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Pete Hutchins Describes Climb From Coaching to Athletic Director at Western Reserve Academy · Hoop Industry Podcast

• Pete Hutchins: What's up guys? Welcome into another edition of Hoop Industry. First one of July. And we've got a very special guest here alongside myself and Tyler Neal. We have Pete Hutchins from Western Reserve. So glad to have him on this latest episode of Hoop Industry. And guys, just kind of wanted to get into your relationship before we get this all started and figure out what Pete's done, his background, and his experience in this. So go ahead and tell him how everybody that you know each other and how that what came about. No, it's actually a a a a funny funny story. You know, when when I got out of coaching and we started running the show, it would have been what, the fall of twenty twenty two, if I'm not mistaken, it's been a blur. But, you know, we were just looking for A gym, right? A gym, a place to to to start running our programs and and do some training and and all those things out of and you know, believe it or not, it it is hard. That it's hard to get into gyms. it's just hard, you know, like the pe a lot of people need for various things and there's only so many places that are willing to to rent them out and and bring in outside people and so Western Reserve Academy, obviously if you've ever been there, beautiful facility. they have five really good basketball courts under one roof, which is also rare anywhere. And so, you know, I email Matt Garvey, who is now the head coach at Western Reserve, who we also have a great relationship with. And they were willing to to rent them out to us you know, in a consistent fashion. And so, you know, we start going in there and we're in their facility. Really didn't know those guys. you know, just kind of coaching in the area since twenty thirteen, you know, for a while it was like, you know, Western Reserves this great place and this great academic place and weren't really known for for great basketball teams or players. And so, you know, we start using the facility and kind of like, you know. no, noticing the the athletes that are in the gym when they're practicing and you know obviously basketball people kind of recognize good basketball when you see it, not only just just the the stature of the players, but, you know, things like how the ball moves and and you know, you just it was like, man, th there's some good players in here and just being oblivious over the last the previous years, like, you know, they had turned that thing into a really a really good program with with you know handful of division one players every year, not just basketball but, you know, lacrosse and and and wrestling and and women's basketball. And so, you know, it just kinda blossomed from there. I'd pop into practice and watch and, you know, start getting to know Coach Hutch. At the time was still coaching the men's team, get to know Coach Garvey and one thing led to another. I start helping with the team on the player development side of things and and here we are, you know, four four ish years later We have a great relationship and partnership with with with Western Reserve and that's kinda how it how it blossomed, really. How would you say that your relationship kinda started and where it's at now with Ty? And obviously, as you said, we're here we're on the show doing a podcast here, so four years has gotta be gotta be solid. Yeah, I mean Tyler's been a huge help to us. And I think one part that Tyler left out was it when he wanted to rent the space and Matt is we're really fortunate and like something I can talk about is alignment, but Matt is the he runs our facilities, so he does rentals and those kinds of things. So when we got talking about whether we were gonna partner or you know, have run the show in our gym, I did go to Tyler and I said, Hey, you know, we'll make this happen at the right price if if you wanna help us out because I I gotta I think I can read people well and I and I got the sense that he's just a great person and certainly a great coach. So let's just go into your background overall. Let's let's go from the beginning here. Talking about your coaching experience, how you ended up at Western Reserves, any stories that you'd like to share, 'cause I I feel like that would be really interesting to to hear and to to find out because that's the best part about basketball and about sports really is just like the beginning and then finding out how you got to where you are. Yeah, I mean I I think for for anybody listening that doesn't really know boarding school or that industry, I was a public school kid, my pub my parents are public school teachers, and I just had the opportunity to go to to the school, New Hampton School, for two years and and play with like very good players. I mean, we played with one that you know played a national championship in Indiana, Rashad McCantz was a lottery pick, won a national championship, West Wes Miller, who's now the head coach at Charlotte. You know, guys who were all league players at Lafayette and and Winthrop, et cetera. So played with really good players and and Todd Townsend actually put