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JFK ASSASSINATION Ep. 329 - JFKKK - The Ku Klux Klan & The JFKA · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: As the first step toward restoring transparency and accountability to government.
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  Speaker 1: We will also reverse the overclassification of government documents, and
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  Speaker 1: in the coming days, we are going to make public
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  Speaker 1: remaining records relating to the assassinations.
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  Speaker 2: Of President John F.
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  Speaker 1: Kennedy, his brother Robert Kennedy, as well as doctor Martin
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  Speaker 1: Luther King Junior, and other topics of great public And.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what he's up to.
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  Speaker 1: It's picking me like chickens, shocking me like con storing
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  Speaker 1: me like an ice.
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  Speaker 3: Dangerous is when the universe picked you and you put
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  Speaker 3: on the magic glasses.
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  Speaker 2: There's rules that go with.
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  Speaker 3: You can never take them home. You never see things
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  Speaker 3: that they proposed to be.
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  Speaker 4: You see things as they are. They could never force nobody.
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  Speaker 2: He is a race.
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  Speaker 2: Then job Joe Spend It's from a Wee Mame and
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  Speaker 4: Him. I want to see a bad shame Jack.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing Jos.
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  Speaker 4: Fellow show kill we.
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  Speaker 3: And before we go, I would like to wish a
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  Speaker 3: very happy birthday to my co host and friend mister
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  Speaker 3: Rob Clark, also known as the Triple B. That being said,
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  Speaker 3: here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for that elongated intro. Joe, Welcome in everyone to
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  Speaker 2: episode number three and twenty nine of the Lomnguming Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: We got a special guest this evening. His name is
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  Speaker 2: James Day. But we will get there in just one second, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: real quick. There was a Guinness World Record set over
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  Speaker 2: the weekend for the most guests on a podcast at
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  Speaker 2: one time. Can you guess the name of the podcast?
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  Speaker 3: Huh?
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  Speaker 4: I have no idea.
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  Speaker 2: It was called The Martin Talk Show.
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  Speaker 3: What was the how many guests?
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  Speaker 2: One hundred and forty at one time?
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  Speaker 4: WHOA?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? But enough about that, we have some We'll get
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  Speaker 2: into some Martin things with our guests a little later.
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  Speaker 2: James Day is a native of David Ferry's hometown of Cleveland, Ohio. Joe,
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  Speaker 2: he learned a little later that he attended the same
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  Speaker 2: Jesuit High school and university in Cleveland as Ferry. Both
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  Speaker 2: he and Ferry come from a line of Cleveland police
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  Speaker 2: and fire public servants. Is he a good guy like
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  Speaker 2: David Ferry.
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  Speaker 3: From all accounts so far, yes, yes. We'll see.
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  Speaker 2: His first three books were on the Catholic Church history
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  Speaker 2: before publishing The Mad Bishops The Hunt for Earl Angland,
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  Speaker 2: James and His Assassin Brethren in twenty twenty three. In
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, he put out around twenty five free
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  Speaker 2: and original articles on the Kennedys and King assassinations. He
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  Speaker 2: has advanced research on Ferry the Abundant Life Temple that
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  Speaker 2: I'm interested in as well, and has been hammering away
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  Speaker 2: at the white supremacy aspect of the JFK case. He
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  Speaker 2: lives in the rural part of North Orange County in
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  Speaker 2: southern California, with his wife, two children, nine chickens Joe
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  Speaker 2: I respect that, and six fruit trees. Hopefully they are
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  Speaker 2: lemons and oranges. Uh oh, where did James go? Uh oh?
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  Speaker 2: We lost James.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure he'll be back in a second. Well, happy birthday,
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  Speaker 3: rob Let's welcome some people and as.
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  Speaker 2: He yes, let me message him. Okay, Oh, Colleen, we'd
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  Speaker 2: love you so thank you, thank you, thank you. Right
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  Speaker 2: off the bat supersticker Hippo asked on this chair, propelling
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  Speaker 2: the chair across the room.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Colleen, Thank you, Colleen, and good evening.
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  Speaker 2: Bless you.
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  Speaker 3: Hello Scott, Hello, mister Paul Cummings tray. Of course, Paul
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  Speaker 3: psv odiously bungled Colleen. Of course we already said Sally
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  Speaker 3: says happy birthday as well. We saw Sally on Wednesday
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  Speaker 3: night of course South to West. Hello Zendar sixty one,
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  Speaker 3: Tiny Dancer.
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  Speaker 2: And.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Tiny, I did get the last email. I read
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  Speaker 3: it this morning. So, but we were joking around Rob
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  Speaker 3: and I after the Member's Only stream because it was
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  Speaker 3: also my birthday on a Friday when we have the
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  Speaker 3: live show, and how many years will we have to
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  Speaker 3: go before we have a year where both Robin my
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  Speaker 3: birthdays fall on pod Friday, seven years, like when the comments.
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  Speaker 2: Go by James Day. Hey, you have to talk to
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  Speaker 2: me when I tell you I gave you a hell
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  Speaker 2: of an introduction there.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what happened.
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  Speaker 2: I don't either, but we're glad you're back, and hopefully
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  Speaker 2: you don't disappear on the Welcome to the Show buddy.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. It's a pleasure and an honor for us
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  Speaker 2: to have you on. Like I told you in the email,
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  Speaker 2: I've had my eyeball on you for a couple of
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  Speaker 2: years now, ever since that Mad Bishop's book, because actually
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  Speaker 2: I was telling everybody on our Wednesday show. I did
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  Speaker 2: a podcast ten years ago. It's actually episode eight, like
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  Speaker 2: very very early on, and it was called the Bishops
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  Speaker 2: of New Orleans Wow, and and talked a lot about
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  Speaker 2: this stuff earl angling James, because I came across this
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  Speaker 2: cash of his, of his documents, and you know, it
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  Speaker 2: had things like, you know, if the bearer of this
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  Speaker 2: card gets pulled over in the state of Louisiana, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they get like a free free pass. You got to
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  Speaker 2: let him go. Things like that. So, yeah, man, it's
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  Speaker 2: great to have you on. And uh I know we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna be talking about the far right, uh kkk, mid
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  Speaker 2: tier general Walker things like that. So where do you
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  Speaker 2: want to start, James.
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  Speaker 4: I just want to first off, thanks for having me
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  Speaker 4: on guys. Recently I was listening to you. I did
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  Speaker 4: a night drive from southern California to northern California to
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  Speaker 4: San Francisco, and you guys kept me company. H That
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  Speaker 4: was actually my my intro to Janet Banister's work through
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  Speaker 4: your show. So I really appreciate that I gave her
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  Speaker 4: podcast a listen, and that actually opens the door to
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  Speaker 4: Huey Long believe it or not. Representing the Banister family
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  Speaker 4: after the electrocution of Troy, and so it was like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 4: there's the Huey Long connection, because you know, there's his
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  Speaker 4: associates are Gerald L. K. Smith and Leander Perez and
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  Speaker 4: both of them feature prominently and what we're talking about today.
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  Speaker 4: So hey, you know, so it's awesome to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Her podcast is awesome, isn't it. It's very interesting, a
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  Speaker 3: lot of history, especially in New Orleans. Like you said,
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  Speaker 3: Louis Long or Huie Long, Banister's brother getting kidnapped. There's
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  Speaker 3: a whole bunch of good stuff in that. It's really interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, So I'm looking forward to season two. I
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  Speaker 4: really hope she gets into more into Delphine Roberts, which
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  Speaker 4: would be awesome because she factors into today as well. Boy,
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  Speaker 4: she she liked to talk, and she liked to talk
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  Speaker 4: on op eds and on picketing signs, which we have
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  Speaker 4: as evidence of of I think a good case of
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  Speaker 4: what was kind of the mentality going on down there
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  Speaker 4: with the Banister operation. She was very vocal and there
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  Speaker 4: was no way she was in a she was working
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  Speaker 4: out of her own sort of vacuum, you know. She
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  Speaker 4: this was part of a greater thinking. What I'm referring
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  Speaker 4: to is white supremacy and Christian identity and pro segregation
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  Speaker 4: and anti Kennedy rhetoric and you know, anti disarmament yea,
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  Speaker 4: the policy anti communism exactly. So yeah, there's there's a
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  Speaker 4: lot there. Where where do we want to start? Well,
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  Speaker 4: let me let me just put it to you this way.
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  Speaker 4: It was in two thousand and five. I'm in school
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  Speaker 4: at Loyal and Merrimunt in West la just about a
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  Speaker 4: couple of miles north of lax and down the hill
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  Speaker 4: from our school, which is all built up now, but
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  Speaker 4: at the time it was the empty Hues Air Aircraft Field.
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  Speaker 4: So that's where Howard Hughes was back in the day,
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  Speaker 4: and it was Paramount was using it and they had
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  Speaker 4: built out ground zero for Oliver Stones World Trade Center. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so he's shooting, he's shooting down the hill. And that
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  Speaker 4: that year, that particular year was my foray into not
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  Speaker 4: only Stone but also JFK, the film. I think a
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  Speaker 4: lot of us came through to this through that right,
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  Speaker 4: and it took a long It took about fifteen years
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  Speaker 4: to return to the content of what was put out
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  Speaker 4: in JFK because I sort of filed it away as.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what you like that is.
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  Speaker 4: There's there's a lot there, And actually because because Oldman
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  Speaker 4: was so good as Oswald, you're kind of thinking he's
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  Speaker 4: got to be guilty, you know, because the way he
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  Speaker 4: portrays the complexity of this guy is so good. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: particularly the scene where he's kind of beating up Marina,
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  Speaker 4: you know, kind of like they're showing shots of him
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  Speaker 4: like really kind of being aggressive and acting out. So
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  Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know what to think, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And it was actually reading about my one of my
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  Speaker 4: second daughter was in the nick Yu she'd just been born,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm I'm visiting the hospital at night and I'm
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  Speaker 4: reading about like Gladio and it's through Operation Gladio on
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  Speaker 4: all this, and I came across Perman Dex and Clay
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  Speaker 4: Shaw that said click as in Tommy Lee Jones, what
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  Speaker 4: you know. I always thought it was in its own
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  Speaker 4: world and I never thought of it outside the context
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  Speaker 4: of sort of like how Stone presented it, right, I
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  Speaker 4: saw like that into the Vatican Bank, for instance, some
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  Speaker 4: of the Earl England James shows up as a guy
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  Speaker 4: who was giving away identification papers to people who were
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  Speaker 4: later involved in the back In Bank scandals. So that
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  Speaker 4: started up. That started the process of where we and
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  Speaker 4: how I am here today on the Lone Gunment podcast,
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  Speaker 4: which I'm honored.
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  Speaker 2: You're in the right place because you know, we've been
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  Speaker 2: talking for years and years about folks like of the
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  Speaker 2: same ilk as Earl Anglin James, like David Ferry and
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  Speaker 2: Thomas Beckham, Fred Christman, these purveyors of false documents, you know, yeah, uh,
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  Speaker 2: and and of course they're all excuse me, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in doctrinated into this old Orthodox Russian UH Church, which.
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  Speaker 4: Theologically makes no sense. There is no way you can
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  Speaker 4: combine Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy and make a church
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  Speaker 4: out of it. It's it's total nonsense. And I say
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  Speaker 4: this as a guy, and you mentioned this already as
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  Speaker 4: a guy who basically followed Fairy Fairy's footsteps from Cleveland
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  Speaker 4: through the same Jesuit high school of the same Jesuit university.
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  Speaker 4: So I kind of know where he was coming from
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  Speaker 4: in a way I don't want to. I don't. I
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  Speaker 4: can't get inside David Ferry's mind anyway, but he knows better.
