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Daren Dochterman: New Movies, New Opportunities · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Hi, this is William Stout.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here in Louisville, Kentucky at the great show Wonderfest,
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  Speaker 2: and you are listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 3: This episode is rated M for Misty. Yes, that's right,
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  Speaker 3: this is a Misty episode, so it will be laced
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  Speaker 3: with profanity even more than usual. If you're not comfortable
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  Speaker 3: with this level of profanity, perhaps this isn't the episode
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  Speaker 3: for you. but we have many other episodes to choose
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  Speaker 3: from that do not feature Misty and will probably be
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  Speaker 3: far less offensive. Okay, maybe. With that having been said,
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  Speaker 3: on with the show.
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  Speaker 4: It's showtime.
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  Speaker 5: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 4: Provide more cooling in the containment chambers.
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  Speaker 3: To your station, we have a movie meltdown.
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  Speaker 6: Just because we are freaks does not mean we.
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  Speaker 7: Do not know how to have some fun. What's up
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  Speaker 7: and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Misty.
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  Speaker 7: And we're coming to you live via digital recording from
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  Speaker 7: the outskirts of Wonderfest.
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  Speaker 4: I flew right across the street.
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  Speaker 7: We're looking at it. There's Wonderfest right there.
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  Speaker 4: It's actually kind of around the corner.
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  Speaker 7: It spills out this way because over on this end
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  Speaker 7: is where the models are. There were a lot of models.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of people in with a lot of models.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, this year was packed.
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  Speaker 4: I know, and I don't deal with... This was air-conditioned.
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  Speaker 4: It was highly air-conditioned. I wonder if that was due
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  Speaker 4: to the fact that they had a lot of people
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  Speaker 4: in there. They were like, oh, we want to contain
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  Speaker 4: this smell ahead of time.
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  Speaker 7: One more plus to Wonderfest. I will say they've been
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  Speaker 7: pretty much, with the exception of the year they did
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  Speaker 7: renovation on this hotel, they've always been, at least in
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  Speaker 7: my years coming, they've always been at this hotel. And
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  Speaker 7: this hotel is always well-kept. And air conditioned.
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  Speaker 4: Because they were across the street once.
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  Speaker 7: When they were remodeling this hotel here, they spent six
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  Speaker 7: or eight months of totally tearing stuff out, redoing things.
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  Speaker 7: So they just flat out couldn't host things during that time.
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  Speaker 7: So they had to go to the convention center, which
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  Speaker 7: is actually back behind where we're sitting right now.
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  Speaker 4: They charge out the ass to park.
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  Speaker 7: It was weird, too, because I remember even when we
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  Speaker 7: talked to Dave that runs this now, he's just like, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: that year was just weird. It just doesn't feel like
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  Speaker 7: everything about this hotel is what becomes synonymous with Wonderfest.
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  Speaker 4: And we got yelled at over there.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, because you were trying to touch things and lean
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  Speaker 7: over stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I leaned over too far, which I was still a
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  Speaker 4: safe distance away.
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  Speaker 8: Ma'am!
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  Speaker 7: Some 16-year-old yelled at you.
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  Speaker 4: Was he even 16 yet?
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  Speaker 7: Maybe not. He was power hungry. He was power hungry.
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  Speaker 4: He was hungry for the power.
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  Speaker 7: Well, he was wearing a uniform. Oh, good God. He
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  Speaker 7: was a kid in a uniform. Because they got ROTC kids,
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  Speaker 7: I think. They would always be there in their military uniforms,
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  Speaker 7: but they looked all of 15 most of the time.
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  Speaker 7: So I think they were just pulling in ROTC high
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  Speaker 7: school kids and using them to kind of keep the peace,
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  Speaker 7: keep an eye.
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  Speaker 4: On the models. Was that the year that the one
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  Speaker 4: guy was there with the ugly shirt?
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  Speaker 7: Probably that you suck. I saw him on. He's on
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  Speaker 7: an episode of like Charlie's Angels.
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  Speaker 4: Starbuck.
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  Speaker 7: Starbuck. Yeah, it was original Starbuck.
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  Speaker 4: Benedict.
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  Speaker 7: Cumberbatch.
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm trying to figure out where I'm going with
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  Speaker 4: the Benedict.
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  Speaker 6: Dirk.
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  Speaker 4: Dirk Benedict. I knew there was a Benedict.
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  Speaker 7: I knew where you were going, but I like throwing
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  Speaker 7: the other one in there because I was like, huh,
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  Speaker 7: there's another Benedict out there. Just the other half of
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  Speaker 7: the name.
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  Speaker 4: I think my dentist did refer to Benedict Cumberbatch as
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  Speaker 4: Benedict Cumberbunch, and I don't know if he did it
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  Speaker 4: on purpose.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, nobody's gotten that poor bastard's name right as
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  Speaker 7: long as he's been in this business, so it can't
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  Speaker 7: be a new thing for him.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like Benedict Cumberbunny, that's my favorite so far.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, I think that was where you... like guilted
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  Speaker 7: him into taking the picture he's like.
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  Speaker 4: Are you gonna buy something i'm like i don't have
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  Speaker 4: any money i don't have any money i spent my
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  Speaker 4: money getting in i didn't even have money to get
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  Speaker 4: in i don't even think i think i wouldn't know
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  Speaker 4: i'm parking yeah exactly he was kind of he's like
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  Speaker 4: whatever now i have visual proof of that outfit that shirt.
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  Speaker 7: That shirt was pretty bad i'll say he seemed semi
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  Speaker 7: nice enough he tolerated you trying to scam a photo
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  Speaker 7: off of him but yeah.
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  Speaker 4: He could have just said no He could have just
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  Speaker 4: been like, uh, no.
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  Speaker 7: He probably should have. But we're poor. What do you want?
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  Speaker 4: That was back in the day. Like, now.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, now everybody would charge. That's just the way it is. Like,
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  Speaker 7: the system has changed.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, well, are you going to buy something?
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  Speaker 7: This was like nine years or more ago, probably. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: this is a long name.
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  Speaker 4: I do appreciate that he did let me get a picture.
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  Speaker 7: He seemed nice enough, but that shirt was pretty bad.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sorry. It was the loudest, most. There was just
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  Speaker 7: so much shit going on.
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  Speaker 4: There was plants and colors.
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  Speaker 7: Colors. And yeah, I don't know what made him choose that.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: But seems nice enough so yes that was behind us
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  Speaker 7: but this year it is back where it's always at
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  Speaker 7: otherwise in its original crown plaza hotel so we did
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  Speaker 7: see a lot of models though there's a lot of
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  Speaker 7: models many many awesome models did.
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  Speaker 4: You have a favorite of the models um mine was
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  Speaker 4: the bob ross in case you're gonna ask it's the
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  Speaker 4: bob ross.
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  Speaker 7: I was eventually gonna ask you i was trying to
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  Speaker 7: think if i actually did have one that i was
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  Speaker 7: like wow.
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  Speaker 4: But It wasn't the Winona that looked more like Bella Thorne.
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  Speaker 7: She was wearing the outfit that Winona wears as Mina
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  Speaker 7: in the Dracula movie that Winona is in. But yeah,
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  Speaker 7: because that's why I thought maybe somebody was just doing
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  Speaker 7: their own thing and just stole the outfit because it's
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  Speaker 7: a cool outfit and it's kind of iconic if you've
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  Speaker 7: watched that movie a lot. But yeah, because then you
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  Speaker 7: called her Winona. I was like, wait, is it? Is
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  Speaker 7: it supposed to be Winona? Then, yeah, you ID'd her.
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  Speaker 7: It looked a lot more like Bella Thorne.
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  Speaker 4: My boyfriend showed me a picture this morning. He's like,
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  Speaker 4: I know this is Christian Slater, but who is this
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  Speaker 4: girl he's with? I'm like, are you fucking serious? I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: it's fucking Wynonna Ryder. He's like, oh, it doesn't even
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  Speaker 4: look like her. It's a picture from Heathers.
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  Speaker 7: It's the reason either of them are anybody.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just like, I love my boyfriend. We all know
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  Speaker 4: I do. But he has those moments. He's been hitting
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  Speaker 4: the head a lot, so he has an excuse. in
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  Speaker 4: the picture that he showed me she did look a
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  Speaker 4: little bit different she didn't look quite.
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  Speaker 7: Like she's super young in that movie and they're both
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  Speaker 7: like barely maybe legal they might be 18 at that
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  Speaker 7: point I don't even.
