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MINI SCROLL: Fishboy vs. 2 million Tinder women, BookTok Kickstarter scandal + Charlotte Tilbury & Huda Kattan influencer drama · Mini Scroll

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  Hi everyone, welcome to Mini Scroll, the daily Internet
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  culture podcast bringing you the biggest stories from social
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  media, the creator economy and the digital space every Monday
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  through Thursday. I'm your host, Lauren Meisner,
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  the founder of the youth digital media brand Centennial World.
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  Welcome back to Mini Scroll, everyone.
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  All right, let's just dive into the stories for today because
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  the stories that I have are kind of big.
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  So the first story that I have for you guys is that a man is
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  going viral all over social media for swiping 2,000,000
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  times on Tinder with only one date over the last five years.
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  This man named Hayden, basically his like failed Tinder
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  experience on Twitter, five years on Tinder and swiped right
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  2,000,000 times and got one date.
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  It's time to Thailand Max bro. Then he put a screenshot of his
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  Tinder insights which show he has swiped over 2 2,000,000
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  times. He's had 2053 matches, 1269
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  chats, 1 date, 0 relationships, 0 casual sex.
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  And he also put screenshots of some of his profile.
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  So his photos and stuff like that.
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  So his profile has photos of him for the most part outside and
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  holding fish. He loves being outdoors and
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  being at the lake. And I didn't see this myself,
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  but I saw somebody on TikTok say that his profile also said that
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  he owns 33 snakes. Bro, I don't think you should be
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  advertising that, But OK, I'm going to get into all of this in
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  a minute. So there's been quite a lot of
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  discussion online about what all of this signals.
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  And one of the best takes that I've seen is from a woman named
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  Kath who said that this man has no idea how to market himself to
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  women. And this is a more pervasive
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  problem than just like something that's going on with Hayden.
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  Like women are conditioned and groomed from birth to appeal to
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  men to understand how to market themselves to the male gaze.
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  Because so much of our personhood and our worth is like
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  a society tells us is wrapped up in finding a man and having that
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  male validation and getting married and having children and
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  all of that. Whereas men are taught how to
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  market themselves to other guys. And Jim Bros are such a good
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  example of this. Like women across the board, in
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  surveys, in research studies say that a lot of women like softer
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  male bodies. We know women don't really care
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  if a man is like super super ripped and that's why like dad
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  bods became such a thing, right? But men market themselves based
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  on what they like in other men and they think that women care
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  about those things too. And then the problem goes even
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  deeper because when women tell men these things like what they
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  do and don't like, men tell us that we're lying and we're
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  wrong. I bet if I put this clip up on
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  TikTok right now of me saying that women like softer bodies,
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  we don't care how ripped guys are.
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  The comment section would literally be full flooded with
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  boys and men telling me that I am some vindictive liar.
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  That's just like wanting men to be alone forever.
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  So back to Kath. She suggested that a lot of this
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  has to do with the fact that so many men cannot put themselves
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  in our shoes. Like in any way.
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  They cannot look at women as fully conscious human subjects.
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  They look at us as human objects.
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  And I was like, oh, that was the perfect mostly a succinct way to
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  wrap that up. So case in point with Hayden,
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  back to Hayden, he has taken to the Internet to play victim and
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  claim that something is wrong with women and or Tinder, right?
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  He doesn't seem embarrassed that he has swiped over 2,000,000
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  times and has only gone on one date.
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  He doesn't think that this is his problem, right?
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  But case in .1 of the photos of him on his profile holding a
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  fish red flag. But also, you know, whatever,
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  like we've all gone on dates with men who have been holding
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  fish, OK, in their photos. We don't discriminate that much.
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  It's cringe. It's definitely a bit of a red
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  flag, but it is so common. Like you actually cannot avoid
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  it. I bet you've surveyed every
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  single woman in the world. She would say that she has gone
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  on a date. Every hetero woman, you would
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  find out that she has gone on a date with a man who has a photo
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  of him holding a fish. OK, so he's holding a fish in
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  this pic, but the sweater that he is wearing has the silhouette
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  of a naked woman lying down with like her legs basically open
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  with the letters SITYA so Sitya, and then the words underneath
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  Sitya say ass on my face. So all of this is literally
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  front and center on his Tinder profile while he is swiping for
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  women where they can see what kind of humor, what kind of like
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  sexist, misogynistic humor he has.
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  Wearing a sweater like that so loud and proud is such a crazy
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  red flag. But it gets worse.
