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Catching Up With Former Ohio State QB Bob Hoying · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: show is about former Ohio State quarterback Bobby Hoying. He
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Speaker 1: goes by Bob Hoying.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: He was really the first quarterback of a modern an
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Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to another edition of Buckeye Banter. We
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Speaker 3: are telling the stories of Ohio State football, basketball players,
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Speaker 3: people who worked around the athletics at Ohio State, and
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Speaker 3: today I'm so pleased and blessed to bring in Bob Hoying. Bob,
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Speaker 3: thanks for the time.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, sah, thank you, A yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're telling your story. And of course a lot
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Speaker 3: of folks out there know you as Bobby Hoying. I
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Speaker 3: assume when you got more in the profession world. Do
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Speaker 3: you want to go with Bob?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was kind of fifty to fifty
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Speaker 4: when I was at Ohio State. Was It was funny
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Speaker 4: because in Saint Henry's was I was Bob most of
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Speaker 4: my life, and then I got to Ohio State, I
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Speaker 4: was Bobby and then and you know, I'm trying to
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Speaker 4: go back to Bobby this year twenty twenty five, so
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Speaker 4: I had to, you know, maybe a little down health wise.
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Speaker 4: I tore my labor on my shoulder last year. So
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Speaker 4: I'm trying to get back to Bobby if I can
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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 3: There you go, There you go. You grew up in
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Speaker 3: Saint Henry, As you mentioned, you were born September twentieth,
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Speaker 3: nineteen seventy two. I was actually going to share with
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Speaker 3: you a little bit when I went, well, when you
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Speaker 3: were at Ohio State, I was a little younger, and
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Speaker 3: I was in high school, and my knowledge of Saint Henry,
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Speaker 3: Ohio was Wally Post, I believe, your grandfather, and famous
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Speaker 3: Cincinnati read with Frank Robinson and Veda Pinson and all
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Speaker 3: those guys and Gus Bell and in you yourself, and
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Speaker 3: I didn't really know Jim Lache yet at that time
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Speaker 3: or who he was, because I was kind of in
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Speaker 3: between age wise. I move into park Hall at Ohio
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Speaker 3: State in the fall of ninety seven, and I've got
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Speaker 3: Todd Kaiser and Aaron Post in my room and next door. Wow,
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Speaker 3: Saint Henry guys obviously know you The amazing thing about that.
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Speaker 3: I remember they only had like fifty eight or so
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Speaker 3: kids in their graduating class, but like seven or eight
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Speaker 3: of them came down to Ohio State, and man, they
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Speaker 3: were just so close even throughout college. As we met
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Speaker 3: more people that group hung together. Talk to me a
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Speaker 3: little bit about Saint Henry and how close you know
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Speaker 3: you are to folks even there.
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Speaker 4: Probably today, Yeah, I think it's I look back and
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Speaker 4: so feel so lucky that I grew up in a
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Speaker 4: place like Saint Henry because I had great parents.
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Speaker 2: You know, my grandfather played for the Reds.
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Speaker 4: I didn't know it, really, I was the oldest grandchild
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Speaker 4: on the Post side. My mom is the oldest daughter,
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Speaker 4: Wally's daughter. So yeah, I kind of grew up in
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Speaker 4: a small town with this sort of mythical grandfather, you know,
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Speaker 4: and he passed away when I was in second grade.
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Speaker 4: So I just still have. I do have memories of him,
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Speaker 4: but not a ton but but such a great place
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Speaker 4: to grow up. You know, the same guys that we
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Speaker 4: went on to win some state titles with were the
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Speaker 4: same guys I went to kindergarten with. There wasn't really
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Speaker 4: any move ins move outs. You know, we all apologize
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Speaker 4: for my phone. We all, yeah, we all grew up together.
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Speaker 4: And you know, my point guard, Scott Brunswick was you know,
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Speaker 4: one of my best friends in kindergarten and he goes on,
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Speaker 4: you know, to be an all Mac wide receiver at Toledo.
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Speaker 4: Jeff Hardings grew up less than a mile away from me.
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Speaker 4: It was a two time All American at Penn State.
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Speaker 4: Kevinnee Camp, a really good friend, you know, you know,
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Speaker 4: ended up going to Ohio State on full, full scholarship.
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Speaker 4: So we just had a really good couple of classes
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Speaker 4: there and really over the next couple of decades, you know,
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Speaker 4: Sandry had had had produced a number of great athletes
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Speaker 4: that have gone on into college to play. So, you know,
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Speaker 4: just one of those places not a lot to do,
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Speaker 4: you know. So you know, the nearest fast food restaurant
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Speaker 4: was twenty minutes away. One stop light in our town.
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Speaker 4: Everybody's Catholic, everybody knew each other. A lot of hard working,
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Speaker 4: you know, farming folks. You know, my dad was one
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Speaker 4: of fifteen kids, grew up on a farm, and that's
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Speaker 4: where I work growing up, and and so I think,
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Speaker 4: you know, we were all kind of exposed to this
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Speaker 4: hard work, ethic, togetherness, teamwork, unselfishness, you know, are all
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Speaker 4: traits that that we all kind of grew up with.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I remember Jeff Harding's brother, Joe was in the class
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Speaker 3: that I would have been in, and the guys talked
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Speaker 3: about him and even they had wished he had come
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Speaker 3: down to High State, but that that state tie with
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Speaker 3: coach Joe Pat was a little too serious for them.
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Speaker 3: Tell me a little bit about it, if I have
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Speaker 3: it right. You won a football state title and then
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Speaker 3: two basketball state titles.
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Speaker 2: Is that right? Yeah, we were able to win.
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Speaker 4: My junior year in basketball was really our first title
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Speaker 4: as a group.
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Speaker 2: And almost all of us played both sports. I played
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Speaker 2: multiple sports, a lot of us played three sports.
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Speaker 4: So but we went on a run there and I
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Speaker 4: think our volleyball team won a state title our senior year.
