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The Nutcracker and the Four Realms · The Art of Costume Podcast

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Yeah, like like my whole, like not liking like Disney
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princesses or not. I don't like them, but being
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freaked out by like, Park Disney Princesses and other, like,
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characters extends into clowns. So this part definitely freaked
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me out a little bit, so I forgot about that.
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But these are some stunning pieces, hello?
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And welcome to the block. A simoes with joy glass, and I'm
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a wooden soldier who also cracks nut.
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Spencer Williams. Thanks phones.
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Are. How was your week?
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Oh, thanks for asking Elizabeth. It's been great.
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Feeling great but I mean, I don't know.
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I'm feeling fine. Young fine.
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Are you get into the festive? Spirit?
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I'm getting into the festive spirit.
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I was just in Disneyland. I was at a bunch of events.
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So probably where I got sick in the first place, but like I'm
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feeling festive, you know, I'm doing, I'm doing my best
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watching. Christmas movies to keep myself.
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Happy happy spirits up. Yes, I'm ready to crack some
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nuts. Good, good.
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I'm glad. After our conversation.
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Last week, I actually went out and got some more Christmas gift
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shopping done. Well, that's good.
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So you're done already. Almost, I got more today.
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It's one of those like flash sales that like Instagram
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markets to you. Oh no.
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It's like, oh this would be perfect for this person so I got
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them a gift. Oh yeah.
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So I've been shopping and watching documentaries.
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Much like five documentaries in the past week.
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Oh, that's fun. I owe.
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You know, I watched, I was I loved.
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I don't know if you've seen yet, but I watched Miss Marvel.
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Finally, and I watched She-Hulk, and it's so good.
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Both of them. I've been watching
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documentaries, because I've like, I took on like basically,
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like a freelance job. So like, I like need background
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stuff. Yeah.
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But I didn't, I didn't feel like re-watching.
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Anything I wanted to like absorb something new.
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So, I've been putting on documentaries.
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Hmm, because they are easy to drowned out sometimes.
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And you always know when something dramatic and important
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is happening in a documentary. It's hard to miss, but yeah,
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like I watched the Victoria Secret one which is wild.
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I've been wanting to watch someone.
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Oh my gosh, it's so good. I watched I watched that.
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I watched the most hated man on the internet.
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A really wholesome one about Queen Elizabeth.
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Okay, one that you love. A kind of strange one about
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Princess Diana on HBO it wasn't sure I've I don't watch it but I
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thought I saw it on there. Just looking at me it wasn't
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it's worth. It's worth a, it's worth a
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watch. It's not super long.
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Well, that sounds like a mighty good time.
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I will check it out good because there's in there.
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There's a documentary on Netflix.
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I've been dying. It's about think it's, oh my
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gosh, I'm going to sound stupid. Supid, I think it's 99, the, the
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Woodstock that happened? I think in 99, I watched like,
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did you want to watch that one? We're like, it completely fails.
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Oh my gosh, it was so good. It was so good.
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It had like MTV people who were covering it for MTV.
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We're on the documentary, the Woodstock guy.
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He was, they interviewed him shortly before he died.
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So, he's in the documentary. Yeah, that was excellent.
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So if you're looking for in documentaries to get yourself
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into the Christmas spirit, come to Spencer to Elizabeth.
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We have all the cheerful we got there.
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There was one very cheerful one I watched about cats on Netflix.
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Oh I did watch the trailer for that and I remember thinking
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Elizabeth would really like to stalk.
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You really love that actually think it came on after I watched
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jingle jangle, Then like you know how it shows like three
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things right after it was yes oh my God, I love that huh.
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You know what else? I love Spencer The Nutcracker
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for sure. The Nutcracker everybody this
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week, we watched The Nutcracker and the four Realms.
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Yes. Lots of fun.
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Quite the stunning. Visually Beautiful film,
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definitely, definitely. I remember when this came out,
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it was like a huge holiday release and then I feel like I
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never heard about it again. Yeah, but I like this is one of
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those films were like, the costumes are so recognizable
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though. I mean, I've literally seen the
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Keira Knightley costume multiple times in person that pops up and
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like every cool Disney Museum Exhibition at this point.