in that final four team with Dwayne Wade. So I was exposed to this prep school basketball thing and and I was like, my gosh, this is this is the coolest job ever. And at the time the AD was the basketball coach and I was like, He has the coolest job. I went to college, walked on division one, ended up playing division three, and totally was thinking I'll take one more year of eligibility and go to grad school. And And I got this call to go back to New Hampton and coach like the B team, which is the regular high school team. I did that for a year, went to Williams College, worked for Dave Paulson for a year. they were coming off like a pretty incredible run, national championships and final fours. and then I got the call to go back to New Hampton and take over the program because the there was new leadership at the school and they said that Jamie Arsenal at the time who was the coach and the AD couldn't do both. So I did that for nine years and just had a blast. I I didn't know what I was doing, but I I you know tried to do what I thought was right and we ended up developing some really good players. and you know including Noah Vonleigh was a lottery pick. Zach August went to back to back elite eights at Notre Dame. the year I was a B team coach and Tyler's gotten to know him Brady Morningstar who won a national championship at Kansas. he was there. So I have a a lot of fond memories over that time. And then I just you know I I I never said I definitively want to be a college basketball coach, but I I you know I I did want people to see the hard work I had put in and so when that opportunity came I went to I took the job at Dartmouth. I was there for three years, was the associate coach, and then I went back to work with Dave Paulson, so I was with him at Williams at George Mason. So that's that's the trajectory, and then I got the call to come here. And Western Reserve is just an incredible place. I initially turned the job down and was encouraged to come see it and when I did I was, you know, blown away. And you know, it was just it was at that point it was just kinda figuring out what they were gonna allow us to do because they they wanted to become good at sports. So just making sure that we were on the same page with that. They were able to go to coming, huh? Yeah, yeah. It was It it fits my it's a good fit for me though. So Okay. So for just you guys as coaches, as you grow into that space and as you learn about how to connect with players, how to connect with people around the players, just like what are the things that you learn as you get more experience? And what are the most important things I guess that you take from that? You know, I I w I what I said when what I meant when I I didn't know what I was doing. I know I really cared about the kids. I grew up in an environment, I had some great mentors, parents who were educators, so I had strong conviction about doing whatever I could for the kids. And at the time like I didn't know what that meant, right? But Stephen Covey came out with a book I think in October, it's called The Speed of Trust. And what what it tells you is what, you know, I learned during that time, which is you developed trust by you know by being skilled by being good at what you're doing and with your character you know so I think that there's so much that goes into developing those relationships with kids and getting them to play hard and do the things that you need to do need them to do all with this like for me this longer lens of like preparing them for life. So I think for me, you know, building that trust and just putting the work in. I had a rule that if you text me before ten A. I'd meet you at six AM in the gym to to work. And so there was a kid I had Tyler Leiden that played in the final four at Syracuse. You know, Tyler was texting me at nine thirty every single night and so, you know, he had me up and in the gym with him. Yeah, no, along the same lines, you know, two things I think one, it's interesting how like you've heard his background where worked his way up to a high level of basketball. You know, he was a Division I associate head coach. Same thing with me. I was a played Division III basketball, went to a small high school, found myself in the NBA, in an NBA facility for six years. And then, you know, you you have all these elaborate things and and you learn all these, you know get introduced to all these bells and whistles, whether it's this way of training or this this intricate pick and roll coverage or this offense and you know the the more I do this, coach, run a basketball business, you know, what you always come back to is the the simple things that you know he mentioned relationships, right? networking and and just just yeah, that trust. And so not only as a coach but you know like it's the same thing we're doing as business like we just we we we just want to make sure that the people that come here have a great time feel like they're improving and feel a part of a family and and and i think that's that's why both entities are have been successful as far as your role goes at WRA just like how does that differ from things that you've done in the past like what is different about what you do now