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Patriots Unfiltered 2/2: Reaction to Patriots Coordinators Announcement · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, could I please have your attention?
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  Speaker 2: This is a Patriots Unfiltered emergency podcast.
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  Speaker 5: not sure it qualifies as an emergency, but I think
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  Speaker 5: it's uh yeah, I think it's enough news where it
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  Speaker 5: warrants a special podcast, you know, so we're not gonna
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  Speaker 5: be talking till tuesday, right, so I didn't want to wait.
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  Speaker 1: No, yeah, this was the right move.
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  Speaker 6: We got coordinators, coordinators here, so coordinate.
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  Speaker 5: It's Deuce at s Evan, it's Paul, it's me, Matt Nabooth.
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  Speaker 5: And uh, of course, what prompted this is the hiring
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  Speaker 5: of Alex van Pelt yesterday as offensive coordinator. And that
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  Speaker 5: rounds out the coordinator positions.
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  Speaker 6: Of well, yeah, I mean all of them are official.
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  Speaker 6: The other two were reported. Yeah, no, it's all official.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so that was the release came out, so we're
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  Speaker 5: free to talk freely about that. And also I think,
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  Speaker 5: you know, again it's just a report, but I'm encouraged
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  Speaker 5: that they're looking for a new offensive line.
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  Speaker 6: Coachah that too, And also just right now. News news
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  Speaker 6: out right now that Steve Belichick and and Vinie Sinceri
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  Speaker 6: are interviewing with Washington with Jed Fish and his Washington
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  Speaker 6: Husky Husky the commanders. Okay, a little bit of juggling
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  Speaker 6: going on right now for sure across the board with
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  Speaker 6: all the coaches.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, all right, so let's let's start up. You know,
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  Speaker 5: so the news came so just little insider, we heard
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  Speaker 5: that Alex van Pelt was in the building and apparently
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  Speaker 5: they didn't leave, let him leave until he signed. So
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  Speaker 5: you know when you heard that, yes, what did you think?
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  Speaker 5: And now that they've signed him, what do you think?
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  Speaker 7: Me go first, all right, I like it.
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  Speaker 6: I mean I'm not I'm not blown away by it,
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  Speaker 6: but I like the fact that he's an experienced guy
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  Speaker 6: that he's been around. He seems like he's got a
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  Speaker 6: good reputation for, you know, working with quarterbacks. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: we talked on the show this year about the you know,
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  Speaker 6: admirable job that Cleveland did going through four quarterbacks, so
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  Speaker 6: you know.
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  Speaker 5: He was part of that and he deserves credit.
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  Speaker 6: I'm excited just that it's a new offense, It's something new.
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  Speaker 7: To kind of understand.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, Evan will will jump into, you know,
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  Speaker 6: some of what his impressions are of that offense, but overall,
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  Speaker 6: you know, it's just I think, look, we're we're rebuilding now,
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  Speaker 6: and you know you have to kind of hire the
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  Speaker 6: guys that are willing to come in and take this challenge,
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  Speaker 6: you know, of not really having a lot to work with.
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  Speaker 6: So I like it has He hasn't called plays. There
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  Speaker 6: are certainly he's kicked around a little bit, so there
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  Speaker 6: are some concerns as far as that.
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  Speaker 7: But I mean, honestly, with the end.
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  Speaker 6: Of the day, when you think about what kind of
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  Speaker 6: guys you're going to be getting, you're not going to
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  Speaker 6: get a perfect candidate probably here. So I think I
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  Speaker 6: think it's a good hire, you know, but we'll have
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  Speaker 6: to see how it goes.
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  Speaker 1: Evan.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, we can get into the scheme stuff. Just in general,
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  Speaker 3: you do hear a lot of good things about his culture,
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  Speaker 3: that he's a culture builder, a guy that players really
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  Speaker 3: like gravitating towards and playing for. And I know that
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  Speaker 3: people in Cleveland were a little bit taken aback and
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  Speaker 3: maybe even disappointed that him and Stunt Mitchell and some
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  Speaker 3: of the other staff was let go. I think that's
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  Speaker 3: a big part of it that we should discuss as well.
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  Speaker 3: They're running backs coach Stumpt Mitchell is one of the
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  Speaker 3: best in the business and he's a free agent, so
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  Speaker 3: it's a potential guy that could come here. They also
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  Speaker 3: parted ways with their tight ends coach that was on
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  Speaker 3: Van Pelt's staff, so maybe those two guys end up
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  Speaker 3: here in New England in the same roles with the Patriots.
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  Speaker 3: So I love the experience. I think when you look
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  Speaker 3: at the other three coaches really, including Girodmeo, there wasn't
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  Speaker 3: a ton of experience. There wasn't a ton of guys
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  Speaker 3: that have been in the league a lot. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: like too worried about the play calling. I think that
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  Speaker 3: gets a little bit overrated at times. I think the
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  Speaker 3: one thing that worries me is that they made a
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  Speaker 3: decision to move on from him because of the usage
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  Speaker 3: of Deshaun Watson in the offense. And they're married to
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  Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson. They have to make Deshaun Watson work and
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't a good fit for the things that they
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  Speaker 3: were doing schematically with Watson. So I look at the
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  Speaker 3: draft and say, is Jaden Daniels really a fit now
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  Speaker 3: for what they're going to be doing. Is Caleb Williams
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  Speaker 3: really a fit for what they're going to be doing.
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  Speaker 5: Well, we'll get out, we'll get into that. You know,
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  Speaker 5: there's no time limit here, but you know, a week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, And I would agree with the boys. I
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  Speaker 1: like the experience factor. We've made a lot of a
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  Speaker 1: lot of these guys hadn't really ever worked with quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 1: He has, So I like those kinds of elements. Eighteen
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  Speaker 1: years in the NFL, so yeah, And I do like
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  Speaker 1: his reputation. I heard some of the same stuff that
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  Speaker 1: Evan did about players coach. You know, he was well
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  Speaker 1: liked and talked to some media guys, and evidently in
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  Speaker 1: Cleveland it wasn't necessarily a Stefanski decision. It was high
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  Speaker 1: above you know, so it was more from the ownership GM.
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  Speaker 1: I like him even more now, well, yeah, because it's
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily like Kevin Stefanski. I think he's done a
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  Speaker 1: pretty good job as a football coach. He didn't say
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  Speaker 1: I got to get rid of this coordinator. He's not
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  Speaker 1: doing the job. It was, you know, above him. So
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  Speaker 1: I do feel better about it.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, one of your guys. Paul was on the
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  Speaker 5: radio this morning, Albert Breer from the MMQB, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: he was saying the same thing. He said, people in
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  Speaker 5: Cleveland loved him, you know. So this wasn't like a
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  Speaker 5: performance driven decision over there.
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  Speaker 1: No, because if you look at the performance, it's exactly
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  Speaker 1: what Mike said. I mean, he said he won games
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  Speaker 1: with four different quarterbacks, forced to use five, and they
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  Speaker 1: lost Nick Chubb, who was by far and away their
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  Speaker 1: best player. On offense, they went through a litany of
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  Speaker 1: offensive lineman, which is a big time strength of the team. Now,
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  Speaker 1: those are all the pluses, I would say. The minuses
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  Speaker 1: for me are stylistic. I think he runs the ball
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  Speaker 1: more than I like.
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  Speaker 5: But that's just a job.
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  Speaker 1: That's just a me thing. Yeah no, but that's the
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  Speaker 1: way they play.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was what I was getting at as well.
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  Speaker 1: There.
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  Speaker 3: Their scheme, their run scheme is fantastic. It's diverse, it's
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  Speaker 3: one of the best in the league. They run zone,
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  Speaker 3: they run man schemes, they run everything under the sun,
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  Speaker 3: which they do they do. That's actually one of their
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  Speaker 3: favorite bil it one of their favorites out of the
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  Speaker 3: gun and at on their se zone blocking scheme, little
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  Speaker 3: zone blocking. So they when they started with when they
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  Speaker 3: started with Stefan Ski early on the first couple of years,
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  Speaker 3: they were a wide zone team. That was what they did.
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  Speaker 3: And then, like a lot of these wide zone teams,
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  Speaker 3: teams started to adjust to that system and that scheme,
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  Speaker 3: so they started running it down hill more and to
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  Speaker 3: try to combat that. So I think the biggest concern though,
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  Speaker 3: is that they want to play under center. They want
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  Speaker 3: to play out a heavy personnel groupings, and when you
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  Speaker 3: start to think about where they go personnel wise, to
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  Speaker 3: Paul's point, it's just that's the type of offense that
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna be. They're gonna be a run offense that
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  Speaker 3: runs play action off of all the run action, and
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  Speaker 3: that's how they're going to try to generate their big
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  Speaker 3: plays is off of play act, which is not a
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  Speaker 3: bad thing. It just fits a certain type of people
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  Speaker 3: and a certain type of person So.
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  Speaker 5: Now this guy, before he was at Cleveland, he was
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  Speaker 5: at Green Bay for a little bit, and at that time,
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  Speaker 5: Elliott Wolf was at Green Bay. So is this an
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  Speaker 5: Elliott Wolf.
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  Speaker 1: Could influence tiring they did?
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  Speaker 6: They touched, Yeah, Well, he's got a couple of connections
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  Speaker 6: Paul for Flacco. Obviously you're a big Flaco fan. And
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  Speaker 6: then he backed up Ledsoe in Buffalo a little bit,
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  Speaker 6: so you got you know, you have some connections to him.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, hey Alex so yeah, you know Drew.
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  Speaker 1: I know Drew. I don't need him.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, so isn't too awesome?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I know that.
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  Speaker 1: Again, I don't need him.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So you think Evan he comes in with a
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  Speaker 5: certain philosophy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that Schematically, when you watch their their film,
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  Speaker 3: the best thing that they do is run the ball
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  Speaker 3: and then mary play action off of the run. They
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  Speaker 3: run a lot of bootleg, and they run a lot
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  Speaker 3: of different pullers where they'll they'll pull lineman, get that
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  Speaker 3: to influence linebackers to step up the run gaps and
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  Speaker 3: then hit David Njoku for a cross or behind it
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  Speaker 3: or something like that. So when you look at personnel
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  Speaker 3: under center, being able to be a little bit nimble
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  Speaker 3: to bootleg is a big thing. And just in general,
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  Speaker 3: those are the types of things that a lot of
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  Speaker 3: these college quarterbacks that are coming in don't have a
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  Speaker 3: ton of experience with. I think I saw a stat
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  Speaker 3: that there's a combined maybe sixty snaps under center between
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  Speaker 3: the top five quarterbacks in this draft, because the college
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  Speaker 3: game is all spread, right, It's all gun, spread, air
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  Speaker 3: raid like all that kind of stuff. So marrying a
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  Speaker 3: quarterback like I'm not putting Jayden Daniels under center twenty
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  Speaker 3: five times a game. It just doesn't make any sense
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  Speaker 3: for his skill set. And I think that's what Cleveland
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  Speaker 3: ran into with Deshaun Watson, that it just didn't make
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  Speaker 3: sense to run this type of offense to a t
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  Speaker 3: at least with a guy like Deshaun Watson who wants
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  Speaker 3: the field spread, that wants to be able to run.