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Oh yeah, because it's a beautiful piece and I feel like
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we should just jump into this. Spencer, give us a summary.
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All right Nutcracker, and the four Realms Clara needs a
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magical. One-of-a-kind key to unlock a
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box that contains a Priceless gift.
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A golden thread leads her to the key, but it soon disappears into
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a strange and mysterious parallel world and that world,
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she meets a soldier, some mice. And the Regents who preside over
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three really cool Realms. Clara must then enter for from
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to retrieve the key. And Harmony to the unstable land
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and that is not cracker in the four rounds and it's not cracker
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in the four Realms. If you have Disney plus you can
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watch this right now. Yeah.
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And you'll love it. You will love it.
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You will love it. So let's go behind the Wardrobe.
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We have directors as a hellstrom and Joe Johnston.
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Oh yeah, love it. Joe Johnston, film.
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Our costume designer is 11 time Oscar nominee and three times.
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Winner. Jenny beavan, you all know her
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work from oscar-winning A Room With a View.
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Oscar nominated Howards, end Sense, and Sensibility, 1995
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Oscar domination ever After A Cinderella Story for which we
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did an episode earlier this year, Anna and the King 1999.
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Oscar nomination, Gosford Park, Oscar nomination, Alexander
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Sherlock, and a game of chess. Doze Mad, Max Fury Road Oscar
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wit and which we also did an episode, The King's Speech,
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Oscar nomination and Cruella which was our very first
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episode. And for which Jenny beavan won
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her third Oscar, we probably won't be doing any Jenny beavan
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films for a little while, so get your fix now because we've
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almost got through her entire filmography at this point.
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Not quite, she's done a lot of films.
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All right? And she said to Britain Co about
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The Nutcracker and the four Realms a project.
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Like this is just amazing for a costume designer.
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The variety will provide some fantastic characters to costume.
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And she had some Fantastical characters to costume and she
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said to variety about working on this film, we were doing a lot
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of glue and sparkling glitter. We were Doing a lot of glue and
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sparkling glitter. In fact, I add glitter all over
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my clothes for weeks after finishing the Nutcracker I think
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we all sparkled. Oh, I love that.
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I mean, I imagine Jenny Bevins always sparkling regardless if
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she's working on The Nutcracker I that's just how I imagined
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her. I feel like she has that glowy
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energy where you meet her you're just like yes this is a
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wonderful person but this Spite all the fantasy, Jenny beavan
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known for her historical. Dramas knew she had to Route
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this. In reality.
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She told the LA times, we said it in 1875 for the basic story.
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You've got to have an anchor when you do films, where they
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say, I don't care about the period and they're all over the
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place. I think, even when people don't
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know the period, they know it's kind of wrong, right, with?
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This is a good point. It's definitely.
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Very believable, especially like, you know, in the regular
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Victorian era world. But then, even in the fantasy
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full world, like it's very rooted in reality and they have
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to the time to make it that wonderful fantastically grounded
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in reality peace. They had 12 week prep period.
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Well more than 100 People working on cutting, embellishing
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fitting dressing, she asked me stuff the movie movies,
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principal actors had about 150 costume, which included Doubles,
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Plus hundreds more for the magical realm.
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They had about 700 rented costumes, for big crowd scenes,
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and 1500 outfits about in total. Is like such a typical Jenny,
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beavan film like a million and two costumes to gazillion
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employees. All of crazy, talented jobs.
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This is such a typical and like, no better person to do this film
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than Jenny. Beavan.
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I'm sure they saw this work. You know, years later and you're
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like, okay, well, we already know who's going to do Corolla.
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So this is just like, the the pre workout before karela.
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Yeah, absolute. I've is this the first Disney
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film she did Did I don't think Ever After was Disney?
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So this probably was like her first probably.
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They were clearly like. Well, this is the woman who's
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going to do. Yeah, regardless, they were like
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we need Jenny. Beavan, get her on the phone
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stat. Get her here.
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We gotta have her. Well if that Elizabeth some
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amazing behind the words are facts.
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As always take a little break and when we come back we'll get
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into The Nutcracker and eat sugar plums.
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Arms and stuff like that. Eat my hair.
