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The Late Debate | 2 December · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late General, Welcome to the Late Debate. Thanks for joining
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  Speaker 1: us on the Late Debate. I'm James Macpherson with Caleb
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  Speaker 1: Bond and freyer Leitch. Coming up tonight. The South Australian
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  Speaker 1: Liberal Party in absolute confusion over the state's voice to Parliament.
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  Speaker 1: Will take a look at what they've said this week
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  Speaker 1: and you can see if you can make any sense
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  Speaker 1: of it. We sure can't. Plus, A mum says she'll
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  Speaker 1: sue the Education Department after her fourteen year old was
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  Speaker 1: subjected to a sexually explicit school presentation and a banking
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  Speaker 1: executive is sacked for a Christmas party prank? Was it
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  Speaker 1: really that bad? We'll get into it shortly and you
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  Speaker 1: can make your decision. But first, if you've ever had
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  Speaker 1: the misfortune of being hospitalized, you'll know that hospital food
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  Speaker 1: isn't exactly great. You can usually rate hospital food somewhere
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  Speaker 1: between school camp slop and an airline meal that's completely
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  Speaker 1: given up on life. Unless you're an Indigenous patient at
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  Speaker 1: Royal Melbourne Hospital. The Royal Melbourne Hospit has just launched
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  Speaker 1: a menu especially for Aboriginals. They've been boasting on social
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  Speaker 1: media this week that and I quote our first nation's
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  Speaker 1: Health Unit and Dietetics department have teamed up to create
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  Speaker 1: a Victorian First, a menu designed to help improve the
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  Speaker 1: hospital experience for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander patients. It
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  Speaker 1: goes on to say that the menu for Aboriginal patients
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  Speaker 1: offers lemon, myrtle, roast, chicken, baked barrel, mundy, kangaroo sausages,
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  Speaker 1: and curried sausages, which, if nothing else, proves hospitals can cook.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently they've just been choosing not to. A spokesperson for
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  Speaker 1: the hospital said the mob menu, that's what they're calling it,
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  Speaker 1: was a small gesture to improve the hospital experience of
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  Speaker 1: indigenous patients. Caleb, what about the hospital experience of Chinese patients,
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  Speaker 1: or African patients, zor Alaskan patients?
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  Speaker 2: That's right?
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  Speaker 3: As a child, Well, I'm not a Chinese patient, but
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  Speaker 3: where I one, I would be demanding that I have
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  Speaker 3: my peaking duck pancakes delivered to my bed please. How
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  Speaker 3: can you justify having a separate menu for a different
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  Speaker 3: racial group. And look, I mean you saw the images there.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it looks okay, but it doesn't look outstanding,
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  Speaker 3: which is kind of what you expect.
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  Speaker 2: Of hospital food.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean roast chicken with potato and vegetables. It
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  Speaker 3: was a staple for me as a kid. I mean
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  Speaker 3: curried sausages wasn't a staple for me as a kid,
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  Speaker 3: but I know is a staple and has been a
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  Speaker 3: staple for a very long time.
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  Speaker 2: In many Australian houses.
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  Speaker 3: Barrow Munday, that's a staple in my house these days.
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  Speaker 3: Kangaroo sausages, I hope mine kangaroo. I quite enjoy kangaroo
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  Speaker 3: actually actually, and I enjoy sausages as well. So it
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  Speaker 3: sounds like all of this is a menu that I
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  Speaker 3: would like to eat and I would like to have
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  Speaker 3: served to me if I go to hospital.
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  Speaker 2: But I suppose, because as.
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  Speaker 3: Far as I know, I don't have any Indigenous blood,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not entitled to it. Surely, again, like we often
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  Speaker 3: say with many of these, that's just pure racism. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: what are you telling me that if you made a
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  Speaker 3: bulk roast chicken that an Aboriginal patient wouldn't eat it
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  Speaker 3: unless you put a bit of lemon myrtle on.
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  Speaker 2: The top of it.
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  Speaker 3: Like, come up, that's the difference, you know, roast chicken
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  Speaker 3: with lemon myrtle, baked barramundi with lemon myrtle.
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  Speaker 2: I don't get it. I honestly don't get it.
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  Speaker 4: It does seem just so strange.
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  Speaker 5: And the reality is most Indigenous people today eats a
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  Speaker 5: very similar diet to what any other Australian is eating.
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  Speaker 5: So the idea that you would have this separate menu
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  Speaker 5: just for Aboriginals, I mean, what is Aboriginal cuisine just
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  Speaker 5: adding kangaroo or lemon myrtle? I think that seems a
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  Speaker 5: little bit patronizing actually, But apparently twenty percent of hospitals
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  Speaker 5: in Victoria have separate Aboriginal menus and they're calling them
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  Speaker 5: mob menu. Why can't we all just be treated the same?
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  Speaker 5: All this does is further so division between Indigenous and
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  Speaker 5: non Indigenous people. We should all be treated the same.
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  Speaker 5: This food actually looks really nice, but it shouldn't be
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  Speaker 5: given out just on the basis of someone's skin color
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  Speaker 5: or their ancestry.
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  Speaker 1: The decision to go with this was prompted by a
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  Speaker 1: survey the Royal Melbourne Hospital did of other hospitals that
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  Speaker 1: found seventy two percent of hospitals offered halal food, fifty
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  Speaker 1: two percent offered kosher food, but very few offered an
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  Speaker 1: indigenous menu and they were shocked to discover it is
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  Speaker 1: completely different. Seventy two percent of hospitals said they hadn't
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  Speaker 1: even considered an indigenous menu, which is hardly surprised. That's
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  Speaker 1: shocking news. I maybe never even thought about it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything anywhere that sees Indigenous people
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  Speaker 3: are duty bound who only eat things with lemon myrtal on,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like unlike halal and kosher, which is a religious.
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  Speaker 2: Code about what you can and cannot eat.
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  Speaker 3: I just want to know Hospital barrel MUNDI do we
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  Speaker 3: reckon Hospital barre Mundy is going to be any good
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  Speaker 3: or not?
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  Speaker 2: Like it sounds like that could be a one way
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  Speaker 2: ticket to food boy.