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  Speaker 4: Know if I can find the picture that's not it
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  Speaker 4: that picture he's like I know that's Christian Slater who's
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  Speaker 4: the girl.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah I mean that's that's just kind of a weird
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  Speaker 7: hair again I blame the hair person that day because
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  Speaker 7: the most of the movie her hair doesn't look that
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  Speaker 7: big and weird except when it explodes at the end
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  Speaker 7: but yeah Yeah, yeah, she's adorable. I mean, Christian's pretty
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  Speaker 7: damn hot back in the day.
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  Speaker 4: Back in the day, those days did not last long.
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  Speaker 7: He's grown into, like, being a for-real actor now, though.
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  Speaker 7: It's funny how much he's turned up in stuff in
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  Speaker 7: the last 10 years that, like, you might have thought
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  Speaker 7: being the, like, kind of 80s heartthrob kid that he
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  Speaker 7: was that, like, it would have killed the rest of
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  Speaker 7: his career. But, like, he's grown up and is now, like,
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  Speaker 7: a legit actor and is in, like, well-respected TV shows
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  Speaker 7: and is back in movies now, too, so... I'm glad
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  Speaker 7: he's kind of having a full career, though.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think I ever had, like, a big thing
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  Speaker 4: for Christian Slater.
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  Speaker 7: I just liked him because he hung out with the
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  Speaker 7: girls that I liked, so... When you spend all your
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  Speaker 7: time with Winona Ryder and Samantha Mathis, I have to
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  Speaker 7: be nothing but jealous of you, dude.
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  Speaker 10: Like.
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  Speaker 4: But he's not one of those ones I'm like, ooh,
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  Speaker 4: he's hot.
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  Speaker 7: But he seems kind of cool, too. Like, when I
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  Speaker 7: see even stuff with him now, like... He realizes what
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  Speaker 7: a weird ride he was on coming from being a
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  Speaker 7: teenager in movies like that.
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  Speaker 4: And he's still alive, so he has that going for him.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, he seems like he's kind of leveled out and
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  Speaker 7: has just become kind of a cool dude now. Good
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  Speaker 7: for him.
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  Speaker 4: More power to him.
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  Speaker 7: All right.
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  Speaker 4: How did we get here again?
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  Speaker 7: I blame your boyfriend.
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  Speaker 4: I do that too. No matter what it is, I
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  Speaker 4: usually do.
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  Speaker 7: Jay gets blamed for a lot of things. So, speaking of.
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  Speaker 4: Why not a writer?
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  Speaker 7: Bella Thorne. The model looked a little more facially like
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  Speaker 7: Bella Thorne, which I don't know if that's a good
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  Speaker 7: idea because usually she's a train wreck and all. We
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  Speaker 7: love her, but she's a train wreck.
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  Speaker 4: The model was way too clothed to.
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  Speaker 7: Tell for sure. That's true. She did have a dress on.
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  Speaker 4: Or at least what bust area there was was covered.
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  Speaker 7: Was covered and not in duct tape or sprinkles or
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  Speaker 7: whatever the hell she usually has on.
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  Speaker 9: Ah!
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  Speaker 4: I adore her, but good God, she's a mess.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: If you don't want to.
• 8:39
  Speaker 4: You know, you could pre-order. I don't know if it's
• 8:40
  Speaker 4: pre-order still, but you could pre-order the book she wrote.
• 8:42
  Speaker 7: She wrote a book. I remember you telling me she
• 8:44
  Speaker 7: wrote a book.
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  Speaker 4: It came with an album.
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  Speaker 7: Like a photo album?
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  Speaker 4: No, like a.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, a record album.
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  Speaker 4: Like a disc-shaped round. Apparently, I don't know if she
• 8:54
  Speaker 4: talks some of her words.
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  Speaker 7: I don't... She's a word talker.
• 8:58
  Speaker 4: I don't know if the guy... She was with this
• 9:00
  Speaker 4: guy for a while. He was a musician, so I
• 9:01
  Speaker 4: don't know if he recorded some of the music.
• 9:03
  Speaker 7: But if you.
• 9:04
  Speaker 4: From what I understood, if you pre-ordered it, you not
• 9:06
  Speaker 4: only get an autograph, but she would send you special Polaroids.
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  Speaker 7: She would lick it. I'm sure she would lick it
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  Speaker 7: for you if you kicked in a couple extra bucks.
• 9:16
  Speaker 4: I'd be more surprised if she didn't lick it.
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  Speaker 7: You'd probably have to pay extra to get one that
• 9:21
  Speaker 7: didn't have saliva.
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  Speaker 9: All over it.
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  Speaker 4: But special Polaroids, from what I heard. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: how special they are.
• 9:27
  Speaker 7: Again, how much more graphic can it get than your
• 9:29
  Speaker 7: Instagram feed? Most of the photos out there of you,
• 9:33
  Speaker 7: you're not wearing clothes, so what are you going to do?
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  Speaker 4: But she's delightful. I mean, she does do some good stuff.
• 9:38
  Speaker 7: Again, I like her in stuff. It's her real world
• 9:40
  Speaker 7: persona that I'm like, what are you doing, girl? Get
• 9:43
  Speaker 7: your shit together. But Hey, but you know what?
• 9:46
  Speaker 4: She's living her own life. If she's happy, if she
• 9:48
  Speaker 4: is happy with the decision she has made.
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  Speaker 7: The more power to her. As long as she's not
• 9:51
  Speaker 7: hurting anyone else and is willing to live with whatever
• 9:54
  Speaker 7: decision she makes, more power to her. I agree.
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  Speaker 4: Two thumbs up.
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  Speaker 7: So, that having been said, have you watched anything lately?
• 10:03
  Speaker 4: I have watched things. Should I start with the movies
• 10:05
  Speaker 4: or the show first? Because this is a plethora of things.
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  Speaker 7: Whatever you want to get to.
• 10:08
  Speaker 4: Because, I mean, I watched Black Mirror, which in and
• 10:10
  Speaker 4: of itself is like watching like 50 different fucking movies.
• 10:13
  Speaker 4: Because each episode is like its own individual thing.
• 10:15
  Speaker 7: That's kind of how it works.
• 10:17
  Speaker 4: It's kind of Twilight Zone-y, but each one's a little
• 10:19
  Speaker 4: bit longer. And some of them are like so good.
• 10:24
  Speaker 4: And some of them are just like, there's a lot
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  Speaker 4: of them that I'm just kind of like, eh, that
• 10:27
  Speaker 4: one was okay. I watched it. But, I mean, I'm
• 10:30
  Speaker 4: trying to get back to the list because I had
• 10:32
  Speaker 4: the list, but then I was looking up pictures of
• 10:33
  Speaker 4: Winona Ryder.
• 10:34
  Speaker 7: Speaking of words that kind of sound like that, Bandersnatch?
• 10:36
  Speaker 7: Did you watch Bandersnatch?
• 10:38
  Speaker 4: I have not watched the movie yet. I watched all
• 10:40
  Speaker 4: the TV shows, like all the episodes, but I have
• 10:42
  Speaker 4: not watched the movie.
• 10:43
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, it's your thing.
• 10:45
  Speaker 4: I know. I haven't got to it yet.
• 10:46
  Speaker 7: It is choose your own adventure, for God's sake. I
• 10:48
  Speaker 7: haven't had time to mess with it either, but I've
• 10:50
  Speaker 7: heard good things.
• 10:51
  Speaker 4: The first season, I wasn't too impressed with the first season.
• 10:56
  Speaker 7: You just don't feel that way about pigs, is what
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  Speaker 7: it is.
• 10:58
  Speaker 4: I do not feel that way about... I'm guessing you've
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  Speaker 4: watched the pig fucker episode.
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  Speaker 7: I started watching... Again, when it first started getting a
• 11:04
  Speaker 7: lot of people talking about it, I tried to give
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  Speaker 7: what little time I could, and I only got a
• 11:08
  Speaker 7: few episodes in, and I just haven't had time to
• 11:10
  Speaker 7: mess with it since.
• 11:11
  Speaker 4: So you didn't get to the good episodes, is what
• 11:13
  Speaker 4: you're saying. This first season wasn't that great.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it was okay.
• 11:17
  Speaker 4: It had that one guy in it from... Was it
• 11:20
  Speaker 4: Go Away? No, not Go Away. I'm getting all my
• 11:23
  Speaker 4: movies mixed up. What's the one that they made a
• 11:25
  Speaker 4: big deal about lately? The horror movies with the... Made
• 11:30
  Speaker 4: by Peele?
• 11:31
  Speaker 7: Get Out. Get Out. Go Away.
• 11:32
  Speaker 9: Get Out.
• 11:33
  Speaker 4: Same fucking thing.
• 11:34
  Speaker 7: Same concept, I suppose.
• 11:36
  Speaker 4: I haven't seen either one of them. Anyways, he's in
• 11:39
  Speaker 4: that one. The first season was okay at the best.