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Like cotton candy, do eat sugar? Plums, I actually don't know
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what a sugar plum, is. Not what you say.
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I don't know what a singer, but maybe we will eat them.
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Laughter, just break all this. Now, what does, what the fuck is
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this shit? We'll be right back.
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Costume and subscribe now. All right, Elizabeth are ready
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to jump into the Nutcracker. Oh yeah.
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And it starts our favorite way Spencer with a ball with a
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Christmas Eve ball. We meet Clara and her family.
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And I have to say, Every time I see Matthew McFadden in a roll.
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Now, it freaks me out because I can't see him as anything but
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his character in succession. Oh, I haven't seen succession
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but he looks so familiar to me. Yeah, he's 16, he's in a, in a
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bunch of things, we will probably at one point, watch The
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Pride and Prejudice where he's mr.
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Darcy, which I'm sure wreaked me out when I realized.
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He was the mr. Darcy and that film with
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Elizabeth says at some point but she damn, well knows.
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It's already scheduled. She just hasn't showed it to me
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if I remember correctly. It is Oscar nominated for its
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costumes or I'm not the biggest fan of that particular movie,
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Mostly because I think the story of Pride and Prejudice is better
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suited to miniseries. The movie doesn't give enough
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time for the story to like breathe.
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So That's my personal problem. What I love is that Clara is
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being played by Renesmee herself, right, right.
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And I'm not talking about the creepy Renesmee doll and time
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out the actual actress from Breaking Dawn.
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I love that this like little Renesmee is actually like
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working and you know, is she still working?
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Yeah, she is yeah. Yeah, she's killing work.
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Yeah. I saw her last film was in 2020,
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so hopefully that was just like a pandemic.
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Like hopefully she has something else coming out because she's so
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good. Yeah, she's so talented.
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So beautiful. I was like, where did were by
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seen her before? She just like you could tell
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she's she needs to be in like a Tim Burton film.
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She has a Tim burton-esque, like look to her.
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She gives me like, Ava Green a little bit.
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So, great in this film by Really want to talk about her ballgown
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though. That purple.
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That Lavender is so stunning. I was obsessed with it.
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It was actually I will say possibly my one costume to rule
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them all. It's definitely up there being
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juggled around like rightfully. So this is a beautiful piece and
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it transitions really beautifully from the Victorian
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world to this Fantasy Land, Jenny beavan, talk to Brittany.
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How about it? She said, she's obviously not a
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particularly dressy girl, but I felt for the party, they were a
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family with wealth. So she would have had a proper
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dress. But the main thing I wanted was
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when she came out into the snow in the Realms, it was extremely
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inappropriate to be dressed in such a Gauzy flimsy dress
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because I Loved those images, and the sort of sort of
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idiosyncrasy of that which unlike.
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Yes. Brilliant.
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Yeah I mean it's like the typical like Alice in Wonderland
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you know, popping out and like a huge ball gown Chronicles of
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Narnia and you're like whoa like I need to change back up but the
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color still like perfectly work though as she Blends into like
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the four Realms. Yes and Jenny beavan actually
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What about the color a little bit with Brit + CO as well?
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She said, I think Disney wanted a new color, you know, they done
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the yellow dress for bail and the blue dress for Cinderella
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and I thought, well, that's a lovely idea.
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So they were like okay, let's have something something totally
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new. Yeah, for this new princess of
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theirs. That is such a good point.
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Like there's only so many colors you could do when you're doing a
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Disney film like this. Like so this would have been the
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best choice, I'd say, absolutely and I love the amount of detail
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she puts into it but it's still very simple and childlike,
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right? And then she has to think about
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like when she's doing that ball scene in the beginning, she has
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to remember that this dress also has to look like work well in
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the four Realms to. So she's passing for two scenes
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at the same time, that is some crazy and mind brain.
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Mind Games right there. Absolutely.
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And she chose like the perfect purple because like in the
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Victorian era it's quite it is lavender but it's still quite
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rich and you know fits in quite well.
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But then when she goes into the four Realms with the light
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changing, it turns into this like I see purple.
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Which I didn't know was a thing till I solve this but it's like
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an icy purpley color she quickly Meats.