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't want to either, But he knows better than then. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: Peschi was good, but but Fairy was really smart, Fairy like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it was a lot more dangerous than maybe
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  Speaker 4: Pesci played. I actually contacted Peschi's agent and I was like,
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  Speaker 4: did he do any research in Cleveland? You know, She's
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  Speaker 4: like no, but but but still though it was it
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  Speaker 4: was kind of cool to hear back from that. But yeah, no,
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  Speaker 4: there's no way. So it's a complete fraud. These these
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  Speaker 4: there is an old Catholic church that spun off from Roman,
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  Speaker 4: the Roman Catholic Church. There is some legitimacy there.
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  Speaker 2: But it's more of a church on paper and instead
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  Speaker 2: of a brick and mortar building that this is my
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  Speaker 2: church that I'm running type of thing.
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  Speaker 4: You know. Let's take let's take Carl Stanley from Louisville
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  Speaker 4: as an example. Uh, thankfully newspapers have his addresses. You
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  Speaker 4: look him up and it's like this is where the
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  Speaker 4: Church of the Holy Holy where Archbishop Stanley presides over
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  Speaker 4: his weekend liturgy. So you look at it. It's his apartment,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it's like this Louisville apartment CONFLX. I want
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  Speaker 4: to put something out there that I think I haven't
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  Speaker 4: really digested yet. But let's just put it out there.
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  Speaker 4: I think, you know, we know Farry and Martin we're
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  Speaker 4: visiting Stanley right in nineteen sixty one, and they for
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  Speaker 4: this ordination into Stanley's church. We think there's a connection
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  Speaker 4: between Stanley and possibly Walter Profetta, certainly some kind of
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  Speaker 4: anti communist connection. There's also a possibility he was related
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  Speaker 4: to the Shick Shiny Knights, the Sovereign Order of Saint
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  Speaker 4: John Jerusalem. Possibly. But the key, as you know, is
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  Speaker 4: that they're out hitting the Louisville Bars and that's when
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  Speaker 4: they basically revealed to Stanley that there's a plot in
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  Speaker 4: the works to kill.
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  Speaker 2: Oh did he freeze up on you, Joe? Yes, sir James,
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  Speaker 2: if you can hear us, you are frozen. Hopefully he'll
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  Speaker 2: be back. He must be having a connection issues here
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  Speaker 2: he is. I won't let me add him back there
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  Speaker 2: he is unfrozen.
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  Speaker 4: You guys are never gonna have me on again.
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  Speaker 3: And Sino man, it's fine, that's uh. We do love
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  Speaker 3: a lot when we do live podcasting. Nothing, brother, this
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  Speaker 3: is nothing we've had.
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  Speaker 4: Do you remember where I left off?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Stanley, Martin and uh uh the bishops.
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  Speaker 4: So where they they basically told Stanley there's a plot
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  Speaker 4: in the works to kill the president two years before
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  Speaker 4: it happened. So I got the document. So Stanley excommunicates
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  Speaker 4: Ferry and Martin a few months later, supposedly because Fairy
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  Speaker 4: was homosexual, which is also a joke, because that whole
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  Speaker 4: front was basically a homosexual front for you know, at
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  Speaker 4: a time when it was you know, you can really
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  Speaker 4: be out there with it. So but but here here's so,
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  Speaker 4: I got the document, the rowl of excommunication from Stanley,
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  Speaker 4: and he's naming all the names. And these are all
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  Speaker 4: names that we're familiar with from the Banister operation, from
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  Speaker 4: his detective agency, even I mean even banisters on the
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  Speaker 4: list of excommunicated bishops, along with Martin and others. So
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  Speaker 4: I listed all these maybe half dozen names or so,
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  Speaker 4: and I kind of checked them off where we know
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  Speaker 4: who these guys are. There's a couple I didn't know,
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  Speaker 4: and I connected with the son of one of these names,
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  Speaker 4: who's a Jesuit priest. Currently he's retired now, but he
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  Speaker 4: got backed me right away. He says, I wasn't eleminary
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  Speaker 4: when this all happens, so I can't really tell you much.
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  Speaker 4: I can tell you my father, whose name is the
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  Speaker 4: one on this Bullevex communication. My father worked with Ferry
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  Speaker 4: at Eastern Airlines. This very interesting. There's another name blanking
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  Speaker 4: on the name right now, guy named Bell I think
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  Speaker 4: who's on this list also in Eastern Airlines employee. So
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  Speaker 4: that's three Eastern Airlines guys who are excommunicated by Stanley
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  Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty two. And I'm wondering. We're always trying
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  Speaker 4: to think it has something maybe to do with the
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  Speaker 4: plot or the assassination of the conspiracy, but could it
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  Speaker 4: have been something related to that whole fairies on leave
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  Speaker 4: from Eastern air because of you know, the sodomy issue,
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  Speaker 4: and there was a whole FAA you know recent right
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  Speaker 4: the investigation which is very over the top investigation on that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they dig dug into who his teachers were,
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  Speaker 4: and they're interview all these people. So I'm wondering if
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  Speaker 4: was he trying in some way to get out of that?
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  Speaker 4: You know, I don't know, but I just wanted to
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  Speaker 4: put that out there to you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Quite possible.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So really quick, before we move on from that,
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  Speaker 3: did Ferry and Martin go to Stanley together and kind
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  Speaker 3: of get ordained. And obviously we know by the time
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  Speaker 3: of the assassination they were not close. They hated each other.
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  Speaker 3: Jack Martin was responsible for kind of calling out David
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  Speaker 3: Ferry to the FBI, and he was interviewed, I believe
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  Speaker 3: on the twenty fifth when he came back. Do you
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  Speaker 3: think their the start of their feud had anything to
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  Speaker 3: do with the Stanley Bishop thing? And in nineteen sixty
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  Speaker 3: one and two.
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  Speaker 4: I think so, yeah, So I think, yeah, it looks
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  Speaker 4: like it looks like Joe, it looks like Martin was
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  Speaker 4: the guy who was the conduit between Stanley and Ferry.
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  Speaker 4: It looks like Martin had our already been brought into
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  Speaker 4: that world through Stanley, and then it became let's get
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  Speaker 4: Fairy in and a vouch for him in a sense
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  Speaker 4: about yeah basically yeah, but yeah, like I'm presenting, let
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  Speaker 4: me I present to you, David Ferry. You know, I
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  Speaker 4: think that that's kind of what that was. And then
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  Speaker 4: shortly thereafter early sixty two, there's those there's that excommunication,
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  Speaker 4: and things move pretty quickly because you know, the next
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  Speaker 4: year the President's killed, and sixty two sixty three is
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  Speaker 4: when Faery is making a bunch of those calls up
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  Speaker 4: to the puppet master early England James up in Toronto,
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  Speaker 4: maybe to lobby for something or you know, ask for
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  Speaker 4: some help. You know, James made a career out of those,
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  Speaker 4: you know, dishing out fake diplomas, fake anything that you
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  Speaker 4: wanted and you just call them up. So he also,
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  Speaker 4: which is very interesting, when when when when the newspapers
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  Speaker 4: when Garrison's case broke out or in James's name came
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  Speaker 4: up in that the Toronto Star or something like that,
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  Speaker 4: sought him out up there in Toronto where he lived
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  Speaker 4: and he said, well, why do you think the president
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  Speaker 4: got killed in Earle, England? James says he went down
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  Speaker 4: to Texas to get the colored vote and they said,
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  Speaker 4: we can't let that happen. In the context of segregation
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  Speaker 4: and this whole right wing thing, it sort of plays
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  Speaker 4: right into that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, yeah, I know. I think Jack Martin's
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  Speaker 2: excuse for why he was so quick to give up
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  Speaker 2: David Ferry, you know, in nineteen sixty three, is because
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  Speaker 2: of the whole Eastern Airlines thing. So I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if it was something he some kind of bitterness, did
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  Speaker 2: he hung on too, or that's what he was fixated on.
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  Speaker 2: But I know that that's the excuse that he gave,
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  Speaker 2: you know, for not liking David Ferry anymore, you know,
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  Speaker 2: at least at that point, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, that raises the point that I do
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  Speaker 4: want to touch on it. So when I was looking
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  Speaker 4: into Martin's life, he was we really spent a lot
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: of time of his youth in la But in nineteen
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: forty three, his mother is living in Dayton, Ohio. Dayton,
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: Ohio is really well mostly known for Right Air Force Base,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: and the address I found is really right in the
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: shadow of Right Air Force Base. At the same time
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: he's there, Fairy is about sixty miles north at that
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: Saint Charles Seminary at the same time. Now, I'm just saying,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: you know, I've you know, I've been accused of propinquity
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: and all that, So it could be just a coincidence.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: What your time frame is this again?
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: This was forty three three, Okay, you know Martin was
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: born about in twenty one or so. But yeah, actually
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: just Sally McNamara said white Texans killed him. Yes, that
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: that was early England, James, he said, white Texans. He
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: went down to get the color vote and the White
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Texans said we can't have that, So thank you Sally
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: for that.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got some top notch then hang with us.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: They are very smart, they are. We start talking about Shreveport.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I got a question or two on that.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: But Tiny Dancer, one of our members here, paying members,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: says she wanted She sent us an email earlier and
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: wanted to ask mister Day if he was aware of
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: the House Intelligence actions in ninety six towards legislative bands
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: on religion and covert operations.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: This is the first I'm hearing of this. This is
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: this sounds fantastic. Yeah, so I'm going to dig into that.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Cool.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was. I remember listening to a
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: podcast that Peter Lavenda was on. Yeah, uh many years ago,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: and he had some various stute observations about the bishops
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: and kind of what they could get away with. And
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: you know, when when you have a man, you know,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: dressed as a religious official, I mean they can go
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: into hospitals, jails, pretty much anywhere unobstructed. I mean he
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: said there was even one that managed to get uh
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: into into Rfk's funeral Himnda it was, yeah, and he
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: managed to get into RFK Senior's funeral. He said it
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: was like sitting like two rows behind, you know, all
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: the Kennedys, and nobody questioned anything just because he had
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: on the right uniform.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So if you're a detective agency like Guy Banister
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: and associates, that's that's a great disguise. You can get
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: somebody like Fairy who knows like the who's who's actually
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: in two different seminaries, like legitimate centinaries. You know, you're
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: gonna know the Rubrits. You're kind of gonna know how
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: how these guys walk and even how they talk is
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: it is a little you know, it's a little different.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: You know, mannerisms things like that. Sure, Yeah, I gave
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Sally some homework. Actually to go watch Leander Perez's Firing
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Line with William F. Buckley. I don't know if you've
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: ever seen that.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I have not.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: It's a great watch on YouTube if you're ever bored
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: for about forty five minutes. Uh yeah, it's it's it's something. Yeah,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: it was like it had to be an earth late sixties,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: early seventies, and he's still he's it'll push and segregation,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: you know, you.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Know, I've got a picture of Perez that I can show.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: We can talk about him if you want. Sure, Yeah,
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: this is my one of the folders.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: There.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: He is Leander Perez, one of the financial backers of
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: the assassination, according to.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Your screen share there at the bottom.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Oh my bad, sorry, that's all right.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Ye.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Leander Perez. Right there, a judge and a district attorney
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: of another parish in New Orleans in Louisiana.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: That looks like the wrong tab looks like the email one.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Oh shoot, you still got that up?