compared to what you were doing maybe before you got back here in Hudson? Yeah I mean honestly my as a basketball coach it's really all I cared about. Like I just lived to recruit, and try to help our team be very competitive. if people know prep school basketball, Brewster Academy was in our league and always super talented. And so, you know I woke up every morning, whether it was at two AM or six A.M., thinking about how can we be competitive with Brewster. So that was my whole life. And now it's more, you know, how can I help coaches? That's the part of the job that's the the most fun. how do we help them understand how to build culture within their teams? how do we have some through lines within the athletic department from team to team where you know, we we stand for something and that we're educating kids and coaching kids a certain way. So that's a lot of it. and then that's the fun part. So the rest of it and the and the relationships that come through that, but the rest of it is is normal athletic director stuff. How how much has the high school game changed? I know prep school and public school is a lot different, but just in terms of just the last even ten years in in in terms of Just the way that the operations work and there's there's clearly rule changes and there's NIL stuff that happens, like what's the biggest differences you think as as things have gone along here? I mean, I I think the the landscape has changed significantly because the we've we've seen a lot of these really good basketball schools pop up that that don't have you know, the the history or the tradition of a traditional boarding school. And so specifically in New England, you know, the the market has It's no New England used to be very saturated, right? That's where the players went. And there were postgrads and kids were older and and you know, there's just it was just entirely different. So now we have like the EYBL and during the high school season and I think, you know, naturally really good players are are looking at schools like that. So I think that's changed. How you get the players and then how you keep the players is different with the money that's now involved. You know, we lost a kid Nico Bundalo, who ended up being a McDonald's all American. but we were able to keep Anthony Thompson who who just finished his senior year in his Ohio State. So I think that's been a big part of it. you know, th those that's probably the biggest piece for me that I've noticed when you talk about injuries industry specific about prep school. No, I would agree. I I think the you know things that have changed the most is is the I guess you would call it the business side of it, right? And and the amount of money that moves differently compared to ten years ago, and how it impacts where kids go, how long they stay. And and not only high school but obviously college, right? 'Cause you see most of the good players are at one place and then they move. And you're dealing with agents. I mean in the past it was talking to a parent and and maybe an AU coach. Yeah. No, so I think the major changes I think you can talk about you know, th how much the game itself has changed and and you know Thirty, forty years ago with the three point line, and now, you know, you go through the the Warriors of the 2014s through the 202s and how many three point shots and the Houston Rockets, no mid range, you know, you can talk about that, but I think the game always kinda comes back and and it's like nature correcting itself where you see you know, look at the last couple of champions, right? You know, the the the the Thunder. Right, back to back MVP. What's his bread and butter? It's getting to that mid range. Jalen Brunson is a get to spots kind of guy. So I think the game is always gonna go through cycles, but the major changes, as he said, are just you know, on the business side really. Yep. I love that we're talking about this too, because th a few years back he hit me up, he's like, dude, there are like so many D one players coming from what's the reserve and this this needs to be talked about and this needs to be heard. What's the challenge of kind of building a following at a prep school that it doesn't necessarily have talent from around here that you bring around from from all over the the world, the country to come in and and try and get that kind of exposure? I mean, I I think the first thing that we are so fortunate to to have is alignment. So our head of school And again, when I took the job it was do you really you know, does the school really want to do this? And and all that is to me is is the gym gonna be open all the time? I can w are we going to have the resources and I'm not just talking about the money, but the people, the gym time, to give kids the experience that they want? Because I I the last thing I would ever want to do is recruit a kid, have them come there and then not be what I what I sold them on and and that's really important to me. So we have alignment in the sense that Our head of school and our board of trustees have supported building these athletic programs. And it's not just basketball. I mean, our our lacrosse team, our men's lacrosse team, boys lacrosse team finished