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#293 - For Azeroth!: “We are Heroes” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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Whoever coded the voice lines for Bran is the meanest person
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on the World of Warcraft team. What is going on?
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I would prefer that the Bran is coded to like, call me a dumb
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ass than to be like, next time let's try going in with a
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strategy. OK, Bran.
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I thought I was going in with a strategy and I died anyway.
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I don't know what to tell you. Like, I'm doing my best.
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You're on level 15. For Gilnaeus, but has not died,
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for the Lich King, for the Sindori, for the Alliance, for
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the Horde, for Azeroth. Hello and welcome to it special
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episode. Well, not special.
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You know what all they're? All special.
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Yes, this is yeah, preempted you there Lex, but we are back for
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another episode of For Azroth. I am one of your hosts, Manny
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and of course the other host that you heard was Lex.
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Lex, how are you doing this week?
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I'm doing good. It was a little bit of a
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devastating ego blow to go from just absolutely wiping the floor
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with heroics to doing mythic zeros and getting well yelled at
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for reasonable things like the fact that I face pull every two
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groups of mobs, which I think if you see you have a Demon Hunter,
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just pull more mobs. But like, I'm I'm going to
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backflip it. I guess I should take
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accountability for my own things, but I'm bopping, I'm
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vibing. I'm up to 587 item level, which
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we're going to pretend is a good item level on this group and
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that you guys aren't probably in the six hundreds now because of
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who you are as people. I love you.
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So we're vibing. We're living the dream.
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OK, well, let's go over to Sean who is most likely to preview.
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Right. Sean, how are you doing and how
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is your item level treating you this week?
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Manny, Manny, Lex. Oh, my God, Season one has
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started. And I don't know if you're a
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listener of the show who is like new to the show and this is your
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first episode, you're getting prime Sean.
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If you had been listening to any episodes previously when I was
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on, it was sort of like chill Sean.
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But Season 1 is here. It is full sweats.
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It's 45° and I'm 300 plus pounds.
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It is sweaty. That is the level of sweat
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that's going into the game right now in season 1.
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Yeah, my, I don't mind. You that many of our listeners
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are from from the US, So when you say 45°, they're like, jeez,
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actually. I.
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Will say it kind of worked too because it was sort of like it's
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so cold out right now but I'm still sweating like it.
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I thought it worked. Right.
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Yeah, 45°C, which would kill us. I think it would be very close
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to being dangerous and freedom units would be 90 + 32122.
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So that's about how much that would be for you guys in the
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States a lot. It's hot, we're sweaty, we're
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loving it. Season 1 is here, We're heading
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to full force. I've had one day, I've done all
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the things and my item level is only 599, but it should be noted
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that I've not sent any upgrade tokens yet this week.
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That's just from drops, but we're going to talk about that
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later on. We have some hot gearing tips,
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OK? Well, then I guess we should
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dive right into it, because you've got to tell.
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Us your item level. You can't make a charge of
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parents. Ourselves public.
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Like that's crazy. I'd.
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Have to log in to do it. I can't.
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You can't ballpark what your item level is.
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We're assuming it's like low 590's, high 580's.
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It's somewhere, It's somewhere there I have something.
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I have two weapons that are above 600.
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I got a couple of things. I crafted an omen, an omen
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weapon. Some it's it's like maybe I, I
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I'd say 588 would be a good guess, but I, you.
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Gave Lex all that shame for 587, and you might not even be above
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that. That like I just why I pass it
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to you. I'm like the person most likely
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to actually prove you correct and then handed it to you.
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All right, That's fair. That's fair.
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You didn't say that. You did say that.
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This is really. Fun that.
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That's also really fun. Sorry, Manny, it's not fun.
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I'm sorry you're under the weather, but this is really fun
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because for like a a hot sack, there I was the sweaty one in
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this podcast and that was scary and a lot of pressure.
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And now I get to be the fun little catchy again.
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You're not here like crafting your weapons.
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And I'm like I did nothing zero and my gill told me I should do
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delves but I wanted to do nothing 0 so I did missing 0.
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It's dead. True sweats have not crafted
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their weapons yet. Fake sweats have crafted their
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weapons. I just wasn't getting items like
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so yeah, I'll be, I'll be the fake sweat.
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I haven't done delves above 6 yet and many people have done
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the full sweep of eights, so there.
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But like there's a lot of stuff that you can do this week
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because it is there's a lot of stuff you can do this week
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because it is above the last week where we actually got only
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at heroics. Now we've got mythic zeros and a
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bunch of things. So let's cover that off.
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You know what, Lex? You've, you've been diving in,
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you're recovering sweat, going back into like, enjoying the
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game again. What in the world is available
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for us this week in our first story here.
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So this week we got all sorts of fun little stuff.
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So we got Mythic 0, not mythic plus, but mythic zero.
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We got delves above a three, including the joyful little
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bountiful delves, which we already had, but now they're
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actually important because you can get a lot of gear from them.
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We have LFR wing one and then we also have, I think it was like
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random like solo Q rated battlegrounds and other things.
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They said the PvP season opened and I don't know what that
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means. So if you understand the words
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PvP season open, that's what happened.
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That's this week starting yesterday and that as in the
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10th, I don't know when you guys are listening to this.
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And then on September 17th, we are getting the second week,
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which is going to oh, sorry. The one thing that I forgot that
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I really should not have forgotten is that heroic rating
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opened this week as well as normal rating.
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So next week, September 17th, we're getting mythic rating,
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we're getting story mode rating and also LFR Wing 2.
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So you could hypothetically do the final Moss in story mode.
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We are getting Mythic plus dungeon, which is very exciting
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so you can start doing your little keystone.
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We're finally getting our first grade vault and the delves are
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fully unlocked, which I thought they were.
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So this is going to be really exciting to learn from Manny
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what that means. Well, I mean, that means that
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you can now go all the way up to 11:00.
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I've seen some people who have done the full Claire.
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Oh, is it? Has anybody has anybody gotten
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that 13th delve yet? Not yet.
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We have a dozen or so folks who have cleared it on 11, but none
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who have. I don't think anybody's even
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seen what what activates 13 yet. Well, it's not a, it's a not a
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level. It's just the a separate delve
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that has multiple levels of difficulty that people can
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unlock through. I guess it's probably some story
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stuff that that people do, yeah. We don't.
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That's the thing. We go ahead.
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Because the quest just says complete the season delve quest
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or like complete the season delve storyline.
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And I do not know what that means.
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So it's exciting. We're going to learn together.
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I wonder if it's like do a certain number or even it might
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even just be do all the delves like through till.
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The end. Yeah, nobody knows because Mr.
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GM asked Ian in an interview how to unlock it and Ian wouldn't
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tell him. He was very cagey on it, yeah,
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but we don't know what that means yet.
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I bet it's all of them. To be honest, I've seen like the
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story where it's like, oh, this guy's trying to prevent us from
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finding out something in in the delves.
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And now we are seeing that some of these some of these creatures
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are being empowered. You'll actually see like the
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sort of shade above them line connected gives you some more
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stuff to do. And so delves I actually am
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finding more enjoyable now that there's like some actual teeth
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to it. But people have been upset about
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that and unfortunately I have not heard all of the reasoning
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behind it. I believe that people are just
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saying that like, delves hit too hard for non tanks, like we had
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seen sort of on the beta and we were expecting them to do a
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little bit more tuning towards, you know, class and roles, but
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apparently that was not the case.
