:09:56
Speaker 1: But that's also true for Utah fans. So if you're
1:10:00
Speaker 1: are you tough and you're like, no, the Big Ten
1:10:02
Speaker 1: wants us. Honestly, people are gonna hate me saying this
1:10:10
Speaker 1: from a sports standpoint, From a sports only standpoint, the
1:10:16
Speaker 1: Big Ten should take both sports only the academic standing thing.
1:10:23
Speaker 1: That's what BYU's problem is going to be. Because for now,
1:10:26
Speaker 1: and I think this is going to go away in
1:10:28
Speaker 1: the next five years. For now, these university presidents are
1:10:33
Speaker 1: keeping up the appearances that what you are as an
1:10:38
Speaker 1: academic institution still matters. I believe that's going away. I
1:10:43
Speaker 1: believe we get a separation of church and states, so
1:10:45
Speaker 1: to speak, between athletics and universities in a real and
1:10:49
Speaker 1: legal sense, sooner than later. And at that point the
1:10:53
Speaker 1: university president doesn't get to say, well, we don't want
1:10:56
Speaker 1: a religious school in this science conference. Right there, you
1:11:01
Speaker 1: go back to when the PAC twelve was expanding. That
1:11:04
Speaker 1: was one of the things that hurt BYU. And by
1:11:07
Speaker 1: the way, I wish it hadn't. I don't like Notre
1:11:12
Speaker 1: Dame uses it as kind of their calling card and
1:11:15
Speaker 1: their ability to be a you know, a standalone type thing.
1:11:19
Speaker 1: I don't need a conference and other conferences would be
1:11:22
Speaker 1: happy to have Notre Dame. Notre Dame is checking a
1:11:25
Speaker 1: few more of those boxes despite the fact that they're
1:11:27
Speaker 1: a religious institution. But I find it comical, is probably
1:11:35
Speaker 1: a bit too dismissive. I find it ironic that BYU
1:11:40
Speaker 1: is starting to enter the chat so to speak. On Hey, well,
1:11:45
Speaker 1: we need to be in the big ten two and
1:11:49
Speaker 1: there's probably a bunch of people who think you can
1:11:51
Speaker 1: speak this into existence. The only people who can speak
1:11:54
Speaker 1: it into existence live in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Maybe in Bloomington, Indiana.
1:12:03
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if they're powerful enough yet live in Columbus, Ohio.
1:12:06
Speaker 1: Those are the people that can speak stuff like this
1:12:09
Speaker 1: into existence. All right, I wish you were true in
1:12:12
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. I guess by extension, I wish it
1:12:15
Speaker 1: were true in Provo. Now. Actually, I should probably be
1:12:20
Speaker 1: careful about how I phrased this, but I think there's
1:12:23
Speaker 1: a certain group of individuals in Salt Lake City who
1:12:27
Speaker 1: might be able to speak it into existence. For BYU,
1:12:33
Speaker 1: if church leadership decided that this was a place that
1:12:35
Speaker 1: would serve the university and save me the text messages.
1:12:40
Speaker 1: I already know the seven of you are going to
1:12:42
Speaker 1: scream at me about the fact that the leaders of
1:12:46
Speaker 1: the church don't care enough about football to actually weigh
1:12:50
Speaker 1: in on that, to spend their time on that. And
1:12:52
Speaker 1: guess what, you're wrong. You're wrong. It's not their number
1:12:57
Speaker 1: one priority. It's not even their number five, one hundred priority.
1:13:00
Speaker 1: But it is something that is a line item on
1:13:03
Speaker 1: their list of things to worry about what's going on
1:13:05
Speaker 1: with BYU and with BYU athletics. Ellen. By the way,
1:13:08
Speaker 1: they're all fans as well, right, I know this, Okay,
1:13:14
Speaker 1: it's not it's it's factually inaccurate to say that leaders
1:13:18
Speaker 1: of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints
1:13:22
Speaker 1: does not that leadership does not care about BYU sports
1:13:26
Speaker 1: and would not make decisions or influence decisions of BOU sports.
1:13:29
Speaker 1: So don't text me that because it's untrue, and you
1:13:32
Speaker 1: and I both know it is. That is a group
1:13:35
Speaker 1: that could potentially help BYU in these efforts, but I don't.
1:13:40
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced that there's anything even remotely close to
1:13:45
Speaker 1: this happening. And I'm not convinced on the Utah side
1:13:48
Speaker 1: either of how far down the road any of these
1:13:50
Speaker 1: conversations have gotten to this point. Will they be serious
1:13:54
Speaker 1: at some point? Yes? You know why, because the Big
1:13:57
Speaker 1: ten is going to have American auditions when it comes
1:14:02
Speaker 1: down to like, hey, guys, we tried to work this
1:14:06
Speaker 1: thing out with Congress. It's not going our way. We
1:14:09
Speaker 1: tried to get everyone to get on the same page
1:14:12
Speaker 1: and you know, figure out a revenue share plan that
1:14:14
Speaker 1: made sense for everyone. It's just not working. So what
1:14:17
Speaker 1: we're gonna do here is we're going to create the
1:14:20
Speaker 1: sec big Big Ten. We're gonna invite ten more teams.
1:14:25
Speaker 1: All right, give me your best song when that happens.
1:14:32
Speaker 1: Utah will have already tried to lay the groundwork to
1:14:35
Speaker 1: get themselves to the front of the line. BYU, I
1:14:37
Speaker 1: think we'll try to do the same thing, or we'll
1:14:39
Speaker 1: have already done the same thing. Colorado will have done
1:14:44
Speaker 1: the same thing. Right, every school in Texas that's not
1:14:49
Speaker 1: already there will have tried to do the same thing.
1:14:52
Speaker 1: SMU will come running from the back. Like we said,
1:14:55
Speaker 1: we have more money. We'll buy our way into this
1:14:57
Speaker 1: conference too.
1:14:58
Speaker 4: Right.
1:14:59
Speaker 1: Miami probably doesn't even have to audition. They're going to
1:15:02
Speaker 1: be brought to the table. North Carolina same thing.
1:15:05
Speaker 4: Right.
1:15:06
Speaker 1: So now go to the message board that you like
1:15:12
Speaker 1: and join the conversation of why your school is talking
1:15:16
Speaker 1: to the Big ten but your rival is not. Because
1:15:18
Speaker 1: that's where we're at. And BYU and Utah you both
1:15:22
Speaker 1: want to be in the Big Ten. You're not there yet.
1:15:26
Speaker 1: It's a Big twelve football season coming and we're going
1:15:29
Speaker 1: to be diving in on all of it. But yeah,
1:15:33
Speaker 1: the media, the social media rumor has now crossed over
1:15:38
Speaker 1: the threshold into the fringe media space where people are
1:15:43
Speaker 1: willing to publish this on their random obscure website. They
1:15:48
Speaker 1: put it on km E t I guess is a
1:15:51
Speaker 1: place up in Spokane, Washington reported on this on their website.
1:15:55
Speaker 1: So that's your latest BYU to the big ten question
1:15:59
Speaker 1: mark question mark. Let's uh, let's freak out about this
1:16:02
Speaker 1: for the next six months to no avail, shall we?
1:16:04
Speaker 4: Yeah?
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1:18:32
Speaker 1: time of year. You're getting guys reacting to their Madden ratings.
1:18:38
Speaker 1: You're getting guys reacting to the list of the top
1:18:41
Speaker 1: one hundred players in the NFL. They released that ten
1:18:44
Speaker 1: players at a time. Some people think you're too high,
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Speaker 1: too low, whatever. I actually wanted to talk about the
1:18:53
Speaker 1: Utah football players we had at Big twelve media days
1:18:56
Speaker 1: last week about their NCAA. I guess it's twenty seven.
1:18:59
Speaker 1: Is that the game that's own right now? The NAA
1:19:01
Speaker 1: twenty seven ratings. I think the highest rated guy was
1:19:06
Speaker 1: in eighty nine on the team. I think Devin Dampier
1:19:10
Speaker 1: had an eighty nine so and everyone else was like that.
1:19:15
Speaker 1: All the other best players on the team were somewhere
1:19:17
Speaker 1: in the eighties. Takes me back to the day. Picture this.
1:19:24
Speaker 1: You're You're in a dingy apartment on thirteenth Feast Kitty
1:19:28
Speaker 1: corner from rice Eco Stadium. It smells vaguely of Totino's
1:19:35
Speaker 1: party pizzas and on a very modest flat screen TV,
1:19:43
Speaker 1: a PlayStation two is plugged in on Dynasty mode. The
1:19:48
Speaker 1: create a player team that I have loaded up with
1:19:52
Speaker 1: ninety nine. Everything's is demolishing Baylor or some random school
1:20:00
Speaker 1: while I rush for four hundred and eighty nine yards
1:20:02
Speaker 1: a game and six touchdowns. Those were the days of
1:20:07
Speaker 1: college PlayStation games. Now my understanding is I haven't played
1:20:13
Speaker 1: in many years.
1:20:14
Speaker 5: Now.
1:20:14
Speaker 1: Inta football is like they try to make it so
1:20:16
Speaker 1: real that your team actually turns the ball over. Now,
1:20:19
Speaker 1: you can't just blow everyone out instantaneously, at least when
1:20:22
Speaker 1: when you're not on like Varsity mode or whatever. There's
1:20:25
Speaker 1: actually a challenge from the computer these days. Back in
1:20:28
Speaker 1: my day, kids, you could run a Heisman campaign, a
1:20:32
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year campaign. You could build a team
1:20:36
Speaker 1: that was in the dumps all the way up to
1:20:37
Speaker 1: a national championship contender in one season on dynasty mode.
1:20:42
Speaker 1: You don't know how good we had it.
1:20:43
Speaker 3: I mean I still play Madden in college football to
1:20:46
Speaker 3: this day, and like I'll do like a franchise mode
1:20:47
Speaker 3: of Madden and like just trying to trade for like
1:20:50
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase or I don't know, like a Cameron Curl
1:20:54
Speaker 3: for death. Like yeah. And also I got those rings
1:20:58
Speaker 3: pulled up for the players.
1:21:00
Speaker 1: Okay, I pull them, so give me the It's like
1:21:03
Speaker 1: just the top guys, right, It's like the top five
1:21:05
Speaker 1: or six or eight.
1:21:06
Speaker 3: I got all of them.
1:21:07
Speaker 1: You have everyone. Oh my god, this is.
1:21:10
Speaker 3: A nice This is a nice part about EA Sports
1:21:12
Speaker 3: is that they post everything.
1:21:13
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, sack see this is this is like
1:21:16
Speaker 1: a gen z ability to like I I would just
1:21:19
Speaker 1: be like googling who ratted Utah player? You go directly
1:21:23
Speaker 1: to EA Sports NCAA two seven rankings. All right, give
1:21:28
Speaker 1: me the give me the top guys.
1:21:30
Speaker 3: So Dan Peter's in eighty nine, okay, way, Shaun Parker's
1:21:33
Speaker 3: in eighty six. Okay, Brandon Pagan's in eighty five, same
1:21:36
Speaker 3: with Jackson Bennie.
1:21:38
Speaker 1: Wait a second Pagan coming up from Utah State with
1:21:43
Speaker 1: a high rating here eighty five, Okay.
1:21:45
Speaker 4: I like it.
1:21:46
Speaker 3: Same with Benny Scooby is at eighty three.
1:21:49
Speaker 1: Okay.
1:21:51
Speaker 3: Kyrie is at also in eighty three, Creed Wit more
1:21:55
Speaker 3: than eighty two. Larry Simmons is also in eighty two.
1:21:59
Speaker 3: Daniel Brazeny, Lance Holtzklaw is also an eighty and then
1:22:04
Speaker 3: Elijah Reed goes to a seventy nine.
1:22:05
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, yeah, anything in the seventies and down
1:22:08
Speaker 1: is they're just giving you a number to make you
1:22:11
Speaker 1: feel better. So all right, now, where does eighty nine?
1:22:16
Speaker 1: And again this is all so silly, but it's where
1:22:19
Speaker 1: we're at. Okay, where does an eighty nine rank nationally?
1:22:23
Speaker 1: If you're Devin dan Pierre, it's not top ten, it's
1:22:27
Speaker 1: not top twenty, it's not top fifty. You have, I
1:22:34
Speaker 1: mean a bunch of dudes in the nineties. Over one
1:22:38
Speaker 1: hundred guys have a rating of at least in ninety.
1:22:41
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith at Ohio State is the rare ninety nine
1:22:48
Speaker 1: top rated player according to the video game in college football.
1:22:52
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith ninety nine. Carter Smith from Indiana, they're left
1:22:57
Speaker 1: tackle ninety seven. Leonard Moore, the corner from Notre Dame
1:23:02
Speaker 1: ninety seven. Ahmad Hardy and Caden Green are the running
1:23:09
Speaker 1: back and left tackle for Missouri. They're at ninety six.
1:23:13
Speaker 1: Keewan Lacey at Old miss is a ninety six. Malachi Tony,
1:23:17
Speaker 1: the wide receiver from Miami who we saw in the
1:23:19
Speaker 1: National Championship. He's a ninety six. Colin Simmons from the
1:23:25
Speaker 1: SEC's Texas Longhorns is a ninety five. Dante Moore's in
1:23:31
Speaker 1: ninety five. I mean it's there's a bunch of dudes
1:23:34
Speaker 1: with these elevated ratings. The highest rated Big twelve player,
1:23:39
Speaker 1: I'll give you two hundred James Peterson bonus points if
1:23:43
Speaker 1: you cannot look at your list, Zach and you can
1:23:46
Speaker 1: bust out who you think the highest rated Big twelve
1:23:51
Speaker 1: football player is according to EA Sports College Football twenty
1:23:55
Speaker 1: twenty seven.