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All the for the three Realms. What guards?
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They have to offer, just a bunch of goofy soldiers.
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A bunch of goofy soldiers. But she does meet Phillip The
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Nutcracker Soldier and I love his costume.
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It is so cool. It's so cool.
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The embellishment on it is just so intricate and complex, very
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rich and detailed. It really like brings you into
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this fantasy world but still somehow feels like a little bit
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based in reality to though like you it's recognizable.
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You know what she's doing. Well it still feels fantasy.
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Yeah definitely because the idea that all of them are toys
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brought to life. It's like okay.
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Yeah they all look you know, 19th century Victorian toys.
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So they do have like that grounding in reality which is
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like a little bit bigger. Yeah I also I wonder if these
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are the gingerbread shoulder. Hers.
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Spencer the to a listen to my Arts when I heard confused
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because I coulda sworn, I read something about gingerbread
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soldiers but it could also be covid brain so I could be making
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stuff up but if if there are any it was be some of these two
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soldiers, these two that are guarding.
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The gate are just so funny. It was so fun to see Jack
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Whitehall. He's such a great comedian.
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Barely recognizable in that costume did a great job.
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Transforming these characters into like really like campy?
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Yeah, toys. Like like yeah, I said,
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especially them because compared to, oh gosh, we can't fill up.
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They just they look so goofy and simple.
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Yeah. But then we meet sugarplum
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played by Keira Knightley and all her Her her glory.
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All of this dress is so iconic. So famous.
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Yeah, like I said earlier, I've seen this dress so many times
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I've liked travelled and seen a different exhibitions is
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stunning is beautiful. It is all that so many great
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colors and textures to it and it works so perfectly with her
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hair. It's just like this is one of
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Jenny Bevins greatest pieces. She's ever done in her career.
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Absolutely. And She talked about it to
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laughing Palace.com. She said, I think sugarplum
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because we chose to do a look that actually sucked up vast
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amounts of fabric. And it was all hundreds of these
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little fans and then sort of flounced about.
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But we hadn't quite realized was to get the amount of fabric, it
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would eat up doing that. And getting enough of the same
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fabric is always tricky. She she she she was like once
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you go over 20 years of fabric, she said they had to wait about
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six weeks just to get the fabric and she had to make two of them.
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She's about. Yea, I mean just looking at like
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that is a crafting event. Yeah, I'm like no wonder.
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She only has one costume in this film.
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Yeah. I think we don't have enough
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time to make her another one. No, it's probably so heavy, too.
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I bet. Oh, I bet.
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I mean it looks like they have a good like cage underneath that
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so hopefully that took like most of the way off Keira Knightley.
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But yeah, definitely a weighty Garmin.
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That's incredible costume. I will say though the Keira
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Knightley accent and not need the happen.
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What was that about Elizabeth? I don't know.
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I think they are trying to make her like Fairy.
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Like that's what I thought, especially once I saw the fairy
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wings, I was like, okay, she's supposed to be like a little
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fairy, whatever didn't like it. Clearly, you didn't and this is
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like the third time, you've brought it up first time on
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microphone. I brought it.
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That's true. Well, I didn't like was when she
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started eating her hair. I must have missed that.
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Yeah. During the valet seen, it was
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funny. But I was also like, that's your
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hair girl, is it made of cotton candy.
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Mhm. Oh well that's that sounds
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really nice. Actually, I do actually love
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this wig. Like yeah.
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No it's a Keira Knightley looks amazing.
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And we love Karen. She is great.
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I just think at the exit but the costume and the hair is
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incredible. I also love that.
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It's not like a purely pink dress.
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Oh like yeah, she could have made this bubblegum pink.
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It would not have had the same effect.
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No, especially when she was right next to Clara, who has
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that laminar dress on, like they had to like, there had to be
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differentiation in the colors. Yeah.
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And then like, once she turned evil, Like that would have just
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looked silly for her to be like a pink dress.
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Yeah. I was also cut off guard by the
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house like sugar plum. I believed in you.
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I was rooting for you sugar plum, right?
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Right. So, dare you.
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So evil, but surrounded by so many good costumes.