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John, you're nodding your head. You seem to be more informed
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than me. Tell, tell me, what in the world
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is going on here? Yeah, I mean, it's exactly what
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people said they wanted solo player content that they can
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play that's as challenging as they are great.
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It's exactly what they asked for, so Blizzard gave it to
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them. When you when you go into a
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delve, it says we recommend you be item level XYZ.
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People are going in below that item level in gear that's not
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optimized stats and they're having a hard time with it.
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Elsa Freeze. Yeah, I, I actually think delves
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seem pretty undertuned because they are like there's expect the
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advised item level for a level 8 is 600 and I'm seeing people in
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like 570 fives clear it with a group, which is like bad tuning,
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right? Like I, and to be fair, I wasted
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a couple bountifuls today by trying to do sevens alone at
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like 585, which is a little bit below what it's supposed to be.
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So like they they're rough, right?
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They kill you. But like, that's the point,
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right? Like if we can clear the top
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delves easily on the 1st week, they're going to get really
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boring. And the point is that they're
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not supposed to be really boring right off the bat.
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So yeah, they hurt. It's probably because you're
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probably like 10 item levels below where you're supposed to
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be. Is my tag so remind me again
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guys, what is the gear that you would get out of a normal raid?
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Out of normal raid, normal raid I'm not sure I can pull up AI
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have spreadsheets. Because it's 557 minimum
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requirement to get into LFR. People were shocked about that.
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The I. Don't know how so I don't know
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how people are like all of this information has been available
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for months like. It's like finding everybody is
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tuned. Prizes an election in November
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like it's everywhere. This news is everywhere.
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And if you don't know, in America, there's an election in
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November. Just He's one of those folks who
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was shocked at this item level anyway.
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I do sympathize because my Guild had to do a whole like, hey
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besties, we didn't read things properly and we thought that we
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were going to be getting mythic the week before our rage.
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So we're actually changing our item level for the first week of
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rating. I'm so sorry besties, have a
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good time. So like, I get it, but also like
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I, I, I don't really think any of these are crazy.
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Like, again, it's the new season.
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If it's, if we can all do it like clear through day one, what
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are we going to do for the next few weeks?
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Like what's the point? So my Guild had an entire like
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spreadsheet that was put up and I just jumped over to look at
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that. If you are getting loot from
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normal, that's 597 at the lowest and then it caps out at 5:13 or
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rather. Six O 6. 13 it caps out, which
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means that that normal raid loot at that would cap out at 6:13
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will take you into heroic. Heroic is rewarding 610 to 626
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and Mythic is rewarding 623 to 639 at the highest.
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That means that these delves that are requiring item level
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600, right means that you take your gear from normal, go into
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that to to get the loot from there, which is rewarding heroic
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and that seems pretty on par with the rate.
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So the suggested level and the suggested or the reward that
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you're supposed to get out of it seems pretty on par for me.
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You guys from your experience, because you guys have been in
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there more than I have. I've been running and I did some
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sixes and stuff, but like we've got the sweaty Lex, you've been
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pushing and doing sevens and such and Sean, you've been
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running around and doing full players of eights.
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So like in your thoughts, like have you been doing this solo?
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Have you been finding it hard? Have you been doing it with the
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team? Do you think maybe adjustments
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are required? Let's start with you, Lex.
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I, I mean, like I said, I think if anything is undertuned right
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now, I think it's too easy. I do also think, and this is a
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little personal, minor cranky little gripe.
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I as a solo player, it feels a little not great that this was
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sold to us as this is solo things you can do alone pretty
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easily. And I am like, it really seems
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like if you join a group it is 20 times easier, which doesn't
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feel great. But it is an MMO, it is a social
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game. What can you do?
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I think you are going to have to do.
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And I had, I, I got myself a little slammed into the ground a
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couple times because I went into them with some sort of like
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background mindset of, OK, this is open world solo content,
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easy. This is going to be fun, no
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worries. And like the, the point that
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they told us is this is supposed to be challenging and game level
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content for solo players. Or like, you know, and you can
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also do it in a group, but like made for solo players to be able
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to do this solo. And the point is that you're
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doing hard things and it's, it's complicated.
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So yeah, you're going to have to be thoughtful about pulls.
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You're going to have to be thoughtful about how you're
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approaching things. You have to like, think of it
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like I'm doing a dungeon but alone.
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But it's doable alone, right? I've, I've cleared through, I
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did 17 successfully and two sevens, not successfully, but
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got through it at the end. And you're going to have to
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think about the mechanics and you're going to have to dodge
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them. And it is significantly more fun
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because you're doing them. And it's not just like close
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your eyes and press buttons for a few minutes and get your gear.
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Sure. All right.
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Well, Sean, you decided to take the easy mode and get carried by
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a group. How did it work for you?
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That's great. We were blowing through it.
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I'm not offended by that at all. And our group works together as
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a team, but I'm happy to be the carry of one of us has to be.
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These are significantly easier in a group, I think and we like
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it was one shot them up to rank 8 and then did our four
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bountifuls on 8 on the first day.
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I think it took an hour total to do all of it.
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And then we did 4 eights again today and it took maybe 30
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minutes, maybe we'll say 45 just for the sake of, but it was not
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not fast, but as a group, 100% easier, I think.
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Here's where I think the problem is.
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Dells are designed, as Blizzard has said, as everybody has said,
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for solo players who don't do high end competitive group
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content. However, this week in
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particular, which we're going to talk about soon, Delves are the
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best form of six of of of gear for raid teams.
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So anybody who is in these guilds that run high end raids
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or do competitive cut group content are going in in a team
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because they're coordinated, because that's what we do.
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We organize armor stacks for Mythic 0.
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We plan who's going to do what for professions.
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So we were like, teams are going in and full clearing to eights
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and then making it look easy. And then all of those players
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who are solo players are seeing how easily delves are being
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clear. You know, it's making what was
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supposed to be their challenging content seem trivial and then to
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them it's still difficult and now they're upset.
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Well, how come they can easily clear it?
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They get ahead of us. We can't do it.
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We're supposed to be able to clear this content too.
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And you are when you get geared to the level that you're
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equivalent in it or get in a group and do it that way.
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I think that's I think that's the problem because next week
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nobody's running these next week Delves go back to the realm of
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the solo player because there are better avenues to gear.
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Delves are a single week event for everybody that is in a in a
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in a rating team. OK, so having played through
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them at the level that you've been playing through them,
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getting everything you need to like, you know, juice up your
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vault because really that's what people are doing it for is like,
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yes, the gear that you're going to get out of the eights is
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fairly decent, but it's really about like that extra slots that
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you get in that mythic vault to give you the best chance of
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getting something leading into next week that people are
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pushing it for. But you've now played through a
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significant amount of these. You stayed at eights.
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You didn't push to 11. Is this something that like,
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hey, in the twilight of the season, you're looking for
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something to do? You might come back around and
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be like, let me let me get through those elevens.
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So let me see that 13th delve there and see what else this has
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to offer. Did it like because I've been
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going through this, I've been doing it fairly fairly solo or
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with like one or two friends. I've been enjoying it to the
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point where I'm like, you know what, I'm going to check this
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out. Is the same true for you?