• 11:44
  Speaker 4: Season 2 gets into Be Right Back, which was fucking awesome.
• 11:49
  Speaker 4: It was still probably one of my favorites. They all
• 11:54
  Speaker 4: have the whole technology issue.
• 11:56
  Speaker 7: That is the evil that will destroy us.
• 11:58
  Speaker 4: Well, Be Right Back and White Christmas from second season
• 12:01
  Speaker 4: are both really good. Be Right Back, it's her and
• 12:04
  Speaker 4: her boyfriend. Half the time I spent this episode, I'm like,
• 12:08
  Speaker 4: who the fuck is this girl? She looks like somebody.
• 12:11
  Speaker 4: She looks like Neve Campbell and fucking Hayley Atwell. Like
• 12:15
  Speaker 4: if they had a baby.
• 12:16
  Speaker 7: Did they have a baby?
• 12:17
  Speaker 4: No, because it was Haley Atwell. Apparently Haley Atwell looks
• 12:21
  Speaker 4: like a cross between her and Neve Campbell.
• 12:23
  Speaker 7: That's a good trick for her. And a bonus for
• 12:26
  Speaker 7: Neve Campbell.
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  Speaker 3: I suppose.
• 12:27
  Speaker 4: Like young Neve Campbell. I don't know what she looks
• 12:29
  Speaker 4: like now.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, she looks good. I just saw her. A few
• 12:32
  Speaker 7: months ago. I was in the same room with Neve Campbell.
• 12:34
  Speaker 7: She looked damn good.
• 12:35
  Speaker 4: Anyway, it's her and her boyfriend. And he's kind of
• 12:37
  Speaker 4: an ass. I didn't really like him to begin with
• 12:39
  Speaker 4: because he's just... all the time on his phone. Apparently
• 12:43
  Speaker 4: he goes out and he dies. Spoiler alert. It happens
• 12:45
  Speaker 4: really soon. It happens really soon.
• 12:47
  Speaker 7: That's not the thing that makes the episode. It's what
• 12:50
  Speaker 7: happens after that.
• 12:51
  Speaker 4: No, well, I still think I'm giving too much away. Like,
• 12:54
  Speaker 4: her friend signs her, because she is just, like, fucking
• 12:56
  Speaker 4: a mess, you know? Because she had just moved into, like,
• 12:59
  Speaker 4: his mom's house, because they were moving into his mom's
• 13:01
  Speaker 4: house when he had to go to get something when
• 13:02
  Speaker 4: he died. Anyways, whoa, that's a long story. Anyways, his sister,
• 13:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's her sister or his sister,
• 13:10
  Speaker 4: signs her up for this program where it goes through
• 13:13
  Speaker 4: and scans all of their internet interactions so that you
• 13:19
  Speaker 4: can talk to them.
• 13:20
  Speaker 7: There's a similar concept that just happened on an episode
• 13:25
  Speaker 7: of The Orville. It was basically creating a person's personality
• 13:29
  Speaker 7: from their leftover internet content and videos and Twitter feeds
• 13:35
  Speaker 7: and everything else. It just kind of put that into
• 13:36
  Speaker 7: an amalgam and created a person.
• 13:38
  Speaker 4: Was this before or after? Because it sounds like the
• 13:40
  Speaker 4: exact same goddamn thing.
• 13:42
  Speaker 7: It was the second season for The Orville, so it
• 13:44
  Speaker 7: might have been after.
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  Speaker 4: It depends on- Did they eventually make it into a person?
• 13:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 13:47
  Speaker 7: That's what this was. Eventually, it's like- Because there, they
• 13:49
  Speaker 7: have the holodeck kind of idea, and they just- Well,
• 13:52
  Speaker 7: then she gets it in the video. He got into
• 13:53
  Speaker 7: a relationship with her, basically.
• 13:55
  Speaker 4: And then she gets to the point where she's like,
• 13:58
  Speaker 4: is this really the person? Because in the first, it's awesome.
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: She has this person who is like, you know, her
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: love of her life until she realizes he's too perfect.
• 14:10
  Speaker 7: Because he's not a real representation of who you are.
• 14:13
  Speaker 7: It's just what you put out there. We've theorized this
• 14:17
  Speaker 7: for years, just in the real world. I remember having
• 14:19
  Speaker 7: these conversations of like, What you put on the internet
• 14:22
  Speaker 7: isn't actually you. It's a presentation of what you want
• 14:25
  Speaker 7: people to think of you. And that's just a given.
• 14:28
  Speaker 7: It's people that don't realize it. I'm like, duh. That's
• 14:31
  Speaker 7: the way it's been since we started making these dumb
• 14:33
  Speaker 7: pages that are supposed to represent us. But it's just
• 14:36
  Speaker 7: what you want to post on there. It's not what.
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: So she gets to where she misses the negative things.
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: He doesn't argue with her. She says something. Oh, okay.
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: There's none of that little... There's no.
• 14:48
  Speaker 7: Why do we have to do that?
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: There's no.
• 14:51
  Speaker 7: no bickering there's no pushback it can't be a relationship.
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: It's all okay well okay i'm gonna you know i'm
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: gonna agree with you you know so it just there's
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: the whole end and i'm not gonna i'm not gonna
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: spoil the end because i think i've done pretty good
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: about that and then uh yeah that's got hayley atwell
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: in it because half the time was me watching the
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: show going like who's that i know that person somewhere
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: where do i know that person from there's white christmas
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: which is also really good because that one has john
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: hammond in it i never watched whatever show he was.
• 15:19
  Speaker 7: On Yeah, I didn't get in. Again, I didn't have
• 15:22
  Speaker 7: the cable network at the time. I didn't have any
• 15:24
  Speaker 7: cable at the time that Mad Men started, so I
• 15:26
  Speaker 7: just never got a chance to get into it. But
• 15:29
  Speaker 7: I know him from other things. He is pretty cool.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: I'll spoil one part of that because it's actually three
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: different stories. And one of the stories was like, it
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: was really cool to me. I thought it was really
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: awesome because it's like this girl and she has this
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: little thing implanted in her head. And it stays in
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: her head and it becomes part of her And eventually
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: they extract it. So they extract the part of her
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: and put it in this egg.
• 15:55
  Speaker 7: Interesting.
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: And that is her, like, series. That's how she gets
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: things exactly how she wants them because she, a second
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: version of herself, lives in that fucking egg and knows
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: exactly how she likes things and how she wants things.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: That's how the Siri works.
• 16:08
  Speaker 7: I mean, again, I feel like we're heading down this road.
• 16:11
  Speaker 7: That's the whole point of Black Mirror is it's just
• 16:13
  Speaker 7: a shade away from where we're actually at right now.
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: But it's so hard for her to understand because to her,
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: it's her. It's hard for her to understand that she's
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: not the her that's walking around anymore. She is like,
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: what happened to my body?
• 16:25
  Speaker 7: This is complicated.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. But that part was really, it's like
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: there's three different stories and that's not the main story
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: so I don't think I like really ruined anything. Let's see,
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: when you get to like, season three was like, let's see,
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: I don't think the, oh, San Junipero, I'm probably saying
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: that wrong, San Junipero?
• 16:41
  Speaker 7: I don't even, how would, hmm, Junipero?
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: I love that episode. Nosedive was kind of like, eh,
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: but it did have that one chick in it. Give
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: me a second, Redhead, but not that Redhead, the other Redhead.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: Three names.
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: Sarah Jessica Parker.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: Redhead.
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: Haley Joel Osment.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: Famous Dad.
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: Liv Simpson Tyler.
• 17:07
  Speaker 11: Opie Day.
• 17:08
  Speaker 7: Opie, goddammit. Oh, that lady.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: Bryce.
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: Bryce Dallas Howard.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure that was her.
• 17:14
  Speaker 7: Yes. I do like her.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's based on the whole society. We're like, if
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: not enough people like you. Your whole life is judged
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: by people's interaction. If you have an interaction, they have
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: to go online and every interaction has to be rated.
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: Again, I feel like we're heading down that road.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: And she couldn't buy a house in a certain neighborhood
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: because her rating wasn't high enough.
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: Her credit rating is her popularity rating. Yeah, exactly. Nice.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that one was okay. Sandrine Appearance was my absolute
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: favorite episode of all of them. I'm not even going
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: to talk about that one really because there's no way
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: to not spoil that one.
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: Just go watch it.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: Even halfway through, I'm like, what the fuck? I can't
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: even talk about it. Because I didn't even know what
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: the fuck was going on until almost the end.
• 18:00
  Speaker 9: I'm like, oh.
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: Blown your mind.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: My mind was fucking blown. I don't even care. That
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: was fucking good. I finished season four. My second, which
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: we accidentally watched the first episode of season four first.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: I don't even know how that works. Usually you start
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: a show on Netflix. It starts you at the very beginning.
