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The Inside Line with Peter Bom: MotoGP Pit Talk · Pit Talk

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Speaker 1: Well, the Japanese Grand Prix are delivered on all fronts.
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Speaker 1: Mark Marquez sealed his ninth world title, Peger Banoya finally
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Speaker 1: remembered what the top step feels like, and Juan Mayn
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Speaker 1: Honda not only finished a race, but actually landed on
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Speaker 1: the podium. Yes, folks, miracles do happen in Moto GP.
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Speaker 1: Pit Talk is proudly sponsored by Shannon's Insurance. I'm your host,
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Speaker 1: Rinita Vanmulan. Alongside me is the statman, mister Matt Clayton.
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Speaker 1: But today we've got a very special guest. He's one
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Speaker 1: half of the Oxley Bomb Podcast, Championship winning data technician
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Speaker 1: and crew chief turned journalist Extraordinary. I hope I've given
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Speaker 1: you enough of an intro with that, Ladies and gentlemen,
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Speaker 1: Peter Bomb. Peter, welcome to the Fox Sports Pit Talk Podcast.
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Speaker 2: Well, thanks, Anita, you really made an there. I don't
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Speaker 2: know how to bag that out, but no, thanks, thanks,
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Speaker 2: happy to be here with you guys and Rinda.
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Speaker 3: I thought the funny part about your intro was when
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Speaker 3: you said Juan Mirron miracle. I thought you were going
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Speaker 3: with the pun headline there that he was actually on
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Speaker 3: the podium, So it was an unintentional comedy with the
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Speaker 3: Miracle Podium version one in Japan, But there you go.
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Speaker 3: I thought that was intentional, but maybe not.
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Speaker 1: Well oh well, I mean, look, I don't know about
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Speaker 1: you guys, but when I saw obviously marketing the Championship
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Speaker 1: Pecker out front, there was the smoke, there was the drama,
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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it's a Honda Andersjuan
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Speaker 1: Mere and he's on the podium. I was like, really,
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Speaker 1: what are we living in right now, because this is
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Speaker 1: not on my twenty twenty five bing go card at all.
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Speaker 1: And Matt, I know it wasn't on yours either.
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Speaker 3: No, definitely not. You know, it's it's been a long
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Speaker 3: time since someone's been on a podium where you're thumbing
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Speaker 3: through several pages going hang on, was it twenty twenty three? No,
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Speaker 3: it was tweet that was twenty one, and you're going
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Speaker 3: back so far to the Suzuki days at the end
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Speaker 3: of twenty twenty one. It really has been that long.
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Speaker 3: But one of those weird ones in that you would
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Speaker 3: have thought at the start of this season if he
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Speaker 3: was going to end up on a podium it was
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Speaker 3: because it rained or everyone crashed or had technicals or
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Speaker 3: what have you. But it was completely on merit and
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Speaker 3: looked pretty convincing to me. But I'm sure we'll get
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Speaker 3: onto that in the next thirty to forty five minutes
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Speaker 3: or so.
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Speaker 1: Definitely, I think obviously the major talking point Mark Marquez, like,
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Speaker 1: what can you say about it? Is one of the
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Speaker 1: best comebacks that we've seen in sport, Matt. We've spoken
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Speaker 1: about it on previous episodes. It's like comparing Michael Jordan
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Speaker 1: coming back and then the fact that we have two
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Speaker 1: brothers and the top one into in the championship. Compare
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Speaker 1: that to like Venus and Serena, Like, we're witnessing something
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Speaker 1: that we're probably only gonna witness once in our lifetime.
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Speaker 1: But that's the entertainment side of it. Put Away, Peter,
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Speaker 1: I want to hear from you something we've spoke about.
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Speaker 1: Matt wrote an article for Fox Sports about is this
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Speaker 1: his best championship that he's ever won? What's your thoughts
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Speaker 1: on this year? Is it Mark being on the best
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Speaker 1: bike or is it No, We're really witnessing greatness here.
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Speaker 2: The stars out aligned. It was bound to become a
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Speaker 2: championship and not as convincing as this one.
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Speaker 4: If it's his best year. Ah gee.
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Speaker 2: I was hugely, hugely impressed with Mark when he jumped
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Speaker 2: from the one to five on the Motor two and
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Speaker 2: only the second year that Motor two existed and should
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Speaker 2: have won the championship. It was Mark again, he being
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Speaker 2: his own biggest problem every now and then and showing
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Speaker 2: it away. I mean, lucky for me because my rider
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Speaker 2: we became world champion, but we have to be honest
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Speaker 2: that it was really because he went completely mental too
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Speaker 2: many times and then couldn't even see strade anymore and
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Speaker 2: decided okay, showing the towel for today. That was very impressive.
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Speaker 2: Next year, obviously he claimed the title like it was
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Speaker 2: a walkover. Then he goes to Motor gip immediately wins
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Speaker 2: the championship. Man, you were hard posh to choose whone
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Speaker 2: was more special. But the Mark for now is a
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Speaker 2: change character. He is a change wrider and that helped
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Speaker 2: him a lot, a lot. He needed to calm down
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Speaker 2: a little bit. He survived all his madness and then
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Speaker 2: being over thirty, riders changed. I used to say every
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Speaker 2: year after thirty that your competitive is a given year,
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Speaker 2: don't count on it. But nowadays riders some riders, especially
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Speaker 2: the intelligence riders, have a longer life span, long longer
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Speaker 2: window that they that they can be on top of
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Speaker 2: things because the game has become so complicated that you
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Speaker 2: can compensate more than before with your experience once you're
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Speaker 2: over thirty. So he's thirty two. He used to be
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Speaker 2: the youngest kid on the in the media center, in
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Speaker 2: the press room, but now he's usually the oldest guy
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Speaker 2: on the on the on the press conference. But this year,
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Speaker 2: I don't know about you, guys, I enjoyed it hugely,
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Speaker 2: although before the first race we were already not sure,
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Speaker 2: but pretty sure that championships is. It's just a matter
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Speaker 2: of how long it's going to take. But I enjoyed
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Speaker 2: it hugely. And you have to tell me if you
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Speaker 2: if it sounds familiar to you, But I love seeing
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Speaker 2: greatness in action. If there was another guy winning all
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Speaker 2: the races coming in. Every year we have a champion,
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Speaker 2: and not always they win as convincingly as this one,
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Speaker 2: but some of the years have been maybe in nomals wise,
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Speaker 2: it's easy or normal wise more interesting, but I found
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Speaker 2: this usually interesting to see somebody doing such clever intelligence
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Speaker 2: wise and also amazing things on a motorbike at the
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Speaker 2: right moment of the weekend, in the right session, through
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Speaker 2: the right either every everything was super high level. That's
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Speaker 2: what's this is so so interesting to watch. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: point wise, it was not. It was not a very
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Speaker 2: difficult to prediction from the World champing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you made an interesting point there, Peter, in that
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Speaker 3: you you mentioned, you know, watching greatness or watching perfection
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Speaker 3: is intoxicating to watch, but you combine that with a
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Speaker 3: nostalgic element too, and that's what's been them such the
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Speaker 3: interesting part about this and that you know, you mentioned
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Speaker 3: when he won that first verto GP World Championship, it's
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Speaker 3: twelve years ago. We've not seen a career like this,
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Speaker 3: and we probably didn't think we didn't think that we
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Speaker 3: were going to see a second act of this career
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Speaker 3: because of what had happened in twenty twenty and the
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Speaker 3: amount of time is between twenty and twenty and now
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Speaker 3: that this didn't seem possible. You're watching the perfection element.
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Speaker 3: You're watching a maybe a different rider with the same name,
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Speaker 3: and that he's achieving these championships but doing it maybe
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Speaker 3: differently to the way he did it in the past.
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Speaker 3: But there's also this nostalgic element about it in that
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Speaker 3: the three that I've likened it too in other sports,
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Speaker 3: I'm old enough and have another exports experience. I covered
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Speaker 3: the Michael Jordan years, so I saw the gap between
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Speaker 3: the two Jordan eras and how he was a different
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Speaker 3: basketball player with the same name and played the game very,
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Speaker 3: very differently in the second stint that he had. And
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Speaker 3: the other two ones for me Monica Sellis whose career
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Speaker 3: was obviously cut short because of a horrible act and
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Speaker 3: then came back in one Grand Slams as an older player,
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Speaker 3: and the other one is Tiger Woods because of just
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Speaker 3: the sheer gap between the big successes that he had,
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Speaker 3: and he had a few self inflicted wounds as well.
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Speaker 4: But you combine.