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  Speaker 1: I just love that they boasted this is a Victorian first.
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  Speaker 1: Will all of these things happen first in Victoria?
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  Speaker 2: Where elsewhere else?
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  Speaker 3: While we're doing about indigenous issues Over in my native
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  Speaker 3: South Australia, the Liberal Party seems to be having some
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  Speaker 3: difficulty working out what its thoughts are on the Voice
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  Speaker 3: de Parliament. Our South Australia has a Voice de Parliament.
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  Speaker 3: The Melanawskis government introduced that a couple of years ago,
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  Speaker 3: and depending who you listened to well. They all say
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  Speaker 3: in the Liberal Party that it's not quite up to scratch,
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  Speaker 3: but they have very different ideas about what needs to
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  Speaker 3: be done with it.
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  Speaker 2: Now, have a listen to.
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  Speaker 3: The leader of the Liberal Party in South Australia, the
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  Speaker 3: opposition leader, Vincent Tarsia. He was on the ABC this
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  Speaker 3: morning and he was asked what he thought of the
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  Speaker 3: Voice to Parliament.
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  Speaker 6: Vincent Tarzik, can we move to the state based voice?
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  Speaker 6: What is your position? Will you repeal the voice or
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  Speaker 6: reform it?
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  Speaker 7: I think it's been over bureaucratic and I can't see
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  Speaker 7: a situation where long term the voice continues.
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  Speaker 6: With respect, lady, you're not answering the question. It's a
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  Speaker 6: very straightforward question. Will you reform the voice or will
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  Speaker 6: you repeal it?
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  Speaker 7: Well, as I said, this body has been set up, right,
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  Speaker 7: it's been set up. I've never liked it, and be
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  Speaker 7: very clear about that. They have set out some things
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  Speaker 7: that they say that it would do. I don't think
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  Speaker 7: they're being met and if that continues, I can't see
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  Speaker 7: a situation where it continues.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, you can't see a situation, but will you get
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  Speaker 5: rid of it if you had the power to do so?
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  Speaker 7: Well, if I had the power to do so, it's
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  Speaker 7: absolutely something that I would contemplate. But there is a
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  Speaker 7: review and I think that's the time you would do.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 3: There you are the state or position leader in South
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  Speaker 3: Australia this morning on the ABC saying that he would
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  Speaker 3: consider getting rid of the Voice to Parliament if he
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  Speaker 3: had that power available to him. Meanwhile, roughly the same
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  Speaker 3: time on the opposition station, the commercial talk backstation in
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  Speaker 3: Adelaide Double A, they were talking to the deputy opposition
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  Speaker 3: leader in South Australia, Josh Tigue, and he had a
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  Speaker 3: rather different view of things. And keep your eye here
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  Speaker 3: on the faces of the host, David Pempathy and Will Goodings,
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  Speaker 3: because they cannot believe, as you will see what mister
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  Speaker 3: Tigue is telling them.
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  Speaker 6: Be fair to say a vote for Vincentarzi will see
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  Speaker 6: a strengthening of the voice here in South Australia, of
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  Speaker 6: the Voice to Parliament.
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  Speaker 8: I'd say that that will certainly occur. And what will
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  Speaker 8: occur is that is that what will happen is you'll
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  Speaker 8: have a body that will be able to inspire confidence
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  Speaker 8: not only among broaders South Australians, but among Ooriginal people themselves.
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  Speaker 8: It's a defective model. It should surprise nobody that it
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  Speaker 8: hasn't actually proved.
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  Speaker 7: To be justh Can I just ask exactly the same
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  Speaker 7: question again, because you just said again that the voice
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  Speaker 7: is defective.
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  Speaker 2: Will there still be a voice under Atarzi a liberal government?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, there will. But the magic is not in the name, David.
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  Speaker 8: The magic is in the work that it does.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they can't believe it.
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  Speaker 3: Penbo God bless him goes back.
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  Speaker 9: And asks the question again, just just to be sure
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  Speaker 9: there will be a voice if there is a TARGI, yes,
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  Speaker 9: he says, I guarantee it, absolutely, there will be I.
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  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Tarzi's over on the AVC saying that he would
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  Speaker 3: consider getting rid of it if he had the power
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  Speaker 3: available to him. I'm not sure what the truth actually
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  Speaker 3: is here. I suspect you probably take the leader's word
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  Speaker 3: over the deputy leader's word. But how bad is it
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  Speaker 3: when you have the leader on one radio station saying, yep,
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  Speaker 3: I don't like it, I'd consider getting rid of it.
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  Speaker 3: And meanwhile, you've got your deputy on another station saying, actually,
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  Speaker 3: we would strengthen the voice, and there will absolutely be
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  Speaker 3: a voice under the liberal goal.
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  Speaker 5: Well, they're saying the Voice doesn't inspire much confidence. The
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  Speaker 5: South Australian Liberals are inspiring even less with that response.
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  Speaker 5: How can you have two ministers on air at the
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  Speaker 5: same time giving two completely contradictory responses to one of
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  Speaker 5: these central issues in Australian politics. Right now, sixty four
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  Speaker 5: percent of South Australia voted no, the highest no vote
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  Speaker 5: just behind Queensland. Every single electorate in South Australia voted no,
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  Speaker 5: including inner city electorates. If they were smart, they would
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  Speaker 5: actually have a firm, clear position on this. Sounds like
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  Speaker 5: that's where TAZI is trying to go, but just completely
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  Speaker 5: muddled and confused. But this would be a vote winner
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  Speaker 5: for them, And it honestly seems like Indigenous people in
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  Speaker 5: South Australia don't really care about this voice either. Turnout
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  Speaker 5: at the first elections for the Voice in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 5: four was less than ten percent. Two and a half
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  Speaker 5: thousand people in the entire state voted for the Voice,
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  Speaker 5: So no one wants this.
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  Speaker 4: The people don't want this.
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  Speaker 5: The Indigenous community is completely disengaged in this process.
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  Speaker 4: The whole thing is very bureaqual.
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  Speaker 5: They have six local First Nation voices, two raps from
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  Speaker 5: each of those go into the state one. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: the whole thing is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: Got more voices than acquire.