1:23:58
Speaker 3: You would think it'd be Lake, a Texas Tech player.
1:24:01
Speaker 1: It is a Texas Tech player. Yes, it is one
1:24:07
Speaker 1: of their corners. Bryce Pollock is a ninety three. I
1:24:11
Speaker 1: was gonna me my guess is Bryce Pollock the left
1:24:15
Speaker 1: guard for Cincinnati who we saw down at Big twelve
1:24:18
Speaker 1: media days. And this man is effectively he is the
1:24:23
Speaker 1: size and shape of a refrigerator. He's just a big
1:24:26
Speaker 1: old rectangle of mass. His name's Evan Tengstal he was,
1:24:31
Speaker 1: He's their left guard. He's a ninety three in the game.
1:24:36
Speaker 1: Chadre Hurst, another guard offensive guard, is a ninety three
1:24:43
Speaker 1: from Houston, Texas techs A. J. Holmes Junior, a ninety
1:24:50
Speaker 1: two defensive tackle, the predicted defensive player of the year
1:24:57
Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve Conference. He comes in at a
1:25:00
Speaker 1: ninety two, highest rated in state player. No surprise, here
1:25:08
Speaker 1: is the defending offensive player that you're in the Big
1:25:10
Speaker 1: Twelve Conference. LJ. Martin.
1:25:13
Speaker 2: L J.
1:25:13
Speaker 1: Martin is a ninety two in the game, which I believe.
1:25:18
Speaker 1: Let's see, that's one, two three, top five in the
1:25:25
Speaker 1: Big not only in the Big Twelve. That makes him
1:25:30
Speaker 1: a top five running back according to the list. Huh oh, sorry, nope,
1:25:34
Speaker 1: it doesn't. Makes him the seventh ranked running back on
1:25:37
Speaker 1: the list. So high praise in the video game world,
1:25:42
Speaker 1: which is hilariously important to every player.
1:25:47
Speaker 3: The FETA is a ninety that's a little that's kind
1:25:50
Speaker 3: of a little underrated. Honestly, Alfafita in ninety I think
1:25:55
Speaker 3: should be at least in ninety two.
1:25:56
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see where he ends up. I I'm
1:26:01
Speaker 1: curious to know if Noah Fafita can continue his excellent play,
1:26:06
Speaker 1: if he can continue his production now that like a
1:26:10
Speaker 1: lot of his dudes are gone, you.
1:26:12
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, because Tet's in the league.
1:26:14
Speaker 1: He's been in the league now for a couple of years.
1:26:17
Speaker 1: Like remember how it was all those there was like
1:26:19
Speaker 1: four of them, four or five of them that all
1:26:21
Speaker 1: came from surveyed high school together. Yeah yeah, and the
1:26:25
Speaker 1: offensive ones are gone, yeah except for him. So we'll
1:26:30
Speaker 1: see how it plays out for Arizona. I also think
1:26:32
Speaker 1: Arizona's going to be a really good team this year,
1:26:34
Speaker 1: so I think that's going to serve his purposes quite nicely.
1:26:38
Speaker 3: Did I see this on on Twitter? Is that Arizona
1:26:41
Speaker 3: was handing out Heisman like posters of Fifito or trying
1:26:47
Speaker 3: to promote.
1:26:48
Speaker 1: If if that was happening and I didn't get one,
1:26:50
Speaker 1: I'm very upset.
1:26:51
Speaker 3: I think I saw for a long tweet about it.
1:26:53
Speaker 3: I might be wrong, but I'm just seeing things. I'm
1:26:56
Speaker 3: crazy kind.
1:26:56
Speaker 1: Of awesome to get behind one of your players to
1:26:59
Speaker 1: that stent, even though it is ultimately a fruitless effort
1:27:05
Speaker 1: because Arizona, unless you win well you'd have to make it,
1:27:09
Speaker 1: at the very least to a college football playoff, and
1:27:14
Speaker 1: you'd have to have kind of a weird Heisman class
1:27:18
Speaker 1: like a Lamar Jackson year, where everyone's just like, we're
1:27:21
Speaker 1: okay with decorating someone who's not from a blue blood
1:27:25
Speaker 1: because you're just that much different, Right, Yeah, like that.
1:27:29
Speaker 1: I don't see no Fafita being that. By the way,
1:27:32
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson part of the reason I started on this
1:27:34
Speaker 1: tangent in the first place. Lamar Jackson in the NFL's
1:27:38
Speaker 1: top one hundred Players of the year. You see where
1:27:40
Speaker 1: he was ranked sixty ninth.
1:27:42
Speaker 3: Damn, that's crazy.
1:27:45
Speaker 1: People are jumping off of the Lamar Jackson bandwagon like
1:27:49
Speaker 1: rats from a sin a sinking ship. The belief in
1:27:54
Speaker 1: his ability to win a Super Bowl I think has
1:27:57
Speaker 1: waned and disappeared for a lot of folks. He is
1:28:02
Speaker 1: not a good playoff quarterback. He's not been a good
1:28:04
Speaker 1: playoff quarterback. And ultimately, whether or not playoff wins wins
1:28:09
Speaker 1: in general or Super Bowl wins are a quarterback stat
1:28:12
Speaker 1: is already decided. Like you can be the stat nick
1:28:16
Speaker 1: out there that just hammers home and just pounds the
1:28:19
Speaker 1: table just like no, you can't only judge quarterbacks based
1:28:23
Speaker 1: on this. And I'll listen to you, but it's already
1:28:25
Speaker 1: been decided. We have already made that ruling as a
1:28:28
Speaker 1: sports public that if you want to be a great
1:28:31
Speaker 1: player at the quarterback position, stats are not enough. You
1:28:36
Speaker 1: get to the NFL. Your Heisman trophy means nothing to
1:28:40
Speaker 1: the people that are eventually gonna hate you for not
1:28:43
Speaker 1: living up to that standard in the NFL.
1:28:46
Speaker 3: It's wild. Well, it's like, look at the weapons he
1:28:48
Speaker 3: had too. He has Zay Flowers, he had d Hop,
1:28:50
Speaker 3: he had OBJ at one point. I mean, he had
1:28:53
Speaker 3: he had so many weapons. I mean, Derrick Henry is
1:28:55
Speaker 3: a big pick up for sure, obviously, but you don't
1:29:00
Speaker 3: have a lot around him. And you know, with Jesse
1:29:03
Speaker 3: Mintter taking over his head coach now because John Harbaugh's
1:29:05
Speaker 3: on the Giants, there's could be a whole different perspective
1:29:10
Speaker 3: for Lamar, like a whole new system Brandy perspectives Lamar.
1:29:14
Speaker 3: Maybe that gives them the chance like, Okay, hey, this
1:29:16
Speaker 3: is my chance to you know, improve with a new
1:29:20
Speaker 3: coaching staff, a new playbook. I don't know who they
1:29:23
Speaker 3: hired as they're OCU, but.
1:29:27
Speaker 1: I mean at the end of the day. Your Madden
1:29:29
Speaker 1: rating doesn't matter, but Lamar Jackson getting the the treatment
1:29:36
Speaker 1: of like you're I mean, Lamar Jackson was in the
1:29:43
Speaker 1: top ten last year. If I'm not mistaken, Lamar Jackson
1:29:52
Speaker 1: NFL top one hundred ranking from twenty twenty five. What
1:29:59
Speaker 1: do you think this is gonna spit back?
1:30:02
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say at least ten. He won MVP last year, Denny.
1:30:06
Speaker 1: He was number two, interesting and mar Jackson was the
1:30:12
Speaker 1: second best player. And this year he's number sixty nine
1:30:18
Speaker 1: voted on by his peers. A sixty seven spot drop
1:30:24
Speaker 1: for Lamar Jackson. That's crazy, going from the second best
1:30:29
Speaker 1: player in the eyes of your peers in the NFL
1:30:32
Speaker 1: to the sixty ninth best. If that is not a
1:30:37
Speaker 1: chip on your shoulder, if that is not And again,
1:30:40
Speaker 1: these are completely and utterly meaningless on football Sundays. These
1:30:45
Speaker 1: are actually just made up, manufactured numbers. It is no
1:30:50
Speaker 1: different than if I just you know the best player
1:30:54
Speaker 1: in college football is this year, it's Jackson, Benny, He's
1:30:58
Speaker 1: number one. It's just opinion, you just throw it out.
1:31:02
Speaker 1: It's a compiled opinion of a bunch of NFL players.
1:31:06
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson dropping that far though, is a testament to
1:31:10
Speaker 1: how much winning matters, how much winning four quarterbacks matters,
1:31:14
Speaker 1: and how impatient people are at that next level to
1:31:19
Speaker 1: get the results, no matter how lofty the expectation. They
1:31:22
Speaker 1: want the result to day, They want it now. That
1:31:26
Speaker 1: is incredible and fascinating to me that Lamar Jackson has
1:31:31
Speaker 1: fallen that far.
1:31:33
Speaker 3: Look look like the year that Kayleb Williams and Bo
1:31:36
Speaker 3: Nicks and Drake mayhetd versus their rookie year. I mean,
1:31:39
Speaker 3: look at that. That could also have an impact on
1:31:42
Speaker 3: some of these votings too. It's just other quarterbacks in
1:31:45
Speaker 3: the league that are just playing phenomenal football, and then
1:31:48
Speaker 3: you have Lamar Jackson here who is just you know,
1:31:51
Speaker 3: playing football and trying to win, but he's not really
1:31:54
Speaker 3: trying to win.
1:31:57
Speaker 1: In other news from this weekend, it felt like there
1:31:59
Speaker 1: was a lot of crazy stories that came out of
1:32:01
Speaker 1: this weekend. Bam out of Baio punched Tyler hero I,
1:32:07
Speaker 1: saw that former teammates who apparently got into it down
1:32:12
Speaker 1: in Vegas. All of Vegas, all of the all of
1:32:15
Speaker 1: the NBA is in in Vegas for Summer League at
1:32:19
Speaker 1: the UFC Fights this weekend. There's a bunch of NBA players.
1:32:22
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of w NBA players. Sophie Cunningham was
1:32:25
Speaker 1: a ring girl. Did you see that there's a guest
1:32:27
Speaker 1: ring girl appearance.
1:32:29
Speaker 3: That's super cool. Lebron's gonna announce his team this week.
1:32:38
Speaker 3: Probably well, allegedly.
1:32:42
Speaker 1: We were getting NBA players attacking one another, former teammates
1:32:47
Speaker 1: attacking one another.
1:32:49
Speaker 3: Uh you.
1:32:50
Speaker 1: Donnis Haslam is becoming one of my favorite guys when
1:32:53
Speaker 1: it comes to to talking about the NBA. He's one
1:32:56
Speaker 1: of these dudes. He's like, he's our next Charles Barkley. Okay, right,
1:33:02
Speaker 1: Chuck knows that he's gonna upset some people with the
1:33:05
Speaker 1: things that he says, and he still says them. He
1:33:09
Speaker 1: is out of that world where former athletes do the
1:33:14
Speaker 1: thing where they're just like, I can't be overly critical
1:33:16
Speaker 1: on this guy. Like Troy Aikman is the king of this.
1:33:19
Speaker 1: Trey Aikman will criticize an action, but he will never
1:33:23
Speaker 1: like call out the player and be like you stink
1:33:26
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Or he didn't used to.
1:33:29
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley will just upset everybody. He'll burn every dang
1:33:33
Speaker 1: bridge because he's trying to tell you the truth. EU
1:33:35
Speaker 1: Donna's has them is becoming that guy. He's bad at
1:33:39
Speaker 1: everybody and he'll tell stories that we haven't heard before.
1:33:42
Speaker 1: So Eudonna's has Them waiting on this whole thing. Draymond
1:33:47
Speaker 1: Green got involved in it. Eudonna's Haslam is I mean,
1:33:51
Speaker 1: he's an og. He's a guy who played twenty years
1:33:54
Speaker 1: in the NBA, so he can do these things. So
1:33:58
Speaker 1: if you're trying to get into any sort of NBA
1:34:03
Speaker 1: soap opera from the offseason, go listen to Eudonis Haslam.
1:34:09
Speaker 1: This is another Daily Dumb story that I alluded to
1:34:13
Speaker 1: in our openings in our opening segment that is again
1:34:18
Speaker 1: problematic and my reaction in the moment the flow Balligan
1:34:23
Speaker 1: World Cup soccer US men's national team Star of the
1:34:27
Speaker 1: tournament for the US men's national team. While Pulistic and
1:34:31
Speaker 1: everybody else underperformed, flow Baaligan kind of rose to the occasion,
1:34:35
Speaker 1: looked awesome, had England fans questioning why he was on
1:34:38
Speaker 1: the US roster instead of the England roster. I mean,
1:34:40
Speaker 1: all this good stuff right, gets the unjust red card
1:34:44
Speaker 1: and then the suspension that comes with a red card.
1:34:49
Speaker 1: The one game lockout is pushedback and it became in
1:34:56
Speaker 1: that moment of the tournament, became the biggest story of
1:34:59
Speaker 1: the tournament domestically certainly, but also overseas. It was a massive,
1:35:03
Speaker 1: massive deal. Other teams calling out the USA, calling out FIFA,
1:35:10
Speaker 1: calling out the White House for meddling and corruption and
1:35:14
Speaker 1: all these kinds of things. Well, I don't know. I'm
1:35:19
Speaker 1: not gonna lie to you. I don't know what the
1:35:21
Speaker 1: disciplinary committee is in FIFA. Do you know, Zach, off
1:35:26
Speaker 1: the top of your end, how many people are on
1:35:27
Speaker 1: the FIFA Disciplinary Committee? I actually do not know. Nobody
1:35:33
Speaker 1: does off the top of their head. It's an unfair question.
