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Patriots Unfiltered 12/24: Bills Recap, Practice Report, Draft Talk · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 5: It is Christmas Eve here at you. Let's stay. The
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  Speaker 5: stockings were all hanging out ready to be stuffed. And uh,
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  Speaker 5: by the way, I'm ready to be stuffed too. I
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  Speaker 5: I guess not, but I'm hungry. I haven't eaten.
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  Speaker 6: not now.
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  Speaker 5: Paul is here, Alex is here, Evan will be here,
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  Speaker 5: Douce will be here, and uh Matt's in the booth
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  Speaker 5: and we're getting ready for the the I almost said
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  Speaker 5: San Diego the LA Chargers on Saturday. What do you
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  Speaker 5: think Paul Alex excited about this game?
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  Speaker 6: I don't want to talk about Buffalo little first.
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  Speaker 5: I guess we should. I just got through listening to
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  Speaker 5: an hour of John Rook talk about it, so I was,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I figured everything that needs to be said
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  Speaker 5: has been said. But yeah, a.
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  Speaker 6: Disrespectful no no.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. So, I mean everyone is pretty I wouldn't say satisfied,
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  Speaker 5: but it's pleasantly surprised by the performance on Sunday.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I was pleasantly surprised that the game
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  Speaker 6: was It was competitive.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 7: The first corner. No one expected that for a first.
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  Speaker 6: Of all, I didn't. I'm not gonna lie and tell
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  Speaker 6: you know. I mean, I talked about all week that
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  Speaker 6: being a possibility that Buffalo wasn't going to be ready
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  Speaker 6: to play, but I didn't think it was going to happen.
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  Speaker 6: So I can't just lie and say I picked the
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  Speaker 6: Patriots to cover. I didn't.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a possibility, and it happened. But I think,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we're talking about the fourteenth point, you know,
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  Speaker 5: jumping out to the fourteenth point lead. But I think
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  Speaker 5: equally impressive was holding you know, Josh Allen and their
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  Speaker 5: offense to seventeen points. I thought they did better the
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  Speaker 5: run game. The run defense did better, and.
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  Speaker 6: Run defense, yeah was abysmal.
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  Speaker 5: No, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 6: Now for the Patriots run defense. They had one hundred
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  Speaker 6: and seventy two yards Russia.
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  Speaker 5: They had those two big runs.
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  Speaker 6: And none of it and none of it was Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 5: They had those two big runs.
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  Speaker 6: No, the secondary was the difference.
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  Speaker 5: And I was just gonna say the secondary was outstanding.
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  Speaker 5: I think you know, they always have that planned when
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  Speaker 5: they had the mobile quarterback to just you know, keep
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  Speaker 5: them behind the line kind of not allow him to
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  Speaker 5: get away. And that plan.
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  Speaker 6: Now didn't run. Yeah, he didn't want to run.
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  Speaker 5: But no, but he would go. He would go parallel
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  Speaker 5: to the line and there was always guys.
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  Speaker 6: That's why he didn't want to run right and he
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  Speaker 6: kept going back behind the run defense. I don't have
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  Speaker 6: anything good to say about run defense. You want to
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  Speaker 6: talk about secondary, I'm here for that all day. I
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  Speaker 6: thought they played man coverage for the most part. They
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  Speaker 6: were talking about on the broadcast. There was a lot
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  Speaker 6: of single high safety to which you know, should have
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  Speaker 6: invited some some chunk plays for Josh Allen, and they
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  Speaker 6: didn't have any.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 6: I thought they did a really really good job of
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  Speaker 6: of sticky coverage, as they say, and man in a
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  Speaker 6: out of those plays. Allen just ran around for days
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  Speaker 6: and days and days behind the last scrimmage and still
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  Speaker 6: couldn't find anybody to throw to. So I thought defensively overall,
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  Speaker 6: I thought it was maybe the best performance of the
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  Speaker 6: year considering the opponent. And I thought pass defense in
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  Speaker 6: particular was really good.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, you could look at the Chicago game
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  Speaker 5: or of course Week one, but you know, since since
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  Speaker 5: Week one, this is probably their best defensive effort and.
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  Speaker 7: Against probably one of the best the best teams, if not.
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  Speaker 6: Second high second highest scoring team in the league, and
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  Speaker 6: they were red hot when they when they came in.
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  Speaker 6: I thought it was really good.
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  Speaker 7: Marcus Jones too, some guys stepped up. It was very
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  Speaker 7: nice to see.
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  Speaker 5: I thought. I thought Booty had a particularly good game
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  Speaker 5: played well, you know, made some really clutch catches. The
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  Speaker 5: tight ends were good.
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  Speaker 8: Yep.
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  Speaker 6: I would agree.
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  Speaker 5: You take away the turnovers and you might have won
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  Speaker 5: this game. You might have won this game, right, you know, the.
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  Speaker 6: Watch won the game. I don't know. Now they gave
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  Speaker 6: the game away with the turnovers. Yeah, I mean, but
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  Speaker 6: I mean, would they have won it? I don't know. Well, listen,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I mean as well as you played and
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  Speaker 6: as bad as they played. It was fourteen fourteen before
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  Speaker 6: there were any turn.
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  Speaker 5: Now I know. But you know, you gave him seven
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  Speaker 5: points with that.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, you gave the game away three turnovers, three consecutive possessions.
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  Speaker 6: You gave the game away.
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  Speaker 5: On the on the interception that was intended for Hooper
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  Speaker 5: that probably took three points off the board. You know,
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  Speaker 5: So I could I could make a case for winning
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  Speaker 5: this game if it weren't for the turnovers.
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  Speaker 6: They could have.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, so take that for what it's worth.
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  Speaker 5: You go into this game now against the Chargers team.
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  Speaker 5: If they win this game, I believe they clinch a
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  Speaker 5: playoff Berth, so they've got something to play for. Well
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  Speaker 5: coached team, impressive win last week. You know, Patriots, if
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  Speaker 5: they do well, again this week, we'll probably be saying
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  Speaker 5: this thing.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm more curious what you guys think of that.
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  Speaker 6: Like you said, for what it's worth, what do you
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  Speaker 6: think it was worth the game, the performance against Buffalo?
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  Speaker 5: Like long term, long term, not a hell of a lot.
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  Speaker 5: But that's what I'm saying. That's why I say for
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  Speaker 5: what it's worth, it's not worth.
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  Speaker 6: Like, yeah, I'm just curious it's not worth like.
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  Speaker 5: Saying, like, for example, if you go back to you know,
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  Speaker 5: nineteen ninety four, you know that was worth a lot
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  Speaker 5: or not, you know, because it gave them a lot
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  Speaker 5: of momentum and it showed what they could do, and
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  Speaker 5: they carried that momentum into the next season and made
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  Speaker 5: the playoffs I believe, or they did ninety three.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, they did, but they you know, they were
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  Speaker 6: winning games.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. I don't think it's that. I don't think
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  Speaker 5: what we're seeing now is an indication of what we're
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  Speaker 5: going to see next year. But I just think it's
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  Speaker 5: just good for the culture. It's good for guys who
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  Speaker 5: will be here next year that if they can continue
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  Speaker 5: this for the next two games. I'm saying, playing competitively,
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  Speaker 5: you know, relatively well just to have a good taste
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  Speaker 5: in your mouth when the season's over totally, you know,
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  Speaker 5: instead of like getting blown out the last three games
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  Speaker 5: and you go into the offseason like, you know, a loser.
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  Speaker 7: Basically, Yeah, And I think if they had gone into
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  Speaker 7: Buffalo and gotten the doors blown off of them, what
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  Speaker 7: would the next couple of weeks be like, Like how
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  Speaker 7: do you get play motivation right to really show out?
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  Speaker 7: And I don't know, I just think it was it
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  Speaker 7: was huge for just morale in there.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, we know what the deficiencies of this
• 8:01
  Speaker 5: team are, so do the players. The players know what
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  Speaker 5: the roster is, they know what the injury situation is,
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  Speaker 5: they know what the the inexperience of the coaching situation is.
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  Speaker 5: They know that. But if you can play competitively, it
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  Speaker 5: gives them a little hope, just a little hope to
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  Speaker 5: the guys who are going to be here next year.
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  Speaker 9: So I think it's.
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  Speaker 6: Worth and I agree with what the way Alex said
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  Speaker 6: it too. I think it allows you to at least
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  Speaker 6: continue to play out the string and you get blown
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  Speaker 6: out week after week after week. It's it's hard to
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  Speaker 6: do that. So I do think at the very least
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  Speaker 6: it allows them to continue to, you know, to play
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  Speaker 6: with professionalism.
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  Speaker 5: I mean they have flick at last night, you know,
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  Speaker 5: thirty four to nothing. You know, the Saints get blown out.
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  Speaker 6: I mean I've heard a lot of that. Today. It's
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  Speaker 6: a little different in the situation. They blew out their coach,
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  Speaker 6: their quarterback is out, the best receivers out, Like it's
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  Speaker 6: a little bit of a different situation. Sure, but I
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  Speaker 6: don't think it was an effort problem last night. They
• 8:59
  Speaker 6: just got killed by a much better team that was
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  Speaker 6: playing well.
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  Speaker 5: I never have said it was an effort problem.
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  Speaker 6: No, I'm just saying I've heard a lot of that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: this is what could happen. You know, they could roll
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  Speaker 6: over time, like, yeah, sure, we could have fired Jerrid Mayo,
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  Speaker 6: and you know, maybe Jeremy Springer was the coach, because
• 9:13
  Speaker 6: that's the equivalent Jeremy Springer was the head coach. That's
• 9:17
  Speaker 6: what the Saints are dealing with right now. And instead
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  Speaker 6: of Drake a playing quarterback, Joe Milton's playing. That's the
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  Speaker 6: equivalent of what's going on in New Orleans.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, they can't be feeling good over there
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  Speaker 5: about all this stuff, you know, So there's a differences
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  Speaker 5: there's a difference obviously from what they're doing and what
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots did on Sundays. So again, it's it's not
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  Speaker 5: worth a hell of a lot. It doesn't mean you're
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  Speaker 5: going to make the playoffs next year at all, but
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  Speaker 5: it's just just a little better taste in your mouth.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, Yeah, And I'm not again I said it at
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  Speaker 6: the beginning, I'll say it now. I didn't. I thought
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  Speaker 6: they were going to have a hard time keeping up.
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  Speaker 5: Why wouldn't anyone.
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  Speaker 6: I thought they would have a hard time keeping up,
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  Speaker 6: and they didn't. Yeah, they kept up.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I mean ultimately, like you said, for the mistakes cost
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  Speaker 6: you any chance to win, Like they had no chance
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  Speaker 6: to win the game in the second half, none, but
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  Speaker 6: it was because of their own mistakes.
• 10:12
  Speaker 5: Yep, yep. Obviously the turnovers are big mistakes. But would
• 10:17
  Speaker 5: you consider going for the punt on fourth and sixth mistake?
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  Speaker 6: Not going for a punt? Yeah, Like you're trying to
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  Speaker 6: win the game or you're trying to only lose.
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  Speaker 5: They punted on fourth and sixth on midfield.
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  Speaker 6: I would say, you're trying to win the game or
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  Speaker 6: you're trying to lose.
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  Speaker 5: By a little I don't know. If they try to
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  Speaker 5: lose by a little Yeah, I don't know why they
• 10:35
  Speaker 5: did that.
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  Speaker 7: I feel like the momentum was really in their favor
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  Speaker 7: at that point in the game.
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  Speaker 10: Two.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, but it's like, I think there was
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  Speaker 5: like eight, it was eight, it was.
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  Speaker 6: Eight thirty three left, you're down ten from the forty
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  Speaker 6: five forty six yard line. Yeah, Like, if you don't
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  Speaker 6: get it, I don't really see any difference between what happened. Yeah,
• 10:55
  Speaker 6: you still have to stop Buffalo basically three and oh,
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  Speaker 6: because if they get a couple of first downs, the
• 11:00
  Speaker 6: game's over anyway. And that's what happened. Yep, And Buffalo
• 11:04
  Speaker 6: moved the ball really consistently in the second half. They
• 11:07
  Speaker 6: didn't they didn't have the ball in the first half
• 11:09
  Speaker 6: because the Patriots controlled the ball. Do you know the
• 11:12
  Speaker 6: Patriots had the ball two to one in the first half. Oh,
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  Speaker 6: you know what it was in the second.
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  Speaker 5: Half the other way.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Like that to me is why I can't I
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  Speaker 6: can't just punt it back. Yeah, right, I'm not going
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  Speaker 6: to get it, and I need two possessions, and there's
• 11:27
  Speaker 6: not enough time for two possessions unless I do something
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  Speaker 6: I haven't really done since the second quarter.
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  Speaker 5: Yep, yep. I mean we have to remember that the
• 11:37
  Speaker 5: Bills were without three of their four secondary starters. They
• 11:41
  Speaker 5: were without Milano in the middle. They did create a
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  Speaker 5: lot of pressure.
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  Speaker 6: I would say less about the You're right about the personnel,
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  Speaker 6: but I just didn't feel like Buffalo really brought it.
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  Speaker 6: I you know, again, I said I thought it was
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  Speaker 6: a possibility, but I didn't think it was going to happen.
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  Speaker 6: It happened like. I don't think Josh Allen wanted to
• 12:01
  Speaker 6: run in that game. I don't know how. I just
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  Speaker 6: feel like they made a decision we don't need him
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  Speaker 6: to run this week. And as it was, he landed
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  Speaker 6: on his elbow on one of the scrambles, and I
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  Speaker 6: think he probably got like that, yeah, because it looked
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  Speaker 6: like he couldn't throw the ball after that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, he was visiting with that hand. That seemed like
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  Speaker 7: the entire second half ish from the point of that injury.
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  Speaker 5: So let me ask you questions. The Patriots play as
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  Speaker 5: well as they did on Sunday against the Chargers.
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  Speaker 6: Do they Chargers play? But do the Chargers play the
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  Speaker 6: way they did in the second half against Denver.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know how that was you you.
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  Speaker 6: Just said they're coming off a big win.
• 12:41
  Speaker 5: Well, the overall game, it was a big win.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, So if they did the Chargers play like that,
• 12:47
  Speaker 6: I'm trying to think Chargers play like they did last Thursday.
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  Speaker 6: They win by two scores. Denver answer the question.
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  Speaker 5: Denver jumped out to a lead in that one, twenty
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  Speaker 5: one to twenty one to ten, and then the Chargers
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  Speaker 5: came back in the second half. Right, So let's say
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots jump out to an eleven point lead in
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  Speaker 5: the first half, no turnovers. Do they win that game
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  Speaker 5: against the Chargers?
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  Speaker 6: I doubt it.
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  Speaker 5: No. You think the Chargers have as much power as.
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  Speaker 6: Much as the Bills. No, Yeah, they're not a high
• 13:13
  Speaker 6: power team at all.
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  Speaker 5: So that's what I'm trying to add.
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  Speaker 6: But they're a better defense.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but you already got an eleven point lead. Yeah,
• 13:19
  Speaker 5: I know.
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  Speaker 6: I could see them shutting you out. Yeah, Buffalo did
• 13:22
  Speaker 6: until there was a minute left in the game. And
• 13:24
  Speaker 6: I don't think Buffalo's defense as good at all.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well it's not bad.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's pretty bad.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's going to cost them again. You think so, yeah, good,
• 13:33
  Speaker 6: it's my analysis.
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  Speaker 5: Good.
• 13:34
  Speaker 6: We don't want Bills, Fred's Fred's hated teams are.
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  Speaker 5: Gonna absolutely lose.
• 13:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't. I still creeping around now.
• 13:41
  Speaker 5: I can't decide. I can't decide if I want the
• 13:43
  Speaker 5: Bills to just get knocked out before the super Bowl
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  Speaker 5: or go to the super Bowl and yet again lose. Yeah,
• 13:50
  Speaker 5: either one would make me really happy.