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  Speaker 5: Well, but the Liberals if they can't actually have a
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  Speaker 5: clear message on this, well the voice is confusing, but
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  Speaker 5: the Liberals message is even more confusing.
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  Speaker 1: So you've perfectly outlined why this should be a no
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  Speaker 1: brainer for the South Australian Liberal Party, and yet they're
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  Speaker 1: vacillating over what to do. The Australian reported that this
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  Speaker 1: has not even being debated within the party room with
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  Speaker 1: an election just four months away in Tasmania. So the
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  Speaker 1: problem is when you don't have Canania, sorry in South Australia,
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  Speaker 1: when you don't have convictions, and clearly there's no convictions
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  Speaker 1: here because there's no definitive stance, then it's impossible to
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  Speaker 1: have leadership. And clearly there's no leadership, you've got the
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  Speaker 1: leader and the deputy saying opposing things. And where there's
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  Speaker 1: no leadership, you end up with just a mess and
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  Speaker 1: chaos and confusion. And that's the state of the Liberals.
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  Speaker 1: Sadly not just in South Australia, but we're seeing it
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  Speaker 1: all over the country. Zero conviction, which leads to zero leadership,
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  Speaker 1: which leads to mass confusion and they wonder why they
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  Speaker 1: can't be elected at a state level.
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  Speaker 3: But what is going through the head of Josh t
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  Speaker 3: to go on to talk back radio and say, under
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  Speaker 3: a Liberal government we would strengthen the voice and there
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  Speaker 3: would absolutely be a voice like.
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  Speaker 2: I cannot understand.
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  Speaker 3: The political acumen that goes into saying that.
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  Speaker 2: As a Liberal Party deputy leader.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember when Bill Shorten was famously asked what
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  Speaker 1: he thought of one of Julia Gillard's policies, He told
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  Speaker 1: the interviewer, whatever she said, I agree with it. And
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  Speaker 1: they said, well what did she say? And he said, well,
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  Speaker 1: whatever it was, I agree with it. If only he
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  Speaker 1: had done that, mister T would have.
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  Speaker 4: Been that is the correct response.
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  Speaker 5: And the reality is in the last three is the
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  Speaker 5: only issue the Coalition has actually won on has been
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  Speaker 5: the voice to Parliament. I wouldn't go backflipping on that now.
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  Speaker 5: It is not a recipe for success. But speaking of
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  Speaker 5: South Australia, some wacky stuff is going on in the
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  Speaker 5: schools down there.
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  Speaker 4: A mum is taking.
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  Speaker 5: Legal action against the South Australian state government after her
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  Speaker 5: fourteen year old daughter was exposed to some obscene things
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  Speaker 5: in a course supposedly about respectful relationships. The Respectful Relationship's
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  Speaker 5: course was about promoting LGBTQIA plus inclusivity and acceptance.
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  Speaker 4: But boy, did it go well beyond that.
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  Speaker 5: There were references in the presentation delivered to fourteen year olds.
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  Speaker 5: There were references to best reality, to incest, to sibling
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  Speaker 5: relations disgusting, disgusting stuff, and naturally this has left students
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  Speaker 5: very confused. Mum said a daughter came home and felt
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  Speaker 5: uncomfortable expressing affection to her brother because now she was confused.
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  Speaker 5: But you can have a listen to it in her
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  Speaker 5: own words.
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  Speaker 4: Here she is.
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  Speaker 3: Courtney just said, I didn't want to be their mom,
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  Speaker 3: but I didn't know what to do.
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  Speaker 10: And my daughter comes home and feels uncomfortable hugging her
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  Speaker 10: brother because she's confused about whether that's because it's her brother.
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  Speaker 1: There was zero protection from my daughter that day, zero nothing.
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  Speaker 1: She had no one she could go to.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely horrific.
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  Speaker 5: Students will also shonn a photo of a woman who'd
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  Speaker 5: undergone a double misectomy.
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  Speaker 4: It just like you just wonder one who wrote this course?
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  Speaker 9: Two?
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  Speaker 5: How were there no teachers in the room supervising and
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  Speaker 5: shutting it down when it clearly went so beyond just
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  Speaker 5: you know, acceptance and inclusivity. And if this is going
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  Speaker 5: on in one school in South Australia, thankfully we know
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  Speaker 5: about it because the brave students spoke up and her
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  Speaker 5: mother's now taking action.
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  Speaker 4: But where else is this happening in?
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  Speaker 5: How many other schools are students being exposed to this stuff?
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  Speaker 1: We should point out that the mother has repeatedly requested
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  Speaker 1: from the Relationships Advising Group. She's repeatedly requested the material
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  Speaker 1: that was taught to her daughter and has repeatedly been
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  Speaker 1: denied access to it. If they won't even show mum
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  Speaker 1: what they taught the kids, you can only imagine what
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  Speaker 1: it was that they taught the kids. I'm thrilled she's
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  Speaker 1: taking legal action against the Department of Education, who surely
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  Speaker 1: have a duty of care. As Freyer said, the teacher
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  Speaker 1: wasn't even in the room. They've invited a third party
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  Speaker 1: in left students with a third party that the school
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  Speaker 1: clearly have not vetted properly. I hope she wins her
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  Speaker 1: case and I hope this hits them where it hurts
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  Speaker 1: and becomes a severe warning to schools right around the country.
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  Speaker 1: When we send our kids to sit in your classrooms,
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  Speaker 1: we are trusting you to do what you say you
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  Speaker 1: will do, which is to teach them the essentials of education,
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  Speaker 1: not indoctrinate them with radical gender theory. And god knows
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  Speaker 1: what else they want to teach kids with these days.
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  Speaker 1: As a parent, nothing matters more than your kids. And
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  Speaker 1: when you entrust them to somebody else, you expect that
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  Speaker 1: trust to be you know, upheld. And clearly they've not
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  Speaker 1: done that, and I hope they pay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean the parents were not told what
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  Speaker 3: would be taught beforehand, nor were the students.
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  Speaker 2: They just walked in. And I mean.
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  Speaker 3: It's seriously, is a huge leap to go from like
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  Speaker 3: LGBTQ issues through having sex with your sister, Like.