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  OK so I actually found that this isn't the first time he's taken
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  this experience to the Internet. In September 2023 he posted on
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  Reddit sharing screenshots of his profile saying he had swiped
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  over 1,000,000 times and wasn't having any success.
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  So he's already complained about this when he was at 1,000,000
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  swipes and now he's at 2,000,000 swipes.
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  In this thread people are like check this Reddit users comments
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  and you will see why he gets no dates.
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  It has nothing to do with what he looks like with probably
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  what's on his profile because if you think about the ratio from
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  like he's getting what was it like 2002 thousand matches to 1
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  date ever. That ratio is crazy.
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  So what is happening in those conversations after he matches
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  with them where women are like like I am not fucking going on a
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  date with this guy. So here's some of the comments
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  that his Reddit profile had. Yes I'm sexist as fuck.
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  I just want to give someone my love but nobody wants it.
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  I'm just too fed up at this point.
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  So many shallow women tell me I'm worthless because of my
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  looks and height. I could guarantee you that is
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  not true. Have you guys seen the meme?
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  That's like every single beautiful woman that I know has
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  the ugliest boyfriend ever. If that is not like so
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  indicative of the fact that like women do not care about what you
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  look like, what? I mean height.
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  OK some women do have a height thing but like what you look
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  like if you have like a ripped body.
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  Like this is stuff that men care about.
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  This is men tell themselves this to make them feel better so they
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  don't have to change and become better people and like change
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  their personality because they fucking suck.
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  OK another comment. Most girls are scumbags and will
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  lie straight to your face and not see the issue.
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  Oh my God. And then people found OK so one
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  of his profile pictures when he had this like 1,000,000 Tinder
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  thing. So this was two years ago.
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  One of his photos was from his high school graduation which was
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  six years prior to that which is weird.
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  This person on Reddit said it looks like 2 years ago when he
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  was 22. He was commenting in R slash
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  teenagers. Men want to complain about the
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  male I'll loneliness epidemic and say women are the reason
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  that they have no sex, that they're so lonely, that they
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  have bad mental health. Please fucking spare us.
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  If you are swiping 2,000,000 times on Tinder and you've gone
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  on one date over the course of five years, look inside.
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  It is your fault 2 million women looked at your profile or had a
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  conversation with you and thought this man is not it.
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  There is a reason for that. You don't need to go to fucking
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  Thailand and inflict your disgusting, sexist,
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  misogynistic, creepy ass vibes on the poor women in Thailand.
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  Fix yourself. Oh my God.
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  OK, let's get on to the next story because I hate this man so
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  much. The next word that I have for
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  you guys. So I know a lot of you guys are
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  part of book talk. If there are things that I've
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  missed in this story or if you have opinions or you're part of
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  this Kickstarter or you know people like I would love to hear
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  in the comments because this is so interesting to me.
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  Britt Andrews is a popular reverse harem author and she is
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  under fire after she raised $95,000 via Kickstarter for
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  special editions of her unfinished book series through
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  social media and has failed to deliver.
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  So she started the Kickstarter in September 2000, 1023 and the
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  goal was $5000 and she raised $95,000.
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  This situation was brought to the attention of users online
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  when a Book Talk creator Randy Nicole Reads posted a video on
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  TikTok about it recently, which got some traction.
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  I'm sorry, what do you mean? An indie author has had $95,000
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  worth of readers money locked up in a Kickstarter from August of
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  2023. What do you mean?
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  The book still has not been written?
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  No one has received anything. No one has received refunds,
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  even though said refunds have been requested for months
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  $95,000. There's now been a lot of
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  discussion online about this and it turns out apparently a lot of
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  the people who pledged to Britt's Kickstarter have been
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  requesting their money back for like a year and some have even
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  filed complaints with their banks and then Britt is
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  disputing those claims. This is from a thread from 2024.
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  Somebody said wait, what's going on?
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  I love Britt Andrews and someone responded she did a Kickstarter
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  for a duet and it's totally in shambles for the backers.
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  Long story short, she had a goal of $5000 and surpassed it by
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  about $94,000. Then crickets.
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  Next thing we know she's opening a restaurant which can only be
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  assumed our money funded that venture.
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  Her update in January stated we are still on track for summer
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  fulfillment of boxes slash orders.
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  Sorry I should have specified there were like a bunch of tiers
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  of the Kickstarter so it was like certain books and stuff but
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  then they were also like collabs.