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Speaker 2: So there was a lot of state titles, you know, that.
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Speaker 4: Twenty four month period just incredible experience for us. I
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Speaker 4: think as a basketball kid growing up probably was my
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Speaker 4: first love.
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Speaker 2: I loved hoops.
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Speaker 4: To be able to play in Saint John's Arena was
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Speaker 4: incredible experience. You know, twelve thirteen thousand people. We sold
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Speaker 4: it out even as a Division three and four teams
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Speaker 4: back then. So it was special for me because my
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Speaker 4: dad had taken me to the state basketball tournament as
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Speaker 4: a little kid. So to be able to go back
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Speaker 4: there as a junior and senior and win in Saint
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Speaker 4: John's Arena was was pretty awesome, pretty special moments. And
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Speaker 4: we were able to win in Maslin my senior year,
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Speaker 4: you know, to a Sandusky Saint Mary's team. We were
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Speaker 4: actually down seventeen to nothing going into the final quarter
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Speaker 4: and we came back and won. We scored twenty twenty
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Speaker 4: points in the fourth quarter, which was was pretty incredible
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Speaker 4: sort of experience in how we won our first state
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Speaker 4: title for Saint Henry. So great memories, man, you know,
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Speaker 4: those are some of the best. And I tell kids
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Speaker 4: all the time, whether I'm talking to you know, Ohio
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Speaker 4: State or anybody else. You know, some of those moments,
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Speaker 4: you know, in your high school or even in college,
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Speaker 4: you know, are the best even compared to anything you
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Speaker 4: had in the NFL.
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Speaker 3: Now, obviously you came to higher state to play quarterback,
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Speaker 3: that's a big deal. How seriously did you take those
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Speaker 3: some of the college interests you had for basketball.
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Speaker 4: Not very I think through my junior year, after my
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Speaker 4: junior year football season became clear I was either going
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Speaker 4: to play at a pretty high level of football or
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Speaker 4: not so high.
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Speaker 2: In basketball, you know.
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Speaker 4: And and so I think it became pretty clear after that.
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Speaker 4: That season is really when I started really focusing on
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Speaker 4: on football. And today, I mean, you see kids that commit,
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Speaker 4: you know, freshman sophomore year, which is crazy. I wasn't
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Speaker 4: committed to Ohio State until midway through my senior year
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Speaker 4: basketball season.
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Speaker 3: Wow, that's what I was going to ask you next
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Speaker 3: about recruiting and and who was recruiting you? And and
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Speaker 3: then so, I guess talk about that a little bit,
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Speaker 3: and then we'll get into the fact that you were
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Speaker 3: from a smaller division school and how what that affect
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Speaker 3: what that meant to you. But what about recruiting, who
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Speaker 3: came it to get you? And how did you make
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Speaker 3: the decision?
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Speaker 2: I think what helped me is.
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Speaker 4: I went to Ohio State's football camp as the junior,
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Speaker 4: so I think from what I remember, I think, you know,
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Speaker 4: I was I was able to get exposed their coaching
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Speaker 4: staff then going into my senior year, so I think
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Speaker 4: they had an eye on me.
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Speaker 2: And then I was able to win the.
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Speaker 4: Mister Football Award that year, and I think that that
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Speaker 4: that was sort of the momentum in And certainly I
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Speaker 4: wasn't in a spot to go wherever I wanted to go,
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Speaker 4: But there were a lot of schools that we're going
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Speaker 4: to offer, you know, a scholarship, and it came down
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Speaker 4: to Illinois who was throwing a ball time with Jeff
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Speaker 4: George had just graduated a year or two before. John
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Speaker 4: mcovic was there.
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Speaker 2: U C.
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Speaker 4: L A was the next one in Louisville had Howard
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Speaker 4: Snellenberger that was was down there from via Miami.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 4: They were throwing the ball around a ton. So it
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Speaker 4: really came down to those four schools. But to my
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Speaker 4: high school coaches credit who did not allow us to
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Speaker 4: miss basketball games or even practices to take official visits.
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Speaker 2: I went on one.
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Speaker 4: I went to Ohio State's because we were you know,
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Speaker 4: we were on a sort of another state title run
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Speaker 4: my senior year, and I didn't want to miss any basketball,
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Speaker 4: so I visited Ohio State and then committed.
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Speaker 2: So it was just one and done for me.
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Speaker 3: That's a smart move out of him to keep you
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Speaker 3: keep you locked up in the state of Ohio.
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Speaker 2: I didn't want to miss any I didn't want to
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Speaker 2: miss any basketball games.
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Speaker 3: So that's kop Ozum something.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, what about moving from a smaller division and going up?
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Speaker 3: And I don't know if it's a bigger deal nowadays.
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Speaker 3: You know, even Tavian Saint Clair played in Division three
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Speaker 3: and a Waterston actually here from Columbus beat him last
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Speaker 3: year when he was a junior. What do you think
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Speaker 3: the transition can be like for a quarterback, especially as
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Speaker 3: you had to make it. You did red shirt in
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Speaker 3: ninety one, But what about that going from the small
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Speaker 3: town to the small school to the big city.
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Speaker 4: It was a bigger you know, I'd say to people
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Speaker 4: a lot that it was a bigger adjustment for me
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Speaker 4: going from Saint Henry to Ohio State, then Ohio State
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Speaker 4: to the NFL. I think I was fortunate that I
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Speaker 4: was able to red shirt. You know, that red shirt
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Speaker 4: year I played with a guy named Eddie, George, Terry Glenn, Uh,
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Speaker 4: even Ricky Dudley, you know, uh didn't play right away,
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Speaker 4: and so we all were on the scout team together
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Speaker 4: and we sort of figured out the speed of the
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Speaker 4: game together and we were able to run scout.
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Speaker 2: And I think that sort of period.