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Yeah. And Jenny beavan talks about the
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residence of the four Realms to the LA Times she said, We
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decided to think about what Clara's mother had in her closet
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or her cupboards when I have nightmares or Dreams, they're
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often anchored in something. I've seen that day or something.
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I have around. So we went to the sort of
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Staffordshire porcelain figures people would have their 18th
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century and they were perfect for the for for the realm of
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flowers. It was translated really
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intently for all the The Realms. We covered them with ice and
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snow and sickles, and Frost and glitter covered them in candy
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and sugar and sweet motifs. So, there are based on memories,
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which I'm like, I love that like, because those like little
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porcelain figures from the 18th century, they are very fanciful
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like the residents of the four Realms and like they have lots
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of like flower patterning on them.
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I under I understand why she was like yeah the flowers and then
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they could translate that into all these other Realms.
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Yeah. The the citizens of the four
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Realms stunning. I mean like every single costume
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is just covered in flowers and like such beautiful Silhouettes
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and the hair is big and like reminds me of like, the
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Alexander McQueen dress that has like the flout, the purple
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flowers on it and like, kind of like grapes inspired like
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Vineyard inspired. It's it's it's very high
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fashion, absolutely. But they had to go to some
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strange places to get everything they needed for these costumes.
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Jenny beavan told the Laughing Palace.com, of course you can
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get amazing things and shop display stores.
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That sell stuff to do with window dressings.
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We were just out finding anything we could to just find
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ideas. And from those ideas came, those
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costumes. I Has as much fun in fact, with
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Hawthorne and shiver. As I did with sugar plum, they
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don't end up on screen for as long but to me, they're just as
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important. Oh, yeah.
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So first off, we have shiver played by one of our favorites.
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Richard e-grant no way. Yeah, that's crazy.
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Very unrecognizable, I love his costume.
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It's so cool, though. Icicle work like the icicle
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collar. Like, this is so cool.
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This is like, Jack Frost wishes he looked this good Jack Frost
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does wish. He looked this good.
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She talked to the Laughing Palace more about his look.
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She said finding the most extraordinary piece of cutwork
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fabric, that felt to me it was like the pattern of that ice
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makes on Windows you know? You do get a real Frost and you
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get those extraordinary geometric patterns on the
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windows and those came together and I thought, oh, that might be
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the way to go. And it's like I didn't even
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notice that this was like, cutwork fabric until I like you
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close up. See I thought it was like a
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brocade, but no. I didn't realize that either.
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There's just so much happening in this film, that's so
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visually, this is a perfect film, and there's so much to
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look at it. So exciting that you miss you in
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like small details, you go really watch a second time.
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I don't know. Listen to like a really good
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costume design podcast, really get all of the great details.
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You can see who you do. And same goes for Hawthorne.
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So, like we shiver, she did lots of research.
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As she explained to the Laughing Palace, she said, I think it all
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came from various research looking up fairy tale
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illustrations from the 19th century and some people like
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Alexander McQueen who did amazing things.
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Oh nice. Well I never think of them as
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fashion. I think of them as a sort of
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sort of works of art, really lots of flowers.
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I think it was probably the flowers that got me Going first,
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okay, Spencer not to brag but I really feel like I'm in Jenny
27:40
Bevins had right now. I think it's because we've done
27:43
so many Jenny beavan episodes. I'm just really, I'm really up
27:47
in there right now. I think so.
27:50
And I love Hawthorne. He has this like great, like
27:53
embroidered fabric. Like all the detail is
27:58
beautiful, good. And shout out to like the hair
28:02
design team. I'm because they also like
28:05
really carry their part in this film, that Hawthorne's hair
28:09
stunning stunning and Jenny, beavan talked about her
28:13
collaboration to the Laughing Palace.
28:15
She said it's Jenny sirico who did the hair and makeup on this
28:20
film. She did she and I get along
28:24
brilliantly. I think this was our finest
28:27
collaboration. We have worked together before,
28:30
but we were just. So in tune.
28:33
The very early days in pre-production.
