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Justine Nelson - Unsung Cinema · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Hey there, this is John Doe.
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  Speaker 2: You're listening to Movie Meltdown. Very glad to have you along.
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  Speaker 2: We have lots of exciting things to talk about.
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  Speaker 3: What's up, and welcome to Movie Meltdown's Unsung Cinema. I'm Brian,
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  Speaker 3: and in this series, I welcome a guest to discuss
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  Speaker 3: their involvement in film. and then we round out the
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  Speaker 3: episode talking about a movie that they enjoy, but also
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  Speaker 3: feel maybe it's something that not enough people have seen.
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  Speaker 3: In this episode, I'm talking with Justine Nelson, an actor
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  Speaker 3: I was just recently introduced to when I saw the
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  Speaker 3: new movie Turn It Up from director Sam Scott. And
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  Speaker 3: I was really impressed with the movie, and it's a
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  Speaker 3: little unconventional at times, so Justine definitely has her work
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  Speaker 3: cut out for her on how to approach that role.
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  Speaker 3: So I wanted to find out more about her as
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  Speaker 3: an actor, and then we learn even more about her,
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  Speaker 3: and life in general, as we move into the discussion
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  Speaker 3: of her film choice, The Worst Person in the World.
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  Speaker 2: So let's get to all that right now as we
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  Speaker 2: talk with Justine Nelson.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I didn't know too much ahead of time, so
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  Speaker 3: I'm actually going to start kind of really early on.
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  Speaker 2: I guess, where are you from originally?
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  Speaker 1: I'm originally from a suburb outside of Toronto, Ontario, Canada,
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  Speaker 1: called Hamilton. But I've lived in Toronto before. for like
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  Speaker 1: almost 15 years.
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  Speaker 3: Okay and then as far as that far back when
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  Speaker 3: you were a kid what were you interested in?
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  Speaker 2: Was it the arts? Did you start that early with.
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  Speaker 3: Something theatrical or was it just sort of a general
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  Speaker 3: what were you into?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah well growing up I my mom tried me in everything.
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  Speaker 1: I was an only child so she put a lot
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  Speaker 1: of her focus onto me trying to figure me.
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  Speaker 2: Out Were you okay with that?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know any different. Now I'm like, God damn,
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  Speaker 1: it would be great to have a sibling to help
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  Speaker 1: me with aging parents. But yeah, so I tried everything, sports,
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  Speaker 1: which I was mildly interested in everything, but I didn't
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  Speaker 1: stick anything out really until I was in sixth grade,
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  Speaker 1: specifically when it switched. My teacher told me I was
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  Speaker 1: a good actor. And I, for some reason, that stuck
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  Speaker 1: with me. And I was so excited about the compliment.
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  Speaker 1: I told my mom and she was like, well, let's
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  Speaker 1: try that. So she put me in camps and I
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  Speaker 1: was hooked. That was the first thing that I stuck out.
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  Speaker 1: And then I was in acting classes and camps and
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  Speaker 1: I did a local theater production of the boxcar children
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  Speaker 1: when I was like 12. And then, you know, school plays,
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  Speaker 1: like not the, I didn't do the school musicals. We
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  Speaker 1: had plays, which were To me, I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's highbrow.
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  Speaker 2: Very fancy, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, mostly because I didn't get any parts in those musicals,
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  Speaker 1: which was devastating. But I typically leave that out, except
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  Speaker 1: apparently I just told you. Yeah, and then from that
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  Speaker 1: moment on, from about 12 onwards, I was very zone-focused
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  Speaker 1: on acting, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What's funny is looking back when your teacher originally said that,
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  Speaker 3: did she mean it theatrically or was it like in
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  Speaker 3: class where you just like, you're like coming up with
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  Speaker 3: something very dramatic to get out of turning in this
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  Speaker 3: paper on time? Or was it actually like theater related?
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  Speaker 1: That's funny. I mean, honestly, neither. I feel like it
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  Speaker 1: was somewhere in between. I was a really quiet, dorky
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  Speaker 1: kid at that age. And I think she sensed that
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot of print we had just
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  Speaker 1: like in our growing up that district we had like
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  Speaker 1: just switched like grade six was a brand new school
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't know anybody and I had to do
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  Speaker 1: um like a class project and I guess I was
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  Speaker 1: acting certain things out to describe things I can't even
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  Speaker 1: remember what the project was but it was like after
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  Speaker 1: she told me after this little project thing and it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't even I don't think it was particularly supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be theatrical um and I was just so desperate for
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  Speaker 1: compliments I think at that age I I just really
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  Speaker 1: zoned in on it and I was like oh Wonderful. Well,
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  Speaker 1: let's take that. I doubt she even meant it. It
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  Speaker 1: was just like a passing comment that I've still remembered
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  Speaker 1: all these years later. Nope.
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  Speaker 2: You said it. No take backs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No take backs. Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I was that weird dorky kid. And I don't
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  Speaker 3: even think I got that sort of encouragement. And I
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  Speaker 3: think back now, I was like, you know, this is
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  Speaker 3: why it took so long to find anything like i
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  Speaker 3: question a lot of my uh teaching over the years
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  Speaker 3: i'm like these schools they were not helping me at all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah i had like dyslexia growing up and stuff too
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  Speaker 1: and teachers were mean about it like no one thought
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  Speaker 1: like i wonder like i remember once a teacher in
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  Speaker 1: front of everybody told me that i don't read very
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  Speaker 1: well and like when i when i had to read
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  Speaker 1: out front like you know out loud and i was
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  Speaker 1: mortified so probably why i was so excited when someone
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  Speaker 1: said something nice yeah, maybe, maybe teaching.
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  Speaker 2: Is not for you.
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  Speaker 3: This is sometimes I'm like, if you don't work well with,
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  Speaker 3: you know, other people or children, like maybe this is
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  Speaker 3: the wrong career for you. But I guess that at
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  Speaker 3: that point you said you were kind of all in.
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  Speaker 3: So was it just theatrical from that point or when
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  Speaker 3: did you start sort of taking into account, Oh, I
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  Speaker 3: can go out and look for, you know, like professional
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  Speaker 3: type jobs.
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  Speaker 1: Um, Well, I knew, I think from like a point
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  Speaker 1: of high school that I didn't want to be at
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  Speaker 1: that time. I didn't want to be a theater actor,
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  Speaker 1: but there wasn't really any other options in my town.