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  So like she was doing a candle collab, which would include like
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  if you pledged to that tier of the Kickstarter, then you would
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  get a candle collab as well as, you know, the special editions.
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  So we're updating. Jan stated we are still on track
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  for a summer fulfillment. Again, if you think about US
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  summer. So right now it's May.
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  So this was like a year ago basically of boxes slash orders,
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  a few months later, personal issues leading to writers block
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  and then the update last night. Long ass diary entry and then
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  until next time. I do believe it is the fact that
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  she launched a restaurant with her sister and made that public
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  that has brought this to the forefront.
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  Because again, as this commenter said, like where did our $95,000
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  go? People really do believe that it
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  went to helping them fund this restaurant.
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  But when you do a Kickstarter, once the pledge period is over,
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  like you can no longer receive money.
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  So even though she said all of this stuff she was doing, the
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  special edition, the candle collabs, whatever, were a
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  Kickstarter exclusive, she actually started a Jot forum
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  where she is raising money again for basically the same stuff.
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  I guess people are like, I thought that everything that was
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  like said on the Kickstarter was like a Kickstarter exclusive.
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  Like surely this is a breach of contract.
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  Like give us our fucking money back.
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  There are some people who did receive their money back.
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  I saw somebody on Reddit say they were one of the few like
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  lucky ones that did get their money back last year when it
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  first kicked off and there were some high profile people
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  complaining. And so she did like a round of
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  refunds to people that had complained.
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  And this person was like, I was just like in that round luckily.
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  But since then, it doesn't seem like most people have received
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  any refunds. But back to the candle collab.
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  So this candle collab, it was a $35 tier with Bright Side
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  Candle. So you would get a candle as
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  well as whatever else was part of the Kickstarter.
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  And once all this started kicking off, Bright Side Candles
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  made an announcement that they are not working with her
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  anymore. They said.
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  We've recently become aware that the Kickstarter campaign
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  launched by Britt Andrews in 2023, which included the Bright
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  Side candles as an add on tier has not been fulfilled.
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  Like many of you, we were excited to support this project
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  and looked forward to contributing something special
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  to the experience. However, we want to clarify a
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  few important details. We were never provided product
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  details, shipping lists or compensation to begin
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  production. No candles were ever made or
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  delivered by us for this campaign.
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  We, like many of you, pledged in good faith and hoped this would
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  be a positive collaboration. So again, people are like, OK,
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  so I've paid $35 for this candle plus, you know, whatever else is
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  going to happen with the Kickstarter.
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  And now they're saying like, we're not doing this collab with
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  you anymore. Where the fuck is my money?
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  Like, what am I going to get now for pledging $35 if I'm not
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  going to get this candle? OK I'm going to read some
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  comments from read it about this.
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  So somebody says I'm low key livid about it and I bought one
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  of the smaller tiers. She has a clear pattern.
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  Basically ghost the Kickstarter and all of her social media for
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  months. Pop up with an update that
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  things are hard and she's working on it.
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  Sit back and watch as her fans tear anyone up who speaks up.
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  Rinse and repeat. It's this Kickstarter, a special
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  edition Emerald Lakes and pre-order signed books that were
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  for a book con. Maybe other things too.
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  And I get it, I really do. Sometimes life throws so many
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  bricks at you it's impossible to stand.
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  But you took nearly $100,000 of people's money.
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  The very least you can do is show any kind of proof that you
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  are working on the project. Yeah, I think that's exactly it
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  is like of course things happen. Your mental health can go
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  downhill. Life happens if you can't
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  fulfill the work that you are required there to do.
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  People have spent so much money on you, then you have to just
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  say, I'm really sorry. I'm in over my head.
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  I cannot complete this and refund everybody.
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  And I think that's one of the problems with Kickstarter is
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  that they don't have to have a specific date on when everything
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  has to be delivered. So that's part of this problem
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  is people are like, OK, well, you know, she can just keep
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  posting these updates. So her most recent update was
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  May 14th. And she basically said that like
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  she's struggling and stuff but that she's still working on it.
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  And so it's like, yeah, she could just say this though for
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  the next like 5 plus years, you know, like for as long as she
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  wants in theory. There's also a lot of people
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  that say they've had other shady situations with her.
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  Like somebody said, no joke, I want to give away on her
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  Facebook page years ago and got the runaround over and over
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  again until almost three months down the road I get cussed out
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  by not only her friend but her and her mod for daring to
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  question them. Someone else wrote.
