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A Slippery Slope (Unwell Winter Games S1 E3 & 4) · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: It's the almost Famous podcast, and as always we're here
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  Speaker 2: to support all of our fellow Bachelor Nation contestants. Recently,
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  Speaker 2: we've been breaking down Alex Cooper's Unwell Winter Games because
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  Speaker 2: Joe and Serena have taken a part in those Winter Games.
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  Speaker 2: We started this whole thing by sharing our thoughts on
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  Speaker 2: the casting. It was confusing, to say the least, the
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  Speaker 2: cast that was chosen for Unwell Winter Games were controversial.
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  Speaker 2: They were usually in the headlines for things that were
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  Speaker 2: not maybe appreciated. We were a little confused. We soon
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  Speaker 2: found out why, and as we close the wrap up
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  Speaker 2: breaking down episodes three and four, Heather is with me
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  Speaker 2: today and I think we really understand, at least I do,
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  Speaker 2: why this cast was chosen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would still say there's a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of a question mark around Joe and Serena because
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  Speaker 3: they're maybe the least controversial people on this show. But
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  Speaker 3: boy did they get spicy in one of these episodes.
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  Speaker 3: I think that was then being like we're fun, we're hip,
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  Speaker 3: we're we can we can break rules too, kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: We make out, we make out yeah, you know, it
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  Speaker 2: was funny for me, and I actually think it was
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  Speaker 2: a very sweet part of the show where the married
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  Speaker 2: couples were actually the ones to participate in the makeout
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  Speaker 2: because with how this show was built, I think they thought, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this will be a fun challenge to see how spicy
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  Speaker 2: things can get and see if it causes any jealousy
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  Speaker 2: or controversy. But no, it actually became a very sweet
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  Speaker 2: moment for married couples. Go married couples, you can still
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if I'm going to be able
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  Speaker 4: to unsee it.
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  Speaker 2: There's zero chants at what they were doing on the
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  Speaker 2: mountain was actually what it looks like at home.
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  Speaker 4: You thinks.
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  Speaker 2: There's zero chance they're showing it up.
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  Speaker 4: But good for them.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, it's it's great. I'm thankful and happy that they
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  Speaker 2: love each other so much. But that was the big
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  Speaker 2: moment for Joe and Serena really throughout the whole season,
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  Speaker 2: which was four episodes long. Uh, we're going to kind
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  Speaker 2: of kick this thing off by breaking down the episode.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew continues to be the main character of this show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to call him the star because I
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  Speaker 2: don't know he did make a weird comment in the
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  Speaker 2: midst of this where he said, Hey, what if I
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  Speaker 2: get a huge following from this, what are you going
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  Speaker 2: to do? And that's always just kind of a cringey
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  Speaker 2: comment for me.
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  Speaker 3: I think everything I mean Andrew was nothing but cringe
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  Speaker 3: to me. That this like just how he tell me more,
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  Speaker 3: how he talked on camera. I think I said in
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  Speaker 3: the last episode, the sunglasses on at all hours of
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  Speaker 3: the day and night, inside, outside and interview was cringey
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  Speaker 3: to me.
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  Speaker 4: And then in.
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  Speaker 3: Like when he came out to the hot tub and
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  Speaker 3: he was like, what's going on here? And it's like, Andrew,
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  Speaker 3: you've known this girl for five.
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  Speaker 2: Seconds literally an afternoon.
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  Speaker 3: It literally an afternoon. Yeah, I think he's just playing
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  Speaker 3: it up. I'm I'm surprised he got as much camera
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  Speaker 3: time as he did, especially when they eliminated him in
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  Speaker 3: like the first episode.
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  Speaker 2: He just never left never And I've told Ashley this before.
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  Speaker 2: I'm all for people wanting to get a following and
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  Speaker 2: get on these shows and have a good time, and
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  Speaker 2: but I just want you honest about it. And it
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  Speaker 2: felt like when he was asked it was this, oh goodness,
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  Speaker 2: this is and it's like no, just be like, yes,
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  Speaker 2: this is my time, this is my spot. I want
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  Speaker 2: to get, you know, known from this. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how many people watch this show, so I don't know
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  Speaker 2: his following if it's really going to go up or not.