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Speaker 4: Of time was was was enough time for me to
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Speaker 4: make that adjustment. And you make it pretty fast. It's
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Speaker 4: it's you know, it's still competition. Just everything happens faster
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Speaker 4: and quicker. Guys are stronger, you have less time to
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Speaker 4: make decisions. But uh, so that I was fortunate that
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Speaker 4: I didn't have to play right away, and I was
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Speaker 4: able to watch Kirk Kirk Street was was the starter
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Speaker 4: that year, and and uh watch guys in front of me, you.
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Speaker 3: Know, and and today obviously a lot of the times
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Speaker 3: they come into school around January. Uh that you know,
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Speaker 3: you wouldn't have been able to play your your senior
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Speaker 3: year of basketball had you decide to do that back then,
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Speaker 3: but it wasn't happening. And and I know obviously a
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Speaker 3: guy like Saint Clair, he's been down to the Woody
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Speaker 3: so many times. So I guess may the transition be
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Speaker 3: a little easier if you if you had that. But
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Speaker 3: but you in and you did red shirt, you played
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Speaker 3: behind Herbshire, you did play some in ninety two. What
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Speaker 3: was that like to kind of get your feet wet?
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Speaker 2: I remember peeing down my leg really.
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Speaker 4: I think it was against Bowling Green maybe, and I
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Speaker 4: actually had to make a check and I just remember
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Speaker 4: not being real sure of the offense yet and and
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Speaker 4: so thank I didn't didn't have to play a lot
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Speaker 4: that year.
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Speaker 2: Uh, but uh, but it's a great experience.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think any any kid from Ohio, I
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Speaker 4: mean I grew up, I didn't have any really any
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Speaker 4: aspirations of playing in the NFL. Is all always to
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Speaker 4: be the quarterback in Ohio State. I mean, that was
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Speaker 4: it for me. That's what I dreamed about being. So
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Speaker 4: so when I had that moment, it was pretty special.
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Speaker 4: And then really anything, you know, the NFL was kind
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Speaker 4: of all gravy for me. I mean I got into
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Speaker 4: a spot where you know, we were successful, you know,
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Speaker 4: my last three seasons, and and uh was able to
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Speaker 4: continue to improve. But I'm telling you, when I when
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Speaker 4: I was at s Henry, you know, they're really the
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Speaker 4: only thing I wanted to do was be the Hio
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Speaker 4: State quarterback.
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Speaker 3: Well that, yeah, that's amazing and certainly you do have
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Speaker 3: dreams come true. Now, in ninety three, you did split
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Speaker 3: times a little bit with a transfer named Brett Powers.
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Speaker 3: I talked to in the first episode with Greg Greg Bella,
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Speaker 3: sorry a little bit about ninety three and how that
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Speaker 3: year kind of to a lot of us, especially at a
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Speaker 3: certain age, that kind of put Ohio State football back.
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Speaker 2: On the map a little bit.
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Speaker 3: I don't know how if you agree with that at all,
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Speaker 3: but if you could describe the prospect of kind of
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Speaker 3: battling for your position. I believe you started every game,
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Speaker 3: but Breck got in and played quite a bit.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think it was a situation where I
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Speaker 4: think if I would have played better as a sophomore,
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Speaker 4: I could have probably earned the spot, you know, and
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Speaker 4: been the full time starter.
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Speaker 2: But I think it probably went like it should off.
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Speaker 4: You know, I've not watched that game film in quite
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Speaker 4: some time, but that's how I remember it, and so
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Speaker 4: I think it was a great learning experience. I can
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Speaker 4: tell you no quarterbacks like a two quarterback system. It's
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Speaker 4: not fun, but it was what I had to deal
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Speaker 4: with and and and sort of battle through. So I
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Speaker 4: think the competition that it brought out in both of
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Speaker 4: us was was great for me, you know, long term.
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Speaker 4: But you mentioned it, I think, you know, I look
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Speaker 4: back at my senior year and maybe the last two
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Speaker 4: years of our time. Ninety four ninety five is sort
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Speaker 4: of the especially on the offensive side of the ball,
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Speaker 4: of really changing the perception of Ohio State football. And
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Speaker 4: I don't take all the credit at all. I mean,
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Speaker 4: we we just had incredible skill guys that I was
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Speaker 4: able to play with, and we went really from run
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Speaker 4: first offense to balance and you know, you know, we
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Speaker 4: set a lot of passing records those those years while
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Speaker 4: Eddie George won the Heisman, you know, running the football.
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Speaker 4: So that's how balanced we were. And you know, looking back,
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Speaker 4: you know, I think before those years, you know, High
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Speaker 4: State was sort of three three yards in a cloud
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Speaker 4: of dust sort of mentality. And and I think after
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Speaker 4: that that dynamic shifted a little bit where we started
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Speaker 4: producing big time wide receivers year after year after year,
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Speaker 4: and running backs and skill guys, and we were more
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Speaker 4: balanced on offense. So that's stuff I look back at
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Speaker 4: really proud of those years.
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Speaker 3: Well to your point, I think in ninety four you
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Speaker 3: set the program record for touchdown passes of the season
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Speaker 3: with only nineteen and then the next year you break
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Speaker 3: it with twenty nine. So yeah, I think you're spot
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Speaker 3: on there. But actually I was looking back at some
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Speaker 3: of the games and I saw the Washington game in
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Speaker 3: ninety three was definitely a kind of a highlight point
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Speaker 3: for you and the team, and I was just laughing
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Speaker 3: at myself a little bit because I'm like, well, of
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Speaker 3: course you're going to do pretty well.
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Speaker 2: Like you've got Joey Gallaway.
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Speaker 3: Chris Sanders, Terry Glynn at that point's returning kicks, but
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Speaker 3: he became obviously a great receiver for you. And in
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Speaker 3: the running back room, Eddie, George Raymont, Harris, Butler Bonoe,
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Speaker 3: I know Smith was there, Robert Smith was there earlier.
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Speaker 3: I mean just the depth of talent that you had
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Speaker 3: to work with.