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  She's also known for signing up to conventions, getting
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  pre-orders and either canceling last minute or not showing up.
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  She's banned from Beventi. Yeah, Beventi.
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  I don't know what that is, but I'm assuming it's the convention
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  due to this. But yeah, that's basically a
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  very high level recap of what's happening with book talk.
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  And this author, like I said, she did post something on May
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  14th and just kind of said like, here's what I'm going through
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  and like, sorry, essentially, but I'm still going to do it.
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  So I guess we'll see. But I feel really bad for all of
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  her fans that have paid their money.
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  I cannot handle when people scam their followers, their fans.
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  I think it's so disgusting because that is people's like,
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  own personal money. It just feels so fucked up when
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  it's people's like, actual money, especially in this
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  economy. Like, no, we can't even waste
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  like $5 on this economy, OK? Like, things are not well.
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  OK. The last word that I have for
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  you guys is there is some drama right now in kind of like the
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  influencer marketing space between Charlotte Tilbury and
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  Huda Katan. So this started because a TikTok
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  creator made a comparison person video of Charlotte Tilbury's
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  setting spray and Huda Beauty's easy bake setting spray.
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  And the premise of this video was basically testing like quote
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  the strongest setting spray ever.
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  In the documents online, the influencer is not named.
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  But if you search on TikTok, there is a video with a lot of
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  views that comes up literally right away.
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  And it is by a creator named Alexandra.
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  And in it, she swatches makeup on the back of her hand and then
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  sprays it with one of the setting sprays and shows how
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  easily it wipes off or it doesn't wipe off.
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  And in the video, the Huda Beauty makeup setting spray
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  didn't wipe off. And in the Charlotte Tilbury
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  one, she said it with the setting spray and it did still
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  smudge. So that video was from March.
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  It was from a while ago. Huda Beauty posted this on their
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  Instagram page. So they saw the video on TikTok
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  obviously and reposted it on their Instagram.
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  Charlotte Tilbury didn't appreciate this repost.
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  She reported it to the better Bureau's national advertising
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  division or NAD Huda Beauty took the post down after this report
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  and then Huda Katan herself went to the creator's page.
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  So this creator, Alexandra, I assume it's her again, don't
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  know, but I assume it's her, posted it on TikTok and then she
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  reposted on her Instagram as well.
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  So Huda herself went to the Instagram page of this creator
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  on that video and said like thank you for this video.
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  Like we love it, but we had to take our repost down because of
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  Charlotte Tilbury. Okay, so keep in mind this was
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  not a paid influencer post. I guess the creator apparently
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  has received PR from Huda Beauty and the setting spray has been
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  in that PR at some point, but this was not like a paid post,
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  right? So that does make things a
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  little bit murky here. According to the NAD, which
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  claims that when a creator and a brand have a long standing
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  informal relationship, even if there was number compensation
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  for that specific post, the advertiser must sometimes like
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  comply by certain regulations and basically just like keep an
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  eye on the creators that they're sending PR to and stuff and
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  making sure that everything's like a bit above board.
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  And so I guess because who to remove the post and commented on
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  the creators post, the NAD has dropped the complaint.
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  OK, but you guys, this is crazy. This is crazy.
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  This was not like a campaign. This was not a paid post.
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  Like this was literally just like a regular creator doing a
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  comparison video. How many of those videos have we
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  seen over the years? Like those were bread and butter
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  of early beauty YouTube comparing different viral
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  products or different products that were like, you know,
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  similar from different brands and stuff.
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  Like it's so wild that Charlotte Tilbury was trying to like
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  basically control the narrative around her brand.
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  This much like you cannot control if an influencer posts a
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  native tutorial product review, any type of comparison video.
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  Like it's not your fault that this video allegedly showed that
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  Huda beauty setting powder or setting spray works better than
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  yours. You can't control that.
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  Was it a bit shady for Huda to repost it because it obviously
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  showed the brands in it? Like I don't know maybe?
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  But to file a formal complaint is insane.
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  That is so far, it's literally just business.
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  And to drag this influencer into that, like, I feel so bad.
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  I'm glad that none of this had anything to do with her.
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  But you know, if creators start to be concerned about posting
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  content like this because they're worried about their
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  content getting flagged or getting like official complaints
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  drawn against their content, like that's going to be even
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  worse for these brands. So yeah, it's it's it's kind of
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  wild that this happened. I don't think anything's going
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  to go any further, but it's a little bit of insight into
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  influencer marketing beauty tea for you guys.
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