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Well take me off. I don't sorry, guys, you.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Could just stop as well.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: I'm just reshareing, gotcha. Well, yeah, anyway, I won't waste
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: any more time on trying to find that.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: But looks like your typical white supremacist from the Cities.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: If you've seen Joseph Miltier you.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, you know Willy summers said. You know again,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: you know you can't corroborate what Willy Sommerset says because
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: he's sort of like I said this, or I'm quoting somebody.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: You don't really you know. But he's never really proven
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: to be wrong. He actually is more often than not,
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: he is his predictions proved right. An example I used
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: was he called the UH the FBI the week of
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: the assassination of m Olka on April first or something,
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: and he said, MLK is gonna be shot this week,
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: and sure enough, you know, April fourth, it was he
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: called a guy called SAP. So all these things he
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: seemed to know. And you know, you guys, I don't
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: know if if you're familiar with the ed doctor Edward Fields,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: who started the National States Rights Party white supremacist movement.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: You know, back in the day all the they had
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: all these political parties that were that were propping up.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: That was how they were rebelling. Right, They would like
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: they would run MacArthur even if MacArthur wasn't interested, or
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Gerald L. K. Smith ran the Christian Nationalist Party for
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: a little bit, or you know, so Edward Fields ran
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: the National States Rights Party. He's still alive, he's ninety two,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: and he occasionally sends me his latest pamphlets, which wow,
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: gladly yea. But he told me he Smith's summers. I
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: sent him like maybe thirteen questions, did you know David Ferry? Yes, no,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: And you just have to check him for me. And
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: he actually took him eight months, but he read it
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: road back to me denied knowing fairy. He said Miltier
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: was not in Dalely Plaza, but he said that. He said,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Willie Summerset is an FBI and a paid FBI in
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: formant who lied for money. So he was really upset
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: about Willie Somerset, you know, because.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Of the mill Tier thing and the tape.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: So he had to lie about that, you know.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: And it's not the tape. The tape is a great
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: just and it's alone. But the fact that mil Tier, sorry,
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Somerset picked up Miltier from the train station I think
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: in Jacksonville the day after on November twenty third, and
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Miltier a great case. Cawfield makes the great case and
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: others that Miltier is standing right there in Deely Plaza.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: They're going to a clan meeting in Carolina. So Somerset's
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: driving him to Okay and he's driving him up to Carolina,
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: and the mil Tiers like loving life. He's like super
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: happy with what happened, but he doesn't want to. He's like, well,
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: you're asking a lot of questions about yesterday, you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: to Somerset, and somersays like that I guess they were
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: childhood friends or something, so they've known, they've known each
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: other for a long time. But he doesn't want to
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: push that he's this that he's getting information, so he
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: kind of like, let let it happen. They're going to
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: a clan meeting and the whole Miltiers focused on the
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: next phase, which was that to blame the assassination on
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: the Jews. That was the goal. But on that car
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: drive he named names. He named three shooters that Rob
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Reiner and no one really ninety nine percent aren't talking
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: about it. It's shocking to me.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or I ever heard of I couldn't even tell you.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I've never if I've read him, it's been a while.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: Mm. Well, we can discuss those names real quick.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you got them, of course, of.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Course, Willie Somerset said, per Chase.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: By the way, James, Willie summer Set has the best
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: nickname ever. What is it?
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Bucket ass eighty eight eighty eight?
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Baby, yes, sir, oh back up for people that are
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: how did he get this nickname?
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: I agree? So he said, per mil Teer. There were
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: three gunmen in the in the in the in the zone.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: One was a guy called theater r Jackman. Two was
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: a guy called ri E. Davis or wrote roy E Davis,
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: and three was a guy called JD. Tippet.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: I did. Yeah, Okay, now now that Natty you mentioned that. Yeah,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: it's interesting he mentioned JD. Tippers name.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: It's not it is but the fact that you know,
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: he didn't just pull these names out of a hat,
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: because I did extensive pealing back. Yeah, who these were.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: But at that point, to mention JD. Tippet as a
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: shooter was unheard of. Oh, you know, an a siege
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: man thing in the eighties, you know.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Right right, right, right, right right, and and everything else
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: that happened in the what thirty forty minutes hour after
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: twelve thirty, right after the assassination. It's you know, so,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: but let me just kind of back up if I can,
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: and just say this is where the Klan comes in
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: on a very tangible basis because Ari Davis. First off,
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Ari Davis is like at least seventy in nineteen sixty three,
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: so it's kind of weird that he puts that name
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: out there. But he, first off is a preacher. He's
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: a healing preacher in the Pentecost tradition. He is an
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: avid deer hunter. He is one of the main clansmen
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: of the Klan REVIVALO. So this is where I had
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: to learn about the Klan too. Beyond the school, there
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: was the post Civil War clan reactivated after d W.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: Griffis Worth of the Nation in nineteen fifteen. This Ri
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: Davis is supposedly one of those fifteen who reactivated the
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: clan on Stone Mountain in Georgia, and he's one of
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: the main He's like the Imperial Dragon in Texas. This
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: guy is who what rank that would be?
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Maybe like make an analogy of like a general or
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: a colonel or a captain for people.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Know, I mean he is that is like one of
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: the top major general figures. Yeah, got it, got it
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: certainly in the South specifically too. He was a big
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: recruiter when he reactivated the Klan in nineteen six He's
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: recruiting in Louisiana. At the same time per Jeff Cawfield,
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: banisters doing some recruitment for klansmen in Mississippi, which is interesting.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: So he's clanned through and through. He's a Pentecostal healing
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: preacher through and through. His kind of acolyte is a
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: guy called William Branham out of Indiana, also part of
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: this Pentecostal healing preacher picture. Branham's acolyte is Jim Jones. Okay,
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: so we've let this of Jonestown fame, right, So we've
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: let this whole thing become so festered and unchecked that
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: it paved the way for guys like Jim Jones and
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: the whole Christian identity in the white supremacy movement that
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: we're still dealing with today. So we have the Klan
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: aspect there by the way, Ri Davis lived three and
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: a half miles from where Tippett was shot at like
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: tenth and Patten. He was he was part of the
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: oak Cliffe oddfellows such and such, you know that kind
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: of thing. Also John Collins, who was formerly in this
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: church as a youngster and now writes about experiencing what
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: it was like being part of this Pentecostal healing church,
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: who has nothing to do with the assassination of the president.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: This is only through his own research of growing up
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: under these clansmen as a young man. As a youngster,
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: points out that Ari Davis was provided the equipment to
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: Robert Surrey to print the wanted for treason leaflets that
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: that equipment actually came from Ari Davis, the same guy
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: who Willie Summers had said pull the trigger in Daily Plaza.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: When Jack was doing his crazy gum shoe investigation on
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: his own the night the night of the assassination up
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: to the shooting of Oswald, He's fixated on the welcome
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: mister Kennedy right in the Dallas Morning News. It sends
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: him go ahead, Joff, Sorry, no, I.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Said he was. I believe the ad was made by
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Bernard Weissmann, right, Jus saying yeah, yeah, and he.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: Was very.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Aware and worried that the Jews were to be blamed
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: for the assassination.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: Am I wrong?
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. He's in the Dallas Morning News office that
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: that morning and he finds that really the Weissman thing
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: is more of a front really for the John Birchers
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: who put that that ad out there. So he's fixated
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: on this throughout the day. At first, he thought, oh,
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: what a nice what a nice flyer. They're welcoming the president,
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: you know, and he's reading it and he's like becoming
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: But he's fixated on it so much so that at
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: four am, after he was at the press conference. At midnight,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: he took the sandwiches to the police and he's like
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: at the Oswald press conference, as we know. Then he
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: took some more sandwiches to a newsroom KLF where he
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: knew somebody. And then at four am he takes two buddies,
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: Larry Crawford and George Senator and they go out to
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: the Stemens Freeway and they take the want impach or
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: a Warren billboard. He was thinking that the people who
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: were behind the impach Earl Warren billboard also had something
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: to do with the derogatory flyer against the president. The
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: PO boxes don't add up. They are different. But this
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: is where Coffeel does, like with some of his great work.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: They came from the same like postal zone and Postal
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: Zone twenty one in Dallas. And Ruby actually goes to
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: the postal office to find out where these boxes are
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: and he's able to confirm the one. And there's like
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: a bunch of general Walker like PO boxes in this
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: same like post office. But he was never able to
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: figure out who the post office box was listed on
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: this impeach Earl Warren billboard. Well I found out who
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: owned that PO box just last week it's the wife
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: of R. E. Davis, the klansman we've been talking about,
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: whose summrset was in Deally Plaza. So we have Ari
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: Davis who's back, who's financially are giving equipment for the
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: wanted for treason that the president's wanted for treason, and
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: Ari Davis, whose po box is behind the impeach Earl
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: Warren billboard. So that just kind of tightens up Davis
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: even a little more. All Right, I gotta say this
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: both Theodore R. Jackman, the shooter who I mentioned, was
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: also a preacher. He came out of Amy Semple McPherson's
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: Angelus Temple up here in LA and the Life Bible College,
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: which is he was a teacher in the thirties when
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Wesley Swift was a student there. Wesley Swift founder of
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: Jesus Christ Christian. He was a rightful instructor for the Klan.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: I think he had a lot to do with what
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: was going on. He was tight with William Potter Gale,
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: who was one of MacArthur's colonels. They started the Christian
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: Defense League and the Anti Communist lays on. So there's
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: that whole kind of faction going on in southern California,
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: that this Jackman guy was part of. Jackman, like Delphine, Roberts,
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: liked to talk, so he did a lot about eds
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: about why that he was didn't like Kennedy's disarmament policies.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: For one, he thought there were Congolese troops who are
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: going to invade Georgia. He was putting that out as
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: like a fear mongering thing in like sixty two sixty three.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: He also and he fronted as this expert in antiquities
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: for Palestine. You know so, but according to Willie Somerset,
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: he was one of the toughest killers. Believe it or not,
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: this Theodore R. Jackman really Okay. So that leads us
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: to JD. Tippett being shot outside the Abundant Life Temple,
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: three and a half miles from where Ari Davis lived.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: The Abundant Life Temple is also a Pentecostal healing revival place.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: It falls into this whole part of this whole tradition
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: of these same kind of preachers that Ari Davis and
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: Jackman are. Moreover, it was founded and owned by a
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: gentleman called Obie Graham, who's mentioned in the in the literature.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: You know was never brought before the commission though, don't
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: know where he was on the twenty second, But there's
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: witnesses who say that an Assalian of Tippett supposedly fled
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: into this church. As said, you know, what Garrison thought
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: is like this prearranged safe house that opened up the
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: door to like this whole you know, world of intrigue
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: and stuff like that. In reality, though, and Garrison's investigators
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: looked into the church, they found the list of incorporators.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: They thought they were trying to find a link to
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: these names of these incorporators and Jack Ruby. They couldn't
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: really figure it out, and that sort of seemed to
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: be the end of it. I called, I got on
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: the phone and talked to the son of one of
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: these incorporators. This guy's seventy seven. The incorporator's name was
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: George Cherrell, who started Who's formed the Abundant Life Temple
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: with Obie Graham. And he he said, well, my father
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: was Obi Graham's biggest supporter until nineteen sixty two or
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty three. I said, boyd, why did what happened?
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Then he goes he partnered with a guy from la
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: a preacher from La called O. L. Jaggers. My father
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: did not like O. L. Jaggers's style and tone, and
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: he broke away from Obi Grant. O. L. Jaggers is
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: part and parcel with Ari Davis Branham. It's just amazing
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: how it just as a piece of a puzzle went
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: right together with all of what Willie Somersett was saying.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: He's part of that world, you know, and he and
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: he was doing things that apparently this George Charrell didn't.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Like, you know.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: More he was any relation to where Oswald worked there
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: for a time in Dallas. Jaggers childs.