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Or is this something where you're like, I got what I wanted
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out of it, I'm out. My stance on Delves has not
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changed. I enjoy doing group content with
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my friends. I enjoy the time spent with the
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group that I'm running them with.
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Delves are a nothing burger for me.
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I don't they're not fun. It's a chore I have to do this
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week. I will go back when I'm fully
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geared out in mythic grade stuff and one shot my way through to
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the end of the achievement and then firm with the rest of the
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the gear appearances and that'll be it.
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They're not there's as a tank. It's there's no fail state.
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If you don't give me a way to fail, there's no enjoyment.
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Yeah, there are a one week I need I'm going to get some 6O3
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gear and I've, I've been very lucky.
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I've gotten a lot of good drops in my delves, 8 delves and I
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could use six of the pieces that I got so pretty good.
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No, five of the pieces that I got, Yeah, so.
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We've been dancing around it. We've basically said how much
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delves are such a focus for every player this week, but
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like, what are the other ways that people can gear?
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Sean, you, you being the back in full sweat mode here.
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Give us the rundown. Yeah, for sure.
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So if you are somebody chance. So chances are if you're
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listening to this and you're in a mythic rating Guild or a Guild
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that is, you know, pushing, pushing high and content, you
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probably already have some version of this in a write up
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from your raid leader in your Discord.
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So a lot of this is going to be information you've already
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heard, but just in case you're not or if you're somebody who
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wants to be in that kind of situation, best ways to gear
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this week? Number one is delves.
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Don't run a single bountiful delve until you're at tier 8.
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Once you hit tier 8 then only run tier 8 bountiful delves.
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You get a six O 3 piece of equipment from the end chest.
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Every single time you run one, you can do 4A day because
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there's four new ones a day and you should, if you've been
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farming the keys, have somewhere in the range of 11:50 coffer
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keys that you can use if you happen to get lucky to get a
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bountiful Dell or a delve bounty map.
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While you're doing that, pop that in the very next bountiful
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delve you do, you will get your regular six O 3 piece, and you
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will also get a 610 piece of equipment at the end of that
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delve. Do you do those four delves a
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day? Every day, until you have no
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coffer keys left? Make sure you're doing your
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Radiant Echoes events after your delves, because that gives you
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more coffer key fragments, which gives you more keys, which means
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more delves you can run. Delves are only important this
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week. That six O 3 gear, you can
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upgrade it easily to six O 6 with the weathered crests from
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six O 3, and you don't have to think about it.
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That's it. That's an easy way to get some
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gear #2 do up for an epic battleground.
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Run an epic battleground. When you win the epic
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battleground you get a quest that gives you a a box that you
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can open up that has 9 gladiator herald heraldry inside of it.
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You can use this to craft 610 pve pieces of gear.
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The piece you craft determines how much heraldry you use.
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But for example you could craft two rings and a neck.
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Because each of those only uses 3 of the heralds, you have nine
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of them. That gives you 2610 rings and a
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610 neck, which can then all be socketed with PvP socket items,
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which you can buy with honor, which if you farmed out pop
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stomp last week, you have an abundance of.
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You didn't farm comp stomp last week?
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No big deal, get honored this week.
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So now you have a socketed neck, 2 socketed rings, they're all
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610 and you have, if you do all of your delves all week long,
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hopefully, and you're lucky somewhere in the range of 5 to 8
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pieces of 6/03 gear that you've upgraded.
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The 6:06. That's the stuff that is
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important to this week and will help you this week.
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On top of that, Mythic Zeros, if you could do a world tour, which
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is a term that we use to indicate running all eight of
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them, then do that. Those drop 597 gear, preferably
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in a armor stack. The term armor stack means
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you're running it with all people of the same armor type as
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you. So all plate, all leather, all
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those are the ones you can do all of.
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And then male and cloth, you can do all except for the tank.
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Run those. If you can't run them all, look
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up where your best trinkets drop from and your best weapons.
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Run those. Yeah, and that's probably it.
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I would recommend you have enough weathered crests that you
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can upgrade almost your entire suite of equipment to six O 6.
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But until you're sure that you can hit six O 6 overall on every
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piece, don't start upgrading your 597 pieces from that you
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get from those mythic dungeons. Just wait.
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Spend all your coffer keys first.
23:07
Once your coffer keys are all spent, you know you're not
23:08
getting any more 6 O threes, because there's nothing worse
23:11
than getting a random piece in a six O 3 and then you've wasted
23:13
60 crests. Basically, make sure all your
23:16
coffer keys are gone, then spend your weathered crests to upgrade
23:19
those pieces that are missing. And this last one is important.
23:22
You're going to see a lot of people getting really, really
23:25
eager to spend their sparks on their crafted piece.
23:29
Wait until your vault. If you get a vault that gives
23:33
you the option to pull a better piece out than when you would
23:35
wear, that's great. You can put a crafted piece
23:37
somewhere else. And on top of that, if you wait
23:40
till you get AOTC, if you're in a situation where you're going
23:43
to get AOTC this week, you get a token that lets you build your
23:46
crafted piece at a higher level. Those are probably the best tips
23:50
that all of that requires a lot of time to do every single day.
23:54
If you were going to prioritize something, it's spend every
23:57
coffer key you have in tier 8 delves this week and then firm
24:03
out your mythic, your mythic zeros do that PvP one as well.
24:06
That's pretty good because next week none of that matters.
24:09
Mythic plus opens up all of those things that I said this
24:11
week become completely you wasted next week.
24:15
You're not going to do any of it unless you're a solo player, in
24:18
which case you're going to keep progressing through Delves and
24:21
having a good time getting that gear from Delves.
24:26
Yeah, it's. It's very important to note that
24:28
this is people that are prepping to dive into Mythic rating
24:34
content. These these are people who are
24:36
prepping to have the floodgates open of Mythic Plus and want to
24:41
make sure that they, even if they have bad luck, that they
24:44
don't have pieces that are lagging behind.
24:46
That's why you want to go through and make sure you've
24:49
exhausted all of the random gear that you can get from delves and
24:52
then bring your baseline up. That's why you don't want to be
24:56
spending certain things that are going to be harder to replenish
24:59
next this week. Like you don't care about any of
25:01
the these bountiful delves next week because they are not the
25:04
source of gear that you're going to be looking at.
25:07
That's why you want to conserve crests because that's what
25:10
you're going to be restricted by because of the seasonal, the
25:13
seasonal cap that's there. And and that's a lot of the
25:16
thinking behind it. If I were to explain it, is that
25:20
like off the mark? No, it's pretty close.
25:22
The weather, I mean weathered crests you can, you can almost
25:26
full send them because they're open world quests crests.
25:30
Yeah, the big deal is going to be higher than that not going.
25:32
To be yeah, but but just waiting till you finish all your coffer
25:36
keys for the week because that can save you Crest that just
25:40
sort of guarantees you're at a situation.
25:42
If you're going into this week, you should be somewhere in the
25:44
range of 400 plus weathered crests, which would let you get
25:50
those pieces drafted or get those pieces upgraded to six O
25:55
6. You should every if you follow
25:57
those steps, everybody should easily be able to be going into
26:00
next week at six O 6, which sets you up in a good position.