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  Speaker 3: I think one of the episodes I watched last night
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  Speaker 3: was already at a million views.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: That's pretty good for it not having been out for
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  Speaker 3: a week. So yeah, I'm sure it's like found, you know,
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  Speaker 3: some sort of audience on the internet. But yeah, if
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  Speaker 3: that translates to followers, I mean, while you're talking, I
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  Speaker 3: can obviously pull up his Instagram and kind of see
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  Speaker 3: where he's at.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see, well, the drama starts once the cameras are down.
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  Speaker 2: The drama was that Juliette had made some comments towards
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  Speaker 2: Cameron about him that other straight men would not want
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  Speaker 2: to use the restroom with him. He took it as
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  Speaker 2: him being kind of a creep, and he was very
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  Speaker 2: much against that, which makes sense. You're like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to I'm not a creep. I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: be known as a creep. That drama was kind of
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  Speaker 2: propelled as long as it could go once they had
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  Speaker 2: a conversation. It felt like it was in a sense
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  Speaker 2: water on the bridge of misunderstanding drinks were flowing? Was
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  Speaker 2: the right thing to say, No, it's that was not kind.
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  Speaker 3: I think what rubbed me the wrong way about that.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry to interrupt you, but what rubbed me the wrong
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  Speaker 3: way was it felt like Juliette kind of took a
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  Speaker 3: lack of accountability. The apology kind of felt like I
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  Speaker 3: don't remember saying that I'm sorry, I guess, And then
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  Speaker 3: there was like crying but there was no tears, And
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  Speaker 3: it's like, do I believe that.
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  Speaker 4: She doesn't remember? Sure?
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  Speaker 3: Does it sound like there was a lot of drinking
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  Speaker 3: going on, I can imagine. But I think the way
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  Speaker 3: to approach that is I'm so sorry, please forgive me.
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  Speaker 3: It won't happen again, and then, you know, hold on to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, whatever that embarrassment is, and use it to
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  Speaker 3: not make a mistake like that again. Where it got
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  Speaker 3: weird was her then being like, I'm feeling attacked. I'm
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  Speaker 3: really upset that everybody was talking about me in the
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  Speaker 3: house all day long today. He should have come to me, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he should have. He should have come directly to you.
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  Speaker 3: But the flipping of making the situation then about her
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  Speaker 3: was a little out of line, and Juliette, it came
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  Speaker 3: across as like super immature and just not how you
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  Speaker 3: kind of own making a mistake as an adult.
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  Speaker 2: I would agree with that. It did feel odd. And
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  Speaker 2: here's one thing I think that went under the radar
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  Speaker 2: when it came to Cameron. He's you know, he's a
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  Speaker 2: big character, he's a loud voice on social media. He
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  Speaker 2: I thought, did this thing that nobody expected where he
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  Speaker 2: came into this show and confronted all of the issues
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  Speaker 2: kind of head on. He really was not afraid of
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  Speaker 2: the confrontation leading to a place. It wasn't just to
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  Speaker 2: have confrontation simply to have confrontation. Cameron, if he wants
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  Speaker 2: to submitted or not, at least during the show, displayed this
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  Speaker 2: desire to have confrontation leading to some type of healing
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  Speaker 2: and it worked in all cases. Juliette, Yeah, twisted it
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  Speaker 2: really quickly. It felt weird. How many times have we,
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  Speaker 2: you know, had a night where either you're tired, or
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  Speaker 2: you've drank too much, or you said something that's come
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  Speaker 2: off wrong, and then the next day, how wonderful is
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  Speaker 2: it when that person that you've heard says, Hey, I
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  Speaker 2: want to talk to you about these things you said.
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  Speaker 2: It shows that they care and it shows that they
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  Speaker 2: want to get clarity. So overall, the drama kind of
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  Speaker 2: was this like underlying thing. It never really felt like
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  Speaker 2: it was as big of a deal as the show
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  Speaker 2: made it until Juliette kind of say that you were
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  Speaker 2: attacking me, and I don't know if that's true. I
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  Speaker 2: think they were just it's a bunch of big personalities
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure out how to navigate the world.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they also were attacking her because she kept saying
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  Speaker 3: I didn't say that.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't say that.
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  Speaker 3: So they kept bringing in more people who were present
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  Speaker 3: and were.
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  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, you did say that, you did say that.
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  Speaker 3: She was like, you're attacking me, You're attacking me. It's like, no,
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  Speaker 3: that's not what's happening.