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  Speaker 1: And it didn't occur to me that I could go
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  Speaker 1: do auditions young. So I thought like once I'm done school,
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  Speaker 1: I want to go. I was like, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: move to L.A. and I'm going to be like a
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  Speaker 1: movie star, like film and TV. And then my mom
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  Speaker 1: at the time, she she said no. And back then
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  Speaker 1: I had to follow the rules. But she said I
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  Speaker 1: had to go to school first. So we found a
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  Speaker 1: school that was specifically training for film and TV so
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  Speaker 1: I could start doing that training in that medium rather
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  Speaker 1: than theater. So I did that for two years and
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  Speaker 1: then I moved to Toronto instead of L.A. because after
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  Speaker 1: being at school, there was a few connections and I thought, OK,
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  Speaker 1: I got to take advantage of this. So I moved
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  Speaker 1: to what was the big city, what I thought. And
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  Speaker 1: when I was about 20 years old, I moved there.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm still there.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to say, depending on the timing, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of projects were moving to Canada. So I
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  Speaker 3: guess it depends on where and when, but it's not
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  Speaker 3: unheard of, you know, moving to Canada and actually getting
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  Speaker 3: a decent amount of work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it does seem like it's a trajectory,
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  Speaker 1: like you sort of have to do, like you have to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, get some buzz in Toronto and then you
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  Speaker 1: get to, or Vancouver to be able to apply for
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  Speaker 1: a visa. Yeah. for the States. And I, unfortunately that's
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  Speaker 1: just been a very long, arduous process that I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know back then. I thought, well, I'll just do this
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  Speaker 1: real quick and then pop over there. And I'm still there.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I come over to, I'm like, I'm in
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  Speaker 1: New York right now, but, but I still, I work
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  Speaker 1: in Canada.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and then as far as getting into the industry,
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  Speaker 3: like that is one of those things that's continually changing.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, how, how different, even from when you started,
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  Speaker 3: does it seem like things are just trying to get basic,
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  Speaker 3: you know, jobs at this point?
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  Speaker 1: Gosh, I mean, everyone's situation is different. I mean, mine,
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  Speaker 1: it has not been easy. From the start, it hasn't.
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  Speaker 1: And it's sort of stayed that way. But I don't
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  Speaker 1: know why, just like certainly, I mean, I'd still, we
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  Speaker 1: don't produce as much stuff in Canada. And that's frustrating.
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  Speaker 1: I wish we had like more funding bodies and things
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  Speaker 1: like that, like America does. But We also have a
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  Speaker 1: much smaller population. I think our population in its entirety
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  Speaker 1: is the same as California.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess it makes sense. But yeah, when I
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  Speaker 1: first moved to Toronto, I was very, what's changed mostly
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  Speaker 1: is myself. I would say I was just very confident,
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  Speaker 1: ignorantly so. I just thought it was going to happen
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  Speaker 1: really fast. And I had a really fruitful or college
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  Speaker 1: career where I thought that, because like we did, I
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  Speaker 1: was in a film school and they did films and,
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  Speaker 1: I was cast all the time and the projects in college.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, Oh, this is going to be
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  Speaker 1: a piece of cake. And it was not, and it's
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  Speaker 1: still not, but it's slowly changing for me. Like I'm
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  Speaker 1: getting a bit more now, but it was, yeah, it's,
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  Speaker 1: it's tough. I would say like, I think across the board,
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  Speaker 1: Canadians find it quite hard. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and then I guess as far as just personal
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  Speaker 3: taste from when you were growing up and then moving forward,
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  Speaker 3: what type of movies were you drawn to? Or were
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  Speaker 3: TV shows.
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  Speaker 2: More of a focus early on? Or which were you
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  Speaker 2: kind of drawn to just as far as a viewer?
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  Speaker 1: I think films. And I wouldn't say my taste has
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  Speaker 1: kind of stayed the same. It's just like as movies
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  Speaker 1: have evolved, like my taste has evolved with it. I've
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  Speaker 1: always liked more indie-ish type of films like nothing like
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  Speaker 1: like like not like i only watch small art house
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  Speaker 1: movies but um i do things like.
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  Speaker 4: I remember when i was like 17 or 18 or
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  Speaker 4: maybe a little older my favorite movie was like crazy
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  Speaker 4: have you seen that from drake darmus no i.
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  Speaker 2: Do know the title but i don't think i've watched
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  Speaker 2: it it's.
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  Speaker 1: Great he filmed it on like a canon camera like something,
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  Speaker 1: I forget which model. And it's just like, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of it was improv and I just absolutely loved that movie.
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  Speaker 1: And I still do. Like, I, I, I still think
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  Speaker 1: I was talking about it recently with a friend. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so I still love films that are a little bit
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  Speaker 1: like quieter, maybe slice of life type of dramas. I like,
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  Speaker 1: I've always leaned towards those and that hasn't changed yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm back and forth like I I
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  Speaker 3: use I use the mainstream super big budget stuff when
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  Speaker 3: I need to because sometimes it is more of the
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  Speaker 3: escapism part of it that that you need like just
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  Speaker 3: to kind of keep your brain okay.
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  Speaker 2: Because a lot of that's what I find.
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  Speaker 3: It's like I will hit those like indie dramas and
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  Speaker 3: I am all in and I am sucked in. But
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  Speaker 3: sometimes it's so much like because they're usually really heavy.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm just like, sometimes I might want to break
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  Speaker 3: from that. And I'll just, you know, watch some cheesy
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  Speaker 3: horror and have fun with that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, I'll watch Hacks. I'll just I'm rewatching
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  Speaker 1: it because I'm devastated that it's over. That's how I
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  Speaker 1: get my little breather. from all the misery and the
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  Speaker 1: movies that I watch. Cause I, I do love a
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  Speaker 1: heartbreaking film. I just love it. I don't know what's
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  Speaker 1: wrong with me.
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  Speaker 2: Um, I get it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Those are my go-to like for what I really get into.
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  Speaker 3: Like I, it's one of those and I usually can't
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  Speaker 3: even like recommend those to other people because normal people
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  Speaker 3: don't get into that on that level or I'm way more.
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  Speaker 2: Attached to those type of movies than others.
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  Speaker 3: Um, So yeah, it's, it's finding the right time to
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  Speaker 3: be like, no, this is my movie, but it's usually
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  Speaker 3: just me. Well, and then looking at the, the only
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  Speaker 3: other thing I'd seen, you know, that you were kind
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  Speaker 3: of interested in was photography. Are you, are you all
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  Speaker 3: in on that or is that just sort of a
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  Speaker 3: thing that you like to do sometimes or.
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  Speaker 1: Just a thing I like to do sometimes. Well, it's,
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  Speaker 1: I would say my side hustle out of necessity. It
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  Speaker 1: was a hobby and, for many years in my twenties.
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  Speaker 1: And then it was maybe during the, right after the pandemic,
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  Speaker 1: I decided I shouldn't, I could no longer waitress. My
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  Speaker 1: feet hurt too much. I couldn't do it. And my
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  Speaker 1: temperament and my demeanor was being affected.
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  Speaker 2: I started that way. I was like, no, this is
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  Speaker 2: definitely not a thing that I need to do.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, I did it for way too long
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  Speaker 1: for myself. Some people are so amazing at it. I
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  Speaker 1: was never that amazing. I don't know how I did
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  Speaker 1: it for as long as I did being not.
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  Speaker 2: Good at it.
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  Speaker 1: Like I would just laugh. Like I don't know anything
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  Speaker 1: about wines. I like to drink them. But when people
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  Speaker 1: would ask me questions, I would just pull it out
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  Speaker 1: of my ass.
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  Speaker 2: This one's red.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And they go, is it dry? And I always
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  Speaker 1: said yes, because I learned that no one wants to
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  Speaker 1: hear otherwise. If it's not dry, they don't want it.