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Speaker 3: Greatness and nostalgia, it makes it pretty interesting. And your point, then,
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Speaker 3: if you know anyone else, if Pecko had a season
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Speaker 3: like this here Jojey Martin was fit enough to have
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Speaker 3: a season like this, If anyone had had a season
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Speaker 3: like this, I don't think we would be remembering Dominance
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Speaker 3: as fondly as this now. If he goes and does
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Speaker 3: this again in twenty twenty six, maybe we're not going
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Speaker 3: to be as enthusiastic about it because we've already seen that. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: but we've seen the fairy tale story before. We might
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Speaker 3: be having a very very different podcast chat any year
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Speaker 3: from now. But to my mind, because of what he'd
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Speaker 3: gone through to get back to the top, I think
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Speaker 3: that makes this one a little bit more special. Not
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Speaker 3: difficult because he was in control the whole way through,
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Speaker 3: but the fact that he's now the second oldest rider
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Speaker 3: on the grid and he was able to come back
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Speaker 3: and do this, I think this is what makes this one.
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Speaker 3: We'll look back at it and go, wow, that really
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Speaker 3: was something pretty special. Irrespective of the fact that he
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Speaker 3: was clear on the you know, he was the best
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Speaker 3: rider on the best bike at the time.
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Speaker 2: Even the best bike well maybe Notti, I mean, don't
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Speaker 2: even think. Yeah, definitely not the best bike on the
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Speaker 2: two riders on the twenty twenty five Cutties. That's pretty still.
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Speaker 2: I have to talk about back at some point in
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Speaker 2: this podcast.
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Speaker 4: You want to do a now a lot, Yeah, let's
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Speaker 4: do it.
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Speaker 1: Just go with what Okay, first of all, what happened
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Speaker 1: this weekend? How did he all of a sudden just
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Speaker 1: revert to this old pecker? What did they change? And
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Speaker 1: then also explain the smoke and everything that was happening
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Speaker 1: to during the race.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's that's the other.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there was so many storylines in last weekend,
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Speaker 2: in last sum you can't make that up, you know,
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Speaker 2: Like we said that, there's yeah, every almost every ride
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Speaker 2: everything that there's something special there. Let's first get back. Obviously,
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Speaker 2: you guys are so read. Everybody wanted to know what
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Speaker 2: changed on Peckers back. We don't know, so I'm not
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Speaker 2: claiming that I know, but all I can say it's
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Speaker 2: either illegal or it's really really late, And obviously I
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Speaker 2: go for the last thing. It is really fucking late.
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Speaker 2: You can't do that. Oh this brings me. It must
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Speaker 2: be legal. It must be legal. It's probably the whole
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four bike, which they were telling us all
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Speaker 2: the time it's not possible. So when they say it
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Speaker 2: was not possible, we, like some of the insiders concluded
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Speaker 2: that the twenty twenty five engine has probably different engine
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Speaker 2: mounts than doesn't fit in the frame. But you have
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Speaker 2: your engine homologated, not your Sashi, and you're dead. But
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Speaker 2: maybe it wasn't like that. The thing that makes me
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Speaker 2: think it is probably complete twenty twenty four, or it
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Speaker 2: has the main thing that made it twenty twenty four
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Speaker 2: different from twenty twenty five, which is the whole right
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Speaker 2: high device construction.
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Speaker 4: What makes it plausible is.
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Speaker 2: That Gigidlingya rules to Cuttikosa in a near perfect way.
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Speaker 2: But it also means he has to be very very straight,
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Speaker 2: black and white and probably even rootless withits his riders.
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Speaker 4: Every now and then you can't ninety percent of the riders.
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Speaker 2: You can't follow them all the time in their wishes,
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Speaker 2: their commands, their feelings. I missed that feedback. You can't
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Speaker 2: do that all the time. We are in an area
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Speaker 2: where computers say no on motorgip. Unfortunately, it's it's getting there.
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Speaker 2: So if they did all the mouths and all the
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Speaker 2: calculations and the twenty twenty five, in all all the
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Speaker 2: simulations they were running, is better on every seventy twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty four. Then if you're at Yamaha or in Aprelia
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Speaker 2: and you don't like it, you go back. But when
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Speaker 2: you're in Gigi's team, when you're in Dukati, which has
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Speaker 2: a lot of response, I mean, the whole weight of
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Speaker 2: Italy is on the shoulders of Gigi basically so if
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Speaker 2: something you and also it brought him where he is
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Speaker 2: by being really firm every now and then. There is
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Speaker 2: a similarity with Lorenzo when he.
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Speaker 4: Was a Ducati.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's an interesting story, and it took way too
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Speaker 2: long and finally clicked, and apparently it was like the
10:35
Speaker 2: support from the fuel tank, which in a way horror.
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Speaker 2: Lorenzo started to introduce them because, let's be honest, wasn't fit.
10:42
Speaker 2: He hated training. He wasn't yes, and the forces you
10:45
Speaker 2: got on these bikes nowadays are huge, so you need
10:47
Speaker 2: to train. Has it didn't train, so he wanted more
10:51
Speaker 2: support from the fuel tank to not get you know,
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Speaker 2: pushed over the deshbots of his bike when he was
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Speaker 2: breaking and by finding the right playing a lot with
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Speaker 2: trying to find the bike the best position on the bike.
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Speaker 2: He didn't gain a lot initially, but in the end
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Speaker 2: when everything clicked, he claimed it was that and Chig
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Speaker 2: hated it. You cannot pitch Gig more often saying that
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Speaker 2: was the sea support from the Dugatti that brought horror.
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Speaker 2: I mean there was a lot of stretching in Dugatti
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Speaker 2: at that time. Chiji brought Lorenzo and they never had
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Speaker 2: it ride as expensive as horror. Lorenzo it was a big,
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Speaker 2: big risk, and he didn't perform, so that there was pressure, there,
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Speaker 2: a lot of pressure. He started to perform just one
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Speaker 2: two weeks too late, and then the damage was already
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Speaker 2: done because like the famous Ben Bostrom told me once
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Speaker 2: when I was one year with him and he was
11:34
Speaker 2: effectively cutted to gut the superbike ride, he said, well,
11:37
Speaker 2: when you disappoint them, you really disappoint them. Italian team
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Speaker 2: Dugutti there is no hanging around. So so it has
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Speaker 2: some similarities with the situation that Lorenzo. It also didn't
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Speaker 2: got for quite some time. What do you wanted? Because
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Speaker 2: Chigi or his team of engineers believe that's not the
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Speaker 2: way to go.
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Speaker 4: All the other Dugatti don't have that.
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Speaker 2: You don't you want something that's out of the cu oppilations,
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Speaker 2: out of the norm too far, we don't get that,
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Speaker 2: And I think it's something like that that must have
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Speaker 2: happened here because he's most angry as well.
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Speaker 4: Back away he didn't well.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was interesting when he said after the race,
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Speaker 3: I'm happy and I'm angry, and you could see that
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Speaker 3: coming through. But Peter pick up on something you just
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Speaker 3: said then that you said that it's late. That was
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Speaker 3: the word that came out there. So is this because
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Speaker 3: there's some sort of tugger war with Pecko saying I
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Speaker 3: need this and do catty because of Gigi are just
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Speaker 3: being stubborn and saying, no, you've got this. You know,
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Speaker 3: computer says it's better, all the testing says it's better.
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Speaker 3: And so has it come to a point where Pecko's
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Speaker 3: almost broken them down and they've relented to what it
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Speaker 3: is that he wants. Or is there a psychological element
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Speaker 3: to this because Pecko, you know, we've described Peko as
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Speaker 3: a precision instrument on this podcast before. When Pecko has
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Speaker 3: things exactly the way he wants them, he can ride
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Speaker 3: races like he did last weekend at Motegi. It's round seventeen.
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Speaker 3: It's taken us so long to get to this point.
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Speaker 3: So is this Gigi relenting and giving Pecko what he
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Speaker 3: wants or or they just thrown their hands in the
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Speaker 3: air and said, we can't change any more things on
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Speaker 3: this now. We're just going to give you something that
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Speaker 3: you're comfortable with to see if that makes the difference.
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Speaker 3: So this to become a is it a psychological issue
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Speaker 3: for Bagna or is it a physical issue with the
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Speaker 3: bike that he's riding, Because that's a different answer for
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Speaker 3: every rider. I wonder if it's more in Peco's head
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Speaker 3: than anything else.
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Speaker 2: No, it's not more in his head. You can't make
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Speaker 2: that step in your hat. So whether what did push
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Speaker 2: Jiji to finally give backo something that.
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Speaker 4: Was bah what?