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I thought that's how they set it up.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, they threw me into season four without warning. so
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: watch the uss callister first oh my god goddamn that
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: one was pure genius because as everybody knows that's the
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: star trek episode all right it is and it's like
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: i alternate reality being able to like plug yourself into
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: a game and he has his own separate world that's
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: plugged into his in uh so good and apparently his
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: his fake world is based on like a like an
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: amalgamation of like Like Battlestar Galactica and Star Trek, a
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: little bit of Star Wars. It's all like the old
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: sci-fi shows. And him having to come back and deal
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: with the real world where he's not the captain. He's
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: kind of like the, you know, how he can control
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: things in his world. He's just kind of like a
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: wormy little shit in.
• 19:05
  Speaker 9: The real world.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: So that one was really good. And then we watched
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: one last night. It was probably my third favorite. I
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: finally watched Black Museum.
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: I don't even know if I can talk too much
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: about that one without ruining it either.
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: Then we won't. Just tell people how awesome it is.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: It's incredibly awesome. Like I said, the girl, she goes
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: to this like, she goes there and she's charging her
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: car because it's in the future and everything has to
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: have at least some variety of some kind of technical thing.
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: Futury stuff.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: And there's like nothing else around it but there's this
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: weird museum that all it is is this guy's collection
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: of like, most of it has to do with like,
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: you can watch and like, alright, I saw that in
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: an episode. And all of them tie together in some,
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: like they're references to almost every other episode. that's was
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: the first one that didn't have a song there's a
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: song that plays in almost every fucking episode interesting but
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: uh in his museum you're like there's the sucker from
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: one episode there's that's one of the bees from that
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: episode and you know like there's that one from that
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: like you can see like all the artifacts but he
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: didn't tell stories about those but uh so if anybody
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: hasn't seen black mirror i would definitely suggest watching it
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: I put it off for a long time. I don't
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: know why. It was on my list of things to watch.
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: I just haven't had time, but that's true of every series.
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: So I want to now maybe have to hit at
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: least the awesome episodes that you're discussing.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to watch at least the USS Callister
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: and the one I said earlier with Hayley Atwell and
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: the Black Museum. I would at least watch those. There
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: are a couple other ones that are like, oh, that
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: was okay. But there are some that I would just
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: skip totally. Like the ones with the, hold on, what's
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: the name?
• 20:38
  Speaker 9: Metalhead?
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Metalhead wasn't good. I remember Hang the DJ being pretty good,
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: but I don't remember what that was even about. Oh yeah,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: that was pretty good. Hang the DJ was okay, but
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: not the greatest.
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: Alright, so check out Black Mirror. At least specific ones.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: I would watch Hang the DJ. It's not one of
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: my top five. It's probably like six.
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: Alright, Black Mirror. It's on the list.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Metalhead's dumb, though.
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: I'm going to try to get to at least some
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: of them. But for now, I say we take our break,
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: and then we'll go check in with this week's guest.
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  Speaker 9: Woo! Anyone Anyone.
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  Speaker 12: Anyone Anyone You can blame me.
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  Speaker 13: Try to shame me and still I'll.
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  Speaker 9: Care for you.
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  Speaker 11: You can run around, even put me down, still I'll
• 21:41
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  Speaker 13: May think I'm foolish They can't see you Like I
• 22:10
  Speaker 13: can Oh, but anyone Who knows what love is.
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  Speaker 14: Will understand.
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• 28:25
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  Speaker 3: It's time for another installment of The Art of Being
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  Speaker 3: a Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 12: The Art of Being a Movie Geek.
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: I usually start at the very beginning so i guess
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: uh where were you born.
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: Well i i was born in uh in pennsylvania uh
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  Speaker 8: near where my mom grew up and uh then uh
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  Speaker 8: immediately uh the family was in the bronx new york
• 29:37
  Speaker 8: for about two years and uh My dad worked in
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: the advertising business in New York. I like to think
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: he was sort of one of the madmen, but I
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: think that had dissipated by then.
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: It was the late 60s. So he was the 70s
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: version of the man?
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of.
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: That's probably scary, isn't it?
• 29:58
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: Just the ties and the suits.
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: Well, the suits were amazing and so were the sideburns.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: They were huge. But, yeah, so that.
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: Was, you know, I spent until I was about 11
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: years old in New Jersey in Elizabeth across the river
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: from New York.
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: That's the perfect time because then I always try to
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: see how everybody gets involved in their fandom, and what
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: leads them down that road. So that's right when it
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: starts getting its hooks into you. So what was it
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: that you were first kind of drawn to? I'm assuming
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: it'll be like pop culture in general, but I also
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: tie in. Eventually, after a while, I started doing stuff
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: with so many visual artists that it just became its
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: own series of the art of being a movie geek.
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: So the art end of being drawn toward film.
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: You know, I have to say that I think one
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: of the first things that sort of influenced me and
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: I was interested in was the original Sesame Street. Because,
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: you know, it's my generation. I was two years old
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: or three years old when it started.
• 31:09
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 31:10
  Speaker 8: And I actually got to visit the set when I
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: was four years old.
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: That's, for any kid, that's pretty cool.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: It was unbelievable.
• 31:19
  Speaker 8: I was just talking about this earlier with someone. And
• 31:21
  Speaker 8: I think it was that trip to the Sesame Street
• 31:23
  Speaker 8: set that I had already watched on TV for quite
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: a while.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: And I was familiar with all.
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: The characters and everything.
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: It took that sort of magical feeling that I had
• 31:35
  Speaker 8: watching the show, and it didn't eliminate the magic, but
• 31:39
  Speaker 8: it sort of revealed some of the other magical parts
• 31:43
  Speaker 8: about it, was that there were actual people doing this.
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: The practical parts of the magic.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: I remember one Very vivid memory of mine is being
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: able to stand on one of the boxes next to
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: Oscar the Grouch's trash can and see the hole cut
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: in the back for Carol Spinney, the Muppet performer, to
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: reach his hand up in and operate Oscar.
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: That's amazing.
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: And I remember at four years old thinking, oh, well,
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: that makes sense because they had to have a guy
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: in there because he's, it's just a puppet.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, I knew it was a puppet.
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: Wait a minute. What are you talking about?
• 32:17
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: What?
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: Wait a minute.
• 32:19
  Speaker 12: Spoilers.
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: But I think that was the earliest sort of thing
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: that got me not only interested in it, but a
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: little bit knowledgeable about some of the stuff that I
• 32:33
  Speaker 8: would later become involved in.
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a real-world aspect to all these things on TV.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: And I think another aspect is a couple years later
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: I started watching Star Trek because the animated show came
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: out in 1973. And I actually started by watching the
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: animated show. And then I realized, oh, well, there's a
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: live-action show, too.
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah. That other show.
• 33:00
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: A few people saw that.
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: But I was completely enamored with Star Trek, obviously. And
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: the book, The Making of Star Trek, by Stephen Whitfield,
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: Stephen Poe.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Was one of those things.
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: that like my trip to Sesame Street, it sort of
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: showed a little bit of the background of how this
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: stuff was done. And I think a lot of that
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: is connected to the feeling that I had watching it
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: as a kid, a lot of.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Those were very scary.
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: Certainly the last picture of Balok in the end credits
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: scared me like crazy.
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: I still, for a while, I didn't want to watch
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: Star Trek. Then it would get to the point I
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: would watch the show and then get away when the
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: credits came on because he's disturbing.
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: The Talosians were also scary in sort of the same way.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe there's something about the big heads.
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 34:03
  Speaker 8: But it's that aspect of being scared that made me
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: even more interesting to find out why that was, why
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: I was scared, what was causing that, and how you
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: can duplicate that feeling in others. So I found that
• 34:19
  Speaker 8: very fascinating. I found that a lot of my connection
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: with Star Trek was because I was scared by those images.
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: It also relates to my connection with 2001, a space
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: odyssey because the star child produced exactly the same feeling
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: in me. And, and I got to see 2001 when
• 34:36
  Speaker 8: I was seven years old in a theater.
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: That's maybe more than a seven year old can handle.
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: It was just about more than I could handle, but
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: it was, it was again, magical. And because there was
• 34:49
  Speaker 8: so little, uh, that was revealed.
• 34:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: They don't explain anything.
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: And, you know, even in the making of the movie,
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: it was, there was almost no information out there.
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: Figure this out.
• 35:02
  Speaker 9: Exactly.
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: Here you go. Just exactly.
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: Um, so that was, you know, another thing that pulled
• 35:07
  Speaker 8: me along. And of course, you know, wizard of Oz, uh,
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: inspired me a lot. And, uh, and I loved, uh,
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: old movies that we would see on TV, planet of.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: The apes, of course.