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  Speaker 3: So that's gonna be interesting in Cleveland if that's the
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  Speaker 3: direction that they're.
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  Speaker 5: Going to move it. So what I'm getting at is,
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  Speaker 5: do you think now that now that we've got Alex
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  Speaker 5: van Pelt, that's going to strongly influence who they want
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  Speaker 5: as quarterbacks?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, so Ian Rappaport was on the radio or
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  Speaker 6: it was on TV, you know, within the last hour
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  Speaker 6: basically saying that he's going to be heavily involved with
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  Speaker 6: the development of whoever the next quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: So I didn't listen to it.
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  Speaker 5: I saw the quotes, but the selection who they select, right, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Right, you know, and I do agree with what Evan's
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  Speaker 1: talking about now, the things that we don't know, like
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  Speaker 1: just as a we're writing this stuff up. As you said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we sort of got word that Alex Vappelt
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  Speaker 1: was in the building yesterday, so you try to get
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  Speaker 1: a little prepared. And I just did you know elementary
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  Speaker 1: Google search, just like you know Kevin Stefanski's offense, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like what and you get all kinds of like uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Reddit kind of stuff, and you get different
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  Speaker 1: and everything that stack. Yeah, well Evan just talked about
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  Speaker 1: is like, you know, the heavy play action misdirection. I
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  Speaker 1: kind of thought back to the old Denver, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in towards the end of like Elway and then into
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  Speaker 1: like Jake Plummer with under center, the hard you know,
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  Speaker 1: play action we're going to show with the half boot
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  Speaker 1: and throw it back. And I remember, just anecdotally, I
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  Speaker 1: Knowduce you always get amazed by this, but Flacco hit
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of these in December, you know, these these
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  Speaker 1: balls downfield, you know, hitting Nadjoku who's basically uncovered at
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  Speaker 1: the opposite hash. So that you can make big plays
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  Speaker 1: in the passing game with that if you have a
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  Speaker 1: big arm. And the question that I don't know is
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  Speaker 1: is that Stefanski's offense that Van Pelt adapted to or
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  Speaker 1: is that the way Van Pelt wants to play? Also,
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  Speaker 1: how heavily involved was he in game planning? I know
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't calling the plays, but kind of agree with
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  Speaker 1: Evan on that's that individual element's a little overrated. But
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if he wants to play a different way
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  Speaker 1: or if that's his style. If that's his style, I
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  Speaker 1: don't love that stuff. I think that's kind of a
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  Speaker 1: hit or miss thing, Like if you don't hit those plays,
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  Speaker 1: your offense kind of bogs down.
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  Speaker 6: Well, especially where you got just Rmandra Stevenson. So what
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  Speaker 6: kind of run game are you going to be play
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  Speaker 6: actioning out of? You know, like I mean that that
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  Speaker 6: have to be rebuilt.
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  Speaker 5: They kind of have to have the threat of the
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  Speaker 5: run before that works work to be done there. So
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  Speaker 5: throw me a name that sin Alex Van Pelt pick
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  Speaker 5: at quarterback Drake May.
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  Speaker 3: If I was the Patriots, I would run the card
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  Speaker 3: up to the podium. If Drake May is at the table,
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  Speaker 3: if this is the way that they're going to play,
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  Speaker 3: he's the only guy out of those top three quarterbacks
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  Speaker 3: that I feel really good about.
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  Speaker 5: It and to get Drake May. Is that going to
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  Speaker 5: require making a move to number two?
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  Speaker 3: It could? It could. I mean Daniel Jeremiah's on TV.
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  Speaker 3: He said, Patriots guaranteed that you would lock it in
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  Speaker 3: quarterback commanders, he said he wouldn't guarantee that they're going
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  Speaker 3: to take a quurt.
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  Speaker 5: So let me ask a strategy question. If you're at
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  Speaker 5: number three and you're trying to move to two, but
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  Speaker 5: there's other people below you that want to move to
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  Speaker 5: two the person at too, isn't it better to do
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  Speaker 5: the deal with the people that are behind the Patriots
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  Speaker 5: because I'm gonna get more because they have to move up.
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  Speaker 3: Further depends on who you want. Like if the commanders
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  Speaker 3: are sitting there saying that they need to leave with
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  Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, so they have to have the three spots.
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  Speaker 3: Then you have to have the three spot. I just
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  Speaker 3: I look at Drake May and I see the mobility
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  Speaker 3: to run some of these bootleg actions. I see the
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  Speaker 3: arm strength to push the ball down the field that
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  Speaker 3: they want in this offense. You know a lot of
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  Speaker 3: Joe Flacco's throws were vertical throws. He threw the ball
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  Speaker 3: down the field on vertical players a ton, and so
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  Speaker 3: that's that's something that they need to do. And you
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  Speaker 3: look at this offense and you look at the splits
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  Speaker 3: with Flacco with Watson. Flacco off his couch was better
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  Speaker 3: than Deshaun Watson was in this offense, which is crazy
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  Speaker 3: to think about, but that was the reality for Cleveland.
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  Speaker 3: And so that type of quarterback, big arm, a little
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  Speaker 3: bit nimble to get out of the pocket on the bootlegs,
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  Speaker 3: sell play action fakes, that sort of thing. That's that's
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  Speaker 3: the guy. That's the guy that fits this up.
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  Speaker 5: On how much does it cost to go from two
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  Speaker 5: to three? I mean from three to.
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  Speaker 3: Two depends on what's for sale, Like if you have
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  Speaker 3: other teams that also want Drake May, then it becomes
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  Speaker 3: a bidding war, and then it can be a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Some years it's not that much. It depends on what's
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  Speaker 3: for sale.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, all right, Now, I also heard that Van Pelt
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  Speaker 5: has connections with Callahan, who is a renowned offensive.
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  Speaker 3: So he's going to Tennessee. But yeah, so he That's
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  Speaker 3: a big part of it too, is that Bill Callahan
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  Speaker 3: is like Dante Scarneki a level, right, So how much
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  Speaker 3: of their run game success and their blocking success was
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  Speaker 3: due to both talent on the offensive line and the
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  Speaker 3: fact that they had like a scar coaching the offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: So that's why it's a really I know, Andy Dickerson,
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  Speaker 3: they've they're really interested in. According to Reese, who's with
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  Speaker 3: the Seahawks, been with the Rams a little bit like that,
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  Speaker 3: that's a really important hire, is offensive line coach if
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  Speaker 3: this is what they're gonna be.
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  Speaker 1: So he was here.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's important anyway. I don't care who is
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  Speaker 5: the OC. They need good coaching for the offense.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm encouraged, Like we you and I talked on
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  Speaker 1: Thursday and unfiltered Fred and I kind of felt like
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  Speaker 1: it was going to be Clem. I'm encouraged by the
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  Speaker 1: fact that that report was out there, that Mike threw
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  Speaker 1: out there about Andy Dickerson, not necessarily because of him
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  Speaker 1: because he was here. I don't I don't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but just that they're looking Yeah, I thought they were
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  Speaker 1: sort of married to Clem. I like the fact that
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  Speaker 1: they're saying, well, we have Clem if we want them,
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  Speaker 1: but what are other options. I like the fact that
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  Speaker 1: you explore a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, now it's it's coming together. I mean, should
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  Speaker 6: we talk about the other two guys too?
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  Speaker 7: Are we already down there?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we can, you know.
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  Speaker 7: I mean it's just how it's all come together.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the other two guys too, and the rest.
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  Speaker 6: But now, I just you know, with Belichick and Steve
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  Speaker 6: Belichick interviewing with with Jetfish and stuff, I mean, I
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  Speaker 6: think it offers, you know, maybe a little bit more
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  Speaker 6: clarity of what direction that's going. So you know, I'm
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  Speaker 6: just I'm curious because as we're starting to get in
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  Speaker 6: the draft stuff. And of course Evan, I mean he
• 14:53
  Speaker 6: just came back from the Senior Bowl.
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  Speaker 7: He was in Alabama yesterday.
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  Speaker 6: You know, it's it's now, it's it gives you a
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  Speaker 6: sense of what kind of play am I looking for. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: he talked about Drake may where you know yesterday it's
• 15:03
  Speaker 6: and even with Evan's piece with mac Grow where you know,
• 15:06
  Speaker 6: with the uncertainty of who your coordinators are going to be,
• 15:09
  Speaker 6: how do you how do you how do you scout
• 15:10
  Speaker 6: these guys? So plug for Evan, gonna go read what
• 15:13
  Speaker 6: Macro had to say. But now I think you're starting
• 15:16
  Speaker 6: to get a little bit of clarity, and you know
• 15:18
  Speaker 6: it's it's I like that the continuity's going to remain
• 15:21
  Speaker 6: on the defensive side of the ball now that you
• 15:23
  Speaker 6: know we have that that part of its set.
• 15:24
  Speaker 7: I think Covington will do a good job.
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: A big part of the next couple of weeks before
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: the combine is Macro, Cameron Williams, Elliott Wolf getting with
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: Alex van Pelt and saying what do you need, like,
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: what kind of players do you need to fit this offense?
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: Because you know, this is who we have the list
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: of guys that we feel like fit what you want
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: to do. And that's what they told me was that
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: we have guys that we feel like fit in a
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: man blocking scheme, we have guys that fit zone, we
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: have guys that fit spread under center, whatever. And then
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: we get with the coach and then we say, what
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: do you want? These are the ten guys that we
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: think fit that mold. And I that that's what the
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: next couple of weeks will be about going into Indy
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: so that they can start to put together their interview
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: list and do all that.
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: I think one other interesting thing too, just to t
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: Evan Up was talking about mac Jones in this offense and.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, no, yeah, no. I mean you talking
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: about a guy that he needs to get outside the pocket,
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: needs to throw the ball down the field vertically. No,
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: but I think that you look at the places that
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: you need. They need a quarterback no matter what we know,
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: that offensive line now becomes I think an even bigger
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: need than it maybe even was already a major need before.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: And that explosive David and Joku type tight end is
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: also I think a big part of what Cleveland has
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: been able to do recently. It's probably too rich to
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: take it in the first round with brock Bauers, but
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: like a guy like Jatavian Sanders from Texas that's built
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: a lot like in Djoku, you know, just watching their
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: film over the last twenty four hours since the high
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: David and Joku was a massive part of that offense
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: last year, and his ability to stretch the field vertically
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: off of all that run action was a huge part
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: of why they hit so many big plays with Joe
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Flacco at quarterback. And he's he's a really really good
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: tight end, and I think that that's something that now
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: becomes a big need.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Good athlete the last half of the year. He took
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: it to a different level in Joku, and that is
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: coinciding with Flacco.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Everybody was speaking of Flacco. He is a free agent.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying Flacco. Jacoby Brissette was there the year
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: before with Van Pelt. Like those guys now as bridge
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: backup quarterbacks are totally in play, I would think retirement.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: Is there any chance, you know now that the Patriots
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: don't pick a quarterback with their selection?
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: I think so. I mean, Evan laid it out.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I mean there's always a chance if they don't, But
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: I think they will.