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  Speaker 2: But anyways, one thing that definitely didn't happen as much
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  Speaker 2: as I bet Alex Cooper and the production team expected
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  Speaker 2: was there was very little hookup on this show. Really,
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  Speaker 2: there was only like a few instances. It was four
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  Speaker 2: days long. I don't know how much they can expect,
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  Speaker 2: but it was the underlying premise of most of the
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  Speaker 2: host's jokes and kind of the ITM conversations, but there
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  Speaker 2: wasn't really a lot of hookups.
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  Speaker 4: Going on in the I mean, the only one getting
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  Speaker 4: some action was Hallie.
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  Speaker 3: I mean we saw her kiss and Andrew, we heard
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  Speaker 3: that she kissed Dakota off camera, and we saw her
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  Speaker 3: kiss Alyssa. So Hallie was the one really holding that
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  Speaker 3: torch on this show and was like, oh, you want
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  Speaker 3: people to make out, like, I'll take that.
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  Speaker 4: I'll do that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Can you explain to me the intrigue in Dakota.
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  Speaker 3: How I'm embarrassed to do this because of everything that's
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  Speaker 3: come to light. But obviously I've talked about it in
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  Speaker 3: previous episodes where I'm like, well, Dakota, I get it.
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  Speaker 3: He's like a lovable loser. I mean, listen, I hate
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  Speaker 3: that we have to say this every time. Obviously we
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  Speaker 3: don't condone violence or anything that has been rumored to
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  Speaker 3: happen or is, you know, in the process of being
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  Speaker 3: worked out right now with court issues. Speaking objectively, I
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  Speaker 3: think that Dakota is an attractive man.
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  Speaker 4: I think he has a very well groomed beard. I
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  Speaker 4: think he has nice teeth.
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  Speaker 3: I think he has, you know, an overall nice appearance,
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  Speaker 3: So in that sense, I get it, Like I get
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  Speaker 3: why she's attracted to him. I think he's an attractive man.
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  Speaker 3: His personality is so goofy, like the guy is not
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  Speaker 3: like Swave in any way. So I think that I
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  Speaker 3: kind of find it a little bit endearing.
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  Speaker 4: The fact that he.
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  Speaker 3: Is a very obvious love bomber and just you can
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  Speaker 3: see in just these interactions with Hallie and stuff like that, that.
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  Speaker 4: Is a turn off to me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not interested in that, and I don't find that attractive,
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  Speaker 3: but I can see why women would.
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  Speaker 2: That was my question, and I think you answered answered
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  Speaker 2: it well, is outside of I don't. I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: cannot obviously in the world we know today dismiss the
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  Speaker 2: accusations no against him. But if you didn't know, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they knew at the time of the
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  Speaker 2: filming of the show any of that, what is it
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  Speaker 2: about this guy that makes him desirable? That was my question.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of pointed this out too when I
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  Speaker 3: was putting this together. But the fact that every episode
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  Speaker 3: they very clear say what day it was recorded, do
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  Speaker 3: you feel like that was them doing an after kind
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  Speaker 3: of due diligence of being like, do you see this
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  Speaker 3: was recorded before whatever February incident happened between Taylor and Dakota, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it felt.
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  Speaker 2: Intentional face a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I was.
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  Speaker 3: Thinking when I was watching, because at one point I
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  Speaker 3: was like, wait, what day is it? And then I
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  Speaker 3: was like, I was like gonna go back and like
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  Speaker 3: but then I saw, oh, we're like only February second
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  Speaker 3: or February third, So whatever happened happened twenty some days
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  Speaker 3: later after this.
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  Speaker 2: Did we get an update on Andrew's following.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's nothing.
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  Speaker 3: It's like four thousand people. Yeah, yeah, Andrew is Andrew
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  Speaker 3: Underscore Underscore vetter. Yeah, four eight hundred and seventy one followers.
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  Speaker 3: So and looks like majority, looks like all the cast
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  Speaker 3: is following. And I can see Dakota, Serena, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he seems like a nice guy, and he'd
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  Speaker 2: be sure.
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  Speaker 4: He is a nice guy.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's a he's a party boy who ended
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  Speaker 3: up at a party production company. I think he's perfectly
• 12:12
  Speaker 3: fit where he's at and what he's doing.