• 35:17
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah.
• 35:18
  Speaker 8: Um, and all that stuff that we grew up with. I,
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: I enjoyed the Godzilla and monster movies, but I didn't
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: have the same connection to them for some reason. I
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: enjoyed them and I found them fun, but it just
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: didn't speak to me.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: The same way.
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: Do you want to destroy cities?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: No, no, not anymore.
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: It's because we're close to it now. Yeah, exactly. So
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: were you, I guess, at what point did you start
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: working in some personal level, which I'm assuming started drawing
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: pictures of these things?
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Well, I.
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: Because my dad worked in the advertising industry, he knew
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: some art directors at various agencies. And one of these
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: guys was an artist, and he gave me a pad
• 36:05
  Speaker 8: of tracing paper. And it was a big pad. It
• 36:09
  Speaker 8: was like two feet by three feet.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: It was a huge pad of tracing paper.
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: This is trouble for a kid.
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: And I began tracing record album covers. and tracing everything
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: I could get my hands on. And that sort of
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: taught me how to draw, because I was copying everything.
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: Figuring out the layouts. Yeah, exactly.
• 36:33
  Speaker 8: And then I would combine pictures. I would draw a
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: little bit from one, bring in another, and draw a
• 36:38
  Speaker 8: little bit from that, and create my own images. And
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: so it was a little bit of collaging through tracing,
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: which was a lot of fun.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: But I would do that.
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: All the time, and I would be perfectly content to
• 36:50
  Speaker 8: sit in my room and draw and listen to records.
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: And I'm pretty much exactly the same way now, which
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: is good because now they will sometimes pay me for
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: doing that.
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: If you can get to that point, that's a plus.
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: That's a bonus. So I guess, again, how far in
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: did you get on the art end of it? And
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: then at what point did it start taking you towards like, oh,
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: I guess I'm going to end up doing this again?
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: It's interesting because I never really intended on art to
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: be my livelihood. It was always something that I just
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: did on the side and was able to enjoy. When
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: I went through high school, I actually specifically did not
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: take any art classes at all because the one thing
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: I found in junior high that completely sapped my interest
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: for doing art was taking art class because art classes
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: are art classes no it it was art classes are
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: not intended for artists art classes are intended for non-artists
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: and therefore if you're an artist they're incredibly horrible to
• 38:02
  Speaker 8: be in because it's more like busy work you know
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: let's let's make a let's make a a a you know,
• 38:10
  Speaker 8: a little paperweight. Let's paint a rock with a flower
• 38:14
  Speaker 8: on it, and that's our art. And I was completely
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: appalled with the whole idea of this. So I completely
• 38:22
  Speaker 8: turned away from any sort of school art classes for
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: that reason, because I was fine with drawing on my own. And,
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: you know, it was a little bit of an elitist
• 38:35
  Speaker 8: stance agreed.
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: But yeah you know kids got that built in anyway
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: it it actually served served me well because it didn't
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: teach me any horrifically bad habits later so i got
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: that going for.
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: Me um getting away from the class yeah that's where
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: you learn real stuff.
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: But i i eventually began to learn that i i
• 38:54
  Speaker 8: wanted to work in in the movie industry somehow because
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: it had all the things that i was interested in
• 39:02
  Speaker 8: it had uh music and uh artwork and sort of
• 39:06
  Speaker 8: the combination of all the known arts into one form.
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: And ever since I had the triple punch of Star Wars,
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: Close Encounters, and Superman in that sort of two-year period
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: between 77 and 78, it just sort of made me
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: decide that however I was going to do this, I
• 39:29
  Speaker 8: wanted to do this. in the movie business. So I
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: was very inspired by those things. And when I, you know,
• 39:37
  Speaker 8: when I was going through high school, I was determined
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: to somehow find a way to do that. And I
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: knew that the... the way that you usually do it
• 39:47
  Speaker 8: is you go to where the industry is. And at
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: that time, it was in Los Angeles.
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: It was kind of the only way to do it
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: back then. Yeah, you moved to Atlanta.
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: It's less so now, yeah, absolutely. Or you move to
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: Atlanta for at least the next couple weeks.
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, until it rebounds to a new city. It would
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: have been Toronto for a while and then Atlanta.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: You know, it's always itinerant workers who follow the movie
• 40:12
  Speaker 8: industry around. But Back in the day, the hub was
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: Los Angeles, and it is still to some extent. So
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: I applied to two colleges. I applied to University of
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: Illinois down in Champaign-Urbana, primarily because my dad had gone
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: there and he was familiar with it, and also Hal
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: was born there from 2001. So that was, in the
• 40:39
  Speaker 8: back of my mind, a reason to apply there. And
• 40:42
  Speaker 8: I applied to USC because that's where George Lucas had
• 40:45
  Speaker 8: gone to. And he was a hero of mine at
• 40:48
  Speaker 8: the time. He still is to some extent, but let's
• 40:52
  Speaker 8: be honest. I think a lot of time has passed
• 40:54
  Speaker 8: between those times.
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: For all of us, it's still ingrained in there.
• 40:58
  Speaker 8: But I knew that I probably wanted to go to
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: USC because it, in my mind, was the place to be.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: So when I.
• 41:05
  Speaker 8: Got approval or acceptance letters from both universities, I made
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: the decision, well.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I could either go.
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: To Champaign-Urbana and be a lot closer to my parents
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: and probably grow to hate them.
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: See where this is going.
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: Or I could establish a definite 2,000-mile buffer between myself
• 41:25
  Speaker 8: and my parents and appreciate them even more. And that's the.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Road that I took.
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: Distance makes the heart grow.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: It does. It does, absolutely.
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: And I don't strangle you.
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: So, you know, a month after I turned 18, I
• 41:39
  Speaker 8: moved out to Los Angeles, average. after having never been there,
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: and enrolled into USC and went there for a couple
• 41:47
  Speaker 8: of years.
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: Until I ran out of money, which happens pretty quickly,
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: I'm assuming. So at that point, what were you doing
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: to get by? What was the in-between work?
• 41:57
  Speaker 8: Well, you know, the things that I would do was immediately,
• 42:02
  Speaker 8: an interesting story, immediately when I got to USC, I
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: realized that, well, I have to take sort of an
• 42:09
  Speaker 8: on-campus job to help make ends meet a little bit.
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: And I was able to get a job in the
• 42:14
  Speaker 8: cinema school working at the main desk, sort of at
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: reception in the evenings for all the evening classes. And
• 42:23
  Speaker 8: so I worked there at Jack Warner's old desk that
• 42:26
  Speaker 8: was in the lobby. And I got to sit there
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: and answer the phone and direct people to where they
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: were supposed to go.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: And that was fascinating.
• 42:35
  Speaker 8: And I was able to, once I had that established,
• 42:40
  Speaker 8: I was able to transfer that job into a job
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: working in the post-production building as a post-production, what they
• 42:47
  Speaker 8: called monitors, which were people who would check in people
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: to the various, um, you know, moviolas and, uh, and, uh, Steenbeck, uh,
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: editing tables. Um, and there was also videotape editors there
• 43:00
  Speaker 8: at the time.
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: Um, technical things people use today.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 43:05
  Speaker 8: This is, we now call these dinosaurs. Um, But I
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: worked in the post-production building for a year and helped
• 43:13
  Speaker 8: people with their student projects.
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: They were all really, really good.
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: Well, you know, some are good and some are trying
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: to be good. But that's what you do. They're student projects,
• 43:27
  Speaker 8: and they call it that for a reason. But I
• 43:31
  Speaker 8: also sort of put up flyers for a side business
• 43:35
  Speaker 8: to do graphics.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: For student films.
• 43:37
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: You know, like if anyone needed signs or titles or
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: things like that. Because I knew how to do that
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: kind of stuff. And, you know, back in the day,
• 43:45
  Speaker 8: it was all done with Letraset and rub-on letters and paint.
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: You couldn't just type it in and go print it
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: up on your own printer.
• 43:55
  Speaker 8: You know, the Mac had come out, but no one
• 43:58
  Speaker 8: could afford that. Certainly not a student. And so I
• 44:02
  Speaker 8: did it all by hand. And my first and only customer.
• 44:07
  Speaker 8: Was this kid who had just finished a film on
• 44:11
  Speaker 8: his own, separate from school, and he had produced it himself,
• 44:16
  Speaker 8: he'd mixed it in England, and he needed titles for it.
• 44:21
  Speaker 8: And so I did titles for this guy, and this
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: guy was Lee Unkrich, who later went on to direct
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: the Toy Story movies, and a bunch of stuff for Pixar.
