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Aussie TikTok Snark's Dramatic Shutdown · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, we unpack
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  Speaker 1: the closure of a popular Reddit thread dedicated to snarking
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  Speaker 1: on Aussie TikTokers, Nikki Westcott's surprising baby shower location and
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  Speaker 1: Tully Smythe's shock pregnancy news. But first, 2016 is back
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  Speaker 1: in a big way. Across social media, people are posting
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  Speaker 1: throwbacks to what they were doing a decade ago. It's
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  Speaker 1: part of a new trend dubbed 2026 is the new 2016.
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  Speaker 1: I've been really enjoying seeing these posts popping up, but
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  Speaker 1: then I've also had a bit of whiplash. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: hang on, how come I was 26 then and still
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  Speaker 1: feel 26 now? Like it literally feels like yesterday. The
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  Speaker 1: crazy thing is 2016 seemed like such a pivotal year
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  Speaker 1: for so many people. Kim Kardashian was saying she thinks
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  Speaker 1: that she had the most dramatic 2016, but I actually
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  Speaker 1: think Sophie and I did. I mean, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if we could rival Kim Kardashian's, but yeah, 2016 was
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  Speaker 1: a huge year for us. We lost our jobs at
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  Speaker 1: Channel 7 in some pretty dramatic circumstances, ended up suing
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  Speaker 1: the station. I also started my first job in PR
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  Speaker 1: and also met my husband that year. What were you
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  Speaker 1: doing in 2016, Kate? I was working at the Adelaide Thunderbirds. See,
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  Speaker 1: for me, 2017 was more of a big year because
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  Speaker 1: that's when I met my husband and had my, I'd say,
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  Speaker 1: dream job at Adelaide 36. I had went on lots
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  Speaker 1: of away trips. It was a really cool time. But
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  Speaker 1: I remember you saying that 2017 was your peak as
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  Speaker 1: in how you looked. I know. It's a bit depressing
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  Speaker 1: now that that was nearly 10 years ago. But in
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  Speaker 1: terms of appearance, it is interesting seeing all the influencers
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  Speaker 1: doing their throwback. We had a post where we threw
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  Speaker 1: back to a bunch of influencers from 2016 and Sharni
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  Speaker 1: Grumman and Michael Finch actually ended up commenting on it,
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  Speaker 1: which I found quite iconic. But I was shocked at
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  Speaker 1: how different some of them looked. People were like, can
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  Speaker 1: you actually add a caption to say who they are?
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm not sure. What really stood out to me
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  Speaker 1: is that 2016 had a real style when people were
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  Speaker 1: posting on social media. The colors seemed to be really oversaturated.
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  Speaker 1: There were a lot of orange and pink tones in there.
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  Speaker 1: There was a lot of bright white going on as well.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of over editing. We need to share photos
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  Speaker 1: of us from 2016 because Sophie, I feel like you
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  Speaker 1: were a real culprit for turning white up because some
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  Speaker 1: of like in some photos, you look like you should
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  Speaker 1: be in Geordie Shore. Your tan is that orange and
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  Speaker 1: your teeth are that white. Can I defend myself though?
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  Speaker 1: I touched on the fact that I was working at
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  Speaker 1: a PR firm and it was quite a fashionable PR
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  Speaker 1: firm where we held a lot of events and we
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  Speaker 1: did a lot of social media for big clients. And
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  Speaker 1: we were always told to sharpen all of the photos,
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  Speaker 1: make everything bright, white, everything oversaturated. But that was the
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  Speaker 1: look back then. That's what everyone was doing. Probably because
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  Speaker 1: our phones were so crap that we didn't actually have
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  Speaker 1: like really sharp photos. It is a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: jump scare when you go back and you're like, I
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  Speaker 1: can't believe I posted this thinking that it looked normal.
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  Speaker 1: It was funny because I had a task of going
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  Speaker 1: back through Steph Clare Smith's photos to pick out the
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  Speaker 1: iconic 2016 ones. And what really stood out to me
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  Speaker 1: was how back then it was actually cool to go
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  Speaker 1: to the races. So there were so many photos of
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  Speaker 1: her and Laura Henshaw at the races. She was a
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  Speaker 1: racing ambassador. And it's funny to think 10 years on,
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  Speaker 1: that is just a no-go for Steph and other influencers.
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  Speaker 1: I saw someone write in our comment section, God, Laura
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  Speaker 1: Henshaw wouldn't be seen dead at the races now. It's
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  Speaker 1: pretty wild because the searches on TikTok for the term
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  Speaker 1: 2016 have surged by 452%. And there's also a new
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  Speaker 1: filter where it's the 2016 filter that you can put
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  Speaker 1: on things. Oh, it's all over my For You page
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  Speaker 1: and I've been loving it. I saw James Charles did
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  Speaker 1: a makeup tutorial throwback to 2016 where he did the
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  Speaker 1: looks that you would wear then. And it was so funny.