number one in the country this year in two out of three polls. and they churn out, you know, the it's at least twenty division one players a year, you know, to go on and play college lacrosse. So for me a big part of it was having the alignment. So that challenge was kind of, you know, already taken care of for me. And then I think it's the people. we've got just unbelievable people in the program. And you know, Tyler might be there two days a week. he might be there one day. He doesn't necessarily travel with the team, but you know, people that are just really committed to being coaches and helping kids and that are knowledgeable and don't really have an agenda. I think it was funny because when Tyler first came on board, there were a lot of AAU coaches or maybe agents and people calling thinking that like, you know, Tyler's intention was to get his hooks into, you know, some of our better players. And that's proved to be the farthest thing from the truth. So you know I we we have not had a lot of barriers other than the fact that the that the school did not have a strong tradition in athletics. It it just did not. It had facilities. We've built, we've improved the facilities. but prior to me getting there, I mean we had had one Division I player in the last ten years and he actually Peter Barber played at Columbia when I was an assistant at Dartmouth. But so the change was was quick. And I think I think you know, my experience in the profession, over a long period of time people knew me, so you know, for us it was just getting going. Like we got triatri was a huge deal, which was you know, Red Autry's son is gonna be a senior now at Wisconsin, but s did three years at at George Washington. And then once you get one guy, I mean you can keep getting, you know, you just keep building the roster. And I think good players want to play with good players. And so, you know, that was once we were able to to start getting kids in the door, they could play at a certain level, it it really helped. You sparked my interest there. You're talking about your lacrosse program. Just how coming from the basketball background that you do, how do you give the proper amount of attention to the other sports in that same fashion and try not to dig too far into one? I mean I think we have an elite coach. Dylan Sheridan that was he was an assistant at Princeton, he was an assistant at Denver. He started the Cleveland State program and then he was the offensive coordinator before coming to us. And he's a reserve grad. So and he at Ohio State. So he came from Ohio State to us and You know, I I don't know if there's anyone better. I mean, his culture within the team. so really what it took was just it took years for me to develop a relationship with him because something that I really appreciate is he's always pushing and wanting more and needing more, but he was able to articulate that and and now he's actually working in my department and we're on the same page. So once you get the right leadership and I think all these programs, this business, you know, Tyler's business, it takes on the face of of whoever's leading that program and and I think I think Dylan and the lacrosse program is a good example of that. We have just an incredible educator and our women's coach, Thomas Adams Wall, who's just done an unbelievable job, and and there's nobody that I know of who's better for kids than Thomas. And so he just pours himself into it. He's coached AAU, he's done whatever it takes, he's forged relationships, developed relationships with, you know, international consultants. so you know, I just become a resource for them, and and if they can justify that It's gonna help the kids and they're gonna put the work into it. I'm I'm gonna do whatever I can to support You said the word relationships. We've talked about that I think on every single podcast that we've done to this point. Just how would you describe the importance of of networking and not only building relationships but maintaining those relationships and and keeping them strong even after you're it's not transactional basically is what what I'm getting at. You wanna go with that, Ty? Yeah, I I Whenever I'm asked by by younger folks that are looking to, you know, how'd you get into coaching in college basketball? How were you able to get into the G League and the NBA and what advice do you have? you know my biggest thing, point one A in all caps, all bold is is network. And it's the most important thing. a you know, even just listen to our conversation so far, like all the places that he's been, the people that he's worked with in, you know, let's just say bat in the in the hoop industry in basketball, whether it's players, coaches, what have you, and and, you know, now we have our relationship and our network and those combine and it's like, hey, you know, we can get things done and you can help people and and your people can help my people and vice versa and It's the most important thing, you know, network. Put yourself out there, introduce yourself, go places. if you're younger and trying to break in, you know, go work a go work for free. Go work a week a camp for a few days for free. Get to know somebody, you know. I think