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Speaker 2: I really think he is more or less on the
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four bike now it must be legal in
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Speaker 2: any way. So technicians, especially of his level and his ego,
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Speaker 2: don't like to go back to all the things. They
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Speaker 2: make a new bike that's better, so we forget about
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Speaker 2: the old bike. And it happens before many many times
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Speaker 2: that the new bike wasn't better. But usually that's not
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Speaker 2: a drama. In the really old years, especially Honda, I
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Speaker 2: had a tendency to do that. Honda loved to make
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Speaker 2: a new bike every complete year because it was like we,
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Speaker 2: even if the bike was already winning everything, we need
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Speaker 2: to make a new bike every year to train our
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Speaker 2: engineers to keep a sharp So it has happened a
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Speaker 2: couple of times, especially in home does case in the
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Speaker 2: five hundred Shega times that he needed to go back
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Speaker 2: to the literally the museum or the entrance from from
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Speaker 2: the headquarters, to go back to the last year's back
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Speaker 2: and finally start winning again because the new bike was
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Speaker 2: totally crapped. Now, if you're on another, if you're on
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Speaker 2: Yamaha and Aelia as an example of KTM, and something
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Speaker 2: doesn't work, you go immediately back. It's not even a
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Speaker 2: five minute discussion with Chichi came pretty far by believing
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Speaker 2: his numbers and his calculations and any similar. He got
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Speaker 2: pretty pretty fucking far with that. Now, it's the only
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Speaker 2: I think twenty twenty three was not better than in
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, because twenty five is not better than
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. So you don't want to you don't
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Speaker 2: want to go back. You don't want to do that
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Speaker 2: because it really is. It hurts because everybody he knows
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Speaker 2: except you and me at the moment, we will all
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Speaker 2: hear it at some point. But that that's that that
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Speaker 2: must have heard for Gigi to go back to something
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Speaker 2: that that was and then yeah, Pecko, immediately, I mean everything,
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Speaker 2: the pole position, to sprint the whole race, there is
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Speaker 2: a little you have to stop. I'm not I don't
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Speaker 2: know the English word. I'm I'm not too over Antisa
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Speaker 2: yet that he is completely back and maybe even can
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Speaker 2: challenge Mirke because this is.
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Speaker 4: A very very special track.
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Speaker 2: On this track, everything worked and it's only competitive or
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Speaker 2: only two competitors. Mark was just having one thing on
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Speaker 2: his mind, getting the championship done and dusted, and Alex
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Speaker 2: was having a complete off weekend.
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Speaker 4: Because this track is special.
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Speaker 2: So what works on this track is not automatically work
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Speaker 2: on your track, for example, total opposite, total opposite. But
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Speaker 2: somehow it's too convincing, it's too much of a different
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Speaker 2: Pecko is back, but where he is back, I mean
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Speaker 2: the beginning of the year he was finishing third, third, third,
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Speaker 2: maybe one second, third, third, fifth, that was it, and
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Speaker 2: then he started to really follow the cliff. Whether he's
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Speaker 2: back to third or even can be second and maybe
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Speaker 2: close to Mark. I'm keen to wait for the next
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Speaker 2: week to see what was coming up.
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Speaker 1: You said that the track was special, and then that
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Speaker 1: makes me think, you know, we saw the hondas strong here.
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Speaker 1: We know it's the Honda test track. Is that why
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Speaker 1: Juan does this circuit just seem to suit him in
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Speaker 1: his riding style.
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Speaker 4: Yes, but there will be too much. That will be
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Speaker 4: too easy to say that.
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Speaker 2: You have to put praise on Hondaw a little bit
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Speaker 2: more and on Joah Mehd too. I mean, I have
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Speaker 2: to be careful to choose my words here because I
16:35
Speaker 2: was going to say I don't rate Mayor a lot.
16:37
Speaker 2: That's that's pretty hard from because honestly, in a way
16:41
Speaker 2: he's far from a complete rider. But what is good
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Speaker 2: from Joe a mehre and that's why he That's why
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Speaker 2: Honda at the moment has a super team on the
16:49
Speaker 2: Repsos side. Even if they don't win any championship, they
16:51
Speaker 2: got a guy you can develop a bike with. I
16:54
Speaker 2: love listening to lu Combrini even when he finished twenty,
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Speaker 2: sometimes even more when he finished twenty. You get the
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Speaker 2: whole depri if you get the Youngervaralentine or Roshi unbelievable
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Speaker 2: clear explaining how everything.
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Speaker 4: Worked, what did you do?
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Speaker 2: And then you got Joe on Mehroud basically has no idea,
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Speaker 2: I think, but when you put something under his ass
17:09
Speaker 2: that works, he will open the total. He will, no doubt.
17:12
Speaker 2: So Honda arrived with the base setting that was immediately there.
17:15
Speaker 2: From Friday morning on, they were there moteg is very
17:18
Speaker 2: specially if you're on Friday morning not there, there is
17:21
Speaker 2: seventy percent you're not going to be there all weekend.
17:23
Speaker 2: You don't make that up over night. It's such a
17:25
Speaker 2: special track. So the Hondow came with a good base setting.
17:29
Speaker 2: That says something about the home that there were three
17:31
Speaker 2: Homedows in the top ten inchally as Harko was going
17:33
Speaker 2: for the good result as well, Marini had some troubles
17:36
Speaker 2: had to come in. But already, I mean stuff happened
17:38
Speaker 2: at the start always in motaken that had an influence.
17:41
Speaker 2: But the Hondos are there, they are there, are there
17:43
Speaker 2: on this kind of track. But it also means that
17:46
Speaker 2: the Home does still has a lot of the old
17:48
Speaker 2: DNA in it, meaning it's very nimble. You can flick
17:51
Speaker 2: it really late completely on its side and do a
17:54
Speaker 2: lot of turning on low speed, but fast corners, long
17:57
Speaker 2: heart acceleration with banking not so sure that they still
18:00
Speaker 2: have like a relatively old school motorbike. When like when
18:04
Speaker 2: Mark Arquez was was riding the HOMEBA, it was a
18:06
Speaker 2: complete different end was like a fast motor two super
18:08
Speaker 2: fast more the two with a turbo on it and
18:11
Speaker 2: motajped bikes now are boring. Let's be honest. The way
18:13
Speaker 2: that Mark what Mark did was last year I learned
18:16
Speaker 2: to ride an unnatural motorbike, learned to ride a half
18:19
Speaker 2: form of one car with two.
18:20
Speaker 4: Wheels because it looks boring.
18:21
Speaker 2: Every time he lost his temple last year and tried
18:24
Speaker 2: to push again, he was either slow or crashing or bolts.
18:27
Speaker 2: So we really learned to ride a Dukatti who says
18:30
Speaker 2: two wheels on the ground, no spectacular, mostly in line,
18:33
Speaker 2: not spectacular at all, but that's the way to go
18:35
Speaker 2: fast at the Gatti on his age. Learning to ride
18:37
Speaker 2: a complete new motorbike is already something John hasn't hasn't
18:42
Speaker 2: done that yet. He's still on a bike that is
18:45
Speaker 2: like like a KTM a little bit.
18:47
Speaker 4: I love them.
18:48
Speaker 2: I love to see a KTM at Honda being fast
18:50
Speaker 2: because you see somebody fast. I actually I was watching
18:53
Speaker 2: the race alone, but if I wasn't alone, I would
18:55
Speaker 2: have bet with the other guy in the room. Mirror
18:58
Speaker 2: is not going to finish the race because the first
19:00
Speaker 2: four or five laps, every lap two times he was
19:02
Speaker 2: out of the sheet harv or out of line.
19:04
Speaker 4: But that's the way to be fast.
19:05
Speaker 2: To be to Honda. I love it, but unfortunately it's
19:07
Speaker 2: a desided dinosaurs from what you at the moment.
19:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, every time he every time he came down
19:13
Speaker 3: the end of the back straight there intoternal avenue, just
19:15
Speaker 3: go you sort of stand back from the screen a
19:17
Speaker 3: little bit. It's like, oh boy, he's definitely coming off there.
19:19
Speaker 3: But that point that you mentioned before was so interesting
19:22
Speaker 3: in that they have almost sort of inadvertently stumbled across
19:25
Speaker 3: a really good lineup for where Honda sits in the
19:28
Speaker 3: pecking order at the moment, because Marini will explain why
19:31
Speaker 3: things do and don't work, and Mia is going to
19:34
Speaker 3: try harder than just about anybody else. So you're going
19:36
Speaker 3: to find the limits of what it is that Lucas
19:38
Speaker 3: says does and doesn't work, because Mea is either going
19:41
Speaker 3: to finish on a podium occasionally or he's going to
19:43
Speaker 3: crash a lot, and that tends to be the way
19:45
Speaker 3: those two riders roll. But Peter, the interesting thing for
19:47
Speaker 3: me is that if Honda, we used to talk about
19:51
Speaker 3: Honda and Yamaha sort of being on the same plane
19:53
Speaker 3: and that they were down the back. It was the
19:54
Speaker 3: Japanese Cup and that sort of stuff. Honda has kicked
19:57
Speaker 3: clear this year of Yamaha, and we'll probably get into
19:59
Speaker 3: Yama a bit later on, but it's getting to the point.