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  Speaker 1: So I just say yes, yes. But yeah, so then
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  Speaker 1: photography sort of, I fell into it being my Joe
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  Speaker 1: job by word of mouth and people seeing that I
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  Speaker 1: had a camera and I was waitressing at a restaurant
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  Speaker 1: and then during the pandemic, everything closed down. So I
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: started helping the owners with their social media. And then
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  Speaker 1: that sort of became a full-time gig with them. And
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  Speaker 1: then other people heard that I did that. And then
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  Speaker 1: I sort of, it started off as like, I would
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  Speaker 1: take portraits of my actor friends and I really enjoyed that.
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  Speaker 1: It was like an artistic expression, but then it morphed into,
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  Speaker 1: I do a lot of food photography and event photography
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  Speaker 1: and it's soul crushing, but bills when acting does not,
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  Speaker 1: which unfortunately is often.
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  Speaker 2: You do what you gotta do.
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  Speaker 1: I do what I gotta do. And it's definitely sucked
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  Speaker 1: the joy out of photography a little bit, but I
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  Speaker 1: thankfully acting is picking up a little bit more now.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that in the future I can enjoy
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  Speaker 1: photography a bit more and being able to just do
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  Speaker 1: it like the things I want to do with it.
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  Speaker 3: There's several times I've, I've, gone in more than others
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  Speaker 3: on photography there was a very early stage when it
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  Speaker 3: was one of those where it was very traditionally artsy
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  Speaker 3: and trying to do something more you know specific along
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  Speaker 3: those lines and thinking oh maybe i can get a
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  Speaker 3: job in this area and none of that really panned
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  Speaker 3: out so then i had another wave recently that was
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  Speaker 3: just weird and like it was just it's mostly inanimate
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  Speaker 3: objects because i don't you know interact with humans but
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  Speaker 3: So I realized like all of my photography is just
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: inanimate objects.
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  Speaker 2: So then I just went with it. I'm like, all right.
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  Speaker 3: So then it became about framing and weird angles and
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  Speaker 3: like just finding cool stuff that I liked and no
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  Speaker 3: one else cared. So I enjoy it for that reason.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, you cannot make a living doing weird stuff
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  Speaker 3: that only you like.
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  Speaker 1: I know. But I'm glad you have that. That's great.
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  Speaker 1: If you found what you like to take pictures of,
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  Speaker 1: it's because keep that because when you lose that, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because I've sort of lost a little bit of the joy. um,
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  Speaker 1: in it, but you know, it is what it is.
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  Speaker 2: We do what we got to do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I guess moving into your recent movie, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you just had the premiere of turn it up.
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  Speaker 2: Was that where you're at as of right now?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. We did our premiere on the fourth and
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  Speaker 1: we had another screening last night and I believe there's
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  Speaker 1: another one tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: So that I was, really like i didn't know again
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  Speaker 3: based on description so if people don't know they'll probably
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  Speaker 3: be kind of concerned when they read it too like
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  Speaker 3: wait what is this movie i was really impressed with
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  Speaker 3: what it was and and was not sure where it
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  Speaker 3: was going until i got there i was like oh
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  Speaker 3: no this is totally different and it's really that's what
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  Speaker 3: i responded to is how different it is oh yeah
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  Speaker 3: yeah i watched it and and they they sent the
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  Speaker 3: the link for it and it was amazing and Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so I was thrilled with it.
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  Speaker 2: How were you introduced to that project?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was very lucky. Gwen, who plays Court in
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  Speaker 1: the movie, I've known her for, honestly, probably a decade now,
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  Speaker 1: which is wild. That is crazy to think about. But
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  Speaker 1: her partner, Sam, is the director and the writer. They
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  Speaker 1: co-wrote it. But while they were writing it, it was
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  Speaker 1: originally the part of AC was written as a man.
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  Speaker 1: And then I think it was Gwen that proposed the
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  Speaker 1: idea that maybe AC could be a woman. And Sam
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  Speaker 1: liked that idea. She threw my name into the mix.
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  Speaker 1: And he said from that moment on, he sort of
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  Speaker 1: started to imagine me as the role. But then they
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  Speaker 1: had to talk to the producing team. And that was
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  Speaker 1: a bit more of a... They had to convince them
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  Speaker 1: a bit more because I think they were quite attached
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  Speaker 1: to the idea of it being a male character. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Was there... Because there's already.
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  Speaker 3: not a massive one, but kind of an underlying romantic
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  Speaker 3: angle going on there.
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  Speaker 2: Was that in the original one with it being a man?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. So it would change it to
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: be more of a queer love story, which I think
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: that's such a, that changes things.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: But, but that's what I like so much about it
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: was it's not about that. Like it's just going on
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: and it's so matter of fact, the way that it
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: is in life. So I was just like, as we
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: got into this, I was like, well, obviously, you know,
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: she's into her and like, so, but it doesn't ever
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: stop and go, Hey, just so you guys know, this
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: is what's good.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: It's like, it's just part of the story. And yeah,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: it's like, it's, it's, I love that aspect of it. Cool.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Same. So do I. Um, so yeah, I, they had
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: me audition and so they could see, you know, some
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: guys audition for the part and I got to be
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: one of the girls that auditioned. And then thankfully the, I,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: they liked my audition and then they agreed and cast me.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: So I, I had a bit of insight into it
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: because I had talked to Gwen. So it maybe helped
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: me with my audition a little bit, having a bit
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: of a chat beforehand. Yeah.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: And it's an unusual premise. So I guess, what did
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: you think about the concept as a whole?
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really cool. Unlike anything I had read
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: or done, this was my first horror film and horror project.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: So I was really excited to be able to do that.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: But it was interesting because I could tell the character
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: that I was going for was sort of... a grounding presence.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Like I didn't have to really stretch too much into
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: being part of that like horror element. So it would be,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I thought it'd be cool to be like a human
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: being with all of these crazy things happening around. Yeah.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: The horror sort of finds you and just sort.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Of envelops the whole movie more or less.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Exactly. So I was, yeah, I was really excited. I
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: was really crossing my fingers and toes that the producers
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: would agree with Sam and Gwen that, I could perhaps
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: play the role and that happened. And I'm so grateful.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Well, and it's very music oriented. Do you play music
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: on some level?
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, maybe a little, I could, if I,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: someone handed me a guitar, I could play a couple
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: of chords together, which I'm proud of. Had I ever
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: played the bass?
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Not once.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: So thankfully we had about a month leading up to
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: shooting and they provided me with a bass to practice
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: on and, I had the song, so I spent a
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: month learning that one riff over and over and over again.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: For the few shots of you seeing my hands, I'm like,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: those are my hands. I practiced for a month. So
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: that's my music history. Just one month of bass and then,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: you know, a little guitar.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Well, especially with that song, it's a very specific song
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: and a very specific groove that you get into.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: So once you got that down, you're good.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: It looks like I played, right? Yeah.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: And also for being, you know, sort of horror and
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: about a band, but it's also definitely got a.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Very comedic tone to it.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Was that something that the other actors and the director,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: were you all sort of discussing that balance of what,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: you know, it's horror here, it's drama here, it's kind
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: of still comedy, like figuring that out?