1:35:35
Speaker 1: I did it to you on purpose. The answer is eighteen, okay,
1:35:40
Speaker 1: eighteen people on the FIFA Disciplinary Committee. How many of
1:35:46
Speaker 1: those people do you think voted in favor of allowing
1:35:51
Speaker 1: flow Balligan to play and therefore overturning the red card effectively?
1:35:58
Speaker 3: It has to be at least at least ten, at
1:36:01
Speaker 3: least ten, maybe eleven, you would think.
1:36:03
Speaker 1: That, right, Yeah, Well, apparently further investigation has revealed that
1:36:10
Speaker 1: the real answer to that question, how many of the
1:36:12
Speaker 1: eighteen strong FIFA Disciplinary Committee voted in favor of allowing
1:36:18
Speaker 1: flow Balligan to play? Suspending his band, allowing him to
1:36:23
Speaker 1: serve it at a later date, letting him play against Belgium.
1:36:26
Speaker 1: You'd think, oh, that's got to be like a majority
1:36:28
Speaker 1: ruling at the very least. Whoops, one person overturned it.
1:36:35
Speaker 3: Wow, I mean it wasn't a red card though. That's
1:36:38
Speaker 3: the other thing too.
1:36:39
Speaker 1: It well again, it should not have been a red card.
1:36:43
Speaker 1: So I actually kind of on one hand, in a vacuum,
1:36:47
Speaker 1: I applaud the official. I want to make sure I
1:36:51
Speaker 1: get his name from. He is from the United Arab Emirates,
1:36:55
Speaker 1: So an Emirati official was like the one person that said,
1:36:59
Speaker 1: all right, I'm I'm overturning this. I'm suspending the suspension.
1:37:04
Speaker 1: I'm letting him push this off. On one hand, I
1:37:10
Speaker 1: applaud that because it's like, I don't need a bunch
1:37:12
Speaker 1: of you to vote and agree with me. I don't
1:37:13
Speaker 1: need a discussion. If I have the power to do this,
1:37:16
Speaker 1: I'm gonna overturn this. But you gotta zoom out. If
1:37:20
Speaker 1: you're American sports fan, we're really bad at this, right.
1:37:25
Speaker 1: How's the rest of the world going to see this?
1:37:26
Speaker 1: Most of the time, we don't care. In a FIFA
1:37:28
Speaker 1: World Cup, we kind of have to care because you know,
1:37:32
Speaker 1: it's the World Cup, even one that we are hosting
1:37:36
Speaker 1: in North America with the help of Mexico and Canada,
1:37:39
Speaker 1: although Mexico and Canada are done now hosting right the
1:37:43
Speaker 1: rest of the games are in the United States. There's
1:37:45
Speaker 1: only three more games, yeah, four more games.
1:37:47
Speaker 3: I guess a third place game on Saturday, the third
1:37:49
Speaker 3: place game.
1:37:50
Speaker 9: Yeah.
1:37:50
Speaker 1: So there's four more games and they're all in the
1:37:52
Speaker 1: United States. Anyway. On one hand, I'm just like, okay, like, yeah,
1:37:57
Speaker 1: if you get if you if I wrong, and I
1:38:02
Speaker 1: want to right that wrong, I don't need a committee
1:38:06
Speaker 1: to tell me I'm in the I'm making the correct
1:38:08
Speaker 1: decision if it's an obvious thing. However, this is the
1:38:12
Speaker 1: FIFA World Cup, and you know that there are gonna
1:38:14
Speaker 1: be opinions on this. So I probably would have liked
1:38:17
Speaker 1: it better if I am, you know, the head of FIFA,
1:38:22
Speaker 1: if I'm a member institution in the FIFA of football
1:38:26
Speaker 1: associations that gathered football associations that make up FIFA, I
1:38:31
Speaker 1: probably would have appreciated if they at least went for
1:38:34
Speaker 1: some kind of consensus instead. One guy was just like,
1:38:44
Speaker 1: now baligant can play. Shouldn't have been a red card
1:38:50
Speaker 1: and look he he stepped on someone's achilles. Mohammed al
1:38:55
Speaker 1: Kamani said, I am the chairman of the FIFA Disciplinary Committee.
1:39:00
Speaker 1: I am unilaterally overturning the red card suspension for flow Balligan,
1:39:05
Speaker 1: and I am lifting his band so he can play
1:39:08
Speaker 1: against Belgium. Ultimately ended up being not what the US needed,
1:39:15
Speaker 1: not enough for the US. Maybe more of a distraction
1:39:18
Speaker 1: than a help. I don't know. At the end of
1:39:21
Speaker 1: the day, it did not change the result of that
1:39:23
Speaker 1: game the way that we hoped it would change the
1:39:25
Speaker 1: result of that game. But that is a controversy. That
1:39:29
Speaker 1: is a flex that is a it's exercising unilateral power
1:39:37
Speaker 1: when you are at the top of a committee. It
1:39:39
Speaker 1: is an executive order. This is which, by the way,
1:39:42
Speaker 1: is a thing that bothers people about this whole deal
1:39:45
Speaker 1: in the first place. Yeah, because they were like, well, yeah,
1:39:49
Speaker 1: the most powerful man on earth apparently made a phone
1:39:51
Speaker 1: call to perhaps the most powerful man in sports, and
1:39:55
Speaker 1: then he talked to another top ten most powerful man
1:39:58
Speaker 1: as the chairman of the of the Disciplinary Committee for FIFA,
1:40:02
Speaker 1: and so like, the chain of command, according to the reports,
1:40:07
Speaker 1: was kind of like, yeah, these three people just made
1:40:11
Speaker 1: this decision and kind of everyone else's thoughts on it,
1:40:14
Speaker 1: be damned well.
1:40:16
Speaker 3: And there's also regulations that FIFA has in place for
1:40:22
Speaker 3: these types of situations, and you know, it makes me
1:40:25
Speaker 3: think of, you know, in questions of you know what
1:40:30
Speaker 3: the Women's World Cup next year, which is going to
1:40:32
Speaker 3: be played in Rio de jan Aro, is that how's
1:40:35
Speaker 3: the vaar going to be different? Right? How's the vare
1:40:38
Speaker 3: going to impact the game play, the play of the
1:40:41
Speaker 3: women's side of the World Cup. And I kind of
1:40:44
Speaker 3: thought about this when you were like interviewing with Jay
1:40:47
Speaker 3: and it's like, how much of an impact that we
1:40:51
Speaker 3: see with VAAR with this World Cup will transition into
1:40:55
Speaker 3: next year's Women's World Cup, right, because there's been so
1:40:59
Speaker 3: many conversy calls with Argentina. There's been the controversy call
1:41:03
Speaker 3: with flow Baligan and you know Argentina twice times two
1:41:09
Speaker 3: and you know, and even the England and Norway game
1:41:12
Speaker 3: with Holland supposedly shoving which he kind of did shove,
1:41:16
Speaker 3: but also the English player was also pretty off balance.
1:41:21
Speaker 3: But it just kind of makes me wonder, is how's
1:41:24
Speaker 3: va are going to impact the World Cup next year
1:41:25
Speaker 3: with the women's side.
1:41:27
Speaker 1: Well, I imagine it will be just as controversial. I
1:41:34
Speaker 1: think the emotional investment, and again I'm a fan of
1:41:39
Speaker 1: women's sports, the emotional investment internationally in the women's World
1:41:44
Speaker 1: Cup will be different than in the men's World Cup
1:41:46
Speaker 1: just because of how things are. So the reaction to
1:41:52
Speaker 1: even like controversies like this will be interesting to see.
1:41:55
Speaker 3: But absolutely, I mean in US is I think number
1:41:58
Speaker 3: two in FIFA rankings, and I think Spain is number
1:42:01
Speaker 3: one for the women's side, I believe, which is gonna
1:42:05
Speaker 3: be cool. And then they have a friendly to Spain
1:42:06
Speaker 3: in October. That'll be a really good game as well.
1:42:11
Speaker 1: All right, So Muhammad al Kamali is the the man
1:42:19
Speaker 1: who waves the wand and says no, we don't need
1:42:22
Speaker 1: to worry about that. If I am a FIFA nation,
1:42:27
Speaker 1: I am now. And I don't know how long an
1:42:29
Speaker 1: appointment lasts for head of the Disciplinary Committee. Don't know
1:42:32
Speaker 1: if it's like a college football playoff selection where you've
1:42:35
Speaker 1: got three years and they rotate you out. It's like
1:42:38
Speaker 1: being bishop in your local wards where they're just you,
1:42:42
Speaker 1: you're called and then they dismiss you. I don't know.
1:42:45
Speaker 1: This one is another one. I'm again golf is not
1:42:49
Speaker 1: necessarily my number one thing here. A lot of my
1:42:54
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Speaker 1: Seventy eight events in a row he had made the cut.
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Speaker 1: it's The Sean O'Connell Show, heading into hour three on
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Speaker 5: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
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1:47:20
Speaker 1: Welcome to our number three on the show O'Connell Show.
1:47:23
Speaker 1: Roxy Bernstein are good friend, jack of all trades and
1:47:27
Speaker 1: somehow miraculously a master of every single one. You can
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Speaker 1: hear him on ESPN, ESPN Radio, Serious XM, on the
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Speaker 1: game back in the Bay Area. Sometimes he's a Heisman voter.
1:47:39
Speaker 1: He's my good friend, Roxy. Welcome back to the show.
1:47:42
Speaker 1: How are you, sir?
1:47:44
Speaker 4: Oh see what's up? Buddy man?
1:47:46
Speaker 1: There's so much to talk about, and I do this
1:47:49
Speaker 1: to you all the time, because I'm fascinated by your
1:47:52
Speaker 1: bandwidth to cover sports. Right, it's baseball season, so I
1:47:55
Speaker 1: know you're dialed in on baseball football seasons. Right around
1:47:58
Speaker 1: the corner, hockey has a bunch of fun offseason storylines,
1:48:03
Speaker 1: and of course, the World Cup splashes itself down, which
1:48:07
Speaker 1: I know has at least some of your attention. So
1:48:10
Speaker 1: let's start there. The World Cup. Was you were able
1:48:13
Speaker 1: to give how much energy time viewing to this World Cup?
1:48:18
Speaker 4: I've watched a good chunk of it.
1:48:19
Speaker 2: It's certainly look as I'm not going to claim to
1:48:23
Speaker 2: be the biggest soccer aficionado, but I do enjoy the game,
1:48:26
Speaker 2: and certainly when the World Cup is front and center.
1:48:30
Speaker 2: So I've been dialed in pretty consistently. Got swept up
1:48:34
Speaker 2: in the American run, of course, but you know, pay
1:48:36
Speaker 2: attention like with Quantaman, England and Argentina and so these
1:48:42
Speaker 2: look France to me has been the best team.
1:48:44
Speaker 4: But then again, that's why you play the games, right,
1:48:48
Speaker 4: it is.
1:48:48
Speaker 1: Why you play. For me, It's been awesome to watch.
1:48:52
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated because we have this relationship with instant replay,
1:48:56
Speaker 1: or as they like to call it in soccer vaar.
1:48:58
Speaker 1: We have this relationship in all sports about like, well,
1:49:02
Speaker 1: we want it, but we also don't want it to
1:49:04
Speaker 1: mess with the tradition of our game. We want it
1:49:07
Speaker 1: to be more accurate, but we don't want it to
1:49:08
Speaker 1: take too much time. We don't want to rewind so
1:49:12
Speaker 1: far that we're taking away an Egypt goal that you
1:49:14
Speaker 1: know that play started at the other end of the field.
1:49:17
Speaker 1: Why didn't we take away an England goal when it
1:49:19
Speaker 1: hit the guidewire? Like the balance of instant replay in
1:49:24
Speaker 1: this FIFA World Cup, and more importantly for your purposes
1:49:27
Speaker 1: and my purposes in American sports, are we at the
1:49:31
Speaker 1: right inflection point balance wise in your mind?
1:49:35
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think soccer will ever be or you know,
1:49:38
Speaker 2: the world calls it football, we called soccer.
1:49:40
Speaker 4: Will ever be at the paramount.
1:49:42
Speaker 2: Of our sports culture. I think it's going to run
1:49:45
Speaker 2: a distant fourth fifth, how you want to look at it.
1:49:50
Speaker 2: NFL clearly is established itself as number one.
1:49:54
Speaker 4: You have the NBA, you have Major League Baseball, and
1:49:56
Speaker 4: the NHL with the.
1:49:57
Speaker 2: Ratings spike that they've had this year. But every four years,
1:50:01
Speaker 2: I think everybody gets swept up in the emotion of
1:50:03
Speaker 2: the World Cup, especially when we're in it, unlike when
1:50:06
Speaker 2: you know the last time we were in in it.
1:50:08
Speaker 2: But I just think that for this month, month and
1:50:12
Speaker 2: a half that the World Cup goes on, we consume it,
1:50:16
Speaker 2: but it's still going to run further behind the other
1:50:20
Speaker 2: sports here in the States. I mean, everybody look around
1:50:24
Speaker 2: the world, sends more than likely they're best athletes to
1:50:27
Speaker 2: play soccer.
1:50:29
Speaker 4: We don't, like our best athletes go to the NBA,
1:50:32
Speaker 4: or they go.