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: I never thought of that actually, but it's it's worth
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: looking into.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a weird last name, you know what
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, Like yep, huh.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's cool. One other thing about Obi Graham.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: So both buildings, the Texas school Book Depository and the
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Abundant Life Temple. All right, you know JFK killed outside
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: the TSBD. You have Tippet killed outside the Abundant Life Temple.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: Both those buildings were only moved in by its occupants
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: in the months leading up to the assassination, as you know,
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, right, the Texas school Book Depository was across
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: the street until it started leasing from Bird the actual
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: building in sixty three. And so why are you laying floors,
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: by the way, when you had a year and a
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: half of unoccupied space that just sat there. You're not
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: doing anything with it, okay, And then you're like laying
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: flooring when there's all these and what a sloppy operation.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: By the way, those books, like those boxes, it is
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: just a mess. I just got to put that out there.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: We asked that question on here all the time.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah, I mean, and then it's becomes kind
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: of bobbyous. It's like, oh, we're creating a distraction here,
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: you know. But so that's that. So both those buildings
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: were occupied by its current owners, and Obi Graham sold
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: the Abundant Life Church in sixty four, so he was done.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: He was out of there.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Obie Graham was a Civil Air Patrol chaplain in the Carolinas.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: He was called the flying Evangelist because of his piloting abilities.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: So not only do you have the occupants of those
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: two buildings moving in roughly around the same time, they're
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: both owned by Civil Air Patrol Connections Bird of course,
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: you know, the wing commander of Texas and one of
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: the co founders. And now this chaplain from from north
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: North Carolina or South Carolina. He's from the.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Carolina that's associated with Cap David Ferry.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: You know exactly, and by extension, the cadet known as
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: Lea Oswald in nineteen fifty five, you know exactly.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Thank you, John, appreciate it. Yeah, I got it. This
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: stuff goes deep. I love it.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: I love it, Sally, Sally McNamara, I got I thought
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: Tippett was in the boot whilst JFK pulled the squid.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: At Expose. This is actually last year, or actually leading
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: up to the sixtieth somebody put out this documentary called JFS.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it talks about the squib thing, which is just ridiculous.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: But yeah, we had to laugh about that.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: We always do have a good laugh about So before
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: I want to move on to General Walker, but before,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: could you talk about what kind of connections JD. Tippett
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: might have had to the far right before.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: We go, Well, well, first off, I heard this is
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: I actually want to put this out there before I forget.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: There was a twenty thirteen Dallas magazine like that the
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: title is called like Dallas, you know magazine that said
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: tipp it. We're part time at the Texas Theater. That's interesting.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: I think that bears. I don't know if you guys
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: have ever heard that before. I heard that's kind of weird.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: Have you heard that I have?
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there part time there, part time Austin's Barbecue, right right.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: He would take various side jobs, even for Jack Ruby.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Is kind of like a es quarter bouncer at some
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: of these private uh bottle kind of things, you know
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: what I mean? That weren't at the Carousel Club.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, well, yeah, so the Austin's Barbecue is is
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: really where you can make the good argument that he
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: was indoctrinated or at least maybe recruited by the right
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: because that was where the John Bird Society would would
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: meet quite often. Was was this Austin's Barbecue? So to
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: your question, I think that might be a way in.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: Boy he's a mysterious figure though for sure. But but
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: but really, the Austin's Barbecue for me, is where I
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: would I would land in terms of his just an
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: obvious way of him connecting with the with the right.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I always thought he could he could possibly too
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: on the on the police force, you know, like, you know,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: befriend some like minded folks. That that's was their mindset,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Thanks Rob. So the John Collins who I mentioned was
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: doing a lot of deep dive into his own religious
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: background and and and only really through happenstance touched on
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: the assassination by mentioning that Ari Davis was the equipment
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: provider of the flyer distribution that we talked about. He
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: said that this Ari Davis, this klansman was known to
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: place u A clan folk into the Dallas PD as
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: it like a way to infiltrate or it was a
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: way to like maybe because he was into recruitment, as
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: I mentioned, So that was something that he did that
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: I think is is bears mentioning. Yeah, I know.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: There was a you know, a set of photos that
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: were taken as they were leading the three tramps through
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Dealey Plaza, right, and I think a couple of the
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: officers had were photographed with this weird patch that people
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: tried to say it was like a KKK symbol on
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: their on their uniform. It has since been debunked, okay,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: but that was the that was the belief for a
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: lot of years. It looked very similar, but it meant something.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: It didn't mean. That's not what it meant. It meant
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: something else. But uh yeah, I always thought that, you know,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: it's possible that he could have meant like minding people
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: on the force, you know, if if that's the way
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: you know his mindset was, you know, yeah, yeah. And
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: then General Walker's buddy, Warren Reynolds, was working right around
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: the corner from where JD got shot.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: Uh would tell me more about that.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Uh well, Warren Reynolds, Okay, he was he he was
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: around the corner. Uh at a I guess him and
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: his brother owned a car dealership, used car dealership.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: He was friendly with General Walker, Like he would go
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: to General Walker's house and they would talk politics and
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: all that stuff. But it was I think it was
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: in January after the assassination. While he was closing up
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: one night, somebody snuck down, followed him down the stairs
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: when he was turning the lights off, and shot him
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: in the head. But here's a crazy thing. They shot
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: him in the head with a rifle. It didn't kill
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: him though. They took one shot and then they they
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: left and he stumbled up the steps and he was okay.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Enough to like lean on the car and call the
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: call the ambulance or whatever, and he and he ended
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: up living, right, But before he got shot in the head,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: he wasn't really too sure about if the person he
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: saw a fleeing the tip of scene was Oswald or not.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: But after he got shot in the head, he was.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: He was fairly confident, you know, close to one hundred
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: percent that the person he saw fleeing from the scene
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: was Oswalt.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Wow, But yeah, I always thought it was wild when
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: it came came out that he was associated with General Walker,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: right quin maybe a coincidence, I don't know, No, I
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: can't imagine.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: And you know, before you get I know we're gonna
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: touch on Walker. But just these these quote unquote killings,
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: surely thereafter right Banister, by the way, June of sixty four,
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: he's dead. But that's just a very small example, as
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: you know. But somebody, why I say the Klan, I
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: don't necessarily mean because these guys, you know, it's a
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: way for me to kind of use that as a
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: way to explain the far right, because these guys are
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: back in the day, especially in the sixties. You know,
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: they're all part of these different clubs and organizations and
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: the Ladies Guild and you know that kind of thing.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: So it's not like you can't really box yourself into
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: one thing. So when I say the Klan, I don't
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: really I don't necessarily mean just the Klan. I mean,
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: these guys can go home and then they're going to
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: like Austin's barbecue for their Bird Society being then bowling
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: with whatever, you know, anti.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Collar in their white hoods twenty four to seven, you know,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: exactly exactly.
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: So but my, my, my hunt is that some somebody
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: like that would have the capability and the motive and
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: thus the means to do these kind of takeouts of
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: individuals like Reynolds for instance, you know, the dirty work
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: kind of thing without without a second.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Thought, you know, and even when you even when you
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: are you're saying far right. You know, a lot of
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: these very rich oil men like hl Hunt were very
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: far right and loaded, I mean to the point of
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: being like one of the richest persons in America at
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, Leander Perez loaded, yes, you know, oh loaded, yeah, loaded,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: dirty as hell and loaded.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, sorry, Joe, I'm sorry, They're still loaded. The
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: Hunts still on the Kansas City Chiefs, who in two
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: days from now are going to be playing the Super Bowl,
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: going for the first three peats. So it's kind of
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: funny that they're kind of still around. No one really
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: recognizes that connection, right, the Hunts that own Kansas City
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: being I think the granddaughters of hl Aunt. It's very
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: interesting that they're still kind of relevant today.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: I got I got to put this out there based
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: on what you were just saying, and I'll do this.
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: I'll do this delicately, but I don't care anymore.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fine.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: But I work in in Catholic media. I basically, you know,
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: I went through Catholic school, so I've been involved in
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: Catholic academia as my profession, and so there's a different
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: there's different ministries within the Catholic Church, you know, and
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: then we all kind of know each other for the
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: most part. One of these ministries super high up on
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: the board is Lamar Hunt. I think it's so I
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: think that this grandson, one of the grandsons of hl
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: who had is I guess religious conversion. Obviously they were
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: not Catholic, so he had this religious and I just
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: want to so talk to him, you know, but I can't.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: I can only tell you guys.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: Is he a Protestant? Was that it or Jesuit?
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: No?
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: No, no, no no.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: So like like the Hunts in general, like hl hl
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: came from from a Protestant. I don't know the denomination
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: a Jesuit. The Jesuits is an order of Catholic priests,
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: so it's still Catholic, you know. But hl Hunt, who
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: was breast fut until he was aged seven, certainly.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah, there's a fun fact that is funny. Wow,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: explains a lot though. Yeah, we like that fun here, James,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: I love it. I love it.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: Sally is killing it tonight tonight with the comments she said,
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: didn't host Ian. I'm highlighting this because it's going to
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: be a segue into the Walker questions. Didn't host you
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: play bridge with Robert Surrey? Walker's kind of mate. She's
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: from Ireland, Scotland. Uh, second in command kind of right.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: Well, he's certainly Walker's mate, But I don't know, I
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: don't know the bridge thing. And where do you guys
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: come down on James.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Housty That's a good one. I think he knew more
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: than he ever said. I think he was more assigned
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: to Marina Oswald than Lee Oswald. And I think that
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: he was roy really screwed over by j Edgar Hoover,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: and he was quite bitter about it till till till
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: he died. Pretty much. Other than that, honestly, I don't know,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: but yeah, he led a fascinating life, you know.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and with him and the whole destroying the
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: note from Oswalt, which I guess was referring to his
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: contact with his wife Marina, I mean, all if it
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: stinks to high hell, I know his book assignment Oswalt
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: is a very interesting one.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: And uh yeah, he was.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: Robert Surrey's bridge partner once a week for or whatever
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: time it was for for a long time, and that's
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: one of the the interesting connections there.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: But uh and I think Roger one of our our
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: music man, Lee Harold Oswald, he's I think he's from
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: the Kansas City here. He says, it's right now. The
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: owner is Clark Hunt, and the NFL is rigged as
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: the WWS.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I know we're gonna segue into Walker.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: But you know, speaking of football, the fact that the
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: Cowboys played that weekend in Cleveland, of all places, I've
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: always thought that was just fascinating because of the NonStop coverage,
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: and I think it was broadcast.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of I think I remember hearing the record,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: sorry the recording of when they broke in the the
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: game and they were like, you know, we have an announcement.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: You know, President Kennedy has been shot in Dallas. I
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: don't know, they want to keep playing the game.
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: Well that was so that was the game was Sunday,
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: and right before the game, so the the AFL, well
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: they hadn't merged yet. This is obviously sixty three, so
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: the AFL canceled the games. The NFL decided to play.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: Now this is this is Murchison's. Uh Jack Taylor may
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: be able to help me out here, but this is
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: Murchison's Cowboys if I'm correct. But anyway, they're in they're
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: in the locker room and someone goes up to Tom Landry,
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: Cowboys coach, and goes Lee, Oswald just got killed. Jack
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: Ruby shot him or you know, I don't know if
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: he'said Jack Ruby shot him, but he's like the assassins
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: of Kennedy, and Landry said okay, thank you, and they
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: go out and play and the fans, of course, are
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: just booing the Cowboys any time. They didn't even actually
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: say Dallas, they just referred to Cowboys. At Cleveland's during
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: that game, there was half the crowd was there. They
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: did a two minute morning of silence. It was supposed
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: to be a moment of silence and extended to like
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: two or three minutes. It was just the most inappropriate
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: thing to be doing, you know, the Sunday before Thanksgiving. Yeah,
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: the day before the funeral anyway. But my point is, though,
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: is this was that in some way I don't know
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: too because the NonStop coverage that was going on, like
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: NBC playing the Oswalt debate and everything over and over
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: and over again. You know, I don't know, maybe not,
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: but I just wanted.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: To mention that, great, well, thank you for that. So yeah,
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: let's uh, let's I didn't know any of that regarding
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: the ANFL or the NFL, but Jack did confirm that
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: they did get booed.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: And and it was Murchison.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, cool.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: So as we go to General Walker, maybe we'll go
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: in chronological order and start with the Walker.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Back then, Campezies was the caterer for the Cowboys.