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: You know what, I think it just sort of flowed naturally.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: You could just tell by reading the script where where
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the jokes were and where the moments were and by
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: nature of like who was cast it just happened so
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: naturally um like the the agents like chris sadika's like
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: he's a comedian and he's just phenomenally funny like i
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: feel like you can give him anything and you know
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: it's going to be comedic because he's just a genius
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: And then John Craig, who plays Berg, he is also
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: just like so naturally funny. So anything with him in
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: it and the moments that he got to sort of
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: riff and improvise were just like you just could tell
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: on set where they were going to be. And then
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: they were even funnier put together, which was so much
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: fun to watch.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: And there's some definite weird gore things going on. How
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: much of that practical were you involved with? And then
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of trippy visuals. How much of that
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: was sort of after the fact added in? I guess,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: you know, while you were on the set, how were
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: you balancing all of those things?
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so everything was practical effects, which was really cool.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: And Jonathan Craig, who plays Berg, he doubled as our
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: special effects and makeup effects he that's his side that's
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: his main job actually so he did all of that
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: so he had two hats to wear and it was
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: so cool like i got to see most of it
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: like the exploding head we all got to be on
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: set for that like the big one where sarah's head
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: explodes that was such a cool day um and then
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: my up close um stuff i was the most close
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: with was the goo like i got to there's a
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: lot of goo yeah I just got, you know, I
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: would have it on my finger from time to time
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: coming out of my ear. So yeah, I got to,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: and then certain scenes that I wasn't a part of
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: because I got to work with Jonathan quite a bit.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Like I would see, he would show me things, like
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: he would bring things and like show the cast and
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: be like, this is going to be in the scene tomorrow.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: So things I wasn't there for physically, I got like
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: sneak peeks at. And we got to see his studio,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: which was really cool.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: I assumed that was, yeah, something that they had been
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: doing because it looks like the practical effects look, so
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: good and it looks like somebody who loves practical effects
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: is working on this movie so.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: And that was so fun that's what they wanted they
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: wanted it to look like that like so to add
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: to the camp and everything too which was a lot
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: of fun.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's what i was wondering on the on sam
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: your director was he like is this kind of the
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: direction he wants to go in you know from what
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: you can tell as far as what he's doing or
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: is this just a crazy one-off.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Id yeah You know what?
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: That's a great question that I'll ask him when I
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: see tomorrow. I don't know. I don't know if this
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: is like the, like the types, like if he always
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: wants to make horror, I feel like I would be
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: guessing though. I mean, I feel like he's got such
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: a expansive mind that he'll probably want to do multiple genres,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: but he does this genre so well. And he, he,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: he's a musician as well. So I think naturally the
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: music element came so natural to him and maybe that'll
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: be a through line in his movies. That would be a,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I guess from, you know, being a peer of his,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: cause he loves that. And he's been in bands like
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: since he was young and I believe he went to
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: school for music. Don't quote me on that. I'll ask
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: him tomorrow. But yeah, he's really close with the band
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Ace of Wands who did all the music in, in
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the film and all the bass that you hear from me,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: sadly is not, the audio is not me. And it's
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the band Ace of Wands.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Whatever works, it all sounds good.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: But the, the hands, that was me. And on set,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I did, I did make the sounds.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Well, that's, I mean, again, just the overall vibe to,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: to let people know and to help them seek it
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: out because it's not, it's not a conventional movie, but
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: that was what was, what was so sort of like
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: overwhelming in a good way to me. Cause I got
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: into it and Not tonally, like, cause this could almost
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: be a backhanded compliment. I got a very street trash vibe,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: which I don't know if you're familiar with, but it's like,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: it's sort of legendary cult film. And like, I have
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: issues with that as an overall movie, but what's so
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: amazing about that movie is it just doesn't care. Like it,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: it knows what it wants to be. And it has
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: this weird, sometimes gross.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Story to tell. And it like, doesn't care. Like it
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: is just awful. off on its own.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: We're going to tell you this story. We don't care
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: if the audience likes it or not.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: This is it. And like, I got that sort of
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: vibe as I'm into this.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: I'm like, this is like a weird, almost that same
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: era of like, especially once you work in the animation,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: it's got sort of that heavy metal vibe and that
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: like Ralph Baschke kind of stuff from, from that same era.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: That's like unconventional and doing things sort of different than
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: your traditional movie. And also not trying to fit into
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: any of those molds, like not caring if anybody likes
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: this or not, this is what we're making. And like,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: that's what I responded to so much from it.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, great. I mean, that sounds like very on point
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: with what our director, Sam, like how he describes it
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: when he talks about it as well. Like he said
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: that he wanted it to feel like, yeah, like we
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: didn't take ourselves too seriously. Like even sometimes the character's
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: like are in on the like absurdity of like, this
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: is ridiculous. And like, he liked the fact that like
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: sometimes that like the characters in the movie didn't even
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: know what the hell was going on. And, and just
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: going along with like the plot being like, what? Like,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: and he, he liked, He liked that element of it.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: It seemed like that's what he was going for.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: I think you need that in those type of movies.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: You kind of need the audience to feel like your
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: main character, which is like, we would be in shock
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: if this happened. So this person on screen probably should
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: kind of be in shock as well.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: He was saying yesterday, even like there's the part at
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: the end where one of the agents says, don't do
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: it again. And he's like, I don't think they could
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: if they tried. I don't think they even knew what
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: they did. Like, and he, he liked that, like throughout,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: like we're involved in all of a sudden we're in
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: this mess and we have no idea what it is.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Like there's a grander thing going on, but we have
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: no idea.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: You're swept up in it so far that it could
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: be taking people out along the way. And yet you
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: don't even know what's going on.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Well, does it have a distribution deal? Do we know
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: where it's going to go?
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think we know yet. I think that is
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the goal of this, um, this round, this trip, this,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: this festival. So yeah, I don't have an answer to
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: where it's going to end up just yet, but hopefully soon.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So definitely I will find out and help put
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: the word out. Cause it is something people need to
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: seek out. It is very interesting and different and impressive.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: So yeah.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Well, if you want, we also just sort of the
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: other half of the show is just, discussing a movie
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: that you're also a fan of. So if we want
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: to change gears into that, I'll do the rundown here.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Our Unsung Cinema feature is The Worst Person in the World.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: The year is 2021.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: The director, and I'm notorious for butchering people's names, so
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: let me attempt Joachim Trier.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Is that how he says it?
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I think it's Joachim. I could be wrong.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: I'm lucky to get, you know, your basic American name,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: so I'm not sure, but amazing regardless and they plot
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: according to imdb the chronicles of four years in the
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: life of julie a young woman who navigates the troubled
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: waters of her love life and struggles to find her
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: career path leading her to take a realistic look at
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: who she really is so spoiler alert we're gonna ruin
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: the hell out of this so you're supposed to go
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: watch it you should go watch it it's amazing so
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: As we get into it, usually my first question for
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: the guest is why this movie? Like if, you know,
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: we're throwing it out there, you know, what movie you
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: want to talk about? What sort of led you to
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: this movie?
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I watched it only recently, a few months ago,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: or maybe two months ago for the first time. And
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I had heard so much about it. And I was
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: in an acting class and I was doing a scene
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: from Sentimental Value. So I had watched, and I had
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: seen that in theaters, and that's Joachim's film as well
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: that came out this year. And I was just so, like,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I feel so in love with Renata Reinsven, who is
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: the lead actress. Oh, yeah. So I thought, like, okay,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: it's time to finally watch Worst Person in the World.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I just had been waiting because it wasn't on any
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: of the obvious platforms, like the ones that I had,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: so I thought it out. And why I've chosen it
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: is because It's the first film I've watched in a
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: long time that I was absolutely completely engrossed. And I,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: my mind was so focused on it. I have ADHD,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: so that's difficult. Like my mind will wander, you know,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: today's day and age, you accidentally pick up your phone
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: and you go, what am I picking my phone up for?