1:50:32
Speaker 2: To the NFL. They're not playing soccer. Or they might
1:50:36
Speaker 2: play it, but that's not the profession.
1:50:38
Speaker 4: They're going to go down.
1:50:39
Speaker 2: And take nothing away from this US men's national team
1:50:42
Speaker 2: because I think they're a dynamic team to watch and
1:50:45
Speaker 2: Christian Polistic is probably the best player in the history
1:50:49
Speaker 2: of American soccer. But we're still running behind other countries
1:50:54
Speaker 2: because they're top athletes go into the sport and our
1:50:56
Speaker 2: top athletes don't.
1:51:00
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend too much time on soccer
1:51:02
Speaker 1: because I know you're deep in baseball mode. But like
1:51:07
Speaker 1: what's going on with the Oakland Athletics right now, used
1:51:10
Speaker 1: to be Oakland Athletics, soon to be Less Vegas Athletics,
1:51:13
Speaker 1: currently Sacramento Athletics. The homeless athletics, whatever you want to
1:51:16
Speaker 1: call them. I mean, look, we've all seen Moneyball celebrating,
1:51:21
Speaker 1: you know, double digit twenty plus win streak, and now
1:51:24
Speaker 1: it's nine in a row that they've dropped. What's happening
1:51:27
Speaker 1: with the athletics.
1:51:30
Speaker 2: They're just not a very good team, Sean. Now, they
1:51:33
Speaker 2: have a significant amount of injuries, key guys that are hurt,
1:51:37
Speaker 2: but they don't have the ability to overcome those injuries
1:51:43
Speaker 2: like some teams do. For example, like everybody's complaining about injuries,
1:51:48
Speaker 2: and everybody has them, even the Dodgers have them. But
1:51:51
Speaker 2: the Dodgers have the financial backup to be able to
1:51:54
Speaker 2: overcome the injuries, right, Okay, if somebody is out, well
1:51:58
Speaker 2: they just plug somebody else in. And as dominant as
1:52:01
Speaker 2: they've been here in the first half, but the Dodgers
1:52:03
Speaker 2: are the best record in baseball. And that's done without
1:52:07
Speaker 2: Blake Snell, without Tyler and Slash. Now they're just plugging
1:52:10
Speaker 2: and playing some other guys in the rotation. They haven't
1:52:12
Speaker 2: had Evan Phillips. The Dodgers are a scary team because
1:52:16
Speaker 2: they haven't hit their stride. They're going to hit it
1:52:18
Speaker 2: at some point. But the as for example, they have
1:52:22
Speaker 2: been trying to piece it together with minor League three
1:52:25
Speaker 2: agents and going the cheap route.
1:52:27
Speaker 4: I think they're trying.
1:52:28
Speaker 2: To build towards Vegas and they don't want to win
1:52:31
Speaker 2: until they are there. I'm not saying they don't want
1:52:35
Speaker 2: to win, but they're not necessarily pushing all their chips
1:52:37
Speaker 2: in to win now. They're trying to slow play it
1:52:40
Speaker 2: so when they hit Vegas they're going to have that
1:52:42
Speaker 2: momentum and be able to compete right away. And this
1:52:46
Speaker 2: recent stretch, look, they're pitching has been bad. They've they've
1:52:49
Speaker 2: fired their pitching coach, Todave Scott Emerson, who to me,
1:52:52
Speaker 2: Sean that was a scapegoat. He's just a casualty of
1:52:55
Speaker 2: what's going on. It's not his fault. The injuries have
1:52:59
Speaker 2: caught up with a four pitching staff that they assembled,
1:53:01
Speaker 2: and that's why they're where they're at. And the crazy
1:53:04
Speaker 2: thing is as bad as it's been, they're only eight
1:53:07
Speaker 2: games out of the American League West. That goes to
1:53:09
Speaker 2: show you how mediocre that division has been.
1:53:12
Speaker 3: Wow.
1:53:13
Speaker 1: Uh, the the A's out there for everyone who's listening.
1:53:18
Speaker 1: They're they're run differential. The minus one oh six they've
1:53:24
Speaker 1: given up five hundred and twenty eight runs and scored
1:53:27
Speaker 1: four hundred and twenty two on the year.
1:53:29
Speaker 5: So far.
1:53:30
Speaker 1: Uh, not ideal there, Rocky.
1:53:33
Speaker 2: It's the worst in dash ball sean, So yeah, non
1:53:35
Speaker 2: ideal is probably the right way to go. Considering the
1:53:40
Speaker 2: other end of the spectrum we were just talking about
1:53:41
Speaker 2: the Dodgers. They're plus minus in terms of runs is
1:53:45
Speaker 2: like one p fifty on the other end, and they
1:53:47
Speaker 2: just lost three straight.
1:53:48
Speaker 4: They were swept by the Diamondbacks over the weekend.
1:53:51
Speaker 2: That goes to show you how drastic that that difference is. Look,
1:53:54
Speaker 2: they've won some competitive games and they were in the
1:53:58
Speaker 2: race for a little while. But in a baseball season,
1:54:01
Speaker 2: the law of averages will catch up to you, and
1:54:03
Speaker 2: unfortunately it's caught.
1:54:05
Speaker 4: Up with them.
1:54:05
Speaker 2: The Padres are another team that's caught up with because
1:54:07
Speaker 2: they got off to a great start. They were neck
1:54:09
Speaker 2: and neck with the Dodgers until the end of May,
1:54:12
Speaker 2: and since then, the Dodgers have had the best record
1:54:15
Speaker 2: in baseball. The Padres have been right near the bottom.
1:54:17
Speaker 2: And now San Diego all of a sudden, is twelve
1:54:20
Speaker 2: and a half games out with a negative run differential,
1:54:23
Speaker 2: and even though there are two games over or they're
1:54:26
Speaker 2: right at five hundreds.
1:54:28
Speaker 1: Roxy Burdensteach is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show,
1:54:30
Speaker 1: Talk at All Sports. We're on baseball right now and
1:54:33
Speaker 1: we do this. It feels like with every different league's
1:54:37
Speaker 1: All Star break, you know, evaluate whether or not a
1:54:40
Speaker 1: four nations is written necessary for the NHL. What can
1:54:44
Speaker 1: the NBA do to kind of bring the All Star
1:54:46
Speaker 1: Game mystique back? And it feels like they've got some
1:54:49
Speaker 1: traction there. What about baseball? How do you feel about
1:54:52
Speaker 1: you know, All Star Break, All Star Game, Home run Derby?
1:54:56
Speaker 1: As a baseball guy, does this stuff still have juice
1:54:59
Speaker 1: for you?
1:55:01
Speaker 4: It does.
1:55:02
Speaker 2: The cool thing to me in the All Star Game
1:55:04
Speaker 2: is seeing all the different uniforms, right remember when they
1:55:07
Speaker 2: tried to make everybody wear the same uniform and it
1:55:10
Speaker 2: just backfired.
1:55:11
Speaker 4: Was brutal. You like to see it Like I was
1:55:13
Speaker 4: a kid.
1:55:14
Speaker 2: I was looking forward growing up in the Bay Area
1:55:16
Speaker 2: seeing you know, a Giant wear his uniform at the
1:55:19
Speaker 2: All Star Game and an AS player do the same thing.
1:55:22
Speaker 2: That's what I think is unique about the All Star
1:55:25
Speaker 2: Game is they wear their respective jerseys from their teams
1:55:28
Speaker 2: and it's the only All Star game that still does that,
1:55:32
Speaker 2: and I think that's cool. They tried messing with the
1:55:35
Speaker 2: home run derby to make it more exciting. We'll see
1:55:38
Speaker 2: if this new model they're using this year will help,
1:55:42
Speaker 2: and it certainly I think attracts viewers when Schwarber and.
1:55:45
Speaker 4: Harper are going to do the home run derby and.
1:55:48
Speaker 2: A lot of this big stars in the past have
1:55:50
Speaker 2: been reluctant about competing, but I think that it's still
1:55:56
Speaker 2: an exhibition and you can't force these guys go, and
1:56:00
Speaker 2: some players are opting out, which is unfortunate, but I
1:56:04
Speaker 2: think it's still an attractive game to watch. The Midsummer
1:56:08
Speaker 2: Classic for example, Okay, Justin Berlander is going to pitch
1:56:11
Speaker 2: and this is his last season. You get to see
1:56:14
Speaker 2: him in the All Star Game. Bryce Harper is going
1:56:17
Speaker 2: as well, So there are draws to watch this game,
1:56:21
Speaker 2: But keep in mind it's still an exhibition. I know
1:56:24
Speaker 2: when they tried, oh it counts now and they try
1:56:26
Speaker 2: to determine home field advantage of the World Series, it
1:56:29
Speaker 2: just doesn't work. I think you have to treat it
1:56:31
Speaker 2: for what it is, and we will as an exhibition
1:56:33
Speaker 2: and it'll be entertaining to watch, all.
1:56:36
Speaker 1: Right, Jumping around a little bit. And again forgive me
1:56:39
Speaker 1: because you're one of the only people I can have
1:56:41
Speaker 1: on as a guest that could talk everything with you know,
1:56:44
Speaker 1: equal expertise and acumen. How mad is the NHL right
1:56:48
Speaker 1: now at the Philadelphia of Flyers for trying to reset
1:56:52
Speaker 1: the market at eighteen million dollars per year for top
1:56:56
Speaker 1: players with their their offer sheet, Carlson, I mean, this
1:57:01
Speaker 1: is wild. And you see some of the reaction from
1:57:04
Speaker 1: around the league and in Salt Lake City there was
1:57:07
Speaker 1: one of relief. They're like, holy cow, if this is
1:57:09
Speaker 1: what's happening now with these top you know, young scorers.
1:57:13
Speaker 1: Aren't we glad that you got Koley and Gunther and
1:57:16
Speaker 1: Schmolt and all these guys in Keller locked up relatively
1:57:19
Speaker 1: long term because it's going to get a lot more
1:57:21
Speaker 1: expensive to do business in the NHL if this is
1:57:24
Speaker 1: what agents and players.
1:57:26
Speaker 2: Want, and it's looking like a relative bargain, right that
1:57:30
Speaker 2: the money that the man's got Kooley and Keller and
1:57:35
Speaker 2: all those gun Th and those deals locked up for
1:57:38
Speaker 2: It's almost like Bill Armstrong knew what was coming and
1:57:41
Speaker 2: he jumped in front of it before this surge is happening.
1:57:45
Speaker 2: And I think everybody's eyes just popped out of their
1:57:49
Speaker 2: head when they saw that the flyers in the offer
1:57:52
Speaker 2: sheet they gave to Leo Carlson, and you knew Anaheim
1:57:55
Speaker 2: was going.
1:57:55
Speaker 4: To match Sean.
1:57:56
Speaker 2: They couldn't let a young budding superstar center go even
1:58:00
Speaker 2: though the money is crazy. But I guarantee you if,
1:58:03
Speaker 2: for example, Mike Greer and San Jose all of a
1:58:05
Speaker 2: sudden going, oh oh, I better get this deal done
1:58:07
Speaker 2: for Macklin Celebrina now right, and Davidson in Chicago with
1:58:11
Speaker 2: badar like, they got to get these deals done so
1:58:15
Speaker 2: that doesn't happen to them. Now.
1:58:17
Speaker 4: Look if he if the Ducks.
1:58:19
Speaker 2: Had not maxed and they would retrieve the four first
1:58:23
Speaker 2: round picks, okay, great, but you're not going to let
1:58:26
Speaker 2: a player of that caliber go. And with the cap
1:58:29
Speaker 2: going up, it certainly is going to command more money
1:58:32
Speaker 2: for those big.
1:58:33
Speaker 4: Time stars and the restricted freeation. It made a.
1:58:37
Speaker 2: Challenging because by the rules, you can do that, and
1:58:41
Speaker 2: Philly did it, and now that kind of hamstrings Pat
1:58:44
Speaker 2: verbecon what the Ducks can do, and these got to
1:58:46
Speaker 2: adjustice roster and let some guys go because.
1:58:49
Speaker 4: They have to fit Carlson in underneath the cap.
1:58:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, who who in the West has got somebody like
1:58:55
Speaker 1: a mole in the Flyers front office just like, hey,
1:58:58
Speaker 1: do this because it's gonna even they it's going to
1:59:01
Speaker 1: hamstring the Ducks for a little while and make our
1:59:02
Speaker 1: life that much easier.
1:59:05
Speaker 2: Well, and the Ducks are a team that's clearly on
1:59:07
Speaker 2: the rise when you saw them last year at the
1:59:09
Speaker 2: young defense and the speed and the skill that they
1:59:13
Speaker 2: have right up front, not just Carlson but some of
1:59:16
Speaker 2: the other young emerging stars like Beckett Seneca for example,
1:59:21
Speaker 2: And we saw Cutter Gochier, who uddly enough came from Philadelphia,
1:59:26
Speaker 2: So if you want to draw your own conclusions there,
1:59:29
Speaker 2: But then back on the defensive side, guys like Minchikov
1:59:33
Speaker 2: and Lacomb, this is a team that's clearly on the rise,
1:59:36
Speaker 2: and they were trying to I think cut them off
1:59:39
Speaker 2: of the knees a little bit and have to force
1:59:43
Speaker 2: patri Beak into making tough decisions because you have to
1:59:47
Speaker 2: be judicious about the way you're spending your money. Yes,
1:59:50
Speaker 2: the cap went up, but also means player salaries are
1:59:53
Speaker 2: going up. And that's why I thought Utah was in
1:59:55
Speaker 2: a good spot right because you have these deals locked
1:59:58
Speaker 2: up for good players long term, but it gave Gil
2:00:01
Speaker 2: Armstrong the flexibility to go make those two moves to
2:00:03
Speaker 2: really bolster their front. And I think Utah made a
2:00:07
Speaker 2: significant step forward with the two moves by bringing in
2:00:10
Speaker 2: tro Cheeck and by bringing in Lead.