it's like when you when you just wanna invest in people and get to know them and understand and learn from them, like that's where things blossom, rather than, Hey, I need a job in a few weeks, hi, I'm Tyler, you know, like no. No. That's Yeah. That's not, you know. I don't I don't want to get too far away from you know the basketball piece, but somebody said something today that, you know, 20 years ago we took jobs and you signed a loyalty contract and and now we're we're signing lifestyle contracts. And I think you know my first job I I was paid sixteen thousand dollars when I was at Williams, I made six thousand dollars. it just didn't matter. And I think, you know, I I reached out to two people in the NBA today because one of my good friends is trying to break into that space. and just said, hey, would you have a conversation? and the answer was absolutely yes. You know, so Kyle Green is the head coach at Northern Iowa and and there's we have so many examples of this, but he just got the job after being in Northern Iowa for a long time, but most recently Iowa State and You know, I I just reached out and say, Hey, can we connect? I'd love to hear about how the roster's going and that started when we had built a relationship back when I was at New Hampton and he helped me get one or two players. But we just stay in touch and I think you know, people can view that side of the the business as you know, people looking out for themselves. But I I think if you can do it an authentic way, you can be vulnerable with people, be yourself and You know, I d I just think that it's it's the magical part of what we do. I think it's what we're doing with kids. And You know, that's that part of it means a lot to me. Yeah, you can see through you can see right through crap. You can see right through BS. You you'll know if someone's genuine and if they're a genuine article, right? It's I'm going to Summer League in a few days. And that's where I think that I really took off in terms of networking, just 'cause it wasn't just the stuff being in the building and just talking to people in the hallways. It was the hey, let's go to this mixer, hey, let's get a dinner here, you know, like and then it's just opens up a world of possibilities and these are people Not just from that area or in just NBA. It's literally the entire world of basketball. And it's it's one of my favorite events to go to. I'm so excited to go back again. It'll be my eighth or ninth time now at this point, crazy enough. but that's that's really how it starts. And then the people you meet out there, or at the All-Star Game, or at the the Combine, you end up seeing in the building at Cleveland because they're f they're with an away team or they're with the league and they're just in for a couple days. Like that's the s type the type of stuff that I try to stress to, as you would say, the younger generation, us being in our mid thirties now. But it it is. It's it's a really important tool and I think a lot of people if if you invest time into them and you mean it and you're not just trying to get something out of them, that's when you're gonna get the best result. Let's put it this way, four years ago We didn't know each other, no clue who each other were. we're trying to get into their gym. Brian Walsh, who you know from Akron, right? Who I know from Akron worked with was in my wedding. Yep. Right. I tell Brian, hey, call Brian knows you, been recruiting your players for years. Call Coach Hutch and tell him I'm not a psycho. We want to use their gym. Boom, boom. Right. You know, he trusts Brian. Right. Brian's a good friend of mine. You what mean? And that's the power of networking. Just even little things like that, you know, helping people, helping people and and and yeah. My coaches think I'm crazy because I used to I used to have a list of, you know, if there were 25 coaches in college basketball when I was a prep school coach that I really had relationships with, that I thought I really had relationships with. and I half of them I was text them the day of the game and say hey good luck and then if they won or if it was a close game maybe I'd follow up but then there was another half that I would follow up and say hey I I saw you had a great win. But that that to me was you know one I was interested maybe in being a college coach but back then I was getting players from these programs and so I just wanted to be at the top of their mind. And you know I think we did a good job of developing players and they went to college and they were ready to play and we were about the right things, I hope and and I I think that's a big part Of it too. just you know, just time, history, you know. Most definitely. Speaking of Be Walsh in Ohio State, let's get to Ant. yeah. Right? You've worked with him extensively. Obviously, you've known Anthony Thompson for a long time. Just what stands out about him? Why is he so highly ranked in the nation? What's gonna make him really good with the Buckeyes? Like all that stuff, the details that you guys know about Anthony Thompson. Well, I I'll let Tyler talk about the basketball piece, but I I think behind the scenes what people don't know about Anthony is that he is I said to