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  Speaker 7: The Bills I kind of want to see win the
• 13:54
  Speaker 7: super Bowl. Really, I really. Yeah.
• 13:57
  Speaker 5: That upsets nature. It's not natural.
• 13:59
  Speaker 7: I know it's not natural. That's why it's natural. It'd
• 14:02
  Speaker 7: be nice to see them get one.
• 14:04
  Speaker 5: No, it wouldn't. Why I don't. I'm not a Bills fan.
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: I don't. I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: They were just like our little brother that was never
• 14:10
  Speaker 7: as good as we were for years, and I want
• 14:12
  Speaker 7: to keep it. Yeah, but it's like, if they get one,
• 14:15
  Speaker 7: it's not.
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  Speaker 5: If they get one, they'll be putting in billboard one.
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  Speaker 5: I don't.
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  Speaker 7: We'll get to make fun of them for it and
• 14:20
  Speaker 7: be like, act like you've been here before, Oh wait,
• 14:22
  Speaker 7: you haven't, and then we can joke about it, and
• 14:24
  Speaker 7: then they'll go.
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  Speaker 6: To But now it's just the whole thing planning.
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  Speaker 5: If they win one, now we can't say, well, you know,
• 14:33
  Speaker 5: then we have.
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  Speaker 7: Six, you have one, but you got you got your one. Yeah,
• 14:38
  Speaker 7: say that's really cute. We're happy for you.
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: We can't say to them anymore, well, you haven't won anything.
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: I want to be able to continue to say that
• 14:45
  Speaker 5: fair enough.
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  Speaker 7: It's not a threat to me if they win one,
• 14:48
  Speaker 7: because you know, I don't think they'll continue to sustain
• 14:51
  Speaker 7: it year after year. Like I don't think it'll be
• 14:52
  Speaker 7: a cheap situation.
• 14:53
  Speaker 6: I don't think they would win six. But as long
• 14:55
  Speaker 6: as long as Josh Allen as their quarterback, they will
• 14:57
  Speaker 6: be a contender every year.
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: You know, because you drive into Orchard Park and the
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: bus and the fans are just giving you the finger.
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: You might see some moons here and I would love
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: to get hit by snowballs, you know, which is all fine, good.
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: I want to I wanted to put a sign on
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: the bus, you know, Scott Scott nor would express as
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: we drove in, you know, or like what if you
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: won something like that? You know, to troll them.
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  Speaker 6: But uh, which is why he doesn't get along.
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: We probably wouldn't make it if we did that.
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  Speaker 6: But no, that's that is assover. That is a tough entrance.
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  Speaker 5: It's a tough Entrance.
• 15:31
  Speaker 6: But every year.
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: But it but I don't care because you guys haven't
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: won anything. Yeah, you know, if you win a super Bowl,
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: then now you've won a super Bowl. Now you're off
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: the snide.
• 15:44
  Speaker 7: I get it.
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: So yeah, I don't have the Buffalo hatred that Fred does.
• 15:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, me either, Like the Jets have it all for
• 15:50
  Speaker 7: me in terms of division rivals, for.
• 15:52
  Speaker 6: Me, it's always been Miami.
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, see I don't. I don't saying, but I don't
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: have a hatred of Miami that you have.
• 15:59
  Speaker 7: My least hated division rival.
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: Well, for me, it was always Shula on the like
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: the competition committee, like creating rules for himself and the
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: fact that the Patriots could never beat them. Yep, with
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: Greasy and Marino, they've never won down there obviously until
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: they finally did in eighty five. But I always I
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: just always hated Miami.
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, going back to of the game, Marty Mapu, aside
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: from the bone Head, played great game. For Yeah, I
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: was gonna say this game, I said, Aside from the
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: bone had played trying to get out of the end zone.
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: I thought he had a good game.
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: I thought he played really well. And this is it's
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: something that you know as you guys know that these
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: random things that just kind of annoy me. It sided
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: would annoy me, like the last couple of games that
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: he's been a healthy scratch.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: Maybe he needed that.
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: He's a second year player, he needs to play. No,
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: but maybe you know, like like for what would he
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: need that for?
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: Maybe we don't know, but I'm just saying there's gotta
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: be a reason why he wasn't seeing the field recently.
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: He wasn't dressed.
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: Okay, so semantics Paul didn't see the field, wasn't dressed.
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: There's gotta be a reason for that.
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: They didn't think he was one of their best players. Why,
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: I don't know. Okay, so what he probably isn't okay,
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: but I think he is a second year guy. He
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: needs to play instead of Jabrol Peppers. Well okay, I
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: don't think that's all that controversial.
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: They didn't and maybe there was a good reason for that,
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: and maybe he needed that time to like reflect on
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: why aren't they putting me out here? I need to
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: step up? And maybe that worked, you know, different things
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: to motivate different players. Maybe he needed that time out
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: from his coaches.
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: You give the coaches a pass. I'm not like it's
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: ridiculous that he wasn't.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: Dressed so arbitrarily, they just said, we're not going to
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: address you.
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: It's no reason, it's not no. They arbitrarily didn't decide
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: to put him back in the lineup either. Jabrill Pepper's
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: got hurt on Friday at practice, but opened up a
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: spot on the roster. That's why he played well.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: We're told he got hurt. I don't know about the.
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: Heard in practice on Friday. Was added to the injury
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: board Friday.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: Okay, all right, good, but I'm just saying that.
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: Now they're just making stuff up on the injury.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: Maybe maybe this time out for Mapou helped him, you
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: know a little time, but it.
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: Was wrong with when he was playing earlier.
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: He wasn't playing well at all.
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: As ask Evan, Why do I have to ask Evan?
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: I can watch the game myself.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: Because he grinds the all twenty two.
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: This is he didn't even play.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: It's really hard to tell, Like I, I can't watch
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: a game and know what a safety like, did he
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: have a great game? The only time you know what
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: kind of game he has is when he screws up
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: or when he makes you know, great play.
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: Screw up on Sunday. I thought he I thought he
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: had good coverage on Sunday exactly. I didn't need the
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: interception to show.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: Him he was involved. And I thought he had a
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: good game, and I thought it might have been his
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: best game.
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: Players need to be playing, That's all I will say.
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: If you want to get better, your young players need
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: to get better and develop and play well.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: I think your best players need to be playing. And
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: you know, I can't imagine that for no reason they decided,
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: oh ma, Pho, you're out. I think there was a reason.
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: I think that he wasn't for you know, playing up
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: to his ability. Wasn't you know, getting the game plan right?
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: Whatever it is they felt.
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: But they but that's does that mean it's right.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying, I don't know if it's.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Right or right.
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: I assume, Alex that they have like reasoning, like when
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: they say Jacoby Brissett is going to be the starting
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: quarterback in Week one, Their reasoning was they wanted to
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: integrate Drake may slowly. I think that was the wrong reason.
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: I know they had one, doesn't mean I have to
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: agree with it, okay, right, Like, I mean, what's the difference.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: So you think before they sat Mapoo he was having
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: a good season. I don't know.
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: He didn't play enough. He was getting played, like two
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: games he was he was sitting.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: He was getting panned before this. And you know how
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: was Kyle Dugger played. He was getting panned as well.
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: Did they sit him? Maybe he needed to sit so
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: he could go to the penalty box between minutes and
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: field shait.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: Maybe they didn't have an alternative to Dugger.
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: They had MANI ma pool. Well, okay, this is my
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: whole point. Just because a guy's not playing well playing,
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: I don't seem to remember these like egregiously bad plays
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: that Mapoo was making. I don't necessarily ever remember making
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: any good plays like he did on Sunday before this,
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: either in fairness to you and not that I thought
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: he was lighting it up. But I don't remember him
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: being like del Pettis, he plays every game. I could
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: give you a litany of plays that I remember in
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: being out of position. Okay, so he's a young guy.
• 20:33
  Speaker 11: You live with it.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: You want to get So you're saying they mistreated Mapoo.
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: I didn't say anything about mistreat I think they made mistakes. Fred,
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: Why does it have to be like an egregiously, like malicious,
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: like like they mistreated.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: I think if Mapoo was playing as well as del
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: Pettis or Pepper's or or Duggar, I think he would
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: have been dressed. I think there was a reason why you.
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: Can't play safety worse than Kyle Dugert did in Miami.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: No, he was awful.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: And he didn't miss a second playing time.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: Over it except for being a little bit.
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: So that's not not since then, Yeah, he hasn't been hurt.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: But I I I'm telling you, Paul that whether you
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: think it, I know it's right or wrong. I think
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: there was a reason why he was not dressed, and
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: I think it might have helped him because I think
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: he had his best game.
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: Well, I think it hurt him. I think he could
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: have done what he did on Sunday the previous five
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: games had he played. Yeah, I know, I was were
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: playing in fantasy land of having no idea what happened.
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: I'm going to go with that he would have been better.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: Well, listen, I'm you know I've never coached in the NFL.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: You have, so you know more than I do.
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: No, I you know, I but you can't make a
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: you can't make a comment and say I think he
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: benefited from not playing.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: I can make that comment.
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: Then I can say I think it heard him not
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: playing and he would have been better on Sunday. Fine,
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: and they would have won the game had he had
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: they played the last three years.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: That's fine. We can disagree.
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: That's every bit as silly, is what you're saying.
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: I think you're both right.
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: Why I.
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: Experience a fire under him that he was sitting like,
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: I think you're both right.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: It might have, But to say that it did, I
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: don't think you can do it.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: I say, I said, I think, I think, I think
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: that opinions.
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: I just like, I just don't really understand what the
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: other side is of not playing a young guy that
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: needs experience. I don't really know what the other side is.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: Does del Pettis need experience?
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: Yes, that's why playing Okay, that's why I'm all. That's
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: why even though he's making mistakes, I understand what he's doing.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: I don't think del Pettis has anywhere near the upside
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: that Mapoo. Do you know?
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: Every Sunday is a numbers game, like and the coaches
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: have to make a decision. Who are we going to
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: be out here, Who's who's going to give us lost?
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: If it was between Mapoo and Pettis, it would be
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: Mapoo for me, for you, right, because there's like there's
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: upside there, there's size, there's athleticism, there's pedigree. He was
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: a third round pick, not an undrafted rookie. Like, there's
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: a lot more to be gained. If Mapoo was good,
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: unless there's some other if it's just a miss and
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: it's not another bad draft pick by Belichick, then by
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: all means don't play him. But I don't think that's
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: the case.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: I don't think.
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: I don't think we know yet.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: This WEE weekend will be interesting. You'll see if Pepper's
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: is back in, if Duggar has a big role, you'll see, Okay,
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: how are they going to use it? Because they saw
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: that he can play. He made great plays. He was
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: very active, aside from the the touchback situation, which you.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Can also.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: That was a bad play and you kind of.
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: See him like, at least from the broadcast point vantage point.
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: I don't know if you guys saw it looked like
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: he kind of like stopped at the last minute.
• 23:33
  Speaker 12: But then.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: I agree with that, but let's mark this down because
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: I want to get the opinions of Deuce and.
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: Evan, but I don't like, I don't really understand, Like,
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: why can I not think that he should play? Like
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: I know they have a reason.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: You keep saying, what does I have an opinion? He
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: has an opinion? But Paul, why can't I have my opinion?
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: Who said you can't have your opinion?
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: You have an opinion? That is that's why he's not playing?
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: Said maybe maybe this was good.
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: For him, And I'm saying, like, why did he need it?
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I'm saying, but maybe the cor.
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: You know what, You're right, Let's let's kind of take
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: a step back. What makes you think that? Like, I'm
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: curious as to what have you seen that makes you
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: think that he needed to it?
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah? To think because I remember when he was playing,
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: everybody thought Marty Mapoo isn't getting it. He's not playing.
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: I don't think he's all that good.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'll say that that could be, but.
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: This game, right, But I want I just want to
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: find out, like I would not have said Jalen Polk
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: needed to sit four games Week three through five. I
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: want to see him play to see if he can
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: get out of this. Yeah, now it's been fifteen weeks
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: kind of out on a Jalen Polk experience. Do you know,
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: you know, like you don't know unless you see him playing.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: Okay, but we saw.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: I was just curious as to why you thought because
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: Mapoo needed that, which is probably a better way of
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: me than being his argumentative.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: I don't think he was playing well, and I think
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: the coaches decided We're going to see what combination we
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: can you know, at safety will be better and whatever.
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: Maybe and if I'm Mapoo, I'm like, I should be
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: out there. I'm better, I'm better than del Pettis. I'm
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: I'm playing as well as as Dougger. I should be
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: out there. And maybe, you know, being not dressed, like
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: you said, lit a fire under him and and it
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: resulted in him having his best game so far this season.
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: That might have been That might have been the That's
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: all I'm saying. I mean, I can't again, no, but
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: because I can't argue something that's impossible to prove, So
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: that might have been the case. But you try to
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: say but that, But that's why I'm saying.
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: I think speaking hypothetical.
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: I think if he played every game, they'd have five
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: more wins, especially sause I don't have any more, you know,
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: like evidence that that would be the case. Then I
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: know that you're not saying you'll have to jog, but
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: I think it's equally silly.
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: You'll have to jog my memory.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: But why why am what I'm saying is silly?
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: I don't because you don't, because that's why I ask
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: you if you had anything to go on, and.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: We have nothing to go on with anything. We don't
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: have all the infor like so like.
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: But but the information that I'm going on is he's
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: not on the injury port, so he's not. I could
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: sit here's a healthy scratch.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: I can sit here and say Scott Peters is not
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: a good offensive line coach according to you, that's silly.
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: Okay, So that's not silly. You're basing down on the
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: performance of the offensive line and how many and how
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: many mental mistakes they've.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: Had, And I was basing it on the performance of
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: Money Mopoo.
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: Except for the Moni map Poo hasn't played until Sunday.
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: Except for the first game when he played every snap
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: when he was healthy.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: He was playing he played then is his role.
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: Kind of disappeared?
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: I don't know, This is my point.
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: Okay, jog my memory. When we were without both Dugger
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: and Peppers, what was his playing time?
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: Like that's what he played a lot, Like Peppers was
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: out the whole time because he got for weeks, ye
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: for a week, for a long time, and so he
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: came back off the injury and played like if you
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: recall like every snap of his first game back. Now,
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: I don't think he played particularly great, but I thought
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: it was impressive that he did such a full workload.
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: Then he got hurt and I thought that wasn't Now
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: here's what I'd be willing to say that I might
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: be able to go on Fred's side. He's not on
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: the injury report anymore, but maybe he's not physically right
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: and they wanted to make sure that you know, I
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: think he had a neck injury, I want to say,
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: which in particular to me, is something you might want
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: to err on the side of caution. So maybe that
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: had more to do with it. But again, like I'm
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: just going off of the information that we do know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: and that's what I'm trying to base my opinion on.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: Like if you said that Scott Peters thing, I'm not
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: just saying that I'm looking at Scott Peters. I don't
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: think he's a good coach. No, I'm watching the offensive
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: line struggle week after week with a lot of mental
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: mistakes with a lot of guys who aren't good with
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: mental mistakes. Again, doesn't have anything to do with talent,
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: missing guys rushing up on the same tackle and stunt
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: that worked in week one is working in week sixteen
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: against the same guys. So if I think that he's
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: not doing a great job, that's what I'm basing it on,
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: not because I have no information. I just said, yeah,
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: I don't know if he's a good coach.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: Listen, I'm facing on what I saw from Ma poo
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: before before he got he sat and he wasn't playing well.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: Maybe the coaches felt that. Like I said, let's see
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: what some other combinations are.
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: We don't have to go through this. When the guys
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: come back, I'd.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: Just like to get their opinion. Maybe they agree with you, Paul.