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Speaker 2: It was the depth of talent.
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Speaker 4: And really the guy that changed it for me was
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Speaker 4: Walt Harris when he came in as a quarterback coach
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Speaker 4: for my senior year from the NFL. He brought in
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Speaker 4: I would say seventy to eighty percent of the West
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Speaker 4: Coast offense what they were running in New York at
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Speaker 4: the time, and that changed it for me. You know,
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Speaker 4: we came out that first year against Boston College and
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Speaker 4: we started throwing to Eddie George out of the backfield,
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Speaker 4: which has never been done before before that time, and
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Speaker 4: consistently doing that. And there were just aspects of the
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Speaker 4: West Coast offense that fit my skill set, make quick decisions,
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Speaker 4: get the ball out, be accurate, and we had success
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Speaker 4: with that, and so I think that really kind of
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Speaker 4: changed it for me personally, you know, and I still
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Speaker 4: text back and forth with coach Harris a lot. He
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Speaker 4: changed my life, you know, he really did. He's huge
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Speaker 4: reason why I was able to get drafted in the NFL,
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Speaker 4: and and uh, you know, just just changed how we
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Speaker 4: approached things on offense and was so positive, you know,
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Speaker 4: just even that short period of time we had together.
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Speaker 4: So you know that that that that changed it a
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Speaker 4: lot for me.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny you mentioned Herbstreet earlier. He was the
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Speaker 3: quarterback in ninety two. The end of that Washington game
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Speaker 3: as a as people mobbed coach Cooper, there was Kirk
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Speaker 3: with his microphone. He had already started doing the sideline reporting.
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Speaker 3: So that was probably funny for you to kind of
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Speaker 3: see your former teammate so quickly he was already on
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Speaker 3: the sidelines.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's funny how that all, how that all works.
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Speaker 4: I remember conversations with Kirk back then because he still
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Speaker 4: was working out at the at the Woody Hayes and
17:41
Speaker 4: he had an opportunity to take i think a job
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Speaker 4: with Worthington Steel or Worthington Industries, and he was asking
17:48
Speaker 4: some advice of what he should do with either that
17:50
Speaker 4: or work with the radio gig that he had in town,
17:55
Speaker 4: and and I and others suggested that he just does
17:59
Speaker 4: tea and radio as long as he can do it.
18:01
Speaker 3: So it's slight sliding doors moments right of what kind
18:06
Speaker 3: of happened if he might be running the company, but
18:08
Speaker 3: we wouldn't have him on.
18:10
Speaker 2: The end game day or anything like that. You know.
18:12
Speaker 3: Tell me a little bit about ninety four because record wise,
18:15
Speaker 3: obviously it wasn't quite what it you'd had in ninety three,
18:18
Speaker 3: and then not what you would have in ninety five.
18:20
Speaker 3: You did get the monkey off your backs as a
18:22
Speaker 3: collective and beat Michigan that year. Tell me a little
18:25
Speaker 3: bit about your your ninety four season and what you
18:27
Speaker 3: remember from that.
18:29
Speaker 2: Ninety four was tough, It was tough on me personally.
18:31
Speaker 4: I think just from the standpoint you know, you have
18:34
Speaker 4: all these dreams about going to Ohio stay and be
18:37
Speaker 4: in the quarterback. And we played a really good Illinois
18:39
Speaker 4: team and they had an incredible defense, and I remember
18:44
Speaker 4: coming up short in that game, and it was tough,
18:46
Speaker 4: man that the fans were tough on us. You know,
18:49
Speaker 4: back then, none of us had cell phones. They weren't
18:51
Speaker 4: invented yet. But we had this thing called the Answering
18:54
Speaker 4: Machine and people could get your number and leave you messages.
18:58
Speaker 4: So the messages were not so kind, you know, after
19:01
Speaker 4: after some of those games. But you know, it's it's
19:06
Speaker 4: you know, it's how you respond to that adversity, I
19:09
Speaker 4: think ultimately, and and and you know, some of our
19:12
Speaker 4: best games were coming off of losses that year, and
19:17
Speaker 4: we were maybe a little bit inexperienced in some spots
19:20
Speaker 4: that showed up for us. And uh, you know, certainly
19:23
Speaker 4: in my junior year, I wasn't playing at the level
19:25
Speaker 4: I did as a senior. So I think you could
19:28
Speaker 4: just you know, it's hard when you're that age to
19:31
Speaker 4: realize it, but you have to fight through adversity and
19:34
Speaker 4: continue to get better.
19:35
Speaker 2: And that's what we did, but that was a tough year.
19:38
Speaker 3: You triggered a memory for me. That nineteen ninety four
19:41
Speaker 3: Illinois game was my first time in the shoe. Oh really, Yeah,
19:45
Speaker 3: I was a sophomore in high school and I got
19:48
Speaker 3: to go to the game and Simeon Rice and Kevin
19:49
Speaker 3: Hardy ruined my day as well as yours.
19:52
Speaker 2: Yeah they were really good.
19:54
Speaker 4: Yeah that that defense was really good and and you
19:58
Speaker 4: know that's you know, we always say they the other
20:02
Speaker 4: side has great players too, and they trained hard, and
20:05
Speaker 4: so I think you just had to dig down deep
20:07
Speaker 4: and continue to fight fight our way through it.
20:10
Speaker 3: I promise you I did not call you and leave
20:12
Speaker 3: you a message that was not me. So I guess
20:15
Speaker 3: even as a high school kid at the time, I
20:17
Speaker 3: couldn't help but look at it. And maybe somebody on
20:19
Speaker 3: ESPN or somebody brought it up to But if you
20:21
Speaker 3: look at that nineteen ninety four Penn State team, Kerrie Collins,
20:25
Speaker 3: k Johnny Carter, Kyle Brady at tight end, Bobby Ingram
20:27
Speaker 3: at receiver, and incidentally, at the time, the only time
20:31
Speaker 3: I've ever placed a wager on Ohio state sporting event
20:35
Speaker 3: was with a classroom friend of mine back at school.