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  Speaker 2: We do have a kind of a random appearance from
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  Speaker 2: GLEB Dance with the Stars. He comes in and so
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  Speaker 2: Gleb is the referee of this game that they're playing.
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  Speaker 2: The game really.
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  Speaker 4: Doesn't the games are lackluster.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not why we're there, it's not what we're
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  Speaker 2: here to talk about. But he's the referee of the game.
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  Speaker 2: And then he joins everybody to villa. Later that evening,
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  Speaker 2: he joins everybody after the host Adam tells the winning
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  Speaker 2: team that they have this fancy dinner being made for them.
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  Speaker 2: If the other team is going to be there their
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  Speaker 2: butt for the evening. They're individual butlers to choose their butlers.
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  Speaker 2: This is actually kind of fun to watch the I'll
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  Speaker 2: give a lot of credit to the butlers for working
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  Speaker 2: really hard at it. I also think there are some
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  Speaker 2: funny moments. I don't know the guy's name, but he
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  Speaker 2: like had his butler smack him and it was like.
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  Speaker 4: Dylan had the butler was Nico.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like it was funny. I was giggling
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  Speaker 2: during that when he was like making Nico do these
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  Speaker 2: ridiculous things that did not cross the line. It did
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  Speaker 2: not feel inappropriate, did not feel weird. It just felt hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: And they're playing it up. I'd say all this to
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  Speaker 2: say Gleb was the only one that was kind of
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you felt this way with Anna Delvey.
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  Speaker 2: He was definitely trying to make a move there, for sure,
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  Speaker 2: and it felt uncomfortable for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think she was interested. And he was like
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  Speaker 3: commenting on like he liked her costume and like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: she looked good.
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  Speaker 4: Which she did.
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  Speaker 3: She did actually look really good in that little butlerrette costume.
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  Speaker 3: I did find it enjoyable to watch her explaining to
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  Speaker 3: her cast mates how she was able to get her
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  Speaker 3: tights on with her ankle monitor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's she's she's really playing this up. I could
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  Speaker 2: be controversial. She's grown on me during this show. Not
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  Speaker 2: that I came into it with any other idea, but
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  Speaker 2: she's been a character that has been funny, sweet.
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  Speaker 4: That is controversial.
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  Speaker 3: Is it just mean, you know, in the sense that
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  Speaker 3: she's a fucking scam artist?
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  Speaker 2: Well, but did she did? Okay? Let me ask you then,
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  Speaker 2: in the same way, if you don't know anything else
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  Speaker 2: about her, you watch her during this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd think she's like a a sweet foreign person
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  Speaker 3: that you can't place their accent, and you would think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, she's there to have fun.
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  Speaker 4: She's there to have a good time.
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  Speaker 2: She was not a dislike, like a hateable character.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with you, no, but I know so it's
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  Speaker 3: like it's a weird thing to say, right that we
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  Speaker 3: like these controversial people that are on this show, But
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: that is part of that's part of this is like
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  Speaker 3: they're clearly looking for some sort of redemption arc for
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  Speaker 3: these people.
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  Speaker 4: That's why they were cast.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's hard to dislike somebody wants you get
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  Speaker 2: to know somebody, and this show, depending on what they
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: were out to get, it didn't bring out the crazy
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  Speaker 2: or the messy side of really anybody because I think
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  Speaker 2: it was only four days and yeah, they all seem
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  Speaker 2: to like each other enough. And the only moment during
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  Speaker 2: the whole season that felt like we were getting there
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  Speaker 2: was this Globe Dakota conversation where they start to dive
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  Speaker 2: into stuff that does feel very private, which there's a
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: lot of things that get these people into trouble, but
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: releasing private information, especially about like past x's in this
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  Speaker 2: kind of format, does feel weird. And Gleb was very
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: open about his escapades and his encounters with who was it,
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  Speaker 2: what was her name?