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I'm watching a movie. I just sat there and watched it.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: And like, I don't even know if I blinked. Like I,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: and I, and I haven't felt that in so long.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: And like, I have a lot of films I like
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: that I could have chosen, but I chose this because
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: it's the most recent film that's made me feel that way.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: And it was intoxicating. And yeah.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I definitely agree. Like, yeah, I knew of it.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: And that's kind of why I was like, it was
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: almost like the universe coming together because I knew of it.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: And then I.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Swear the day before, I just heard somebody go into
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: mentioning it and was talking about it. And I, in
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: my head was like, I really need to watch that.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: And then the, you know, the word came through of
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: what you're paying.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I really do.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: This is, this is what I need to do. And like,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I'm glad it led me here because it, it is
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: one of those.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I'm, I'm just like, you have to be kind of
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: enthralled with what's going on. but the other thing that's
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: so amazing to me is like again from a almost
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: a screenwriting standpoint of like sometimes people are working so
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: hard to come up with something new and different and
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: some weird take on something that you've never seen before
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: and I'm like this is the most regular life ever
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: And it's so relatable and it's so engrossing. And like, it's,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: sometimes I'm like, you don't really have to reinvent the wheel.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Like all you have to do is find an interesting
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: story to tell and tell it. And it's simpler than
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: we make it sometimes.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I feel like that's another
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: reason why I really liked it. It was really like
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: a slice of life. It was just about a person's
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: romantic life. Like that's all you really see. Like this,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: like obviously she has a life outside of that, but
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: this is through the lens of like, the chapters of
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: her romantic life. And I, I think it goes to
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: show that it's like, yeah, casting like the, the chemistry
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: between the actors was so beautiful. Like they're just like,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: it's so rare. I don't know. I loved it. There
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: was like, didn't leave much of the imagination. I really
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: believed these people and, and you can really just completely
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: dive in and believe it.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, it, it's just those, and it is
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: interesting that it breaks it up into chapters because it
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: is just sort of this ongoing thing that is our life.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: And it tries to like give them a specific arc
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: in and of themselves. But I'm just like, this is.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Just what we do. Like, it's just, it's so.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Like, it, it doesn't even like, there's not even like
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: a hard dividing line. Like sometimes they just bleed into
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: the next one.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Anyway with the story because that's how life works. And like,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: that's what we do.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Do we just go from one day to the next
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: and things happen and you deal with them and that's
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: what she's doing yeah.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: And i really liked how they're not it's not always
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: so literal like there's chapters that are her imagination or
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: how she's interpreting the everyday life her everyday life not
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: necessarily just it's not all so literal whereas like a
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: film like that where it's so grounded it was so
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: unique to have these like fantastical elements in it as
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: well where like the scene where the chapter where she
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: pauses the world and she goes running down the street,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: which I think made it into being the poster to
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: find her love interest at the coffee shop, which like,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: and then there's the, the scene, the chapter where she's
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: done mushrooms and like all of these. Yeah. I just,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: I just, I loved that too. So you're really like
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: experiencing what she experiences was so cool. And that's real
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: life too.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Cause we do that.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Those, those two are definitely the most like, artistic
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: moments of like, Whoa, let's, let's, you know, just take
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: a minute and do something, you know, a little outside
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: the norm, but so much of the rest of it
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: is very matter of fact, day-to-day stuff that, yeah, it's
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: interesting when it takes that turn.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, and it's so interesting. I, I, um, why
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I was drawn to those scenes. Like, I mean, there's
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: so many, like my favorite chapter is a different one,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: but what I found so interesting or why I personally
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: connected to the fantastical ones is I, I made a series, um,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: back in Canada called Mindfudge. And that's sort of the,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: like that's the theme of our show too. It's like
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: taking everyday life things and you're seeing the imagination, her
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: imagination play out. And that happened in this film, which
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I thought was really interesting. And so cool. I was like, well,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: that's how I experienced life too. And I made a
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: whole show about it.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: And you're on mushrooms right now.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: See, so many things in common. But yeah, my favorite chapter,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: oh gosh, which one was it? It's the one where
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: she's at the party. And she meets the other gentleman
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: whose character's name I'm forgetting.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Crashes the wedding.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Cause at first I was like, I thought it was
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: just like having a party and the door was open
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: and she just wandered in.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: But then later I'm like, no, this is a wedding.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: She just crashed the reception.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I just thought it was so like, that could have
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: been like a short film on its own, like a standalone.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Cause the chemistry between them was so palpable and just
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: so exciting and delicious to watch that I, I watched
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: it so many times over and over. I just like,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: couldn't believe the chemistry between two of the two of
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: them of these like actors. Like I didn't know before.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know Renato Reinsman now, but the other
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: actor I'd never seen, but I was like so invested
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: as if I knew them. Like, you know, when you like,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: you know, we're drawn to things sometimes that we're more
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: familiar with and I had never seen him before. And
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I just, I was so, I absolutely loved that, that
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: part of it. Yeah.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: And I think again, so much of it, you know,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: plays into relationship stuff and this was something that the
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: one thing I'll say that is sort of different specifically
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: in that scene is because we I didn't as we
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: got into even the title I was like I don't
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: like this cheating angle like I I don't know I
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: I've always had issues with that going on and obviously
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: they do too when they get into it because you
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: see them like figuring out like what what is going
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: too far like how much of an interaction with someone
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: that I'm attracted to can I have when it's still
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: just okay. And then where have we crossed the line here?
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: And they, I feel like they crossed the line pretty
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: early on, but the.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Whole thing is a line crossed. Like, and that's what's
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: so interesting is that like, they're doing this like very
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: immoral thing that I think most of us would have. We,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: we find it icky and uncomfortable to, to watch and to,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: to think about ourselves or our partners doing these things.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: But yet in this chapter, it feels so, I don't know.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I couldn't turn away. And I just like, I cared
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: about them. And while they're doing this horrible thing, it's
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: such a unique thing that the director did, like somehow
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: made them likable while doing this extremely unlikable thing.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Well, and again, it is a relatable moment.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Like it's so rare that I've had functional relationships in
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: my life, period. But there was one, like one of
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: the few times, like I'd found myself in a relationship
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: and I wasn't used to that in and of itself.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: And then I do remember a specific moment of like
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: meeting someone.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: This there's kind of like a moment here. And I'm like,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: in a different time in my life, this would be different.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I would take this different. I would want to follow this,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: but I can't.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: And I kind of don't want to, but at the
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: same time, it's a weird moment that you don't want
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: to miss. And you don't, you know, you don't get
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: those very often in your life. So like it was
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: capturing a thing that we find ourselves into in the
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: middle of sometimes. And it's, it's an interesting moment because
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: it's so, but yet it's skating that edge of like, okay,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: this isn't cool once you cross this line and they
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: very quickly start to cross that line.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Oh yes. They like, I guess it's like, it's like
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: something actualized. I'm sure a lot of people have experienced,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: like you just said, and then you just, it's unfolding
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: in this film in front of you. Yeah.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I just thought it was so entranced. Like I was
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: just so entranced in that, in that moment. I don't
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: know why I just couldn't look away. I just, and
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: it was mostly their chemistry. And it was like, helped
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: me turn a blind eye to what they were doing.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I was just like, well, how can you deny their chemistry?