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: The difference is I don't care if they do or not.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: No, obviously, Jeremiah writes, and I think it's kind of
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: funny that Paul's arguing for Mapoo to play when the
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: same argument he's making he trash for the same situation
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: as Baker. As Paul said, with Baker, if the coach
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: is fault, he was doing enough, then he'd be out
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: there getting snaps.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: Baker hasn't been a healthy scratch. We don't know active
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: in all of these games.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: We don't know what's going on in practice or even
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: though I think Mapoo and Baker both should be getting
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: snaps just to see what they have in a real
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: game situation and not an If Baker.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: Was a healthy scratch every week, I would say the
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: same thing. But he's not. He's been active all these games,
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: But if he see I would argue, would then with
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: you then as well, because if he wasn't active Baker,
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: I'd be like, they just don't think he gets it,
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: Like he'd be out there if they thought it was
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: worth putting him out there.
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: No, but if they had. Let's put it this way,
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: Baker to me is when they have five receivers in
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: the roster, I think they have five active receivers. He's
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: number five. Yeah, I don't think Mapu was the last safety, No,
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: But that's that that to me is a difference too.
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: He's being treated like he's the last season. Well, I mentioned,
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: I don't think he is.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: I mentioned it's a numbers game. It's a numbers game
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: of wide receiver too. But I like if they if
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: they were not dressing Baker all year, my assumption would be,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: and I don't have the information, but my assumption would be,
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: he ain't getting it in practice.
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: He's not earning any he's not getting into practice, but
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: they're still giving them chances. Yeah, that's my point. So
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: that's the only way you can find out for sure. Well,
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: it's the only way you can find out for sure
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: is if well, but if some guys don't practice well.
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: I know. But if you're setting a culture that you
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: know you earn it in practice and the guy is
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: screwing up in practice, you're not setting a good sending
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: a good message to the rest of the team. If
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: he's getting his chances anyway, that's not I don't think
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: that's the way to run your team.
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: Again, we're making this assumption now that Madi Map who
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: is not practicing.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't know. There's some reason why he wasn't
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: playing well either. I don't know about the practice. But
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: there's some reason why he wasn't dressed, right.
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: I have.
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: I have absolutely no idea, but I assume there's a reason. Yes,
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: I think that's a logical assumption.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: Okay, And whatever that we were assigning it. And all
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: I was saying is whatever that reason was. Maybe I'm
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: not saying it happened. Maybe having to sit for a
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: while helped him light a fire. I'm using Alex's words,
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: and it resulted in him having his best game.
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: Certainly plausible.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: I mean, it wouldn't be the first time in pro
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: sports where somebody got a time out and came back
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: with fire.
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: Certainly plausible.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: I remember that game, you know, not that Richard Seymour
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: ever needed it, but I remember when he got in
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: trouble when his dad died and didn't communicate with the
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: team about when he was coming back. You know, of
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: course they expected him to miss some days, but he
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: didn't tell him when he or miscommunicated when he was
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: coming back, and they benched him for I don't know
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: was first quarter. First quarter. He came back in that
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: second quarter like like he was going to just destroy
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: the world. You know, he was pissed. Sometimes it works,
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: you know anyway, all right? H eight five five pass
• 32:06
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• 32:12
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• 32:22
  Speaker 5: a Christmas edition?
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: I think we'll do a mini one of two shows, right, yeah, yeah,
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: we'll have a little mini one kind of Thanksgiving.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: Esk okay, all right, that'll be coming out Friday. We've
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: got calls, we've got emails coming in. We've got the
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: guys now today or I should say tomorrow. There's a
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: couple of games for on Christmas on Netflix, so today
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: we will pick those games, and then on Thursday we'll
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: have our normal you know, picks sessions, so we won't
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: have to hurry quite as much because we'll have already
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: picked two games. You're gonna be watching on Netflix on
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: Christmas Day?
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: Probably I will put it on. I will likely not
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: be watching, but I'll put it on, so it's like
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: for everybody that wants to sure background.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: I'll be watching. I don't think they're going to have
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: the problems with streaming it that they did with the
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: Tyson fight.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: Now, what do you think they fixed it or I
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: think people streaming.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: I think both. I think I think they're going to
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: figure that out because what I understood for Tyson is
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: it wasn't widespread. It was so in clusters in the country,
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: so certainly where I was living, I had problems. Yeah,
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: so they'll look at those areas and they'll they'll load
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: balance it better.
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: They've done lives like the Brady Roast was live and
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: that seemed to go well.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, just I don't think a lot of people were
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: watching that live.
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, maybe you're not. Maybe you're right. Yeah, yeah,
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: I feel like even here some people weren't really like
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: excited to tune in that night. But then once I.
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: Never believed the numbers. But like the numbers that they
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: said for that Tyson Paul fight were like thirty sixty
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: six million or something like that. I don't believe it. Yeah,
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: I don't believe the numbers that they they tout.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: But yeah, that's like one fifth of the.
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: Country I know, and that's not counting the people on
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: a leader stream.
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Deuce is here.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Look who's back from the locker room? What was the
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: moon where the players friendly to that? None of them
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: looked like Derek Henryke What was it like in the.
• 34:27
  Speaker 12: Like?
• 34:28
  Speaker 13: What was it like in the.
• 34:32
  Speaker 10: So nice?
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: So nice?
• 34:34
  Speaker 10: Hi, everybody doing so great?
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: How are you?
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: We're doing great? Fred and I had a nice little
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: spat on Christmas Eve.
• 34:41
  Speaker 10: Yeah, airing agreements, Yeah, no, how novel Uh yeah, just
• 34:50
  Speaker 10: got back from the locker room. A lot of Christmas talk,
• 34:53
  Speaker 10: of course, favorite movies and those kinds of things. But
• 34:55
  Speaker 10: from a football perspective, which interests me besides Derwin James,
• 34:59
  Speaker 10: who apparently is the only player on the Chargers that anybody.
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: Want me to talk about.
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: I'm described there was a football question.
• 35:05
  Speaker 10: There were there was, but man Kem White, he ain't
• 35:07
  Speaker 10: having it. He ain't having It's no just any any
• 35:11
  Speaker 10: good vibes coming out of a game, or you know,
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: any positive silver linings, you know, I mean.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: You White just moved up a few notches on my books.
• 35:21
  Speaker 10: Season long thing it's been going on. I think I'd
• 35:22
  Speaker 10: mentioned it before, and of course it's it's hard when
• 35:24
  Speaker 10: you have Kendrick Bourne and Pop Douglas who are just
• 35:27
  Speaker 10: by nature happy and outgoing, and you know, but Kendrick
• 35:32
  Speaker 10: goes first and he talks a little bit about you know,
• 35:34
  Speaker 10: I think we did some things and you know, it's
• 35:36
  Speaker 10: just really up in the positive. And Keon comes in,
• 35:39
  Speaker 10: who of course has a Hall of Fame face already,
• 35:42
  Speaker 10: and just every question, no, no silver lines, there's nothing.
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: We get paid to.
• 35:46
  Speaker 11: Win, we're here to win.
• 35:47
  Speaker 10: We didn't win.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: There you go.
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: I had a couple of no comments, thank you.
• 35:52
  Speaker 10: Why has stopping the run been a problem?
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Is it?
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: Scheme?
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: Is a personnel? No comment? He had a couple of
• 35:57
  Speaker 11: no comments.
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: As well, kind of pulling back.
• 36:02
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think I think he just didn't really to me,
• 36:05
  Speaker 10: the vibe was he just didn't really feel like searching
• 36:07
  Speaker 10: for an answer to try to tell you, well.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: It's to answer that without calling out either your or
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: your tea.
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: I think it's kind of easy. It's everything we're not
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: we're not playing well enough.
• 36:18
  Speaker 10: You're a pro with this.
• 36:19
  Speaker 11: You know that's an easy one hand.
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: The no comment is put it on your Yeah, that's
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: why I but no comments not a good answer.
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: I think key On still has like that that Bill
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: rookie in him, and he very much wants to be
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: like that too, So it's kind of hard to like
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: be that awkward right.
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: Well, and also that way from day one exactly.
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: That's why he was like like a perfect fit bill
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: rookie because he didn't want to give you anything as
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: it was. But it's still so awkward to be thinking
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: on your toes to answer these questions without giving answers.
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: So maybe that was just like his quick default.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: The only thing happy about ke On White is his clothes.
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: Also his his little sleeping back situation. He has you
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: go by his locker. Okay, you know those big they
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: have these big I see people on the beach with them,
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: but they inflict. It's like an airbed. Keon has one
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: posted up in front of his locker and some days
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: you go in there and he has a blanket on,
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: he have like something over his head and he's knocked
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: out and it's like a full bed's it's really funny.
• 37:30
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 37:30
  Speaker 10: So he did have one Christmas answer, which was that
• 37:33
  Speaker 10: he would his parents would get in presence, and he
• 37:34
  Speaker 10: said he would play with the box more than he
• 37:36
  Speaker 10: would the toy. He's like I was an outdoor kid,
• 37:37
  Speaker 10: I'd always end up playing with the box and being
• 37:39
  Speaker 10: creative with it. So he's really a unique guy. I mean,
• 37:42
  Speaker 10: I think you know, you look at his face, you
• 37:43
  Speaker 10: look at me.
• 37:44
  Speaker 11: He just seems like a you know.
• 37:45
  Speaker 10: Stereotypical kind of tough football player, but he's got a
• 37:48
  Speaker 10: lot of stuff going on, a lot of interest.
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: He's a little shy, but he's really thoughtful. Like I
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: really enjoyed talking to him.
• 37:56
  Speaker 10: Yeah, well he uh yeah, he's not happy, that's for sure.
• 38:01
  Speaker 10: And uh, you know, look, I Julanie Tovai, I think
• 38:03
  Speaker 10: last week I came in and said it was similarly
• 38:05
  Speaker 10: like just frustrated and you know, maybe that's more of
• 38:08
  Speaker 10: a defense offense kind of personality thing, but yeah, he
• 38:11
  Speaker 10: that definitely stood out to me today he was not
• 38:13
  Speaker 10: having it okay. And otherwise it was u you know,
• 38:17
  Speaker 10: a lot of energy in the in the locker room itself,
• 38:19
  Speaker 10: a lot of guys you know, chatting it up. Just
• 38:21
  Speaker 10: you know, you felt kind of a little bit like
• 38:23
  Speaker 10: they're going to get a day off tomorrow. Let's get
• 38:25
  Speaker 10: out there, get some get some work in and make
• 38:27
  Speaker 10: sure we make anybody.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: To say what their plans were like is uh, you know, Dietrich,
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: why is hosting a bunch of people? Anything?
• 38:35
  Speaker 10: No, no, nothing, nothing, nothing like that that that I heard.
• 38:38
  Speaker 10: You know, it just sounded generally like the guys were
• 38:40
  Speaker 10: just reading like a Bob Hope Ditrich.
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: Why celebretty Christmas?
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: Right? Oh woa, whoa whoa.
• 38:47
  Speaker 11: So yeah that was what was going on in the
• 38:49
  Speaker 11: locker room.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: And how did you make your way into the video?
• 38:52
  Speaker 10: Oh yeah, yeah that's where that so that's where all
• 38:53
  Speaker 10: the So I were there.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: That's why I were there.
• 38:56
  Speaker 10: I was there for the first, you know, three interviews,
• 38:59
  Speaker 10: the only I think they only did three. So and
• 39:00
  Speaker 10: then made my way over to the locker room. Took
• 39:02
  Speaker 10: a tempt check, you know, make sure I got a
• 39:04
  Speaker 10: good a vibey. I mean, I got a song about it.
• 39:07
  Speaker 10: I got to come in here and deliver the movie.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: You've got to actually be in there. I gotta be ready.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: I can't just go to come back from the locker
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: room interview if you haven't been exactly exactly.
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: So.
• 39:16
  Speaker 10: So yeah, yeah, it's good, good, good stuff. We'll see
• 39:18
  Speaker 10: a little cold out there, a little snowy. Looks like
• 39:20
  Speaker 10: they're gonna have a fun practice.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: Is it snowing now?
• 39:23
  Speaker 10: It's still kind of spitting out there.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: All right. Eight five five PATS five hundred is the TPX.
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: Walk over to the Press conference Today.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: And podcast at Patriots dot Com is the email address,
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: Speed writes in he says, yay, Alex, Hey, he says Mark,
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: this is the day Alex finally and successfully injected herself
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: into a Paul Fred I think I haven't even done that.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: You did a great job.
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: I had to try a couple of times and eventually
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: broke through.
• 39:55
  Speaker 10: Like, are no side, he says.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: Apparently Paul gets to speak in hypotheticals without being dubbed
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: a silly person. But anyone else who speaks and hypotheticals
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: is indeed a silly person. It's clear as day, Fred,
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: you're a hopelessly silly man. You should wear a silly
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: hat and continue your silly hypotheticals. Wow, I will, I
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: will consider.
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: It has nothing to do with the argument itself.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: I will continue my silly hypotheticals.
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: But I get annoyed when things get attached to me
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: that are the opposite of what I said. I was
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: critical of the hypothetical, and I made up a ridiculous hypothetically.
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: I made up a ridiculous hypothetical to point out how
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: silly it is when you have no idea. So I
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: didn't here's what I said.
• 40:45
  Speaker 9: I didn't say. I didn't say hypothetical That's.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: What I said. They were talking about Mardy Mopul and
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: we both all agreed that he had a good game,
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: maybe his best this season. And I said, for whatever
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: reason he hasn't been playing, maybe it lit a fire
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: under him and it resulted him having I think, his
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: best game this season. And you know, I made, you know,
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: hypothetical like maybe he wasn't getting it. The coaches thought
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: he should have been better. We know, and this is
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: my opinion, that he hadn't been playing well when he
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: did have a chance to play up until the point
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: where he was not dressed. So maybe, you know, that
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: lit a fire under him. That's all I said. Paul said,
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: that was silly.
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: I said, if we're just going to sign a reason
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: that he didn't play, I think, without knowing, I think
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: that's silly. So I said, I think if he had
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: played all the games, they would have won them all,
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: which I think is equally silly, and somehow I'm allowed
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: to make that.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: I think what I just said was silly.
• 41:44
  Speaker 10: No, no, we explained it didn't didn't.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: That's exactly what I said.
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: What do you want me to tell you? I disagree
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: with you. I don't know. I just don't know how, like,
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: but I don't know how you can make an argument
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: for a second year player not playing. I just don't
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: get it. I don't I'll never get it, so we
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: can move on. I don't get it.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: He thinks the coaches made a mistake.
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: But yes, that's all I'm saying.
• 42:05
  Speaker 10: All right, okay, okay, and there it is, and there
• 42:07
  Speaker 10: it is.
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: I'm not telling you how well we played. I don't
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: recall him playing so poorly, but I don't recall him
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: ever doing anything remotely as well as he did on Sunday.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think he played well.
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: To this, I don't think anybody has played well on
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: the team on a consistent base.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: Is pretty good. You know, you're right, he's pretty good.
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: That's it.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: Like if I said Gonzales is playing well, you wouldn't.
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: I would. I would say absolutely, he's played very well,
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: especially especially over the last month. I think he's been outstanding.
• 42:35
  Speaker 10: Just just walk away, just walk away.
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: But that's it. I don't think you can have any
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: worse safety play than they've had over the last three
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: games before this one. And Mapu was a healthy scratch.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: Right, So what does that say?
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: I don't know, And I'm not going to pretend to
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: try to make up a reason. But what does it say?
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: Like he's just trolling, he's no longer actually fighting, and
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: like he'll say something to Paul then look at me
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: and so egging it on.
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: He usually gives me the look first to let me know.
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: He's doing it, you know, to just not jump off
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: the LANs.
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: Chris says, this is triggering memories of parents arguing too.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: It's activating my childhood trauma.
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: Please make something Christmas. We got to give you something.
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: I already deal with enough. The plate of the child
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: of divorce on Christmas Eve, bouncing around everywhere. Now I
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: have it here on the show.
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, do you deal with that too?
• 43:32
  Speaker 10: No? No, I just sip by myself at my house
• 43:34
  Speaker 10: this year.
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: Oh where is it?
• 43:40
  Speaker 11: My wife and kids are going to?
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: Would you like to come to my Well?