• 44:32
  Speaker 8: And so, you know, we were friends from... Back in 1985.
• 44:38
  Speaker 8: And we've kept in contact since then. He's a great guy,
• 44:41
  Speaker 8: and he's since retired from Pixar because I think he's
• 44:45
  Speaker 8: made tons of money there, and he's done.
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: Don't tell him. Toy Story's going on without him.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll see. We'll see when it comes out. They're
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: going to try.
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: They finished their trilogy, and they said, ah, but one more. Yeah.
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: But he's one of the people that I knew at SC,
• 45:03
  Speaker 8: and I knew... Several other people that I worked with later,
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: Jay Roach was a teacher's assistant there while I was there,
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: and then he later went on to do the Austin
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: Powers movies and several others, and a couple that I
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: worked on. But it's very interesting. All the people that
• 45:22
  Speaker 8: I met at USC were just starting out, and as
• 45:27
  Speaker 8: I told in my presentation last hour, one of those
• 45:32
  Speaker 8: guys named Van Ling was basically my entryway into the
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: professional world because of my friendship with him and my
• 45:39
  Speaker 8: ability to work on stuff that he needed. So that
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: might be a tale for another time. But suffice it
• 45:47
  Speaker 8: to say that through him, I was able to meet
• 45:49
  Speaker 8: James Cameron and be able to get work on my
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: first professional job on The Abyss as the art department assistant.
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: Just happened upon this guy, James Cameron.
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: Just before he made two of the biggest motion pictures
• 46:05
  Speaker 7: in the world.
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: Well, he hadn't done bad so far because Aliens had
• 46:09
  Speaker 8: just come out.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: And, of course, The Terminator.
• 46:12
  Speaker 8: The Terminator was like two years before that. So, you know,
• 46:16
  Speaker 8: he was definitely an up-and-comer and he was just being noticed.
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: Well, and Abyss felt like it was also that test
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: ground for him to figure out the effects. Because you
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: see him doing what he's going to use in T2.
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: The Abyss is the transitional movie between using standard visual
• 46:34
  Speaker 8: effects techniques and digital visual effects techniques. Not as a
• 46:41
  Speaker 8: sort of test bed for it, but actually using them successfully.
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: It's straddling the line, yeah.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: And they basically invented....
• 46:50
  Speaker 8: Film scanning on that, and were able to... Folks at ILM,
• 46:55
  Speaker 8: including John Knoll, who was the co-creator of Photoshop, they
• 47:01
  Speaker 8: were able to sort of integrate that into an actual
• 47:04
  Speaker 8: workflow for the first time. And, of course, all those
• 47:07
  Speaker 8: techniques were later used on T2 to establish it even more.
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: So you came on to do kind of everything at
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: that point and just... found your way to it?
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: I was basically brought on to build some study models
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: of the sets that they were designing and I got
• 47:24
  Speaker 8: to meet Ron Cobb who was there in a room
• 47:26
  Speaker 8: sketching away and of course I'd been a huge fan
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: of his because I loved Alien and Conan and Last
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: Starfighter and all that sort of stuff that he worked
• 47:36
  Speaker 8: on and I still love his work. I would probably
• 47:39
  Speaker 8: say that I'm more in the Cobb camp than the
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: Sid Mead camp. I think Sid Mead's designs are amazing
• 47:46
  Speaker 8: but no designs are more buildable than Ron Cobb's are.
• 47:50
  Speaker 8: And buildable to look exactly as he draws them. There's
• 47:54
  Speaker 8: still a bit of magic about Sid Mead that you
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: cannot capture in actual reality, which is a little bit
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: of a frustrating thing for an artist that is supposed
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: to make things. But anyway, so I was able to
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: turn that little model building job of a couple weeks
• 48:15
  Speaker 8: into actually working for the art department as their assistant
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: and being able to do various sorts of stuff because
• 48:22
  Speaker 8: this was a non-union movie so it was.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: We were able to do a lot.
• 48:28
  Speaker 8: Of things that you wouldn't normally be able to do
• 48:31
  Speaker 8: as the production assistant for the art department I did
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: some graphic design I designed the benthic petroleum logo for
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: the movie and and all the markings on the submersibles,
• 48:43
  Speaker 8: and I physically put the markings on the two Sea
• 48:49
  Speaker 8: King helicopters at the beginning, matching the miniature. We had
• 48:54
  Speaker 8: the miniature built already, and I matched the full-scale ones
• 48:57
  Speaker 8: to the miniature, which was hilarious. You've got to do
• 49:01
  Speaker 8: it one way or another, and you go with.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: The one that's finished first.
• 49:06
  Speaker 8: But that was a lot of fun, and I worked
• 49:08
  Speaker 8: about 14 months on that movie. And it was just
• 49:12
  Speaker 8: an incredible sort of baptism, literally, into the industry.
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: With that, you're doing tons of physical stuff, and then
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: you sort of... He's seen your work as an artist,
• 49:24
  Speaker 7: so that sort of leads into working on the next project?
• 49:28
  Speaker 8: Well, I never worked for Jim Cameron again, and that
• 49:33
  Speaker 8: was partially through my own decision, but also because, you know...
• 49:39
  Speaker 8: Jim is a very odd bird that unless you're doing
• 49:41
  Speaker 8: specific things for him at the moment, he doesn't remember you. Um, I, I,
• 49:46
  Speaker 8: I'd seen him a couple of times, you know, years
• 49:48
  Speaker 8: later and he, he remembered me as a person, but
• 49:51
  Speaker 8: he didn't remember what the hell I did, which is fine. Um, but, uh,
• 49:56
  Speaker 8: I did, uh, I was able to connect with the
• 49:59
  Speaker 8: production designer on that film, Les Dilley, who was an
• 50:03
  Speaker 8: art director on star Wars and, and, Empire and Superman
• 50:07
  Speaker 8: and Raiders of the Lost Ark and all these movies
• 50:09
  Speaker 8: that I had loved when I was growing up. And
• 50:12
  Speaker 8: he sort of took me under his wing for a
• 50:15
  Speaker 8: few movies. And I worked with him on five movies
• 50:18
  Speaker 8: after that. And so he sort of brought me along.
• 50:22
  Speaker 8: And on each movie, I got more and more responsibility
• 50:25
  Speaker 8: and was able to get in the union on one
• 50:29
  Speaker 8: of them and was able to get in the union.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: As an illustrator. and was able to branch off from there.
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: So what were you specifically wanting to do more of
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: the concept art kind of thing? Because I know I
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: recently talked to like somebody who was doing storyboards. There's
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: definitely a different mode to that. Absolutely. You wanted to
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: do more of the.
• 50:50
  Speaker 8: You know, I had started out doing both. I certainly
• 50:54
  Speaker 8: did a lot more storyboarding back then because the work
• 50:58
  Speaker 8: was sort of generally available and there aren't or at
• 51:02
  Speaker 8: least there weren't at the time, a lot of concept
• 51:04
  Speaker 8: art positions on movies because movies that required that kind
• 51:08
  Speaker 8: of thing were very rare, certainly at that time. But
• 51:13
  Speaker 8: in those early years, I did a bunch of storyboarding
• 51:16
  Speaker 8: on a bunch of movies. One of the ones that
• 51:21
  Speaker 8: some people might have heard of or seen was called.
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: Freaked, which is a very strange movie.
• 51:30
  Speaker 8: Which was, you know, blending the talents of, uh, uh,
• 51:33
  Speaker 8: Alex Winter from, uh, Bill and Ted and, uh, his, uh,
• 51:38
  Speaker 8: producing partner and his, his director partner. And I can't
• 51:42
  Speaker 8: remember his name.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Forgive me. Um, uh, Tom, Tom, Alex Winter and Tom.
• 51:50
  Speaker 8: Oh my God.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: He's going to kill me. That's fine.
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: He's just Tom, you know, Tom Stern.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: That's his name.
• 51:57
  Speaker 8: Um, but, uh, And they had Screaming Mad George on
• 52:03
  Speaker 8: to design these various strange creatures. And they built all
• 52:09
  Speaker 8: these strange makeups and all sorts of really nightmarish creatures
• 52:17
  Speaker 8: in this very odd movie starring Randy Quaid as this
• 52:22
  Speaker 8: crazed sort of carnival owner. who would make his own
• 52:31
  Speaker 8: freaks from a machine that he had invented.
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: This is strange.
• 52:37
  Speaker 8: Using toxic waste as its engine.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 52:41
  Speaker 7: Like most things.
• 52:42
  Speaker 8: Oh, my God. It's a nightmarish movie, but it's very
• 52:48
  Speaker 8: subversively funny and odd at the same time.
• 52:51
  Speaker 7: Worked a little cameo with Keanu, so we get that
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: Bill and Ted crossover again. Yeah, Keanu as the dog boy.