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  Speaker 2: Where does that come from?
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  Speaker 3: It's just a frankly bizarre thing to end up and
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  Speaker 3: beast reality, how does that end up in a school.
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  Speaker 2: Sex ed program? It makes absolutely no sense.
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  Speaker 3: And you might remember about a decade ago, remember Safe
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  Speaker 3: Schools which was being rolled out across schools in New
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  Speaker 3: South Wales, and there were similar concern about how sexually
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  Speaker 3: explicit that program was, and there was a hullabaloo about
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  Speaker 3: it and eventually something was done about it. And I
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  Speaker 3: hope that's what this achieves, because if you've got that
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  Speaker 3: being taught in classrooms, I mean, in any other situation,
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  Speaker 3: if a parent had a concern about their kid and
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  Speaker 3: how they're going at school and what's happening in the classroom,
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  Speaker 3: you call up the school, you organize a meeting with
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  Speaker 3: the teacher, Go and sit down with the teacher. The
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  Speaker 3: teacher can tell you what's going on. They can tell
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  Speaker 3: you what the kids being taught, and how the kids behaving,
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  Speaker 3: and how they're going on this, and how they're going
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  Speaker 3: on that. They didn't have that option in this case
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  Speaker 3: because it wasn't taught by the teachers. How a school
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  Speaker 3: or a department or any other mob can just farm
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  Speaker 3: it out and then say, oh, well, you know, what
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  Speaker 3: can we do about it now? It is awful, absolutely awful,
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  Speaker 3: and it should never happen again.
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  Speaker 1: You ask how we got here, and I want to
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  Speaker 1: be kis in the way I say this, But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you think about it. Once a society decides that
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  Speaker 1: you can be born in the wrong body, that male
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  Speaker 1: and female are really essentially meaningless terms, do you really
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  Speaker 1: expect that same culture is then going to put sensible
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  Speaker 1: boundaries on anything, or does it become a free for all.
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  Speaker 1: And it seems that's what was promoted in the classroom.
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  Speaker 1: This is not just a problem in Australia, of course,
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  Speaker 1: this is happening all around the Western world. I want
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  Speaker 1: to show you a teacher in Seattle who is helping
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  Speaker 1: to teach kindergarten kids about radical gender theory by reading
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  Speaker 1: them a story about a Teddy bear who is a
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  Speaker 1: boy but wants to become a girl. Have a listen now.
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  Speaker 10: Before we began, I would like to cover some important
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  Speaker 10: words that all really really help us understand this story better.
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  Speaker 10: Gender means a person's feeling about being either a boy
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  Speaker 10: or a girl, neither both, or somewhere in tween. Gender
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  Speaker 10: raw means cultural ways about how men and women are
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  Speaker 10: supposed to act. Thomas the Teddy took a deep breath.
• 18:12
  Speaker 10: I need to be myself Errol in my heart. I've
• 18:15
  Speaker 10: always known that I'm a girl Teddy, not a boy Teddy.
• 18:19
  Speaker 10: I wish man name was Tilly, not Thomas.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I'm old enough to remember when we stopped selling candy
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: cigarettes to kids because kids were impressionable. Have we forgotten
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: how impressionable kids are. It's just ridiculous.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: But they never got rid of the candy cigarette.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: They just changed the name from fags to fags or whatever.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: The point was the recognized kids' minds are malleable. They
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: will believe whatever they're told by a position person of authority.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: That was the rationale for those you know, you're missing
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: my point about that. The point is, what the heck
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: are they doing with that sort of stuff to kids
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: in KINDI I put that much work in the teaching kids'
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: maths or history or English, the world will be a
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: much better place. It's impossible to understand that as anything
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: other than state sponsored manipulation of children's minds.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: One hundred percent.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: And they've been teaching this stuff apparently since twenty seventeen.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: Another book they also recommend students read is called Princess Boy.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Now you can.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: Imagine how that goes. But all of this stuff just
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: confuses children. And if you are a child who already
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: feels confused, insecure, unsure of who you are, you get
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: these messages from the school system or books you've been
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: told to read, and you can internalize that and very
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: quickly kids can start to go, oh yeah, I do
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: feel a little bit uncomfortable in my body. Oh well,
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: I remember Teddy who wanted to be called Tilly and
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: they felt uncomfortable in their body. Oh maybe I was
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: born in the wrong gender. No, this is so oh
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: so wrong. And you're right, James, this is mass brainwashing
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: and manipulation of our children. And when you, I mean
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: the whole wave that video was framed, it almost feels
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: really sinister, like you can feel the propaganda being pushed.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry I went down memory laying there for a second, James.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: I was trying to remember those the candy cigarettes, Remember those,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: not the cigarettes that the big cigar ones.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Remember those ones?
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I remember fags? Yes, were as a kid at school
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: they were available.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: I know, and then by the time I was a kid,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: they changed them to fags, but you still pretended to
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: smoke them like they were a cigarette.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: But it goes back.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: To the point that, as you're saying, kids that young,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: like kindergarten a year five, which is what this this is,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: never into their head like it doesn't exist. There may
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: be a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of kids where
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: there is an obvious issue with gender, but for the
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: rest of them, it's never even into their head.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: They don't think about it.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: They just go to kinder your school and hang out
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: with their friends and want to be with mum and dad.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: That's it, basically.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: And so you introduce the idea to their heads and
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden it's something to think about. And
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: if it doesn't lead to them questioning their own gender,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: because of course that's not going to happen in every.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Case, it confuses them.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: It's just a concept that a kid doesn't have to
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: deal with, and shouldn't have to deal with.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: A kid should just be allowed to be a kid,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: for heaven's sake. Leave them alone. And by the way,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't think.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: That teddy bears had the various bits and bobs that
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: allowed them to have genders. I remember Humphrey be Bear
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: when I was a kid who was on the telly
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: without any pants on, and allegedly he was boy because
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: his name was Humphrey, but you couldn't tell by looking
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: at him.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I was about to say that unit called something.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: I'm not entirely sure. Bring back Humphrey Bee Bear. I
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: reckon and fat Cat. They need fat Cat tell the
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: kids to go to bed. He can come on and
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: tell the kids to put their phones away when we
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: bring in the social media band in a few days.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: But let's move on.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: To some slightly nicer news, shall we in the US?