28:36
We asked if we could have three actors come in extras really who
28:41
we could just dress up to see if they were working and that was
28:45
really exciting. They came in early and we dress
28:48
them up and then Jenny did this amazing makeup and hair and that
28:53
was the beginning of it. And what we learn from that day,
28:57
we could refine it and it was absolutely a brilliant
29:01
collaboration and should be honest.
29:03
It's the pair of us together that make it look good.
29:07
Wow. So her name is also Jenny, it's
29:10
just too. Wow.
29:11
That's Jenny's doing Flawless work Wallace work and I love
29:15
that she that she acknowledges like, hey, it's not just me,
29:19
it's it's Jenny sheer core as well.
29:23
Yes, the icons. The absolute icons.
29:27
Also, an absolute icon. We have Clara in her pageant
29:32
gown. Oh yeah.
29:34
That was such a great one as so beautiful.
29:37
Very Regal. Like she, she is definitely the
29:40
Queen's daughter, Emily. Honestly, she's just be Queen at
29:45
this point. Yeah.
29:46
But like, very Regal, very put-together, it almost like
29:52
felt like out of this world, you know?
29:54
Like it felt like very based in reality.
29:57
This queen. Look she had on.
29:59
I agree. I agree.
30:00
And Jenny's talk to Britain Co about this.
30:03
Look, she said the pageant dress.
30:05
That is a really cool dress with the lace and the sleeves.
30:11
It flows. It has this long train, it's got
30:15
this flowery pattern. It was one of those dresses when
30:19
you're a little girl you wish you could wear a really crazy
30:25
fancy dress that's that dress, it's truthful.
30:30
Kind of like a little girl's fantasy and I wasn't because
30:33
Seen this picture before of her and sugarplum in the mirror.
30:38
And I wasn't crazy about it because it feels very heavy on
30:41
her. But also, it's like that's
30:44
sugarplum like, forcing her into this role to kind of like
30:48
manipulate her. So it makes sense.
30:51
But then when you see the whole thing with the train, oh my
30:56
gosh, it's stunning. Yeah, it's like really giving
30:59
the crown and it is funny too because sure Paul is giving Some
31:03
serious red flags, but none of us are catching it because she's
31:07
so cotton candy and like the pink and Plum colors.
31:12
But she's serving real red flags is she absolutely is, especially
31:17
during the ballet with this. Just beautiful ballerina playing
31:24
her mother and like, it's just like the perfect White ballet
31:28
dress, the wig matches perfectly.
31:31
This is like such a good look. Yeah, I was blown away and I was
31:36
just like, damn, Jenny beavan. Also had to like a full-on
31:39
ballet production. Yeah, it's Insanity.
31:42
It's in Sandy. I loved the Mouse costumes.
31:46
Very cute. So cute, but but the ballerina,
31:50
I was just like, man, for like what's basically a featured
31:55
extra stunning. Yeah, so okay.
32:00
And guess what Spencer? What there are More stunning.
32:04
Looks to come after a break. Let's take a break.
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support. Elizabeth is now a bad time to
33:12
tell you that. I really don't understand the
33:14
Nutcracker celery. Not this film, but doesn't all
33:18
nutcrackers and I'll tell you why.
33:21
Because my only introduction to The Nutcracker was just 99 film
33:27
called The nuttiest Nutcracker and it had to do with like
33:30
vegetables and fruit and mice. And that's, that's all I know.
33:37
I'm gonna be honest, Spencer, I don't really understand it
33:40
either. I think it is the Rowell of like
33:45
Alice in Wonderland where like this is maybe like a fever
33:48
dream. Okay.
33:49
That like in the actual like ballet, I don't know about the
33:52
story. Yeah I forgot.
33:54
I don't know if it's based off like an Or it might be based off
33:57
of poem, the ballet. It's I think it's like an 1890s
34:03
something. I don't know if it's a novel or
34:05
a play. What I'm getting at is, I've
34:08
never read it. I've only saw the VHS tape of
34:11
this VeggieTales based Nutcracker and I've seen not
34:18
only other complete Nutcracker film I've watched is Barbie and
34:22
the Nutcracker. So, Stop pretending like we know
34:28
what's happening here because we don't we don't I remember as a
34:31
kid going on a field trip to I think it was like a college.