20:02
Speaker 3: It's getting to the point now where Honda, if Honda's
20:05
Speaker 3: going to take that next step, you would suggest there's
20:08
Speaker 3: going to have to be another rider other than Marini
20:11
Speaker 3: or Mia to help them take the next step, because
20:13
Speaker 3: they don't have that a lister. And that's where you
20:16
Speaker 3: wonder who's going to shake who's going to shake free
20:19
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty seven, and who's going to take an
20:23
Speaker 3: educated gamble to try and be at that place as
20:26
Speaker 3: it rises up at the right time to take the
20:28
Speaker 3: benefit of what these two guys bring. It's a really
20:30
Speaker 3: interesting little subplot for next year.
20:32
Speaker 2: I think, just speaking about all the rooms for next year,
20:36
Speaker 2: where's the monitor right that they're going to get on
20:37
Speaker 2: their back. They have the perfect riders for where they
20:41
Speaker 2: are now, but not to become world champion. Yeah, correct,
20:44
Speaker 2: we need a little more aliens because if you don't
20:46
Speaker 2: have enough to get any manufacturer at least one, yes
20:50
Speaker 2: are It's an interesting situation. But cerdainly, I Meanzeki doesn't
20:54
Speaker 2: suddenly turn an alien. Horra Matin was never an alien,
20:57
Speaker 2: but I rated him higher. But I'm drifting away for
21:00
Speaker 2: and what I want to say, Yama has Harvey Quadrado.
21:02
Speaker 2: That is for me, it's a full full alien on
21:05
Speaker 2: the sort of let go because they are too deep
21:07
Speaker 2: in the ship to to even can use an alien.
21:09
Speaker 2: They would only demoralize him. But they're looking now on
21:12
Speaker 2: the on the on the Motor two and on other
21:14
Speaker 2: especially Motor two guys. And you look for a guy
21:16
Speaker 2: that shows enough of the signs from being special that
21:20
Speaker 2: not necessarily the guy that wins everything in a row.
21:23
Speaker 2: I mean, would be quite handy if your Muto two winner,
21:25
Speaker 2: But it depends on more things in your character and
21:29
Speaker 2: and your family, your friends, your background, especially how you
21:33
Speaker 2: came here and how you work with your crew the way.
21:36
Speaker 2: I had an interview with Akiio when Sapang earlier this
21:38
Speaker 2: year about the steps from Motor three, from European Championship
21:42
Speaker 2: to Motor three to Multitude to moltigip what you look for,
21:44
Speaker 2: because you know you have to speak to Akiyo. He
21:46
Speaker 2: knows everything, and he said, we we look, we look obviously,
21:51
Speaker 2: we look at the results. You've got to be a
21:52
Speaker 2: bit special for your age. Already very young. But then
21:55
Speaker 2: we start to look at everything around it, he said, honestly, Peter,
21:59
Speaker 2: but we paid it of aa costa. We barely speak
22:03
Speaker 2: about the bike. He does a couple of many bit
22:04
Speaker 2: poult travata, and then the other guy's about the bikes.
22:07
Speaker 2: But we have more work at the moment to pay
22:08
Speaker 2: the costa. Keeping his head straight, keeping him normal, keeping
22:11
Speaker 2: his feet on the ground. You're protecting him from all
22:14
Speaker 2: weird influences from managers and shit and journalists and people
22:17
Speaker 2: that tell him is the best you know, if you're
22:19
Speaker 2: that young, if you're seventeen, eighteen ninety years and everybody
22:22
Speaker 2: has already told you for five years, you're the best
22:24
Speaker 2: thing since Mark mcas you're a new Mark Marquest. At
22:27
Speaker 2: some point you believe it. You can't even blame them.
22:29
Speaker 2: So if you come in the box, you look on
22:31
Speaker 2: the TV screen j on screen number two, then for
22:33
Speaker 2: sure something's wrong with the bike, because I'm the next
22:35
Speaker 2: marquess and that stops your development. You have to have
22:39
Speaker 2: your feed on the ground and say no, no, no, that
22:41
Speaker 2: wasn't really that great.
22:41
Speaker 4: The way paid, of course, has started the year.
22:44
Speaker 2: For sure, Okay had spent some time, needed to spend
22:47
Speaker 2: some time with him and bring him down on the ground.
22:48
Speaker 2: Come on, that's not enough. This Acosta was good this week.
22:52
Speaker 2: Is definitely put his ship together again and riding the
22:54
Speaker 2: wheels of the thing. That's not competitivele enough, But anyway,
22:57
Speaker 2: I give it everything. So I want every many factor
23:00
Speaker 2: have an alien. But we're running out of aliens.
23:03
Speaker 3: We need more aliens. Ronda, I know you've got something
23:06
Speaker 3: cueued up here. I want to just say stay on
23:07
Speaker 3: one point here, Peter, you mentioned Quasarro before. He, to
23:11
Speaker 3: my mind, is the second best rider in motor GP
23:14
Speaker 3: if you were to line them all up and pick
23:15
Speaker 3: them like picking football teams in the school yard. I guess.
23:19
Speaker 3: So we discussed before about Honda having kick clear of Yamaha.
23:23
Speaker 3: Kuatatero is right now Yamaha's biggest asset. It's the greatest
23:27
Speaker 3: asset that manufacturer has. Where are Yamaha falling behind? What
23:32
Speaker 3: do they need to do? Because there is a ticking
23:34
Speaker 3: clock here with quashurero in that if he doesn't see
23:37
Speaker 3: a level of development and progress that he thinks is acceptable,
23:41
Speaker 3: then Yamaha run the risk of seeing their greatest asset leave.
23:45
Speaker 3: What do Yamaha need to do to get back into
23:48
Speaker 3: this and there's no magic bullets in motor GP. But
23:50
Speaker 3: is the V four something close to being what he
23:54
Speaker 3: needs to see to actually commit to them longer term.
23:56
Speaker 2: It's pardof development. There's not enough they need to pick
23:59
Speaker 2: up the speed. It takes them too long. The V
24:02
Speaker 2: four looks beautiful and it looks very, very promising, but
24:06
Speaker 2: it's too late. The bike that arrived shield of arrived
24:09
Speaker 2: months ago already with that pace and then improving it
24:12
Speaker 2: takes them all the time. Everything takes them too long
24:15
Speaker 2: in Yamaha, which is a surprise because Yama is a
24:18
Speaker 2: manufacturer in my eyes that historically already was working a lot,
24:23
Speaker 2: a lot, a lot really together with the Europeans, instead
24:27
Speaker 2: of we do everything in Japan, send it europe has
24:29
Speaker 2: to be good.
24:30
Speaker 4: If it's not good, send it back.
24:31
Speaker 2: We make something better to work a lot with European engineers,
24:34
Speaker 2: technicians and workshops and stuff. But somehow it you know,
24:39
Speaker 2: you know, the Japanese culture probably better than me. But
24:42
Speaker 2: they like check cross check check again because you're always
24:44
Speaker 2: very fucking responsible for something on the line went wrong
24:47
Speaker 2: and you signed it, so you take your time to
24:49
Speaker 2: sign and this delays everything. Gig flies home and has
24:52
Speaker 2: an id. The next morning, the three D printer is rolling.
24:55
Speaker 2: The day after that, piro Vision Magello riding around think
24:58
Speaker 2: about Honga. I spoke to Alex Bomgarten from Colix when
25:01
Speaker 2: he was working for Hondo when he designed the sashis before.
25:04
Speaker 2: He's very very uh discrete, so he didn't say any sicket,
25:09
Speaker 2: but he told me without telling it me, he told
25:11
Speaker 2: me how long the process was. So he has all
25:15
Speaker 2: the dimensions, makes the sashi, then has to send it
25:19
Speaker 2: to Japan. There it has to go to two three departments,
25:22
Speaker 2: then it comes back to Europe to be tested. That's
25:24
Speaker 2: already Sashi in number five for every Hony manufacturer, So
25:27
Speaker 2: Honda was always in delay at that time. The Honda
25:30
Speaker 2: got that ship together by buying a European manager and
25:32
Speaker 2: giving him enough freedom from Auprelia to work in the
25:36
Speaker 2: in the European way. That's what they did. That makes
25:39
Speaker 2: the difference in Honda and Yama.