• 43:45
  Speaker 11: Damn, Roach had a good joke.
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: I told him that, and he just you know, if
• 43:47
  Speaker 10: you if you don't have anywhere to go, I'll see
• 43:49
  Speaker 10: if steep bird and have any room.
• 43:51
  Speaker 11: I joke by it, that's good.
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't want anyone because I was like.
• 43:55
  Speaker 10: Oh damn, I you know, go to my sister, you know,
• 43:58
  Speaker 10: I mean I'm gonna have Christmas morning with my family
• 43:59
  Speaker 10: and then wife and kids getting on a plane.
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't even tell anyone I was alone. I would
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: just own everybody exists in my house all day watching,
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: no one bothering me.
• 44:09
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I just don't even like to be
• 44:10
  Speaker 10: in your own house A long, footballs and you underwear whatever?
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, wow, Matt way more than me and Fred fighting.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: Oh God, I feel like.
• 44:21
  Speaker 10: I need to do the the Tom Cruise and risky business,
• 44:23
  Speaker 10: you know, like slide to my Actually.
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: I would watch the two games on Netflix if I
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: was myself.
• 44:33
  Speaker 11: I'm bringing other TVs into.
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: The Sure you have food, you know, and everything's close.
• 44:37
  Speaker 11: It's gonna be a lot of order of pizza.
• 44:38
  Speaker 10: And yeah, my wife, God, he can keep the house neat.
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: I'm by myself.
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: Sure, I think I can going to come home stack.
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: Over All Right, let's get to the tp X hotline.
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: Christians in Virginia. What's up, Christian?
• 45:00
  Speaker 14: Hey, how's it going?
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Okay?
• 45:02
  Speaker 14: Well, I got a question for you. What would it
• 45:05
  Speaker 14: cost for you to trade down in the draft? Now
• 45:09
  Speaker 14: I'm just busting.
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: No, I mean again after no, no, I remember, and
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: I just I thought that was actually a serious question,
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: like what would it take. I don't know. I don't
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: know how much.
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: Well, is there any other team with two first round
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: draft picks this year?
• 45:29
  Speaker 15: I don't think, right, I don't believe so at the time,
• 45:32
  Speaker 15: But like, you know, a two this year and a
• 45:34
  Speaker 15: one next year, I guess yeah would be my minimum, right, Yeah,
• 45:39
  Speaker 15: to switch spots.
• 45:40
  Speaker 14: No, but just my my other thing. Based off the
• 45:43
  Speaker 14: postgame show, I think. I know I've called in before
• 45:46
  Speaker 14: about getting another running back, and I think now after
• 45:51
  Speaker 14: Remonders continued fumbles like it, it might actually be really
• 45:55
  Speaker 14: beneficial just to, like Alex said about the other thing,
• 45:58
  Speaker 14: light a fire under him and kind of get him
• 46:01
  Speaker 14: a reason to lock in over over the off season
• 46:05
  Speaker 14: and get better with that.
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: See now, Fred, Yeah, if reminder Stevenson were a healthy
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: scratch on Saturday and then and then he had no No, no,
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't. But if that happened and then he had
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: like one hundred and eighty yards in the finale, I
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: think you are hypotheatal level. You're hypothetical of he got
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: a firal in under him, I think would make a
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: lot more sense.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: Okay, well, I don't know that's cool, all right? Anything
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: else Christian.
• 46:40
  Speaker 10: I was I was thinking a little bit about that
• 46:41
  Speaker 10: call last night, and it's just like for the callers
• 46:44
  Speaker 10: to call in and ask us about these draft things,
• 46:47
  Speaker 10: it's like, I'm only respect but like and it's not
• 46:50
  Speaker 10: even not being prepared. It's like, we got to talk
• 46:52
  Speaker 10: about this down to two shows a week, like for
• 46:56
  Speaker 10: four months, so we can't just sit here and go
• 46:58
  Speaker 10: that's Travis Hunters and.
• 47:00
  Speaker 11: Four months.
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: We started the draft talk last year. So it's like
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: that I think gave us a little peta.
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: But I do think it's a good questions to ask
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: because a lot of people think the real play is
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: to move down. Okay, so what would you be willing
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: to move down for?
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: And I forget now when Christian was talking about it
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: was he's saying he wouldn't he wouldn't move down, And
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: I said, how do you know? Like you don't know
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: what you offer?
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: What's the offer like if someone's gonna give you a
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: king's ransom? Because you know, but that.
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: Was a good question. What would the king's ransom be?
• 47:33
  Speaker 10: I don't like the callers are going to call and
• 47:35
  Speaker 10: ask this. It's like, these are all the discussions and
• 47:37
  Speaker 10: the debates and that's like, what's gonna make the off
• 47:39
  Speaker 10: season fun is you know, not just being sitting here
• 47:42
  Speaker 10: for the next four months and just not engaging.
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: I just say, it's a team with a you know,
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: a pick around twenty oh getting there first, getting their second,
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: and getting their first next year. Would that be worth it?
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: No?
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: They need I need more to go.
• 47:59
  Speaker 11: You need more than that pick twenty now even go from.
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: Two to twenty.
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's going to cost you a couple a couple
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: of you know, and then uh maybe even a player. Yeah,
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: you know that's a big drop that.
• 48:12
  Speaker 10: And that and that in that case. Yeah, well, in
• 48:14
  Speaker 10: that case, I'm with Christian on like, you do need talent.
• 48:17
  Speaker 10: Like it's not about hey, let's maximize this draft and
• 48:19
  Speaker 10: fill a bunch of you know holes. It's like you
• 48:21
  Speaker 10: need guys who move the needle, who you're gonna slide in.
• 48:23
  Speaker 10: And it's not like, Okay, great, here's a safety for
• 48:26
  Speaker 10: you know, like, just get guys that are in positions
• 48:28
  Speaker 10: in need that you know are going to come in
• 48:30
  Speaker 10: and have an inside track to play and move the
• 48:31
  Speaker 10: needle much.
• 48:32
  Speaker 11: That's the most important part.
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: Of Deshawn's in West Virginia. What's up to Shawns up
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: to Virginia and what do you say?
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: Virginia Virginia. But what happened to your call today your draft?
• 48:45
  Speaker 16: I don't know, Like I was talking, uh, I was like,
• 48:48
  Speaker 16: I'm gonna sure what happened.
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 48:50
  Speaker 16: But basically, well, basically what I wanted to talk about
• 48:53
  Speaker 16: was that when it comes to the giant situation, like
• 48:57
  Speaker 16: I don't think people are really taking it seriously. And
• 48:59
  Speaker 16: when it comes to the premium we have it the joans.
• 49:02
  Speaker 16: When it come to quarterback, there'll be other teams behind
• 49:05
  Speaker 16: those other teams fighting to get.
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: In that spot.
• 49:08
  Speaker 16: Think about a quarter seconds so so would that so
• 49:11
  Speaker 16: would that be in the cake? That means see, other
• 49:13
  Speaker 16: teams would be willing to try to lead get it
• 49:15
  Speaker 16: to that second spot. If the case happened to be
• 49:18
  Speaker 16: like take for instance, the Giant wise beat the Tennessee Titans,
• 49:21
  Speaker 16: Tyson would be in that third spot. They don't needed
• 49:23
  Speaker 16: a quarterback, but it would be others there, maybe Cleveland
• 49:27
  Speaker 16: or whatever quarterback. So you don't want to leave repart
• 49:31
  Speaker 16: of them to take you to your quarterback.
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: I just don't know how they view the two quarterbacks
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: that are going to be up there. Perfect you know,
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: I don't know their opinion.
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: Like if you were if this were let's let's say
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: this was last year and instead of the Drake May class,
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: there was these two quarterbacks and you were three, would
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: you be clamoring to move up to two to take
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: one of these guys?
• 49:50
  Speaker 12: Right?
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't know.
• 49:52
  Speaker 10: And you, I mean, you know the quarterbacks a little
• 49:53
  Speaker 10: better than I do. I mean, I've watched some of
• 49:54
  Speaker 10: the non quarterback positions, but are they would you tell me?
• 49:58
  Speaker 10: Would there be would would Travis Hunter be more desirable
• 50:01
  Speaker 10: for some teams to trade up than cam Warton?
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: I personally would rather have Travis Hunter. But Deshaun's not wrong.
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: Like the Raiders or Cleveland or you know, Tennessee, one
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: of these teams, one of these teams might Giants might
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: get desper Well, the Giants are one, so they don't
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: know that worry about it, and I think they're going
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: to be one based on the way it looks. But
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: one of the teams that DeShawn might say, no, I
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: need cam Ward. I got to get up and get
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: one of these quarterbacks. I wouldn't. I would search for
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: the Sam Darnold and just wait until the draft class
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: is more conducive to someone like like what happened this
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: past year, but but you know, people do dumb things.
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: The counter argument to that is, like you like, if
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: you take the bridge quarterback to wait for a better
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: draft class, there's no telling that you'll be able to
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: get the guy that you want.
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: There's no guarantees. But I'm saying, if I know I
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: don't want this guy, yeah, now if you want them,
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: but don't talk yourself into him. Yeah, I guess what
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: I'm saying. But Deshaun's right out of all those teams,
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: you know, Raiders, Cleveland, Tennessee, like someone's gonna want someone.
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: Someone's going to say, yeah, cam Ward, I can should
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: do with Sanders. I could do it with him.
• 51:12
  Speaker 10: I feel like the Pictriots have somehow used up all
• 51:14
  Speaker 10: their like good luck over the last twenty years. But
• 51:16
  Speaker 10: that getting the third overall pick in a year with
• 51:18
  Speaker 10: three quarterbacks who were all, you know, pretty good.
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: Do you think cam Ward has the potential to be
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: as good as Bonnicks?
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: I don't think bo Nicks is all that good.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: Well that's what well, But but here's the thing. Do
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: you think that the success of guys like bon Knicks
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: this year, like if you get these quarterbacks and you
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: put him in the right situation, they can have success.
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: It's a great point, and I think teams someone.
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: Will and they think we have that right situation.
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: Because because Cam Woods probably more talented than bon Knicks.
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: I don't know if he's as good a player, but
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: he's probably more talented.
• 51:52
  Speaker 10: Do you think the Sam Donald situation as it unfolded
• 51:55
  Speaker 10: this year makes teams a little bit more like encouraged
• 51:58
  Speaker 10: to take a free agency the.
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: Free agent quarterbacks that could be available.
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: Flip side of Kirk Cousins. He's like, so those are
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: two bridge guys. One of them hit and one of
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: them failed miserable.
• 52:11
  Speaker 10: And Donald's a free agent. Both of them.
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: Donald his cousins could be if.
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: Donald came up, though in like, not the best situations,
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: not the best organizations, you know, So it's kind of
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: whereas Kirk Cousins has played in for pretty good franchises,
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: so it's a little different there and older. But I
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: agree with the point.
• 52:28
  Speaker 10: It's funny how it offsets, like, you know, yeah, there's
• 52:31
  Speaker 10: so many If.
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: I were one of those teams, I would rather try
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: to see if I could get a guy, you know,
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: as a reclamation project and one of the one of
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: these two draft picks. But some Fred's right, someone will
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: talk themselves into it.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: Scott and Wellesley, what's up? Scott?
• 52:46
  Speaker 13: Oh jeez, hey guys, how are you merry Christmas?
• 52:49
  Speaker 7: Scott, Christmas?
• 52:50
  Speaker 10: Merry Christmas?
• 52:51
  Speaker 13: I mean, but Paul looks unbelievable. It looks like you
• 52:53
  Speaker 13: could come a you know, start a game for bu
• 52:55
  Speaker 13: again the way now.
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, he's really He's running.
• 53:00
  Speaker 6: All right, Scott moving along?
• 53:01
  Speaker 14: Yeah, all right, you guys.
• 53:04
  Speaker 13: You know, you know, I think I think the head
• 53:07
  Speaker 13: coach takes a lot of the blame for this year,
• 53:09
  Speaker 13: but not I think it takes too much compared to
• 53:11
  Speaker 13: the player personnel guys. And you know, you look back.
• 53:14
  Speaker 13: You know, the Globe has a good thing every week
• 53:16
  Speaker 13: where essentially, you know, they go through how the rookie
• 53:20
  Speaker 13: class did. So my question for you guys, for the panel,
• 53:23
  Speaker 13: for all four of you, is if you compare this
• 53:25
  Speaker 13: year's draft by setting me aside, because purely from a
• 53:28
  Speaker 13: talent analysis, there wasn't much town analysis to do. He
• 53:31
  Speaker 13: was the obvious third pick in the draft. So if
• 53:34
  Speaker 13: you look at who they picked them this year versus
• 53:36
  Speaker 13: the what most people think is their worst draft in
• 53:38
  Speaker 13: twenty nineteen. How do you think the two compare it
• 53:41
  Speaker 13: when you look at both Wallace, Robinson, Baker, Dial, Milton
• 53:45
  Speaker 13: Bill versus Nikhil Harry, Juwan, Williams, Winnovichvivich, Harris, could Juice,
• 53:51
  Speaker 13: ro Hosts, sit on Pow Rebellion, wepture.
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: That's a bad it's a bad draft. And the jury's out.
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, the jury's in for that one, so we know,
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: I mean there's still a hope that Robinson and Wallace
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: can play, so but it's not trending well. But at
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: least there's still the jury's out for this one. But
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: that was a terrible draft. That was awful. I mean
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: this one, it's it's from from the first pick right
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: down the line.
• 54:17
  Speaker 10: And you take Drake Drake out of it, I mean
• 54:19
  Speaker 10: right now, this one, like yeah, current he's.
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: Already retired, he's not even in the league anymore.
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 54:25
  Speaker 13: Ah, Well, just to follow up in that question, though,
• 54:27
  Speaker 13: people are so down on the head coach, and I
• 54:29
  Speaker 13: think Van Pelt gets an unfair break because like basically
• 54:32
  Speaker 13: he has got no receivers can get open, and he
• 54:34
  Speaker 13: doesn't have a good offensive line, and somehow it's his
• 54:37
  Speaker 13: fault that he can't build a great offense. My question
• 54:40
  Speaker 13: is this, Basically, all the free agents you brought back
• 54:42
  Speaker 13: here were guys who were who Bill picked, who is
• 54:46
  Speaker 13: deemed to be a terrible talent evaluator for the last
• 54:48
  Speaker 13: few years, you know, somewhat deservedly so. So if you
• 54:51
  Speaker 13: look at the free agency, which basically you just brought
• 54:53
  Speaker 13: back guys who weren't good before. I mean, you know
• 54:55
  Speaker 13: Tyer Chase, who Chase already gone, Joshould Chase done, guys
• 54:59
  Speaker 13: like that, And then you look at the draft, why
• 55:02
  Speaker 13: should we believe next year should be any different?
• 55:04
  Speaker 16: And then why should we feel good.
• 55:05
  Speaker 13: If we have the second or third pick that these
• 55:07
  Speaker 13: guys are going to make good choices?
• 55:08
  Speaker 10: Yep, I got I got one part of that. You
• 55:10
  Speaker 10: feel good at second or third pick because it's hard
• 55:12
  Speaker 10: to miss at that pick. If you stay there, I
• 55:13
  Speaker 10: feel like you're going to get a talented guy. And
• 55:15
  Speaker 10: it's the same thing with Drake. But I agree with
• 55:17
  Speaker 10: everything you're saying, Scott.
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: Well, but isn't that Yeah, for the second and third pick,
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: it's probably a little easier than these other picks. But
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: the problem the Patriots have is they need it's just
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: as important to hit on second round and third round
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: as it is first round.
• 55:31
  Speaker 6: That might be the most disappointing element of this season
• 55:34
  Speaker 6: is that they don't appear to have gotten a lot
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: of answers thanks Scott or Pee, with a lot of.
• 55:40
  Speaker 10: The guys that they resigned that you felt kind of
• 55:42
  Speaker 10: good about, you maybe feel even less good about now.