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: I mean, are you saying in the like just generally
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: seven rounds, no quarterback?
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, at three you're saying that threat three. Yeah,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I think they will.
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: But is there any chance that they don't pick a
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: quarterback and they don't pick Marvin Harrison?
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Yes, I think that there's a really good chance that
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: they take one of these tackles three. I was when
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: I was at the Combine or the Combine, the Senior Bowl.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: There's so many tackles in this class.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: So then don't take one of three, so they don't
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: have my sheet.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Then there's a chance. I think that you can take
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: a tackle in the beginning of the second round at
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: thirty four, let's say, and take them. But if you
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: start to talk about scheme fit at quarterback, if you're
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: not getting Drake May and you really don't think you're
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: you're my thinking and don't think that the other two
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: guys are fits in this type of offense, then some
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: of the guys that maybe be available a little bit
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: later in the draft might be better fits, like JJ McCarthy,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Michael Pennix, Bo Nicks. You know, those types of guys
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: might be better off in this type of offense than
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: somebody like Jayden Daniels.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: If Alex Van Pelt was sitting here right now, would
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: he say, wait a minute, just because this is the
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: offense that we ran doesn't mean I can't run another offense.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Well, Cleveland didn't think he could. Yeah, but I'm not
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: I'm not disagreeing with you, but there.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: And I also think that in general terms, and I
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: get what Evan's talking about with Deshaun Watson and Flacco,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: but I I also think that it was getting better
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: with Watson when he got hurt. And if Cleveland thought
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: that those guys wouldn't be able to do it. I mean,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: you look at their quarterback death chart. What did they have?
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: They had Watson, they had a rookie in dt R,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: and they had Matisse's guy, Jay Walker, who's the PJ
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: PJ Walker. Jay Walker is the college analyst. I just
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: pulled a fred So I don't think any of those
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: three would be considered that kind of Flacco. You know,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: misdirection under center, got their spread. They're spread guys that
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: want to, you know, make plays with their legs and stuff.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: So cle One didn't necessarily think that that offense couldn't
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: work with a different kind of quarterback. So I don't
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: dismiss it that you can make some adjustments to your
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: scheme and figure out how to be successful. I think
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: they lost so much personnel Cleveland last year they had
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: to find something, some kind of a niche that they
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: could be successful with and to turn out to be flaccoah,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: you know, throwing play actions.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: I'd hate to be a coordinator in this league defense
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: or offense and be pegged as this is what I do,
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: and this is only what I do.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I mean that's I wouldn't mind it
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: if I did it.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, well that's a good point.
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: But everybody's got their thing right that they believe in
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: and what they've come up and how they've learned it,
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: you know, And that's and that's I mean.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: You can't but like work pretty well from mcvehish and
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden you're on a team with Caleb Williams.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: Maybe you need to believe in something else.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, of course, yeah, And you got to evolve.
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: And I mean I think that's probably what's going on
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: now with Mayo and him and you know, and and
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: grow and and you know, they're all coming together and
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: trying to figure out what what is this offense going
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: to be because I mean, it's not going to be
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: just he's going to come in and just run his offense.
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think they're going to have to have
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: some input from the coaches, some collaboration.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: That's my point though about the personnel, fred I would
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: hate to be a coordinator that said, no, I don't
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: want Caleb Williams. He doesn't fit my system.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: You have a bad system if you can't adapt it
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: to the guy who has the most talents coming out
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: of come on out of college, you know, I know,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Patrick mahomes will not work and this, I mean, that's stupid.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to be pigeonholed like that. But if
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I have a system that works and good players can
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: adapt to my system, like like I said, McVeigh and
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Shanahan have very specific you know, it's it's very similar
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: that you know, it's kind of the same offense, just
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: out of like different personnel groups, right, you know, like
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: like the Rams use a lot of three receiver Yeah,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I was, you know, less full back when just watching
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: it since last night, I would say that this Brown's
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: offense mimics more like what the Lions are doing in
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Detroit than what the Shanahan tree is doing.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Okay, because of how much power scheme they run. They
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: run a lot more counter trap you know, tackle wrap duo.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Like it's not as much of the wide zone stuff
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: as it was a couple of years ago with Stefanski.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: But you can adapt it to Jaden Daniels. I just
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: think that now you're adapting it, right, and now they're
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: kind of outside their comfort zone. The quarterback is the
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: coordinator is sort of learning a new thing as well.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, the easiest way to adapt it is what
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: the Dolphins have done with Tua, which is running pistol
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: and you run all the same boot actions, but you're
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: running it out.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Of which is what they started to do with Watson
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: when he finally started to play well.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: I would figure that as soon as that was a
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: big thing that McDaniel started to do when he got
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: to Miami, because Tua's doesn't love being under center. He's
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: a shorter quarterback. He doesn't love being under center, and
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: so they put him in the pistol. And now you
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: can still make the same bootleg stretch sort of action
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: and turn your back to the line of scrimmage, but
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: you're doing it from a more comfortable spot than than
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: under center for the quarterback. So maybe that it's as
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: simple as that, and and now you have a solution.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: But it's a problem I'd love to have with Jayden daniels. I.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: I just if you told me, like, who's the most
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: ideal quarterback to have in this offense, it's it's not
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: So I was listening to UH one of Paul's stations
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: last night and old friend Andy Hart was on with
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: Keith and Andy.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Hated hated, doesn't really.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: He wanted he wanted Josh McDaniels.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought he wanted Nick Kayley wanted but he said,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I think that's his first choice.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: But I think, you know, he would have rather have
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: Josh McDaniels than I don't want the.
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: Full to come back as.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: They use a little bit of.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: He hated this, and like you, I think it was
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: I think it was just a little bit nied. But listen,
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: I'm encouraged that they went out of their comfort zone
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: me too. You know, interviewed a lot of people, settled
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: out a guy who hasn't been here before, although he
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: does have the connection perhaps to Elliott Wolf. But that's great.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: And it sounds like they're looking at other positioned coaches
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: as well on offense, which is you know double great.
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, seems like the running back coaches coaching, you know,
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: is this interviewing with Washington too?
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: Right now?
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: So you know what's gonna happen with Troy Brown who
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: was down in the Senior Bowl.
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: Is he gonna you know, stick around?
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: So I mean it's I guess that's you know, as
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: Evan said, I think the offensive line coaches is a
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: big one coming up. Is there going to be a
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: quarterback coach maybe coming with him or is he going
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: to serve in that dual role. But that's you know,
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: we're kind of checking boxes going down the line right now.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: But now that the that the coordinators are in place,
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: hopefully the other stuff will happen quick.
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: And is it going to be a big staff, you know,
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: Like that's what I'm wondering now, like they you know,
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: we're notoriously a small staff with Bill. Are they going
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: to get away from that? Are they going to try
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: to expand a little bit and bring more guy?
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I think it'll look bigger because I think Mayo told
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: you that at his press commence that titles do matter
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: to him. So I don't think you're going to have
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: four or five guys behind the scenes doing stuff that
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: you don't know. I think there'll be someone, you know,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: What it'll be coach wide receiver.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: They'll have that like everybody else does, but control coach. Yes,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: maybe they'll have those which that they never really they
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: just have like these random coaching assistants because they don't,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: you know, because Bill never believed. Yeah, he never believed
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: in the titles.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: And I think, yeah, I think you look at a
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: lot of the staffs around the league. That was like
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: quality control coaches or whatever. Some teams just call them
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: offensive defensive assistants that are just there to hand the handle,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: like the spillage. You know, just what what's left over that,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: you know, not all these guys and all that kind
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: of stuff when you start talking about all that kind
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: of stuff, like should the wide receiver coach really be
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: doing that or is there bigger things, you know, bigger
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: fish to fry for these position coaches?
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: At times you might know the seven is patting plays
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: something that the Patriots only do or do all teams do?
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: I think all teams do it, but they made it
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: like it was like something they invented.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: It's a it's a massive Belichick thing.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Oh is it? It's amazing he spent in the length.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: He's been gone for less than a month now.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: But but you say all teams do it.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: I'm sure all teams have some sort of system. But
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Bill was notoriously picky too, Like if you had a
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: guy that you had him at the seven technique instead
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: of the nine technique, you're getting chewed out right, Like
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: it was like that detailed, and I think it was
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: this like the manner in which it was recorded, like
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: as technology improved, he wanted it done the same way.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: According to some of those guys that, like I told you,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I used to you know, that was one of the
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: original features I did. Was with Josh and Brian Dable
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: when they were doing that right, and you know, we're like,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: we try to tell him, like, you know, there's there's
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: more like computerized weight.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: No, he wanted it. I haven't just said by hand
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: and exact Yeah, but I love I loved though, like
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: say like that they like invent everything.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: Oh now we can say that. I guess obviously, padding
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: plays it makes you kind of learn because you're down
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: in the weeds. But there are electronic ways to do
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: it a lot faster.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I would think, Yeah, now I don't know how they
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: do it now. That was that was quite a while ago,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: but I know that Bill was sort of that it
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: needed to be.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: He had one of our videos that had I forget
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: who it was one of the older coaches that came
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: decided to become a coach at like forty or something
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: like that. It was a big discussion with his wife,
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: forget his name. We did a do your Job on
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: him and he was talking about Patting plays. Who was
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: that guy just last year? I think we did it
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: just last year. Yeah, one of our coaches that he
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: decided to become a scout or you know, at an
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: older age. No, no, no, this hope for you. No,
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: I'll have to It was a it was a you know,
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: a mini do your job about this guy. Oh no,
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: he might have been part of a bigger one. He was.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: He was part of the scouting And there was a
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: segment about this guy who you know, made this decision
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: that I want to do this. I'm gonna have to
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: make sacrifices. I talked to my wife, We're gonna have
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: to downsize, but this is what I really want to do.
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: You don't call his name acall all right?
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Not recall all right? Doesn't.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: I'm sure one of our listeners will will educate me
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: on our own content. All right. Eight five five PATS
• 28:31
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• 28:34
  Speaker 5: pages dot COM's the email address. The phone lines are stacked,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: emails are coming in. Wow, so uh yeah.
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: They are stacked.
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: I thought that they were empty, but they're actually completely full.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: So let's start with Arthur in New York. What's up, Arthur?
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Hey, how's it going. Fred told me to call back,
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: So I had a couple of things I wanted to say.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: The first thing was actually to Evan though, when he
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: was talking about this offense under Van Pelt has Drake
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: May written.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: All over it.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: It fits him like a glove. This screams Drake May.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: We got to run the card to the to the
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: pedestal or whatever it's called.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Well, my question is.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: He spent more time odium thank you, He spent more
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: time in the Green Bay organization than he did in Cleveland.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: So to assume that everything he's learned is just this
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Thefanski offense, I don't think that we know that. And
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: also he spent more time in the Buffalo organizations than
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: he did in you know, Cleveland as well, and he
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: spent time in Tampa Bay and Cincinnati. And if we're
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: hiring a new OC, we got to hope that this
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: guy has his own bright ideas and then he's his
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: own mastermind, and that it's not just a copy and
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: paste the Fanski offense. But like you know, he's just
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: some sort of offensive genius like a Ben Johnson or
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: a Sean McVay or one of those.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Guys, you know, when you guys that run similar offenses.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: But like, so I'm saying, how do we know that?