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: Whoa wow, man, Jack Taylor look at that.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: He's an NFL scout, so he would.
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: Know Okay, yeah, good to meet YOUA.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's ca yeah, one of our top UH member
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: member supporter supporters of the channel. So we we love
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: Jack over here.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: And so.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: When we get to the Walkers shooting, right, this is
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: always one of those parts of the assassination that kind
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: of spins my head what happened here?
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: WAYO tell me, Joe, I will in terms of.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: Was Oswalt a part of the Walker shooting? Of course
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: when he had his possessions taken by the DPD, he
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: did have pictures of behind Walker's house, so he was
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: doing something around.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: What they could have been planted, Joe.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: They could have been.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: They could have been.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: I am not ruling that out. They definitely could have been.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: I think that was even discovered before the Walker letter,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: which was discovered on December second, sixty three, so about
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: like ten days after. And I think.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Marina right right, I thought, here's what you do you
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: know type thing?
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: And so I mean just the fact that that Oswald
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: had pictures of Walker's house on him allegedly is mind blowing.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: So like what was he doing?
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: I think there was some part of Oswalt that was
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: trying to infiltrate or spy on the hard right and Walker,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: and I think that kind of went over to the
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: some of the Cuban xiles as well. But you know what,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: whether just whether he was involved or not, and whether
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: it was stage or not, and that is always I
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: go back and forth on that. I'm not sure. So
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: I want to get your take. Do you think the
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: Walker shooting was staged?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Probably, that's my thought. Now this is just my opinion,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: but it just it just seven months before the assassination,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: right around the time he supposed to gets his rifle
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: and he gets the photograph of the backyard photos taken
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: and all that. It seems very convenient. It seems convenient.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: Knowing not again like very I don't really I don't
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: know these guys and I don't know Walker. But knowing Walker,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: I might say that this is some something flamboyant enough
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: where he, you know, would want to insert himself into
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: the narrative. You know, there's a kicking myself here because
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: of you know, Robbie made me close all my tabs.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: But no kidding about uh, there was a a there's
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: a document, a statement made that a person saw somebody
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: run in the alley behind Walker's house. They ran this
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: according to this person, I think it's the daughter actually
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: ran to the house of a known associate of Ruby
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: uh as like a refuge. And I need and I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: haven't digged in and dug into that more, but that
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: is something that I want to learn more about.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Then you have another way to saying they saw two
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: people back there.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: And there's a car.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: There's a getaway car, right, yeah, we know alisonal didn't
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: have a license or drive, yes, And and.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: For Walker to say, you know, it made him look
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: like I got my gun and I ran out to
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: see who is that, you know, and I just I'm
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: doing my taxes right because it April ten, and you know,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: he just happens to lean forward and boom, it goes
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: right behind him, you know.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: And also a Trump type moved to the right right.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: Exactly barely ear so that that obviously seems very fabricated.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: But also who reported that, which was that German newspaper
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: with obvious ties to Walker? I mean, Walker was in Germany,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: by the way, he was stationed.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: There for a while, so I'm with them. The morning
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: of November twenty.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: Third, right for an interview like or something you know, like, yeah,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: so he supposedly is with NED Touchdown in Louisiana when
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: this assassination happens. Although either on a plane or he's
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: with NED Touchdown in Louisiana.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: Uh, well he wasn't, was it.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: So yeah, right, having a meeting Jack Martin's in there
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: and knew Joe Newborough from Bannister's office. Okay, yeah, it's
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: just a coincidence though, so you know, they didn't know
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: each other.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: And he goes to Shreveport and that's yeah.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And actually I'm gonna have a follow up question
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: to that, but we have one of our top member supporters, Trey,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: who we call Shreveport Trey because he's from Streetport. And
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: you might not know this, James, but Rob and I
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: have gone down some rabbit holes, mainly me on Shreveport
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: and some of the shady connections there. But he had
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: a question for us for you actually, uh he said
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: regarding to h a NED Touchdowe and I obviously had
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: no idea who he is. It appears that General Walker
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: and at Eugene Bradley both visited NED touchdowne in Shreveport, Louisiana,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: right around November twenty second, sixty three. Do you think
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: that touchdone or had any fore knowledge of the assassination
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: or kind of what was that whole thing about. Yeah,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: Cawfield does bring and explain who Ted is a ned
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: Is as well.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well so ned Touchdown published something called the councilor
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: you know, like like all like joining all these groups
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: and all these like affiliations back then. You also did
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: a lot of newsletters, publishing.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: The newspaper newspaper. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've we read hell there.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: So that's that was him to me. He seems like
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: I needed Louise, I need a Louisiana alibi or something,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: you know, or Walker saying that I think about Touchdown.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: That's basically but if you but Cawfield will do a
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: whole rundown of that and Bread and Edgar Eugene. So
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: I recommend that I know you guys, I think you've
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: had him on right or at least you you talk,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: at least you reference the book at least.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah call Field. Yeah, but no, we've never had him on.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: My friend Doug had him on his show a couple
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: of years ago. And let's just for the benefit of
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: the audience. I'll just sucker up here right here. Yeah,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: this is a great book, folks. If you have not
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: ever read it, I highly suggest you by. It is
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: a thick boy. It is top tier reading. Okay, it's
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: like high level. So don't be discouraged if you buy
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: and start reading and be like all right, I'm lost,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: but just stick with it. And it is a great book,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: a great resource on all things Walker Mill Teer, Banister,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: g ra Gill, the whole nine far right, you know,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: great great book. Can't recommend it.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: I called the best book on the assassination you ever
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: heard of?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, never heard it. Yeah, a lot of
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: people never heard of it.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: I could have believed it, by the way, when I
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: I I remember getting that from an inner library loan.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: When I first got up my hold of my hands
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: on it, and I was thinking it was gonna be
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: like the size of like appointment in Dallas. It's gonna
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: be like maybe one hundred and twenty or something. This
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: thing shows up and I was like, oh my god,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: I said to the lady, who was like breaking out.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: But yeah, he's he's awesome. Another another Cleveland guy, he
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: also got into the assassination by way of interest in
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: Fairy So we kind of connect over that. I talked
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: to him maybe once a week. So yeah, he's he's
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: he's awesome. But also when he's when Walker's on the
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: phone with the German reporter this whatever. But as you say,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: you know that weekend, he slips, he lets it slip that, oh,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: I just got here four hours ago, you know, so
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: that was at just an air or did he just
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: was Did he really just get into Louisiana four hours
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: earlier and he was somewhere else on the twenty second
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm sure you know he.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: Just got into Shreveport. But yeah, as far as I know,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: he was in Louisiana on the twenty second.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think he made some big deal on
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: a flight that he was on that maybe he was
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: on during the assassination. Right, Yes, that's what.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: He said, right, that that he was in the air
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: in the are right, supposedly another fly connection. They're all over.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: But and that's the hell of a short flight from
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: New Orleans streets. I mean, why would you even stop there?
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: But there was a gay nineties club in town, Joe,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: so that might be why General Walker stopped there, you know,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: got to spend the night.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: Are you guys familiar with Poul Trio's work? The CIA
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: did not kill jak dot Com. Okay, oh yeah, I
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: also speak with him quite frequently, he says. And I
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: don't have the details here, maybe one of you guys do.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: But Oswald was supposedly picked up the night of the
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: shooting of the Walker shooting. Are you guys familiar with this? Yeah?
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this comes from actually, yeah, in later years, I
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: think to the Church Committee or something. Yeah, he says that,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: according to an inside source at the Dallas Police Department,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: Jack Ruby and Lee Oswald were picked up that night
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: and let go on orders from the Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: And you know, he believed this till the day he died.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: You know, there's even letters referencing up into like the
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: late eighties, early nineties. So yeah, it's I mean, that's what.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he really believed that, but that's
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: what he was saying. You know, he believed it for
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: like the last twenty or thirty years of his life.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: I know, if somebody fed him a story or you know,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: it's just or who knows. Yeah, yeah, It's one of
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: those things you can never ever try to figure out.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: You know, it's not enough.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: Can I just go off? I know I'm growing chronologically.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: I just got to ask you guys a question. I
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: have my one opportunity to do so. Did in your opinion,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: Oswald leave as the story is, via a bus, via
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: cab et cetera. Or is this where do you guys
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: come down on this nash rambler thing? Where do you
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: think he was by the way when it all happened?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: And you guys, I'm just going off here. You know,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: this whole idea of the only assassin in world history
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: who relies on public transportation for his escape.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: I just got to ask you guys, we well real quick.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: My good friend Bart Camp. I don't know if you've
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: ever heard of or familiar with his work. He wrote
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: a book. It's called prayer Man, Okay, and it's about
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: this mysterious figure that's called out in the doorway of
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: the school book depository. I'm sure you've heard the theory
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: of that before.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: But he has a really great website. It's it's www
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: dot prayer Dashman dot com and he's found the uh.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: I think it's hosts interview notes and book outs interview notes,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: and these these supposedly had never been seen before passed
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, and I think Malcolm Blunt
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: scanned him into the archives like back in the nineties
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: and just never just threw him in a box and
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: never went through anything. And then uh Bart was tasked
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: with scanning all this stuff and and uploading it to
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: the Internet. And then of course, you know, he found
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: he found this stuff. And what's interesting is in the
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: UH because a lot of these guys that were interviewing Oswald,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: they would take contemporaneous notes, but then they would go
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: back afterwards and write them up in an official report
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: or make them neater or whatever the case may be.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Because we always knew the book out it had interviewed him,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: Hosty had interviewed him, Harry Holmes had interviewed him. So
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: on these Hosty notes and book out notes, Oswald actually
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: gave them an alibi in these notes. They wrote it
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: down and he said he was out front with Bill
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: Shelley and watching the presidential parade. And you know it's
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: in It's in Fritz's notes as well, but it is
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: also in these other two guys notes and it's and
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: it's said in a different way, you know, but all
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: of them basically are saying that I was watching the
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: presidential career, right, So he gave him an alibi. But
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: you never they never put that out there because that's
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: always a question, where were you at the time of shooting?
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you ask that question? You know they did,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: and that was his answer, So that that's the original thing.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: So in your other question as far as him leaving,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: you know, in the course of doing this show, of course,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: you know, I try to come up with different show
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: ideas all the time, but one of them is trying
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: to time out, you know, from the moment of the shooting.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: You only have certain time posts. Okay, so you have
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: the shooting happening at twelve thirty one pm. Okay. The
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: next definite sighting, now there's there's others, but the next
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: definite sighting we have of Oswald is supposedly by Earlene Roberts, right,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: and this is excluding the bus driver and the camp driver. Okay,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: at one o'clock because she was watching her soap operas
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: or whatever. She knows what time he came in, and
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: she said he only stayed a couple of minutes and
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: her and then you know, another time post we have is,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: of course Tippett's death. Well right, yeah, all the mess.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: But even given the benefit of the doubt, say you
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: put his death at one fifteen, one sixteen, yeah right,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: you know, and that's what they tried to do. There's
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: still technically not enough time to get there and do
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: that by then, because according to Early and Roberts, you know,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: while Oswald is changing clothes because he said he changed clothes,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: he and he wasn't Clark Kent superman, you know what
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. He changed his trousers, his shirt and he
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: was putting on a jacket. And they did find what
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: he wore to work that day in his dirty clothes
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: drawer in his in his roomy house. They have pictures
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: of him. It was it was like a burgundy shirt
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: and gray pants, and he changed into some black trousers
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: and a white t shirt and then that weird brownish
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: rusty looking shirt that he was wearing and.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: He was the Eisenhower jacket or whatever or is that
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: is that one? Yeah?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: That he had known that one?