26:03
And Manny mentioned, you know, this is for people looking to
26:06
jump in a mythic plus and push high and mythic grade, and that
26:09
is true. But if you're a heroic only
26:12
player or a normal only player who wants to push themselves and
26:14
set themselves up, you know, maybe your raid team's not going
26:17
to this level and it's casual raid team, but you want to do
26:20
better, you want to do more, you can just do it yourself.
26:23
So you know, do make those goals for yourself.
26:25
And then, you know, suddenly you're the highest sided little
26:28
person on the team and feels really good to be on top of the
26:30
meter it. Does feel good to be on top of
26:33
the meter? We're a shaman.
26:35
You don't know what it feels like.
26:37
Sir, I was getting handed Pi and it was glorious.
26:41
It was glorious. But yes, I I do like when
26:48
people, whatever content you're going or you do the most that
26:52
you can, setting your personal goals is a lot that makes the
26:59
game fun, even when other people aren't at that same level.
27:03
Like if you are somebody who wants to like push in, like tear
27:07
through as much content and you like playing with your friends
27:10
and your your friends are normal rating, right?
27:14
And you just you just go like, OK, in a normal raids, I'm going
27:19
to pump as much as I can. I or you decide that you're
27:24
going to play like a silly class.
27:25
You're going to be like, I'm going to be Rhett paladin, Oh
27:27
big pumper. And you're just like, I'm going
27:29
to pump as much as I can. That's what's going to like
27:32
bring you joy and just be the best, like normal Raider LFR
27:37
hero off off meta class DPS or healer or tank that you can be.
27:45
And I think that that helps a lot.
27:47
And this stuff is a really good thing.
27:49
It just like usually is in the room.
27:51
Oh wow. Sorry, just just really quickly,
27:54
I'm gonna speak as as the the casual that's gonna bring some
27:57
people joy. But also you can you can just
28:02
have a good time, right? Like, let's also remember that
28:05
we are being spoken to by two myth graders, which is great and
28:08
it's wonderful. And you guys are incredible.
28:09
And every time you talk about what you do, it blows my mind.
28:11
But I think there can be a mindset a little bit in the the
28:14
World of Warcraft community, especially the World of Warcraft
28:16
Twitter community, where like these are the best things to do.
28:20
And so if you don't do them, they're terrible.
28:21
And I want to be really clear, I want to pause for a second.
28:23
I don't think that's what either Sean or Manny was saying.
28:25
I'm not trying to be like like it's school to anyone in this
28:27
podcast, but I know this thing that I fell victim to where like
28:31
I'm looking at this communication and like the way
28:34
that people are talking online and I'm like, Oh my God, I like
28:38
this is going to burn me out in 2 minutes and I like I should, I
28:41
might as well just not play like there's nothing I can do.
28:43
I'm never going to be a good enough player.
28:45
There's nothing to be done. These are these are all very
28:47
high level tips for high level gear, which is great and it's
28:51
wonderful and I hope like it Also for people who aren't in
28:53
mythic guilds often we don't have access to that information.
28:56
And so it's really, really helpful to have that all laid
28:57
out. But if you want to like run
29:01
around and do I'm, I'm doing mostly mythic zeros this week
29:04
because I'm really having a good time doing dungeons and like,
29:07
I'm bopping around and that's, that's a grand old time.
29:10
It's going to be OK. You're not going to be that far
29:12
behind. You're going to be able to do
29:13
the content you want. Like it's going to be fine.
29:15
You're going to find the group of people, you're going to have
29:17
a good time. Everyone is happy if you want to
29:20
be pushing right? No.
29:23
I'm, I'm really glad we have you here to keep us grounded, Lex,
29:27
and I'm really glad we have you here, Sean, to give us those
29:30
aspirational goals, which is this is what this is.
29:32
It's just if this is a path that you want to take, here's a bunch
29:36
of things that are out there. Yeah, I do 100% support Lexus is
29:41
what she just said like play, do have fun.
29:43
It's a video game. If you're not having fun, log
29:45
off. It's do what feels good to you.
29:49
Now a real serious cap that people ran into was actually
29:54
with Bran Bronze beard, which we're continuing to delve
29:57
conversation here. Last week the cap was 15, but
30:03
not all of the week. In fact, many people were able
30:07
to get Bran above the level 15 only for Blizzard to put a hot
30:12
fix in and bring Bran crashing back down to level level 15.
30:18
So what happened this week is that people went into their
30:22
delves, were pushing up the delves, and I believe the best
30:26
way to go about it, correct me if I'm wrong, was to do non
30:30
bountiful delves until you got to 8 and then start hitting the
30:34
bountiful delves once you got got to 8.
30:38
And through this process people were wondering why their brand
30:42
wasn't leveling up. They wasn't getting any
30:44
experience. Kyvax went on to the forums to
30:48
notify people that Bran when he gets to level 15 and all the way
30:52
to 60 will only get experience through the bountiful Delves.
30:58
And this was something that a lot of people had had not
31:02
noticed and was in the the tool tips, but now has been clarified
31:09
further, which begs the question how people got him past 15 so
31:14
far last week. But I guess they were just
31:16
hitting up Bountiful delves at 3:00 to do it.
31:20
Do you know any information on how people were getting beyond
31:23
it? I guess I'll throw it to you,
31:25
Sean or. No I don't know.
31:28
I know they all got rolled back to 15 though.
31:31
You are capped at 4 bountiful delves a day, which does put
31:35
sort of a limit on brand. I think ours hit 25 today.
31:40
But you can reset a delve and go back in again and it doesn't
31:47
change it from bountiful. So theoretically you could run a
31:50
delve all the way up to the last boss, run out, reset, rinse and
31:55
repeat, and continue to get bountiful delve experience from
31:59
a single bountiful delve for as long as you want it in a single
32:03
day. That might be considered an
32:05
exploit, I'm not sure. I don't rec I.
32:08
Definitely don't recommend doing it.
32:10
It also sounds like a miserable way to spend your day.
32:15
But that is if there was an exploit that would be it.
32:19
And if any bands went out for an exploit and you had done it,
32:23
that would probably be the one you had done.
32:26
I do also want to say that if you have had a bad run, you have
32:32
died a couple of times and you don't like where it is, step out
32:36
of the delve, reset it, try it again.
32:38
That will still allow you to do that fresh run.
32:41
Maybe one shot it now that you've seen seen it all and get
32:45
that battlefield delve done at the highest level that I don't
32:49
believe would be considered an exploit.
32:53
No. Also on that note, if you're in
32:55
a group and you die, you can have up to two deaths and still
33:00
receive six O 3 item level at the chest at the end.
33:03
If you're in a group and you die, as long as you don't
33:05
release and don't accept the battle rez and then get
33:08
resurrected, it does not count as a death.
33:11
Your death count stays at 5. You only lose deaths from that
33:14
death counter if you get battle rest or if you die and release.
33:19
So another reason to go in with a group is because it basically
33:22
gives you rez protection on deaths.
33:25
I wonder if reincarnate counts because it doesn't count as a
33:30
battle Reds. Well, I would love to find
33:32
those, but not in one of my bountiful delves.
33:34
I would like you to run one of your own.
33:36
Tests I'll have to I'll have to check it.
33:40
All right, that's fine. I've got Lex last week being
33:43
like I solo delve. I'm not not going with you, and
33:46
now Sean's just like Nope, lute's involved.