20:38
Speaker 3: I bet him you'd beat Penn State ninety four and
20:40
Speaker 3: I lost. So yeah, that didn't wasn't even close. Yeah,
20:44
Speaker 3: that one was not close. And I've never placed another
20:46
Speaker 3: bet on Ohio State again. But by bring up those
20:49
Speaker 3: guys for a reason, because I wonder if you felt
20:51
Speaker 3: this way the comparison from ninety four Penn State to ninety.
20:54
Speaker 2: Five Ohio State.
20:55
Speaker 3: Yourself, Eddie George, Ricky Dudley comes from the basketball team
21:00
Speaker 3: and it's just amazing at tight end, and you had
21:02
Speaker 3: Terry Glenn whin the Bolitnikoff at receiver. Did you ever
21:05
Speaker 3: kind of think in ninety four going into ninety five,
21:08
Speaker 3: or while you're training in the offseason about that idea of, hey,
21:11
Speaker 3: they did this, let's do it again.
21:14
Speaker 4: Maybe not not directly like that, but I remember one
21:17
Speaker 4: of the first things Walt Harris said to me in
21:20
Speaker 4: the weight room after maybe a week into spring practice
21:26
Speaker 4: is basically he said, you know, our skill on offense
21:29
Speaker 4: is good or better than anything they had at the
21:31
Speaker 4: New York Jets the year before that. Yeah, and I
21:34
Speaker 4: thought he was just you know, blowing smoke, and but
21:37
Speaker 4: he was serious. You know, he was serious. He was
21:40
Speaker 4: dead serious. And I think that's kind of maybe when
21:43
Speaker 4: we all started believing, you know, we we collectively as
21:47
Speaker 4: a group could do something special, and and and and
21:51
Speaker 4: you saw it. You know, this past year with the
21:53
Speaker 4: Ohio States team, you know, we were we had a
21:55
Speaker 4: lot of seniors, we had a lot of experience, and
21:57
Speaker 4: I think that all sort of paid off in ninety five.
22:00
Speaker 3: Memories of that year, certainly the Notre Dame game. First
22:02
Speaker 3: time since like nineteen thirty six, Higher State was playing
22:05
Speaker 3: Notre Dame. What do you recall, Especially the quarterback on
22:08
Speaker 3: the other side was touted as a big time quarterback,
22:12
Speaker 3: but you and your teammates really got the job done.
22:14
Speaker 2: Yeah.
22:15
Speaker 4: It's funny because you know, when we were playing them
22:18
Speaker 4: this year, I knew they would start running game film
22:21
Speaker 4: of ninety five and all the other High State Notre
22:24
Speaker 4: Dame games. But you look back in that game, you know,
22:26
Speaker 4: we were pretty we're kind of off. That first quarter,
22:29
Speaker 4: we didn't score any points and so it ended up
22:31
Speaker 4: scoring I think forty four.
22:34
Speaker 2: The rest of the way.
22:35
Speaker 4: But it was I tell people, a top five moment,
22:39
Speaker 4: top five day in my life.
22:40
Speaker 2: You know, when you beat Notre Dame. It was such
22:44
Speaker 2: hype leading up to that game.
22:46
Speaker 4: We hadn't played them since the thirties or late twenties,
22:50
Speaker 4: you know, and there's so you know, the alumni base
22:52
Speaker 4: is so large for Notre Dame and for Higo State.
22:55
Speaker 4: And it was a beautiful I mean the most beautiful
22:58
Speaker 4: Saturday afternoon that you could have to play football. And
23:02
Speaker 4: and and it turned out awesome for us. And and uh,
23:07
Speaker 4: you know the long pass that that Terry ended up
23:11
Speaker 4: catching a twelve yard little hook route, uh and taking
23:14
Speaker 4: it the distance you know, eighty yards was was as
23:17
Speaker 4: loud as I've ever heard of the stadium is just
23:19
Speaker 4: an incredible moment for a for me and the rest
23:22
Speaker 4: of the team.
23:23
Speaker 2: So just awesome.
23:25
Speaker 4: And then after you beat Notre Dame like that, you know,
23:27
Speaker 4: for for weeks, you know, it's all anybody.
23:29
Speaker 2: Wanted to talk about, you know. But you look back
23:32
Speaker 2: at that ninety five.
23:33
Speaker 4: Season and uh, just the strictest schedule and some of
23:37
Speaker 4: the teams that we played, you know, Boston College to start, Washington,
23:44
Speaker 4: Notre Dame, uh, and then I think we went right
23:47
Speaker 4: right into Penn State. Pitt was another preseason or pre
23:50
Speaker 4: big tense game that we played. So we had we
23:54
Speaker 4: you know, we had a really strong schedule, you know
23:57
Speaker 4: that that year.
23:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, Eddie George goes for three fourteen against Illinois. All
24:02
Speaker 3: of you kind of collectively got the monkey off your
24:04
Speaker 3: backs for the loss that you'd had the year before
24:06
Speaker 3: against them, and just an amazing day. Actually, going back
24:09
Speaker 3: to the nerd d game, my stepfather, he grew up
24:12
Speaker 3: in a Catholic household. Actually he went to Waterston here
24:15
Speaker 3: in Columbus, and his dad was a Nerdingen fan. He
24:18
Speaker 3: was an High a State fan, and he wore a
24:20
Speaker 3: T shirt to the game that said Rudy sucks. So
24:25
Speaker 3: very very big moment in the household there for us.
24:28
Speaker 3: But talk a little bit about the Illinois game. It
24:30
Speaker 3: starts snowing a little bit that day, Eddie goes for
24:33
Speaker 3: three fourteen.