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: Crazy, But you know, there's several different time posts, and
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: this is what's you know, it's been arguing for sixty
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: years between researchers about you know, did he really do this?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: Did he really was he really on the bus? Was
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: he did he really get a cab ride? You know?
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: What time? What you know because you have the cab
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: driver saying he dropped Oswald off seven blocks past his
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: rooming house. Well, that takes time to walk back seven blocks,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: you know. And we don't know exactly what time he
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: left the school book depository, you know, because you got
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: to figure it was a madhouse right after then, you know,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: crowds of people. The only person we have saying they
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: saw him leave was Bill Fraser, and we don't know
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: if we can believe him or not. He told several
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: different stories about it. So and and the woman that
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: saw him his old his old landlady that saw him
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: on the bus. She's not really reliable witness, you know.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: And there's things with the stamp and transfer all this.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: And then of course you have, like you said, the
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Robert Craig, Roger Craig thing with the getting in the
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: National Ambler, and you have supposedly Tippet waiting at the
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: Glacos station across the Houston Street viae duc as if
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: he's waiting for somebody to walk by or get off
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: on a bus. Uh, and then all of a sudden
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: he had tails it out of there, you know, like
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: he's going somewhere in a hurry, and you know, his
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: weird behavior of going in the top ten record store,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: pulling somebody over and looking in the back of their
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: car and just weird things. Before you know, he gets killed.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: It's the whole thing's a mess. And the short answer,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: or the long answer, is I don't know. You know,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: it's still it's still a puzzle.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, yeah, and uh, to give my sight
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: of it, I do think that he was kind of
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: caught off guard. Oswalt and Rob and I have done
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: some work in the past, maybe a month or two,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: and talked about this and how Buel Fraser gave him
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: rides much more frequently than Fraser admitted, so he might
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: have felt like it was like under some pressure and
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: maybe tried to get a cab, and of course he
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: then there was an account that he gave up a
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: cab to an old lady, which of course doesn't go
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: to you're in a big rush. So I'm not sure
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: exactly either, but I do think he was probably at
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: the rooming house at one. I think the Tippet shooting
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: was probably won ten much closer to that. And you know,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: I give him treadmill to Jim bringing Oswald.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: Look alikes and Oswald impersonators if you're being sinister, yeah,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: but I mean you could do like Larry an Oswald
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: look alike. A lot of these Jack Ruby and Oswald's
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: sightings were because of cray For me and Ruby, you know,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: they were a diner the night before the assassination, and
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: the way she was like, Jack Ruby was here with
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: Lee Harvey Oswald, you know, late in the night, But
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: it actually was Jack Ruby and Larry Crayford et there
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: at like two in the morning the night before the assassination. Wow, okaya,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: she said it was If Lee Harvey Oswald had a
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: little scar above his lips, then it was definitely him.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: But guess who did Larry? And even in his testimony
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: he admits to eating with Jack Ruby at the at
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: this Lucas B and B restaurant the night before the assassination,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: like two in the morning. So a lot of these
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: Oswald Ruby sightings are because of Larry Crayford, you know.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: And back then a lot of these guys just just
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: kind of looked the same, you know what I mean,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: click cut white guy's skinny, dark hair, you know, yeah,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: it's yeah, yeah, I mean Michael Kaine looked like him.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: You know, if you look at this little picture of
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: Michael Pap looks like you know, Frasier looked a little
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: bit like Oswald even though he was taller, but he's
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: still kind of kind of you know, they all just
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: kind of look the same as clans, right, you know,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: unless you're really studying them. But they're all just you know,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: one hundred and forty pounds white guys with calling dark
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: hair and you know, clothes weren't fashionable back.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: On you know, uh yeah, yeah, no, no, I was
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: just it's all what you just said, It's all it's
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: all like more mod pop to me than like elaborate
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: central intelligence stuff. This does not seem like an operation
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: that would be coming down from like in JFK. When
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: you know Sutherland is talking to to Costner outside the
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: Washington Monument and you got Kevin Gods are taking notes
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: like he's learning some important things. You know, that doesn't
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: really equate to me personally. It does feel a little
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: more like like the creaking doors of the Dallas police.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: I just feels like really more like just like real,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 6: you know, and young I always looked at it, like James, like,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 6: all right, whatever the hell was going on in New Orleans?
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's something totally different than what happened in Dallas, right, right, Okay,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: because you don't have you don't bleed over, you know,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: you have Oswald is the only bleedover really Now, you
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: can you can bleed over organizations or ideologies, right and
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: things like that. But when you look at what Oswald
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: was doing in New Orleans, and that's if he was
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: legitimately portraying himself as as as pro Castro and pro Marxism,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: advocating for fair play for Cuba, and you know, if
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: you can believe that, or was he just playing a part?
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: You know it was he really anti Castro really and
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: you know, anti Cuba, you know, anti communists. It's he's
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: hard to figure out. He's a guy that's really hard
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: to figure out, you know.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: Rob.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: That's a great point because I want to say, I
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: gotta say this, tell me. You know, it's like when
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: you study the assassination, Yes, Oswald is integral of course,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: but you can't you go if you start going too
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: much into what he was doing, you're sort of like
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 4: getting distracted because it's not just about Oswald, right, There's
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: more to it than that. It's the assassination is not
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: the study of Lee Oswald's life, right, which is what
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: the Warner Report made that to be. You know, that's
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: it's a weekend of three murders. You know, there's way
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: more going on than just this one man. And so
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: I think that's what happened. When you have what was
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: he doing and where was he going and who was
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: he with and what was he doing in New Orleans,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: you're missing what was happening in Dallas, or what the
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: southern California folks were doing, or Harry Dean's story, you know,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: and all that. So I just it's an opportunity to
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: put that out there.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I think there were many operations caught up
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: with each with each other and overlapping, and and that's
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: why it's such an extraordinary case.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, multiple cover ups, multiple cover ups to cover your own.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: Ass for multiple different reasons too, right, everyone had their
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: own reason totally.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, you don't think jayegor Hoover knew first off,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: obviously what Banish was probably doing. He was he was
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: a special agent in charge, God's sake, for sure.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: Contact had his direct office number. You know, they were
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: friends in the janet.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: They were corresponding right up until uh Banister died like
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks before, she said on here and
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: on her podcast. So it is much deeper or and
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: it's intelligence, spy games.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: It's cold war intrigue. Yeah, but that doesn't necessarily mean
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: that all of this was plotting to at that moment.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: What happened on the twenty second and how it happened
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: does not mean all these entities were part of what
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: exactly happened. They had their own plans. Certainly, that doesn't
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: mean what like like for instance, the Miami thing or
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: the Chicago plot, that kind of that was its own thing.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: Did that happen?
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: Not?
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: What happened was what happened in Dallas. You know that's
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: what we have, you know, So, uh, I just don't
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: when you start to think it's this blanket vast conspiracy thing.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: You know, you're you're kind of everything is important, so
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: nothing's important kind of thing, and you miss you miss it,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: you know, you missed details and connections.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: Oh no, anyway, so James, we had a little surprise
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: for you. So just to give the background on this,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: have you ever heard of the John Martin video, the
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: video that captured Walker's house preassassination and then the Oswalt
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: fractice on August ninth, nineteen sixty three on the same
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: role of film taken by a general, a gentleman, a
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: kid by the name of John Martin. Have you heard
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: of this? Well, I have a little uh, Rob and
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: I have here to have your mind blowing.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: We have.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: Some We have a video we're going to show you
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: first of all of the John Martin film, and then
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: Rob and I have done some research into this and
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: we're going to follow it up. But the reason we're talking,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: we're mentioning this to you is it has to do
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: with General Walker and the far right, and we want
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: to get here.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: Just keep in mind that this film, it's short. It's
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: like what two minutes do or something.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: We not even play all of it.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, keep in mind that this is this was
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: taken pre assassination. This this was there was footage taken
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: in August of nineteen sixty three at General Walker's house
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: and then the video cuts to New Orleans and captures
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: Lee Harvey Oswald in the street fight with Carlos Brigner
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: all on the film. All right, all right, yeah.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: So this is there's no there's no sound, but this
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: is him on the plane to Dallas. He's coming from Minnesota.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: Is on the sixth Floor Museum website.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: He is.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: We stole, I downloaded it. I think they let you
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: do that. Shout out sixth Floor Museum. Go there for
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: some great videos and or history watermark. So this is
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: a let to leave from inside Walker's house. And the
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: bullet hole.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: In the window. So and this is looking out that window.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: And that wall out there in Walker's backyard is allegedly
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: where the shots came from. Ignore the white Nash rambler in.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: The neighbors agen and that is his house. And this
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: is Walker's house here and it is blackened to high. Hell,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: they edited this video. We have slides from the nineties
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: would show it way brighter than this.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: It could be how he's shooting though his exposure.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: Well, we have slides from the original roxas says general
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: and Walker Okay, wow, and this is just a building.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: It This is footage from a seventeen year old kid.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: By the way, some.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: People in front of Walker's house there we cannot tell.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: Who they are, young boys as we call them. And
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: then may or may not be Latino right, and.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: He's back on the plane. He's going to New Orleans.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 7: Oh sorry, up, Okay, he's in the New Orleans zoo area.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: He's taking some uh pictures up in front.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: Of the Cypress tree.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: What was it, Franklin Park or.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: H I'm not sure what zoo it was. But we'll
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: see a nice, big old seal here in a minute,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: I think a New Orleans seas.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: Not many of those. No, yeah, oh, there's a scene
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: there he is, he's doing some sight seeing. But somehow
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: this young seventeen year old kid. This is behind like
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: the town in front of the town hall, city hall,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: and there's the fracas, there's Oswald, there's call bring some
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: mysterious person walking in the back the handbills and he
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: is on he is on the plane back then I
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: believe he goes back to uh Minnesota, Minnesota, Minnesota. This
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: video came I think became like fully aware by the
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: community in like two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: like mid two thousands, and it is on the same
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: role of film and so so it was alleged that
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: this guy, John Martin, who took the film, served under
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: General Walker. This was the community consensus for a long time.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: Two years ago, Rob and I we presented at Lancer.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: We did a presentation on all the different Martins in
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: the assassination, and we did a kind of deep dive
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: on this guy. We figured out that he did not
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: serve under General Walker. In fact, he was.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: A seventeen year old kid in nineteen sixty.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: Three, seventeen year old student who filmed with John Martin
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: film who to both Walker's house and street fracas on
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: the same rule of film. Contrary to some of the
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: community's long held beliefs, John T. Martin did not serve
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: under General Walker as he was only seventeen years old
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty three, so he would have been like
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: fourteen fifteen when Walker was in Germany. But there is
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: a far right angle to this, and we Rob and
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: I killed ourselves for probably six months trying to figure
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: out who this guy was. We probably went through two
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: dozen John Martin's, but we found this John Martin who
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: was in military academy right, and we actually, uh, this
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: is credit Tom Scully was like a deep education forum.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: But this is what his high school bio says, plants
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: to enter politics. He loves chess, very conservative Republican, wants
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: to abolish the Supreme Court.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: Gosh, and Peter o'warren.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that I think came from I think
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: you mentioned it the nineteen fifty four decision, the Brown
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: versus which started this whole you know, get rid of
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: the Supreme Court thing, which I didn't even know was
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: a far right political stance at that time if it
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: hadn't been for FDR.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: So Saint Mark's that's interesting. Maybe a Catholic thing there, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: he was.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: This was an a Cretan military academy, and I actually
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: went to military academy as well, Valley Forge in Pennsylvania.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: But so we did some crazy deep diving and we
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: found the student directory for the University of Minnesota at
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: the time of love this nineteen sixty four.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: Well, tell him the reason we were looking at the
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: University of Minnesota, well for this time. First, okay, so
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: you know you heard have you heard about the researcher
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: Harold Wiseberg Whitewash. Okay, yes, so Harold Wiseberg was giving
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: a talk at the University of Minnesota in nineteen sixty eight,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: and he was contacted there by this John T. Martin.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: He said, hey, man, just so you know, I have
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: a movie that has Lee Harvey Oswald in the street Fight.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: You know, are you interested in it? In Wise it