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: We just got to go get Drake May and he's
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: the ideal fit and it's not you know, Jayden Daniels
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: could be a better fit because we don't really actually
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: know what Alex van Pelts all about. He's been in
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: five six different organizations, learning under five six different coaching staff.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: It's a fair point. I just I'm going off of
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: what I know, what we know, and what's the most
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: recent I mean, I don't know what I'm supposed to
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: do other than that, I can't. If you want to
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: go back ten years and look at his offense in
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Green Bay, then we can do that, But it's what
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: has he been doing recently? What is his mo Mike
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: McCarthy also runs a more West Coast based system that's
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: similar to this, So that's what they're doing in Dallas
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: right now. So like, look, I every scheme can be
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: adapted to everybody can fit everything to an extent. But
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: I'm just telling you what I think, and that is
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: that if you had to pick a quarterback out of
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: this class that fits what they do the best, it
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: would be Drake Made Does that mean that Jaden Daniels
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: would fail in this system automatically, No, of course not.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: Well you adapt the system a little bit to him.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And I would agree, Arthur, just that you
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: would more likely go to what a guy has been
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: doing most recently. You know, I know he's been in
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of systems, but I'm not really sure what
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: the buffalo from But you know, let me tell you
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: about twenty years ago would have to do with what
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: he's going to do now.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: That was the one time he actually did a call plays. Yeah,
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: it was Ryan Fitzpatrick, who is the quarterback who's the
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: opposite of West Coast. Ryan Fitzpatrick's gunslinger. Let's throw it,
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: let's go.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Crazy, right, and he hasn't done that in fifteen years,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: So what does that tell you about his mentality?
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: But he's learned in four different other offenses, So to
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: just assume that it's the fanski I think is yeah, No.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: You're right, definitely, You're right. We won't we don't want
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: to just assume. But I'm just asking what do you
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: think is most likely that he wants to be a
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: gunslinger throwing it all over the place, or he likes
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: this kind of a system that he's been in the
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: last four years.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Most likely is that a guy like Evan is an
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: up and coming reporter and until he sits down with
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Alex van Felt and has a conversation that we don't know.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: So you know, that's something I want to I want
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: to embrace the like the conflict. But he's just so snarky, like.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: All right, thanks, Arthur.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: He's a Jaden Daniels guy, if I remember.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, he yelled at me yesterday for suggesting
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: that Jayden Daniels is a little bit of a project
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: in terms of a passer.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: How dare you? But no, I understand what he's saying,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: And no one's saying that Alex van Pelt doesn't have
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: the chops to like switch his offense or in a
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels. But I'm still saying that if they had
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: the choice, and they had the number one pick in
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: the draft, and they could choose any quarterback, and they
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: told me that this is this is your coordinator, I
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: would think that this would be the way that he
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: would gravitate towards. That's all.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: And I'm also not saying that Jaden Daniels shouldn't be
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: taken because this guy's system is different. I would say,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: adapt your system to Jayden Daniels. If you think Daniels
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: is worth that pick, well.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: Hopefully we'll have Jerrad on the show at some point.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: And you keep promising that.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah. One of the questions that I want to ask
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: is with these coordinators, what's the one or two things
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: about each guy that convinced you that they're the guy?
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: You know? And when he gets Alex van Pelt, I
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: wonder what that is, you know, because obviously they must
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: have talked about kind of offense. Are you most comfortable
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: with what players? You know, blah blah blah. And then
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: at some point maybe they said to him, here's our
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: board or you know, I guess, and here's the quarterback
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: that we think we want to take. What do you
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: think about that? You know?
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I look, I have to go by what they
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: told me. I don't know how much of it was
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: lip servers or not. But Macro and Cam Williams insisted
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: that there is no board yet because you still because
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: you still have Senis Moore to go far enough in
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: terms of interviews, combine measurables, you know, testing numbers. Obviously
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: they have a film grade on everybody right?
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Would you ask when the board is done if they
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: could forward that.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I asked for the PDP. They turned me to just
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: go and take a picture of it, but I yeah that.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: So a lot of this I think is to to
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: be determined of what they you know, A big part
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: of it is leadership. Obviously it's a leadership position, so
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: a big part of it is mental makeup and leadership
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. But it's also football.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Iq Ski even fit all that stuff too, So there's
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: a long way to go.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: Let's go to Zach in Pennsylvania. What's up, Zach?
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: Hey, guys, how you doing good? Hey?
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: Good?
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: First of all, just first time caller, and I was
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: a little bummed yesterday when we heard the news break
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: two hours after last week's show, So I'm really happy
• 34:19
  Speaker 8: to hear that we're also doing an emergency pod today,
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: But just wanted to give my first main takeaways about
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: Van Pelt would mainly just be his experience with the quarterbacks.
• 34:28
  Speaker 8: I think it's huge and fourth them in his actual
• 34:31
  Speaker 8: play calling experience. I'm willing to look past that just
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: because he's also been an assistant for so long in
• 34:37
  Speaker 8: the NFL. That those two things together just give me
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: some relief and some optimism. Optimism that no matter what
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: we do at quarterback, whether it's a bridge guy or
• 34:46
  Speaker 8: in the draft, that like, we're going to have someone
• 34:47
  Speaker 8: who can can handle a quarterback maybe from start to finish,
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: or just get someone up to speed fast enough to
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: maybe move this along a little faster than maybe what
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: we were thinking two days ago. But my main question
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: for the group just done and then I'll take it
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: off the air, is you know, even yesterday we interviewed
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: twelve people and you know, with a list was dwindling
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: and kind of wasn't feeling so great about who was
• 35:11
  Speaker 8: left on the board. And then all of a sudden, this,
• 35:13
  Speaker 8: you know, Van Pelt guy comes out of nowhere, and
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: we hear about all this experience and how well respected
• 35:18
  Speaker 8: he is. So just thinking about how we were feeling yesterday,
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: and you know this the excitement that we have about
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: him today Van Telt coming like looking at that list
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: and Van felt like, do we think that this is
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: maybe the best that we could have gotten given the
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: situation just yesterday? It seems like a really good hire
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: and kind of excited to see what he does and
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: compared to the guys left on the board, like Kyley
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: and maybe this Angstrand guy, like even the San fran guys,
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: kind of looking forward to seeing what he can do.
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: So what are your thoughts on that?
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: Well, I think, you know, that's it's a tough question
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: to answer. It's just the best they could have done.
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: You know, maybe they could have thrown all the money
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: in the world and Ben Johnson would leave an lateral move.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: You know, I don't know. Could they have done better? Maybe,
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: But what I like about Van Pelt is he's actually
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: worked with quarterbacks before, you know, and we talked about,
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: you know, you're gonna have, you know, hopefully a rookie
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: quarterback that's going to have to be nurtured and brought up,
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: and it's not enough to have just been in oc
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: you know, you have to have worked with quarterbacks. And
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: we talked about experience. There's not a lot of experience
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: on this staff. This guy has it. He's been around
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: the block.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I think it's similar with a lot of the different
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: kid But those are the things that I put on
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: the plus side for Van Pelt. Yeah, now I would
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: put other things on the plus side of some of
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: the younger guys.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: Just out of curiosity that tight pants.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Well, I wanted a tight pants guy. We got literally
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the only one that doesn't wear tight pants. What would
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: you guys have thought if it was like a Kingsbury
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: or Frank.
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: Reich, I would have.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Been someone like that. A lot of experience. So I
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: like to say it was like the best they could
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: have done. I kind of do with you, Fred, It's
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: a hard question to answer. Yeah, I did like the
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: idea of like the Detroit guy Engstrom and he worked
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: with quarterbacks, and I thought it was all signs were
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: pointing to it. He was going to get that coordinator
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: job if Ben Johnson went to Washington. Obviously that didn't
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: work out. And I'm not telling you I would I
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: would feel better if it was him. I'm just saying
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: it would be different, you know, similar but different.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: They all kind of have those I mean, all that
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: group of that, the guys that they interviewed, they all
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: were Kayley like, they all had some of these warts
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: of you know, and I mean I think what appeals
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: to me like with Kaylee was just like he was
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: not here for one year, Like how much Jiff different offense?
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: Right, And that's why I really interesting to hear from Mayo.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: What's the one thing about Alex van Pelt that said, okay,
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: he's my guy? Yeah, Like, what was it? Yeah?
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: I think you look at it what the bands have
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: done recently. I kind of agree with you.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: I was just joking.
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: I mean, let's speak about six fifteen hours.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, yeah, I'll take it. Free coffee for life, I'll
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: take it.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, Kingsbury, you mentioned who I love.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I know you were high.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: I remember that coming here, Kaylee.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I think there's a story there that we're not gonna tell,
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: but there's there's something going on there. I think the
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: biggest thing is is that those guys come from systems
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: that use a lot more of like the modern tricks
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: like motion and things like that. So, second to last
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: team in the league last year in motion rate, the
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: How long are we hiding that from? Now?
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: We got another year?
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: You mopen the Cleveland Browns. I can't take this now,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: I will say. I'll give him credit, he posted on
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: our po so's the motion that they do use is
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: well thought out motion. But they they're not like the
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Niners tree or they're not They're not just running motion
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: on every single motion. Right, So they don't do they
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: don't do motion.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: They're not a they're not a big they run a
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: lot of eleven personnel. But they do love their jumbo
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: packages like they love they love to tight end.
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: They love having alignment eligible who is actually listed on
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: the roster as a full back slash center. So a
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: guy named Nick Harris who is actually a free agent. Uh,
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: so he could go get him, he could be here. Uh.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: He he plays like a jumbo package type of role
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: for their offense. So they're they're heavy group, you know,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: heavy group, heavy personnel group for the most part, you know,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: and especially their base offense. And and they're a stagnant group,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: which i is what the Patriots were with McDaniels and
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: O'Brien and like that. That's it's not a it's not
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: this like Mike McDaniel. There's one guy going this way,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: one guy going that way, and blockers blocking from odd
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: angles and stuff like that. It's not as much of that.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And just so people know my little comment about
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: the full million that yesterday on one of my stations, Fred,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: they threw out the there was evidently according to Jimmy's
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: phone on Felger and maz he was looking for. Nick
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Cayley was looking for four million dollars, to which I said,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: peace out, bro Like first time coordinator ever, never even
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: coach quarterbacks, let alone coordinated an offense, and he's looking
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: for more money than like Bill O'Brien was making.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well I heard, didn't Jimmy say a lot of
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: it had to do with moving, Like he wanted to
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: stay in the West Coast, but in order to decide
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: to move, like that's what he needed Jimmy.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Jimmy likes Elaine h Jesse in Houston?
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: What's up Jesse? Jessey up.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Show?
• 40:50
  Speaker 9: And I won't take my head off just this.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: It's a suggestion.
• 40:55
  Speaker 9: I guess if Night is the guy for this off
• 41:01
  Speaker 9: and they're not sold on Daniels and Williams isn't available,
• 41:06
  Speaker 9: so they try and traight up, they can't get it.