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  Speaker 1: It was like that big pop of like champagne highlighter. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And baking under the eyes. Of course, they had to
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  Speaker 1: have tart shape tape. I was like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: so many people our age would still do their makeup
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  Speaker 1: like that. That's what made me feel sad because I
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  Speaker 1: reflected and they were like, oh yeah, all the full
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  Speaker 1: coverage foundation and the heavy iron. I was like, holy fuck,
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  Speaker 1: I've been frozen in 2016 because again, that was probably
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  Speaker 1: my prime because you get stuck in whatever you were
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  Speaker 1: doing in your mid twenties. You just continue doing it.
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  Speaker 1: The thing I'm pissed off about is I recently threw
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  Speaker 1: out a lot of my clothes from 2016. And now
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  Speaker 1: if you can believe it, Gen Z are trying to
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  Speaker 1: revive the 2016 fashion. So Grazia wrote a piece on
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  Speaker 1: this phenomenon explaining it's Gen Zers who were too young
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  Speaker 1: to experience 2016 fashion for the first time who were
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  Speaker 1: bringing it back. This was the year of the skinny jean.
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  Speaker 1: Also the micro bag, chokers if you can believe it.
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  Speaker 1: Also dark red lipstick, flannelettes and very chunky boots. Also
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  Speaker 1: a lot of wedges. I remember wearing wedges on my
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  Speaker 1: first date with Brandon. Yeah, Kukai did a throwback to
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  Speaker 1: all their 2016 milestone pieces and they had this iconic
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  Speaker 1: pair of wedges and everyone's like, please bring them back.
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  Speaker 1: There was also this dress that continuously sold out. It
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  Speaker 1: was kind of like a latte color with white splodges
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  Speaker 1: on it. I'm feeling very smug because I went through
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  Speaker 1: my dresses and I have quite a few that have
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  Speaker 1: that choker kind of built into them. And I was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I can't throw it out. So maybe I can get
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  Speaker 1: another wear out. What about the green jackets? Yeah. The
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  Speaker 1: military jackets are coming back as well. The thing is,
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  Speaker 1: I just threw one out. I kept mine in this,
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  Speaker 1: in this article though, they said that you have to
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  Speaker 1: think Coachella energy minus the chaos. So it says, so
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  Speaker 1: statement necklaces are, that are Saint Laurent rather than Neo Zara.
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  Speaker 1: A dark lip, not a Kylie King navy, but more
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  Speaker 1: of a grown-up burgundy. It's smarter and cleaner. So that
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  Speaker 1: just sounds more expensive to me. It's like, oh, we
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  Speaker 1: have to have a statement necklace, but it has to
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  Speaker 1: be YSL. Like, what? Well, also, apparently, it doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: that we're going to see the skinny jean coming back,
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  Speaker 1: but it's going to be... more of a straight leg
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  Speaker 1: or flared leg pant. We're not going to be seeing
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  Speaker 1: the really, really over the top baggy jeans. Isn't that
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  Speaker 1: what we already have? Like everyone's been wearing straight leg
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  Speaker 1: jeans for like five years now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But they're also the very baggy mom jeans been in fashion.
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  Speaker 1: So apparently that's going to be out. I know our
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  Speaker 1: best friend is going to hate that. So it's more
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  Speaker 1: of a refined jean. It's not quite, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's because everyone's realized how much more comfortable non-skinny
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  Speaker 1: jeans are. Like, can you imagine trying to squeeze back
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  Speaker 1: into them? Yuck. You mentioned Kylie Jenner's lip kit, which
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  Speaker 1: actually came out around that time. I still have a
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  Speaker 1: Kylie Jenner original eyeshadow palette and I also have the
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  Speaker 1: Huda Beauty one. You know that one that was quite iconic?
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  Speaker 1: It has like the glittery shade. There's like a magenta one.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, do I throw them out or
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  Speaker 1: do I keep them out? Yeah, they'd be out of date. God,
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  Speaker 1: you'd probably get poisoned by putting on the Kylie lip kit.
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  Speaker 1: Not fair. Not poisoned, but it would be like probably
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  Speaker 1: a lot of bacteria from 10 years ago. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't going to use it. I was just thinking
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  Speaker 1: if I ever had a daughter, like do I keep
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  Speaker 1: it and be like, oh, check this out. Like this
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  Speaker 1: is so iconic. Or are they just not going to care?
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  Speaker 1: They probably won't care.