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: That, that whole scene is amazing.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: The thing that I like very early on, and it's mostly,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: I guess her performance is what sells it is like,
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: there's a moment because we see her like the beginning
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: and it's almost a little more just sort of montage
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: of her.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Like being in school, not knowing what she wants to do.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Like, and so she gets to the point where she
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: meets the first guy and like they're moving in together.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: And there's that moment when she's putting stuff on the
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: shelves and it just sort of like she stops and
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: looks at things. And there's this moment of happiness that
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: she conveys so well. And I'm just like, I'm watching
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: it going, have I ever had that moment? Like she's
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: delivering something that's so amazing that I'm like, do I
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: even have this in real life? And that's what I
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: took away from this movie. It's so immersive that it
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: makes you question all of these questions of yourself.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I just think I'll watch anything she's in
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: now from here on out. And I think she does
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: that so beautifully. She's just such a delicious actress and
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: being able to like convey those nuances and like, yeah,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: so much so that it provokes that feeling in you
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure in everyone. I don't know. Like there
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: was so many things that she portrayed in this film
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: that were so like tiny and like specific. And I,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I just, they made it, it's so relatable because the
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: more specific you get, it's just so much more relatable.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: You'll just see, you'll see yourself in the emotion she's
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: portraying in her eyes. I just, yeah, I, I just
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: love watching her.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: And falling into the same traps that kind of everybody does.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Like it, all of the the games that come into
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: play in a relationship and there's there's more functional than
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: a lot really like the the one that we see
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: sort of falling apart and like just watching her like
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: feeling like she's bored in her relationship and it's like
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: well but that's a good portion of it like dealing
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: with that is a huge portion of being in a
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: relationship and I think he tries to explain that. And
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: if you're not in that place, you know, you can't
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: convince somebody of that. You can't make it happen. It
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: either has to be working or it doesn't. And like, it's,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: it's interesting watching her kind of do stuff that you're like, you,
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: you want to help.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: You want to be like, no, here's the thing. But
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: you know, you're, you're just, you're watching it. You're immersed
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: in it.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I could be getting the line wrong, but
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: there's like a moment where I think she says like, I,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I love you, but I don't love you. Or like,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I don't love you. Like, and it's just so. Yeah.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: So painful, because it's like, to be on the receiving
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: end of that and have to say that to somebody,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: because like, I'm sure that is universal, too, because we
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: don't always have language for specific things. And that kind
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: of conveys like, such as like a nuanced feeling of like,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I love you, but I don't love you. Like, oh.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: my God. Horrible.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, that is I'm assuming at least towards the
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: end of every relationship.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: It's like you wouldn't have been there if you didn't
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: love them. But like you wouldn't be leaving if you
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: weren't out of love with them to some extent.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: And I feel like if it's a real relationship, part
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: of that's always going to be there. And I, and
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: I seen that in people that like, even, you know,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: people are divorced, but like years later, like, you know,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: especially once kids get involved, it's like, you're still a family.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Like you can be divorced, you can be far from
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: a relationship, but they're going to be in your lives
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: and you have to deal with them. And like, there's
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: always going to be this baseline of, of love that
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: is still going to be there from when you started
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: this relationship that, That's, that's just, again, so much of
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: that comes through in this story.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: It's, it's so impressive.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: And it's such a complicated one for, for that relationship
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: with the two of them, because like nothing, he didn't
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: like nothing happened to make her like fall out of
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: love with him. It was just like the natural progression
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: of things, which is like so devastating when someone, you
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: just like fall out of love with somebody. But obviously,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: like you said, yeah, there's a, for them, there was
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: still love there, which comes back later in a very
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: like heartbreaking. Yeah. Yeah.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: And that's that's maybe the impressive thing, too, with trying
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: to balance that relationship, because I feel like a lesser
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: film would make him a bad guy. You know, it
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: would be like, oh, he's a terrible person or he
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: did this. And I'm like, he's abrasive, certainly. And he's
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: got his opinions on things. So there's times when you
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: don't love him. But at the same time, I'm like,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: he never does anything bad to her. He's always kind
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: of there and wants to continue a relationship. So it's
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: interesting that like, yeah, but sometimes that just doesn't happen.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it doesn't work out. So it doesn't take the
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: easy road of like, and then he's a horrible person.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: So she has to leave. It's like, no, she doesn't
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: have to, but she wants to. And that's kind of
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: the key, you know?
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's devastating. Like his story is so sad.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Like there's no like happy ending for him. And that
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: also- kind of his life. Like there's not always a
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: happy ending, which we all hope there is. And maybe
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: you can find moments of it and wait the way
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: to reframe your view on the world. But just, you know,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: very matter of factly, like his story was, he was
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: left by what he considered the love of his life.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: And then you find out that he had held onto
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: it for all of those years and then he gets
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: sick and that's so devastating. And, And then she, she's,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: she kind of, she reenters his life a little bit,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: but probably not in the way that he would love
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: for the end of life.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: And not in a romantic way, just almost friendship at
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: that point of like, we've spent so much time together.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: That, you know, I I'm saying goodbye, whether I want
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: to or not.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, yeah. And I, and I love how she's
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: not perfect and she's not meant to be perfect. Hence
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: the title. Um, but like, obviously she's not the worst
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: person in the world, but what I liked, I was
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: watching an interview. And he said there was like a
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: scene that was cut where she's looking at herself in
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: the mirror and she's, and it's, I think probably was
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: one of those like fantastical elements where she's saying to herself,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: you're the worst person in the world. And her reflection
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: is agreeing with her. Yeah. And that's, I just think
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: so universal that we have moments of like just thinking
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: the worst of ourselves. And, and if there's no, like,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: you know, you're, you're going to agree with yourself. You're,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: you know, you're going to look for things that confirm
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: that for you. especially like, and that was just, so
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I wish I had seen that scene, but even hearing him,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I think I really liked hearing, and that's how he
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: came up with the title. And I think that this
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: film isn't meant to be also so literal too. It
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: feels like her interpretation of herself.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. When there's so many other aspects that come into play,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: because even from the very beginning, it talks about our
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: like technical distractions and there's several moments along the way
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: that they're mentioning us being distracted by screens and stuff
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: like that. But at the same time, I feel like what's,
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: as he got to this towards the end, when he's
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: already sick, he's having what is one of his most
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: impressive scenes. And he goes into the, that whole talking
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: about stuff.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: And I've, I've had, we, one.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Of the episodes recently, I, one of the co-hosts, we
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: went into this thing because we're both, you know, movie
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: geeks and like physical media is what, you know, so
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: much of our lives have been about. And then his
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: line is like, I grew up in a time when
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: culture was passed along through objects and they were interesting
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: because we could live among them and we could pick
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: them up and hold them. And like that, that hit
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: home so much because I've had so much of that
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: thought lately of like.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I've got so much stuff, which some people would say
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: is a problem. But at the same time, I'm like,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: but it's, it is like kind of who we are.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Like I, and that's something that may be changing with generations,
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: but I feel like so much of what we are
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: is what we surround ourselves with, you know? And it's like,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: it is, it is a representation of our taste and
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: our history. And like, so much of it is like
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: around us all day long. So I don't know, just
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: listening to him talk about that. I was like, this
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: is something I've gone through my whole life of like,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: these are the things that are important to me.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: And that's why I surround myself with them.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: It must be so hard for younger generations because they
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: have access to everything in their device. They can feel
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: like they have all of these options and they know
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: about all this stuff, but it's just in this tiny
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: little rectangle in their hand.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: See, that's what I know we questioned when we were
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: having that discussion a couple of months back.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: It's like, do they feel things differently, kids now? Because...