33:48
Go find your own Delta bonfire. Well, I'm all on my own today,
33:53
folks. That actually, that's not true.
33:55
Lex actually did delves with me. She took pity and ran some
33:59
delves with me last week and it was actually quite fun.
34:02
That's part of what made Delves fun again.
34:05
OK, Yeah. So that's Brand that's delves a
34:08
lot going on this week. We still have more coming up.
34:10
But before we do that, I just wanted to tell you a little
34:12
story. A tale that happened way, way
34:16
back, a long time ago in the heart of the Fourth War.
34:21
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34:25
front lines as chaos engulfed the fields of Arathi.
34:29
Their shield blaze with the light, deflecting blow after
34:32
blow as they rallied their comrades, leading the charge
34:35
against the Horde with righteous fury.
34:38
As the battle subsided and peace slowly returned, Judge Omni's
34:42
name became legend, forever honored as the brave protector
34:46
who fought for justice in Azeroth's darkest hours.
34:52
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35:16
Thank you, George Omni and going to our next part, we've got, you
35:23
know, we were just talking about how much we love the game, but I
35:26
got something that might cause a bit of gripes here.
35:30
We have some bands that went out now, John, this is an important
35:38
time. We were just saying people are
35:40
gearing up for Mythic Week and today, or rather this week,
35:47
Blizzard decided to land the banhammer on a lot of people.
35:52
So, Sean, tell me, what in the world is going on?
35:56
Early on at the War Within launch it was discovered a way
36:00
to exploit the wrap or the the silken threads Lexus spider
36:07
friends, and some people, when they realized what it was,
36:11
stopped right away until a fix came in.
36:14
Others decided to live stream it and mock Blizzard on Twitter and
36:21
then demand that if Blizzard made no changes to exploits and
36:26
did nothing to actually deal with them, that people would
36:29
continue to deal with them. And then Blizzard said OK.
36:32
And all of those people are the majority of those people got
36:36
banned. There was a four day band wave
36:38
that went out for anybody who intentionally abused the
36:44
exploit. And unfortunately, anybody who
36:47
unintentionally abused it, well, anybody who claims to have
36:50
unintentionally abused the exploit also got caught in that
36:54
band wave. It's a four day band wave at the
36:56
start of the Race to World First Heroic Week, which sounds at
37:00
first glance sounds at first glance.
37:06
Looks at first glance, yeah. Looks looks at first glance.
37:10
Thanks, I don't like that was weird.
37:11
What would that be? Sounds at first.
37:14
You need sentence sounds, but there it's a weird thing.
37:16
Yeah, yeah, OK. Anyway, which appears to be a
37:20
big deal, but in actuality, it's really not that bad.
37:24
They've completed all of their heroic splits in a Mirdressal in
37:28
2 1/2 days. They do have 50% more alts.
37:33
There are dupes this tier. So you could say maybe it would
37:37
take four days to do them all. So some people are are limited
37:43
in it, but it's, I mean, it's a good thing, right?
37:46
We they said if Blitzer didn't do anything, they would keep
37:49
doing it. Like literally said that there's
37:51
A and good credit the tweet that I read that said that was
37:55
somebody who got banned and they replied to their tweet and said,
37:58
OK, well played, well played. Yeah.
38:05
So I don't know, I'm a fan of the phrase exploit early and
38:10
exploit often, but I don't mean actual exploits.
38:13
I mean like, oh, here's a quick way to farm valor.
38:18
Let's do that type thing as opposed to this is obviously an
38:22
unintentional bug that's happening in the game.
38:25
But I know Lex, how do you feel about bans going out for bugs
38:29
that are in the game? So I, I will say I did not
38:34
realize that people were like openly mocking Blizzard and like
38:38
making up so that that's a little different.
38:41
I think that if you are going to exploit and also show off the
38:45
fact you're exploiting that you deserve to be banned.
38:51
I will say, and this is complicated, but as a general
38:55
rule of thumb, my take is if Blizzard's gonna mess up their
39:00
own code and make a little mistake, that is Blizzard's
39:03
error, right? And especially because there's
39:07
so many things that there's so many different ways that things
39:12
work and there's so many changes to the systems.
39:14
I can imagine a world where people are like, oh, I didn't
39:17
think this is how war bands work, but I guess this is how
39:19
war bands work. And we're just thinking they
39:21
were playing correctly and got banned.
39:22
I don't know if that happened. I don't really know what the
39:24
exploit was. So I'm making up a story that I
39:27
don't know anything about. And the other thing is I, it's
39:30
Lizard's game and they can ban whoever they want.
39:32
So I, when I see these like band waves from exploits come out,
39:35
there's a little part of me that like rolls my eyes and it's
39:37
like, or you could have fun tested that.
39:40
And when you fail to bug test that you may have culpa.
39:43
But do I develop lizard games? No.
39:47
And so if they want to ban people, that's their
39:50
prerogative. And I I I I'm not being asked my
39:53
opinion. I mean, you just were if you're.
39:59
Not cool then I'll give it if they taryn Gregory can call me
40:01
up because he just sort of determines bans.
40:03
He's the only Blizzard employee's name.
40:05
I know him and nothing. I mean, definitely no other
40:09
Blizzard employees names, but moving past that point, I, I
40:15
guess I'm the opposite, Lex, I think that you have to enforce
40:19
these bans in order to get people to respect other
40:26
exploits. Because when you have this
40:28
situation, it's because there's been multiple exploits where
40:33
they haven't, they've done a band, they've done some sort of
40:37
rollback, They have done very light touches.
40:41
And so you have people who will just say without the the
40:48
unspoken nuance that Sean will say exploit often exploit early,
40:54
get it done because what will often happen is that Blizzard
40:57
will hot fix it. So at our level, hey, wax gives
41:03
a lot of valor. Wow, this is great.
41:07
So what did I do? I went and I got a bunch of
41:10
valor and I upgraded a bunch of gear because valor was basically
41:14
free and uncapped going into this week.
41:17
I had my Valor basically capped and I had near 404 hundred valor
41:23
in wax. And so if they had hot fix that
41:29
halfway through the week, anybody who had converted their
41:32
wax early in the week would have gotten advantage over people who
41:37
didn't. So when did they, when did they
41:39
put it out? They have to do it at a time
41:41
where it affects most people equally.
41:44
So they do it at the beginning of heroic week.
41:48
And like people have said in the chat, like Sean has agreed, this
41:53
doesn't hurt as much as it could have.
41:56
They could have timed this ban in a much worse position and it
42:02
would have hurt a lot more. I think that this is genuinely
42:07
time to be a don't do that again.
42:10
Here's the shot across the the bow you can make up this time.
42:14
You are going to have to work for it.
42:16
But if we had done that, if they had done the same ban one week
42:20
later or extended the same ban 4-5 days longer, this would have
42:25
crushed some of the guilds that had affected players.
42:28
So I think that this is very much a warning shot of, hey,
42:31
yeah, maybe you don't want to run your mouth on Twitter.
42:34
Maybe understand that this is an exploit and think better about
42:39
it because anybody who did it to the level that they were
42:43
basically capping that that particular faction and renown.
42:48
No, you you figured out what the exploit was and you started
42:52
going at it hard. That's fair.
42:56
I mean, like, I, you know, I can have my big moral statements
42:59
about, you know, who's responsible for what without
43:02
actually thinking about the consequences because I'm not a
43:03
game developer. So I can say whatever I want and
43:06
at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.