• 41:09
  Speaker 9: Are we looking at the possibility of another year Mac Jones?
• 41:14
  Speaker 9: And then you know, I mean, if Mac Jones is
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: as bad as everybody's saying years, then we're really picking
• 41:21
  Speaker 9: high again next year anyways, regardless if we take Marvin Harrison, Junior,
• 41:25
  Speaker 9: jaw whoever.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, so thanks Jef, you'll take that off the air.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: It's a fair question. I really would be absolutely blown
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: away if Mac Jones is the quarterback of this team
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: next year, whether it's a bridge guy in free agency,
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: I think the one guy we really should be paying
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: attention to is Baker Mayfield. I think that if he's
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: somehow gets out of Tampa Bay or that turned sour,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: that situation. Yeah, you know, Van Pelt was obviously with
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: him in Cleveland, so I would look at it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: It's kind of sad, you know, and you hate to
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: say this about anybody, but Mac's time up here I
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: think is done. And it's not even just about his
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: playing ability. I think that I don't want to call
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: him toxic, but there's a locker room you have to
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: worry about futurod Mayo and I don't have time. You can't.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: I don't have time to be, you know, refereeing and
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: you know, talking for Matt say, hey, you know he's
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: a good you know, he's either he's either leading this
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: locker room or he's not. And I think that ship
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: has sailed. And I hate to say it, and I
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: hope Mac does well. Good kid, I wish him the best,
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: but I think his time here is done, and it
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: has probably less to do about his playing ability than
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: all the other stuff.
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: I agree so much, Fred, I've been thinking a lot
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: about that over the last couple of weeks. And you know,
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: there's always this little voice in the back of your
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: head of like Alex Van Peltz got a great reputation
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: with quarterbacks, you know, regardless of fit, Like you know,
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: could he possibly league?
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: You know, there's are some.
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: Skills that you still hear people say Mac Jones, you know,
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: if he gets But I'm with you. I think that's
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: what it comes down to. It's not even about the
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: on the field stuff. It's just a hard sell to
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: the defense. And you know, to Juwan Bentley and guys
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: like that, who have had two years of watching Mac
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: Jones turn the ball over consistently, doesn't really seem like
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: they love the way he presents himself to the team.
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: We talked about his leadership and you know, I'm gonna
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: run my race, and you know, I I on PC agree.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: It's on field, off field, and I think if they
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: got stuck quote unquote, they don't like the guy at
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: three you know that, you know they, let's face it,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: they have no control over the other two picks, right,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: so if they don't like the third one that's left
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: for them and they couldn't move up to get the
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: one they wanted, and every option in free agency, because
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I still think if that were to happen,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: you get a bridge guy, like we'resett or something, a.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: Bridge guy draft a quarterback in the fourth or fifth.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: But if you get stuck and you don't have anybody,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I still am trading Mac Jones. Yeah, and I'll let
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Bailey Zappy play like if I get stuck and I
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: have absolutely nobody. I don't think Zappi is as sort
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: of polarizing as Mac is right now in the locker room.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: I still think that there's a very viable path. There's
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: gonna be some end of the first round, second round
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks in this class ye that have are going to
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: have starter grades, maybe not high end starter grades, but
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: are gonna have starter grades.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: I think Michael Pennix is going to be a guy
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: that's going to go right in that twenty five to
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: thirty five range, probably end of the first round, just
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: to get the fifth year option. A bow Nicks, JJ McCarthy,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: like those guys are going to be in that territory
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: that if you want to go Olofushanu Joel Marvin Harrison
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: at the top of the draft, you might have an
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: opportunity to get one of those.
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I say it in a very respectful way. You know,
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: Mac needs to go find his way somewhere.
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's hard to see it happening here.
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: And like, as much as you like can imagine a
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: world maybe where they just look at a blank slate,
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: but you got to compete. You're not not the starter.
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: And he goes out there and he plays well and
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: he starts, you know, he re earns people's respect. As
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: much as I want to sell that story to my
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: I can't buy it. I can't buy it.
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: It's more important. Will the remnants of last year buy it?
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: No, And that's the whole thing.
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: That's the whole thing is you know, I think it's
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: the last kind of vestige of what the problem was
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: last year. And yes, it wasn't all Max's fault, but
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: he was part of the problem too.
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: When it's time, Yeah, let's go to Matthew in Texas.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: What's up, Matthew? Matthew and Texas, are you having us
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: on mute. No, Matthew, Matthew, he's there, but he just
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: won't speak. Okay, we'll go up to the top of
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: the stack to Dominic in New York. Hey, Dominic.
• 45:55
  Speaker 9: Hey.
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 45:58
  Speaker 10: So, you know, when I first started to Alexandill hiring,
• 46:02
  Speaker 10: and obviously, like many others, had no idea really what
• 46:05
  Speaker 10: he's done or what he did. But going to Zac's
• 46:07
  Speaker 10: point with him just being so good at quarterbacks, and
• 46:11
  Speaker 10: you know, Aaron Rodgers gave him, you know, a nice
• 46:14
  Speaker 10: glow of you know, respect and admiration. It's kind of
• 46:16
  Speaker 10: nice knowing that we have someone experience, especially with how
• 46:19
  Speaker 10: young our defensive coordinator is. Jerry Springer's a young rising coach,
• 46:22
  Speaker 10: you have to rod So it feels good because you
• 46:24
  Speaker 10: guys did mention. It kind of feels nice to let
• 46:27
  Speaker 10: the offensive offensive coordinators do what he does best, right
• 46:30
  Speaker 10: and not really think about it too much, not worry
• 46:31
  Speaker 10: about it too much, especially with as much experience that
• 46:34
  Speaker 10: he has, So it feels like a safe tick. I'm
• 46:36
  Speaker 10: honestly feeling better about this than if we picked up
• 46:38
  Speaker 10: an unknown in Nick Kaylee. You know, even if he's
• 46:40
  Speaker 10: enticing coming from asadamic bay Tree. But you know, the
• 46:44
  Speaker 10: one thing here is Mac has been ruined, his confidence,
• 46:48
  Speaker 10: you know, broken. It's kind of nice knowing no matter
• 46:50
  Speaker 10: who we have it, even if it's a bridge quarterback
• 46:52
  Speaker 10: or someone knew that the culture is really what Ja
• 46:54
  Speaker 10: Rob Mayle was going for here. And then that's something
• 46:56
  Speaker 10: that you know, will help hopefully motivate the players to
• 46:58
  Speaker 10: play as hard as they can. You know, we see
• 47:00
  Speaker 10: what motivation can do with certain teams and that's really nice.
• 47:03
  Speaker 10: So you know, well, let's see how that goes. And
• 47:06
  Speaker 10: one other thing I'm hoping for is that we see
• 47:08
  Speaker 10: in this offense. I hope we see a return of
• 47:10
  Speaker 10: the fullback. I've missed that, miss that we use them.
• 47:13
  Speaker 10: I've seen how the team's down in Miami, San Francisco, Baltimore,
• 47:16
  Speaker 10: your name, and how they use them. So I really
• 47:17
  Speaker 10: hope they incorporates some real full back in the offense.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: So yeah, all right, thanks Domin. You know, it's I
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: hate to harp on the pass, but I don't think
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: you can underestimate the damage last not last year, but
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: the year before UH was caused by bringing Patricia and
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: Judge and putting them in charge of the offense. I think,
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: you know, I think things were salvageable after you know,
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: they got to the playoffs the year before, but you know,
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: the season was going downhill. But I think that killed
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: a lot of things. That was a that was a
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: really bad move in whether it was morale and the
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: coaching staff or morale in the locker room among your
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: you know, you know for your quarterback that that had
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: a lot of that did a lot of damage.
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: What do you think could have been done? Like I'm
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: just asking this, like, like is there a you know,
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: it's hard to go because Josh is Josh, and I
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: feel like there's no real like second option behind Josh
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: to teach Josh's offense. So like it just seems like
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: no matter what decision you made, you were going to
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: switch the offense on Mac Jones, like you were going
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: to lose any kind of continuity.
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: But not switching the offense is one thing, But doing
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: it with guys who have never done it before, No, Yeah,
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: just doubled the frustration for a lot of people. And
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: it wasn't fair. I stand by what I've said all along.
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: It wasn't fair to Matt Patricia. You know, I still
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: say he deserves thanks for giving it a go. It
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: wasn't his fault and he was trying to learn too,
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: But just the decision to do that had long lasting
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: effects throughout that season, and it trickled into the next season.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: That's where I feel like the losing started to permeate
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: the locker room. Yeah, the morale, the mopiness and all that,
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: the frustration, that's where it really started. And I think
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: they were caught in between a little bit because Nick
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: Keyley was probably not quite ready yet to take the
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: offensive coordinator job on. But they couldn't get to Bill
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: O'Brien yet, so that wasn't really there.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: It's easy have just done this.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there wasn't a ton of options in hindsight.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Should they have probably just lived with the growing pains
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: of a young staff with Nick Kayley. Maybe, but that's
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: easy to say now, I suppose.
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: Right, right, But you know, and and part of it,
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: you know, once it happened, then Mac didn't handle it well,
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: you know, and his lack of I think leadership made
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: that situation even worse.
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: It's just snowballed.
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: And I mean, to Evan's point, you know, it's I
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: even hear the guys saying, like, we don't have the answers.
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: And I think that's got to be a hard way
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: to enter a football game knowing that they throw curveball
• 49:55
  Speaker 6: at us today, were in trouble, you know, and that
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: that just going into a game, you feel like hand
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: and so.
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: Many you know, when you hear it in a lot
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: of different stories, that writers right, it's you know, it's
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: probably true, but you heard they didn't have answers, you know.
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: And these guys are dogs. They you know, they're all
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: alpha dogs. But somebody's got to be the alpha dog
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: and they need to be led, you know. And when
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: they think that you don't have answers, you're not putting
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: them in the best spot to succeed. You're screwing with
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: their career. You've lost them. You've lost them.
• 50:29
  Speaker 6: That's the worst thing as a coach. Yeah, you know,
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: if you don't, if you can't help your players put them.
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: I'm a player. My time in this league is limited.
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: I don't have time to waste seasons on you learning
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: how to do offense right. You know, I underestimated that
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: I thought that a head coach in this league could
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: adapt down to pretty much anything. I was wrong when
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: it came to specifically play calling, but going from a
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: different side of the ball and leading it up, I
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: guess it's not that easy.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Well, and you know, I think Bill admitted the same thing.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: And it was a story that was relayed to me
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: that happened in Vegas that year, the infamous lateral game,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: the Jacobe Myers Lateral game. That before that game, someone
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: told me there was a conversation between Bill and Josh,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: and Bill told Josh I underestimated how much, how much
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: you know, went into it, you know, went into running
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: an offense.
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: See for Bill, I think all this is easy. Yeah,
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: I think he could call it. I think he could
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: call a game on offense with without a play sheet.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Well you're just called lead isoh no, but everything's in it.
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: I think he knows. I don't know.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: It's a deep dive.
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: But but that's that's a that is a nerd joke,
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: but it's a very good nerd Yeah, running leak?
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: How hard is it? All that time on three?