25:41
Speaker 4: They have also, I.
25:42
Speaker 2: Mean they bought Gigi's brother more or less young brothers as.
25:45
Speaker 4: Well, so that's cool.
25:47
Speaker 2: But somehow in the whole culture this this Max Bottolini
25:52
Speaker 2: probably doesn't have enough freedom to really forge things to speed.
25:57
Speaker 1: Up.
25:58
Speaker 2: When Jiji first was asked for CUTI, he didn't got
26:01
Speaker 2: the free hand completely as you wanted it, so he
26:02
Speaker 2: stayed in Noala, and then they come back for him again.
26:06
Speaker 2: He said, but you can only do that job properly
26:10
Speaker 2: if you got a complete free hand.
26:11
Speaker 4: There will always be some director.
26:13
Speaker 2: From some department that's very fucking important and interesting and
26:16
Speaker 2: makes it and makes your decision. Stop has to check
26:19
Speaker 2: it as well first, and then you're gone. You know,
26:21
Speaker 2: racing is a very fast moving it's not about being
26:24
Speaker 2: so much smarter than the other by keeping a little
26:26
Speaker 2: adventage all the time over the competition. That's only done
26:29
Speaker 2: by quick decisions, hardworking quick decisions, especially quicker reactions to
26:34
Speaker 2: what happens. Him at the CUTI is the master, you
26:36
Speaker 2: tell him it, but purely also approved this year by
26:40
Speaker 2: by improving so much during the season that they understand
26:42
Speaker 2: that as well. KTM is all sorts of other troubles
26:47
Speaker 2: and Yama for me, if you come back to Yama
26:49
Speaker 2: for me, it all takes just too long. They kept
26:51
Speaker 2: on working on the inline for it. They made thousand engines,
26:54
Speaker 2: one hundred exhaust and it was always worse, and finally
26:58
Speaker 2: they found an inline for it was just a little
27:01
Speaker 2: bit more faster and then didn't destroy the whole riding
27:06
Speaker 2: capacities of the Yama for the first time only the
27:08
Speaker 2: last engine was not destroying the Sashi. Well, that's a
27:12
Speaker 2: very worrying thing. That took them way too much. But
27:15
Speaker 2: from what you can see from the outside, the V
27:17
Speaker 2: four look beautiful and the riders that we were allowed
27:21
Speaker 2: to speak to were all like what you expect them
27:25
Speaker 2: to say, you know, I expect the jack to say.
27:27
Speaker 4: The jacks professional, he knew what to say.
27:29
Speaker 2: Fabio Cottrado is also professional, but he has a different agenda.
27:32
Speaker 2: He's not injectious. He is in a different party in
27:34
Speaker 2: his career. He is still I think Fabi is till
27:36
Speaker 2: twenty six somethings, really really young. Yeah, so he just
27:40
Speaker 2: says it's crap, it's ship, it's crap, it's nothing.
27:43
Speaker 4: You know.
27:44
Speaker 2: He doesn't even want to say anything good about the bike,
27:47
Speaker 2: but that's his agenda. He's putting pressure on Yama. It's
27:50
Speaker 2: not a negative guy. He doesn't have a negative outlook
27:53
Speaker 2: on life. Fabia Coatrado. He just tries everything he can
27:57
Speaker 2: to force Yama to speed up the development. These guys,
28:01
Speaker 2: they know a lot more than they can tell us.
28:02
Speaker 2: They and they all speak with each other as well.
28:05
Speaker 2: Factors can be neighbors. You know, they go cycling every
28:07
Speaker 2: day in under each other. Yeah, there is a lot
28:11
Speaker 2: more information flowing going on on that level than we
28:14
Speaker 2: think it is. Especially after that I either realized it's
28:16
Speaker 2: probably a next year in this team or for sure
28:19
Speaker 2: I'm next year in that other team. Then you know,
28:22
Speaker 2: there's a lot that is very little secrets. There's only
28:24
Speaker 2: us that are the latest people to hear something, and
28:28
Speaker 2: then because we love it so much. But that is
28:31
Speaker 2: a whole different amount of layers of what really is
28:34
Speaker 2: happening in MONTI tip was a long answer. I promise
28:38
Speaker 2: you to be sure, sorry to cut me short.
28:41
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I loved it.
28:42
Speaker 2: I loved it.
28:43
Speaker 1: You mentioned Jack there, and that was my next thought
28:45
Speaker 1: that I wanted to ask you because I know you
28:47
Speaker 1: and Matt spoke to Jack recently. We heard that interview
28:50
Speaker 1: come out on your podcast. We only see what we
28:53
Speaker 1: see on the TV. And I spent a little bit
28:55
Speaker 1: of time with Jack and I think it was in
28:56
Speaker 1: Aragon earlier this year, but I don't know the ins
28:59
Speaker 1: and outs. I was just seeing Jack as the person.
29:02
Speaker 1: In your opinion, is he doing enough to be helping
29:06
Speaker 1: that the Yamaha and grow and get the results, because
29:11
Speaker 1: you know, we saw obviously the chain incident on the weekend,
29:14
Speaker 1: we've seen Jack go from reasonably good results and then
29:18
Speaker 1: other weekends. Is ship to say it nicely, what's your
29:22
Speaker 1: thoughts on Jack this.
29:22
Speaker 2: Year, Yamma, I should hold of Jack because his feedback
29:26
Speaker 2: is gold. He's an old school writer that knows way
29:28
Speaker 2: too much about the motorbike, which usually is a problem.
29:30
Speaker 2: And there is no way too much. It usually is
29:33
Speaker 2: a problem because then they once you understand a couple
29:36
Speaker 2: of things, you conclude other things and then cuddainly' you've
29:39
Speaker 2: become a Sashi engineer. You know. No, no, no, I don't
29:41
Speaker 2: want to pivot there. I want to pivot here, I
29:43
Speaker 2: want to swing. I'm like this, I want central graffty there.
29:46
Speaker 2: Otherwise doesn't that that's that's that's Jack knows a lot,
29:49
Speaker 2: But at the same time he says, I leave it
29:51
Speaker 2: to the engineers to do something with it. I just
29:53
Speaker 2: tell how it feels to me and what I would
29:55
Speaker 2: have done to other bikes or what I've done in
29:57
Speaker 2: the past with other bikes. That helped me a lot
29:59
Speaker 2: and then leave it to you guys. He is very
30:02
Speaker 2: very sensitive, so at the moment is very important for
30:05
Speaker 2: the Yama project in my eyes.
30:08
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's it.
30:10
Speaker 2: At the moment is I don't even understand why it
30:13
Speaker 2: took them so long to the side, and that's probably
30:15
Speaker 2: proof of that everything takes the long on Yama. It's
30:18
Speaker 2: no brain to hire check. It's also no brain to
30:22
Speaker 2: to start making Vivo very fucking quickly.
30:24
Speaker 4: But they didn't.
30:25
Speaker 2: The bike wasn't The bike looks beautiful from the outside,
30:28
Speaker 2: but I was close to one of the bikes actually
30:31
Speaker 2: to Jacks, the bike that was waiting in Jeck side
30:33
Speaker 2: of the garage in Misiano on Monday, there was not
30:36
Speaker 2: a finished bike that that was not a finished bike.
30:40
Speaker 4: It wasn't It wasn't bad.
30:42
Speaker 2: But Yama usually when they bring a new bike, it's
30:46
Speaker 2: more refined, more details are already sort in a beautiful,
30:49
Speaker 2: nice way like you can like you can push the
30:51
Speaker 2: button and you make ten thousands of them to sell
30:53
Speaker 2: them in Asia. That's normally prototype from Yama or Honda.
30:57
Speaker 2: Not this one, not this one. To work a lot
31:00
Speaker 2: on it, very very hard. It was still in the
31:02
Speaker 2: stadium like, you shouldn't bring it to a test, you
31:05
Speaker 2: should bring it still to you bring it with a
31:08
Speaker 2: private test, and then right around with it. I think
31:11
Speaker 2: they only brought it to you go back to the
31:13
Speaker 2: to the to what you said. They what they're going
31:16
Speaker 2: to do to keep Fabio Quadrao interested. So make sure
31:20
Speaker 2: we have a couple of fee for us righting around
31:21
Speaker 2: with it. Obviously you're going to tell the pressure you
31:23
Speaker 2: hate it because you wanted to go faster. But anyway,
31:25
Speaker 2: you have a taste of it, and the bike was
31:27
Speaker 2: at least not slower than the in line, for which
31:30
Speaker 2: is a good thing. It's not easy to be faster
31:32
Speaker 2: than fully. I mean, the development cycle of the N
31:36
Speaker 2: one is thousand years. It was very also very interesting
31:40
Speaker 2: to hear him talk about in when we had the
31:42
Speaker 2: injury with him. He said, it's immediately a nice, friendly bike.