2:00:12
Speaker 1: Well, that was going to be my next question for you.
2:00:14
Speaker 1: They also retain Barrett Hayton, match an offer sheet on
2:00:17
Speaker 1: him that certainly isn't as hefty as the one that
2:00:21
Speaker 1: Anaheim had to match for Carlson, But you know, the
2:00:23
Speaker 1: vision continues to kind of take shape and we adjust
2:00:28
Speaker 1: our expectations based on that. Trocheck especially is kind of
2:00:32
Speaker 1: like the big name here as the new addition. And
2:00:35
Speaker 1: your thoughts on his fit with the Utah Mammoth, I
2:00:38
Speaker 1: think it's.
2:00:39
Speaker 4: A great pick up.
2:00:40
Speaker 2: And look, you and I have talked about this before.
2:00:42
Speaker 2: At least in my eye, Sean, they needed to get
2:00:44
Speaker 2: some grit, right, they needed to get some sand paper,
2:00:46
Speaker 2: They needed to get some physicality up front, and they
2:00:51
Speaker 2: have so much skill and speed. But that was the
2:00:53
Speaker 2: next step, at least in my eyes, in terms of
2:00:56
Speaker 2: building this thing up for the Utah Mammots by adding
2:01:00
Speaker 2: guys like Lee and Trocheck, you've changed the complexion of
2:01:04
Speaker 2: your front and now you have that stand paper to
2:01:08
Speaker 2: go with the skill. Trocheck is a very skilled player,
2:01:12
Speaker 2: and so is Lee. But they also are those type
2:01:15
Speaker 2: of players.
2:01:15
Speaker 4: That will get their nose dirty.
2:01:17
Speaker 2: They will go to the corners and mix it up,
2:01:19
Speaker 2: and they have the skill to play with it on
2:01:21
Speaker 2: the top two lines. All of a sudden, you look
2:01:23
Speaker 2: down the middle and there is so much strength on
2:01:26
Speaker 2: his team when you have Trocheck right now, let's see
2:01:30
Speaker 2: where Bear decides to play Trocheck. Do you play him
2:01:34
Speaker 2: at center on the second line? Then what do you
2:01:36
Speaker 2: do with Kooley? Where does Schmaltz fit in. It'll be
2:01:40
Speaker 2: an interesting dynamic when they go through camp and figure
2:01:42
Speaker 2: out these line combinations. But they're clearly a better team
2:01:46
Speaker 2: and they're going to be more physical, which is to
2:01:47
Speaker 2: me what they needed to address.
2:01:50
Speaker 1: Roxy Bernstein. For another couple of minutes here on the
2:01:52
Speaker 1: Sean O'Connell show, we just touched on some hockey, and
2:01:55
Speaker 1: of course you can hear and see Roxy Bernstein when
2:01:57
Speaker 1: college football comes rolling around in a little over a month,
2:02:02
Speaker 1: and we were at Big twelve media days last week. Roxy,
2:02:06
Speaker 1: they don't do predictions anymore. They don't take a media
2:02:09
Speaker 1: poll because of a couple of seasons ago Arizona State
2:02:12
Speaker 1: ruining it for everyone by being much better than we thought.
2:02:15
Speaker 1: But you've seen it, you know it's supposed to be
2:02:18
Speaker 1: Texas Tech BYU, maybe Utah Arizona TCU. Who knows in
2:02:24
Speaker 1: the tier behind those two teams, but starting with Texas Tech,
2:02:28
Speaker 1: who is forefront headline maker this offseason for all the
2:02:32
Speaker 1: wrong reasons? What are your thoughts on where they fit
2:02:36
Speaker 1: without Brendan Soresby in an upcoming Big twelve football season?
2:02:41
Speaker 2: Boy, but can actually talk about stuff on the field now,
2:02:43
Speaker 2: isn't that great? Is what's going on off the field
2:02:46
Speaker 2: and soorsby court actions and appeals. And we're about a
2:02:52
Speaker 2: little over a month away from the football season beginning
2:02:55
Speaker 2: and week.
2:02:55
Speaker 4: Zero, which we're excited for.
2:02:57
Speaker 2: But the bigswell race is so wide open, and I
2:03:01
Speaker 2: think source Bee not being available to Texas Tech changes
2:03:05
Speaker 2: the dynamic because a lot of people put them as
2:03:07
Speaker 2: a favorite, and you wouldn't get an argument for me that, okay,
2:03:11
Speaker 2: Texas Tech would be the team to beat. But now
2:03:14
Speaker 2: it's a level playing field. For me, it's pretty balanced.
2:03:18
Speaker 4: When I look at the Big twelve and I.
2:03:21
Speaker 2: Don't know if there's one team I would right now say, okay,
2:03:23
Speaker 2: that's a clear cut favorite.
2:03:25
Speaker 4: Like you pointed out, I.
2:03:26
Speaker 2: Think there's a lot of really good teams that could
2:03:29
Speaker 2: make a charge and make a run, and in Utah
2:03:31
Speaker 2: is one of them for me. But I think this
2:03:34
Speaker 2: race is going to be wide open and a lot
2:03:36
Speaker 2: of it will come down. And I haven't broken down
2:03:38
Speaker 2: the schedule. I'm sure you've looked at it. But who
2:03:40
Speaker 2: do you play? Who are your home games? Who your
2:03:43
Speaker 2: missus that could determine who wins the Big twelve this year?
2:03:47
Speaker 4: And who got the break from the schedule makers.
2:03:48
Speaker 1: You know what, I think you're absolutely right Roxy and
2:03:51
Speaker 1: funny enough, the way that it works out for Texas Tech,
2:03:54
Speaker 1: for BYU, for Utah is they obviously BYU and Utah
2:03:58
Speaker 1: play one another. Neither Utah or BOIU plays Texas Tech,
2:04:03
Speaker 1: and so that means Texas Tech misses at least a
2:04:05
Speaker 1: couple of the good teams in the conference. It feels
2:04:08
Speaker 1: like everyone has to play Arizona. So I think Arizona's
2:04:11
Speaker 1: going to be good. And yeah, I know you have
2:04:14
Speaker 1: some confidence in that coaching staff like they might be
2:04:17
Speaker 1: the team that actually determines who wins the Big Twelve
2:04:19
Speaker 1: conference because they got to play everybody.
2:04:23
Speaker 2: And although but it could hurt them as well, right
2:04:25
Speaker 2: because then week in week out, you're getting those high
2:04:28
Speaker 2: level games, you're not having that breather. I get if
2:04:31
Speaker 2: there's not many breathers in the Big Twelve. And a
2:04:35
Speaker 2: lot about a lot of it is when you're playing
2:04:37
Speaker 2: somebody and how you're playing and to be healthy going
2:04:41
Speaker 2: into games. And for example, Arizona needs to keep the
2:04:44
Speaker 2: quarterback healthy. He is a talented quarterback and he's certainly
2:04:48
Speaker 2: unique because of his size. But if they can keep
2:04:50
Speaker 2: the feet of healthy, that gives them the significant edge.
2:04:54
Speaker 2: And you're right, I'm a big Brent Breadon believer down there,
2:04:57
Speaker 2: and I'm anxesout to see how the Utah program moves.
2:04:59
Speaker 2: For with Morgan, I'm a big Morgan Scallley fan. Also,
2:05:03
Speaker 2: he's been a terrific defensive mind. Now you're moving over
2:05:07
Speaker 2: one office, which is pretty significant, and you've got big
2:05:10
Speaker 2: shoes to fill with coach Witt now at Michigan. But
2:05:14
Speaker 2: I think Morgan's ready for this. He's been ready for
2:05:16
Speaker 2: a while. I believe he's got the pulse in the team.
2:05:19
Speaker 2: I think he can relate to these guys and you
2:05:21
Speaker 2: spent more time around him than I have. But I've
2:05:23
Speaker 2: spent a significant amount.
2:05:25
Speaker 4: Of time around Morgan.
2:05:26
Speaker 2: I'm a huge Morgan Scallley fan, and I think it's
2:05:29
Speaker 2: going to be fun to watch this team grow and
2:05:31
Speaker 2: he grows into that role as the new Utah head coach.
2:05:35
Speaker 1: Anyone who's listened to us talking to one another over
2:05:38
Speaker 1: the years knows you're a proud Cal alum. Cal is
2:05:42
Speaker 1: an interesting team as well this year. I know that's
2:05:44
Speaker 1: not Big twelve football, and they don't the Bears don't
2:05:47
Speaker 1: play BYU or Utah this season, but what are your
2:05:50
Speaker 1: Bears going to be on the football field?
2:05:53
Speaker 4: They're going to be an interesting chic.
2:05:56
Speaker 2: I think wild card pick in the ACC because you
2:05:59
Speaker 2: have a brand new coaching staff as tash Lapoy comes in,
2:06:03
Speaker 2: the former Cal player coming in from Oregon where he
2:06:05
Speaker 2: was the deep c they hit the portal hard. They've
2:06:08
Speaker 2: recruited very well. It's the most talent I've seen on
2:06:11
Speaker 2: a Cal roster in a long time. They also have
2:06:17
Speaker 2: some inexperienced coaching, which also makes you wonder, Okay.
2:06:20
Speaker 4: How's it gonna go?
2:06:22
Speaker 2: And they get UCLA right out of the gate, which
2:06:25
Speaker 2: is significant and a rivalry gained to start the season
2:06:29
Speaker 2: in two schools that really don't like each other. Right now,
2:06:32
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a fun watch. And you have one
2:06:34
Speaker 2: of the elite quarterbacks in the country that's back that
2:06:37
Speaker 2: could have gone anywhere he.
2:06:38
Speaker 4: Wanted to go, but wanted to be a Cal.
2:06:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't think they're a second A Cal didn't take
2:06:43
Speaker 2: care of him. They did, but it's going to be
2:06:46
Speaker 2: an interesting ride because you're in the ATC. I don't
2:06:49
Speaker 2: think the league is all that great. Miami clearly made
2:06:54
Speaker 2: a run last year and Mario Christobal's team will be
2:06:57
Speaker 2: a presence in the ACC. But Cal's got a shot,
2:07:01
Speaker 2: I real really do if this talent fits him to
2:07:02
Speaker 2: have one of the older rosters in the country, that
2:07:05
Speaker 2: if they can make this thing work with all the
2:07:07
Speaker 2: new players, that they can be a factor in the
2:07:10
Speaker 2: ACC race.
2:07:11
Speaker 1: Speaking of Cal, former Cal bear Kadu Lawabe one of
2:07:14
Speaker 1: the biggest offseason acquisitions for BYU in the transfer portal.
2:07:19
Speaker 1: And I know that's a guy he's coming back home
2:07:22
Speaker 1: to Utah he prepped here, But I know that's a
2:07:24
Speaker 1: guy that you watched and probably liked for the Bears
2:07:27
Speaker 1: give the fans here a sense of what he's going
2:07:30
Speaker 1: to be in a Byu uniform.
2:07:33
Speaker 2: His motor just doesn't stop. He goes sideline to sideline.
2:07:37
Speaker 2: He never gives up on a play. He had an
2:07:40
Speaker 2: impact for the first moment he took the field as
2:07:42
Speaker 2: a freshman playing linebacker for Cal and he is going
2:07:46
Speaker 2: to be a tackling machine. He battled through some injuries
2:07:49
Speaker 2: last year and he tried to play through it.
2:07:51
Speaker 4: He had a club on his hand for a while.
2:07:53
Speaker 2: But he's tough, he's physical, and he's got the athleticism
2:07:58
Speaker 2: and you're getting a guy at BYU that has the
2:08:01
Speaker 2: potentially be a first team All Big twelve linebacker. He's
2:08:04
Speaker 2: that good and the production will be there. That's significant
2:08:08
Speaker 2: boosts for Utah and a big question for cow That
2:08:11
Speaker 2: left a big boy. The Golden Bears were clearly trying
2:08:14
Speaker 2: to keep them, but the call to come home and
2:08:16
Speaker 2: wanting to play in front of friends and family and
2:08:19
Speaker 2: go back to Utah and play at BYU was just
2:08:22
Speaker 2: too strong. And it's it's a big loss for Caw
2:08:24
Speaker 2: and a huge get for Kaloni Sataki and Byu.
2:08:27
Speaker 1: Last thing before I let you go, and it's it's
2:08:29
Speaker 1: just silliness, but it's something that for some reason has
2:08:33
Speaker 1: It's a brain worm that I can't get out of
2:08:35
Speaker 1: my head. The twelve, the Big twelve Conference, announced their
2:08:40
Speaker 1: partnership with Monster Energy Drink, and that roxy right there,
2:08:47
Speaker 1: is exactly the problem. That's like it just makes everybody laugh,
2:08:50
Speaker 1: and then you see the terms of the deal and
2:08:51
Speaker 1: it makes you laugh even more. And I appreciate Brett
2:08:55
Speaker 1: your Mark, being the bulldog that he is and trying
2:08:58
Speaker 1: to get revenue every way possible. Stuff, this feels to
2:09:01
Speaker 1: me like kind of an underwhelming deal. It should have
2:09:04
Speaker 1: been worth more to plaster your logo all over the
2:09:08
Speaker 1: field and the jerseys and the Big twelve logo being
2:09:13
Speaker 1: intermixed with it. Now and you're supposed to call Big
2:09:17
Speaker 1: twelve Football season Monster Energy Big twelve Football Season. I mean,
2:09:22
Speaker 1: I get it. We're all for sale and the Big
2:09:24
Speaker 1: twelve is no exception. But what do you make of
2:09:28
Speaker 1: this in the direction we're headed with corporate sponsorships being
2:09:31
Speaker 1: plastered on everything, at least in the Big Twelve.