43:07
So like, yeah, I, I, I, I can hear how like, I, I think it is.
43:14
It is complicated. I think my my general vibe is
43:20
still only one of us is coding the game and so only one of us
43:23
is responsible for fixing the problems.
43:26
But it does sound like they were particularly prissy about it.
43:34
And I think it's valid to say, OK, you know, faffo, right?
43:38
I think that's that's not unreasonable.
43:42
Yeah, Blizzard, you left the door unlocked.
43:44
Of course I stole stuff out of the cash register.
43:47
You should have locked the door. Come on.
43:51
The fact that I'm mocking you on Twitter.
43:54
OK, you are. Mine, yeah, they're like, I
44:03
think I think there is a certain insult to injury that made
44:07
Blizzard have to have to be a little bit more noteworthy about
44:12
this. But I do think that they also
44:15
were generous in how they implemented it.
44:20
It like the team, the teams that get affected by this the most
44:24
are the teams that are most likely dedicated enough to
44:27
recover from this in a way that it won't affect things.
44:32
And I think that's calculated in in the way that they they rolled
44:36
this out. So yeah, I know some people are
44:41
not the happiest with it and be and immediately we're going
44:45
like, oh, they've they've ruined the race the world 1st.
44:48
And this is this is like handing the win to whichever team that
44:52
they they particularly didn't like in that point, because it
44:55
was every team that could participate was getting pointed
44:59
out and saying like, oh, they've given the the they get it to
45:02
method to echo to liquid, to big dumb gaming Guild.
45:05
It's like, come on, guys that guilty disbanded.
45:08
How would they give can get to that Guild and people are going
45:12
to have the narrative that they want.
45:15
Any last thoughts, Sean? No, no, I no, I hope it means I
45:22
ideally I want the race as a fan of the racer world first, as a
45:26
fan of of competitive sports and competitive esports, I want to
45:30
see our best players performing at the highest level, our best
45:34
players who are also good people performing at the highest level,
45:38
because I don't really dare to watch people that aren't good
45:40
people. I don't care how good they are
45:42
at a sport or game competing at the highest level.
45:46
And hopefully that, you know, this is a just a wake up call.
45:50
If there was 11 team only had one individual got it.
45:52
I think they got it. Like incidentally, it wasn't
45:55
like an intentional thing. And I would like to see that
45:58
sort of integrity held up by the teams like, hey, this is we're
46:01
not, don't we want every edge we can get competitively.
46:04
We don't actively look for exploits and, and, and do them.
46:08
And I hope that that's the result we get from that though.
46:10
And flat out like these teams, they have direct contact with
46:15
Blizzard. If it's easy enough for them to
46:18
be like this doesn't seem right, Let's get it, let's get it
46:21
okayed. And they've done this before in
46:23
like the middle of races as well, so.
46:26
I wouldn't be entirely surprised.
46:28
This is tinfoil hat there, so everybody put your tinfoil hat
46:30
on while you listen to this. If you don't have a tinfoil hat,
46:33
go ahead and earmuffs up for about 45 seconds.
46:35
I wouldn't be overly surprised if Blizzard reached out to the
46:39
team captains, the rave leaders, and said we're going to throw a
46:43
band for this. Is there a number that doesn't
46:46
negatively impact the race that you guys are OK with that?
46:51
Like not that you're OK with like we want the race to be fair
46:53
and equal, but we have to do something.
46:55
Is there a number that works where we can all achieve the
46:59
goal wanted? I wouldn't be.
47:00
I have zero reason to expect that that's what happened.
47:03
I have no inside knowledge at all.
47:05
I guess a tinfoil hat, but I also would kind of like for
47:09
there to be that, that back and forth between Blizzard and the
47:12
race of the first teams. It would make me feel good to
47:14
know anyway. Yeah, I don't know how I feel
47:19
about that. I think like, yeah, I understand
47:21
where you're coming from. I I just, I like, huh.
47:25
Hey, Lex, since I left the door open and you stole all that
47:29
money, how much money should I fine you for it?
47:34
Like, it feels like a weird, weird conversation, but I can't.
47:37
I kind of understand it moving forward though, because we've
47:42
got at least two more stories to run through.
47:45
We're going from 1 controversy to a next.
47:48
This time it's with the Blizzard store.
47:51
Lex, do you want to take care of this one?
47:54
Yeah, so there's a new Blizzard store mount pasties, and it is
47:58
not just cosmetic, it is the Grizzly Hills Packmaster.
48:03
It has both repair and transmark ability.
48:05
So like your yak or like the yak, it is inspired by the
48:10
Grizzly Hills. Mind blowing, right?
48:12
Who Who possibly could have guessed that the Grizzly Hills
48:15
Packmaster is inspired by the Grizzly Hills?
48:16
This is top tier like never before seen.
48:21
And it's also, it's not marked on sale, but it is cheaper than
48:25
the usual cost of mounts, which I'm going to say in Canadian
48:29
dollars because I think in Canadian dollars obviously, and
48:31
not just because Manny said it before the show and I didn't
48:33
bother to check it myself. In U.S. dollars.
48:35
So usually store mounts are about $30 Canadian and this
48:38
one's only $25.00 Canadian. It's not marks on sale.
48:43
US normal mountain I believe 20 for this.
48:48
There we go, which I see. I just think in Canadian
48:50
dollars, Manny, So I wouldn't know that, but thank you for
48:52
checking U.S. Dollars.
48:56
I was just that was a ballpark. Don't don't sue me if I'm wrong
48:59
and said, hey, Manny, you advertise the false price.
49:02
Yeah, yeah. So what do you guys think about
49:07
this mount? I'm gonna go with Sean because
49:10
I, I have a feeling that Sean's opinion is going to be in depth
49:15
and nuance and how much this effects him.
49:18
Go ahead, Sean. I love it, I bought it, it's a
49:20
great mount. Nice, nice.
49:24
It's like from the Chrissy Hill vibes or what?
49:27
I saw the tweet. Well, I like mounts that are
49:32
functional and I'm tired of the yak and I really am tired of
49:35
hearing. Would you like to buy some lucky
49:37
dues or whatever the hell it says?
49:41
This mount looks great. I love it.
49:43
It's it looks the Grizzly Hill vibes are awesome.
49:46
I don't like that they've switched the anvil and the
49:51
transmog. My brain's having a hard time
49:54
with that. I'm thinking about riding
49:56
everywhere backwards so they're in the right spot.
49:59
But yeah, I know it's great. I mean, I don't I bought it.
50:05
I didn't even I didn't even know it was cheaper to.
50:07
You told me in the pre show. I just saw the tweet.
50:11
I went to the store, I hit buy, put my credit card number in.
50:14
It was in my game. And I would do that with
50:17
tenders. If they ever ask me if there's
50:19
ever like a poll, do you want tenders on the store?
50:22
I would say yes that I would create 45 fake B net accounts to
50:27
say yes. All right, let's let's go to
50:31
somebody who's a little less frugal with their money and get
50:34
a different opinion. Lex, what did you think of this
50:37
man? So I don't really care.
50:44
I'm happy for the people who are happy about it.
50:47
I'm probably not going to buy it.
50:49
It's cute. It's a really pretty mount.
50:51
But I, to be honest, I don't open up my yak for aesthetics.