someone today, if if he wasn't this basketball player, he would be an elite student, you know, like he's intellectually curious, he's thoughtful, super smart, and you know, he's really committed to what he's doing. He's really committed to basketball. He's not somebody who's interested in in doing things socially on the weekends. You know, for him it was pretty much basketball, school and family. Yeah, I would agree. I think I think the in terms of on the court skill, it's it's not hard to to pick out. I mean, I mean in terms of like, you know, he's one of those guys that when you're working with him on the court, I always say, you know, it's like it's like driving certain cars, right? You know, like like personally, you know, I'm probably like a Honda Civic, right? Like just just okay, your run of the mill, average, like get you from putting Get you where you need to be. You know, Anthony Thompson's like a like a Lamborghini, right? Just like when you're working with him, it's fun because you you you can get as creative as you want. and he's just an unbelievable like shot maker and and skill. It's just and how big he is and long he is, you know, and so but yeah, I think he's gonna be successful for for the not only his skill but the things that he said and you know it's I mean h this the His his his possibilities are unlimited, you know, and it's is it's as much as he wants to dig in and and he has he has one elite I mean he has one superpower and that he's an incredible shooter. Yeah. and then you know what I would also just add is Rashad McCans is the first player I've ever seen do this, but you could just show Rashad something and then he could do it in a workout and then next thing you know he was applying it in the game. Yeah. And you know, Anthony has that as well. And you don't see that. Like you just don't see that. It's even really, really good players, like it takes a week, two weeks to start applying things. So they've he just does things that you just rarely see. and, you know, he's been here we've been seeing him since he was fourteen years old. So when you see that at such a young age, it's just like, okay, like there's something special here. So excited for him. I think he's gonna do great things at Ohio State and in the Big Ten and can't wait to watch him this year. How has he grown in that time though? Like over the years, like what has he developed to be ready for that level in the D1, in the Big Ten? What what's what's really stood out to you about how he's improved over those years? I think one of the biggest things is like, and give, you know, Dr. Jack Lemon credit is his, I remember his first year planning the I think it's a such a big adjustment first and foremost. You know. playing in a you know at a at a public high school there's a lot of good ones, high level basketball. But you know, you you play at a prep school like Western Reserve and the the competition that you play against. It's a it's an adjustment. And it's it's like going to college, right? It's an adjustment. It's just a higher level of physicality. And so I remember his first year here, you know, like like as successful as he was, just be you know getting bumped off spots and and and adjusting to that level of physicality. So the biggest adjustment and improvement I saw from year one to year two was his body and his strength and being prepared to play at with more physicality and take on because every game he played here, right, like he had a target on his back. Mm-hmm. Hey, this guy's highly ranked, he's a McDonalds all American. Like like dudes were trying to prove a point when they played against him and he probably got he never got calls Right, and that's fine. But so he had to play through a lot of those things. And so I think the biggest thing was like from year one to year two. transitioning his body to be able to play through those things and and and take the the pounding that he did as a guy with a target on his back. I would I would imagine that he is definitely the youngest McDonald's all American in this class. I mean he's gotta be clever he's a year younger than almost everyone in his class. So I I think we need to factor that into it. I mean he in prep school, right, the these kids are older. Sometimes you get fifth year kids in these programs. So at sixteen he was playing against eighteen, nineteen year old and I think that really helped him. but you know it it'll be interesting to see how it plays out. But his talent is incredible, his character is incredible. So I think you know, that's a tough that's a a very good combination of traits to have. Most definitely. Any fun coaching stories that you'd like to share that come top of the mind because you've just dropped a ton of names throughout this podcast, and there's gotta be something that sticks out to you from whether it was during your playing days to going to do different schools and doing different things. Like, is there anything that sticks out to you that that would be a funny podcast story to you? I don't know. I mean, I'm dating myself, but the Zach August was a player that that I had that He's still playing professionally. and he and I developed a really strong relationship. A lot of that