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: Okay, all of Evan's fandom like, that's the best line ever.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: I've given you my high school power, all right, twenty
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: two lead it's on one and every once in a
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: while we really got wild power. I left twenty three
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: leads on one, but all on.
• 52:04
  Speaker 6: What never first sound. I love the first sound. First sound.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: That was the only goal line.
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but I that.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Was how I scored first sound.
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: All right, let's go to Todd in North Carolina. I
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: hate Todd.
• 52:21
  Speaker 11: Hey, gentlemen, Hey, hey, I'm actually kind of excited about
• 52:24
  Speaker 11: this because I feel like, just looking at his history
• 52:27
  Speaker 11: and doing a little bit of research, he doesn't just
• 52:30
  Speaker 11: hop around. He's not like McDaniel's. You know, I need
• 52:32
  Speaker 11: to get that HC. I need to be the head
• 52:34
  Speaker 11: cover somewhere. I think he'll stick around, and I think
• 52:36
  Speaker 11: that's what we need because really Mac was a disaster
• 52:39
  Speaker 11: because of the continuity, just the lack of you know,
• 52:43
  Speaker 11: putting stuff in. Do I think that he fell below
• 52:45
  Speaker 11: his you know, his initial floor. Yeah, I think he
• 52:47
  Speaker 11: got just he just he went back to maybe high
• 52:50
  Speaker 11: school level or something. And that's because there's no consistency.
• 52:53
  Speaker 11: So I don't want to know if you guys feel
• 52:55
  Speaker 11: like this guy's going to stay around, because if van
• 52:57
  Speaker 11: Pelt stays around, we get a new cube.
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: Well, you can argue the other one. Why hasn't If
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: he's that good, why hasn't.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: He would be my argument, right, I just I've never
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: heard his name mentioned in coaching, sir.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: Now, maybe if he starts to call plays and is
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: successful with that, he could, but I, like, I would
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: think that he's not on that track.
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: Just be good, Like I don't really care, like, just
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: be good, like if he if he's.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Good, I mean, that's obviously the bottom line. But I don't.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: And I heard this a little bit on the other station,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: not Mine Your Morning, This Morning.
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: Ninety five is your for all your station, Paul Radio.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: There was an argument then, that was the argument and
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: they were saying, you know, it worries me that he's
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: never you know, like like that they think he's going
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: to stay and like and I would fall on that, like, yeah,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: it'd be great if he really bangs it out of
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: the park and he's content to be a coordinator. That's
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: a perfect world. But that's rare that Like, if he
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: knocks it out of the park and he has like
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden he turns this offense, or in
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: two years from now we're talking about him having one
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: of the best offenses in football and he doesn't have
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: any aspirations to do anymore, that would be really rare.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: That would be great. I agree Todd's right. If that happened,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: that would be awesome. But more likely he hasn't really
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: been getting any of these opportunities because no one has
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: been clamoring for him. That's the most likely scenario.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think when you look at a guy
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: like that too, he's kind of missed the boat if
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: he was wanting to make that jump. Because now the
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Bobby slow x and the Ben Johnson's like those are
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: the hot names now on the offensive side of the ball,
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: so on once your time has kind of skipped over.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: But if I'm Girodd as a defensive minded guy, I'm
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: really mindful of succession plans on that side of the ball.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Not just because Van Pelt could go to head coaching job,
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: but maybe he ends up leaving to go someplace else
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: because he likes it.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: And I want a guy who's kind of looking at
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: it as a stepping stone because he thinks if I
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: do the Bobby slowick and I go and I knock
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: it out of the park.
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I want to do great things.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: That's good, but that's good for my team. Like I
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: never understand this. Right now, Boston College, we're going to
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: talk about this. You know again, they lost their coach
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: and they don't look at their job as a stepping
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: stone school, and I think they should. I think they
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: should embrace it because that would be good for them.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: But they want a guy who comes home, you know.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: They want a guy to come in and stay. Yeah,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: they don't want another Coughlin.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: They want Bill O'Brien, you know, Jared and Vermon.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: I think Bill O'Brien would be crazy to take that job.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: I really do.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: Let's see what really wants to stay here.
• 55:31
  Speaker 6: Evan did a little sleuthing today because I might see Billy.
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: O'Brien getting getting the jersey mics today.
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I might have number.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: I didn't.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: I wasn't that much of a weirdo fred. But I
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: went to go up to the shelf that the takeout shelf,
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: grab my sandwich, and there my sandwich is sitting here.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: There's a sandwich sitting next to it with the tag
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: that says Bill O'Brien.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: And then you start looking around and I was like,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: I thought, he's gonna how long do I How long
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: do I wait? Did you think of it? And You're
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: like the meeting was coming out.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: I waited like a beat. I wasn't. I wasn't. I
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: wasn't because who I am? So like if you walk
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: through the door, like you know, absolutely and so like
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: I was like, all right, I'll wait like ten seconds
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: extra the normal, just to scond.
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: He's gonna wait an anything.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: And then I was like, no, all right, I gotta go.
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden, this big chin comes.
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: It just sucks it into a hole.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Another one, another guy.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: I would have loved to have had a conversation with.
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: Well, so yeah, he might even talk to you, yeah,
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: Jared writes in wants to take a shot at the media.
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: Cool He says, eleven offensive coordinator interviews and nobody reported
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: the guy they hired was even in consideration. What gives
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: that came in yesterday?
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: I was hired Boom bang bang.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that that is fair, though, I mean it was.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: I think Reese had the report yesterday that it was
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: cooling on Nick Kayley.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Yep, oh, I didn't see that these guys can be
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: convinced that it was Kaylee on the show. No.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: I think yesterday Reese had a report on one of
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: your show, Paul, that that Nick Keley the last couple
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: of days that sort of had died down, but nobody
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: had Alex van Pelt in terms of.
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: The name Chad in Atlanta. While it's not the flashiest signing,
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: it may be a signing that was needed. Obviously, Van
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: Pelt isn't vying for a head coach position anytime soon,
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: so this may be a long term move to solidify
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: the OC position. That way, the next young quarterback doesn't
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: have to worry about changing ocs after a few years
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: like mac Jones did, especially since most of the available
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: and hired OC candidates are looking to be head coaches eventually. Uh,
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: a VP has the offensive experience that I think Mayo
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: will need in an OC moving forward.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: I agree with that.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: I like the experience partner, and I love the.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: A v P. That's definitely gonna stay a VP. Yeah,
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: it's just easier to say.
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: So does Lion does he?
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: Is?
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: He gonna bring his kids Linus and Lucy? With him?
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: Oh right? Good? Fred didn't work on.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: The text yesterday?
• 57:56
  Speaker 12: I did.
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: You don't know?
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I didn't get it. It was over my head.
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: You know, peanuts.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: No, I had no idea what you were talking about.
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: You don't know, peanuts.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what Matt's children.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, but I was really young.
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: Lucy and Lionis they were brother and sister and their
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: last name was Van Pelt.
• 58:15
  Speaker 6: Okay, it sounds like they come from money, and I
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: just I never really saw that line up with like
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: Linus and the Blanket and you know, like the Van Pelts,
• 58:22
  Speaker 6: like they sound like you know what stra money?
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: They like from money?
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: Well, mister Hollywood's got to think about this.
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: Eric was so against the Peanuts remember that. No, oh no,
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: it wasn't Eric was Andy.
• 58:34
  Speaker 7: Andy didn't like I don't like stuff.
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: They're not funny.
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: They're not funny, but it's not funny.
• 58:38
  Speaker 6: But you just put on the Halloween one and Halloween
• 58:41
  Speaker 6: and the Christmas one at Christmas and maybe the Thanksgiving one.
• 58:46
  Speaker 6: Was it every funny? I mean Pepper and Patty's inviting
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: herself over and stuff. I mean, sorry, it's an emergency podcast.
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: I can't talk serious. They chuck coming over.
• 58:53
  Speaker 6: I'm bringing Marcy too, like like, come on, what are
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: you doing?
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: Christian says, did we forget? Did we forget? A VP
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: also coached Aaron Rodgers Rogers was actually we forget?
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Everybody says he's so great with quarterbacks. That's the only
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: one he ever had that had any accomplishment.
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: Rogers was actually up to we forget wow. Rogers was
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: actually upset and spoke with the media when they let
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: him go. I would trade up for number one and
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: get Caleb Williams.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know how those two things are related, but sure,
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: I mean it could be a bad sign that he
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: didn't talk to me.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: So I like that with a lot of quarterbacks mostly
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: sort of average at best, ones like Trent Edwards and
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick and Andy Dalton after his like good years,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: I'll give him credit a little bit for Baker.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: Baker was pretty good at the beginning.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: That's where I said, I'll give him a little credit
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: for Baker's But you know, Aaron Rodgers is like the
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: only quarter I mean, let's face it, do we give
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: him Alex van Pelt credit for Aaron Rodgers or are
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: we just gonna assume Aaron Rodgers is pretty good?
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: That's all Alex Pelton, Okay, in my book told me
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: experience in.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: The ground up Jason and Saint Petersburg. For everyone complaining
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: about Van Pelt getting fired from Cleveland and being a
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: bad hire, weren't you the same people begging for Mike
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: Rabel to be the head coach and he got fired
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: from Tennessee.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Andy Harri absolutely, that's directed write it in all right,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: not one because both of those are true.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: No one down has been played, and we don't know
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: what the draft of free agency looks like. So please
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: chill out. Let's just see what happens. PS. Love the show,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: and you guys and gals are great. Keep up the
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: good word.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: I don't think any we're not freaking out about no
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: a VP. I'm going to sell that. But also Mike Rabel,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: who happened to have a run in with him yesterday.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, did he say hi to you back?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 7: Did you say hello?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: We said hello to each other.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah. John in La wants to know the show.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: What do we need to fix that?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: The Rabel thing?
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Do we talk about that on the show yesterday?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: What?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: No? Okay? Evidently we didn't go ahead, move along, proceed
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: all not for air.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I was wondering if we were talking about that on
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: the air yesterday Mike Rabel, because I knew that they
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: had and I thought we might have talked about that.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: On Oh no, we talught that they were on the plane.
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  Speaker 1: Right, but not the one to Boston. Evidently not the one,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: So I think that changed. So we did talk about
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: it on the air. Yeah, so that to me, that
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: changes the concept the concept on the plane. We got
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: that information telephone, the game of telephone.
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  Speaker 3: No, I got a funny story for about it. But
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: John in La says Arthur brought up this possibility. I
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: wanted to ask about the reality. What are the odds
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: we'll get us sit down with Van Pelton Evan for
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: Pages dot com video or article. I they could be
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: fascinating to learn where a VP is scheme wise and
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: what Evan has to say about it.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, so who wrote this email?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: John and La? John and La.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: Fantastic question John in l A and one that I
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: was planning on asking these two about as soon as
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: we're done question.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 6: We're not legally allowed to let Evan within fifty feet
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: of anyone in the coaching staff right now.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: Listen, No, we talked about called an r O.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: We just want to talk about the ball, that's it.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: And you talked about Mayo and getting you on the show.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: We're also going to do our best to get some
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: time with all three of the coordinators. Yes, you know,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: for some, for some on camera stuff has written, So
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: what do you think of r pos?