24:35
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was terrible weather, you know, and you know,
24:39
Speaker 4: Eddie had just a monster day. And then he ends
24:41
Speaker 4: up winded up. I don't know if it was second
24:44
Speaker 4: third long down towards the goal line, and it made
24:47
Speaker 4: an awesome catch, you know, back of the end zone
24:52
Speaker 4: late and I think late in that game, and I
24:55
Speaker 4: remember saying to somebody like that, I think that seals
24:57
Speaker 4: for the heisman. You know, I feel like, you know,
25:00
Speaker 4: he had such a monster of a game, and and
25:03
Speaker 4: then and then to to you know, to to have
25:05
Speaker 4: a touchdown you know, catching as well, catching the touchdown
25:09
Speaker 4: pass was was awesome for him.
25:12
Speaker 3: So and he'd had to fumble I guess freshman year
25:14
Speaker 3: in ninety two against them as well, So certainly some
25:17
Speaker 3: redemption in a large part for him. So ninety five,
25:20
Speaker 3: your tenth in the Heisman voting. Eddie goes on and
25:22
Speaker 3: wins it, your first team All Big Ten. Back to
25:27
Speaker 3: the the idea that the offense had changed school record
25:29
Speaker 3: four hundred and seventy five points at the time. Again,
25:32
Speaker 3: twenty nine touchdown passes was a record at the time.
25:36
Speaker 3: You got penned state back. You threw for three fifty
25:38
Speaker 3: four against them. That was a big day for you.
25:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it, you know, to go back because
25:44
Speaker 4: of the way the Big Ten season was, as they
25:47
Speaker 4: were coming into the Big Ten, we had to go
25:48
Speaker 4: back to back to Happy Valley, and so to exercise
25:53
Speaker 4: the demons of the year before and actually go back there.
25:56
Speaker 4: And then we won, you know, game winning drive right
25:59
Speaker 4: at the end of game, Ricky caught up, uh, you know,
26:03
Speaker 4: one of the most iconic plays we had as a
26:05
Speaker 4: group to convert, you know, in that last two minute
26:10
Speaker 4: drive and Eddie ultimately goes in and scores.
26:15
Speaker 2: But it was, yeah, it was it was an awesome run.
26:17
Speaker 2: You know.
26:17
Speaker 4: I think I think we covered as a team every
26:20
Speaker 4: single game up until Michigan, you know, and and I
26:24
Speaker 4: think we're second maybe in the country at the time,
26:27
Speaker 4: and it was just it was an incredible run for us.
26:30
Speaker 3: It was I mean, you set the school record for
26:31
Speaker 3: passing yards in a season at the time with thirty
26:33
Speaker 3: two sixty nine, so that was around seven hundred yards
26:36
Speaker 3: more than arch Schleister's nineteen eighty two records. So again,
26:39
Speaker 3: the tribute to well Harris, tribute to you and all
26:41
Speaker 3: the weapons you had.
26:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think I think the thing maybe gets
26:45
Speaker 4: lost and it's not just the quarterback that experiences it's
26:49
Speaker 4: the offensive line. But you know, we were still a
26:51
Speaker 4: team back then that huddled. We huddled all the time.
26:54
Speaker 4: I never took a I never took a snap from shotgun,
26:57
Speaker 4: you know, I was always under center.
26:59
Speaker 2: So you know, teams are up tempo now.
27:02
Speaker 4: I don't know what percentage more plays we have on
27:05
Speaker 4: offense today versus you know, thirty years ago, but it's
27:08
Speaker 4: significantly more so I think from an efficiency standpoint, you
27:12
Speaker 4: know that those offenses were, you know, at the tops
27:16
Speaker 4: of the list, you know, with with anything that that
27:18
Speaker 4: Ohio States ever had.
27:20
Speaker 3: Well again, in ninety four, I was telling you, I
27:22
Speaker 3: went to that Illinois game. I sat in b deck
27:25
Speaker 3: in the right in the north end zone, and I
27:27
Speaker 3: remember grabbing my stepdad's binoculars and looking through them, and
27:30
Speaker 3: ninety four, I believe you would have had stringer and
27:32
Speaker 3: pace right, So I mean just incredible, like you know,
27:35
Speaker 3: the size of the holes they would make and those
27:38
Speaker 3: sorts of things.
27:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, And looking back at those years, you know, we
27:41
Speaker 4: had a ton of guys that decided to leave after
27:45
Speaker 4: their junior year, you know, and came out early, and
27:48
Speaker 4: Big Daddy left after his rich Ard sophomore year.
27:51
Speaker 2: Seawan Springs was an early.
27:53
Speaker 4: Guy to the NFL, Lorenzo Styles, Craig Powell, ton of
28:00
Speaker 4: guys Terry Glenn that ended up not staying for their
28:03
Speaker 4: senior year. And I always look back and like, if
28:05
Speaker 4: we could have just kept everybody together through their senior year,
28:08
Speaker 4: you know, maybe we would have won another one or
28:10
Speaker 4: two national titles for coach Cooper.
28:13
Speaker 2: But it just didn't didn't turn out that way. You know.
28:16
Speaker 3: Greg Bell, sorry, I was saying there a week or
28:18
Speaker 3: two ago that he went down to Atlanta and saw
28:20
Speaker 3: the national title game, and he looked around at some
28:24
Speaker 3: of his former teammates and thought, man, if we could
28:26
Speaker 3: have had a playoff in ninety five or ninety six,
28:28
Speaker 3: or even ninety three, but ninety five or ninety six,
28:31
Speaker 3: I mean, the damage you guys could have done.
28:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's it's funny how close this year renumbled
28:38
Speaker 4: our ninety five season. You know, we ended up getting
28:41
Speaker 4: beat by a touchdown my senior year up in Michigan.
28:44
Speaker 4: We still would have qualified easily for a playoff this year,
28:47
Speaker 4: you know, if we would have had that in place.
28:49
Speaker 4: But you know, I also say this, if we would
28:52
Speaker 4: have had nil and transfer portal, that ninety five team
28:55
Speaker 4: would have never been what it was. You know, Luke Fickle,
28:58
Speaker 4: Mike Rabel, all the guys that Brian Miller, Greg bellisar,
29:02
Speaker 4: all the guys that we knew on defense and offense.