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to revise my history because I they
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: picked Polk and I was as just as excited about
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: getting him. And he's gonna be good. He had good
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: production in college. He's going to be, you know, a
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: productive guy. And if they hit on the first and
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: second pick, it'll be a good draft. And Polk's been
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: a flat out bust.
• 56:04
  Speaker 10: Flat out I mean, there's no other way to put it.
• 56:06
  Speaker 10: I mean, it's I mean, I don't know what the
• 56:07
  Speaker 10: numbers are right now, if he's I mean, he's still
• 56:09
  Speaker 10: at twelve or thirteen catches.
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: But here's the other part of it. And I'm a
• 56:15
  Speaker 6: little surprised for it to hear you say that because
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: your guy they traded down and passed up your guy.
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: No, but I know that, and I wanted McConkey. But
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: let's you know, Polk had good production in college too,
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: and I was hopeful that he come in here and
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: in his rookie season, you know, you know, forty fifty catches.
• 56:33
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and I'd be happy with that.
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: I would have been thrilled with it. But yeah, I
• 56:37
  Speaker 6: just I didn't see it. I didn't see it the
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: night they picked him. You really didn't neither. You evn't
• 56:41
  Speaker 6: seemed to talk yourselves into it the next day.
• 56:43
  Speaker 10: Well, I mean, look, I think initially I was a
• 56:46
  Speaker 10: little disappointed, and then I went back and I realized
• 56:48
  Speaker 10: how much I liked him, And I think really what
• 56:50
  Speaker 10: it was it was more about picking him right in
• 56:52
  Speaker 10: that spot that was you know, just it felt too high,
• 56:54
  Speaker 10: It felt too soon to me.
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: But we were happy they picked a wide receiver.
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, actually that's true. Yeah, we were all happy that
• 56:59
  Speaker 6: they took a receiver, and I just thought there were
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: others that were bad.
• 57:02
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I did.
• 57:02
  Speaker 11: I mean I did the same thing Fred did.
• 57:04
  Speaker 10: Actually yesterday just looking back through some of my notes
• 57:06
  Speaker 10: from last year, and like what I wrote down about Polk,
• 57:09
  Speaker 10: he was the first guy I watched last year, and
• 57:11
  Speaker 10: you know, I just good size, not great speed, but
• 57:13
  Speaker 10: you know, makes tough catches, good hands like you know,
• 57:16
  Speaker 10: just seems like he's going to be a reliable guy
• 57:17
  Speaker 10: with good size that you know, conduced to a number
• 57:20
  Speaker 10: of things inside and it just hasn't translated.
• 57:23
  Speaker 11: But again, it's just so crazy how it looks.
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: And I I haven't really got into my uh my
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: wide receiver evaluations, but when I do, I'll let everyone
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: know who we.
• 57:32
  Speaker 6: Should pick this and I'm going to tell you maybe
• 57:34
  Speaker 6: they listen this time. Normally that kind of comment would
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: have elicited an argument from me, but I am going
• 57:39
  Speaker 6: to pay attention.
• 57:40
  Speaker 11: No, I know.
• 57:40
  Speaker 10: I mean, I was gonna say, like Fred brought up
• 57:41
  Speaker 10: lat McCaughey like two years and I'm like, that's not
• 57:44
  Speaker 10: a real person's.
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: Name, like Jefferson.
• 57:48
  Speaker 11: I'm picturing Fred though.
• 57:49
  Speaker 10: Like this weekend he's gonna be just like sitting by
• 57:51
  Speaker 10: the corner and like Lad's going to be walking on
• 57:52
  Speaker 10: and he's.
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: Like, could have been You're gonna.
• 57:57
  Speaker 11: You could have been my Lad.
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: To me, it was just so obvious that he was
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: going to be a productive receiver in the NFL. Not
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: Jamar Chase or Justin but a guy who can move
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: the sticks and reliable, gets open, catches the ball. You know,
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: you got to start somewhere. He's got to start somewhere,
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: and I thought he would be a good pick.
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: I thought he'd be a good pick too. And I
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: thought where he went, you know, made sense. You know,
• 58:22
  Speaker 6: it was a day two picky like that.
• 58:24
  Speaker 10: To me, that's an injury shoes. I mean, he's not
• 58:26
  Speaker 10: the biggest guy, he's not huge, but he just has
• 58:28
  Speaker 10: that shuttle shuttle down. I mean, he's just got such
• 58:32
  Speaker 10: nuance to his route, running the way he's just I mean,
• 58:34
  Speaker 10: he's kind of one of those artist guys.
• 58:35
  Speaker 11: And he was a nightmare at the Senior Bowl watching.
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: Him, like zach'son Connecticut. Oh, Zach is gone interesting all right?
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: So DeShawn called, uh, called me this morning when I
• 58:46
  Speaker 6: was on the on my.
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: Shoes, you're doing that four hours this morning?
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: Dropped So he started talking. I was like, oh, I
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: know this guy. And then all of a sudden, Yeah.
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: Paul did four hours on morning radio. He's gonna do
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: two hours here and then you're gonna.
• 59:01
  Speaker 6: Do That's why I got a few overseas.
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: You're gonna do some oversea podcasts when you get home.
• 59:06
  Speaker 6: No, but I did get an invitation for a podcast
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: from a listener who heard me this morning.
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: Everybody's got a podcast podcast?
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, not the original though, thing to do?
• 59:16
  Speaker 9: Uh.
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: Mike writes in Dear Fred, Alex, Mike, and Paul, greetings
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: from Denver, where the Broncos are still at home. I
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: hope you all enjoy your own pending Christmas, even though
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: Paul has an irrational hatred for my beloved alma mater
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: and state. Did you find Mayo's comments about Cainan Wallace curious?
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: Seems like the logical thing to do would see, if
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: you have it set to have a set it and
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: forget it right side of and when you and Wallace
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: and fixed the left side this season? What did he
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: say about Wallace?
• 59:47
  Speaker 6: How is he going to get that?
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: Like if he plays the last two games, you think
• 59:52
  Speaker 6: you have a set and set it and forget it
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  Speaker 6: right tackle.
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: Next year, That's what he's saying.
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: No, he has like think Greece Wroad.
• 59:59
  Speaker 10: He had serious injuries that he's still coming back from, right.
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  Speaker 6: I mean I think in there, this isn't what like
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 6: so back to the like Mapoo with Fred, like this
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: is not what I'm putting on the coaches. He got hurt,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 6: like significant injuries that knocked him out of it. That's
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 6: why he hasn't played.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 10: I think it is just disappointing that we've gotten to
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 10: this point in the season where we've talked a lot
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 10: about guys like Polk, like Wallace and Mapho's the exception
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 10: where he's actually playing. But a lot of these guys
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 10: that we've talked to when you knew the season was
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 10: kind of lost and we're hoping that some of those
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 10: young players stepped up, it hasn't really happened, except for you.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: Know, Mapo played well on Sunday, like A yeah, that
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: doesn't mean I'm like a huge believer. I just want
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: to see these guys play a little bit.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 10: I think he had. I think he had a big
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 10: part of that big touchdown run though, too, because.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: He might, like you over pursued and they might. I
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: just but again, it's fine, but that's why they need
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 6: to play. Like That's why I wouldn't sit there and say, like,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: why is del Petis out there? Like I don't know,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: like maybe there's something there, you know, and maybe he's
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 6: gonna those mistakes become less and less and we always
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: a special teams guy. So it's not exactly apples to apples.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 10: To Callahan, really take all I want for Christmas is
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 10: you at number one overall, Andrew Callahan of the Boston Herald.
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  Speaker 11: Everybody, I don't like it.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: If you ask, if you a one hundred people servey
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: the top five answers on the board, that would be it.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 7: And that's true because that song that it just does numbers.
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  Speaker 10: It drags me into the great I mean, my sisters
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 10: loved it and we took a family trip to New
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 10: York when I was a kid, and they just and
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 10: that was like right when it came out and it
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 10: was just over and over and I think that spoiled it.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 10: But like, have yourself a merry little Christmas, Judy Garland,
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  Speaker 10: I mean, oh.
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  Speaker 5: Uh, you're right.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna get water.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: I was gonna should I read a Steve from Marblehead
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  Speaker 5: Christmas poem if it's good.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 11: If it's good, well we'll find out.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: You'll be the judge of that strop. Up twas the
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: night before Christmas, and all through the stadium the night
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: was so quiet you could hear Paul's labium. What uh.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: The team was all snuggled in their comfy chairs while
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: visions that's okay, while visions of lighteouts were ease only prayers.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: So far, it's off to a rocky star. The holiday
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: feast sparks some healthy debate. What would you wish for
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: to fill up your plate? Skipping the bird is nobody's
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: great loss. I won't eat dry turkey drenched in gravy
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: and sauce. Nobody likes it, by all that is holy.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: But Paul, isn't there gravy on your Ravioli? The season
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: game cast, let's Paul demonstrate why he's held on to
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: his job since nineteen ninety eight. Don't give me cole Santa.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: I haven't been naughty. I guess there's no new car.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: I guess I'll walk home from Pete body to me. Yeah.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: Alex Alex comes in for pick shows when her record's elite.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: When asked for her secret, she just says, retweet. It's
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: hard being ugly when you look like a doll. What's
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: harder for Alex is easy for Paul. Grinding through tape
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: makes Evan ball noer. Grinding through tape makes ball makes
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: Evan ball knower. He knows pins and pulls, but not
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: his lawnmower. Losing the team made the leadership quake until brave.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: Sir Evan took back his take. Mike's got a short
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: list to give to Chris Kringle. It's too much to
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: ask for an in game deuce jingle. They arguing, bicker
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: who's right and who's wrong. The one thing we agree
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: is Jill gives good song. Fred taking the Bengals and Jets.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: That's outrageous, But splitting the baby is purely contagious or courageous.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: I should say the holiday party could have been gloom
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: and doom. Fred may not know ball but he sure
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: knows ballroom. We hope this that this season is friendly
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: and Mary picks coming. We all got to hurry. I'll
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: give it a five. Yeah, I'll give it a five.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: He's no min m.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 10: At these guys. This is the worst holiday list ever.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to but thank you for the effort.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: Steve from Marlborough.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 6: You blue Springsteen.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: Nobody knows what you're talking about.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 10: Do you guys have a favorite Do you have a
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 10: favorite holiday song?
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 6: Ah, that's not okay. Again, there's a lot.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 7: Of racism against Italian.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 6: I would go I have more classics, like the like
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 6: the regular you know, talking around the Christmas tree is
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 6: a great song.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 11: I'm totally with you.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 10: I love the perfect none of that it is on
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 10: their list.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 11: There's a great.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 6: And I don't know. I'm trying to think of some
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: other ones.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: The opening theme to The Hard Everyone says it's a
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: Christmas movie.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 6: I feel like agrees. I disagree with you hit me
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: in the back of the room. Yo, Yes, did you?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: Paul is Yeah, correct time I've spoken to press conference season,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 6: I'm just there to observe.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 10: That you were You couldn't hold yourself back.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: And stood first time all day.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: I didn't cough too sweet kid writes in how has
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: key On White done so far? In your opinion? He
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: was hot initially and then I stopped noticing did as much?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: Did teams just adjusted? H?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: Or?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: Is he playing pretty well overall? Dudes? This has your
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: name written all over it.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 10: I think it's a challenge for ke On White because
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 10: I think every time they play a mobile quarterback, it
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 10: probably takes him out of what he does best, which
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 10: is just go fight guards, go get through guards, go
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 10: get to the quarterback as quickly.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 11: As you can.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 10: And the more of these kind of game plans, and
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 10: you know, he's probably seen it the last couple of
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 10: weeks with Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, these little mobile guys
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 10: where you know all week what they're talking about, keep
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 10: him in the pocket, you know, be disciplined. You can't
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 10: just run through you know, guard's face like I think
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 10: Keon White wants to do.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 17: So.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 10: I think it's just indicative of their lack of depth
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 10: along the defensive line and that they're not really able to,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 10: you know, have guys in for certain jobs and you know,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 10: maybe save key On White for third downs or so.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 11: I don't know.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 10: I think with the questions around Christian Barmore and what's
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 10: his future, maybe there's a path that if you know,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 10: unfortunately Christian Bartman can't go. Like that's more of what
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 10: key On White is. I just I haven't seen. I mean,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 10: he said it in the locker room twenty minutes ago.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 10: He admitted obstrang against the run. I think there were
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 10: a couple of plays you can watch from last weekend's
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 10: game where you know, he's getting pushed out of the
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 10: way and they're running right by him. So it's, uh,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 10: it's been a work in progress. I'd love to see
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 10: them get some more guys in the front seven so
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 10: that they can free him up a little.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: Is it just me or does it seem like they're
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: not moving him around as much as they did earlier,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: Like he always seems to be outside where he was
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: moving inside sometimes.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean i'd say that, I think so generally, Yeah,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 10: I mean I I you know, I still see them
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 10: moving him around a lot, and you know, running stunts
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 10: with him, and you know, there was I remember there's
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 10: one particular rep with him in Gockway where it just
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 10: didn't quite look coordinated. And that's kind of a thing
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 10: where in Gockway came late and that's all timing and
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 10: working together and.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: And Gockway's like not that we should have had high hopes,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: but he has.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 10: Been pretty much visible, right, you know most of them,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 10: you know, but again, like they just hard to get
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 10: the third downs. They're getting run all over. You know,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 10: it's not like, oh, third and ten, here we go,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 10: let's break out the package with Keyon White up the
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 10: middle and you know, Gockway off the edge. But I
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 10: see much from a gun way.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: I think Kean White has played pretty well. I don't
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 6: think what happened I think in the first week is
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 6: kind of like the game itself. It sort of set
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: undue expectations. You know, that's not I think the way
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: Mike explained and described White's game I think is pretty
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 6: pretty accurate. He's not a pass rusher. He's a pocket
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 6: collapse right with you know, basically the power and versatility.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: But yeah, that's how he plays, and I think he's
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 6: he's good at it. And the one thing that I
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 6: would quibble a little with Mike is I do think
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 6: the mobile quarterbacks, he's kind of he's valuable against those
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 6: because it might not represent like a sack, but like,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 6: and he had one on Josh Allen the other day
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 6: that was probably going to be a first down, but
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 6: he's athletic enough that it's like a four yard game
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 6: on a scramble might not show up as a big play,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: but I think I think he permitted a first down
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: with that play. And I think he does those kinds
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 6: of things a lot. He's I think he's good. I
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: don't think that he if people are looking for him
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 6: to be like this fifteen sack guy, it wasn't in
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 6: college sacks. That's not what he is. No.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 10: I think that's a really good point, Paul, and I
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 10: think you're you're totally right it's surprisingly athletic for kind
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 10: of a big guy, but also kind of stiff though too.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 11: You know, like that's what kind of makes.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 6: Sacks against Cincinnati what we talked about, Yeah, where they
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 6: occurred around the line of scrimmage. They were like he
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 6: had like two and a half sacks for like minus
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 6: five yards total, you know, because that's where he gets
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 6: his sacks, like late in the down. All right, you
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  Speaker 20: really been really been my thing moving on. This is
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  Speaker 20: me of like the old school way of playing, you know,
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  Speaker 20: going out there playing good defense, solid base technique, you know,
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  Speaker 20: being able to stop the run, having those playmakers over there,
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  Speaker 20: and offensively, you know, they have a great quarterback in Herbert,
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  Speaker 20: but really, you know, this team also up front, they're
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  Speaker 20: very talented across the board up front, and I think
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  Speaker 20: they work very well together, especially in the run game,
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  Speaker 20: you know, and as the weather changes, you know, and
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  Speaker 20: they're coming out this way, I expect them to try
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  Speaker 20: And so that's the challenge to the players that, look,
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  Speaker 20: they're gonna come in. Here's no secret, they're gonna want
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  Speaker 20: to run the ball, and we have to stop them
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  Speaker 20: and make more one dimensional team. Good running backs obviously
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  Speaker 20: is a huge you know Baltimore Raven type of you
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  Speaker 20: know flavor to this entire staff and even the players.