2:09:34
Speaker 2: For now, it's just a big reminder to everybody that
2:09:38
Speaker 2: college athletics and palace football is big business, right, That's
2:09:43
Speaker 2: what it is who can we sell this, who can
2:09:45
Speaker 2: we generate revenue from And that's.
2:09:48
Speaker 4: What Brett Yormark did.
2:09:50
Speaker 2: And look he experimented with that court, which they had
2:09:52
Speaker 2: to backpedal off of the Big Twelve Basketball tournament last year.
2:09:56
Speaker 2: He clearly is trying to shake things, how to do
2:09:58
Speaker 2: things differently. That's what you're doing here in this partnership
2:10:01
Speaker 2: with Monster. Again, it's just a reminder that college athletics
2:10:06
Speaker 2: has changed and it's big business and people are trying
2:10:09
Speaker 2: to capitalize anywhere they can.
2:10:11
Speaker 4: Look.
2:10:11
Speaker 2: The players are trying to benefit from nil and revenue,
2:10:14
Speaker 2: and the league is finding new paths also, and it's
2:10:18
Speaker 2: not just the.
2:10:18
Speaker 4: TV deals and the.
2:10:20
Speaker 2: Money they can generate the conventional economic paths. It's now
2:10:25
Speaker 2: trying to do things a little bit differently. And it's
2:10:28
Speaker 2: the latest example. It's going to be funny to.
2:10:30
Speaker 4: See the logo okay with Monster Energy.
2:10:33
Speaker 2: And the Big Twelve, and we get some chuckles at it,
2:10:36
Speaker 2: but the end of the day, they're getting money out
2:10:38
Speaker 2: of it, and the school.
2:10:39
Speaker 4: Is going to get dollars.
2:10:40
Speaker 2: And that's what Brett Jormark is in charge of doing,
2:10:43
Speaker 2: is generating revenue and finding different ways to bring that
2:10:46
Speaker 2: to his schools that he represents well.
2:10:50
Speaker 1: Rox, So you're the man. I love picking your brain
2:10:52
Speaker 1: about all different sports and I appreciate you jumping around
2:10:55
Speaker 1: with me. Thanks for hopping on today. Where do we
2:10:57
Speaker 1: hear you next? What's the next Roxy burn steam broadcasting duty.
2:11:02
Speaker 2: I am off for a couple of weeks, which is nice.
2:11:04
Speaker 2: I just had a busy week. I had what I
2:11:05
Speaker 2: had the Diamondbacks and Padres on TV Wednesday night for
2:11:09
Speaker 2: our doubleheader on ESPN.
2:11:12
Speaker 4: Last weekend.
2:11:13
Speaker 2: I was in La had the Dodgers and the Padres,
2:11:15
Speaker 2: and I was in Seattle had the Mariners and the
2:11:18
Speaker 2: Blue Jays. I get a little bit of a break,
2:11:20
Speaker 2: and then come August it starts to get busy again.
2:11:22
Speaker 4: I got more.
2:11:23
Speaker 2: Baseball heading into football, and then you know, waiting on
2:11:27
Speaker 2: the hockey schedule, which is going to be announced on Wednesday,
2:11:30
Speaker 2: and I'll have.
2:11:30
Speaker 4: A feeling of where I'll be bouncing around for the NHL.
2:11:33
Speaker 4: But if there's a DoPT moment, Sean, I have problems.
2:11:37
Speaker 1: Sure, there's not a lot of those. For Roxy Bernstein,
2:11:40
Speaker 1: best in the business. You can hear him on ESPN,
2:11:43
Speaker 1: on ESPN Radio and occasionally right here on the Sean
2:11:46
Speaker 1: O'Connell Show. Thanks again, Roxy.
2:11:49
Speaker 2: Anytime, brother, take care of see stay cool man. I've
2:11:52
Speaker 2: heard the heat.
2:11:53
Speaker 4: There is no joke.
2:11:55
Speaker 1: It's cooling down a little bit this week, but this
2:11:57
Speaker 1: past weekend was whoop, nasty, sweaty, my friend.
2:12:03
Speaker 4: But it's a dry heat, right, yeah, yeah it is.
2:12:05
Speaker 1: There's that Roxy Bernstein.
2:12:09
Speaker 4: You're the man, see you, Sean.
2:12:12
Speaker 1: I love catch it up with Roxy. All right, we'll
2:12:15
Speaker 1: jump in a little jazz Summer League in action tonight
2:12:17
Speaker 1: against Chicago. Also, a jersey patch has been announced, not
2:12:25
Speaker 1: not for the Utes yet, but for b Yu. I'll
2:12:27
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2:13:51
Speaker 1: YU has announced their jersey patch sponsor for the twenty
2:13:56
Speaker 1: twenty six football season. It is in Trada. You will
2:14:02
Speaker 1: see if you're driving on I fifteen north or south
2:14:06
Speaker 1: on the east side near point of the mountain, you'll
2:14:08
Speaker 1: see the Intrada building, a Utah founded company that is
2:14:12
Speaker 1: still headquartered here and mostly run here. Most of their
2:14:15
Speaker 1: people are here in Utah. Intrada is a comprehensive cloud
2:14:21
Speaker 1: based property management software platform designed for multifamily housing and
2:14:26
Speaker 1: commercial real estate industries. It acts as an all in
2:14:29
Speaker 1: one operating system that unifies leasing, accounting, resident engagement, and
2:14:33
Speaker 1: facility operations in a single platform. All Right Tech company
2:14:37
Speaker 1: in Trada is the jersey patch sponsor for BYU in
2:14:43
Speaker 1: this upcoming football season, and they in the announcement they
2:14:47
Speaker 1: put it's shockingly it is a cougar blue jersey patch
2:14:53
Speaker 1: that just has white Intrada writing. It is non invasive,
2:14:57
Speaker 1: it doesn't stand out too much, but it is there
2:15:00
Speaker 1: and it is a dare I say, a tasteful addition
2:15:05
Speaker 1: to the BYU football jersey. If you're going to accept
2:15:08
Speaker 1: the money now, I just I want to know how
2:15:11
Speaker 1: much money they're getting. I want to know what it's
2:15:14
Speaker 1: worth for real, what is the market set at for
2:15:22
Speaker 1: these big twelve teams. We got word that the ripple
2:15:26
Speaker 1: Coin sponsor for Kansas Athletics is somewhere in the five
2:15:30
Speaker 1: or six million dollars range per year. This is a
2:15:33
Speaker 1: multi year agreement between Entrada and BYU. I want to
2:15:39
Speaker 1: know how much it's got to be at least in
2:15:47
Speaker 1: that realm, right, And I'll tell you why. You could
2:15:50
Speaker 1: make an argument that like, look, Texas Tech is going
2:15:54
Speaker 1: to have some oil company, right, Cody Campbell's parent company,
2:16:00
Speaker 1: what's it called? Like I forget what is I forget
2:16:05
Speaker 1: what his actual gas company's actual energy company that he
2:16:07
Speaker 1: sold was. But they're gonna get some big sponsor patch
2:16:11
Speaker 1: related to the oil industry. Okay, BYU is getting this.
2:16:15
Speaker 1: It's very by the way, it's very on the nose.
2:16:17
Speaker 1: It's exactly It's like Utah County Tech Boom Sales bro
2:16:25
Speaker 1: kind of like it's perfect. And I don't say that insultingly.
2:16:28
Speaker 1: It's exactly what you should be going after if you're BYU.
2:16:33
Speaker 1: I think all of us, to some extent, wish it
2:16:35
Speaker 1: was a crumble cookie patch. That would have been awesome,
2:16:39
Speaker 1: That would have been hilarious. But Crumble probably doesn't have
2:16:43
Speaker 1: quite as much disposable marketing income as in Trada does.
2:16:51
Speaker 1: I want to know the real money. I want like
2:16:54
Speaker 1: that is not in the first write ups I'm seeing.
2:16:56
Speaker 1: I have not found it on Twitter yet. I want
2:16:58
Speaker 1: to know the money and where and try to CEO
2:17:02
Speaker 1: as Adam Edmonds he put out his statement, We're proud
2:17:05
Speaker 1: of Utah Company. Most of our team lives here. We
2:17:07
Speaker 1: love BYU and what's ahead. Blah blah blah. Right, everyone's
2:17:11
Speaker 1: saying all the right things. These jersey patches go into
2:17:13
Speaker 1: effect on August first, and that's when you're gonna see
2:17:18
Speaker 1: co branding and partnerships like this announced hopefully for everywhere.
2:17:23
Speaker 1: Crimson Brand partners. You are up Utah Football. Utah Basketball
2:17:28
Speaker 1: needs you to create a luxury. Luxury is probably the
2:17:34
Speaker 1: wrong term to create a lucrative partnership for the jersey sponsor.
2:17:38
Speaker 1: We need this right.
2:17:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially with the Twitch come to Adida's next next
2:17:43
Speaker 3: season as well.
2:17:44
Speaker 1: Gotta do it, man to do it, and it's it's
2:17:47
Speaker 1: the perfect thing to prove your worth, to prove how
2:17:50
Speaker 1: you know the importance and the validity of a private
2:17:53
Speaker 1: equity partnership with Outro Capital that created Crimson Brand Partners.
2:17:59
Speaker 1: I said this last week. You want to prove to
2:18:01
Speaker 1: people that this concept is valid and makes sense and
2:18:04
Speaker 1: should be done across college sports. Well, bring in the
2:18:09
Speaker 1: money that your expertise are supposed to be able to
2:18:12
Speaker 1: help with, and TROT is a good one for BYU.
2:18:19
Speaker 1: I will try to get to the bottom of how
2:18:21
Speaker 1: much money it is. You gotta you gotta fall it.
2:18:25
Speaker 1: You gotta be north of Washington State and UNLV. It's
2:18:30
Speaker 1: probably okay if he didn't get quite as much as Kansas,
2:18:33
Speaker 1: because especially for basketball, Kansas is like blue blood. That's
2:18:39
Speaker 1: a big, big deal, right, But you know BYU has
2:18:43
Speaker 1: a national fan base and they do like as much
2:18:45
Speaker 1: as Utah fans hate hearing that all the time they do.
2:18:48
Speaker 1: It's proven every time they play an away game. There's
2:18:50
Speaker 1: a the church affiliation. There's there's members of the LDS
2:18:55
Speaker 1: church in every single state and a lot of them
2:18:58
Speaker 1: bleed Cougar Blue and so in Trada. Now, I you know,
2:19:03
Speaker 1: I'm always curious when you're not like a true direct
2:19:08
Speaker 1: to the average consumer company and you go with the
2:19:10
Speaker 1: sports sponsorship because it's like, yeah, I get it. It's
2:19:14
Speaker 1: a line item, it's a write off, it's all these things. Right,
2:19:18
Speaker 1: if I was selling a product, I want my product
2:19:23
Speaker 1: on the Utah Mammoth jersey, on the Utah Uth jersey,
2:19:26
Speaker 1: on the Utah Jazz jersey. Right. A lot of the
2:19:29
Speaker 1: sponsorships you see, it's like some like Steel Magnate it's
2:19:33
Speaker 1: a tech company. It's like, I mean, not all of
2:19:36
Speaker 1: these in Trada doesn't do anything for me the average consumer.
2:19:40
Speaker 1: It just doesn't. I don't use in Trada, but I
2:19:44
Speaker 1: still think it's cool that they're doing this. It's just
2:19:46
Speaker 1: if you're a crumble cookie, you've missed an opportunity here
2:19:49
Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, swig makes sense that you
2:19:53
Speaker 1: want to put your product out there.
2:19:56
Speaker 3: I didn't have a swig on a BWAYU jersey. Kind
2:20:00
Speaker 3: of interesting, Oh.
2:20:00
Speaker 1: Swig on that also be perfect? People like what Swig.
2:20:04
Speaker 1: It's like, well, it's they don't really do Starbucks here
2:20:08
Speaker 1: the way that they do everything else. They don't do
2:20:11
Speaker 1: like cocktails the way they do other places, but they
2:20:14
Speaker 1: do dirty sodas. It's again, I love and appreciate when
2:20:19
Speaker 1: these things are very culturally on brand. I want the
2:20:22
Speaker 1: same for Utah.
2:20:24
Speaker 3: I agree with you, I completely agree with you. What else?
2:20:32
Speaker 3: What else could you put on a Utah jersey? Like
2:20:34
Speaker 3: under the monster logo?
2:20:36
Speaker 1: Don't look here, here's one that makes sense. Find what
2:20:50
Speaker 1: is the most Utah brand the most? Like Maverick Gas Stations.
2:20:54
Speaker 1: They're already sponsoring Utah State athletics, but like it's a
2:20:58
Speaker 1: red logo. I think Maverick is very tied into Utah State.
2:21:04
Speaker 1: I don't know if the founder was an aggie or whatever.