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  Speaker 3: Now a lot of people are getting too caught up
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  Speaker 3: in the we need to know. And I get it.
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 1: A Reddit thread dedicated to snarking on Australian TikTokers is
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  Speaker 1: the latest casualty in the influencers' war on trolls. The
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  Speaker 1: moderators behind subreddit Aussie TikTok Snark announced they were shutting
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  Speaker 1: down after receiving threats their identities would be revealed by
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  Speaker 1: the influences they snark about. Now, Kate, before we unpack
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  Speaker 1: the drama, can you get listeners up to speed about
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  Speaker 1: what Aussie TikTok Snark is all about? Well, essentially, it's
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  Speaker 1: an online gossip community on Reddit that positioned itself as
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  Speaker 1: a place to discuss Australian TikTokers and hold them to account. However,
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  Speaker 1: it often crossed into harsh criticism. It was pretty common
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  Speaker 1: for anonymous users to call out creators for alleged scams
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  Speaker 1: or hypocritical behavior. And there was also a lot of
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  Speaker 1: commentary around creators' parenting and personal relationships. Another hot topic
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  Speaker 1: was TikTok feuds and drama. So sort of the similar
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  Speaker 1: type of content you would find on Tattoo Life. And influencers,
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  Speaker 1: just like on Tattoo Life, would have their own separate
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  Speaker 1: subreddits under this banner of Aussie TikTok snark. Now, the
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  Speaker 1: thread was often criticized for persistently targeting specific creators, and
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  Speaker 1: there were instances where people were defamed and doxxed. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the thread was created back in November 2022, but it
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  Speaker 1: isn't the first of its kind on Reddit, so the
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  Speaker 1: US and UK have similar snark subreddits. focused on online creators.
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  Speaker 1: Now let's get into the drama. So on the 8th
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  Speaker 1: of January, the moderators of Aussie TikTok snark announced they
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  Speaker 1: were making the thread private and restricting posting due to
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  Speaker 1: personal circumstances. They wrote, we have all had some great
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  Speaker 1: times here with heaps of laughs and some of us
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  Speaker 1: even being privileged enough to make friends. This has been
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  Speaker 1: an incredible ride and most of you have been incredible.
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  Speaker 1: except the ones who broke the rules. Just kidding. They
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  Speaker 1: then went on to thank the people who had supported
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  Speaker 1: the subreddit over the years and said it was an
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  Speaker 1: honor to be part of the community. Now, this news
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  Speaker 1: spread like wildfire and led to speculation that the moderators
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  Speaker 1: had been hit with legal action. A lot of people
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  Speaker 1: actually thought Indy Clinton might be involved in the closure
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  Speaker 1: of the back of her unmasking her trolls with a
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  Speaker 1: PI last year. Confusion then mounted further when Facebook gossip
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  Speaker 1: page Tea Time made their page private just hours later.
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  Speaker 1: I forgot about Tea Time because we all got blocked
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  Speaker 1: from there. I think for sharing some information on the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I told you guys, I was like, they're going to
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  Speaker 1: block us. I was so disappointed. Not for the gossip,
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  Speaker 1: but I just loved reading all these personal stories that
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  Speaker 1: people would put up. So thanks guys. In defense of
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  Speaker 1: Tea Time, it is a rule that you can't take
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  Speaker 1: screenshots or report on information that has been mentioned on
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  Speaker 1: there so we did break the rules can you please
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  Speaker 1: let us back in if you are back operating again
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  Speaker 1: well it's actually still closed they're known for having temporary
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  Speaker 1: closures to moderate pages because they've had issues with influencers
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  Speaker 1: and legal stuff in the past however they're still yet
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  Speaker 1: to resurface so a theory emerged online that potentially the
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  Speaker 1: same people who were behind the reddit thread must be
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  Speaker 1: responsible for tea time as well That is still unproven. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it didn't take long for a group of three influencers
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  Speaker 1: to claim responsibility for the shutdown of Aussie TikTok snark.