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: was like hell yeah, because of course Garrison was trying
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: to figure out who this mysterious Cuban or Mexican was
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: with Oswald during this street fight, and he thought maybe
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: there was something on this film that could, you know,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: clue him in a little bit better. So they went
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: to somebody's house who was a film a film major
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: there at the University of Minnesota. What was his name.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: Joe like, yeah, yeah, you can't make this up. So
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: they go to Patsy's house and John T. Martin makes
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: a copy of this film and he tells Wiseberg, you know,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: I gave it to the FBI right after the assassination,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: but they said there was it wasn't any value to him,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: and they sent it back to me. And well, he
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: asked him, you know, what was it different when they
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: gave it back to you than when you gave it
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: to him? And he was like, yeah, yeah, there were
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: some things cut out of it, but this is what
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: I have. What we just watched is what basically what
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: he gave to Wiseburg. And he had sent a copy
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: of his film to Garrison on his own a couple
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: of months prior to Wisburg even coming to the University
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: of Minnesota. And so he made researcher Gary Schooner and
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: who was there with Wisburg each their own copies of
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: his film. So there was never very many copies of
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: this film ever. Right ever, fast forward to the HSCA.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: They contacted him and he gave them a copy of
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: his film or what you know, the film that he had.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: He gave it to him and they copied it and
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: then gave it back to him and said thank you
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: very much. Right and then fast forward to the early
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: two thousands. For some reason, this guy comes out of
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: the woodwork and says, hey, I've got this film because
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: the HSCA claimed that they didn't have their copy anymore.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: And so he comes out to the six four Museum
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: and he says, hey, I like to give you my
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: copy of my film. I don't want it anymore. The
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: only thing that I want from you is to never
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: ever contact me ever again, and don't give out my
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: contact information to anybody about this thing. I'm done with
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: it here. He's smartin Yeah, this is Martin. So the
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: six ' four takes possession of the film. They examine it. Well,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: lo and behold, there is a created date on the
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: film of nineteen seventy seven. So somebody at the HSCA
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: took his original film, gave him back a copy of
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: his own film, and he thought he'd had his original
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: all these years. The Wiseburg copy is nowhere to be found.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: I've checked with the Wisburg Archives, the people there, they
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: don't have it. We've been in contact with Gary Schoener
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: to see if he could find his copy. He says
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: he still probably has it somewhere in his attic or
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: his garage, and he just doesn't ever and he's very elder,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: he's almost eighty years old. He can't really look for
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: it or find it. So, you know, we've been trying
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: to find the original film, as much of the original
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: film as we can, because you know, this copy is
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: so darkened and deteriorated or whatever's wrong with it. But yeah,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: that's that's that's the backstory. Yeah, because there's actually another
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: John Martin Junior film of the assassination. He was He
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: was a Postal Annex employee in Dealey Plaza. John Martin
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: Junior was his name, and he was also from Minnesota, Okay,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: so he may have been related to this John T.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: Martin in some weird way if they were on vacation,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Wow? Yeah, yeah. And this
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: John T or the John Martin Junior film actually is
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: the one. He films them as they're turning from Main
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: Street onto Houston and then he runs across Daly Plaza
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: and up up to the uh Grassy No area and
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: that's actually where you see Roger Craig in the back,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: you know, where the the trains are. That's his film.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we started going down this rabbit hole
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: of people Jay Martin and of course there's Jack Martin. Yah, right,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: that's an obvious one, you know. Uh, And we found
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: thirty six or thirty seven. Jay Martin's associated with the
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: Kennedy Assassin in some form or fashion, Yeah, for sure.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: But that's our little tie to the far right. I
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: want to kind yeah, we're kind of figuring Joe that
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: somehow this kid, this seventeen year old kid, who's far
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: right in his in his ideology is pen paling or writing.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: General Walker is in some kind of contact, and you know,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: we know General Walker had his proclivities, you know what
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: I mean for younger men, uh, especially if they're you know,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: far right, same ideology type of thing. And you know, hey,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: General Walker, you know you look up to you. You
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: know you one of my idols. Blah blah blah. And
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: you know, if they're back in going back and forth
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: and he says, hey, you know, my family's coming to
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: Dallas on vacation. Would it would be okay if I
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: came to see you and talk to you. It's Walker's how.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: We don't have pictures of him and General Walker, but
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: we have pictures from the inside of his house, which
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: means he was in the house and then all of
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: a sudden he's in New Orleans and just happens to
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: catch Oswald on film. That's kind of weird. That's a thing, yeah,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: of course, yeah, especially when Walker has connections to people
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: in New Orleans like Bannister, who could have said, hey, right,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: you want to do something for me, Take you got
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: that camera there, Take that camera on around down there
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: around the corner and catch this guy on film handing
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: out these pro castro leaves.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they were trying to because they had
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: the news. One of the local right TV stations was
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: somehow there too, recording this, and that's how it ended up.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: Like, well, no, that was something different. That was something different.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 4: Was that the was that the alter Oh that was
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 4: the altercation?
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: But this was a fight with Brignia and there was
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: only there's actually two movies of this.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: They were both taken by teenage boys. Okay, okay, this
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: guy was one of them. And he's also another one
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: from a different angle.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: And it's real short and about the same kind of thing.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's crazy. But yeah, go ahead, Joe, I'm sorry.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: It's okay.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: And just to finish off the couple slides here, we
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: found the student directory for University of Minnesota, and we
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: found all of them. Oh yeah, So on the right
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: hand side here this is we found his name in
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: the directory seventeen fifty two eagle Heart, eagle Heart. That
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: also is the same address. John T. Martin later became
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: a minuteman James Gosh. So this is the FBI document
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: of his Minuteman card and it matches the seventeen to
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: fifty two Eagle Heart. So he didn't serve under Walker
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: in the army per se, but he might have served
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: under him in the minuteman or some other capacity. So
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: what Rob and I figured out was based on his bio. Right,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: super conservative Republican. Rob was saying, the most likely scenario
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: was this kid went to Dallas, talked to General Walker,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: went inside his house, and possibly was then given He said,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: how can I help, right, how can I help the cause? Well,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: if you go down to New Orleans and maybe film
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: this commy or go to New Orleans talk to Guy
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: Banister or Jack Martin or whoever, and then maybe they
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: gave him the task to film the fracas because it
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: would be one in a million type of thing to
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: catch both of those in the same real of film.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: This is the FBI document of his Oh wow, giving
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: the FBI his document, I mean his film December eighteen
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: sixty three, and then and the Airtel back to him
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: saying it's been returned to you. So we have all
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: the documentation and this is I want to show you this.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: This is some of the slides we have on the
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: right from Yeah, from the original film. You can see
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: it's much lighter. Left, it's the six to floor copy,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: much darker. Who was the guy we got Martin Shackelford, Yes,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: some of his screenshots. This is another example of it.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: You can see the bullet hole on the left on
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: the screenshot is much more light or something.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 5: On the right.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: It's like almost like a screen recording, almost like you're
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: recording it like taking a phone, like recording it from
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: another phone, losing a bunch of pixels. And this is
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: another one. So we're quite sure this film was edited
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: and darkened. Why Probably to protect some identities. But like
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: Rob mentioned, we had talked and corresponded with Gary Schoener,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: who was who is the only man alive to have
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: seen John Martin because he personally was given the film
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: when him and Weisberg worked together in Minnesota. And we've
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: been trying to get him to find his copy. We're
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: not very optimistic he ever will. But yeah, so we
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: kind of debunked the he served under walker. But there's
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: a right wing element here for sure, to learn it
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: through the yearbook and through his high school bio. So
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: what are your thoughts on that, sir? We're thrown a
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: lot at you no.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 4: I love it. It just you know, I want you
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 4: so Jack R. Jack Martin from New Orleans wasn't always
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 4: called Jack Martin. He was born Edward says yep. So
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: he adopts this moniker at some point.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: We have like five aliases for him.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, but it seems legitimate from the documents that
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: you pulled up, and he was such a young man
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 4: this Minnesota and that you know, that seems to be
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: a his given name.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: John and Jack.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: I mean the film was referred to as the Jack
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: Martin film for a long time. Yes, a lot of confusion.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like Jim Braden or Eugene Braiding or
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 4: you know, they get confused.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: John John Kennedy. They called him Jack right right.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 4: So exactly and current Senator Kennedy, who I have to
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: remind myself it's not our guy, unfortunately. Uh, it's you know,
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: just devastating. Uh. I should never have happened. And you know,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: to me, the right wing is just the most obvious,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: uh suspects, you know, especially at that time Cold War
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: and they were seeing this young Catholic come in and
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: who was talking disarmament, Not that I think Kennedy was,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: you know, a Saint, you know, certainly, I don't know.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: One of the things I I think JFK the film
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 4: does is that it tugs on our emotions at the
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: beginning with that open montage about yeah, how awesome it
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: was watching these home movies at JFK. I mean, that's
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: cool and everything, but there's far more complexity going on
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: than this was the good guy and these are the
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 4: bad guys. So anyway, but man, give me a lot
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 4: here to think about.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: You know, we were sniffing around too with these Cuban exiles,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: anti Castro Cubans, mercenary types, right, people like Interer Pin
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: and Lauren Hall, Lawrence Howard, right right, right, So yeah,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: these guys were in Dallas meeting with these far right
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: guys like Lester log and General Walker.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: Yea Felippe vital A confirmed meeting with Walker early November.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the ties get crazy, right right, right.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: So there's that claim from Beckman that that that he
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: was delivered that package for Ferry to Howard, you know,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: contained cash and blueprints, and it's an attempt. I don't
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: know if it's true, right, I Mean, again, it's one
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: of these testimonies, but you're saying there's not a lot.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: There's hardly any bleedover right from New Orleans to Dallas.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: That's something that tries to tangibly connect the two. I
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 4: do have to say this. So remember Roger Craig said,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: of course that he found the Mauser, right, that was
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 4: the big thing. Obviously, you know this in the Warran Commission.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: There's a there's a document that the weekend of the assassination,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: the FBI got a call from a guy in Cleveland
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: who said that there was a I went over to
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 4: this guy's house to do I'm a contractor. I went
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 4: over to this guy's house to estimate some work for him.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 4: And while I was doing some work for him, he
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: wanted to show me with something that he was so
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: proud of, and it was a Mauser and he was
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 4: so excited that he was He was sending this mouser
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 4: to somebody in Dallas. And this was on November ninth
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: that this happened. And of course the Mauser becomes the
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: Carkano and the FBI forgot about that, but that that
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: document still exists. I thought it was interesting because it
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: was a Cleveland connection. Of course, I'm thinking of Ferry,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 4: you know, and the contractor who called the FBI says
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: that the guy's house he went to was a firefighter
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: fairy of course comes from Cleveland firefighters.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 4: Moreover, the house where this mouser was that was going
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: to Dallas two weeks before the assassination is about a
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 4: mile from the Ferry home in Cleveland. I don't know.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: I think that's pretty awesome if Ferry had something to
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 4: do with the weapon getting over there somehow, but you know,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: you never know.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: But man, it's alleged to that fairy was delivered for
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: manly carcanos from Baltimore or what was that from Joe.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: They referenced it in The Irishman.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there's a fairy named Fairy. Yeah.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know from that. I heard you paint houses thing.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, Irishman was based on that book. And
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: it's almost like JFK like David Ferry fairy performance in
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: The Irishman, and he's kind of some weird dude he's accepting,
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: I believe. Yeah, it was a truck of guns given
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: by Jimmy.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 4: Nero's character.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was the former c I A guy, No,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: but he was in the Robert Morrow his book.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, I have to say, uh yeah, the the
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: right Somorrow is supposedly the CIA guy. There's this whole
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 4: genre of faction, you know. Yeah, yeah, again, I come
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 4: from the come from Catholicism. Right. So there's a guy,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: Malachi Martin who was a former priest and he made
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 4: a good living writing novels that were supposedly based on
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 4: true like basically basically the religio religio political thriller.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 8: Right, he know his middle initials Martin. I'm just joking, no, So,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 8: but there's this whole thing of Morrow, Don DeLillo. I
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 8: can start naming names that maybe I shouldn't where you
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 8: take well known information and you create your own story
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 8: out of it, and man, it's if you can sell that,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 8: you're good. Uh So I'm very suspicious of Morrow, for instance.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: Well, anybody that worked for the CIA, you got to
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: be suspiciousself, you know what I mean?