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Will stick over there at the White House, they put
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: up their Christmas decorations.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: It looks a little different to what it used to
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: look like.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Remember when Joe Biden was president and they had their
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Christmas display and they turned it.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Into well circus basically.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Look, I don't mind to show tune, but I challenge
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: you to make any sense of that. But they've done
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: a slightly better job of it at the White House
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: this year. Here is the first lady running you through.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Now. Look, our producer thinks the Bardon one was more fun,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: But I think that is just nice and tasteful and respectful.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Look.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: I know you can have fun at Christmas stuff, but
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: it irks me when they have the carols shows and
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: you get about three carols and then the rest of
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: it is some garbage made up Christmas music that some
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: person who was on nex Factor or something seven years
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: ago has written a new song, and they.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Let I want Christmas Carols's Christmas time to even sake.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: But in this display they put up ten thousand blue butterflies,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: twenty five thousand feet of ribbons. Don't ask me to
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: put that into new money. Two thousand strands of light,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: eight hundred gold stars, seven hundred feet of garland, one
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: hundred and twenty pounds of gingerbread. My god, Donald Trump
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: will be rolling out of the joint by the time
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: he's done with that. Fifty one Christmas trees and seventy
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: five classic Christmas reeds.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I think it looks good, maself.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: As one commentator said, the White House has gone from
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: crass under Biden to class under Trump, and it's pretty
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: hard to argue with that watching those images.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the White House's Exican, as you can see there.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Said themselves.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: Under Biden it was a circus literally, and under Trump
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: it is all about elegance. And it really is similar
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: symbolic of the shift in the administration and just the
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: whole culture really in Americas. Le One person caption the
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: video of Milania putting up the decorations, saying America is
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: normal again.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: That's what it feels.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: The one thing I wonder imagine if they had have
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: put a Nativity scene in the White House. Imagine how
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the left would have lost their minds. If Trump had
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: dared to mention Jesus at Christian Ah, well they should.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: They've got to pick up the phone to Nicholas Reese
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: because did you see this story the other day that
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: the Melbourne City Council is bringing back the Nativity scene
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: in feed Square after seven years.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, just get Nick Reese to go and do it.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: You yes, so good?
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: Well let's keep on that theme of Christmas. It is
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Christmas party season and many corporates and people are putting
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: on their end of year bashes. But a Christmas party
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: at the NAB Bank went horribly wrong and ended with
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: a senior executive getting fired for pulling what I think
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: is maybe.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Distasteful but just a joke.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: Basically, what happened was he posed as a terrorist. He
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: poses being held hostage, kneeling down with his hands behind
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: his back, and then a junior stood over here with
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: his hands in the symbol of a gun and a
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: towel wrapped around his head, pretending to be a terrorist.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: Now the bank initially stood him down and then now
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: he's been sacked. But I mean, seriously, it was a
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: Christmas party. It wasn't during work hours. People were just
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: having fun. I know, it's not very professional, and he
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: probably should have known better. But are we now getting
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: to a point in the corporate world where you can't
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: even laugh? You can't even have a joke anymore because
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: HR will haul you in and fire you.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, come on, this.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: What makes no sense to me at all? And as
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: you said, the colleague standing over, the person pretending to
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: be a hostage was holding a finger gun.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: What are we.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Offended by finger guns?
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: Now?
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: No one was hurt, no one was ever in danger.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I wonder if the issue was that the person pretending
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: to be the kidnapper posed with a towel on their heads.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: He's the junior in as far as we know, he's
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: not been.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Sacked, right, but perhaps didn't instigate the photo. I don't know.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: It's a mystery as to why that person. That's the
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: only thing I can think of, though, is that they
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: were upset that some might be offended if it were
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: known that they were pointing to a certain kind of
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: person who might commit a terrorist act. That's the only
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: thing that occurs to me that could be offensive about.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Honestly, just get over it.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is the look you know there are
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I hope they don't go and cancel the nab Christmas
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: party now, because you know, this is the world we
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: live in now, where one person stuffs up and then
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: companies go, well, geez, we've got risk here.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: We can't carry the risk.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Anymore because you know, we get sued or this happens
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: or that happens, and so we all miss out on
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: fut But honestly, we shouldn't have to live in a
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: world where we are that sensitive. They made sure an
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: insensitive joke, but it was a joke for a photo.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: It was nothing more.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: When you say it was insensitive, who was it insensitive too?
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Look, look it doesn't ter us. Yeah, it doesn't offend me.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: But I mean, you know, you could draw a long
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: bow and say the families who've got Israeli hostage just
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: in the last year. It wouldn't like it, right, you know,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: it is a long boat. It doesn't offend me. I
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: think we should all just be able to say, Haha,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: it was a joke. Whether you like it or not,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: it's not that offensive. Get over it. Should a guy
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: have to lose his career over this because you know,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: you make one silly joke at a Christmas party and
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: then you lose your job. At U Bank, which is
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: part of the NAB and presumably it makes it difficult
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: for you to go and look for another job, Like, is.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: This really the thing we want to be crucifying? Sorry
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Pet with triggert warning we talked about.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: That Jesus Christ superstils Is that really the sort of
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: thing we need to be throwing people's careers away for?