was because I was you know, he needed rides places, and and so we spent a lot of time in the car, but we spent a lot of time in the gym. But I think something I've learned is that you know, we would butt heads a lot and I would have him in my office and I would be on him about needing to play harder or you know, y you say you want to be great, but what does that actually look like and what is the work that goes into it? And I'm not concerned with your ranking, I'm concerned with, you know, your development. and something that I learned that I laugh at now is that we would have these weekly conversations in which I would leave the room every single time and I would think Okay, we gotta figure it out, you know. And and looking back, we didn't have it figured out and it just that happened over time, right? And he's calling me his freshman year at Notre Dame complaining about playing time and I had to remind him that you know, Anthony Solomon and Mike Bray said, Well, you're not gonna play this is what we do. We play older guys and you're gonna play into this role. And he was still calling me his senior year when, you know, they ended up going to the Elite Eight and he they weren't allowed letting him shoot threes. but he goes on to have this incredible career and and has done really well for himself. So that's one that I laugh at, but it's also this story about, you know, how hard it is to to work with kids and and it's so rewarding. But you know, it's a process, right? Just even getting them to understand what it takes to be great, is something that we have to to really work with them on. Because I think they walk off an AAU court and they'll I scored, you know, X number of points and and they just think that's gonna happen wherever they go. And that's harder to do now because you don't have guys for multiple years now. You have for the most part for one. You know. So it's it'll be interesting it's interesting to see how you know, that affects guys in the long term because that right there, what you just heard is like w to me it was one is and was one of the most valuable things about playing in college is is that that growth that you see obviously in your play but also as a person and and a man, you know. So interesting. Anything from your four or five years of knowing each other that that you would like to share about Pete? I mean That's why we're here. This is what podcasts are for. Yeah, I think I think again the biggest thing like I told you like the reason that, you know, we kinda hit it off and not only him and I but just our organization and and the athletic department at Western Reserve and Western Reserve Academy as a whole is just like, you know, you walk onto campus, you walk in the gym and you just kinda feel you just feel it. The culture and, you know, like, you know, my dad was a you know, long time college coach and head coach and he retired and he's still coaching as an assistant and you know when he comes to visit that was like the first thing he said is like man this is an impressive place. Not only you look around and it's beautiful, but the people, right? You can just feel it. And the the the staff, the the the leaders are impressive, right? And the kids are impressive too, you know, and that's that's something that, you know, I've always said is is how impressive everybody is and you just feel it right and and you understand like the kids and the students that go there like they have a they have real like like days you know between their class and it's not you know it's it's a real school right like they're doing impressive things and and the the classes that they take and the workload that they take on and then they go to their practice and their athletics and you know it's a it's a it's a well-oiled machine so I think that's been the the coolest part about our relationship is just being able to be part of that and and that Culture. It's gotta be great too. You're only five miles down the road from it. Less than that. Yeah, I can be there in four minutes. So that's the beauty of it. It is. It's a beautiful campus. Pete, thanks so much for coming on. Ty, before we get out of here, probably some stuff we want to plug because Naquan Tomlin summer camp's coming up here. I think it's the beginning of August. We can get the details out on that too before we get out. Yeah, we're doing our summer edition of Naquan Tomlin basketball camp, Cleveland Cavalier. And be sure to You'll watch him as he plays a few games for the Cavs in Summer League here this week. But the camp is August 2nd. It's up at the sports plant. They got three great courts up there and open to ages or grades three through eight. Autographs, pictures. You can meet Naquan. A lot of skill work, competitions, games. So it'll be a good time. all the sign-up information's on our social media links. So check that out, and we're looking forward to that. You heard the man, Pete. Thanks so much. Much man. Appreciate you having appreciate you coming on to the show. I will see you guys when I get back from Las Vegas. I'm excited. Can't wait to get out there. But until then, guys, thank you so much for listening. Have a good one, and we'll catch you on the next episode of Hoop Industry.