50:54
I open up my yak because I need to get my repair and then I get
50:57
on a better mount and I probably, which is usually a
51:00
flying mount and I probably would do that anyway even if I
51:03
had the Grizzly 1. So I, it's probably not worth
51:05
$25.00 to me, but I, I mean, I, I, to be fair, I got the yak as
51:12
a present. One of my friends gave it to me
51:14
and I think it's probably it's expensive.
51:17
So I'm happy that people who can't afford the yak are able to
51:20
it's like 100,000 gold, which is expensive to some of us.
51:22
Manny stopping that face, but so I'm happy that everyone who
51:29
wants it can get it. But also at this point the yak
51:32
is so ubiquitous that like half of the city is just the transmog
51:36
icon from Mystic bird hat or whatever.
51:38
I don't know who's who. I just put it on so I can go and
51:40
get my repairs. So I to me it is.
51:46
It is. I'm happy for you all.
51:49
Enjoy your mount. Enjoy your mount, Shawn.
51:53
I just gifted it to you. Wait, did you really?
51:57
Shit, Sean's gifted live. OK, well, as one as the only
52:05
member of the cast that doesn't have the yak and is therefore
52:09
not in the pocket of Big Bear, I'm going to give the the truth
52:14
about. Let me explain why I'm gifting
52:17
it to Lex first. I'm a big fan.
52:20
When companies do things you don't like, we speak with our
52:23
wallet to let them know, hey, I don't want more of this and I
52:26
don't buy those things. But when they do stuff that I do
52:29
like, like let me spend money on the shop to maybe lead me into
52:33
tenders, I want them to know, hey, I like this, please do more
52:38
of it. So I bought another one for Lex.
52:40
You said you don't have one either, Manny.
52:42
I'm going to answer that after I give my objective opinion.
52:47
OK, OK, all right. So I first saw this mount and it
52:53
was the artist that made it that was saying like, oh, I designed
52:58
this mount. It's really cool that it's
53:00
finally, finally out. And I looked at it, I'm like,
53:02
that is a beautiful mount. And it's the Grizzly Hills
53:05
mount. And I want to tell you guys that
53:08
Blizzard recently has been doing a lot of things that came from a
53:12
hackathon where they just let the crew do whatever they want,
53:16
things that they love. We've seen some of this in the
53:20
anniversary event with the shield and sword and stuff being
53:23
in game, right? We have seen some of this with
53:26
what became Plunderstorm and Remix.
53:30
These are just different things that the artist did out of love
53:34
that they're like, yeah, we could throw that in the game.
53:37
And I believe that the bear is one of those.
53:39
This wasn't made as a money making thing, but just somebody
53:46
was like, man, I love Grizzly Hills.
53:47
I want to do a Grizzly Hills bear and they're like, oh, we
53:51
could totally put on the transmog and some functionality
53:56
on to that because of those cool, cool packs.
53:59
Let's start doing that. I'd love for them to do more
54:01
mounts like that because somebody might not like Grizzly
54:04
Hills, right? Definitely.
54:06
We've heard from people who don't like the Lucky do lines
54:10
and everything from that. Somewhere in the future we could
54:15
have a Brutus or mount that is not the Brutus or because people
54:22
are like, I don't want a Dino, I want something that is more
54:25
evocative of, I don't know, elementals or whatever.
54:27
So I do want them to to do these mounts more often, not with just
54:31
new functionality, but going back and giving alternatives
54:34
too. And so I I like this.
54:37
I definitely think that Blizzard has positioned this in a way to
54:41
be as minimally offensive as possible, that it does things
54:47
that the that has already been done.
54:50
It's not new functionality. It is the oldest functional
54:53
mount. It is not the same cost as any
54:59
other amount. It is cheaper than any other
55:02
amount, and that's not a discount.
55:04
That is as long as it remains on the store.
55:07
Please don't Disney vault this Blizzard.
55:09
Leave it on the store for a long, long time to come and the
55:15
alternative is in there that you can get if you decide that you
55:21
do not want to support store mounts for whatever reason.
55:25
So I think that this is really well placed in a very consumer
55:30
friendly way. So I will give it the pass
55:34
there. OK, now that I've said that,
55:37
yes, I haven't bought it yet. I do literally have the
55:40
Battle.net balance to buy it myself, Sean.
55:42
I just I just I I don't know. I'm I'm of two minds.
55:50
I'm sort of like I could get it. I could do like a race change.
55:57
I'm, I'm a little on the fence. I think it's a beautiful amount.
55:59
I think that if money was no object, I would totally pick it
56:03
up. I just I I'm.
56:05
You really want to be the only person on the cast who doesn't
56:07
have it. I can, I could be that I could
56:10
be that guy. It'll it'll be OK.
56:12
Are you not buying it cuz you're house poor?
56:16
I'm so sorry, man. We'll talk about that
56:18
differently. No, it's, it's totally fine.
56:21
He. He.
56:22
Refreshes a very normal thing that many people talk about like
56:25
a very real issue and it becomes the meme and you don't deserve
56:28
that. Manny, I'm sorry you're House 4.
56:31
Why not you? It's fine.
56:33
It's fine. Anyways, I I just think that you
56:40
do you have to be careful about how you spend money in the
56:43
message that it sends. Yes, Sean, you were you are
56:46
Speaking of that exactly that should.
56:47
You not where they should you not send the message that I
56:49
think $25.00 is a fair price for amount.
56:53
I mean, I've spent money on skins and Heroes of the Storm
56:57
and that was like $15 for the ability to transform Tacitar
57:02
into a transformer like thing. I was like, that is so cool.
57:05
Here you go Blizzard, here you go take my money.
57:08
I did not think of that for a second.
57:10
So I've been on that at that end where I'm like, I will do that,
57:13
right? I have, I bought games for
57:18
friends, but I'm like, this is an amazing game.
57:19
You've got to play it here. So like, yeah, definitely,
57:22
definitely think that what you're what you did with Lex is
57:27
a 100% great way of speaking, speaking with your wallet and
57:32
supporting that sort of stuff. So I, I I think that's great.
57:36
I bought collector's editions or epic editions because I'm like,
57:40
this game seems really good. I'm gonna I'm gonna do that.
57:44
But I also don't pre-order things because of that same
57:49
thing. So like there's a lot of speak
57:51
with your money, but I'm not going to tell somebody how they
57:53
should go about it. I, I will say I, I, I don't know
57:57
that this mount is really triggering this, but I, I do
58:00
feel that it should be verbalized.
58:02
I have always said that it is great for Blizzard to be selling
58:05
things so long as they are not affecting gameplay, that they
58:08
can sell anything that is cosmetic or like that doesn't
58:12
feel necessary, right? Anything that you could without
58:16
a huge, insane amount of effort unlock within the game, right.
58:19
I'm not saying everything needs to be easy, but everything is
58:22
manageable. I am getting my hackles up a
58:27
little bit, not fully, but a little bit, because it does
58:31
start to feel like Blizzard's experimenting with paying for
58:36
things that affect the game. I felt this a lot with early
58:38
access. And I mean, and the, the, the
58:43
other thing I will say is that I have said in multiple places
58:45
that because I liked early access so much, if early access
58:49
is available to pay for, I will always pay for it.
58:52
They have, if that's the experiment they're doing,
58:55
they've done successfully, like they've won.