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  Speaker 1: Those TikTokers were Tegan DeVille, Kalia Moussa and Sarah Mills,
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  Speaker 1: who unfortunately found themselves at the centre of reoccurring topics
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  Speaker 1: on the Reddit thread. Yeah, so they claimed that they
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  Speaker 1: had uncovered the identities of... the creator and the moderators
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  Speaker 1: of Aussie TikTok snark and threatened to unmask them if
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  Speaker 1: they didn't shut the page down. Now, these women said
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  Speaker 1: it took them years of investigation to discover the real
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  Speaker 1: identity of the owner who goes by the username Popular Room. Now,
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  Speaker 1: for those not familiar with the influencers, let's start with
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  Speaker 1: Tegan DeVille. So her real name is Tegan Maria Pakura Gilmore,
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  Speaker 1: and she has over 250,000 followers on Instagram. She actually
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  Speaker 1: rejects the title of influencer. So instead, she says she
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  Speaker 1: simply calls people out online who are rude to creators
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  Speaker 1: for no reason. I hadn't heard of her before and
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  Speaker 1: I checked out her page and wow, she does not
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  Speaker 1: hold back. And her name might sound familiar because she
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  Speaker 1: was actually in the headlines late last year after it
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  Speaker 1: was revealed that she was facing court on charges of
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  Speaker 1: fraud and money laundering in relation to a cryptocurrency scam
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  Speaker 1: that duped almost $ 3 million out of investors in 2019.
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  Speaker 1: And in November last year, Tegan took accountability for her
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  Speaker 1: actions on TikTok. So she confirmed she would be facing
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  Speaker 1: prison time for her actions. So you can kind of
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  Speaker 1: see maybe why that Reddit thread went out of control
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  Speaker 1: a bit with that one. The other content creator involved
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  Speaker 1: is Kalia Musa, who shares what she calls the unfiltered
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  Speaker 1: reality of motherhood. She has almost 160,000 followers on TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: Then there's Sarah Mills, who has over 380,000 TikTok followers,
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  Speaker 1: and she shares a lot of family style content and
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  Speaker 1: also has a podcast. It's pretty interesting because when the
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  Speaker 1: women essentially said, yep, it was us that managed to
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  Speaker 1: get this Reddit thread shut down, they were not met
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  Speaker 1: with the type of fanfare Indie Clinton was when she
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  Speaker 1: announced that she'd uncovered the identities of her trolls. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: the women were criticized for not publicly unmasking the owners
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  Speaker 1: of the Reddit thread, and they were also forced to
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  Speaker 1: defend themselves against allegations that they were only looking out
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  Speaker 1: for themselves. I can kind of understand where this criticism
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  Speaker 1: is coming from, because if you were one of the
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  Speaker 1: content creators who was affected by this page, you would
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  Speaker 1: feel like you had the right to know who was
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  Speaker 1: behind it as well, particularly if they then want to
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  Speaker 1: initiate their own legal action. It is interesting, though, that
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  Speaker 1: the general public also feel like they have the right
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  Speaker 1: to know because it really doesn't benefit them at all. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think the difference with the Indy Clinton thing was
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  Speaker 1: that these were people that were just trolling her. So
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  Speaker 1: it was sort of her decision whether she wanted to
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  Speaker 1: publicly name and shame them. And also she didn't get
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  Speaker 1: a whole page shut down, which people clearly enjoy going on.
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  Speaker 1: I also think a lot of the backlash has to
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  Speaker 1: do with Teagan's criminal background. As I mentioned earlier, she
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  Speaker 1: is set to be incarcerated this year after pleading guilty
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  Speaker 1: to charges of fraud and money laundering. And I think
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  Speaker 1: some people would probably look at her background and think, well,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps the page served a purpose in holding people like
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  Speaker 1: her to account. On her Instagram story, she wrote, what
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  Speaker 1: people don't understand is I'm going to prison anyway. I
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  Speaker 1: did some horrible shit in 2018 and I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: pay my dues. But most of your posting have a
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  Speaker 1: family and supposed squeaky clean reputation. It was pretty interesting
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  Speaker 1: because then she referenced that her crimes had actually taught
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  Speaker 1: her some of the skills online that allowed her to
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  Speaker 1: uncover the identities of the creators of this Reddit thread.
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  Speaker 1: There were some people who were so interested in finding
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  Speaker 1: out the identities of those behind this page that they
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  Speaker 1: actually ended up doing their own investigation, which resulted in
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  Speaker 1: the wrong people being doxxed. And this reaction led Sarah
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  Speaker 1: Mills to call for calm on her TikTok a few
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  Speaker 1: days after the Reddit threads closure. She said things had
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  Speaker 1: been taken too far and was concerned that the wrong
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  Speaker 1: people were being named and doxxed. She then said this.
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  Speaker 3: We wanted to be strategic about it. Instead of going,
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  Speaker 3: this is who it is and accomplishing nothing, We went
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  Speaker 3: straight to the source and said, the page needs to go.