31:46
Speaker 2: You can sort of immediately smell and feel okay, there
31:49
Speaker 2: is there is a lot of years of development in
31:52
Speaker 2: this bike. Everything fits, everything is nice, everything works. But
31:55
Speaker 2: it's also probably an end on the end, because bikes
31:57
Speaker 2: on the end of there of the.
32:00
Speaker 4: Life cycle are usually beautiful. I never buy a new
32:03
Speaker 4: motorbike because it always is full of bucks.
32:05
Speaker 2: But by the time they stopped that model, it's the
32:07
Speaker 2: best moment to buy it.
32:08
Speaker 4: So jejection on the bike.
32:10
Speaker 2: There is the end of the of the life from
32:12
Speaker 2: the M one in line and it's a beautiful, beautiful bike,
32:15
Speaker 2: but it's it's a dinosaur as well. Multiv bikes shouldn't
32:19
Speaker 2: be look like that and shouldn't be ridden like that.
32:21
Speaker 2: We need other bikes because tires dictate the development, and
32:25
Speaker 2: tires are so different, but they're already very different for many,
32:28
Speaker 2: many years, and yama didn't pick that up well enough,
32:32
Speaker 2: It's gone.
32:33
Speaker 1: Sorry, Matt, I just was thinking then always even though
32:36
Speaker 1: Fabruary is only ever ridden Yamaheimoto GP. We saw Mark
32:40
Speaker 1: go from obviously Honda, did you Caddy, how difficult is
32:43
Speaker 1: it for him to then go from the in line
32:45
Speaker 1: to the V for Is he going to have to
32:47
Speaker 1: change like his riding style or is it because he
32:49
Speaker 1: is the alien like you guys are saying, it's going
32:51
Speaker 1: to be simpler for him, and it's the bike that
32:53
Speaker 1: needs to.
32:55
Speaker 2: It's not going to be simple. Look, because remember what
32:57
Speaker 2: I said about Mark, I was I was maybe the
32:59
Speaker 2: most one of the most interesting thing I've seen Mark
33:02
Speaker 2: doing for years is adopting himself in how less than
33:05
Speaker 2: how he last already the Gatti, So you really have
33:09
Speaker 2: to to change your approach. And he is a little
33:11
Speaker 2: bit like Mark, like over aggressive over the front, you know,
33:14
Speaker 2: top rack style into the car and you can't do that.
33:16
Speaker 4: That's slow.
33:17
Speaker 2: That's really really slow on a good motor t bike.
33:19
Speaker 4: Don't do that.
33:20
Speaker 2: So obviously we media as people that we are asking
33:25
Speaker 2: this all the time. He knew he can see these
33:28
Speaker 2: questions coming and he is is his reaction is faster,
33:32
Speaker 2: and then then is then you know, it's really really
33:36
Speaker 2: fast saying no, that's not a problem.
33:37
Speaker 4: I don't need to change my riding style.
33:38
Speaker 2: I will be immediately fast on if the v force good,
33:41
Speaker 2: I will be fast. But these answers came so quickly
33:44
Speaker 2: that he knew them. He knew them, he knows what
33:47
Speaker 2: to say. He is using us to forge Yama, but
33:51
Speaker 2: really like it's really good pointing it that he has
33:53
Speaker 2: to prove something because you're only an alien alien if
33:56
Speaker 2: you went to a completely different bike and adjusted to it.
34:00
Speaker 2: Of course, the Yama is like the easiest bike. It's
34:02
Speaker 2: still a fucking fast motortor bike. The real proper motorbike
34:06
Speaker 2: st a multiviewbacks are pretty undergarded. They have to be
34:09
Speaker 2: ridden very differently, very unnatural.
34:11
Speaker 3: We see, No, that's we've Peter, we've touched on the
34:16
Speaker 3: other four manufacturers. To my mind, across the last half
34:18
Speaker 3: an hour or so, I did want to get to
34:20
Speaker 3: a Prillier and just ask you to put your Massamo
34:24
Speaker 3: Rivela hat on here. Imagine that you're managing that team.
34:27
Speaker 3: What's the conversation with Jorge Martin like after what happens
34:30
Speaker 3: on the first lap of the sprint at Motegi, Because
34:32
Speaker 3: you've spent that much money on this guy this year
34:35
Speaker 3: and he's had three major injuries already, and then we
34:38
Speaker 3: saw what happened in the first quarter at Motegi. He's
34:40
Speaker 3: out again, he's broken his right collar bone. He'll at
34:42
Speaker 3: least miss Indonesia. Who knows when he comes back. But
34:45
Speaker 3: if you're Masimo at this point, what's that conversation like,
34:48
Speaker 3: Because it's got to the point now where JORGEI has been,
34:53
Speaker 3: you know, the author of his own story this year,
34:55
Speaker 3: and that so many of these injuries feel self inflicted.
34:58
Speaker 3: How do you sit down with your rider and have
35:00
Speaker 3: that chat at this point, that's a tough conversation is it.
35:03
Speaker 2: I'm so glad I'm not him because I will be
35:05
Speaker 2: way too much. I'm Dutch, so I'm straight. You know whatever,
35:09
Speaker 2: you will know there was no there's no fucking around
35:12
Speaker 2: or talking around it. We call us paper paid and
35:15
Speaker 2: we love that. So I'm glad I'm not the guy
35:17
Speaker 2: because Horror will be crying out of the the truck
35:19
Speaker 2: and go home and never look at me again.
35:21
Speaker 4: We can't do that.
35:22
Speaker 2: So mas Mo Rivela has done miracles with Horror by
35:27
Speaker 2: accepting and then turning the whole thing around what horr
35:29
Speaker 2: Ho already inflicted on himself, you know, by trying to
35:32
Speaker 2: sneak out to home, Diane Sonia, all the ship he
35:35
Speaker 2: brought over himself, It's all down to him. Everything was
35:37
Speaker 2: down to himself. Everything that went wrong was Horror matching
35:40
Speaker 2: all the time. Whether you go out on the medium
35:43
Speaker 2: tired that everybody knows you's a punkt as, don't even
35:46
Speaker 2: look at it, don't even bring it in the grass.
35:48
Speaker 2: We don't need that medium retired. It's fucking dangerous, it's
35:50
Speaker 2: too coldish money.
35:51
Speaker 4: We stay in the box.
35:52
Speaker 2: One guys goes out, that's the same guy that told her,
35:55
Speaker 2: told us the day before on the on the the
35:58
Speaker 2: little on the press meeting, in the in the media
36:00
Speaker 2: center span. We're obviously asking him, Okay, now you're leading
36:03
Speaker 2: the development, how you deal with the pressure? Speaking of
36:08
Speaker 2: speaking of questions, and he said pressure.
36:10
Speaker 4: Pressure.
36:11
Speaker 2: Last year was pressure. I was fighting for the championship.
36:13
Speaker 2: Now I'm leading the development. That's easy for me. I
36:15
Speaker 2: can lead the development. And next morning he goes out
36:17
Speaker 2: when nobody wanted to go out on the wrong tie.
36:20
Speaker 2: He crashes, immediately goes back to the bog, go out
36:23
Speaker 2: again on the same tie which was down even colder,
36:25
Speaker 2: and then really break something. Okay, that's a difficult start
36:29
Speaker 2: of disease, but it wasn't the empty The whole sequence
36:32
Speaker 2: of things that they all did to himself started from
36:35
Speaker 2: there on. Yeah, he he has dropped a little bit
36:39
Speaker 2: from where I put him last year. He's the guy
36:41
Speaker 2: that is an example of if you put him in
36:43
Speaker 2: a very stable situation like Pramr Dukatti is the best
36:46
Speaker 2: team in the world for a rider to be because
36:48
Speaker 2: he got all the advantage of a factory team without
36:50
Speaker 2: the bullshit and without the pressure. Just these are just
36:53
Speaker 2: a group of friends that love each other and go racing.
36:55
Speaker 4: That's product.
36:56
Speaker 2: Even now with Yama, they love to go racing. They're
36:58
Speaker 2: all these friends everybody. I mean, if you're not happy
37:01
Speaker 2: in Primark, you're in trouble, you will maybe you know
37:04
Speaker 2: you're the problem. Possible, that's impossible. So he got all
37:09
Speaker 2: the stars aligned for a couple of years, and then
37:11
Speaker 2: he did a really really good job by just beating Peko.