2:21:07
Speaker 1: I already said. I already said Pixar was a good
2:21:09
Speaker 1: one because the Pixar one of the Pixar founders was
2:21:12
Speaker 1: a ute. I don't like again, you know, you know
2:21:19
Speaker 1: it's a good one. Huntsman do the Huntsman Cancer Institute. Yeah,
2:21:24
Speaker 1: something like that. That's not a thankfully fingers crossed for
2:21:29
Speaker 1: everyone out there. That's not a direct to consumer advertisement,
2:21:33
Speaker 1: but it is quite prestigious. That classes up your jersey
2:21:37
Speaker 1: a little bit if you've got Huntsman Cancer Institute as
2:21:41
Speaker 1: like the logo sponsor. I'm a I'm partial to the
2:21:47
Speaker 1: Hogel Zoo. I'm a big Hogel Zoo fan. I don't
2:21:49
Speaker 1: know if they have it in their marketing budget.
2:21:52
Speaker 3: In the Natural History Museum.
2:21:53
Speaker 1: Ooh ooh, zach million dollar buck idea right there, there
2:21:59
Speaker 1: you go. This isn't a great it's a great museum. Again,
2:22:05
Speaker 1: doesn't that you run that too? Yeah, it's all part
2:22:07
Speaker 1: of the But that's so that that's probably not ideal
2:22:11
Speaker 1: because it's just like you're taking money from one part
2:22:13
Speaker 1: of the university giving it to another part of You're
2:22:15
Speaker 1: just like cycling the same funds around. Yeah, it's like
2:22:18
Speaker 1: money laundering.
2:22:19
Speaker 3: But why not put the ESPN seven hundred sponsorship on
2:22:22
Speaker 3: our on their jerseys?
2:22:24
Speaker 1: You think we're paying for that?
2:22:25
Speaker 6: You know?
2:22:27
Speaker 3: Okay?
2:22:28
Speaker 1: You know how you know how amazing it would be
2:22:31
Speaker 1: if our owner on High who could absolutely if he
2:22:35
Speaker 1: wanted to write that check, was just like, you know what,
2:22:39
Speaker 1: let's strengthen this partnership and just busted out five million
2:22:43
Speaker 1: a year for the Jersey Patch.
2:22:44
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:22:45
Speaker 1: Everyone in the buildings just like, can I get some
2:22:47
Speaker 1: of that for the salary? Please?
2:22:49
Speaker 3: Yeah? Where's our where's our free merch?
2:22:51
Speaker 1: I you know, I wish and this is no humor
2:22:56
Speaker 1: involved in this, Like I wish that it would make
2:23:00
Speaker 1: sense financially if there was an outlet for it, like
2:23:04
Speaker 1: the Ute tribe to have a logo that they could
2:23:08
Speaker 1: put on, right, because that's you know when like I
2:23:12
Speaker 1: think that's isn't that That's where the Washington State logo is.
2:23:16
Speaker 1: I think the Washington State jersey patch is like a
2:23:19
Speaker 1: tribal tribal councilor tribal but there's you know, there's businesses
2:23:25
Speaker 1: associated with that. I don't we need some like ute businesses,
2:23:29
Speaker 1: a ute you know, energy exploration company or like the
2:23:36
Speaker 1: you know, Seminoles in Florida have a very extensive entertainment
2:23:44
Speaker 1: type you know, casinos, concert venues, things like that. So
2:23:47
Speaker 1: the Seminole tribe, it makes sense for them to actually
2:23:50
Speaker 1: sponsor the Florida State seminal jerseys if they wanted to.
2:23:55
Speaker 1: That'd be really cool if the Ute tribe was kind
2:23:57
Speaker 1: of on that same front.
2:23:58
Speaker 3: You think of the Cold Tribes cox logo. I think
2:24:02
Speaker 3: that's right, Yeah, that's the one that's on Washington State. Yeah.
2:24:06
Speaker 3: I think another thing that'd be pretty cool too. It's
2:24:08
Speaker 3: like if we did the tribe like you know how
2:24:09
Speaker 3: we have the tribal helmets, yes stripe, imagine that like
2:24:12
Speaker 3: on the shoulders, like how kind of like San Diego
2:24:15
Speaker 3: States jerseys are kind of like but like you do
2:24:18
Speaker 3: the pattern of the tribe.
2:24:20
Speaker 1: If I told you that at one point those jerseys
2:24:22
Speaker 1: existed and they were buried and never saw the light
2:24:27
Speaker 1: of day, you would probably be bothered and disappointed. Allegedly
2:24:31
Speaker 1: though allegedly Wink wink. Allegedly.
2:24:35
Speaker 3: Now I'm looking it up because of you.
2:24:36
Speaker 1: Well, you can't find anything. It's an apocryphal story that
2:24:40
Speaker 1: may or may not actually have happened. Allegedly. Wink wink.
2:24:45
Speaker 3: I'm asking you this after we get off air.
2:24:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, I won't have anything to say because it's all alleged.
2:24:51
Speaker 3: Swink wink.
2:24:53
Speaker 1: All Right, we'll take our final break. We'll do a
2:24:55
Speaker 1: little cross talk. I will give away some tickets. We
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Speaker 1: coming Thursday eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
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Speaker 1: We found out that one member of the FIFA Disciplinary
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Speaker 1: Committee decided unilatterie, the chairman said, we're going to overturn
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Speaker 1: flow Balligan's red card. We're going to push back the
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Speaker 1: enforcement of this thing. Let's go. How many members are
2:26:52
Speaker 1: there of the FIFA Disciplinary Committee. We talked about this, right,
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Speaker 1: We thought all maybe we might need a consensus type vote,
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Speaker 1: but really was just one guy of the number of
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Speaker 1: the blank total eight seven seven three five to three
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Speaker 1: zero seven hundred. If you were listening when we had
2:27:09
Speaker 1: that conversation, I know we're not supposed to overreact to
2:27:15
Speaker 1: summer league basketball, and so I'm not, but I will
2:27:20
Speaker 1: encourage all of you to watch, even as Ace Bailey
2:27:23
Speaker 1: and his injury problems are kind of throwing off the
2:27:27
Speaker 1: whole vibe for the Utah Jazz in summer League. We're
2:27:31
Speaker 1: not making any kind of long term, hardcore, crazy judgments
2:27:35
Speaker 1: about what this roster is going to be capable of
2:27:38
Speaker 1: when we're just talking about the young folks, the rookies,
2:27:40
Speaker 1: the sophomores, the third year guys, and you're doing it
2:27:44
Speaker 1: without one of your two best in that age category
2:27:47
Speaker 1: with Ace Bailey being unavailable. But if you want to
2:27:51
Speaker 1: just like maybe inject a little a little bit more hope,
2:27:56
Speaker 1: a little bit more excitement into your Jazz fandom, Darren
2:27:59
Speaker 1: p is that dude, man, Like, just go watch him
2:28:03
Speaker 1: playing against the other guys his age in summer league basketball.
2:28:07
Speaker 1: This is now four games and he's got another one tonight.
2:28:10
Speaker 1: It's four games where Darren Peterson has scored twenty points
2:28:14
Speaker 1: or more and regardless of results and whether or not
2:28:16
Speaker 1: he scored more than Aj Debonsa when he and Debonsa
2:28:19
Speaker 1: were head to head, Like, play the long game with
2:28:23
Speaker 1: this thing, look at it big picture and tell me
2:28:26
Speaker 1: that Darren Peterson is not a dude that you're just
2:28:28
Speaker 1: confident is going to be a real factor for the
2:28:32
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz, not only moving forward, but immediately, like from
2:28:37
Speaker 1: a physicality, from an actual ability standpoint, I think I
2:28:41
Speaker 1: think Darren Peterson is going to start off as the
2:28:44
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz best athlete. He is going to be on
2:28:50
Speaker 1: his first real reps on an NBA floor. He is
2:28:53
Speaker 1: going to be the most talented player on your team. Now,
2:28:59
Speaker 1: talent and work ethic and all these things have to
2:29:01
Speaker 1: you know, crossover, and he appears to have all of
2:29:04
Speaker 1: that dialed in as well. So again, don't don't extrapolate
2:29:09
Speaker 1: any findings out of this, and don't fret over the
2:29:15
Speaker 1: fact that Aj Debonsa wins in his first Summer League,
2:29:20
Speaker 1: non match, non important matchup, showcase matchup against Darren Peterson.
2:29:27
Speaker 1: Just watch Darren Peterson and the way that he sort
2:29:30
Speaker 1: of like floats around effortlessly attacks the basket puts in
2:29:35
Speaker 1: the hustle plays. Even though he's the number two overall.
2:29:38
Speaker 1: Pick does not appear to have any kind of like
2:29:41
Speaker 1: Prima Donna sort of tendencies, at least not on display
2:29:44
Speaker 1: at this moment. I was anti tanking, while the Utah
2:29:51
Speaker 1: Jazz I was anti pretending you're not tanking all right.
2:29:58
Speaker 1: It was for the idea of making your team are
2:30:00
Speaker 1: in the long term. I was anti expecting your fan
2:30:05
Speaker 1: base to support all the way through it, even though
2:30:06
Speaker 1: every one of you did, all of you hardcore jazz
2:30:09
Speaker 1: fans showed up, even the people in the cheap seats
2:30:12
Speaker 1: that they were selling for five bucks. Like there was
2:30:14
Speaker 1: enthusiasm for this. The Delta Center didn't really lose its
2:30:19
Speaker 1: mystique as a jazz arena somehow through these lean years.
2:30:23
Speaker 1: And my sincere hope is that Darren Peterson ushers in
2:30:27
Speaker 1: this new time on the calendar, this new age of
2:30:34
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz basketball, where he is just I mean, he
2:30:37
Speaker 1: is an athlete, three syllable. That's how you know, That's
2:30:44
Speaker 1: how you get that's how you get the optimism. Right
2:30:46
Speaker 1: when the guys who know how to play the game
2:30:49
Speaker 1: talk about guys with the three syllable athlete, athlete that
2:30:53
Speaker 1: is him, and he's got skill, and he appears to
2:30:56
Speaker 1: have work ethic. He's just that guy.
2:31:00
Speaker 4: Again.
2:31:01
Speaker 1: Results in the Summer League mean zero. But sit back
2:31:04
Speaker 1: and watch it in Vegas and just make yourself feel
2:31:08
Speaker 1: a little bit better that you've got a guy playing
2:31:12
Speaker 1: in the back court with that kind of length, with
2:31:15
Speaker 1: that kind of ability, with that kind of explosive movement
2:31:17
Speaker 1: toward the basket. Wrapping things up here on the Sean
2:31:23
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Speaker 1: off the golf course? Is that is that accurate?
2:31:48
Speaker 11: Well, Sean, first of all, shout out my guy Patrick
2:31:51
Speaker 11: Patricks here in studio, my brother. As you know, the
2:31:55
Speaker 11: Women's State Am is next week. It was the men
2:31:57
Speaker 11: Zam last week.
2:31:58
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:31:59
Speaker 11: So what they do, as you know, is they allow
2:32:02
Speaker 11: the media to go out and play around with a
2:32:05
Speaker 11: couple of past champions, and so that we had the
2:32:08
Speaker 11: media tournament this morning, and I don't do you do?
2:32:12
Speaker 12: You want to know who won?
2:32:14
Speaker 3: I do this?
2:32:16
Speaker 4: Guy?
2:32:17
Speaker 1: Wait?
2:32:17
Speaker 3: You won?
2:32:18
Speaker 12: I did. It's my first time.
2:32:20
Speaker 11: I think I've been doing this five or six years,
2:32:22
Speaker 11: and actually I finally won the thing today.
2:32:23
Speaker 12: So I'm coming off the gold course on the.
2:32:26
Speaker 1: Hole with the windmill? Did you get the hole in one?
2:32:28
Speaker 11: So you're thinking of mini golf, it's a natural, you know,
2:32:31
Speaker 11: I understand why you're confused. Well, but I just thought
2:32:35
Speaker 11: you'd be like, hey, wait to wrap the station instead
2:32:38
Speaker 11: of oh wait, you know what real quick?
2:32:41
Speaker 1: Uh oh, he's reaching into his bag before you get start.
2:32:48
Speaker 1: Tune in on YouTube and you will find that Spencer
2:32:50
Speaker 1: chickens Ah.
2:32:53
Speaker 12: Now do your voice monster energy. I'm just trying to
2:32:57
Speaker 12: be a good partners, all right.
2:32:59
Speaker 1: Hey, what color is the low go on that can?
2:33:01
Speaker 11: This one is actually a sleek like goldish type.
2:33:05
Speaker 12: It would look good on a red jersey.
2:33:07
Speaker 1: You know, it's wild is there's no Neon green logo
2:33:12
Speaker 1: on that can? Anywhere? It's you can do the logo
2:33:15
Speaker 1: and other colors.
2:33:16
Speaker 11: And you should do the logo and other colors when
2:33:19
Speaker 11: your primary color.
2:33:20
Speaker 1: Is red or purple or royal blue or indeed any
2:33:24
Speaker 1: assort keep going.
2:33:25
Speaker 12: Did you want to talk more about the tournament or
2:33:27
Speaker 12: are we good?
2:33:29
Speaker 1: I'm just proud of you.
2:33:30
Speaker 12: Thank you.
2:33:30
Speaker 1: That's all. That's all I need to say about it.
2:33:32
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:33:33
Speaker 11: Yeah, So straight off the golf course, your boy got
2:33:35
Speaker 11: a dub and I played.
2:33:37
Speaker 1: What do you win for that? Do you like qualify
2:33:39
Speaker 1: for the Utah City?
2:33:40
Speaker 12: Literally nothing.
2:33:41
Speaker 1: You don't like, you know, like get to play in
2:33:42
Speaker 1: the real tournament.