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  Speaker 3: We were offered to have posts removed about us, but
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  Speaker 3: that wasn't good enough. We wanted the page gone because
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  Speaker 3: there's no fucking point for it. And sure, there'll be
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  Speaker 3: other pages that come back. But for now, every creator
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  Speaker 3: can take a breath. We can relax. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: it will get to the size, the new one of
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  Speaker 3: the last one. And maybe people will think a little
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  Speaker 3: bit harder because even when you're on a completely anonymous
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  Speaker 3: account with no details, you still can be found.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that makes more sense to me why they haven't
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  Speaker 1: named and shamed the owner, because the threat is down anyway.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like they were only just looking out for themselves, like, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just delete ours. Yeah, because what would it have led
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  Speaker 1: on to? These people being named and shamed, then trolled themselves.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, do you guys think as members of the
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  Speaker 1: general public, it's important that we know who is behind
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  Speaker 1: these pages? I actually think it's different in relation to
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  Speaker 1: Tattle Life, because back in June, Sebastian Bond was unmasked
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  Speaker 1: as the owner of of the forum. And he was
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  Speaker 1: successfully sued in a landmark defamation and harassment case. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the reason I think that as the general public, we
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  Speaker 1: have the right to know about who was behind Tattle
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  Speaker 1: Life is because he was making a huge sum of
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  Speaker 1: money off that page through advertising. So he was making
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  Speaker 1: a definitive decision and that was a business for him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so he was making money off it, but the person
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  Speaker 1: that made this Reddit thread isn't. It's actually the platform, Reddit,
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  Speaker 1: that would be making money off advertising. So surely social
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  Speaker 1: media platforms have a responsibility to be moderating what's on
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  Speaker 1: their platform. One of the positives, though, of people being
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  Speaker 1: unmasked like that is the fact that it will most
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  Speaker 1: likely deter a lot of other people from doing it.
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  Speaker 1: Ever since we banned anonymous posting in our Facebook group,
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  Speaker 1: It has been such a positive, even though there have
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  Speaker 1: been less posts. There have been so many less arguments
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  Speaker 1: and disagreements and also nasty commentary put in the group.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty admirable, I think, that these three influencers have
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  Speaker 1: the morality not to want to ruin their trolls' lives.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Indy Clinton also had the option to name
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  Speaker 1: and shame her trolls, but didn't. She, of course, decided
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  Speaker 1: to take the legal route with the worst of them.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: I suppose it's a way to dodge being called a hypocrite, though,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: because you know, their complaint is that they're being trolled
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: and then you go and dox the troll and then
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: everyone trolls them. It's just an ongoing circle. I think, yeah,
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of it is to do with the optics
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: and the knowledge that if you do out someone, you're
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: probably going to get a whole lot of crap thrown
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: back at you as well. I think the best karma
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: those trolls got was having to sweat on it though.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Like with Indy Clinton, it really felt like she was
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: going to name and shame. I mean, how many sleepless
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: nights would those people have had? Yeah. Well, it's pretty
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: interesting because late last week, Tegan DeVille announced to her
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: followers that they had a legal win. So originally the
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: women asked the owner of Aussie TikToks not to delete
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: the thread and all associated posts. However, they were like,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: hang on, if they do that, then we might not
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: be able to provide the receipts the police need to
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: undertake an investigation. So they got in contact with Reddit's
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: legal department who confirmed that they have a backup of
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: all the content that's been posted on their server and
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: as well as the email addresses and IP addresses of
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: the so-called anonymous users who posted them. Surely then Reddit
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: has some responsibility as well. Oh, here's all of the
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: awful things that our platform has allowed other people to
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: say on here. Maybe it's pretty stupid to hand that over. Well,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Teagan confirmed that a large scale national investigation is now
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: being conducted by the police and urged influencers and content
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: creators to send evidence to this specific police email to
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: assist in charges being laid against the moderators of the thread.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine these officers having to sift through some
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: of these threads? I wouldn't mind. It'd probably be quite entertaining. Yeah,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Sophie's put her hand up to volunteer. I mean, I'm
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: a bit busy at the moment, but you know. Now,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: there's been a lot of talk of copycat threads popping
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: up and Teagan confirmed that Reddit will be investigating any
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: similar threads that pop up and told influencers to take
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: screenshots of those as well as other similar accounts that
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: try to bully, harass or intimidate them.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: She then said this, there is finally going to be
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: justice for those ones that have lost, I guess, brand
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: deals and things like that because of what was posted
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: on there. If there was people that were saying, hey,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: let's try and tarnish these brand deals and things like
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: that that are on there, they'll be investigated too. So
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: then there's going to be room, I guess, for defamation
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: for you guys. So yeah, I will put the email
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: in the description.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: And The post was highly supported by Australian influencers. Popular
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: TikToker Ames wrote under the post, saved. You are an