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  Speaker 20: You know, you look at the backs that they have,
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  Speaker 20: you know, a couple of them came from Baltimore. You know,
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  Speaker 20: we've you know, we've gone against Greg Roman multiple times.
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  Speaker 8: You know over the years.
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  Speaker 20: Is a very good coordinator, you know, very experienced, and
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  Speaker 20: he's going to exploit your weaknesses. And I think they
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  Speaker 20: do a good job with that defensively. You know, I've
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  Speaker 20: been a fan of this player for for a while.
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  Speaker 8: I always you know, he.
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  Speaker 20: Always pops off the off the film is Derwin James.
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  Speaker 20: I think, you know, he's just one of those guys
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 20: that he's a football player, and you can tell by
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 20: the way that he goes out there and plays, you know,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 20: just his energy, enthusiasm, and the rest of the crew,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 20: uh kind of follows his lead in my opinion. Not
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 20: to take anything away from the front guys. You know,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 20: they have two very good defensive ends, and they have
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 20: some big guys up front that do a good job
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  Speaker 20: too gaping, but I think it all starts with Derwin
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  Speaker 20: and I think we have to know, like where this
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  Speaker 20: guy is on every single play. If he's down near
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  Speaker 20: the line of scrimmage, like he can absolutely you know,
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  Speaker 20: rush and drop from there. If he's in the back half,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 20: he can play a deep part of the field as well.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 20: So uh, definitely definitely a very good player. Look for us,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 20: you know, we gotta we gotta be able to stay balanced,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 20: and we got to stay ahead of the sticks, stay
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 20: ahead of the chains, and and again this is another
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 20: opportunity against a team that really don't turn the ball
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 20: over much. Uh, for us to go out there and
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 20: try to and try to it after it so far
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 20: away men and running the weather because they're going to
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 20: be pretty balanced, is what I would say. I would
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 20: say they would I don't want to. I don't know
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 20: what the weather's going to be. I think it's actually
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 20: going to be pretty nice. I think the last I checked.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 20: But we're good.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 10: Sorry, you're good with the running and fallacy.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 19: Then you mention that really struggled on this last game,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 19: and so the two things that cap the game came
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 19: down to, how are you working on that going into
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 19: this game knowing that that's probably something that.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 20: To me, it's about block destruction, it's about tackling. Like
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 20: the best tacklers I've ever been around always knew where
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 20: their help was, and so you know, not letting the
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 20: ball carrier get out to the edge is definitely a
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 20: huge part of it. And turning it back into the
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 20: teeth of the defense.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 6: The emotion of.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 5: The Arizona game versus last week, what did you see.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 7: As the difference and how do you get that out
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 7: of your team on a weekly basis because it seemed
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 7: like they had that passion from the start Sunday.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 20: Yeah, I would say the Arizona game, to me, at
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 20: least from a first standpoint, was an anomaly. It's not
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 20: what we put on film as far as effort. Now,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 20: have we always played uh, you know, clean games? You
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 20: know no, I mean look at our record. But in
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 20: saying that, I would say they always go out there
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 20: and play with tremendous effort and that's what showed up
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 20: last week and.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 8: It'll show up this week. You look, we're at home.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 20: We got to protect you know, protect home home field,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 20: and that's the goal.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 17: It's because of a number of different guys wearing the
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 17: green dot since to one went down.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 6: How much would challenges up them?
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 20: I would say, like all of those guys that have
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 20: had the green dot throughout the year have done a
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 20: good job in doing it. I mean sometimes I think,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 20: you know, we make too much of a big deal
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 20: about the green dot. I mean literally, a coach is
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 20: talking to you and you just got to it's like
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 20: playing a game of telephone and saying that, though the
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 20: adjustments after that are always difficult. Look, we have some
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 20: good communicators on defense, you know, you have you know
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 20: Dugger of course, and Jelani and Ellis. All those guys
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 20: have done a pretty good job as far as that
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 20: is concerned.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 13: Run.
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  Speaker 7: I know, each turnover has its own story, and perhaps
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 7: there's no common.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 9: Link when it comes to to Drake.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: Is there a chance he might be doing trying to
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: do a little too.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 9: Much on some of those turnovers, or you know, trying
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 9: to take it upon himself to produce.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 20: Drake is a competitor and he's always going to try
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 20: to go out there and make plays. And I think
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 20: just the way that he's played, you know, how well
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 20: he's played this year, oftentimes we forget that he's a
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 20: rookie quarterback and those are those are lessons learning. And
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 20: I've been very upfront about this that the intangible with Drake,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 20: you know, besides his even demeanor, has he's learned from
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 20: his mistakes and I expect that to continue going forward?
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 14: Did you right focus this following off for Canters talking
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 14: about and turns to turnovers, I.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 9: Have to turn to funneling and it's been a tough
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 9: year for Remontrat there's no doubt about it.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 10: Well, could you as a coach want to try to
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 10: prevent fumbles?
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 12: Is it a bntal thing or is it a technique
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 12: thing with holding the ball?
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 8: How do you how do you try to prevent that?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 20: I mean it's a combination of the two. I mean
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 20: you have to understand how important that is. And then
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 20: there's also that you want to take you through the
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 20: whole elbow tight, eagle claw, grip, that whole thing. But
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 20: it is there is a there is a technique about it.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 20: And then just the overall focus rod.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 6: Last yet very progestal for a picture for the offense
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 6: because team a lot of different personnelse what's the biggest
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 6: difference seeing him go Rollan's.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 20: Offense with Harf Yeah, I mean, look, I think he's
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 20: doing a good job protecting the ball. I think, h
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 20: what does he have three interceptions? Something low? But that's
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 20: I mean that's what he's doing a great job at
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 20: and it gives that chance that team a chance to
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 20: win the funs.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: So players in the sideline where John Jones is.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 17: Making the tackle by himself from Shakir and also punches.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 17: It seems like that sort of evolve a few punches.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 11: But thnbody used to be the.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 6: Second guy coming eat it now And if you're you're
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 6: teaching that or.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 20: Is that just an instant thing we always teach that
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 20: in John Jones over the last few years, has all
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 20: you know come up with plays like that. He just
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 20: has a knack for punching the ball. You know, you
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 20: always want to make sure that the tackle was secure.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 20: I don't want to get away from that. But at
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 20: the same time, that's, uh, that's something that's been very
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 20: good at for a while now.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 6: As a player coach, hobvious, do you appreciate and try
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 6: to get Christmas in there for your players? And was
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 6: there a favorite gift you got as a kid football?
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 13: Was anything like that?
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 20: I was, you know, just to go back to the
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 20: gift part. I still remember being a young kid. You know,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 20: at the time, I think single parent home. I have
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 20: a great step dad. Shout out to all the stepdads.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 20: But my grandfather bought us Mountain bikes and it took
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 20: us to the b AMX track and I was scared
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 20: to go up to hill.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 8: It was almost like my grandfather.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 20: You know, not that I was a spanking for not
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 20: going up to hill, but it was one of those
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 20: types like I better get my butt up to hell.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 8: So that that was one of that was a great memory.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 8: I appreciate you bringing that up. I went up that hill.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 8: I went up that hill. That's the easy part. That's
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 8: the easy part.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 20: There was a BMX track like five minutes from my
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 20: house and we had to ride those new bikes mountain
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 20: bikes to a BMX track. So all the other kids
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 20: had their you know, their uh you know, huffies and
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 20: all that stuff, and we got these big tires on.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 8: Our on our mountain bikes. But it was fun.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 12: Do you have a favorite Christmas movie or your kids
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 12: that your favorite that you like to spend.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 8: I'm a huge home along guy. You know. It was
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 8: during my time.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 20: And then the big you know, the big debate or
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 20: back and forth is die Hard U Christmas movie? And
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 20: I say it is it is.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 7: What types of things are your kids asking for?
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 8: I had no clue.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 20: And again that's why I started this off. You know,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 20: I just want to think. I just want to thank
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 20: my wife and thank it. You know, just all the
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 20: people men and women who go out and do the
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 20: Christmas shopping and allow you know, their spouse or significant
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 20: other to focus on what they have to focus on.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 9: Did you believe in did you believe in Santa? And
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 9: do your kids believe in Santa?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: Do?
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 20: When I was a little kid, now, the way I
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 20: was worri is they wanted to make sure, you know,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 20: you knew where those gifts came from. And my kids,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 20: you know, I feel like at this point in time,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 20: the new generation, they believe more in the lf on
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 20: the shelf than they do actual Santa Claus, and that
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 20: in itself takes time. I'm not sure if you guys
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 20: are familiar, like doing all the creative things with the
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 20: lf on the shelf, you know, pouring the cereal out
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 20: in the kitchen and throwing toilet paper around the house
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 20: and moving the l's and there you.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 8: Go, same thing, same thing. The kids love it though,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 8: the kids love it?
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 17: No, yesked you at last week ago comparisons between Rake
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 17: Josh Allen, You see me seting writings between Drake and
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 17: Justin Kilberg.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 20: For me, it's it's probably too early to tell. What
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 20: I would say is you know again, I don't want
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 20: to get into the comparison thing. I think Drake is
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 20: on track to be a very special player in this
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 20: league and hopefully we all get a chance to see it.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 8: Thanks.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 19: Yes, your performance, you know, the performance like sexual excuse me,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 19: Willy are you saying or something wrong with my gear?
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: So what you're saying to me, I'm sorry you're gear? Willie?
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 8: My stick?
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: He's not going to say stick in.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 11: Front of the children, does he?
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 7: Hey, our friend that we were just talking about before
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 7: we went on there.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 19: Marcopello already posted on Instagram. Get the tree down, that's over,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 19: take the lights off, turn.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 12: Grieving and grieve about you whatever you want.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 5: I want to thank you all for doing shows Tuesday
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: and today. Most podcasts are putting out nothing or or
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 5: best of shows. The radio was putting their Sea team
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 5: out there no offense. Paul's as someone who has to
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: work tomorrow.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 6: I don't want to look straight in the eye. I
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 6: don't want to tell him what.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 12: A sheep lying no good, rotting for flushing, lowlife, snake licking,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 12: dirt eating and bread over stuff, ignorant, but sucking, dog kissing, brainless, homeless, heartless, fantass,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 12: bug eyed step playing. It's funny and worm aheaded sack
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 12: of monkey.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: He is I know, just tuned in live for the
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: first time ever.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 6: Excellent.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: A lot of people at home Christmas welcome a boyanag
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: you know, sitting by the yule tide and uh listening
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: to su.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 6: Sitting by the yule log, sitting by the Yule tide.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: Some people are by the oceans.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, not the river though, no river wouldn't have a
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: Yule tide.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: Correct to everyone out there listening, have a merry Christmas.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: That's what you celebrate.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 6: Merry Christmas.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: All right back here and Patriots Unfiltered. We've been joined
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: by Evan.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: Evan Has we turned? Has we turned? Has we turned?
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: All?
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 9: Evan, who wasn't there, has has some to it today.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 5: A lot of Christmas casualties.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 9: For both the players and the media.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 5: You know, let's hold because that sounds.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 9: And because I'm watching him on the radio.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 9: Jabriel Peppers, Kyle Duggar, Marcus Jones, and Ben Brown all
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 9: missing from Patriots practice on Tuesday. So there are some
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 9: you know, some of these are explained, right, we know
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 9: Pepper's dugger and Marcus Jones and what they're dealing with hamstring,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 9: ankle slash illness, and I think Mark Jones an ankle
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 9: or hip hip for Marcus Jones, Ben Brown is a mystery, mystery,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 9: mystery injury. We don't know what's up with that, but
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 9: I will say the snaps have not been good and
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 9: uh yeah they they said it was the towel the
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 9: week before. There was no towel excuse this time. It
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 9: was ten degrees everything off to the side. Yeah, no,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 9: not good. All game long he was having issues with
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 9: the snaps, So it would make sense that maybe he's
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 9: dealing with something because that came out of nowhere to me.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 9: I thought his snaps are fine up until this.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, isn't that weird?
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah, some sort of.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 10: Injuryron elbow brace too, it's just a month yeah yeah.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 9: And he also has been walking around with a sleeve
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 9: on his leg for a little while now too. I
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 9: don't know. I think he's banged up and maybe that
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 9: is why the snaps have been an issue two weeks
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 9: in a row now, So all right, cold strange.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: Cold strange. Possibly seeing some action this week what else outside.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 9: In the stadium, in the stadium, outside in the stadium.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 9: I interesting. Interesting that they've been doing that shells light day.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 9: Jamichael Hasty was back. He didn't practice it all last week,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 9: missed the game on Sunday. Austin Hooper was present, so
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 9: it looks like he avoided any injuries from that hit.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 9: And one that was interesting is that Curtis Jacob's practicing.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 9: He's on injured reserve. Sounded like he had a bag concussion,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 9: so they started his clock, which I thought was okay,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 9: peculiar people that know who that is.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, why do you think they were in the Bowl
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: today just doing work on the other.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 9: Fields or I don't know, because we originally were told
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 9: it was going to be on the lower practice field
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 9: as it's been. I do think that there's a wind
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 9: element and a construction element.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I bet you the wind is blowing construction Debrise
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 7: like right up.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah, So that would be my guess is that the
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 9: construction out there, the wind. There are times that they
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 9: tell us that it's it's almost like you can't even
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 9: really accomplish anything because of how windy it can get
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 9: back there at times. And so you're going to be
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 9: playing near anyways on Saturday, So what difference isn't really.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 6: Is there any snow in the practice fields? Could be maybe,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 6: you know, I had a hard time because obviously it's
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 6: much easier to clear the bowls with the surf, right.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it could be.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 9: It's a good point.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: Okay, Now, what's going on with the media.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 9: Just not throwing shade at anybody, but just there wasn't
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 9: a lot of people there today. That's all just not
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 9: a notable people or yeah, you know, obviously myself, Mike Reece,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 9: Christopher Price from the Boston we were all there. Shout
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 9: out Brian Hines, he was there practice.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, if you don't mention the name. They weren't
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: there exactly.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 9: And I know two people that have excuses. One of
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 9: them is is Andrew and one of them is Barth
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 9: because they're both on ninety eight five this afternoon. But look,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 9: I don't know was there.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: That's very poor to me.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 6: There was only four people that went.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 9: Like TV people too, you know, but like so under ten.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 9: Well we were taking attendance and like you know, normally
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 9: we take Barth and I take attendance and then we
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 9: go and we compare notes with the rest of the contingent,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 9: just to make sure we all have the same thing.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 9: And I'm looking around and I'm like, oh.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 5: They'll help you. Obviously, the players are off tomorrow because
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: it's Christmas. So does that mean today there's food or.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 9: No no food?
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 5: All that just that if there was a food food,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: there might have been bigger attendance.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 9: No food.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 11: There was a.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 6: Small crowd at the press conference today too.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 10: Yeah, Paul yelled out.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: Okay, say just the diehards or what would you say Friday?
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 6: It was just it was just a.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 10: Little tip of the caps.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 9: Doug was at locker room. You're right, he did not,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 9: He did not hang out. But yeah, you know, look,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 9: it's just I was. I was alone, man, I was
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 9: needed help with attendance. And luckily Brian stepped up to
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 9: the plate and he yelled.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: Me out, nice, good guy, Okay, all right, good stuff
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: to worry. Let's see we only have two picks today.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 5: I keep thinking we heard yeah, so let's get back
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 5: to the TPX hotline and podcasts at Patriots dot com
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: the email address. Brett from Lemonster writes in so I
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: think very literally when Paul says we should pick the
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 5: most talented player available. I get that, but how literal
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: are we being Do we draft a quarterback in the
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 5: second round if that's the most talented player there, or
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 5: do we reach a little for a cornerback or a
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 5: running back who was the fifth best player left. For instance,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 5: I took a look at a random list of best
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 5: players ranked and also a look at projected picks the
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 5: Patriots may have. These are the positions that came up
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 5: for the first five picks, assuming these were the most
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 5: talented players when the Patriots picked. Would you be good
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: with these positions being taken? First round cornerback, second round,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: second to third round running back, third round edge, fourth
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: round outside linebacker, in fifth round linebacker.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 9: What's the difference between outside linebacker?