2:33:43
Speaker 12: Ma's literally nothing.
2:33:44
Speaker 11: In fact, Easton, if you're listening, I'm gonna call you out,
2:33:47
Speaker 11: the executive director of the UGA. When you win the
2:33:50
Speaker 11: media tournament during the men's week, you get a trophy.
2:33:53
Speaker 11: And when you win the media tournament during the women's week,
2:33:55
Speaker 11: apparently you get a really poorly cooked chicken parmesan So
2:34:00
Speaker 11: Texas filing, yes, thank you, it is filing a grievance.
2:34:04
Speaker 11: I'm hoping that they send me a trophy and arrives.
2:34:06
Speaker 3: At my house.
2:34:07
Speaker 1: You can air that on Friday.
2:34:08
Speaker 12: Indeed, can I get a Connor McGregor take from my guy?
2:34:15
Speaker 1: Unfortunate? I think embarrassing for all parties involved. To me,
2:34:20
Speaker 1: it seems clear that he was not one hundred percent
2:34:23
Speaker 1: heading into the fight. Now, there are myriad professional athletes
2:34:29
Speaker 1: in every sport, every competition day that are less than
2:34:32
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Yeah, I'm very We're never going to
2:34:36
Speaker 1: get the real answer to it, but I think there
2:34:40
Speaker 1: is some meat on the bone. There's a little smoke
2:34:42
Speaker 1: to the fire that he and his team might have
2:34:45
Speaker 1: known that he had something serious going on with that
2:34:50
Speaker 1: right knee, and then he get I mean, the other
2:34:55
Speaker 1: explanation of it is it's just like insanely flukish bad
2:34:59
Speaker 1: luck and maybe all those crows are coming home to
2:35:07
Speaker 1: roost for Connor McGregor, who's had like he spoke a
2:35:10
Speaker 1: lot of things into existence. He had a very he
2:35:13
Speaker 1: had a lot of luck. He had you know, that
2:35:16
Speaker 1: opportunity meeting preparation that some people call luck like he was.
2:35:21
Speaker 1: He was just that dude for so long and then
2:35:24
Speaker 1: like five years away from the sport with admitted steroid usage.
2:35:28
Speaker 1: Pretty heavy steroid usage in that time can do damage
2:35:31
Speaker 1: to the ligaments, can do damage to the tendons. Yeah. So,
2:35:36
Speaker 1: I mean he's thirty seven, which is not the super
2:35:39
Speaker 1: friendly age for combat sports necessarily. So there's there's a
2:35:44
Speaker 1: lot of weird things about that that whole fight card. Actually,
2:35:47
Speaker 1: there's another fight earlier on the card that looked very
2:35:52
Speaker 1: suspicious to me. Oh really, yeah, it was like it
2:35:57
Speaker 1: was like one guy was getting this snot beat out
2:36:01
Speaker 1: of him. I'll say snot instead of what I else
2:36:04
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the trash beat out of him.
2:36:08
Speaker 1: And then in the final few seconds of this opening
2:36:11
Speaker 1: round he finishes the other guy. The other guy goes
2:36:14
Speaker 1: down and then they show the replays as they always do,
2:36:16
Speaker 1: in slow motion, and there's no like shot that did it? Huh,
2:36:21
Speaker 1: there's no like like he landed a couple of things,
2:36:24
Speaker 1: but what he landed. Then there was like a five
2:36:27
Speaker 1: or six second interval, and then the guy goes down
2:36:30
Speaker 1: against the cage and covers up and gets tkot and
2:36:33
Speaker 1: you're just like, wait, what of those final shots landed
2:36:36
Speaker 1: and hurts you so badly? It kind of didn't make
2:36:39
Speaker 1: any sense. So there's just some some weird stuff, and
2:36:42
Speaker 1: obviously the betting patterns favoring Connor McGregor, and then that
2:36:46
Speaker 1: means just millions of dollars into the books this weekend.
2:36:49
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's there's journalists getting their credentials pulled right
2:36:53
Speaker 1: now because they're reporting that the UFC knew about it
2:36:57
Speaker 1: and hit it and all that stuff. So I don't
2:36:59
Speaker 1: want to go that far because I'm not sure. But
2:37:03
Speaker 1: the former fighter, the athlete observation that is not even
2:37:09
Speaker 1: the walkout, even the Connor McGregor staring across the cage
2:37:13
Speaker 1: at Max Holloway is not the typical Conno McGregor that
2:37:16
Speaker 1: we saw. So is that because he had no confidence
2:37:20
Speaker 1: because he knew his leg was already blown out?
2:37:21
Speaker 3: Who knows?
2:37:22
Speaker 4: Yeah?
2:37:22
Speaker 11: See, that's and it's funny because, like I really do
2:37:27
Speaker 11: feel like if you have been doing this long enough
2:37:29
Speaker 11: and you can analyze and break down other sports, even
2:37:32
Speaker 11: if you're not an expert, like when you watch soccer,
2:37:35
Speaker 11: I would tell you just to trust your eyes, trust
2:37:36
Speaker 11: what you're seeing, right, But.
2:37:38
Speaker 1: I'm an expert.
2:37:39
Speaker 12: Well, I mean it was a bad example.
2:37:41
Speaker 11: Yeah, but to me, because he's just one of those
2:37:43
Speaker 11: guys where, oh he's on the card, I'm probably going
2:37:46
Speaker 11: to tune in. Yeah, And so when I found out
2:37:49
Speaker 11: that that was his night, I actually watched like the
2:37:52
Speaker 11: pre fight stuff where the round table was going on.
2:37:55
Speaker 11: I think Cormier was on it and Dana was on
2:37:58
Speaker 11: it for a little bit. And there's something about it
2:38:01
Speaker 11: just felt off. I mean, obviously the injury sealed something
2:38:04
Speaker 11: was off, but he didn't look the way he usually looked.
2:38:08
Speaker 12: He looked a little more timid. And you tell me.
2:38:11
Speaker 11: I mean, Holloway is a badass, right, I mean, he's
2:38:13
Speaker 11: a really good fighter, first ballot Hall.
2:38:15
Speaker 1: Of Famer, he's I mean, he's a champion, a former champion.
2:38:19
Speaker 1: He's my favorite active fighter. I love Max. He's incredible
2:38:25
Speaker 1: and I'm so happy that he got this payday in
2:38:27
Speaker 1: the showcase opportunity. And they fought a long time ago.
2:38:32
Speaker 1: Connor won that one. Now maxwin's this one, although not
2:38:34
Speaker 1: the way he wanted to and for him, it potentially
2:38:37
Speaker 1: creates a trilogy opportunity if Connor wants to come back
2:38:40
Speaker 1: and try it again. So that's great, But yeah, it
2:38:45
Speaker 1: was it was not what you would have expected.
2:38:47
Speaker 11: Yeah, And at what point, I mean, age comes for
2:38:51
Speaker 11: us all and the league that employs you will let
2:38:53
Speaker 11: you know when you're done.
2:38:55
Speaker 12: We see it all the time.
2:38:56
Speaker 11: At what point, I mean, how long can he be
2:39:00
Speaker 11: the guy that's someone like me who watches four or
2:39:02
Speaker 11: five fights a year, tunes in for.
2:39:04
Speaker 1: Well, if Netflix's loan forays in the combat sports have
2:39:09
Speaker 1: taught you anything. Fifty million people tuned in to watch
2:39:14
Speaker 1: a sixty year old Mike Tyson. Yeah, and just recently,
2:39:20
Speaker 1: Ronda Rousey at forty and Gina Carno at forty three,
2:39:24
Speaker 1: who hadn't fought in seventeen years, set the all time
2:39:28
Speaker 1: record for MMA viewership. Huh So yeah, once your name
2:39:33
Speaker 1: you're kind of in. Let me tell you what's gonna
2:39:34
Speaker 1: happen with Conor McGregor. Okay, he's gonna rehab this knee,
2:39:40
Speaker 1: he's going to come back. He's going to try to
2:39:41
Speaker 1: fight his one last fight on his UFC contract, and
2:39:44
Speaker 1: then he's going to get into business with Netflix. And
2:39:48
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor is going to be on a Netflix card
2:39:50
Speaker 1: of some kind fighting who knows who, and because it's
2:39:55
Speaker 1: on Netflix, and because we will get that marketing machine
2:40:00
Speaker 1: that will be thirty million viewers and the results won't matter,
2:40:05
Speaker 1: and Connor could be forty. When it happens, they'll pull
2:40:09
Speaker 1: Donald Cerroni out of retirement. They'll have you know, no
2:40:13
Speaker 1: one will care. They'll get Nate Diaz to come out
2:40:16
Speaker 1: and just be like they've they've fought each other, you know,
2:40:19
Speaker 1: let's do it again, homie, Like, was that your Nate DS.
2:40:21
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:40:22
Speaker 1: I like that they'll they'll do that whole thing, and
2:40:25
Speaker 1: that's like he will be that business machine. It's almost
2:40:29
Speaker 1: like adds to his mystique that it's like you get
2:40:31
Speaker 1: to see me now every two years, every five years,
2:40:33
Speaker 1: every three years. But well, if that happens in five years,
2:40:38
Speaker 1: you're going to tune in watch.
2:40:39
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:40:40
Speaker 11: I mean that there's something that I can't identify as
2:40:43
Speaker 11: to why he seems to get the attention that he does.
2:40:46
Speaker 11: I know he is known for the manifestation.
2:40:49
Speaker 12: I don't know.
2:40:50
Speaker 11: I find some of that stuff a little like woo woo,
2:40:52
Speaker 11: you know, like, Okay, oftentimes you hear about people manifesting
2:40:56
Speaker 11: what they accomplished, like after they did it. It's like, no,
2:40:58
Speaker 11: you already did it. A lot was probably hard work
2:41:00
Speaker 11: in preparation. But maybe you want to sell an ebook,
2:41:03
Speaker 11: so check out my fourteen day mental cleanse that will
2:41:06
Speaker 11: get you to where you need to go. I'm skeptical
2:41:08
Speaker 11: of that stuff, but it's undeniable that for your sport,
2:41:12
Speaker 11: for that sport, he is Tiger, he is MESSI, he
2:41:16
Speaker 11: is Gaylin Clark, He's you know, he's he's that guy. Yeah,
2:41:19
Speaker 11: even if he's not like the best to do it
2:41:22
Speaker 11: or the best ride. Now, he still is the guy
2:41:24
Speaker 11: where I sat and watched like a forty five minute
2:41:27
Speaker 11: pre fight It roundtable interview before UFC have Man because
2:41:31
Speaker 11: it was Connor McGregor.
2:41:32
Speaker 1: That's right. He was just he has that juice and
2:41:35
Speaker 1: he will maintain that for the foreseeable future. Even though
2:41:39
Speaker 1: like I was when Mike Tyson was fighting Jake Paul,
2:41:43
Speaker 1: I know exactly what was going to happen, right, we
2:41:47
Speaker 1: were on these airwaves and I was like, this is
2:41:48
Speaker 1: a non event, yeah, and then I tuned in because
2:41:52
Speaker 1: there's a curiosity factor to it. When Gina Carano and
2:41:55
Speaker 1: Ronda Rousey were getting ready to fight, I was like,
2:41:57
Speaker 1: this is also a non competitive matchup that is just
2:42:01
Speaker 1: to get people to talk about Netflix in MMA.
2:42:05
Speaker 12: Yeah.
2:42:06
Speaker 1: I didn't need to see that fight. I wasn't asking
2:42:08
Speaker 1: for that fight, but someone put it there and I
2:42:10
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm gonna watch that and that Connor
2:42:12
Speaker 1: margregor is always going to have that. He could be
2:42:15
Speaker 1: seventy five years old and be like I want the
2:42:18
Speaker 1: trilogy with Max Holloway, and Max hollow would be like, okay,
2:42:22
Speaker 1: let's do it.
2:42:23
Speaker 12: Yeah, the purse is there and that's show up.
2:42:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what, he allegedly got thirty million
2:42:28
Speaker 1: dollars for that sixty nine seconds the other night.
2:42:31
Speaker 11: Oh my gosh. I didn't realize it was that much.
2:42:35
Speaker 11: And I'm sure the consumers felt cheated or whatever, But dude,
2:42:40
Speaker 11: that's the risky run a.
2:42:41
Speaker 1: Guy I know. I think you know him as well
2:42:44
Speaker 1: as a place down in Vegas goes down to every fight.
2:42:48
Speaker 1: He's a very successful local businessman. He's done really well
2:42:50
Speaker 1: for himself. He can afford it. But he dropped like
2:42:53
Speaker 1: twenty something grand on tickets, Yeah, to watch Connor McGregor fight.
2:42:57
Speaker 1: And that's what you got, right, And look that that
2:42:59
Speaker 1: happens sometimes in combat sports and in sports in general.
2:43:03
Speaker 1: You show up and you know, you do the road
2:43:05
Speaker 1: trip to follow your favorite college football team and they
2:43:07
Speaker 1: lay an egg and you're just like, oh my gosh,
2:43:09
Speaker 1: that was the most expensive seat in UFC history, and
2:43:13
Speaker 1: that's what you got.
2:43:15
Speaker 11: Yeah, Well, to your point, as long as the money
2:43:17
Speaker 11: is there, the fighters are going to show up. They
2:43:20
Speaker 11: certainly know how to put on a show. I mean,
2:43:22
Speaker 11: the spectacle, the spectacle is undeniable.
2:43:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. Stay tuned for the Monster Energy Drive
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Speaker 1: spence checks. Thanks for listening to The Sean O'Connell Show.
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