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: actual angel. I am so interested to see how this develops.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: It could be another landmark case like we saw with
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Tattle Life. I mean, off the back of that one
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: successful defamation case, Sebastian Bond, the owner, was threatened with
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: up to 40 further libel actions. The crazy thing is
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Tidal Life still remains online and operational. However, it is
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: being investigated by the UK Information Commissioner's Office for Suspected
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Data Law Breaches. So I don't know how much longer
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: it's going to be up. Maybe they legally have to
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: keep it up, as you were saying, to give people
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: the ability to be able to get evidence from it.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I have noticed that a lot of threads are a
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: lot quieter than normal. Well, it's quite interesting because one
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: of the TikTokers was saying, you know, obviously we can
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: go through these processes of finding out your IP address
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and also your email address. But the way a lot
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: of people fucked up essentially was that they'll go on
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Aussie TikTok snark and bag out all these influences under
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: what they think is this anonymous name. But then they'll
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: also go and share personal details and other threads that
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: are completely off topic. Maybe, you know, there's, I've seen
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: like golden retriever threads where you talk about, I took
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: my golden retriever to the vet. So then people can
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: scour through all of your posts and sort of pick
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: up these identifiable features about you. Well, it's because a
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: lot of them become friends through their hatred of certain
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: influencers and then reveal a lot of that information about themselves.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Do you think this is actually going to stop people
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: anonymously bullying influencers online though? I definitely think it's going
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: to act as a bit of a deterrent considering this
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: is something that's been mounting across the last year or so.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: A lot of people think that they can hide behind
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: anonymous accounts and the fact that they actually can't, I
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: think it will get to a stage where people are
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: doxed and unmasked. And I think that will add even
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: a further deterrent because what we're seeing is a lot
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: of people who do anonymously post on these types of forums,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: they all have very wholesome jobs. Like we're seeing lawyers, doctors, teachers,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: and they're going to think, is this going to impact
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: my career going forward? Well, I mean, I think a
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: lot of people are probably like, I can't believe Indy
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: and these group of women don't want to dox their trolls.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: But we had a pretty similar situation where we found
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: out who our biggest troll was and it ended up
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: being an absolutely tragic story. I was so heartbroken over it.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I won't go into the personal details about it, but
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: it was an absolute shock. And when I found out
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: who the person was and what actually happened, I was like,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: this says so much more about them than it does
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: about you. And I can't imagine ever doxing them and
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: saying that this was the person. And also it kind
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: of made me feel sad because in hearing their story,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: They clearly found a sense of belonging on that forum.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: And community. And I don't actually think that the person
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: deep down was a bad person at all. They just
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: had some awful things going on in their life. Well,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: one of the influencers who managed to work out who
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the owner of the TikTok snark thread was, she said, look,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: can we just go back to people commenting to their friends?
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Like their friend group chat about it as a part.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: But the thing is maybe a lot of these people
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: don't have friends outside of their home to talk to
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: about it. Or don't have friends that also follow the
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: same people. Well, that's the difficulty, I suppose, with the
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: way we are online. We're very run by algorithms. And
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I suppose, you know, people that I want to talk about,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you might not know. And that's why they come together
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: on online forums. So back in the day, if you
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: wanted to have a bitch about a model or an
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: actress that was pissing you off, most people would know
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: about them. But now it's very, you know, in silos,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: isn't it?
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Tully is looking very unseasonally festive. It's a lovely day
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: in Melbourne.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I'm cold. Former Big Brother contestant Tully Smythe has announced
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: she's expecting a baby with her partner, Ned. I reckon
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: we can tick this one off our list because in
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: our influencer predictions, we said that there was going to
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: be a huge milestone for Tully Smythe and her partner, Ned.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: We didn't want to touch too much on pregnancy because
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's be unfair to do. Do you
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: know what? I feel like moving forward, we almost need
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: to write down our predictions and like do a time
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: capsule and bury them because there's some that was like, oh,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: you know, we didn't, we felt too bad to say
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: we thought Matt and Tammy would break up, but we
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: really did. So maybe for proof, you mean? Maybe we
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: need to film ourselves, date it. And then go back
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: to it. Every time capsule seems to get stolen though
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: for some reason. Just imagine these thieves taking it. Like
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: who the hell are these people they're talking about? You're
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: referencing the time capsule that was buried at our primary
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: school in 2000 and it was going to– yeah, someone
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: stole it under the bell. The year before someone stole it. Actually,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: what do you want in there? It's just kids' drawings. Yeah,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: just to ruin people's time. Anyway, this pregnancy announcement made