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I understand his point. What I mean by
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 6: they can take the best player available is they're not
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 6: held to a position. No, I wouldn't take it. First
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 6: of all, that excludes quarterback. Second of all, I don't
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 6: think it's as much about that as you move on
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 6: in the draft, because early in the draft you have
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 6: a chance that there's a significant difference between like a
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 6: blue chip guy like Travis Hunter. If you think he's
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 6: the best player in the draft, and then like the
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 6: best tackle might be a huge gap, you know, like
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 6: in terms of their overall ability. It's it kind of
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 6: lessens as you go on in the draft, like players
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 6: are sort of clustered together as you stop me. If
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 6: you heard this one before, Deuce stack the board vertically
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 6: and horizontally right from that, Yeah, I will not be
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 6: stacking either way. I'll leave that to you experts.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 10: Diagonally sometimes too, just for fun.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 6: Well, that doesn't make any sense, Mike, if he's not
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 6: going to take it serious. Evan, x Y and.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 10: Z axis share with you, guys.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 6: But uh, it's.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 9: I always say the best player available at a position
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 9: of need. I think the best player available thing is
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 9: a crock Like, you're not gonna I mean, I almost
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 9: that you're not gonna take a guard. Bill would take
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 9: a guard, So I'm not gonna say you're not gonna
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 9: take a guard.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 5: But like, well, is there any other than quarterback? Is
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: there any position that's not a position of need on
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: this team?
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 9: Immediate need? Like, I don't think they need any more guards.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 9: You have enough bodies there. I don't really think running
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 9: back is like a huge pressing need. They have two
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 9: guys that are capable there, But yeah, your point is
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 9: is valid. I mean, there's definitely a lot of holes,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 9: but I just look at maybe better way of putting
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 9: it for them right now is at a premium position, right, Like,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 9: you don't want to draft that high and be drafting
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 9: somebody that's not a receiver, tackle, corner, edge rusher, right
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 9: with quarterback obviously out of it.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 5: Franklin and Baltimore. My question to the panel is do
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: you think there's something there with Booty? Not trying to
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: overhype him or anything, especially because he's been inconsistent, but
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: May does seem to have some chemistry with him, and
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 5: he has shown an ability for big passing plays plus
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: twenty yards. If he could just be consistent, I think
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 5: he can develop into a solid number three. I'm interested
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 5: to hear your thoughts.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 10: But that's what's weird, is like using him as a
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 10: number three and like what capacity, So he's gonna like
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 10: come on occasionally and be kind of the Z receiver.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 10: Like I just I look at him as nice little
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 10: season come back and fight your ass off again for
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 10: a roster spot and hopefully they do enough in free
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 10: agency in the draft that he's gonna have to fight
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 10: to retain this kind of position because that to me,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 10: like everybody talks about getting that number one, guess what
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 10: position he's going that number one is going to play.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 10: If they do get that number one, then you to
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 10: go play over Keijhan Bouti. So you know, look, it's
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 10: it's one of the few good stories of development this year.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 10: But like almost every other position on the team come
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 10: back and fight for roster spot next year, every one
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 10: of them.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I do think there's something there. Like you know,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 5: in a season where wide receiver where specifically has been
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: a big disappointment, he's been he's had some moments.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I would agree with and it's it's different,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 6: but it's kind of like what I'm talking about. That's
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 6: why I want these guys to play. Yeah, Like you
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 6: easily could say, well, you know, he's a healthy scratch,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 6: he's behind these but you never know until the guy plays.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 6: And if you would ask me that same question in September,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 6: I would have said, no way, yeah, yeah, but he
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 6: has been sometimes credit.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 9: To him, he belongs on an NFL roster at that position.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 9: That's about as far as I'm willing to go, right now,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 9: but I think that he's got a knack for separating
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 9: late on those go routes. He has a really good
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 9: job of like kind of just pulling away late in
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 9: the when the balls in the air, which is a
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 9: good skill to have, especially if you're playing you know,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 9: a lot of press man because the corner's back is
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 9: to the quarterback, so he doesn't necessarily know the ball
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 9: is coming, and so you can have that little late
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 9: separation like he had in the on the play on Sunday.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 9: That that's a skill, you know, that's like a knack
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 9: for that. So but in general, he's not. You gotta
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 9: do better, I would say, But I think he belongs
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 9: on the team, Like I think he's an NFL receiver.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 5: Yep, Travis in West Virginia. I read the last newsletter
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: that the Desault family hands out Christmas presents one at
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: a time, which I'm a big fan of. Do the
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 5: rest of you do the same under no circumstances. Should
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 5: kids be allowed to just tear into presents and go
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: wild on their own?
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 18: No?
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: I agree, that's how we do it, Like we kind
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: of like spread them out, you know, so like everybody
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 5: kind of alternates.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, No, one opens two gifts before someone's opened, right, yeah, right.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah, we do the same. But the problem is is
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 9: my sister's pile is always like fifty presents.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 7: Well, you're probably such a classic boy, and you're like,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 7: I don't want anything, don't get me anything, so that
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 7: no one knows what to get you. And then it's
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 7: like you have like a couple of random stuff and
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 7: gift cards, but your sister is probably like, here's my
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 7: Google list of everything I want.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 9: My sister gave her list like weeks ago. My mom's
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 9: still asking for my list, and I'm like, mom, you
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 9: put me through college, like you're good, Like thank you.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 5: So has anyone here asked for anything this year?
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 7: Like, well, I was forced to. I tried to get
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 7: around it, but then my mom was like, no, you
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 7: need to help me. I'm really stressed out, and I
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 7: thought she was going to have a breakdown, so I
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 7: helped her vacuum.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 6: I asked for a C three po Lego set.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: Nice, okaysh out right? Yeah, yeah, you'll probably get it right.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: My mom likes matter C three po.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's huge, it's nice?
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: Is it nice? And gold too?
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: With the silver leg oh wow? Below the knee on
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 5: one leg.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, classic classic.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 6: Mike doesn't like it.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 11: I like it.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 10: I like it. I did ask for the Orca lego set.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 10: I mean, you know, it's kind of like tongue in cheek,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 10: but I kind of want it.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 11: But like, as an adult, get a lego. But it
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 11: would be pretty.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 10: Cool up on my mantle somewhere if you get it.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: Do you know my wife would not allow me to
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 5: put that on the mail if.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 6: If if you get it, you're not allowed like kids
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 6: to help.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 11: Oh no, that's probably part of the deal.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 5: Part of the deal. I was like, you know, we
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 5: could build it together.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 10: Be fun, but then I would keep it and put
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 10: it in.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 9: But it's mine.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 10: I didn't get you playing with your toys again, Dad,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 10: like the Shark, we got Brodie.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 5: Run Boston Cream has some trivia. I want to do it, Okay,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: he said. First he says, it's incredibly hot and stump
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: ball be fair. But here we go.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 5: The Patriots have drafted one linebacker higher than Girard Mao
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: at tenth overall. Who was that player?
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 6: Chris Singleton?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: Wow?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 12: Wow?
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 5: For bonus?
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 6: Do you know the year ninety one?
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 5: Ninety six? No, No, that's wrong.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 6: That's wrong.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 10: Yeah, you'll call him Willie mack at D.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 7: I was fact check Boston Cream and.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 6: Chris Singleton is the answer. He was draft What year
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 6: did they ninety one?
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 5: Year did they draft Slade?
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 6: Ninety three?
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 5: Ninety three?
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Chris Singleton was drafted in nineteen ninety with the
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 9: eighth overall.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: So already, already we're off to a.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 6: Rough I knew it was in that Rod Ross, Dick
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 6: McPherson really bad.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 11: I don't remember him at all.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 6: Singleton, Yeah, he just wasn't worthy of the top ten.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 5: Marcus Jones was the last player to be elected to
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: first team All Pro. Who was the last player before him?
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 5: Matthew Slater, that's correct, Gunnar Raschewsky, remember that league.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 6: Who was the last player that actually played a position?
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 10: That was Tom bray Goes. That's crazy.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 5: Which Patriots draft pick from a football age? Many moons?
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: Ago leads the Patriots in first Team All Pro nominations.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 9: Andre Tippett incorrect said many movies.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 5: John Hannah, No, you're not gonna get Ron mix.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 11: Yeah, nominated.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 5: Judging from the Chris Singleton this may be wrong, so
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Finally, the full back position has certainly
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: left its mark on American sports and culture history, but
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: possibly no more than when this beer company blank included
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: a player of such in their first ever commercial. Full
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 5: back full back in their first ever commercial. Who would
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: that full back be? I think I know, but.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: Well, you should know that beer.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 6: Company Miller was the great last feeling.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was Larry Zanka, wasn't it? Or Riggins?
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: I don't know, would Riggins be No, he wouldn't be
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 5: all kind of ye. So anyway, that's that.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 9: So I don't think Ron Mix actually ever played for
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 9: the Patriots f y I so.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, career, that's I don't know if we can think.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 9: He was drafted by the Patriots, but I think must
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 9: have been traded and never because he doesn't have any
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 9: stats with the Patriots.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 10: One who was he with?
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 9: Mostly San Diego Diego?
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, driven Madrid wants to know how many shows we're
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: going to be doing this week? Just today and Thursday
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 5: to two shows?
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 10: How do you manage the hurrying with two shows with picks?
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 10: It's like hurry stopped, then you gotta hurry again. It's
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 10: it's a lot.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I'm just having fun.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 10: It's Christmas Eve.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 6: Come on, guys, I would be with you if I could.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 6: I all breathe.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 7: Allergic.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 9: I just keep them moving.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 11: I don't want to.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 6: Christmas. Christmas, take no offense.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 9: It's not because you smell. It's because you're sicking.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 10: My Christmas wish, my Christmas wish is that Paul can
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 10: taste his food tonight. That's all. I hope that you
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 10: can enjoy these wonderful meals tomorrow without all over everybody like.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 6: This is.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 9: The Seven Fishes, Paul, No, not anymore?
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 7: Are you I even do that.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 6: I'm not a seafood guy. There will be lobster tonight
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 6: at the.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 5: Table, but just not You don't like any seafood. Not
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 5: really about tuna, like tuna, sandwich tuna or like no.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 6: Sandwich tuna for the most part. But I've had mahi
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 6: mahi to that's not bad. Sword Fish isn't bad sword fishes.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 7: Fish is not very fishy.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 6: About fit yourself, that's a steak.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: I love. What about salmon? You like salmon? I don't
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 5: know if I've ever had I think you'd like.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 6: So I'm not completely I'm not.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 7: Eric like the fishy, fishy taste.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 6: I'm not all out on seafood.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 5: I just about clam showder.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 6: I don't like Clama.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 5: I think I remember you having a shrimp sauce, not
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 5: with a he just takes them.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 6: I'm with it because I really like you know, I
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 6: like spicy food. Oh if I had that right now,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 6: I'd stop coughing. I'll guarantee it the whole.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I can't wait, Tim, our friend from Duncan Donuts,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 5: right since I emailed last week or a couple of
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 5: weeks ago, and I said I thought the Patriots might
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: be flat and not ready to play against the Cardinals.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 5: Unfortunately I was right. Speaking of the game, there was
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: a large Patriot contingent, and we still seem to travel
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 5: well to support the team. The perfect weather certainly doesn't hurt.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 5: I have another prediction for this week. I think they
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: are going to put it together and win this weekend,
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 5: something like twenty seven to seventeen. I know the Charger
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 5: defense is much better than Buffalo's, but we are home
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 5: on a short week.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 10: Do you think it'd be kind of a tough blow
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 10: for the Chargers, you know, who were trying to you
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 10: put you set it on our show, Paul of They're
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 10: tougher you know, like they harbor brings this element of toughness.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 10: You know, I think it's a tough loss, like just
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 10: pretending they came in and you know, they lost to
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 10: the Patriots. Patriots kind of handled them a little bit.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 10: Do you think it's a little bit of a blow
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 10: to that identity down the end where you go to
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 10: a three win team and then you lose and everybody's
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 10: saying like, yeah, that's the same old Chargers. They can't
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 10: go play. It gets a little cold, you know, they
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 10: don't maybe they don't quite have that identity.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 6: What will happen now? I'll say this, they have the
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 6: identity of being a tough team, but they don't run
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 6: the ball well. They want to run the ball and
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 6: be physical, and they just don't do it well. Defensively,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 6: They're been very good most of the year, but they
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 6: don't seem to be playing very well right now. So
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 6: I don't know if that's sort of people have figured
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 6: out a little bit. I don't know.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 9: The toughness thing is weird to me because I agree
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 9: with you. I don't like watch them and think that,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 9: oh this is this is a tough, physical, run down
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 9: your throat football team. They certainly cost playing it. Stylistically,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 9: they want to be that, you know, they have the
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 9: two tackles, they have the full back that you know,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 9: plays both sides of the ball, and like, you know,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 9: they have guys that can do that sort of thing
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 9: and they have bigger backs. But like it's I don't know,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 9: there's still Herbert, Like it's still a passing offense, you know,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 9: and that sort of thing. So I am, I don't know.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 9: That might just be a Jim Harbough thing.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 17: Yea.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 6: Why is like the fact that it's a short week,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 6: Why does that helped the Patriots.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 5: Well, it's even shorter for them because they have to travel.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 6: But it's not a short week for them. It's a
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 6: short week for the Patriot.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: Oh that's right, they had Thursday.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 6: Maybe that's what he was Maybe I missed that, Okay, yeah,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 6: maybe that's what he was thinking, is it's a short
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 6: week for the Chargers. I thought he was saying it's
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 6: a short week for the Patriots and that was an advantage.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 6: But you're probably right. Yeah, he probably forgot that they
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 6: played on Thursday. Right, My bad.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 5: Let's see Anthony and Seattle. I just wanted to wish
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 5: you all very Merry Christmas. Also, I'm not listening live,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 5: so apologies that this has already been discussed, but I'd
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 5: like to know if Evan saw in his film review
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 5: that it looked like the Bills had an absolute precise
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 5: read on our snap count, because I noticed it live
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 5: and I couldn't believe how well they were tied it up.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 5: Perhaps they were, they dumped it down to help out
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 5: our offensive line avoid penalties, but on the flip side,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 5: it made it very easy for the opposing defense to
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 5: time up the cadence.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 9: I did not notice that. I just think von Miller
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 9: is a lot better than Trey Jacobs. Like, I don't
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 9: think that it was happening really on the other side.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 9: Like Vederian, though had a pretty good.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 6: Game in this he was definitely better than he was.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he was pretty quiet in this game. He only
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 9: allowed one pressure. Really, the entire offensive line was fined
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 9: outside of Trey Jacobs in pass protection. I mean they
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 9: got him on some of the blitzes and things like
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 9: that late, but no, I just think von Miller was
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 9: just giving Trey Jacobs the Yeah, yeah, I don't think
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 9: it was like a snap count thing.
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  Speaker 5: No, Can I ask you a question because you grinded
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 5: the film and you know, the ball. Maybe I I
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: screwed up on the blog because on the play that
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 5: where the ball went off Remandre's hands and they recovered
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 5: in the end zone, I said, oh, that was all
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 5: on Ramondre. I didn't really look at it closely. Yeah,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 5: but I was reprimanded by saying, no, it was a
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 5: terrible play call. There was a guy bearing down on him,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 5: which I know of what did you see in that play?
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: Was it like was it meant to be a lateral pass?