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought so. I did a quick check
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: before we came on air of news stories involving people
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: sacked after Christmas party pranks, and they all involved sort
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: of sexual activities.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Or all the live in discretion.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, fair enough, but nothing as remotely as inane
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: as the issue for which this guy has been sacked.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: We spoke the other night about a renewable energy project
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: which has resulted in the destruction of agricultural land. No
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: one seems to complain about it when it's done in
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: the name of renewable energy. Well, the Daily Telegraph has
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: pointed to another renewable energy project, this time in the
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Hunter region of New South Wales, which is destroying habitat
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: used by native plants and animals already at risk of extinction.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Dozens of threatened species in the firing line at the
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: site where they're building the Hunter Transmission project. Thirty eight
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: threatened plant species and twenty eight threatened animals, including the
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: critically endangered regent honey eater, the critically endangered swift parrot,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: and the endangered large eared pied bat. Now, what is
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: heartening about this story is that some greenee groups have
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: actually spoken up against this renewable energy project, saying it
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: should go ahead, but somewhere else because maybe in saving
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: the environment we should take into account the environment, so
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: credit where credit's due. The Australian Conservation Fund and the
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Nature Conservation Council have both lobbied the New South Wales
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: government to have this project moved. But the Energy Co
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: which is responsible for it, they've said, we're reducing, we're
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: committed to reducing the impacts of these things. That doesn't
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: mean it's going to be moved. And the acting Energy Minister,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Paul Scully said, well, you know, if we're going to
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: roll out renewable projects, we have quote unquote no choice.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: So in other words, it will continue. Here's what irritates me.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: You can stop a gold mine because of a rainbow serpent,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: but you can't stop a renewable energy project because of
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: endangered animals which may not exist if this thing goes ahead,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: which explain that to.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: Me sounds like they just need to find some local
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: elders to say the birds are sacred, and then maybe
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: they could actually have a chance at stopping this thing.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: But that's right, there's a complete double standard here where
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: the actual environment and protecting its biodiversity and critically engaged
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: species is second to our noble pursuit of green energy.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: But what I want to see is for these greeny organizations,
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: it's the conservation foundation people like that. They're saying, well,
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: we need we need renewables, but we also need to
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: protect the ecosystem. But they've got to realize there's a
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: trade off there. Any renewables will involve damage to the ecosystem.
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: And this is actually a transmission line project. What they're
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: doing is building one hundred and ten kilometers worth of
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: transmission lines to connect up the renewable energy zone to
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: the grid, and to do that they have to clear
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: twenty meters with worth of just empty clearing. That's a
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: huge amount of land that they're clearing. And so what
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: people need to realize is green energy is actually not
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: that green when you think about the transmission lines and
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: all the infrastructure that has to go.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Into it, of course, and they love putting up transmission
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: lines because they're regulatory assets, which means those who pay
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: to put them up are guarantee to get a return
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: out of them. It is just printed money, basically. Remember
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: when they were talking about I think was under the
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Gillard government, you know, gold plating the poles and wires,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: because it's just it's free money. Essentially, you build them,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: you know you're going to get a return. So the
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: investors love building power lines and they'll do so at
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: every opportunity, even if many people in the energy sector
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: say that it is unnecessary to build ten thousand kilometers
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: of power lines, as we keep being told we need
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: to do in order to make the renewable grid work.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: But have a look at some of those birds we
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: were showing you before. I mean, what would you rather
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: ten thousand kilometers of power lines or some beautiful looking birds.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: I can tell you what I would prefer. And if
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: we're talking about I mean, look at that magnificent I
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: mean nature doesn't create power lines, it creates brilliance like that.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: And when you're talking about critically endangered. We're talking about
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: the closest thing to extinction possible, and we're willing to say, yep,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: let's just get rid of that for some.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Power lines so we can have green energy, you.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Know, as well as those beautiful birds. I'd really love
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: affordable power, well, a liable power, it'd be great too.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, maybe the bird could come and deliver
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: that to or perhaps the chances of that happening are
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: about as good as that bird surviving.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about the ABC, shall we? Bit of ABC
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: bashing never goes astray, does it.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: He's another opportunity because you'll remember Antoinette latoof the fill
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: in radio host, who was contracted for one week five shifts.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: I think you've got about two sifts in and then
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: they pulled her off air because she'd been posting stuff
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: on social media about the Israel Gaza conflict. They said, no, no, no,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: we don't like what you have to say or support
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: for Palestine, and she then said, well, Bridge contract sued them.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: We know what went on there. She offered to settle
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: at one point for a little over eighty thousand dollars,
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: but the ABC decided they fighted in thought, and we
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: find out today courtesy of the financial Review, that the
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: money the ABC has spent on it is far more
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: than we previously believed it to be. That the estimate
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: before was about one and a half million. Now the
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: AFR says it is at least two point six million
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: dollars they have spent on this case. Look, maybe if
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: they'd just done their due diligence before they hired miss Latouf,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: we would never have had this problem in the first place.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Because as much as I might disagree with certain things
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: that Latouf has said, I have at various points felt
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: a bit sorry for her because she was hired with
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: all of her social media postings available for anyone to see,
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: and the ABC then says, here's a job to do
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: radio for a week. And then the ABC turns around
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: and said, oh, we don't like the social media posts anymore. Well,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: why did you hire her in the first place? And
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: then why did you dig your heels in when she
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: offered you the way out and you ended up spending
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: two point six million dollars of our money on a
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: mistake that you should never have made to begin.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: And as you said, she worked two shifts, so those
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: are two very expensive radio shifts that the ABC brass
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: failed at every point. It was a mistake to employ
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: her in light of the social media posts which were
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: known to management. It was a mistake to having employed
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: her to terminate her, especially when she only had three
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: days to go. It was a mistake to reject the settlement,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: and it was a mistake to defend it. But guess
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: who pays we do?
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Don't you just love that?
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: You're welcome and Latoufa, that's two hundred and twenty grand
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: you've received in your pocketing damage's courtesy of us. But
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: I will say in the ABC's defense on this one,
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: apparently in the terms of the settlement that Antoinette Latufe
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: was proposing with the eighty thousand dollars figure, one of
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: the terms had to be that she would be reinstated
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: as a fill in host. The ABC claims that's against
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: their policy. They can't offer people jobs as part of
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: a settlement. They then went up to one hundred and
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: fifty k. That's what they offered her before proceeding to court,
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: and she rejected that because she wanted to be reinstated
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: as a fill in host. So I don't know I
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: think they could have just changed their policy if they
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: knew it was going to cost them millions of dollars,
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: which any lawyer would be able to tell you, just
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  Speaker 5: change the policy.
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  Speaker 3: They could have just let her do five days on
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: seven oh two. No one was listening anyway, who.
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  Speaker 1: Kids Exactly right. We're going to go to a break
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  Speaker 1: when we come back, and we'll look at what's making
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  Speaker 1: news tomorrow, including the Albanzy government. Looks like they're going
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: to of aneg on a promise to end jobs for mates.