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: me emotional and that's quite unusual because Tully Smythe has
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: been really open about the fact that she has wanted
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: to be a mom for so long. And ever since
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: she was on Big Brother, what was it like over
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: 10 years ago? I feel like we've ridden the wave
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: of all these relationships that she's had and her heartbreaks.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: And it almost seemed like we weren't going to get
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: to this point. She has also been very open about
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: the fact that she has been on an egg freezing journey.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: So she actually received a lot of criticism in 2023
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: when she revealed she had a partnership with an egg
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: freezing clinic. I remember that because she reached out because
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: we discussed it on our podcast and she was giving
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: us extra information saying how upsetting it had been for
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: her and she was being trolled over it. Yeah, and
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I really felt for her because it was a difficult
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: one because it was at the time when that paid
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: partnership tool had come in and people thought that she
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: had been paid to go through the process when she
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: actually just received it more of as a gifted item.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's such a touchy topic as well and
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I think people see influencers getting this very expensive treatment
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: done and think, well, why should they get it? They
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: already earn so much money. But I think Tully's been
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: quite honest with the fact that she makes quite a
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: standard wage with her influencing. And that's what we're going
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: to see more of as the influencer space becomes more oversaturated.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: There's going to be influencers who are just earning what
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: a normal nine to five person earns. I was listening
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: to a podcast the other day, it was two Queensland influencers,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: and they were saying the thing that shocks most of
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: their friends is actually how little some of them may.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: It's quite interesting because back in December, Tully wrote an
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: article for Vogue entitled The Quiet Heartbreak of Attending Baby
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Showers in Your Late 30s. And she actually would have
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: been pregnant at the time. And there were a couple
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: of clues in there. So in the article, she wrote,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: if you're 38 and trying to conceive, that hits differently.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I adore my friends. I really do. I show up
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: with a gift and a card and a full heart,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: but I'm also human, which means I can feel joy
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: for them and heartbreak for myself at the same time.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: She then finished the article ominously writing, one day you
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: might be the woman people gather around. One day you
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: might unwrap tiny clothes. One day you might kiss a
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: baby who looks like you. I had never read any
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: of Tully's articles before this one. And she is an
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: incredible writer. She's so articulate. It made me emotional reading it,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: which is quite rare. I can be a bit of
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: an ice queen sometimes. Yeah. It's funny though, because we've
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: all been on engagement watch for so long with her
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: and Ned. They've been together for a couple of years now.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: And Tully has kind of got this reputation for really
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: pumping the tires of her boyfriends. And it hasn't been
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: any different with Dr. Ned. I kind of love that
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: about her though. I want to come back in life
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: as one of Tully's boyfriends just to get a huge
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: ego boost. It's nice though. It's nice to actually appreciate
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: your partner like that. We have to talk about this
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: video though, the way that they announced the pregnancy. So
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Tully and Ned made this announcement with a professionally shot video,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: which was really cute. They were in a field of
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: flowers and they had their ultrasound photo in the clip.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: It was really cute. In the video, Tully also had
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: a heart-shaped necklace with Mama written on it. And there
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: were just so many cute little touches. It went for
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: quite a long time, this video. It was very aesthetically pleasing.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I really liked it. And in the caption, Tully wrote,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Tiny Rort joins our world July 2026. We're completely over
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the moon and so incredibly grateful. To anyone still hoping, trying,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: or healing, we see you and we're sending so much love.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: It's funny because after having to write my own pregnancy announcement,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: it's so difficult to word them these days because You
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: want to share how excited you are without hurting anyone's
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: feelings who is on their own conception journey. Yeah. Well,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I think she did it really well. She did. I mean,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: there was an overwhelming amount of support in the comment section.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: It was pretty cute. Ned wrote, so proud of you already.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Can't wait to meet our little egg. And Tully wrote back,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: luckiest baby in the world to have you as their data.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: That's cute. I was interested to see the influencers who
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: were commenting on this because sometimes you don't realise that
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: they're friends with each other. So I didn't know that
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Brooke Hogan and Tully were friends. Brooke wrote, oh, my God, yes,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: this makes me so, so, so happy. Oh, my God.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Whilst Alex Nation from The Bachelor wrote, I can't wait
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: to meet this little babe. Love you guys so much.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: The first person I thought of was Olivia Rogers because
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I know Tully and Olivia are really good friends and
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Olivia is, of course, due in April. Well, we can't
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: see her comment, can we, because we're still blocked. Yeah,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: if you're listening, Olivia, please don't block us. But, yeah,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: their babies are going to be so close in age.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: It's going to be the similar gap that you and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I had. So they're actually going to be able to