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: it was so hard to get things.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Like he said, he was like going through record shops
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: to find an album or find an old comic. And like,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: you had to physically like seek it out to get this.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: So when you got it, it made it a little
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: more important to you. So when everything is available to kids, like,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: do they appreciate it the same way? Do they have
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: that like attachment to things the same way?
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: There's gotta be a difference. Like there's no way it's like,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I can order that on Amazon and I
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: get it tomorrow. And it's like annoying if it says
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: it's going to take two days.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Whereas like, yeah, when I was younger, I got really
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: into collecting Joan Jett records, but I'd have to like
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: go far places to get them. And I'd find one
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: and I'd be like thrilled. Like, cause now I could, yeah,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I could just like find it online.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, it meant something because you spent so much
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: time getting it versus just typing it in your phone. Yeah.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: And it'd be so exciting to go. You're like, oh
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: my God, I'm going to go to this place and
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: have this experience instead of just like sitting on my
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: phone and having no experience to get like that's a
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: whole experience yes having the thing is an experience but
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: the like you get to go on a journey to
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: get something like these like micro journeys um that they're
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: not doing as much because everything comes to them and
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: to us because it's obviously i'm taking part in it
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: because it's a habit and it's so much easier now
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: but yeah you made me think about it more it's
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: it's really sad and it's definitely doesn't feel the same
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Like the feeling I get as a kid going to
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: a store and getting a magazine rather than like scrolling
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: on my phone is so different. And, but now we're
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: so accustomed to this way of life. I want to
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: try to reverse it somehow, but it's so hard.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, again, I, it's becoming hoarding at this point,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: but like I am also the way I don't care,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: but then it led to another, then this was something
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: I actually had this conversation with someone because a lot
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: of it is so personal as well. And I was
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: talking to an actor and they like, they were talking about,
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: you know, signing eight by tens and stuff. And I'm like, yeah,
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: I have so many. And I'm like, they're all made
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: out to me. What happens when I'm not here? And
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: that's kind of what he's going through. It's like so
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: much of what he cared about were these physical things
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: that he surrounded himself with. And it's like, okay, well they're,
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: they're important because they're important to me. So when I'm gone,
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: is all this stuff meaningless? Like, because somebody else can,
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: just take it or throw it away. Or like it,
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: it meant something when I was there. So again, in
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: this grand universe, kind of a thing of like, so
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: once I'm gone, none of this matters anymore. All this
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: stuff I spent an entire life accumulating, like nobody cares.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: It's all, you know.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: They won't care the way you do. Yeah. And it
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: won't have the same meanings in the same way, but like, that's,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: isn't that fine? Like why, like we need to transfer
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: over our, like how things felt to us to somebody else.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Cause we can't do that. It's kind of like you
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: have a tree falls in a forest and there's no
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: one around. Do they hear it? Like with us, without
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: us being worried about what are these, are these things
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: going to have meaning? Like they're inanimate objects, which I,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: I feel that same way. Like I have things that
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: mean so much to me, but yeah, when I'm not here,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: they're not, no, they just won't. Like, unless we be
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: like Marilyn Monroe or something and everyone wants to see
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: the thing like, Oh, that was the shoe.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: On her foot.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Like, Yeah. But most of us don't have that experience
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: unless we like our children or legacies and things like
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: that or family members. But it, yeah, no, unfortunately it's
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: like that probably just for the time while you're here.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: See, that's what I think of is I, and almost
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: like threateningly now to my family members and like, Oh,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: you've got so much crap to go through.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: You don't even know.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: I guess I'm like, cause I've in recent years had
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: to do that. And for a couple of different family
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: members and I'm like, it's, sad and disturbing but at
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: the same time you're like what do I do with
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: this stuff like you can't keep everything so like it
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: is sort of heartbreaking to be like this whole person's
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: life are these things and they're gone and now you
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: can't keep everything so like what the hell does it
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: mean like it's I don't know this this movie unlocked
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: a lot of things in me.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: That's great yeah I mean I'm gonna watch it again
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: soon I watched it twice but it was a few
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: months ago and I'm excited to watch it again because
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I just, I loved it so much.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that, and that I guess is
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: the sort of the bigger question too. And it's funny
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: you use the tree in the forest because that's sort
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: of the, people do it with like the, almost philosophy
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: of life kind of thing. And mine became more of
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: like a happiness thing, which is sort of what we're
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: looking at with her by the end of it.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Because I think so much of our lives is about
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: other people.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: And like you see, this is like her sort of
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: going through a couple of relationships. But like in general,
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: I think we're supposed to tell ourselves like we can
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: be okay on our own. And by the end, she
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: is at least what we see of this story, unless
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: they're going to continue on somewhere down the line, but
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: it's all that we know is she's by herself by
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: the end. And I'm like, so much of what I've
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: in recent years, again, dealing with all the things I've
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: gone through lately, I've just been like, I think so
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: much of our life is that tree in the forest.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Like if someone else isn't there to be part of
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: your life, does it matter? You know, it's like, if
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: you're the only one witnessing whatever nonsense you do throughout
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: the day, like who cares? But if you got someone
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: there that you're sharing your life with, like, it makes
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: a difference. Like, I feel like that's the way we
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: achieve that level of happiness that you see on her
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: face when she's moving in. It's like having someone there
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: in her life is that level of happiness. And I
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: think by yourself, you can be content. You can find
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: a level of okay. But I don't know that you
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: ever reach that high of happiness that you do when
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: you're with someone. Now, you also don't hit the lows
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: of happiness. our relationship falling apart level. But I don't know, again,
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: that was, that was, again, so many things I've been
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: thrown into in the middle.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Of this movie.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Right. I mean, I, I, I feel that deeply. Those
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: are things that I have definitely sat with myself, those
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: types of questions. Yeah. Like what is life if it's
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: not witnessed by somebody else and is something I've spent
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of time thinking about. And I'm, I'm hoping that,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: the answer is we can find that happiness on our own.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: And I think that, cause like, yeah, like what you
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: said also, because the counter, like you can feel so
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: much joy in a relationship, but the pain of when
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: a relationship ends is also horrendous. And like, so being alone,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: you know, you avoid that, but then yeah, you don't
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: get the highs. But I think maybe it's like finding,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: being able to, it sounds so cheesy, but being able
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: to find as much happiness on your own so that
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: when you do find a partner, the fear of losing
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like you're going to die.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: I think that, again, you want to tell yourself that.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: I really don't know. Again, we're on that journey.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: If we're going to get very deep here, we're all
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: on that journey.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I question it sometimes.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we all have, but I think the pursuit
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: of the most healthy outlook is to try to find that.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: But I'm not saying I have fared it up. I
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: am just on the pursuit of it.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Still on the journey.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: That's what we do.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I guess again, there's plenty of individual moments
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: we could hit, but I think we've hit the bigger points,
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: which is sort of what this movie does as far
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: as I'm concerned.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: So I guess that's sort.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: Of if we're wrapping up on the overall movie, what
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: is your takeaway from it? Number one is a viewer,
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: but also, you know, being performance based yourself, like what
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: do you also take from it as an actor?