• 52:56
  Speaker 9: Uncredited.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Uncredited. Uh, but it's, it's hilarious.
• 53:00
  Speaker 8: And, uh, uh, it, you know, it came out a
• 53:03
  Speaker 8: couple of years later after we worked on it. Cause
• 53:05
  Speaker 8: there was a whole bunch of.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Trouble with that.
• 53:07
  Speaker 8: Um, but, uh, it was, uh, I, I storyboarded all
• 53:13
  Speaker 8: of it in like three weeks.
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: So did they already have those characters?
• 53:16
  Speaker 8: They had the characters already designed.
• 53:19
  Speaker 7: Is that probably concept from Bill?
• 53:22
  Speaker 8: Well, yeah, and they had a designer named Bill Corso
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: doing some of the makeup and, of course, Screaming Matt
• 53:28
  Speaker 8: George doing the designs as well. Interesting. But it was crazy.
• 53:32
  Speaker 7: So that's, yeah, I was going to, there's so many
• 53:35
  Speaker 7: that you've worked on. I was going to let you
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: throw it out a few, I guess, that ones that
• 53:38
  Speaker 7: you have liked or don't like. That's the thing I
• 53:42
  Speaker 7: think is interesting, too, is when you work with these
• 53:46
  Speaker 7: huge properties and you have a specific job, Because I
• 53:49
  Speaker 7: asked that, you know, in years past here, I had
• 53:51
  Speaker 7: people that were working in doing special effects and model building.
• 53:55
  Speaker 7: But they're doing it for like the Transformers sequels and
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: the Pirates sequels. And I'm just like, do you get
• 54:02
  Speaker 7: to a point where you have to decide if you
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: like the movie or not? Versus, you know, you show
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: up and you do your job and your job is great.
• 54:09
  Speaker 8: Pretty much you have to separate your enjoyment of it
• 54:12
  Speaker 8: from the job.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Because the job is a job.
• 54:15
  Speaker 8: If it were something that everyone loved doing, they wouldn't
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: have to pay you. But we want them to pay you.
• 54:21
  Speaker 8: And so you have to do stuff that you may
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: not necessarily enjoy. And I've had to do that many times.
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: I've been lucky to have worked on a few of
• 54:30
  Speaker 8: them that I actually enjoy.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: And that's a privilege.
• 54:34
  Speaker 8: I don't expect it, certainly, from any job that I
• 54:37
  Speaker 8: work on. But I've been lucky to have been able
• 54:40
  Speaker 8: to find some of them watchable.
• 54:43
  Speaker 7: But yeah, I've noticed in listening to you talk, there
• 54:45
  Speaker 7: are a few that you don't hide the fact that
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: it might not be a great film, but your work
• 54:51
  Speaker 7: was great.
• 54:52
  Speaker 8: I understand that it's not very good, but at least
• 54:55
  Speaker 8: my little section of it was the best that I
• 54:57
  Speaker 8: could do at the time. So I'm fully knowledgeable about that,
• 55:02
  Speaker 8: and I don't apologize for that.
• 55:05
  Speaker 7: What were some of the ones that you really did
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: kind of appreciate getting a chance to work on and
• 55:09
  Speaker 7: then liked what you were able to do?
• 55:11
  Speaker 8: I had a lot of fun working on Adam's Family Values,
• 55:15
  Speaker 8: the sequel to the Anna's Family Values.
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: I love that one. I mean, probably more than the first.
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: I think the summer camp aspect is so much more fun.
• 55:22
  Speaker 8: That's funny, because I hate the summer camp aspect to it.
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: I think it's just because there's so much time spent
• 55:27
  Speaker 7: with Wednesday, and she's the most fun part of that movie.
• 55:30
  Speaker 8: She totally is, and I got to hang out with
• 55:32
  Speaker 8: her a little bit more. she would come by the
• 55:34
  Speaker 8: visual effects trailer and just to get away from set
• 55:37
  Speaker 8: and sit on the couch and just sort of hang out. Um, but, uh,
• 55:43
  Speaker 8: I got to work with a dear friend of mine,
• 55:45
  Speaker 8: Alan Monroe, who was the visual effects supervisor and second
• 55:48
  Speaker 8: unit director on that.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: And it was a lot of fun.
• 55:51
  Speaker 8: And I, I still work with him today, uh, after,
• 55:55
  Speaker 8: you know, 25 years of, uh, since doing that movie. And, uh,
• 56:00
  Speaker 8: But that was a lot of fun, and I got
• 56:01
  Speaker 8: to come up with some gags for Thing and bring
• 56:05
  Speaker 8: in ideas of my own to storyboard that for the
• 56:09
  Speaker 8: visual effects department, which was great fun for me.
• 56:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah. I was trying to look at some of the
• 56:15
  Speaker 7: other stuff. Because that's the other thing. Looking at your list,
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: you work on some that are very, like, crazy sci-fi
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: epics and then other stuff that's very like real world
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: right is it is there a different challenge that i
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: mean if you're doing because i was like like seven
• 56:29
  Speaker 7: is amazing to look at so visually that's a phenomenal
• 56:32
  Speaker 7: movie but what were you doing that was like because
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: you're still doing you know a cop drama in a city.
• 56:37
  Speaker 8: Right well seven was interesting because i was primarily responsible
• 56:44
  Speaker 8: for uh dealing with sort of various signage in the
• 56:48
  Speaker 8: movie And, you know, doing, you know, whatever redressing of
• 56:56
  Speaker 8: locations that they were going to do. And, you know,
• 57:01
  Speaker 8: one of the specific things, I got to draw some
• 57:03
  Speaker 8: sketches for the horrible knife... Appendage.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Appendage, right.
• 57:10
  Speaker 8: Strap thing that was, you know, used.
• 57:15
  Speaker 7: It's maybe the most horrifying thing in the entire movie.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: It's horrible.
• 57:19
  Speaker 8: I think, as it turned out, Patrick Tatopoulos did the
• 57:21
  Speaker 8: final version of it, but I got to do some
• 57:24
  Speaker 8: designs on that, too. I think one of the things
• 57:28
  Speaker 8: that remains intact from my work is all the soup
• 57:34
  Speaker 8: cans in the apartment of gluttony I designed.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: To be somewhat Campbell's.
• 57:42
  Speaker 7: But not. Generic enough to not get sued.
• 57:45
  Speaker 8: Exactly.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 57:46
  Speaker 8: Use the same colors, but don't use the same logos. So,
• 57:50
  Speaker 8: you know, I'm kind of happy with how that turned out.
• 57:53
  Speaker 8: And that was, you know, sort of early computer Mac
• 57:57
  Speaker 8: work in Illustrator when I was basically first learning how
• 58:00
  Speaker 8: to use it. And, you know, I look at it
• 58:02
  Speaker 8: today and it's horrid. But, you know, that's what we
• 58:05
  Speaker 8: did at the time. So, you know, everyone was learning.
• 58:08
  Speaker 8: But it certainly was an interesting movie to sort of
• 58:11
  Speaker 8: participate in. Yeah.
• 58:13
  Speaker 7: I mean, some of them have a very specific visual style.
• 58:16
  Speaker 7: Do they give you that? Especially somebody like Fincher is
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: so specific. Like, do they give you kind of your
• 58:21
  Speaker 7: preset visual style to start with?
• 58:24
  Speaker 8: It sort of evolves organically. Yeah. I think it comes
• 58:29
  Speaker 8: down from the director to the production designer and sort
• 58:33
  Speaker 8: of filters through the art directors to the illustrators and
• 58:37
  Speaker 8: concept artists.
• 58:38
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 58:39
  Speaker 8: It's very a natural way of sort of establishing things that,
• 58:44
  Speaker 8: you know, the output from the illustrators may not match
• 58:47
  Speaker 8: exactly the style and tone of what they're looking for,
• 58:50
  Speaker 8: but it gives a direction and it lets the higher-ups
• 58:54
  Speaker 8: steer it in the way that they want. So it
• 58:57
  Speaker 8: doesn't need to be perfect all the way through. It
• 59:00
  Speaker 8: just needs to be the way they want it when
• 59:01
  Speaker 8: it gets to the screen.
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: A guide to kind of lead them that direction.
• 59:04
  Speaker 8: Exactly, Because a lot of the times what I'm doing
• 59:08
  Speaker 8: is I'm showing them what they don't want.
• 59:11
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: And so whatever you see here, this.
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: Is not what we want.
• 59:16
  Speaker 8: We want something more like this. So it is used
• 59:19
  Speaker 8: to give people direction rather than show people exactly.
• 59:22
  Speaker 9: What it is.