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  Speaker 4: Brook Snater? Yeah, I mean, if anybody's kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Followed this story. Brooks has been really really open. She
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  Speaker 3: went on Watch What Happens Live not too long ago
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  Speaker 3: and said that her and Gleb had sex the day
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  Speaker 3: that they met. When they met as partners, they were like,
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  Speaker 3: this is your partner, And she said on Watch What
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  Speaker 3: Happens Live that they had sex that day. So it
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  Speaker 3: was hot and heavy from the jump between them. But
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  Speaker 3: then she came out after the they were eliminated and whatever,
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  Speaker 3: and they were kind of still seeing each other. She
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  Speaker 3: was the one who was out there saying he cheated
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  Speaker 3: on me, like that's why it's over. And then she
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  Speaker 3: got a reality show, which I can't speak to you
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  Speaker 3: because I never watched it, but I did hear it
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  Speaker 3: was really good. But I believe that she talked about
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  Speaker 3: his cheating on that as well on her reality show
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  Speaker 3: with her family. So yeah, he clearly came into this
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  Speaker 3: with a full on vendetta of wanting to clear his
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  Speaker 3: name and speak his piece.
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  Speaker 4: On a platform.
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  Speaker 3: And that's when he gets into it and says that
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  Speaker 3: she was like the worst sex he ever had, and
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  Speaker 3: she choked him and chipped one of his teeth when
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: they were making out. Yeah, but did you catch when
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  Speaker 3: he said to Dakota that he knows Dakota's ex.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't catch it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So when they first start playing pool, he's like,
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  Speaker 3: you're you're ex.
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  Speaker 4: I did a show with her.
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  Speaker 3: And so that leads us to believe that Gleb did
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  Speaker 3: something on the season of The Bachelorette, which we're never
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: going to see now, maybe some sort of dance or something.
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  Speaker 3: And then we just saw today Dumois posted a blind
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: item that they got about Taylor. Frankie Paul was supposed
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: to be on this quote unquote next season of Dancing
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  Speaker 3: with the Stars and that is being pulled now and
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: they are looking at other options. But yeah, I thought
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: that was interesting, and I think that's why producers paired
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: them to have this conversation together around the pool table,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: was because of that connection to Taylor, which, by the way,
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: for somebody not being on the show, Taylor is talked
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: about a lot, a lot.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: A lot, And I mean, again, this is all conversations
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: happening before the end of February, so the latest incident
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: between Dakota and Taylor had not happened yet to our knowledge,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: and so they're talking about it in this way of
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: her being the bachelorette and her being you know, Dakota's ex.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: It's obviously something that it is discussed. It felt like
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: we were going to walk into a conversation that went
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: a little deeper dur in the club Dakota stuff. I'm
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: surprised that conversation even existed in this format, you know,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: if you and maybe he just wanted his chance to
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: speak about it, but it did. I mean, it's a
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: four episode YouTube show. It felt like he was looking
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: for any access point to really get this this out there,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: and it took up a large portion of the episode.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, they were clearly both there to
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: be like they both were like we've we've been talked
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: about in the press.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: We're bad guys. Da da da dah.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: But then they looked at each other and they were like,
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: we're kind of bad guys.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Like they did you see that?
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: They kind of like he was trying to hook up
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: with Anna Delves.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, and Dakota's clearly kissing Hallie off camera while
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: also saying on camera to another person that he's in
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: a exclusive with air quotes situationship. So I mean, these guys,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Bless them, bless them both. They are there to clear
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: their names, and then they both kind of step in
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: it after and just kind of reaffirm what people have
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: said about them. But Dakota says that he is not
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: really like ever been over Taylor, and he says that
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: it's actually he never cheated on her, but that she's
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: the one who went and hooked up with another guy,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: came back hooked up with Dakota and didn't tell him. Now,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: if anybody's watched Secret Lives and Mormon Wives, we have
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: seen that scenario play out more.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Than once with Dakota being the one hooking up.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: So this was a first time that I've heard as
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: a follower of this saga. It's the first time I've
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: ever heard that that Taylor was the one who went
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: and did that. Do I believe it? I think there's
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: a very high possibility. I've said it before. I think
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: that both of these people are toxic with each other,
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: and I think that there's a lot of blurred lines
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: and a lot of no hard boundaries between the two
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: of them. But we've seen play out on multiple seasons
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, and we've actually had
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: the women that Dakota has hooked up with they've come
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: on camera and talked about hooking.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Up with Dakota.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: So it's like he says, and he says, I've It
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean I haven't made mistakes. I've made mistakes, but
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: I've never cheated. I've been labeled a serial cheater, and
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I'm not a cheater.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Did you take Dakota's words as genuine when he sat
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: down in fronting camera and said, you know, he talked