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think in in depth with evan interview
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: might might be good.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: Get up on the board.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: It's not for people who like football.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Or anybody else. It's people like it's people who like football.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: Let's see a lot of emails. Jordan writes in thank
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: God for the Emergency Pod. There's a lack of Patriots
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: media on Fridays and that has been starving for information.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: I just have a message to Patriots Nation. Justin Fields
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: is not the answer. I don't know where this erroneous
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: notion came from, of seeking a washed up ten to
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: twenty eight.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Ten and twenty eight his records tenant tenant sounds about right.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know is the answer for a rebuild.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: He's not good. He's an okase he had an okay season.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: You're not going to get the most out of him.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: He's already given everything he has and it's not good enough.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: Him and M HJ are not the answer. Please please
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: stop suggesting this. I can't handle hearing that take anymore.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: Your guys were.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 6: Saying, Yeah, your guys you guys, Marvin Harris, Marvin Harrison.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: That then that's junior think bugs me too, that's the path.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: But yeah, your guys, Felger, we're all over that plan.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't want to do that.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: No, they want they want to get Harris and get.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Justin Field just because Felger is terrified of taking a quarterback.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Now, I just don't understand why you can roll the
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: dice and take a tackle at three or Marvin Harrison
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: at three, but if you take a quarterback, you know
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: the world's gonna end.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: I also don't understand. Isn't Justin Fields a huge roll
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: of the dice just equal.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: To Yeah, I think so, But I would strongly push
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: back on that, Like he's played three years and that
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: means he stinks and he will forever stink and that's
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: that's it. Like I I've seen guys get better, and
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: I think that he has incrementally gotten better. I think
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: he was better in the second half of the season
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: last year than he was in the first half. You're
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: at the point now, am I gonna like put all
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: my eggs in the Justin Fields basket?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: I'm with Evan, No way, you got a big role you.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 6: Gotta beat every bush you can. You have to be creative.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: You can't rule anything out. You have to take the
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 6: chances you do. I mean, I'm not you know, we
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 6: can talk about Justin Fields, but like, just generally, I.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: Don't hate the idea of Justin Fields, but if you're
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: giving up like a third round pick for Justin Fields,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: I would mud if it's gonna take that much, and
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: you can't then use another top one hundred pick on
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: a quarterback because now you're using your second and your
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: third round.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 7: And that was kind of as they were flirting with that.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want If I could steal Justin Fields
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: from the Bears because they want nothing to do with him,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: and then I'm drafting Justin Fields, I'm taking Justin Fields
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: for nothing, and then drafting Bo Nicks in the second round,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: and then one of those two guys ends up being
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: my guy. Then I guess I could get behind it.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: But if you're already making a big leap for Justin
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: Fields and that's your guy, like that's the guy.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want it. I don't want another quarterback
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: if I'm making a trade, right, he's the guy.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: It is weird, though, he's only justin Field's only twenty five.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Well, and that's my point about I'm just understand why
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: his story is completely done written. That's it.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: He's like a year older than some of the quarterbacks
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: in this draft because and he's played three years in
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: the NFL.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Especially this draft, like these guys have played six years
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: of college football, like some of these guys Daniels. I
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: mean they've had like long, they've been in college.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: For six years, twenty five years old, already there fifth
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: and sixty year seniors.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. Tyler says he heard the rumor about Bill
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: O'Brien going to Boston College.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: It's all over the X machine.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: And l from Wisconsin says, I haven't snorted in a while,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: but hearing Fred bring back the Bill could call a
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: game without play sheet line really got me. That's not
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: a joke. I really believe it's true.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 7: I thought she was gonna say Evans.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, uh, let's see. You know those people aren't on here,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: they're on substack. Evans people.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: The Liz armyla Ours.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: Carl Weathers died.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: He was just on the.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: Commercial car with Gronk Creed. Carl Weathers, he was just
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: on the the Draftings commercial with Gronk like it's running
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: right now, that's AFL Like you must have had like
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: a heart attack or something. I don't know, but I
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: mean that sucks.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 6: I mean Predator, Yeah, happy Gilmour right.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: Predators are underrated action movie.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: Not bad?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 7: What was his name?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: No, that's how this emergency podcast someplace to go get
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: a week.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: I gotta find something to eat at some point though. Oh,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: the schedule was not conducive to lunch today.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: Well, we'll go to three, We'll do twenty more minutes.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: Mark's in Connecticut. What's up, Mark, it's going on today?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 11: Guys, love your show.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Thanks Mark, Thanks so Evan.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: How does Joe Milton look? This kid out of Tennessee
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: is really intriguing because he's like a Josh Allen. I
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: feel like replica. I feel like you can pick Marvin
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: Harrison at three and pick Joe Milton in eath of
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: the second or third round. I want to do guys
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: stake on how he looked sable?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so he looked pretty good in practice. Joe Milton
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: is is definitely a project. Though he's someone that at Tennessee.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: It took him a while to even get the starting job,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: and then he had some just accuracy decision making issues.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: I compare him more to like Day three Anthony Richardson
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: than Josh Allen. I think that Josh Allen was a way, way,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: way better player than Joe Milton. But Anthony Richardson, when
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: you talk about size, tools, athleticism, arm strength, not quite
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: as polished as Richardson. Obviously, that's why he's he's kind
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: of like the discount version of that. But if you're
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: talking about him as like a double dip quarterback, or
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: they have Baker Mayfield and you're just taking a flyer
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: on a guy in like the fourth round, then Joe
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: Milton is a is an interesting tally was like, what,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: he looks huge, He's like six six huge.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 6: He looked like I was kind of calling him wish
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: Cam Newton, like he looked like, you know, kind of
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 6: like the budget Cam Newton version.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: And there are times where you watch him play and
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: you're like, there it is, you can see it.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: But yesterday I was watching Little and they're on seven
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 6: or seven, and he just threw it right to like this,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 6: like just the guy was standing there, just threw it
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 6: right to the.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: I was just talking about like the Tennessee games, like
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: you could see it like at times, like they would
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: play and they'd be really competitive because they weren't a
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: bad team Tennessee. And then you know, they put together
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: a drive and then the other team will get on
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: to score, and then they put together a drive and
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, like he looked totally different,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: and before you know it, they're you know, they're punting
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: like four times in a row in the games over. Yeah,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: you just couldn't seem to put full games together.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: His his arm talent is extremely enticing. And I think
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: that going to the Senior Bowl practices coming off of
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: year watching Mac Jones and Bailey Zappi for six months
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: and then seeing a guy that can actually drive it
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: between two defenders fifteen yards down the field, You're like,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: all right, that that I don't normally see that in Foxborough.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: So that was nice.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: Spencer Rattler Small, that was the one on because if
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: I had to say who was the most consistent down
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: in Mobile this week, it probably would have been Spencer Rattler.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: But he's a shade under six to one.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't I didn't really love med Oklahoma
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: and I didn't loved South Carolina either, but I saw
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: some people saying that the Patriots had some interest there,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: and I.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: Just, well, he worked with the team that you know.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: I think Spencer Rattler probably had the most consistent week.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: I know a lot of the teams. We're really impressed
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: with Michael Pennix in the interviews and just sort of
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: his his gravitas and his leadership.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: And his u on the field. Eldred yelled at me
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: because I thought that I had heard people saying that
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: he kind of struggled a little bit, and he said, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: Second day one was it was a little bit of
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: an issue for him. I thought that he didn't he
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: was right down the middle.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 12: To me.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: Didn't help his stock, didn't hurt his stock. He just
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: had a fine week. Bone Nicks probably heard his stock
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: a little bit, and then Rattler and Milton probably helped there.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: What do you think of Rattler.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: I just think he's small, Like I think he throws
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: a nice ball. I think he's got some moxy to
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: throw the ball down the field and some arm talent
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: to do it. But I'm just so out on short quarterbacks,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: like I just need somebody that that can tools he
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: that Yeah, that's a guy A little bit more to him.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: Diana writes in She's from New Hampshire. First time written,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: longtime listener, nice look forward every time listening. I was
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: just wondering what you thought of Baker Mayfield with Alex
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: Van Pelt. As soon as Pelt was hired, I immediately thought
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: of Baker Mayfield and how he was really good this year,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: his year with the Bucks. This year with the Bucks,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: Baker would be a great fit. I would think with
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: Pelt and we could select Marvin Harrison at third from Pelton,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: and second round we could select a good tackle. I
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: would roll the dice with and draft a quarterback later,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: or maybe trade several picks to move up and get
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 5: a quarterback. What do you think? My feelings won't be
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: hurt if you disagree. Just thought it would be a
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: viable option.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: I think I think Mayfield is a viable bridge option.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: But he's gonna want money.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yep, he'll have to pay him little bit, I think.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 7: I mean Evan said it, this is he gonna get
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 7: away from Tampa Bay.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 6: It just seems like usually those situations where teams like
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 6: that find a little bit of gold and a veteran
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 6: quarterback that can play for them.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 7: They usually do their best at to hang on them
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 7: and not let.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: Them get away. Tom writes in with a VP's higher
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: could this be a better fit for cold Strange. I'm
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: by no means saying he was a good pick, but
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 5: could the new run schemes be a better fit for him?
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: And also, signing on when you to a new contract
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: has to be number one priority. Not re signing him
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: would be malpractice. We have so many holes to fill
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: on this team, and we need to use cash to
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: fill some of them.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not too concerned about I think we're gonna
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: get a lot of these questions of like which lineman fits,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: I'm not like that concerned about it. I think one
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: of the good things about what the Browns were able
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: to do is they were very game plan oriented in
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: the run game, so they called plays based off of opponent,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: and I think that they could probably do anything to
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: fit if they had to, like really adjust it because
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: they have a three hundred and forty pound tackle Like,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not worried about that as much as as maybe
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: the quarterback position.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: Let's see back to the phones Willem and Philam. What's up? William?
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: Thanks?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: Greg? How you doing all right? All right?