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  Speaker 1: That's coming up after this. All right, welcome back to
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  Speaker 1: the program. Let's take a look at tomorrow's headlines. You'll
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  Speaker 1: hear them. Hear first, Fray, what's making news in the
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  Speaker 1: Australian tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 5: In the Australian, the headline is Lib's clash on migration
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  Speaker 5: cuts ahead of big reveal. Liberal moderate powerbroker Andrew Bragg
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  Speaker 5: has rejected calls inside the Coalition for savage cuts to
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  Speaker 5: net overseas migration, arguing that a severe clampdown on foreigners
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: entering the country would not fix the housing crisis nor
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: resolve crippling shortages of tradees. Ahead of Susan Lee releasing
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  Speaker 5: the coalition's migration policy principles and directions before Christmas. Senior
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: Liberal MPs have reached out to supporters seeking views on
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  Speaker 5: what the Conservative Party should focus on. In an email
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  Speaker 5: Centilberal members and business stakeholders on Tuesday nights, Senator Bragg
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  Speaker 5: invoked Australia's longest serving Prime Minister, Robert Menzies in defending
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  Speaker 5: the merits of migration while acknowledging pressures on the housing market.
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: This seems very strange given Andrew Bragg's main focus in
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: Parliament is on housing affordability. No one with halfur brain
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: who's done a single subject in economics could deny that
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  Speaker 5: when you add a lot of demand into the system
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: through high immigration, you're going to see prices for housing
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  Speaker 5: go up. I mean, this is the number one thing
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  Speaker 5: you can do to ease housing shortages.
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  Speaker 4: Cut immigration.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little confused by his comments because when you
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: read the article in Tomorrow's Australian, Andrew Bragg says they
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: should not cut immigration numbers, but they should reduce immigration numbers.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: He also says that we need to reduce, not cut,
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  Speaker 1: reduce immigration numbers because under Labour, immigration numbers have surged
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: so there's been a but not enough to cut it,
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  Speaker 1: only to reduce semantics. I think they are so worried
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  Speaker 1: about being labeled racists or xenophobes that they're wetting the
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  Speaker 1: bed on this one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know what, just start saying, yeah, actually
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  Speaker 3: I'm racist. You know, if you start saying throw it
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  Speaker 3: at me, go on, do it and you can't be
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: hurt by it, then you sort of go, oh well,
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  Speaker 3: I'll just weather the storm for a while, because we
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  Speaker 3: know from all the polling that the majority of Australians,
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  Speaker 3: many of whom are migrants by the way, think that
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: we have too many people coming to this country.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty straight up and down. It's an easy vote winner.
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  Speaker 3: And as for the argument that it won't fix the house,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: of course it won't fix the housing crisis. But you
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: don't just say because it won't do all the work,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: we don't do anything about it, like it's a nonsensical
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: argument anywhere on the front of the Canberra Times tomorrow.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: And maybe all of these people who come over here
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: could go and get a job with government and then
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: they can be shoehorned off.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Into a board. Because it says Gallagher.
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  Speaker 3: Not fortuning Galaher not for turning the Albaneezy government has
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  Speaker 3: rejected a key reports recommendations to halt the revolving door
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  Speaker 3: that shuffles former MP's and staffers directly into plumb roles
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  Speaker 3: on public sector boards. Finance Minister Katie Galaher yesterday defended
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  Speaker 3: the decision not to implement a six month ban on
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: such appointments after leaving government eighteen months for former ministers
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  Speaker 3: and their staff, saying the Ministerial Code of Conduct was sufficient.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: There are people who leave work.
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  Speaker 3: In the Parliament who do have the right skills and
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: would be an ascent on government boards and committee committees,
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  Speaker 3: she told a Senate Estimates hearing after releasing the long
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: awaited report of the Review of Public Sector Board Appointments Processes.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Say you could barely think of a more boring title
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  Speaker 3: for a report.
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  Speaker 2: It has to be said.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: But you know the thing is, it's mutually assured distraction.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: No one's ever going to change these rules because everyone
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: does it. It doesn't matter what side of politics you're from.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: It's always jobs for the boys or the girls for
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  Speaker 3: that matter. No one's ever going to change that.
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  Speaker 1: There's two things about this story. When Katie Gallagher announced
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three that this report would be written.
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  Speaker 1: She promised, this will signal the end of the jobs
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  Speaker 1: for mates culture. Now that they've got the results, they've decided, actually,
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to do anything about it. The other
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: thing is they got this report eighteen months ago and
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: they've sat on it a year and a half later.
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  Speaker 1: They finally release it just a few weeks before Christmas.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: No, it's so hypocritical and absurd. And just because everyone
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  Speaker 5: does it doesn't mean they should. The idea that you
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: can sit there as a staffer lining up your next gig,
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: that your boss, as the minister, can stitch up for you,
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: I mean that is an insult to taxpayers.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the front page of tomorrow's
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  Speaker 1: Herald's son A shocking story on the front page school terror.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Students hide under desks after alleged attack. The headline. I
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: got to admit I was not expecting to read this.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Teacher stabs principle. A principle has been stabbed allegedly by
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: a teacher in a distressing and traumatic incident at a
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  Speaker 1: school in Melbourne, South East on Tuesday afternoon. Keyesbra Secondary
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: College principal Aaron Sykes was injured following an alleged altercation
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  Speaker 1: with a teacher. Students forced to hide under desks as
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: the violence unfolded. It's about forty minutes according to the
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: report that kids were locked in classrooms hiding undesks, sorry,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: twenty minutes, told to be absolutely silent as things unfolded.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: The principle has been taken to hospital and he will
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: be okay. So there you go. And this comes just
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: after Remember there was a stabbing. An eleven year old
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: kid allegedly stabbed another student at Brentwood Park Primary School,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: also in Victoria. So there you go. The other interesting
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: story on the front page of The Herald's son MP
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: office breach claim. This one's a funny. One of Victorian
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Liberal MP has admitted to offering same day printing services
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: from his taxpayer funded office to his party's MPs candidates
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: and branch members in a possible breach of parliamentary rules.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Richard Welsh in that it was not against the rules
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  Speaker 1: as he had paid for the printer out of his
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: own pocket. This is some printer. This is not just
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: you know, the printer you might have at home. This
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: printer can print images for corflute signs that you use
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: out the front of houses and so on during election campaigns.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: The rules he may have broken relate not to having
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: a side hustle, but that you can't conduct party related
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: activities from your electric office. He claims he's not, and
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: if he is, it's alfter hours. Anyway, he could be
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: in trouble.