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: do a lot with each other. And I feel like
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: it's particularly special because they both went through those huge
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: breakups around the same time and they probably bonded over
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: maybe that worry that things weren't going to turn out
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: for them and they have. I always wanted to be
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: a Hooters girl, guys. Hot girls and hot wings. Literally.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: And cold beer.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: I want to go to Hooters right now.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: The countdown is officially on after podcaster Nikki Westcott celebrated
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: her baby shower over the weekend. The location of the
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: co-ed baby shower raised eyebrows, though, with the event held
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: at her husband Ollie Frost's controversial restaurant. Now, Soph, before
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: we get into the drama, can you tell us about
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: this party? Well, Nikki looked incredible. She was dressed in
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: a yellow two-piece number from her brand Jagger and Stone
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: with her belly exposed. That seems to be her whole
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: look throughout this pregnancy. Yeah, it's been a bit of
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: a fashion accessory for her and a lot of influences.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: She's been poo-bearing it, as you would say, Sophie. This
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: might sound weird, but she's got a really nice shaped belly.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: She does. I mean, she is a gorgeous looking pregnant woman,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I have to say. She looks incredible. Now, the yellow
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: theme continued into the party with the restaurant's signature wall
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: on display, as well as a pop-up build-your-own bouquet bar,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: which had yellow flowers. I love that idea. I think
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: it was sponsored because the amount of times that Nikki
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: tagged this brand in the post, I was like, she
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: must be getting it for free. But yeah, fantastic idea.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: We don't know if that's the case because anytime we speculate,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: it really seems to trigger a lot of influences. So- Yeah, apologies, Nikki,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: if you did pay for it. Now, as a surprise,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the staff at the venue even organized a live pasta
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: station with hand-rolled pasta, and there were a couple of
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: kids getting involved. It looked like a beautiful event. Nikki's co-host,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Lucy Jackson, was, of course, there, and before the event,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: she posted a mirror selfie where she was wearing an
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: outfit also by Jagger and Stone and wrote, it's giving auntie,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: and also shared a cute photo of her dog, Billy,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: and wrote, certified hot uncle, ready for the baby. I
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: was a little bit surprised to see that Nikki held
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: the event at Ollie's restaurant, my man, because the venue
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: has been in the headlines for all the wrong reasons
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. So in August, 2023,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough's ex-fiance, Matt Paul called out Ollie publicly over
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: a dispute over the restaurant. So he said that he
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: invested $ 30, 000 into the business, but was squeezed out and
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: has no idea where his money is. And it's not
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: the first time that Ollie's businesses have been in the
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: headlines for the wrong reasons. Well, that time was very
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: turbulent for Ollie because it was being reported that four
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: of his businesses had entered administration and Maman was one
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: of those businesses. The businesses were able to continue trading
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: by switching to different trading entities. So that is why
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: we have still seen Maman trading currently. I suppose a
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: lot of people who don't get the Gold Coast Bulletin
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: or listen to Outspoken probably don't know all of this
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: business trouble that Ollie Frost has had. So The baby
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: shower actually probably provided some good promotion for the restaurant
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: and I suppose they need it. Like they need to
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: bring in money and you probably go, Oh, I'd like
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: to have my baby shower where Nikki Westcott had hers.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I noticed that Tammy Hembrough wasn't in attendance at the
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: baby shower. And she actually wrote underneath Nikki's post about
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the shower. So stunning, Nick. Wish I could have made it.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I wonder if she purposely stayed away because she didn't
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: want to cause any tension between her and Matt Poole.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know about that because Matt Poole has been
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: quite outspoken about Tammy Hembrough. Like he's teamed up with
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Matt Sikowski. He's made a few off comments, which make
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: it seem like he's not really a big fan of her.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: But they've still got their daughter, Posey, who they co-parent with.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: So hopefully it's all sort of settled down after last
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: year and they're just moving on. Like it wouldn't have
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: been a good look for Tammy to be photographed at Maman.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I'm really excited to see Nikki become a mom. It's
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: crazy that it's only a couple of weeks away. And
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I loved watching her do up her nursery. I was
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: actually heavily influenced by Nikki because in addition to her nursery,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: she's also been, I suppose, nesting in the house. She
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: got some organizers in to clean out her wardrobe and
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  Speaker 1: she did a full wardrobe tour and she was showing
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  Speaker 1: off all of the organizational stuff. And this was when
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  Speaker 1: I was in my peak throwing shit out in January.
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  Speaker 1: And she had these really cool jewelry boxes and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, they must be really expensive. It turned
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  Speaker 1: out they're $ 25 from Kmart, so I bought one. I'm
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  Speaker 1: tempted to buy another one. I think I need two. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: on that note, I think that is all we have
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  Speaker 1: time for today. Thank you so much for joining us
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more rogue. A bit less filtered. Yes. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this episode was recorded on the traditional land of the
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  Speaker 1: Kaurna people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to
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  Speaker 1: elders past and present.