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 10: Questions forever? Well, I'll just say this first, go, I
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 10: want Drake May on our team though, but if we
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 10: can't get Drake May, I take Marvin Hamerson any day period.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 10: So I just wanted to say something that in tours
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 10: of him and Alex Bark they were talking about, Okay,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 10: there's there's like ten more other receivers in the draft
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 10: or not. My push back to y'all this okay, Uh,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 10: the Patriots passed on many receivers, correct.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: They passed that over the years. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: So you.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 10: Know, I'll just say, man, we need so much man,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 10: Bill left this team so much in the shamble.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: Man, it's so bad.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 10: Man. But but my take is just you have a
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 10: chance to get the number one receiver. But yes, we
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 10: need a tackle. I'm with you, We need to we
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 10: need a quarterback. I'm with you. Haven't we need everything.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 10: I understand it. But were talking, man, Marvin Harrison, this guy,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 10: I don't know if he's going to be that dude.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 10: I don't know, you know, just like Paul was saying
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 10: at one point, I don't know.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 9: I don't know what he's gonna be. But yeah, man,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 9: I just I.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 10: Just want the guy and I take him. But if
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 10: we got to, I'm all over the place right there.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 5: But it is not a better chance. There's a better
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: chance than not that he is immediately a top ten
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: quarter wide receiver, Mars Marvin Harrison. True or false? I
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: think true. I have no idea top ten receiver better
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: chance than not.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 7: With any quarterback there.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, with any quarterback I don't know.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Is Garrett Wilson one, Yeah.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: I think he is in the top ten.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: I was looking at paper.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was thinking about that the other day, and
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, I think Garrett Wilson would be
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: in the top ten.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: I mean I would put like Jefferson, Jamar Chase killed
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: jam Chase Adams, A J.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: Brown, I put it, I put, I put Deebo Samuel
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: up there, I put I wouldn't I put the kid
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: from San Francisco in there? No, the other way.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: I'd put a UK ahead of Deebo Samuel for sure.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: But I don't know if he's a top ten receiver either.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's a lot of good receivers, but I
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 5: think Barbara.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: I think that's the point, right, is that there is
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: a lot of good receivers, and it's a really good class.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: There's receivers around the league.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: It just if you.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: I like Marvin Harrison Junior as much as everybody else does.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: I think he's a can't miss prospect, and I don't
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: throw that around too easily. Whether he's a Hall of
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: Famer like his dad, I'm not sure, but he's going
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: to be a good player in the league no matter what.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: I agree, And I think that the bottom line is
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: those that you have to think about allocating resources and
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: where are the most important resources.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: I know they have to like it's it's NFL twenty
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: twenty four wide receiver, right. The hun're a huge and
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 5: you know, over the last few years we've worried about
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: the Patriots hitting on one pick, so at least we
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: know that their first pick will be a good player.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know that any more than anything else. I
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: don't know why you always.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 5: Say that, but you can't know for certain, for anything exactly.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: But that's exactly right. But that's but everybody's treating this
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: particular pick like it is.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 5: Because absolute, because the odds. I don't understand the odds
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: are that he's going to be good.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: I agree, Okay, I agree, the odds are that it's
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: going to be good, just like the odds are that
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is going to be good.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but he might not be. But we we're not
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: going to get him.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: No. I'm just saying, like the odds are, the best
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: player on the board at those positions are gonna be good, right,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't always work out that way, I know.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: But we never get to take the best player on
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: the board. We finally do have that chance to do it.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 5: So if somebody says you got to take Marvin Harrison,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: I'm not arguing.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: So listen, take Marvin Harrison and I think that they
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: will have taken.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: Go ahead, go ahead, William Kenn.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 10: I just want to say, look when you had when
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 10: we had the greatest quarterback of all time, Okay, and
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 10: we passed up on all the receivers from free agency
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 10: to draft because you know who. But that's me to here.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 10: But now you have a chance to get that, you
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 10: know what I'm saying, Like, look look at if you
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 10: look at the history of how many receivers we passed on.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 10: I mean, I can name many, okay, from free agency
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 10: to the trand and this is regidulous too.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 11: And these were blue ship players.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 10: That could have did them for our team. And now
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 10: we have a chance to do that, Fellas, we have
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 10: a chance. Now you know what I'm saying. I'll just
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 10: leave it, so all.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: Right, thanks William.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: I just would ask Evan, who do you think is
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: the best receiver in football?
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: Kill?
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, So is the difference between Tyreek Hill and say,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Amari Cooper really good receiver but not top five really
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: good player? You know, I'm just using him as an example.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: You can probably come up with a better one. Is
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: that difference bigger, more important, less important than the difference
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: between Patrick Mahomes potentially and you know some run of
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: the mill starter Baker Mayfield. I think that's the point, right,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to get at, Like, there are
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: a ton of really really talented receivers I don't need
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: justin Jefferson what I want him, absolutely I would love
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: to have them. But the difference between even even in Cincinnati,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: difference between Jamar Chase and t Higgins is there's a difference.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: There's one's better than the other, yes, but it's not
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: as big of a difference between a really good quarterback
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: in an average quarterback.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: That's way bigger correct to me. And there are way
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: more t Higgins out there than there are good quarterbacks.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: And if Andrew Luck was there, I would say you
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: got to take him. You know, he's he's I would
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: say there's more chance than not that he's going to
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: be a top ten call.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying is, I'm fine if I don't get
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior, if I end up getting a Doonsa
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: or neighbors. I don't think that. I don't think they're
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: the same. I don't think they're I don't think that
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: they as good as Harrison. I'm not suggesting that they are.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: But I think there are a lot of good receivers
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: I know you can get that are really good place.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 5: I agree, but I like and I don't know. I'm
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: just going by what the Nudnicks say. I agree with,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: you know, and I haven't heard this much clatter about
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: you know, there's been clatter about wide receivers.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: But don't you think that a little something to do
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: with his name?
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I do would say the last time
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: this much hype for receivers. Jamar Chase, I was, I.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: Didn't even hear it this much about Jamar Chase.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: Honestly, well, Jamar Chase was like, I can't mat like
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: he was the same in the same boat. It was
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: this this type of of guy.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: I just I don't once you started playing he was,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: you know, I just.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: Think that it's when it comes to roster building, it's
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: building it backwards, like you're you're starting with the shiny
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: toy when you don't have an offensive line, you don't
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: have a quarterback to get him the ball, but you
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: have this this, this Ferrari on the outside.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: It's like what what?
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: But all those things you just talked about, you're not
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: gonna get those all in the first pick anyway.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: But but those things contributes, in my opinion, are more
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: conducive to winning.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: But all right, so it's one guy, one pick. You
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: know you can only you can only solve one problem.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: I just wouldn't build.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: I guess what my point is, if I have my
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: choice and you can't do it this way either, I
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: realize this is flawed. But if I have my choice,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: what Let's just say that Drake may is number three
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: and he hits he's good. I'm not talking about Patrick Mahomes,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: but he's really good. I'd rather have that than the
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: best receiver in football.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 7: Correct, Yeah, I wish.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: I even though I think that there's probably a better
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: chance that Marvin Harrison is really good. I think it's
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: way more important because now I can get Drake May
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: and in the third round, Drake May is gonna make
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: somebody better. Maybe the next year I can get a
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: first round wide receiver, you know, because I have Drake
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: May and he's making my offense better. I don't know
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: how much Marvin Harrison makes your offense better if you
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: don't have that situation settled.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: It's bottom line as as it comes down to winning
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: football games and how much better does Marvin Harrison junior?
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: How many wins does Marvin Harrison Junior ad versus the quarterback?
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: And it's it's just not it's not apples to arm.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: If you're asking me what position is more important than
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: the NFL, it's.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Quarterback, right, And I don't think you're in this situation
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: very often, a top pick in a year that the
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: quarterback position is deep.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if I feel real good about Drake May, then
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: you picked Drake May if the.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: Question is always in either or it's Marvin Harrison Junior
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: and Bo Nicks, which is what Dame Brugler marked the
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: mock to the Patriots a couple of weeks ago. Or
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: it's Drake May and Roman Wilson, who just had a
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: great week down at the Senior Bowl, And it's which
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: one do you would you rather?
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: And do you love Drake May? Yes, Okay, then it's
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: Drake May. But what if Drake May and whoever else?
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 6: Well, what if it's Jade and Daniels or you know,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: like I mean, I think we all agree. But if
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 6: it's like I just think about they have a draft
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 6: board and you always hear them say stick to the board.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 6: Now at third overall, is there a good chance that
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 6: Caleb Williams and Drake May go won two? Who should
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 6: be the number one guy on their.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: Board right now?
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 7: So why shouldn't he be selected? And if you never.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: Think that Marvin Harrison is substantially better than Jade and Daniels,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: then you should take Harrison. I agree, Yeah, I wouldn't
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: just take the quarterback for the sake of taking a quarterback.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: I don't believe in. And that's but can you Imagine
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: if this was like two years ago and the quarterback
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: draft class had Kenny Pickett, who some people thought might
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: be a first round pick, and that was the best
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: on the board, You'd be suicidal right now, right You're
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: not dealing with that. You're dealing with three guys that
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of people think are going to be the
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: first three picks.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: Or it could be overrated.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: No, Fred, there's always a chance. There's always a chance.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: Last year, three of the top four were quarterbacks. One
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: of them was great, one of them was bad, and
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: one of them got hurt. Like that could happen.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 6: But is it which is it fair to say that
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 6: there are probably two players in this draft class that
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 6: people are maybe considering his generational players, and it would
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 6: be Caleb Williams and Marvin Harrison Junior.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I think that there's a lot of
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: that because of his name, Sure I could, but.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 6: I think he's terrific, is a generational So it's just
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 6: like you know, and after after the last four years,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 6: except for you just said, like three years ago, there
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 6: was a guy who was similarly thought of.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: So how generational is its? Every year the top wide
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: receiver is like that? Not every year the top quarterbacks
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: after all.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: These drafts of overthinking it. You know, for some people,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 5: it's staring you right in the face.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: Right, Well, and that's what like he five years ago
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: with Jamar Chase, like we're talking about so it was
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: it was he's drafted in twenty twenty.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: He's so like, what are we talking? He's played four years?
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: So that so that's four years. Okay, that's not generational.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: I mean then did you like use your whatever you
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: turn justin Jefferson?
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: Know what was he like a year before that? Like,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: it's not a generational pick quarterback. I go back to
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: Andrew Luck. I haven't seen a prospect like Andrew Luck since.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: A lot of people would say Trevor Lawrence was on that.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: Level and he didn't hit right, and he didn't hit
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: He's not to that level, to that level, he's not
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: been that guy. That's my point.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: I want to take another call. Devlin's been hanging on
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: for a while. He's in Florida. What's up, Devlin James?
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Yeah, what's up?
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 5: Guys?
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 13: I just wanted to go to back to Paul's point
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 13: about coordinators and kind of being a stepping stone or
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 13: this new England being a stepping stone for coordinators. Don't
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 13: you think we would need someone that can stay for
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 13: multiple years if you want to kind of have like
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 13: an established and run kind of similar to a dynasty.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 13: Obviously we can't replicate what Tom Brady did. Yeah, but
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 13: just try to have a you know.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's what Paul said in the Best of
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 5: Both Worlds. He does.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: Really, I didn't say New England should be a stepping stone.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: I think the coordinator positions should be stepping stones. I
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: don't care what organization you ran. Now, you should want
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: that guy to build a really good offense or defense
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: as the case may be, and he's generating interest, and
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: then you replace him because you have a system in
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: place and you've said, up, that's what they did in
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: the early two thousands. It was the same. The reason
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: why Tom Brady so effortlessly kept moving on is because
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: it was the same.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 6: Offense, right, And that highlights the importance of hiring a
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 6: good staff that's deep.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: That's what you want.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 6: Hit like Detroit, they're looking at all, right, Ben Johnson's
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 6: gonna leave.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: We got a guy waiting, And that's like whatever was
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: talking about, have that succession plan in place, and I
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: think that's what Detroit did.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: And I gave Bill Belichick a lot of credit over
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: the years for having that structure in place with guys
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: in the waiting, and you know, finally the brain drain
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: caught up to them. All right, Thanks Devin. I got
• 1:25:09
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