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  Speaker 3: He could be in trouble, and that he probably ought
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: to be. But you know, again, it's one of those
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: everyone is doing it. The Labor Party in Victoria, well
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: you remember the red shirt scandal where they were of
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: course using union labor, et cetera. But also there are
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: allegations not that long ago that party political staff were
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: being told to go to certain meetings, which was causing
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: ractions in the departments, and that staff who were working
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: in electorate offices were essentially doing campaign work during their
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: electorate office hours, which they shouldn't be. So again, it's
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: not just one side of politics, it's all of them.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: But seriously, mate, just put it somewhere else.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Put your printer at home and.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: It wouldn't be Yeah, put it in your house.
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, I totally understand why he would want a
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: commercial printer, and I imagine those services are very valuable
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: to a lot of MPs. You need to print stuff quickly,
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: but maybe don't do it.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: You've got a feel for new Liberal leader Jess Wilson,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: who just gets the job and then the Libs are
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: back on the front page again.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a printer, because of a printer.
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: In the NT News tomorrow, the headline is hotel plan torna.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: A one hundred million dollar hotel project at the Darwin
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: Waterfront has been put on ice after the Singapore and
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: developer behind it terminated the deal. It comes after the
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: Northern Land Council appealed to the Commonwealth to block the
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: project to safeguard a nearby sacred site from desk creation keyword.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: There nearby, not at the site nearby.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: Again I repeat my earlier point. We need to find
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: some elders to protect the birds in the Hunter of acts.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: According to the article, do you know what the desecration
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: is that people would be looking over the site. That's
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: the problem. So there was even a suggestion maybe they
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: get rid of windows from that side of the hotel
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: so people can't look over the sacred site. That apparently
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: was an unsuccessful negotiation, So this thing doesn't go ahead.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Well, I've got an alternative idea. If you can't have windows,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: just put a casino there instead. Troblem solved on the
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Daily Telegram tomorrow. It says cycle of madness.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Moves from the premiere to ban.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: That is New South Wales to ban high powered e
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: baks has backed fresh calls for even greater reforms to
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: keep our streets safe. Cause for tougher rules came as
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: a lineback rider was killed after being hit by a
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: garbage truck in the CBD. Premier Chris Mens yesterday announced
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: that is today New South Wales would ban ebanks with
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: a power output rate than two hundred and fifty watts
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: from next year. It is becoming a serious problem this
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: and kids in particular getting themselves in trouble.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: They're unregulated motorbikes most of them, and you can.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Get electric trail bikes now too. I mean, you know,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: imagine what can doing one of them?
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: And you see these kids, I mean they are flying.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: Long around Crinella. I am by in any beach suburb
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: in Sydney. They are everywhere and they fly. I'm scared
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: walking down the footpath with them coming at me.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: Imagine if you're an elderly person. It's a nightmare.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not scared. I want one. They look, I'm with you.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: They're dangerous. They're dangerous. We're going to go to a
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: break when we come back. The English cricketers have been
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: in all sorts of trouble on the pitch. Now they're
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: in trouble off the pitch. That's next. Well. The English
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: cricketers are not having a good time of it in Australia.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: The first Test in Perth lasted just a couple of days.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Now they're in Brisbane preparing for the second Test and
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: they've taken quite a liking to Bridge, been getting around
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: on East scooters. Here's the problem. Captain Ben Stokes and
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: fast bowler Mark Wood were photographed not wearing helmets now
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: riding an ES scooter in Brisbane without a helmet in
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: curse of one hundred and sixty six dollars. Fine. Sports
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Minister Tim Mander was asked about this and he said no,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: police would not be pursuing fines against the English players. Instead,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: he said what the Pommy cricketers did was very responsible,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: but it has helped us with a new road safety campaign.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Don't be silly like the Pommy cricketers wear your helmet now.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: I would suggest Tim Manda not be put in charge
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: of writing advertising campaign. Not very pithy, clever or funny
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: at all. But better was Transport Minister Brent Mickelberg. He said,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: I don't want to see anyone bowled over on our streets.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Though judging by their recent form, the Poms seemed to
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: prefer getting themselves out, So there you go. They won't
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: be fined. I would say playing for England is punishment enough.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: I think the last bid was much better than the first.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: My god, there wasn't very catchy, was it.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: You know that old saying, if life gives you weeds,
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: turn them into Christmas trees.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Well that is exactly.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: What one counselor has done down in South Australia.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: As you can see there, the.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Former acting mayor of Onkaparinger, Simon McMahon, had spotted a
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: weed on a council verge and he thought, you know
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: you've seen people in graffiti the road where there's potholes
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: to get the counseled and draw penises and stuff on
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: it to get the council to come and do something
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: about it. He said, I'm going to turn this into
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: a Christmas tree. Good on him for turning a weed
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: into a bit of Christmas tree.
• 48:33
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: Well, speaking of Christmas, the Dean of Salisbury has released
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: some great advice on where should we find joy at
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: Christmas and he reassures people God does not judge your
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: tacky Christmas sweaters. He said, God is tasteless too, and
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: that's actually the heart of the good news. God is
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: without a shred of cultural or aesthetic judgment. I'm not
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: so sure about that when you read the Bible, but
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: they go Church of England really speaking to the big issues.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: You say that God had created sunsets and sunrises and
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: all manner of you know, animals, is not esthetically motivated.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I think God doesn't judge you for wearing the tech
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: he sweater, but he does judge the techi.
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there are whole sections of the Bible about how
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: to build a temple, the proportions. God cares about aesthetics,
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: but don't be ashamed.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Of the only that he wants us to wear Christmas jumpers.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: He doesn't know Australians exist, Right.
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  Speaker 1: That's it from us. Stick around. Coming up is the
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  Speaker 1: reader Penny Show. Good Night