29:05
Speaker 4: You know, Eddie George could have left after not playing
29:08
Speaker 4: very much as sophomore junior year. And so you know,
29:13
Speaker 4: I look back at that time and I'm like, you know,
29:15
Speaker 4: I'm I'm very happy that I played when I did
29:18
Speaker 4: because of the teams that we ended up sort of
29:21
Speaker 4: being together over four or five years together.
29:24
Speaker 3: Oh, just a great time and certainly again for me
29:27
Speaker 3: to kind of come as age as a fan that
29:29
Speaker 3: was that was very fun, very exciting time to be
29:32
Speaker 3: an high state fan, for sure. And you're drafted in
29:35
Speaker 3: the third round by the Eagles the following spring. Ray
29:39
Speaker 3: Rhodes was your coach. I guess, take me through it.
29:41
Speaker 3: You appeared in games for five seasons with the Eagles
29:44
Speaker 3: and Raiders. You started thirteen games over ninety seven and
29:48
Speaker 3: ninety eight. You mentioned earlier in the interview here that
29:51
Speaker 3: the transition from high school to college was not as
29:54
Speaker 3: or was bigger than the transition from college to pro.
29:57
Speaker 3: But take me through that a little bit, because it's
29:59
Speaker 3: got to be different.
30:00
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah. I think it's.
30:03
Speaker 4: You know, you have you know, this year's Eagles team
30:07
Speaker 4: that then went in the Super Bowl, their head coach
30:10
Speaker 4: had had a saying I thought was was awesome. You
30:12
Speaker 4: can't be great without the greatness of others, you know.
30:15
Speaker 4: He said that a few times after the Super Bowl game,
30:17
Speaker 4: and I thought that was just so awesome thing to say,
30:20
Speaker 4: and it really takes an entire team, and you know,
30:24
Speaker 4: uh so so thankful the experiences I had in Philadelphia
30:28
Speaker 4: and Oakland both were a little bit different. But you know,
30:34
Speaker 4: you have to be in the right place, right time,
30:36
Speaker 4: you know, and I think certainly you have to take
30:39
Speaker 4: advantage when when the opportunities are put.
30:41
Speaker 2: In front of you.
30:42
Speaker 4: You know, Philly's a hard time to play, and you know,
30:44
Speaker 4: we I played a lot my second year, started the
30:47
Speaker 4: last half of that season, we almost get in the playoffs.
30:50
Speaker 4: And I'm telling you that that off season was you
30:53
Speaker 4: were like a rock star. You know, we could, I
30:56
Speaker 4: did appearances, made a lot of money.
30:59
Speaker 2: And that third year you come back.
31:02
Speaker 4: We were three and thirteen, and they absolutely hated me,
31:06
Speaker 4: you know.
31:06
Speaker 2: And then I get traded out to Oakland.
31:08
Speaker 4: So I saw the very best of playing in Philadelphia
31:12
Speaker 4: and the you know, maybe the darker side or the
31:15
Speaker 4: harder side of not being a winner, you know, in Philadelphia.
31:19
Speaker 4: So but I love Philly. I love my time there.
31:22
Speaker 4: I met some great friends, great teammates, and so thankful
31:27
Speaker 4: that you know, I met John Gruden, was our offensive
31:30
Speaker 4: coordinator and a big reason why I got traded out
31:33
Speaker 4: to Oakland.
31:34
Speaker 2: Ultimately, when he took that job out there.
31:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, and certainly that West Coast offense kind of continuing
31:39
Speaker 3: to pay dividends for you, right, You probably didn't have
31:42
Speaker 3: to change too much of what maybe verbiage change, but
31:44
Speaker 3: you kind of knew the concepts.
31:46
Speaker 2: Yeah.
31:46
Speaker 4: Well it's it's awesome this story. You know, Andy Reid
31:50
Speaker 4: marks my time, I guess going to Oakland. So when
31:52
Speaker 4: Andy was the head coach, drafted Donovan McNabb. He brings
31:57
Speaker 4: me in after three or four mini camp and said,
32:01
Speaker 4: I'm gonna trade you. I can get a fifth round
32:04
Speaker 4: draft pick from two teams, either Cincinnati or Oakland. And
32:09
Speaker 4: you know, Coach Reid looked me right in the eye
32:11
Speaker 4: and said, your choice. You tell me where you want
32:14
Speaker 4: to go. So I am so thankful to coach Reed
32:17
Speaker 4: for allowing you know me to do that. He was
32:20
Speaker 4: getting the same draft pick for me, and I chose
32:23
Speaker 4: Oakland because John Gruden was out there. I fly out,
32:28
Speaker 4: I get trade to fly out there. We are actually
32:31
Speaker 4: playing a Monday night football game four days later, and
32:35
Speaker 4: I played three quarters of that game with basically you know,
32:40
Speaker 4: fifty three guys or sixty guys I didn't know. The
32:42
Speaker 4: only guy I knew out there was was Ricky Dudley.
32:44
Speaker 4: He was the tight end. But to your point, you know,
32:48
Speaker 4: the offense was pretty much the same. You know, I
32:50
Speaker 4: crammed for a couple of days in the hotel room
32:53
Speaker 4: and got up to speed. But but yeah, so thankful
32:57
Speaker 4: that I had that experience in the West Coast offense
32:59
Speaker 4: and quickly transferred to to another team.
33:02
Speaker 3: You made the right choice. But as a Bengals fan,
33:04
Speaker 3: I would have I would have enjoyed seeing your suit
33:07
Speaker 3: up for for the Bengals and you could have played
33:09
Speaker 3: in the city where your grandfather played.
33:10
Speaker 2: That would have been something. Yeah, that was definitely a draw.