37:14
Speaker 2: But now now it shows that he still has a
37:17
Speaker 2: lot of learning to do. He's a bit of immaturity,
37:19
Speaker 2: can be a bit of wild thinking left and right,
37:22
Speaker 2: up and down. As I mean, on his days, it's
37:25
Speaker 2: not believed. On his days he's a lot better than Pekabayaya.
37:29
Speaker 2: On his days, then Horroratin's more special. But there has
37:32
Speaker 2: to be too many stars aligned for too long to
37:35
Speaker 2: keep him in line. I have a big respect for
37:37
Speaker 2: Apprelia for not having already the whole relationship destroyed, which
37:41
Speaker 2: he tried to do. But yeah, that that conversation must
37:45
Speaker 2: have been happened. Must have happened. But I also point
37:48
Speaker 2: a little bit to the technical regulations. If you listen
37:52
Speaker 2: to our podcast a couple of times, we do that
37:53
Speaker 2: every now and then. Yeah, because we shouldn't we shouldn't
37:56
Speaker 2: arrive at turn one at multijip races with the bike
37:59
Speaker 2: that front are rail loaded, stripped to the ground, cannot
38:03
Speaker 2: move to left and right and accelerate quite easily all
38:07
Speaker 2: the same, so you still arrive with the high speed
38:09
Speaker 2: with the group completely. Look at all the races, how
38:12
Speaker 2: people arrive at turn one, not as close a group
38:15
Speaker 2: as they are now, and the bikes now when they
38:17
Speaker 2: arrive at turn one, everybody is on a higher speed
38:20
Speaker 2: than effort, and then they have to be to do
38:23
Speaker 2: something very unnatural. They take the break, but not too
38:25
Speaker 2: aggressive because first year bike have to go back into
38:28
Speaker 2: the normal position. Then you break and juggle for opposition.
38:31
Speaker 2: It's always the first road that does everything perfect because
38:34
Speaker 2: they have easy life. Second lad tries to make up
38:36
Speaker 2: second row, try to make up some places. If you're lucky,
38:39
Speaker 2: dive in all that's it. But after the second row,
38:41
Speaker 2: that's the jungle, that's where everything goes wrong. He came
38:44
Speaker 2: from row four or five. He should have been more
38:48
Speaker 2: patient and dive in a hole that exists as far
38:51
Speaker 2: as you can still maneuver these things before you break,
38:54
Speaker 2: but he was immediately. He was way too early out
38:56
Speaker 2: of control. And then you're a passenger on current multipeed bikes.
38:59
Speaker 2: Once decided to start your breaking action just two meters later,
39:03
Speaker 2: and everybody else and he already knew what was going
39:06
Speaker 2: to ship. And you're a passion You sit on the check,
39:09
Speaker 2: goes to ride because you get pushed by somebody else.
39:11
Speaker 2: Then you're on the door, Then you're locking the front,
39:13
Speaker 2: then you have to open the front. Then you know
39:14
Speaker 2: it's got its bowling time. So he took out only
39:17
Speaker 2: one rider, but you don't make that shit up.
39:19
Speaker 3: It's his teammates, the only the only person you don't
39:23
Speaker 3: want to take it in that situation.
39:24
Speaker 2: I don't want we don't want whole shot devices on bike,
39:27
Speaker 2: really don't want them. They bring nothing but danger. We
39:30
Speaker 2: get rid of them, but better yesterday than twenty seven.
39:35
Speaker 1: So I think my takeaway from that is Pete's really
39:37
Speaker 1: looking forward to twenty twenty seven.
39:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think we all are.
39:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah right. They will change
39:45
Speaker 2: everything everything because as all the riders tell us, all
39:48
Speaker 2: we do is follow the tires. The tires are when
39:51
Speaker 2: you draw a new motorcycle, you start with taking two
39:54
Speaker 2: tires on your desk and then start to think what
39:56
Speaker 2: to do with them, just these two tires, not because
39:59
Speaker 2: anytime tied, it's really tired. It's mission I. Once you
40:02
Speaker 2: understand your tires, everything is dedicated to understand and make
40:06
Speaker 2: the best out of these tires. And Missilion's tires are
40:08
Speaker 2: are very weird. They have a rear tire it's unbelievably
40:11
Speaker 2: fucking beautiful and a front tiree that's difficult to say
40:14
Speaker 2: the least, and then never change it. That's the DNA
40:16
Speaker 2: of these tires. We go to other tires, which in
40:18
Speaker 2: the end we also have their downfall because when you
40:21
Speaker 2: push tires day and night, every minute to the limit,
40:24
Speaker 2: you will feel something whoa, that's the way. It's reaction
40:26
Speaker 2: on why he's doing that. But in the end the
40:29
Speaker 2: tires will be so different, so it will be interesting
40:32
Speaker 2: to sue you picks up what to do with the
40:34
Speaker 2: new tires. The first my guess is new Kati, but
40:37
Speaker 2: I don't say right.
40:39
Speaker 1: Well, on that note, we still have twenty twenty five
40:42
Speaker 1: to go and there is five more races, so we
40:45
Speaker 1: are still in the fly aways. Indonesia is up next,
40:48
Speaker 1: which is this weekend, but the same weekend as a
40:51
Speaker 1: Formula one. So listeners, if you divide it between what
40:54
Speaker 1: to watch Motor GP all the way, formula's a night racing.
40:58
Speaker 1: It's not even two wheels too many, right, correct? But Peter,
41:02
Speaker 1: thank you so much for be coming on the podcast
41:05
Speaker 1: all that. If one, listeners are gonna like tune out now,
41:06
Speaker 1: but thank you again for coming on the fit Talk podcast. Honestly,
41:09
Speaker 1: every time I listen to you on on.
41:11
Speaker 2: Already now we just thought. Now I feel a little
41:14
Speaker 2: bit and I feel bad actually now because I'm like,
41:18
Speaker 2: you know, I have no self control because you guys,
41:21
Speaker 2: you guys. I feel like I'm trapped because you give
41:23
Speaker 2: me a question that you know I really loved, and
41:25
Speaker 2: then I give a more explanation about it, and then
41:28
Speaker 2: you say something again and I'm like, oh, there was
41:30
Speaker 2: a bit too much about me. Maybe, sure that they've
41:32
Speaker 2: had more like a conversation that I feel think because.
41:36
Speaker 1: They get enough of being Matt all the time, They're like,
41:38
Speaker 1: what's a new voice on here? We get someone else
41:40
Speaker 1: to listen to, so they're gonna love it. So listeners,
41:44
Speaker 1: if we've had it, say a million times, go and
41:46
Speaker 1: listen to the offstly Bomb podcast because me and Matt
41:49
Speaker 1: do all the time and we learn so much from yourself, Peter,
41:52
Speaker 1: But I need to tell everyone so Peter actually worked
41:56
Speaker 1: with my brother back in the Super Sports?
41:58
Speaker 2: Can it?
41:59
Speaker 1: Can I speak of Of course she can, of course
42:02
Speaker 1: she can.
42:02
Speaker 2: Nah. I feel a little bit embarrassed when I'm with
42:05
Speaker 2: you because all the time I want to speak because
42:07
Speaker 2: I worked three years with Chris and you were just
42:10
Speaker 2: a very little girl at the time, so we have
42:12
Speaker 2: no real history. But every time I speak with you,
42:14
Speaker 2: I want to speak about Chris, which is a bit
42:16
Speaker 2: shit because it's more about you now at the moment. Yeah,
42:20
Speaker 2: where to start about Chris? Like I so I worked.
42:25
Speaker 4: I was lucky enough to after Chris.
42:26
Speaker 2: Chris was in my first couple of years in racing
42:29
Speaker 2: as a professional, and then later I had the fortune
42:31
Speaker 2: and also had the misfortune to work with some very
42:33
Speaker 2: very good sometimes very not so good writers. So after
42:37
Speaker 2: many years I see more who he was at that time,
42:40
Speaker 2: how he was quite specially many many ways. And I
42:42
Speaker 2: start with the downside of Chris. Just not give him
42:45
Speaker 2: too much praise, just to piss him off. He was scarred,
42:48
Speaker 2: he was a pussy. He hated to crash, He really didn't.