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: about he does villainous things, he doesn't think he's a villain,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: and then kind of talked about how he always finds
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: himself in these situations where there's no right move out
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: of them.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't buy that.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: You think he knows what he's doing.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he's necessarily super cognizant of it,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: But I think that people that are constantly in spirals
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: of chaos need to take a step back and look
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: at why does chaos always circle me? Why am I
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: always in situations that are sticky and difficult? Oh, the
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: common denominator is me, And you have to take some
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: accountability in that things don't just continue to happen to you.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: You keep putting yourself in environments that can.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: Be blurred easily.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: You keep communicating with people in a way that, oh,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: now it gets escalated. Why did it get escalated? Because
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: why did you start talking to that person? Like those
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: kinds of things. I don't, you know, believe in the
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: victim mentality of everything just happens to me. I don't
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: know why it happens to me.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I'm with you. You're not a therapist, so I don't
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: want you. Yeah, but what is that personality type? Because
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: it does seem like so many of these people do
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: that and they continue to make the mistake over and
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: over and over again and being it's actually interesting and
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know if there's a tie to this at all,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: but there is this kind of vulnerable conversation that Huda
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: and Dakota have where they start talking about their upbringings
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: and how they both have issues with their parents, and
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: they like kind of joke about it, but you can
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: tell that it's actually a really beautiful moment where they're
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: like joking about rehab, but not joking about it like, oh,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: you know that rehab. They're like, no, we've both been
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: there and we have our stuff and we you know,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: we can't figure this thing out. And I actually found
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: it one of those good moments where like two people
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: who probably don't get vulnerable in that kind of way
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: very often were trying to get into that place where
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: they felt less alone. They did it. And I wonder if, like,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: what is causing Dacoda to continue to make these decisions
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: and not pull himself out when he's obviously realizing that
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: he does it?
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean listen, I think think you could probably
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: draw a pairline parallel line to the fact that he
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: is an addict and he is a recovering addict. So
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: you know, again, I'm not a therapist or a doctor
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: or anything, but if you're constantly seeking some sort of
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: high or something when you are using, I think that
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: there's probably a high that you're probably chasing in life
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: when you're not using, and I think that that probably
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: manifests in other areas of your life.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: You know. One of the things that I think this
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: show specifically has show me is the insecurities of those
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: who are beautiful people but also like beautiful physically but
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: also all trying to make life work. And you get
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: kind of this this inside look at some of their insecurities.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Right this show is one two ex Bose insecurities and
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: show them more than covering up make everybody look perfect.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: And I think that's one thing that so many people
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: watching its need to realize is you know, yes, you
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: watch them and like the Louise of the world, right,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: such a handsome dude and charismatic and loud, But in
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: a show like this, you start to see kind of
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: behind the scenes of what he's dealing with in life
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: and how he processes things. And I think you see
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: that with a lot of these characters.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what did you think about seeing some of these
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: interactions between Louie and Hooda in these last two episodes.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I think they really like each other. I don't know
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: if Like, I don't know much about either of them
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: outside of what I've seen him on television, Uh huh,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: but they're very protective or he is very protective of her.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that felt a little red flaggy to.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Me, you know, Yeah, I could see that. I was
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: thinking about. I don't know how else to do it
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: other than to make parallels. I'm very protective of my wife. No, like,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: if anybody hurts her, they're going to hear from me.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: But if I was in a situation like this, I
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: would love her being on the other team, like I
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: am going to compete against her and love every second
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: of that, And I mean I don't necessarily I would
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: love the makeout moment for us to be on the
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: same team. But it felt a little bit too, like
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: almost like I'm trying to hold onto something so tight.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: When the people I know who are married or who
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: have been along relationship, they have that protective instinct and
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: they love and they care, but they don't hold on
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: to it so tight that it is almost isolating the relationship.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it felt very when we're talking about insecurities like
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: that to me was just like waving a big insecure
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: flag above your head. If your girlfriend is on a
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: ice skating rink and can't hold her balance and another
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: man is just holding her hand guy her and you're
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: not jumping up to do it yourself, what is she
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: supposed to do? She was like, what did you want
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: me to do?
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Fall down?