33:12
Speaker 4: But I think, you know, just just for me, you know, professionally,
33:15
Speaker 4: it was a better decision. And we had some good
33:18
Speaker 4: teams out in Oakland as well, so it was a
33:21
Speaker 4: pretty easy one for me to make.
33:23
Speaker 3: Well, how tough was the decision to make to move
33:26
Speaker 3: on from playing football? At what point did you kind
33:28
Speaker 3: of make that decision?
33:29
Speaker 2: And and and how tough was it? Yeah? It was tough.
33:32
Speaker 4: I think you know that last year in Oakland, I
33:36
Speaker 4: was up, my contract was up, I had hurt my
33:39
Speaker 4: my throwing elbow and kind of left with the decision
33:43
Speaker 4: I could I could maybe try to hang on be
33:45
Speaker 4: a third string quarterback for a few more years potentially,
33:51
Speaker 4: But I had I had started investing in real estate.
33:55
Speaker 4: Really at the end of my rookie year when I
33:57
Speaker 4: was playing in Philadelphia, I came home in the off see,
34:00
Speaker 4: I trained back in Columbus. So I met my partner,
34:03
Speaker 4: and I started investing in some deals, you know, back then,
34:07
Speaker 4: And so I had to make a decision. I can
34:09
Speaker 4: I could hang on and maybe play for a few
34:11
Speaker 4: more years, nothing guaranteed or you know.
34:15
Speaker 2: Next chapter of your life starts.
34:16
Speaker 4: And and I'm telling you I made that decision, and
34:20
Speaker 4: for probably two or three years, you're still not in
34:23
Speaker 4: a great place.
34:24
Speaker 2: You know.
34:25
Speaker 4: I wouldn't call it necessarily depressed, but it's hard to
34:29
Speaker 4: replace football. It's hard to replace those moments of having
34:33
Speaker 4: you know, just fifty three dudes acting like they're you know,
34:38
Speaker 4: just kids growing up, you know, in the backyard, you know,
34:42
Speaker 4: having fun playing football. And I think for a lot
34:46
Speaker 4: of guys, it's hard to find what's next, you know,
34:48
Speaker 4: after football is over with. So I was very lucky though,
34:51
Speaker 4: I met a great business partner, Brent Crawford, and and
34:57
Speaker 4: and then every year I got more and more into
34:58
Speaker 4: the business and eventually, you know, you find your way.
35:02
Speaker 4: We had my wife and I lucky to have four
35:05
Speaker 4: kids now and start started our family.
35:07
Speaker 2: And you know, we've called Central Ohio Columbus.
35:11
Speaker 4: You know, I live out in Dublin, UH for the
35:13
Speaker 4: last twenty five years home for us. So you know,
35:17
Speaker 4: thankful that I was able to go to Philadelphia, experienced
35:22
Speaker 4: the East coast, out in Oakland, experience the West coast living,
35:25
Speaker 4: and then you know, realize how good it is back
35:28
Speaker 4: back in Ohio and UH and and you know, we've
35:33
Speaker 4: loved loving here ever since.
35:35
Speaker 2: You've made your mark.
35:36
Speaker 3: Crawford Hoying is the company that you work for, that
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Speaker 3: you co own, and you know, real estate development, management, construction.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you're all around town. I guess
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Speaker 3: it's really neat for US fans to see a lot
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Speaker 3: of you Buck guys come back, and so many are
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Speaker 3: in coaching. I know you've helped that with coaching before,
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Speaker 3: but even in the business world, Greg, with the medical world.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's really neat to see.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, you know, I think it didn't happen overnight.
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Speaker 4: You know, we started as a as a real estate
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Speaker 4: company just buying apartments, you know, with friends and family
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Speaker 4: and gradually grew. I think a lot of kids that
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Speaker 4: come out of college that I've talked to, you know,
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Speaker 4: maybe the last five or ten years, they want to
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Speaker 4: do it right away, you know, they want to be
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Speaker 4: a developer. We didn't develop real estate until we were
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Speaker 4: ten plus years into our real estate career. We had
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Speaker 4: just bought other people's property and managed it and kind
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Speaker 4: of made some mistakes and you learn from them, but
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Speaker 4: build our business, you know, over the last thirty plus years,
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Speaker 4: and and so we're really proud of the projects that
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Speaker 4: we've done here locally and continue to grow. And you know,
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Speaker 4: there's always challenges, you know, interest rates have been up
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Speaker 4: the last couple of years. I tell people, it's always something,
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Speaker 4: you know, it's never exactly easy, you know, and there'll
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Speaker 4: be something five years from now that we're going to
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Speaker 4: have to figure out. So but we just keep trying
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Speaker 4: to do you know, really good projects that people want
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Speaker 4: to see in their neighborhoods and in their communities. And
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Speaker 4: you know, feel like we've done that with Bridge Park
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Speaker 4: and Water Street over in Dayton and a number of
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Speaker 4: other projects that we're working on now. And and and
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Speaker 4: I feel just so lucky that I've found a business
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Speaker 4: and you know, something to do with the rest of
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Speaker 4: my life that is is so similar to some of
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Speaker 4: the things that I had in football.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's very competitive.
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Speaker 4: You know, we have a team of people you know,
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Speaker 4: at our company that are working on these projects together.
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Speaker 4: You win some, you lose some, you learn from your mistakes,
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Speaker 4: and uh, you have sort of the joys of success,
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Speaker 4: you know when you close a big deal where you
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Speaker 4: you create, you know, a project in and have a
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Speaker 4: grand opening or whatever it might be. So just really
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Speaker 4: thankful that I've I've been able to find something that's
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Speaker 4: been so gratifying for me.
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Speaker 3: Well, Bob, thanks so much for all your time today.
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Speaker 3: It just it's been a real treat for me to
37:54
Speaker 3: get to go down memory lane with you a little
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Speaker 3: bit on some of some of the highlights of your
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Speaker 3: career and your time at a high State, but even
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Speaker 3: and hearing about everything you're into now. Thanks so much
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Speaker 3: for your time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
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