• 59:24
  Speaker 7: Another of those that, like you mentioned, the Chronicle of
• 59:27
  Speaker 7: Riddick earlier at your talk, that is one that from
• 59:29
  Speaker 7: the beginning felt very gear-inspired.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 59:33
  Speaker 7: And so it is one of those, like, did everybody
• 59:35
  Speaker 7: kind of come in and be like, this is the
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: tone of what we're going for.
• 59:39
  Speaker 8: That was one of the more fun projects because, as
• 59:42
  Speaker 8: I mentioned before, it was a huge art department. And
• 59:45
  Speaker 8: the great thing is that the director, David Toohey, was
• 59:49
  Speaker 8: very excited to be working directly with the artists in
• 59:52
  Speaker 8: the art department. So he would come by every week
• 59:54
  Speaker 8: and hang out in the art department. And we would
• 59:56
  Speaker 8: talk about stuff. We would talk about sci-fi. We would
• 59:59
  Speaker 8: talk about ideas for the script that he was having.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 8: We were talking about ways of getting to certain things
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 8: that he was looking for. And he was very engaged
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 8: with us. And that was extremely stimulating and fun to
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 8: be able to not only be doing the work on this,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 8: but actually be included in the process, which is always
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 8: a good way to get your workers invested in something
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 8: is to give them a piece of it, at least
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 8: in their mind.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: But it was very, very fun.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 8: And each, each one of us in the art department
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 8: were sort of divided up into little groups. You know,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 8: these three guys are working on this faction of the movie.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 8: These three guys are working on the bad guys. These
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 8: three guys are working on the people who live on
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 8: the planet and, so each sort of style was given
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 8: to the various teams and they, there wouldn't be any
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 8: cross pollination. So there would be a direct, uh, you know,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 8: visual clarity throughout all of them. And that's sort of
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 8: how it worked on that. And I got to work with, uh,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 8: you know, some great artists on there, uh, Tim Flattery,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 8: Matt Codd, uh, Miles Tevis, who's a great sculptor. And
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 8: he came up with the, uh, the, uh.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 7: What did they call him?
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 8: The leader of the Necromonger's helmet that had three heads,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 8: three faces on it. And some very cool stuff in
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 8: that movie. All out of focus behind a close-up of Vin.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 7: Which is, to me, the weakest part of those movies.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 8: He does what he's hired to do.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 7: I've gotten more issues with him over the years, but...
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 7: But looking at, yeah, when you go outside of the
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 7: more traditional real world stuff, when you're doing drawings for
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 7: Monster House or stuff inspired by the Flintstones, do you
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 7: like kind of breaking free of that and getting a
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 7: chance to do stuff that's not so real world?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 8: You know, every new movie gives you a new opportunity
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 8: to do something different. And part of the fun for
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 8: me is sort of, being able to adapt style to
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 8: whatever it is that I'm working on and be able
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 8: to sort of pivot to do whatever they need. And
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 8: that's an amazing amount of fun for me. And that's
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 8: one of the great things is that each show you
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 8: learn a completely new set of skills that you may
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 8: or may not use on future things.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's definitely changed massively from when you started
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 7: and we're probably doing... charcoal sketches and pencil sketches to
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 7: being forced, whether you liked it or not, to do
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 7: so much of it in the computer now.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 8: Well, luckily, I enjoy working on the computer, and I
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 8: was one of the first people to actually bring the
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 8: computer into work and, you know, start using Photoshop and
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 8: Illustrator and things like that and start actually doing 3D,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 8: you know, back when I had a cartload of computer
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 8: stuff that I had to lug with me to each show.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 8: You know, now I can just bring in my.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: Laptop and go all day. Yeah, one load a day.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 8: But it's it's very exciting and each you know as
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 8: i said each new show brings a whole bunch of
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 8: new challenges and new ways to do things that is
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 8: very stimulating.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: And you again in your talk you kind of mentioned
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: the fight that it is to constantly stay employed is
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 7: that i mean is that i mean that's yeah for
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 7: everybody in the industry so i mean is that something
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: that There is no good way. I mean, do people
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: come find you, or do you kind of have to
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 7: still put your word out there?
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: It's both.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: It's both.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 8: I mean, you know, I've been working for 30 years,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 8: and I still have to beat the bushes and let
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 8: people know that I'm, one, available, and two, willing. Because it's,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 8: as I was saying, in the past three years, I've
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 8: lost two production designers that I work with all the time.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: They just upped and died.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 8: So, you know, there's, putting it callously, there's two job
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 8: opportunities that completely go away. And, you know, and the
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 8: rest of them, the other production designers that I used
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 8: to work with, they don't get hired anymore because they're
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 8: either close to retirement or they just, people don't want
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 8: to hire them anymore because they're too expensive or too.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Unruly or whatever.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 8: And, you know, the new guys that are production designers
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 8: now They don't want to work with me because I
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 8: knew them when they were goofballs.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 7: You'll still call them out on it.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 8: And they know this. And so I wouldn't want to
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 8: hire anyone who knew me back then. So I understand
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 8: how that goes. I mean, I've been lucky to work
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: with a couple of them and we get along fine.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 8: But it's a funny tightrope, man.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: And you're constantly.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 8: Having to meet new people and introduce yourself, you know,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 8: from scratch.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 7: Which is.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Mind-boggling, but it's always.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 8: Been a roller coaster in terms of being able to
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 8: get jobs and keep jobs and keep the ball rolling.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: That's crazy. Well, I guess. What is it that you're
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 7: working on? Or put the word out now. Where to
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 7: find you?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Send word now.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 8: You can find me at www.beta5.com. That's my professional.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Site.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 7: And I'm reachable by there. We can put that link
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 7: in the show notes.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 9: Lovely.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 7: Go hire him.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 8: I just basically have finished the working most of this
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 8: year on the third season of Westworld, which is a
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 8: lot of fun. And I love the people doing that show.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 8: And I had a great time with them last season
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 8: on season two, designing a bunch of the stuff that
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 8: was in it. The brand, you know, mostly all the
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 8: new gizmos and things and the drone hosts that are
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 8: mysteriously underground and in the, in the West world park.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 8: And what are they doing there?
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 8: You'll have to watch season two.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: Um, but, uh, and season.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 8: Three takes it in a whole new world. So it'll be,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 8: it'll be fascinating to see how this evolves, but I
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 8: got to do some fun stuff this season too.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: And, um, I'm sort of.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 8: Concurrently, uh, working on a new show that has to
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 8: remain nameless, but let's.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 7: Just say that is also part of the process.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 8: It is also part of the process, but let's just
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 8: say that it has a familiar face in it. That
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  Speaker 8: people will recognize. But I can't say anything more than that.
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  Speaker 7: That helps sell it really well. Get yourself a familiar face.
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  Speaker 7: Or a really talented artist. So, once again, we'll put
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  Speaker 7: the link in there. People need to come give you
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  Speaker 7: more work.
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  Speaker 9: Lovely.
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  Speaker 7: All right. Well, thank you for being here with us.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you so much. This has been fun. And sharing
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  Speaker 7: some of these stories, man.
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  Speaker 8: I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 7: All right. We are rounding out another episode here at
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  Speaker 7: the old Wonderfest, Misty. Having fun?
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  Speaker 4: I did have fun.
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  Speaker 7: Looking at stuff. Seeing people. A lot of people. More
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  Speaker 7: people than we're used to.
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  Speaker 4: I don't like that part.
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  Speaker 7: But again, people love Wonderfest. They all showed up. That's
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  Speaker 7: good for Wonderfest. Every year, yeah. They keep getting more
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  Speaker 7: and more people. So be one of those people. Go
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  Speaker 7: to wonderfest.com and start planning your trip for next year. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 7: that about does it. We will return next time. Same
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  Speaker 7: geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 9: Faintly I'll go To take.
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  Speaker 14: This Hang it on.
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  Speaker 16: Soon I'll come around Lost and never found Waiting for
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  Speaker 16: my words.
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  Speaker 14: Seen but never heard.
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  Speaker 9: Buried underground.
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  Speaker 11: But I'll.
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  Speaker 14: Keep coming.
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  Speaker 11: Guitar solo White clothes.
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  Speaker 15: Years old Make your heart proud Soon I'll come around
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  Speaker 15: Lost and never found Waiting for my.
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  Speaker 2: Words Seen but never heard Buried underground But I'll keep
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  Speaker 2: coming Yeah, I'll keep coming Yeah, I'll keep coming Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'll keep coming Yeah, I'll keep coming Yeah, I'll keep
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  Speaker 2: coming Yeah, I'll keep coming.
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  Speaker 11: I'll be coming I'll be coming I'll be coming Thank you.
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  Speaker 11: I'll be coming home.
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  Speaker 9: Excellent.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks.
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