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: It's like there was He was just like, and who
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: knows how much he was playing that up, But I was.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Like, it's not like a good look.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: That's kind of like icky, and like there's you can
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: see with your own eyes that nothing is happening here.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Your girlfriend's about to faceplant onto an ice rink. If
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: somebody doesn't guide her, she can't skate.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess teach their own. But I would not
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: have a problem with somebody helping Jessica ice skate because
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I know if I grabbed her hand on the ice
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: skating rink, we'd both be falling down and that would
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: not be fun for anybody. Yeah, it's the confidence too,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: and just knowing your relationship and knowing your partner. And
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I do think they both come from a world where
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: there is temptation and there is there's a lack of
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: boundaries necessarily set for probably either of them, and there
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: is probably this concern with you know, it's probably the
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: only way they know how to navigate or he knows
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: how to navigate a relationship is by having that like
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: kind of overbearing grip, and that isn't healthy. Let me
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: tell you. It's exhausting, probably for both of them, and
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: it's not healthy. But the two of them, I guess
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: to answer it. Outside of all of that, if it's
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: healthy or not. They do seem to really like each other.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: They do.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: They do seem to really like each other, and.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe they're a match made.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: Maybe they both.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like I kind of know Louis
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: a little bit from watching Perfect Match. I feel like
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: I know Huda a lot more from watching her on
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Love Island, just because it's every single day. It's I mean,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: it's a very big commitment when you commit to watching
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: an entire season, So I feel like I know her
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: super well. She's a single mom, which came up so
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: much on Love Island and has really not been talked about,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: and which is crazy because she had a very viral
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: moment on Love Island for being like, I'm a mommy,
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: and it went like on TikTok and everybody being like
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Mamasita and she's like, no, I'm a mom and the
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: guy goes, I'm a dog.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: No I have a baby, like I have a child.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: It's just like one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: He goes, she goes, I'm a mommy, and he goes, Maasita.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Oh so she is a single mom And I'm actually surprised,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah that that hasn't come up more in this in
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: these episodes, but who cares.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: I guess they don't care.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: The overall season ended with the Purple team winning. They
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: win in the midst of this competition that has a
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: bunch of challenges to it. They're really The one too
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: that stands out is the makeout challenge where Joe and
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Serena and then also de May Demi and her husband
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: steps in out of nowhere. I don't know where he
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: came from. Well, because they filmed this in Utah, remember,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: so he came to watch and she was gonna make
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: out with the girl. She was out there to make
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: out with the girl. And he steps in and goes, no,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: make out with me. But Joe and Serena and the
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: two of them have this makeout contest. Joe and Serena
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: really show up, and they show up big time in it.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: They go all out. It is cute, It is fun cute.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: It was whoa, It was hair flipping, it was like writing, straddling,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: switching positions, spread legs.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's true, it was a lot.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: I mean if you were in their situation, would you
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: have outperformed them?
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: Would you have felt comfortable doing something like that?
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: No, my wife would never have been like, that's not her, No,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: that's not her.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: They seemed game, they both, But also I feel like
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Serena was really like leading this whole like the action.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because Joe is like just gonna sit there and
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: enjoy it.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: He looked like.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Kind of shocked when they like were switching like spots
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: like whoa, Like we're doing this, We're going for it it.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: For whatever reason, I found it cute. I think it's
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: amazing when married couples go all out like this.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: I was like looking at like this, like I don't
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: know if I should be seeing this is so much?
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: And then I was like what if I see them?
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Like what if I see them in real life?
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Am I going to be thinking about this.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent? And you should tell them? All I
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: can think about is seeing the two of you do
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: what you did on Unwell Winter Games, I'm going to
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna see Joe in a few weeks. I'm gonna
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: say Joe, I've seen the way you two operate, and
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I bet his response to me is we don't operate
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: like that even I can.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Sue was like, oh, is this supposed to be like
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: a porno Guys, if you haven't watched like it was
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: giving porno.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good for the married couple keep things spicy
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: in the relationship for as long as you can. It's healthy,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: it's it's it makes things fun for the fifty sixty
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: years you're going to be together. So true. I'm all
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: for it, fully support it. So that was the big moment.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: And then as the Purple Team ends, they sell Break,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: the whole cast celebrates together and they talk about how
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: great this show was and how was the best few
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: days of their life and all this stuff, and they
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: do it at the Vida Tequila Lounge. It's owned by
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: a real housewife of Salt Lake City member Lisa Barlow.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just had to say the second they
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: showed the sign, I went, no, they're not at.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Vida Tequila, Like, why do I know that?