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 5: I don't think it was, like what was.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 9: Not one hundred percent though? So really I would say
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 9: the biggest thing was that Trey Jacobs missed the cut block.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 9: So Trey Jacobs is supposed to cut russo there get
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 9: him on the ground. So there that way Whemandra can
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 9: swing you know, up the field so that the past
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 9: then becomes a forward pass on the screen. And they
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 9: actually had numbers on the screen too, and it was
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 9: probably going to be a decent gain if they had
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 9: completed the throw. I would say, out of the three
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 9: guys that you know were responsible, you know, Drake, Trey
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 9: Jacobs and Rimandra Vermandra would probably be at the bottom
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 9: of those three just because he gets hit in the
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 9: face with like a missile from Drake from like five
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 9: yards away, and then there's a guy that just comes
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 9: in and clocks him right away. I don't really know
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 9: what else he could have necessarily done with Drake. I mean,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 9: maybe you see that and throw that one away, you know,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 9: I think that's that's possible. But it is a quick hitting,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 9: you know, to catch the ball throw the type of play.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: People that on the blog they were they were blaming
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: Drake for not seeing the guy bearing down and you know,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 5: eating the ball or away and a VP because it
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: was They thought it was a terrible play call in
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 5: that situation.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 9: It's a little risky given the fact that you're backed
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 9: up like that to throw a screen even at best,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 9: you're really throwing it like laterally that's the wrong word,
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 9: like horizontally towards the line of scrimmage, right, so like
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 9: you're flirting with it being a backward pass to begin with.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 5: If the cut block is made, is it, is it
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 5: less risky?
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's the whole that's really the set. The center
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 9: of the play is that you got to cut the
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 9: end there, get him down on the ground. Get his
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 9: hands out of the passing lane, and then you and
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 9: then you have that open passing lane and that you
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 9: know for for Drake, like that all happens and within
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 9: second of each other.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 5: It doesn't look like if if you know, aside from
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: that one defender, like, did he have room to run?
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 17: Yeah?
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 9: I thought so. I mean, you never know how the
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 9: blocks were actually going to develop once the balls in
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 9: the in the receiver's hands. But I thought they had
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 9: it set up pretty nicely. And it's a plane that
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 9: Da've run a dozen times this year, you know, like
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 9: it's a stable screen concept of theirs out of that
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 9: that pony package, you know, the two running backs. But
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 9: it just it probably wasn't the right area of the
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 9: field to call it. I would agree that with that.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 9: But at the end of the day, the execution is is.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 10: Mostly Brian Hoyer had a good little bit on I
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 10: don't know if you guys caught it on social media
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 10: one of his shows. Got a bunch Now. He put
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 10: it on Drake. He put it on Drake.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 6: It was all on Drake. There's no way that ball
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 6: is supposed to go backwards under any circumstance.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 5: Well, did you think it went backwards because he was rushed.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 9: No, it went backwards because the end was in the
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 9: passing lane, you know, so he couldn't.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 6: But I just I think I went backwards.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 9: Okay, I guess I could see where how is coming
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 9: from in terms of you know, you could decide not
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 9: to throw it right, like when you see that the
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 9: end is he doesn't get cut. But now you can't
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 9: put it at his feet because it's a backwards.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 6: Pet but you put it forward at his feet like
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 6: that's right.
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  Speaker 9: But he couldn't there though.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 6: His feet were all off. His footwork was bad, he
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 6: said on that play, and he did talk about the
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 6: the Rousseau part of it, and he did say because
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 6: it might have been a forty yard game. Now, where
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 6: did Taron Johnson come from? He was supposed to get cut,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 6: but Taron Johnson was in there in a plank.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 9: He was there was a block set up on the
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 9: sideline there. He's you know, obviously playing the nickel and
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 9: they had a blocker on him. But once the ball
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 9: hit the ground, he believed.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 6: You guys, notice like you know, the recovery in the
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 6: end zone, like we're so like when like after the
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 6: ball and he kind of like slipped and he fell
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 6: and like it was like where Evans like, uh, you know, Coster.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 6: It was like it's like you couldn't get it. It's
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 6: like and I joked, it was like, you know, I
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 6: said to do start. It's like when you have that
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 6: dream and you can't run right, Like you couldn't get
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 6: the ball. I just couldn't get there.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's funny playing there.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 9: Forever, horrible horrible football play all around.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 5: Kevin writes in appreciate the you guys for the top
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 5: tier content you put out. My question is about Jahem Bell.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 5: How has he looked over the course of the season
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 5: in practice and you think he could be a contributor
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 5: next season. We don't get to.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 11: Really magic practice. No, I don't know, no idea that
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 11: you know.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 5: That is a disadvantage that we have, not just us
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 5: all the media. Other than training camp. We don't get
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 5: to watch practice. I mean, Evan comes back from practice,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: but all these season is them stretching in maybe one
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: unit drill.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 9: I feel like that's a common misconception. Like I get
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 9: a lot of of replies on the on the X
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 9: machine of like, oh, how does so and so look
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 9: at practice? Like your guess is as good as mind playing.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 6: With that particular pay or he missed a good chunker
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 6: camp yep. So we didn't even get a chance to
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 6: see him every day, you know, in that setting.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 10: But he's just they've been sprinkling him in. I mean,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 10: it's it's like, oh, there he is.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 6: I haven't really seen anything.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 9: They keep on trying to hit him on the slide
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 9: route off the bootleg, like you know, the route at
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 9: the line of scrimmage that goes across, and they just
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 9: they can't run those bootlegs, man Like, they just can't
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 9: get them off, and they just never look right. They
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 9: never look clean. And you know, he's supposed to have
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 9: like the flat to himself and have like all this
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 9: space out there to to you know, just catch the
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 9: ball and make a play with it, and they just
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 9: they never seem to be able to get it going.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 5: All right, about ten minutes left, so just to make
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 5: sure that we have enough time, we'll we'll get into
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: should we do what happened last week? Or should I
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 5: didn't I don't have all right, we'll wait for that
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 5: for Thursday. Paul hasn't done that yet, so we will go.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 6: Another good week for everybody, though, especially me, right, I
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: don't know.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 5: Okay, that's fine. So tomorrow there's two games on Christmas.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 5: They're on Netflix. If anyone uh doesn't know that already.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 5: The first one starts at one o'clock. So let me
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 5: ask you a question before we get into the pics.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: At one o'clock in your houses, everything opened, all the
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 5: presents opened by then.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 11: Fred, I'm totally with you.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 10: I'm totally with you.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 6: I stepped out. I would co sign on everybody one
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 6: at a time.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 10: Yeah, thank yeah, yeah, dead dead period in the day.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 10: I'm ready to Just what am I doing now? The
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 10: kids are playing with their toys. You're kind of eating,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 10: You're like Christmas is kind of I'm with you.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 6: I okay, what time are you eating at one o'clock?
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 10: No no, no, no, no no no. We'll eat that like
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 10: later at night. But you've had you've had your big
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 10: breakfast though. We don't really eat lunch. It's something in
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 10: the middle of the day.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 6: Jesus house.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't care for this.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 10: Oh yeah, breakfast, big deal.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 5: We do my stockings breakfast and my wife makes a
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 5: monkey monkey monkey bread. Yeah, that's very good.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 9: I could be watching the Celtics look for basketball cre
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 9: Yeah at five.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 5: At five, So this game's at one on Netflix. It's
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 5: the fourteen and one Chiefs at the ten and five Steelers.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 6: Kansas City by three.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 10: Well, last week I'd gone with Kansas City like all year,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 10: and then like I slowed then, like the first time
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 10: I didn't take the points for them.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 11: They that's when they of course did cover.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 10: And then last week I went against them, and then
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 10: of course they won and we mean and Paul talked
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 10: a little about Houston's just complete meltdown after Tank Dell's
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 10: unfortunate and horrific injury. So I got to get back
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 10: on the bandwagon. I'm going to go right back to
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 10: the Chiefs. I also think the Steelers are tapering off.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 10: I do like what they're you know, just what Mike
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 10: Tom was pulled out of that team this year. But
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 10: I'm gonna go see Kansas City lay the points.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Chiefs on Christmas hard to pick against them. I'll
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 7: take them to cover as well.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I keep on waiting for the Chiefs to lose again.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 9: It just doesn't happen. I guess I do wonder at
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 9: what point, though, they start to kind of cut it
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 9: down a little bit for the playoffs, but I'll pick
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 9: Kansas City in this game both ways. I think that
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 9: they're still rolling.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 6: I'm going to take the Steelers. They've lost a couple
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 6: in a row. They need the game more than Kansas
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 6: City does. They're at Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh can still win the division,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 6: which I think is a huge difference being at home,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 6: so I think that they get back on track. I
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 6: don't think Pittsburgh is all that good. I don't think
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 6: they're one of the contenders with the Chiefs, the Ravens,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 6: and the Bills, but I think they win this one.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 6: I don't think they would beat Kansas City in a
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 6: playoff game, let's put it that way.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 5: I was all ready to say, Evan, your weight is
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 5: over because the Steelers are going to win this game.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 5: And Paul, this is this is I'm glad you made
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: this pick because this is what it means to have
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 5: a feeling for the league. This is a perfect game.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 6: It's high praise.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 5: This is this is a perfect game to demonstrate those
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 5: who have a feeling for the league.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 6: That's really high.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 10: That's quite a you guys made up Christmas miracle.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 6: I'm a little taken everyone.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 5: When the Steelers win this game. Folks don't understand what
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 5: a feeling the league means. So all right, but the
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 5: next game is at four thirty. It's on Netflix as well.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 5: The ten and five Ravens are at the nine and
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 5: six Texans. I hope c J. Stroud is okay.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 6: I'm really I'm really not happy with that he felt
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 6: for his guy, like the amount of like static, this
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 6: poor guy is taken because he was emotional.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 5: Well, it was a little bit much, don't you think
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 5: I was? I was. I mean I watched it live
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 5: and I was just like, I like to guys.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 6: They care about me, Like like I like Drake May's
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 6: reaction on the hospital ball to the Austin. Okay, I
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 6: like that, but I like that the guys are affected
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 6: by guys that took big shots.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 5: I know, but guys have got hurt a lot of status.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 6: C J has taken over.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 5: I thought I was a little bit taken.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 9: Aback literally looked like.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it was like going the wrong way.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 6: Baltimore, Baltimore by five and.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 10: A half, Baltimore by five and a half. Yeah, that's
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 10: I'm gonna I'm gonna take you. I'm gonna take Baltimore.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 10: I think they got that Pittsburgh monkey off their their back.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 10: They feel pretty good. Uh, I'm gonna take Baltimore win
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 10: this one.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 7: Raven's on the road.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm gonna take Baltimore too. I think Baltimore is
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 9: really good. I know that they they've had some slip
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 9: ups here and there this season, but I still feel
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 9: like they're They're in that upper edchelon of the AFC
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 9: with Kansas City and Buffalo.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 6: I hardly wholeheartedly agree. I think they are every bit
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 6: the contender that Kansas City and Buffalo are in the AFC.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 6: The defense is starting to play a little bit better
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 6: watching their game last week. A lot of talk about
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 6: Kyle Hamilton changing back to what traditional safety role has
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 6: made a huge difference for them. So I'll take the
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 6: Ravens to win. I will take the points though five
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 6: and a half at home.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 5: Paul lockstep again. I'm gonna take the Ravens all the
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 5: reasons you guys said. I think the Ravens have figured
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 5: it out and I think they're ready to contend. Uh,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 5: So I want them. I have them winning. But I
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 5: see the Texans, you know, obviously putting up a fight
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 5: at home. So I'm gonna split the baby, as they say,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 5: and I will take those points. So those are the
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 5: two games scheduled for Christmas.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean when I said that were me and
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 10: Paul were catching up about those games last week with
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 10: the Texans, and like, after that injury, it just felt
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 10: like any momentum, any kind of chance that they had and.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 6: Houston was gonna win that game. If that was just
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 6: a regular touchdown and nothing happened to Tank Dell, I
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 6: think they were playing better than Kansas City to that point,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 6: and for the rest of the game, Kansas City controlled.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 10: You could just I mean, I haven't watched a ton
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 10: of Houston this year since the Patriots played him, but
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 10: you just see his confidence in Dell and I think,
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 10: you know, when he was emotional after he got hurt,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 10: you could tell it was like, well, one part Tank
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 10: Dell terrible injury last year, rehab is just finally getting
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 10: his stride.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 12: C J.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 11: Stroud has now found.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 10: Like an engine really, you know, to compliment their offense,
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 10: and so it's I think it's a tough blow for them.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 10: I'd be interested see if they can bounce back, though,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 10: you know, a young team that they were coming up
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 10: and down year they were kind of the darlings coming
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 10: into this year and it could be a raw rock
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 10: game for them, ra rock game.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 9: That's a big, big game, big kind of month here
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 9: for Bobby Slowik, who, like everyone thought was gonna be
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 9: the next you know, Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan head coach,
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 9: and this year it's not been so great.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 6: Are gone?
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 8: You know?
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 6: So they had to pick up Deontay Johnson. Oh geez,
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 6: look out to play against the Ravens.
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  Speaker 9: I actually saw somebody I won't name who was like,
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  Speaker 9: why wouldn't the Patriots do? It's like with Deontay Johnson,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 9: like did you hear what happened with him on his
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  Speaker 9: last two teams?
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  Speaker 5: At this point, I don't think there's much point in
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  Speaker 5: picking anyone up. Oh my god, rhet wrights in, are
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  Speaker 5: we gonna get a chance to see Milton in relief
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  Speaker 5: at all these last two games? I'm not suggesting has
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  Speaker 5: failed in any way, But with all the talk about
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  Speaker 5: assessing young players and seeing where they are at and
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  Speaker 5: if they are developing or showing upside for the future,
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  Speaker 5: is there a chance Milton is developing into a serious
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  Speaker 5: QB two or a higher quality trade chip for the
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  Speaker 5: future sounded like Milton has done well in practice and
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 5: has accepted his role, taking it seriously, working hard to
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  Speaker 5: keep the team and develop himself.
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  Speaker 10: I don't think so unless it's out of hand either way,
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  Speaker 10: like the Patriots or Cruisers, and.
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  Speaker 9: They would have to make them active for the game
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  Speaker 9: to begin with, like he hasn't been active for a
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  Speaker 9: game officially all year long. And yeah, I did. We
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  Speaker 9: get a lot of this in the mail bag. I
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  Speaker 9: feel like if they're gonna have.
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  Speaker 6: Got a call this morning about it, yeah, understand it.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't really understand it either, Like next preseason
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  Speaker 9: he will have his opportunities to showcase what he can
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  Speaker 9: do and all that kind of stuff, Like he'll have
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  Speaker 9: his he'll have his chances.
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  Speaker 6: He's played ten games, Like why does he not need
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 6: the other two at twelve? Like we done? Like Drake
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  Speaker 6: may like as nothing left to learn, nothing left for
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 6: him to improve on.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, when they were in that zone read I was
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 9: kind of done. I was like, Okay, we're good. That's
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 9: all I needed to say.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 6: So you want Milton to play the last Absolutely not.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 9: But I'm just saying like that, you know, that was
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 9: the one thing I was waiting or if.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 6: You can make it through a game without turning it over,
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 6: how about get a win? How about winning finish a game?
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 6: Beat Chicago, winning a couple you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 6: Another way, I think there's a tremendous amount winning winning
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  Speaker 6: multiple times.
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  Speaker 9: I'm in that. I'm in agreement with you, but I
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 9: don't want them to win. But I'm in agreement with
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 9: you other than that, Yeah.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 5: You heard that.
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  Speaker 6: I don't want them to win, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 9: I want them to play the exact game they played.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 5: It because you want that high draft for who to
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 5: trade it if they don't win, Like I heard, if
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 5: they had lost, I mean, if they had one last week,
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 5: they would have dropped like significantly.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Like there could be a difference. There's a lot
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 9: of bad teams, so there could be winning a fourth game,
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 9: or could be the difference of like the number one
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 9: overall pick and like the ninth pick in the draft.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 6: Right the Raiders went from like two to six or something.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, peer Scott asked about like you talked to the
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 10: ton Telesco about it.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 9: So let's hard, Oh, very competitive losses. Okay, that's what
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 9: the Patriots need.
• 1:59:34
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• 1:59:37
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• 1:59:41
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