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Well, I think to answer the actor part, Renata Reinsman
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: is one of the first actresses and new actresses that
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I've come across. She's not obviously a new actress, but
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: new to me in the last few years that I've
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: just been so inspired by. And that is the type
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: of work and the type of career that I would
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: love to aspire to achieve and be a part of.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: So that, watching her, I'm like, yes, this is reminding
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: me of why I love acting and why I love
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: movies in watching her. So that has been so exciting
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: to feel that way about an actress again and projects.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Because I think for a little while there, I was...
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: I wasn't feeling that way. And I think I had
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: lost a bit of my spark in a lot of areas.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: And she's been this past year, one of the things
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: that have like reinvigorated some of my love for this again.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: So that, that would be my answer to that.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: And then, and I guess as a viewer, the overall
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: takeaway of like being overwhelmed by this movie is, Yeah.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: I just think I also related to the character and
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: like not every aspect, but like, I love in the
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: sense that like, we're also human and we make mistakes
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: and like what you have to see the ugliest parts
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: of ourself play out would probably be so uncomfortable. And
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: I loved that we got to see that for her
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: and how she's, she's so comfortable with those parts of herself,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: which I, I, it seems and the character and, I
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: am not when I think of my flaws, which I
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: have many, it makes me so uncomfortable and I shy
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: away from them. And I had before, and I don't know,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I think as a viewer watching someone shift through their
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: ugliest parts was really inspiring and really human. And I
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: loved that. And then, yeah, I guess, I guess, I
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: guess that like feeling like, that even though I only
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: just found out about the scene that I mentioned before,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: I got about the looking in the mirror. That is
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: what I felt. Like, I felt like I, this was
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: like her version of herself and like, and it was
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: probably extremely biased. Like I didn't take the film so
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: literal as in like, we're actually flies on the wall.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: It felt like as if she was narrating her, like
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: the voice, even the narration, like feels like it was like,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: it's supposed to be her. Yeah.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: After the fact removed somewhere.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Still sort of you know extremely biased and having a
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: bit of like a negative um lean to like you
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: know like lens even though it might not be true
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: like maybe that's not how other people would view her
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: or maybe it would be better maybe it would be worse.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: That's certainly how i narrate my life i realize the
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: type of person i am and the way that i
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: do things that doesn't make any sense and seems to
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: confuse and infuriate most people so i i i get
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: it like that's certainly how i would also narrate my.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Life right right well there you go yeah i just
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: loved it.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah she's she's amazing it is interesting if you believe
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: the story that like before he made this movie she
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: was to the point of kind of giving up on
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: acting and was going to be a carpenter I did
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: not hear that.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: Oh my.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: That's if, yeah, if, if these crazy stories online are true,
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: it said, yeah, she was, she was ready to give
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: up acting and pursue a career in carpentry because she
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: just renovated a home and fell in love with the
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: woodworking aspect of it. And she was gonna, you know,
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Harrison Ford this wife and just go be a carpenter.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: He'd worked with her before and had her in his
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: other movies and was like, no, I think you should,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: do more of this. And then I think as he
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: sat down to write this movie, he was like, and
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: I want you to be this character.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: So I think he sort of wrote it around the
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: idea of like, no, you need to act more because
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: you're amazing. And he's right. Watching this movie. He's right.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Like, yeah.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: And I'm so glad because now she's just, she's just
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: going to be here doing it. And I can't wait
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: to watch the rest of her films. Like I'm, she's
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: in a horror movie that I don't watch a lot
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: of horror because I'm, I get spooked. real quickly but
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: i gotta see back rooms because she's in that um
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: so you know just go with maybe one eye open
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: and you know a blankie yes she's sort of.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Top of her game coming off the oscars last year
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: and then back rooms will be interesting to see this
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: is because we're sort of living in this moment right
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: now it's it's possibly changing the industry at this point
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: like I.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Mean, it's a little bittersweet for me because I auditioned
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: for it and I didn't know what it was at
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: the time.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: I think most people didn't until it happened.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: You were either one of those kids that loved it
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: or you had no idea what it was.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, whoa. And the audition was very
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: tricky because there was just so much stuff going on.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: And now that I see what it is, I'm like, no.
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it'll be interesting because it is, you know,
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: talking about that next generation and I haven't given up
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: on the next generation. I don't get what they're doing because, again,
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: I come from such an old, different version of that.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: But I do feel like there's still all these super smart,
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: talented kids out there that are going to be taking
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: the reins as time goes on. And like you see this,
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: this director just came along and like people are blown
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: away by what has happened and also did it. kind
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: of out of nowhere, just out of YouTube and for
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: minimal money compared to what it's pulling in now. So I,
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: it'll be interesting to also see what the studios and
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: studio heads sort of take with this concept and where
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: it goes.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I think it's so cool. Yeah.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Well, do you have anything else that you want.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: To tell people about as far as stuff coming up?
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: Obviously turn it up is the one we, already addressed.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: But aside from that, is there other stuff you want
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: to point people towards?
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Well, to be honest, I'll mostly point towards Turn It
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Up because that's the most tangible thing that people could
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: potentially see. Whereas other things are so like in pre-production
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: or post-production that are not nowhere to be found yet.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: So it would feel... A little too early to say.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: But hopefully soon.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: In our distracting ourselves with technology, should they go find
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: you online somewhere?
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure. Find me on Instagram if you want. My
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: username is just my name, Justine Nelson.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: See some of those awesome photos.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some photos on there. And then there's pictures
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: of me. There's pictures of other people. Yeah. And that's
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: my only social media platform. Yeah.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: I think that's a lot at this point.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I have TikTok, but I don't post
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: on it. I scroll. I don't know what to do
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: with it.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: I feel like I keep waiting for a new version
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: to come along and be better than other things and
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: nothing has.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, God, no, we need to stop.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: We can't have more.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: But I don't like most of the ones that are
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: Instagram's the closest thing. And like, it's so hit and
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: miss and still not super interactive. So it's like, I
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: don't know. There's just not a good version, but you
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: still want to connect with people out there. So I
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: just want a.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Good fun version and not one that's horrifying.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Well, I hope you got that. Yeah.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Hopefully the world will come around. But either way,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: thank you for coming along on this crazy journey. And
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: it definitely has some very deep, bigger questions that you
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: got thrown into there with this movie. So thanks for
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: recommending it. It gave me an excuse to watch it
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad. I'm glad. It's been lovely chatting with you, Brian.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: Otherwise, yeah, I will get the word out and continue
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: letting people know about Turn It Up.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: And I think that's about it.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Sounds cool. Thank you so much. All right.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Otherwise, thank you for listening.
• 1:01:14
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• 1:01:17
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• 1:01:20
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• 1:01:22
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