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Because I know because Lisa talks about it in every
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: single episode that she can.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: She mentions her tequila brand.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: They shoot real housewives there, and so I was like, Oh,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: I've seen this lounge. I know this lounge, Like, this
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: is where Lisa loves to hang out.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: You know, her life.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Fans listening, Lisa's life is so different from everybody else's
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: life because she hangs out with Ben Affleck. It's a joke,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: that's what she says. Her life is not different. But
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: I was absolutely gagged, as the kids would say when
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: she popped up at the end, very end of the
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: episode and was taking pictures with Cameron, who was also gagged.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: So good in Vita Tequila. I know, beat it tequila. Yeah,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: it's a pretty big brand. Yeah.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: I mean she she lives a way different life than
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: all of us, This Lisa Marlow. That's what she likes
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: to remind us. Yeah, tequila, and that's her lounge. And
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: yeah she does it with her husband. I'm sure they
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: have other investors. I'm sure that's not like a soul
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: owned shousness.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Well, they get to celebrate at Vita Tequila. They look
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: like they're having a great time. Heather, as we close
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: out the breakdown of episodes one through four, I don't
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: know if we will talk if we will ever talk
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: about this show again on the Almost Famous podcast, because
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: who knows if Bachelor Nation will be a part of it.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I will be honest. I started the breakdowns of these
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: episodes by saying, this isn't for me, Heather, I really
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: don't want to do this, and after four episodes I
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: felt very similarly to how I feel watching Perfect Match.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Interesting didn't hate it. I would never choose and like,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to go out to watch the second
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: season if we don't have too. But it wasn't bad.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: It was an intriguing watch at times for me.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna say I didn't like it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: I feel again I said this last time, but after
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: having watched Love Overboard, which I felt was super engaging
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: and interesting and I loved the concept that was so
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: much fun for me, and also having watched like Perfect Match,
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: which I also found very fun and silly. This to me,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: the had such a lack of structure, and I think
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: that the moments that went on too long went on
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: too long, and it just didn't hold my attention. And
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: as well, I thought the casting was fairly good, like
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: as soon as we knew the concept was to cast
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: people that were controversial, I was like, okay, I get
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: this now.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: I just it didn't hold my attention.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: It was I think one of the benefits was it
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: was such a short episode, one hundred percent it being short.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: I also just think that you're shooting Winter Games in Utah,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: and overall, I would say majority of the show was
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: shot inside the chalet, so I wish that there was
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: like more actual Winter and Games incorporated but that's just
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: probably me being nitpicky.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: The games were definitely low budget. I think the hockey
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: they had like a hockey scene and to get your
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: hockey shot, you hit like one of those two dollars
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: lights that you stick underneath your counter.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean just the whole show just overall was
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: low budget.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: I mean we could you know where the budget went
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: to the alcohol because taught we discussed this the last time.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: We weren't sure if they had a two drink maximum
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: or anything like that. Clearly they did not. They were
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: drinking at all hours of the day and night, these peeps.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that's where the budget went was too,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: was to the alcohol and maybe to those snowsuits that
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: they were all wearing throughout.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: The show, the Butler costumes, the Butler costumes. Yeah, well
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: that's our breakdown of Unwell Winter Games. It's Alex Cooper's company.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: She makes a few appearances during this season. You know,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: outside of the controversy of the cast, she had some
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: very well known people on this cast, and she convinced
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: them to come to Utah to do winter sports for
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: a few days. And that included Joe and Serena, who
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: are part of Alex Cooper's network now hosting a show.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: It's Our Breakdown, Take it or leave it. This is
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: not a show that the Almost Famous Podcast is going
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: to stick her stake in and say, hey, this is us.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: But because of Joe and Serena being on the show,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: we wanted to talk about it here and they definitely
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: had their moment in the final episode as the two
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: of them, you know, did like the teenage makeout session.
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  Speaker 3: We should also mention Ben that for all that they did,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: they didn't even win the challenge. Serrito was really pissed
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: about that.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: That's a good point. Too bad. Well, hey it's out there,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: so at least people know they're still in love. This
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: has been the Almost Famous podcast breaking down the final
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: two episodes of Winter Games. We'll be back this week
• 37:21
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