58:56
I I I I won't be buying. A win, Blizzard.
58:59
Yeah, they, they, they did it. Like if they're gonna make a
59:01
feed away, I'm paying a win. With my wallet.
59:06
I don't I, I think for all of the reasons Manny gave, I'm not
59:09
concerned about this mount itself because you're right, it
59:12
really is. Most people have the yak.
59:13
It's very accessible. Also, this mount is not overly
59:16
affordable or overly expensive. Like it's, it's an affordable
59:19
price. Assuming that they don't, you
59:22
know, then remove the yak and say you have to buy it in the
59:25
the store. I'm not worried but I am but. $5
59:28
is 1 token, right? It's only one, so it's exactly
59:32
11 token as well. That might be why the price is
59:36
lower, because $32 would be. You'd have to have two tokens,
59:40
wouldn't you? Yeah, the regular price mounts.
59:43
Yeah. So this mount is exactly 1
59:46
token. That might be why the price is
59:48
what it is. That actually makes a lot of
59:50
sense. Tokens cost 2599 Canadian.
59:53
Yeah, yeah. Trust, Trust, but.
59:58
If you were to take the money, the gold, and then convert it
1:00:02
into a token, you wouldn't get as much, so it would still be
1:00:05
gold wise. You're going to have to throw
1:00:06
400 because tokens are like 200 right now.
1:00:09
OK, Yeah. So yeah, if you were going to
1:00:12
buy 2, two, 100K gold, you could just buy this mount instead.
1:00:17
Yeah, so they're being very thoughtful.
1:00:18
Or you could buy 200K gold and this mount.
1:00:25
Shawn just throwing money at Blizzard.
1:00:27
Lex is just surrending her wall and Shawn's like, no, here, have
1:00:30
mine take a break first. OK, let's talk about I'll pay
1:00:40
for her to win. Let's all win.
1:00:41
How much money do you need for us to all win?
1:00:43
Which I actually, I think that that is a very cool thing.
1:00:47
If somebody's like, let's, let's pay so everybody wins.
1:00:50
That feels so magnanimous and I think that is cool.
1:00:53
That said, something that is not controversial, that is an
1:00:57
absolute W is something that we covered last week, but there's
1:01:03
even more to it and I'm going to run through this quickly.
1:01:06
We covered through a lot of this last week.
1:01:09
I'm only going to talk about the stuff that we didn't cover last
1:01:11
week because after the Wow cast that covered the 20th
1:01:15
anniversary, they released the PTR patch notes for the build
1:01:19
and it's chock full of stuff that I don't know why they
1:01:23
mentioned this. This is huge.
1:01:26
So coming this around November, obviously, because that's when
1:01:31
the 20th anniversary is, we're going to get this patch and it
1:01:35
includes massive reworks for a number of classes, including
1:01:41
Shaman, balanced druids, dark Ranger, hunters, paladins.
1:01:46
And I mean, when I, when I say like paladins and shamans,
1:01:49
because I haven't specified like a hero spec or a speck, I mean
1:01:54
that they're hitting all levels of it.
1:01:56
They're hitting the class tree that the hero talent trees, the
1:02:00
speck tree as well. Massive reworks.
1:02:04
Beyond that there are new talents for a number of
1:02:08
different hero specs classes and such like the deathbringer, DKS,
1:02:12
restoration druids, beastmaster and marksman hunters, arc arcade
1:02:17
mages, Miss Weaver, monks and rogues.
1:02:19
All of them getting new talents and new functionality and some
1:02:22
stuff mixed around new visuals as well.
1:02:26
We were talking about like oh shaman get that new elemental,
1:02:32
the dark Rangers. People are saying that I don't
1:02:34
feel enough like a dark Ranger like Sylvanus or or Nathanos new
1:02:38
visuals that are really popping it in with that rework.
1:02:41
So whithering fire looks great guys.
1:02:44
This seems like it's going to be a massive patch.
1:02:49
Last thing that I got to mention, it's a pet peeve of
1:02:52
mine. A lot of the icons that they
1:02:57
redid the graphics for the spell so that they now feel more like
1:03:02
the class. These are the spells that came
1:03:04
from the covenants from shadow Lands.
1:03:06
They redid the graphics. They're going to be putting out
1:03:10
glyphs. So you can change it, change it
1:03:12
back, but the icons still look like the shadow Lands icons.
1:03:15
Well, they're fixing that now. All of these things are getting
1:03:19
changes so that if they it didn't agree with the class
1:03:22
fantasy, it now agrees with the class fantasy.
1:03:24
It looks like what it's supposed to be and there is so much more.
1:03:27
We covered so much of this and all of these huge highlights.
1:03:32
So even though these things seem big, there's even bigger things.
1:03:36
Go check out our last episode because it it's insane.
1:03:40
I'm going, I've been on the PTR. There's some bugs to test.
1:03:44
I really am worried about this because this feels like this is
1:03:47
going to be the least tested PTR ever because we just started
1:03:51
season 1 guys, there's so much reason to be on live.
1:03:54
There's so much that's still yet to come, but if you could spare
1:03:59
the time, pretty please get on there and test some bugs.
1:04:02
I found a absolutely broken bug where a stack that allows you to
1:04:08
cast an instant cast a boosted lightning bolt wasn't being
1:04:14
consumed, which meant that for the entire duration I got the
1:04:18
spam lightning bolt at extra power.
1:04:21
Definitely not intended. Go check out your specs guys.
1:04:25
They they need to do a bug test. We just had Lex be like hey
1:04:29
Blizzard if you let that pass well then you deserve to be
1:04:32
robbed. Please help help him out.
1:04:35
Blizzard doesn't need desert to be robbed again.
1:04:39
Except don't test. Anything from you guys?
1:04:41
I know I just kind of ran through that quickly because
1:04:42
we're hitting against the. Tie as long as no do test Demon
1:04:47
Hunter. If it's if it's a bad bug that's
1:04:49
gonna make it harder to play then report it, but if not, I
1:04:52
don't. I think Demon Hunter was
1:04:53
supposed to be easier. I don't think they're even
1:04:55
reworking Demon Hunter. It does so it doesn't matter.
1:04:57
But I think they should give me. I think they should make me more
1:04:59
powerful anyway. Just be just for fun.
1:05:03
They they slap down your metaflex.
1:05:05
Go check out the notes guys because even if I didn't talk
1:05:07
about it here, there are changes for a lot of classes including
1:05:11
warriors. Not.
1:05:12
Protection. There's a single.
1:05:13
There's a single line of text. For warrior fury and basic
1:05:17
warrior there's actually 3 lines.
1:05:21
Yeah, balloting at 3:00, but that's good.
1:05:23
That means words in a good spot right now.
1:05:25
But I'm OK with that, Yeah. Apparently my entreaties to
1:05:28
whoever the dev is that listens to Farazov fell on deaf ears.
1:05:33
You got gas lit by Sean? Maybe take another look at
1:05:36
Protection Warrior. Manny, I don't listen.
1:05:40
Fasdev, whoever you are, we appreciate you, OK?
1:05:45
Well, that is going to be it for us this week.
1:05:49
This was a really great episode, but we got to run.
1:05:51
We got to get back into the game.
1:05:53
Until next time though, may all your hits be crits.
1:05:57
Good night.