42:51
Speaker 2: He crashed very very often when he crashed. He looked
42:54
Speaker 2: at us like something really really terrible just happened. I mean, fuck, man,
42:58
Speaker 2: you're just crashed. Everybody does that all the time. He
43:00
Speaker 2: crashed very very few. But it's also a testimony of
43:03
Speaker 2: his unbelievable skills he had. He had super farst reflexes
43:07
Speaker 2: I hand coordination. These reflexes are unbelievable. But he hated risk,
43:11
Speaker 2: so you can also say this is unbelievable how far
43:14
Speaker 2: you can get by taking very very little risk, even
43:17
Speaker 2: if it looked unbelievably scary. What he did, like winning
43:20
Speaker 2: wet multijip races, he was in control. He was in control.
43:24
Speaker 2: That that is a testimony to his talent. But he
43:28
Speaker 2: could have done a couple of championships, probably more if
43:32
Speaker 2: he should have had less problem at putting things on
43:35
Speaker 2: the line, making taking a little bit more risk. But
43:40
Speaker 2: that's that's like a constructive It sounds too negative because
43:44
Speaker 2: it also made him having a nice, good long life,
43:47
Speaker 2: still having, you know, having having a good life. He
43:49
Speaker 2: was always such a nice person because he didn't need
43:51
Speaker 2: to destroy everybody. I've worked with some top riders that
43:54
Speaker 2: looking back, yeah, we became world champion, But was he
43:57
Speaker 2: a nice kind not at all.
43:58
Speaker 4: He was actually an ashole. You know.
43:59
Speaker 2: He was fully in his own don wanted to be
44:01
Speaker 2: every five minutes, needed to prove it. He was faster
44:03
Speaker 2: and clever than everybody else. Not Chris. Chris was just
44:06
Speaker 2: but just your neighborhood guy that is just happy to
44:09
Speaker 2: ride around on one wheel all day and be friendly
44:11
Speaker 2: to everybody. You put him on a motorbike, he accident
44:14
Speaker 2: it sort of wins it doesn't find it very special
44:16
Speaker 2: and also not very just too natural. It was just
44:19
Speaker 2: too natural at that time. Riding in the rain was
44:22
Speaker 2: a different game. Rain tires were crap and we had
44:26
Speaker 2: a crap tire. The first Pirellian rain tied all the
44:29
Speaker 2: parly ties and beginning the super bike were unbelievably shit.
44:31
Speaker 2: This saved his career a little because he was so
44:34
Speaker 2: good in managing when there is almost like no grip.
44:37
Speaker 2: So two short stories. We go to Laguna Seca the
44:40
Speaker 2: first time with the superbike. I'm so happy to have
44:42
Speaker 2: tick the box Lagunaseka because you need to be there,
44:45
Speaker 2: and we go there with just like I think we
44:47
Speaker 2: had four people and Chris. That's five people in total,
44:50
Speaker 2: two small crates and we were neighbors with the Petrona
44:53
Speaker 2: Superbike team from Foggy. They had twenty thousand crates, three
44:56
Speaker 2: pit boxes, burning the midnight.
44:58
Speaker 4: Oil, doing zero results.
44:59
Speaker 2: We had two creates, one spare faring and one engine.
45:02
Speaker 4: That was all we had.
45:03
Speaker 2: All we had and a laptop, my laptop and Chris
45:06
Speaker 2: put it on polem in both races. But all he
45:09
Speaker 2: did was very early realizing. He came in the first
45:12
Speaker 2: session in the middle of the first thing. He said, guys,
45:14
Speaker 2: that is just it's not just little grip. There's just
45:17
Speaker 2: no crypt. Okay, we go left, we go right, we
45:20
Speaker 2: go up, we go down. Halfway the second session, we said, Chris,
45:23
Speaker 2: on Friday afternoon, we will not fight grip, just deal
45:26
Speaker 2: with it. And the CUTI was sending overnight stuff from
45:30
Speaker 2: Bologna another link rage show for the shock for they
45:33
Speaker 2: were doing everything to look for grip and never found it.
45:36
Speaker 2: E when it's not there, it's better too earlier say
45:38
Speaker 2: there is no grip and I just deal with it.
45:40
Speaker 2: And he loved he should have won a moultijiped there
45:42
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, it's an unbelievable track. So he was
45:45
Speaker 2: nobody knew who specially he was at that time because
45:48
Speaker 2: that home now was not. We called it the ship
45:50
Speaker 2: was just a stock pike. It was really a super
45:52
Speaker 2: stock pike, an unbelievable thing. Next thing in the rain,
45:55
Speaker 2: we were giving him another. He was already winning everything
45:57
Speaker 2: in the rain. He was always fast. So but still
46:00
Speaker 2: we've thought our bike had a lot of talk and
46:02
Speaker 2: a little bit aggressive talk on the first opening of
46:05
Speaker 2: the talk, so you break, you break away the traction
46:07
Speaker 2: and then you have to always have to wait too
46:10
Speaker 2: long before it comes.
46:10
Speaker 4: Back and you lose your exits.
46:11
Speaker 2: So we made him an a trottle trottle grip from
46:17
Speaker 2: the handlebar that had like a not line yar motion.
46:20
Speaker 2: So the first couple of degrees it was like you
46:22
Speaker 2: move a lot with your hand, but the real butterflies
46:24
Speaker 2: on the engine don't open a lot, and so on
46:25
Speaker 2: and so on. You know, to give him more feeling
46:28
Speaker 2: for first opening, he goes out with it super fast
46:31
Speaker 2: with it in the wet and then comes back. So
46:32
Speaker 2: now I don't want it, because yeah, it helps me
46:36
Speaker 2: be by opening, but when I have a slide, I
46:38
Speaker 2: also need more time to come back completely. I like
46:40
Speaker 2: the short, aggressive trottle because I have the speed. So
46:44
Speaker 2: there's two things remarkable in the first that he can
46:46
Speaker 2: do that. He has these reflexes. But secondly he realized
46:50
Speaker 2: what was happening with his hand, with his brain when
46:52
Speaker 2: something happened. Now, I work with a lot of riders,
46:55
Speaker 2: but not many riders have that level of know how,
46:58
Speaker 2: what and why they do what they do. Chris was unbelievable.
47:02
Speaker 2: That's why he started his debrief. We always asked him
47:04
Speaker 2: because if there was little time after the race, we
47:07
Speaker 2: always ask him because on Sunday after the race, you have,
47:10
Speaker 2: you know, everything you wanted to throw on Friday, but
47:12
Speaker 2: it's only after race and it's too easy to then
47:14
Speaker 2: go on the plane, go home, and then two weeks
47:16
Speaker 2: later we see each other or another track. So we
47:18
Speaker 2: asked Chris to write down how a normal lap in
47:22
Speaker 2: that race felt and what was good, what was bad,
47:24
Speaker 2: And he always started with the same sentence when I
47:25
Speaker 2: break for the first turn. But he was just writing
47:28
Speaker 2: in the plane by hand, and it was an unbelievable
47:31
Speaker 2: long story, which told me. For him to turn one
47:34
Speaker 2: in Valencia, it doesn't take three seconds, it takes three hours.
47:38
Speaker 2: The way he understands it, he has he is like
47:40
Speaker 2: a super fast data recorder with a lot of channels
47:43
Speaker 2: at the same time, and he kind knows where where
47:44
Speaker 2: the keys of the temper are at the same time
47:46
Speaker 2: while losing the front and correcting it. That feedback was
47:49
Speaker 2: unbelievable always, that was very, very impressive. So yeah, if
47:53
Speaker 2: it wasn't for him for being a little bit scared,
47:54
Speaker 2: he would have two times Milia, what you will champion now,
47:57
Speaker 2: just kidd just kidding. That was unbelievable. He was unbelievable
48:00
Speaker 2: in that way.
48:01
Speaker 1: I love that you said that, because sorry, man, I
48:04
Speaker 1: was just like talking about Chris now. But I used
48:07
Speaker 1: to ask him because I was so young, like you said,
48:08
Speaker 1: I said, what is it? What is it like? Like
48:11
Speaker 1: what does a race feel like for you? And he
48:12
Speaker 1: said it takes so long because everything's like I could
48:18
Speaker 1: see the seconds, like taking the time to take over.
48:21
Speaker 1: And then hearing you say that, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
48:25
Speaker 2: Everything happens in your emotion while in reality soon with
48:30
Speaker 2: the special guys, and he's aware of it and knows
48:32
Speaker 2: how to explain it. It was easy working with him.
48:35
Speaker 2: We didn't look need to look a lot at the data.
48:37
Speaker 2: Of course, his feedback was complete complete.
48:41
Speaker 1: Well, just to let you know, we don't do family
48:43
Speaker 1: game night at our house because he just has to
48:45
Speaker 1: win everything, so he does. Take Okay, all right, Peter, Well,
48:51
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48:54
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