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Right, Well, or just anyone who's claiming claiming this
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: knowledge and turning it out into the books. Yeah, yeah, yeah, No,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 4: I'm very I'm very grateful for the opportunity that I've
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 4: had to publish my my JFK book. It came out
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 4: very quickly.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, why don't you tell Why don't you tell everyone
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: where they could find that and where they could find you.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: I know you have a YouTube channel. I just subscribe
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: to it today. Actually, yeah, let let everyone know here.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, so yeah, there's there's I started off
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 4: I did three books on the Calca Church, on the
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 4: history of Calacter Church, and then I moved into JFK
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: and then on The Shroud of Turnin right after the other.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: Oh really, yes, that's my most recent story, my most
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 4: recent nonfiction.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, I have to go on a tangent here. You
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 3: set this up them. Sorry, there's a recent report on
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: that the recent analysis of the Shroud actually did date
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: back to two thousand and something years. I am Catholic.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: Okay a time.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on that? Because I haven't dug
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: it into it, dug into it enough to I've heard
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: both sides.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm dubious. I'm dubious. I would love to believe
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: that the Shroud is real. I really would. I went
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: into that into studying this. Actually the book was written
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 4: before anything I got into the Kennedy stuff. I just
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: couldn't find a publisher because the Catholic world wanted me
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: to write a pro shroud book, and I just eventually
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: got to the point where I'm like, I'm not seeing this.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: I'm not I'm just not seeing this as as legitimate.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: I'm seeing this as a as a fourteenth century thing.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 4: Now that that's a bad thing, because in that research
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: I found this whole world of just this creative iconography
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: and art that we're not interested in because well, if
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 4: the shroud isn't real, well then why why would we
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 4: bother with it? But it's actually part of this very
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: rich medieval world that I found of crucifixion art and
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 4: iconography and just the whole medieval mind was centered on this.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: So anyway, I'm dubious about this quote quote unquote recent finding.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: First of all, there hasn't been an officially sanctioned dating
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 4: on the shrouds since the carbon fourteen dating of nineteen
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 4: eighty eight, which is were three labs, which was sanctioned
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 4: by the Archdiz's Turin. So they got the approval of
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 4: the church to do this test, right, and it came
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: out from three different labs secular labs on the real
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: world that it came out between twelve sixty and thirteen
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: ninety eighty that was the median age, the range put
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 4: together by the three labs, that that was the dating
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: of the cloth. Since then, there's been like no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: there's been cotton in there, it's been there's been reweaving,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: there's been one thing after the other. And that these hypotheses,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 4: their hypotheses that have come out since is that it's
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 4: basically the same people are trying to prove the shroud
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 4: over and over and over again. And the Italians that
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 4: put out this most recent finding about that the first
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 4: century are the same guys who've been promoting the shroud
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 4: as legitimate for years. So it's like, I need to
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 4: find a way to prove that this is legitimate, right,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 4: which is totally anti science. How am I going to
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: do that? And that's how they spend their time trying
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: to come up with that. So I'm very skeptical of that,
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 4: And I'm very skeptical of the claims that a lot
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 4: of people say about the shroud, like you know the
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 4: pollens that are found down there. Yeah, well no, because
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 4: the guy who says that there were pollens also believed
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 4: in the Hitler diaries and he said that those were
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 4: that was a legitimate thing, that was a fraud, and
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 4: that there's like fifty four different pollens that have been
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 4: found that he supposedly found that go back to like Jerusalem,
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: and yet there's very little pollens that he found from Italy,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 4: even though the shroud's been spend the last five hundred
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 4: years of its life in Italy, you know. So it's like,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 4: I again, like, what do you want me to say.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 4: I'll come up with something for you. Coins on the
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 4: eyes that I was from the Roman times. Yeah, but
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 4: the same guy who says that says that christis you know,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 4: the Jesus wearing a tafala, and that there's writing on
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 4: the shroud, that it has this stuff that you want
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 4: to hear otherwise. But if you dig into what these
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 4: guys are saying, it's very very dubious stuff. So the
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 4: whole anyway, that's that's unfortunately, that's kind of where I'm at.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 4: I'm not making many friends at all in the Catholic world.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: I could imagine great if it was you know, authentic,
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: but you know, you run into these things like that
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: and and all these various religious relics that these churches
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: all across Europe supposedly have, and I want to Mary
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: Magdalene's skull. You know, you have nails from the cross.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: You have you know, a file of the blood of
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: Jesus and you know it's a piece of the wooden cross,
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: which hate.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 4: Hey, I mean for like a local like a local
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 4: church that has a tradition of like such and such
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 4: saint came here and he did this, and since then
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 4: we every year we celebrate his whatever. That's fine, that's great,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 4: that's that's a tradition. And what we do with the shroud, though,
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 4: is we're mixing like tradition and apocryphal history with trying
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 4: to make it real, you know. And it's like, maybe
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 4: we should just embrace the mystery of faith and people
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 4: might respond to that more than like saying, trying to
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 4: convince someone of a true thing by science and science
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 4: is really questionable.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 3: It's science and religion put together. It's like you would
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 3: haven't necessarily think it's uh. And Robin kind of reminds
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: you of the isotopes found on the dB Cooper money. Right, Yeah,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: we're talking about this, like the different things found on
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: the shroud to trying to date it. I don't know,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: if you know about DV. Cooper. No, that's a whole
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: the rabbit hole.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: But yeah, there is some bleed over there when it
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: comes to suspects.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: Lauren Hall. Yeah, yeah, but I think we interrupted and
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: as you were telling people where they could find you.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so you know, Amazon is good place. And
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 4: the last two the Trapbook and the Mad Bishops England
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 4: and Early England. Janie's book was put up a trenday,
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 4: but you know you can go to Amazon for everything.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 4: And then I've been doing a lot of a lot
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: on medium like original articles, just posting them for free.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 4: I did like twenty you know, as you mentioned twenty
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 4: five or so on JFK. That's where I like the
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 4: Mauser story and these kind of other like stories about
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 4: the Klan and Ri Davis and his role with all
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 4: that's being put out there on mediums. So I'm just
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 4: trying to get the just trying to get the word
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 4: out there, man, because I'm also trying to get ahead
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 4: of what may or may not come in the next whenever.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: Right, I think today's day fifteen, right, Yeah, a plan
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: should have here's something Monday.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: So the idea was this will be presented to me,
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 4: I will review it, and then from there, I'm going
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 4: to decide what to do. Right. That's kind of like where.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: We're at with We gave him the ultimatum after the
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: executive order, they had fifteen days to respond about their
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: plan to release the files.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: But there is also rob there's not a current DCI
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: Director of Intelligence now because Tulsea Gabbard has yet to
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: be confirmed, so people speculate that that could longer. Yeah,
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 3: who knows. I mean, we've been waiting a long time.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: We could wait an extra week or two, but I'm
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: definitely hoping we get this type kind of soon. Yeah yeah,
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: and uh yeah your YouTube page James Day one, one four,
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: But I'm sure if you just type in James Day.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: Joe, they could just follow the link in the description.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: Where were that that was probably easier.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, well, uh we love Joe around here, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 4: I'm honored to be here man, and.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: You're welcome back anytime you got a free pass. We
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: had a great time with you and some great information
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: and some eye opening facts and definitely something to reconsider
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: when it comes to all this far right General Walker
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: mil Teer stuff and the Klan, you know, because I
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: think all these elements were in play, and it's obvious
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: to me that they were in play, and you know,
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: then the question becomes exactly what were they doing? You know,
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: and that's that's the hard part. But people like Paul
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: Treo call Field you are looking into this stuff and
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: and hopefully bring us some new information. And uh, you know,
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: because she had some new light on some of this stuff.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: And there's so much more that we didn't even get
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: into tonight. But like I said, the links are in
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: the description. You can check out his writings, his videos.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure you're gonna have a new book coming
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: out soon. Probably.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 4: Well, my wife says, if you published another book, I'm filing.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: So okay, so maybe not.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 4: Maybe you think she'd be happy. You're on the radio,
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 4: you're on the podcast. No, when are you done?
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: Two hours is a long time, we hear, we hear,
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 3: we hear.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we hear it too. Say this is our part
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: time job. You look at it. You know, you got
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: to make a little money doing something, right. I mean
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: we're not getting rich here, but something, something, never hurt nobody,
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, man, we'll happy birthday.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. It's been a good one. And
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  Speaker 2: you made it a better one by coming on the show.
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  Speaker 2: We really enjoyed having you, Like I said, welcome back anytime, sir.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So here's how we in the show, James.
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  Speaker 2: We do a little dancing with h Dean Andrews. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna love this. I wish we had the video
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  Speaker 2: to go along with it like we used to. So
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  Speaker 2: just as I play this music in this little voiceover,
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  Speaker 2: just imagine in your head, uh, Dean Andrews in a
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  Speaker 2: floral Hawaiian unbuttoned shirt, black sunglasses on, carrying a very
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  Speaker 2: feminine looking umbrella. Okay, dancing around like the outside of
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  Speaker 2: a restaurant in New Orleans while trumpet and trombone players
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  Speaker 2: are playing all around him. And he's just dancing. He's
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  Speaker 2: he's jiving, chucking and jiving with his umbrella. Just groove
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  Speaker 2: to the music. And this is how uh, this is
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  Speaker 2: how we go out every time. So without further ado, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: where are you at, buddy, Let's see where is dey?
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  Speaker 4: M hm h m.
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  Speaker 2: So it says it's a perosol, not a number.
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  Speaker 5: The greatest lies are told in the name of truth,
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  Speaker 5: the greatest crimes are committed in the name of justice.
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  Speaker 5: The quotation is Jim Garrison's. It could be used for
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  Speaker 5: him or against him in this strange case.
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  Speaker 2: Good night guys in the chat.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for hanging with us, Thank you God, thank you
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  Speaker 3: Jans