34:37
We got to like sit in on there like rehearsal of The Nutcracker
34:40
dirt. I don't know.
34:41
It was a it was a weird field trip.
34:43
I remember that sounds lovely though.
34:47
Yeah. It's The nuttiest Nutcracker.
34:50
Yeah. What is lovely is Clara in her
34:55
military. Yes yes.
34:58
This is such a good look like, Claire has taken, you know, the
35:02
kingdom into her own hands. She's now the military leader.
35:06
It's time to get things done around here because clearly
35:09
everyone else is just fine with sitting around being lazy.
35:13
Not not Clara. She's going to go get that key
35:17
and look good doing it. I just, I love how it was so
35:23
Taylor to her the colors. Others like Echo kind of the
35:28
other soldiers but is very distinctive to her.
35:33
Yeah, it looks great on her. It's still very feminine to at
35:37
the same time, I love the length of the skirt.
35:42
It's just such a great jacket to it looks great on her.
35:46
It is a beautiful. Beautiful piece was awesome.
35:50
Beautiful, Spencer, we have clowns.
35:53
I love the clowns. They might have been my
35:55
favorite. They were so creepy but then at
35:59
the same time the details on their costumes.
36:02
I was mesmerised core. Just I agree they'd all be
36:07
honest. I was a little scared.
36:09
Yes. Like my thing with like people
36:11
in suits extends to clown, right?
36:15
So I can imagine someone with a clown phobia.
36:18
Not liking these scenes. Yeah.
36:21
Like my whole like not liking like Disney princesses or not I
36:25
don't. Like them, but being freaked out
36:27
by like, Park Disney Princesses and other like characters
36:29
extends into clowns. So this part definitely freaked
36:34
me out a little bit. I forgot about that.
36:41
But these are some stunning pieces.
36:44
Oh yeah there's so cool. They're so interesting.
36:47
Each one two clowns like has their own personality to like
36:51
they're very I would love to know the research behind like
36:54
these CERN clown character. Because you could tell like,
36:57
they're very referenced, very old-fashioned clowns.
37:02
Very spooky. Very, very spooky, also spooky
37:07
mother Ginger played by Helen Mirren Helen Mirren.
37:11
She's creepy, and I like it. Yeah, I Helen Mirren is, like,
37:17
one of my favorite actresses, and she kills it every time and
37:22
I love her like her military. Redress.
37:26
It's like it. It's just like a layering of
37:30
like all these different patterns like I don't think any
37:34
piece of her clothing has the same pattern as the other one.
37:37
No or same color but it works. It's very cool.
37:41
Like resembles like the giant almost.
37:43
I want to say circus tent but it's not a circus tent but it
37:46
gives circus Vibes but none like her look, almost like resembles
37:51
that tent and it's made of what looks like to me upholstery
37:54
Fabrics like lat Of like curtain based fabrics and her look which
37:59
even has a little tassels hanging off the end to its she's
38:02
giving upholstery expensive curtain?
38:07
Yes, absolutely. She could have been a little
38:11
more gentle with Clara. She came off very strong, right?
38:17
She was like, not the villain, but she was really giving strong
38:21
villain Vibes. I would have been confused, too.
38:24
It's like clearly this, this This little girl, this little
38:27
girl does not know what's going on mother.
38:30
Ginger. Maybe like reel it in a little
38:33
bit and be like, this is what's really going on?
38:37
We all need to have a sit-down meeting.
38:39
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And she gets that sit-down
38:44
meeting when mother Ginger helps her overthrow sugarplum.
38:50
I loved this final look. Yeah.
38:53
This this is such an underrated. Look where the sense that like
38:57
this is up there with sugar plums.
38:59
Look it is so cool, it takes that upholstery curtain Vibe.
39:04
But like so much all sense. Very Couture, Alexander McQueen
39:08
silhouette again where you see all the tassels but like Billows
39:12
out into these pain gaze at the side.
39:15
It is strong. This is high-fashion costuming
39:19
and I love it's like the same like jacket she was wearing
39:23
before but just with like a skirt skirt instead of pans and
39:27
I love that the skirts, like replicate the circus tent and
39:31
like she's got this fabulous collar.
39:34
This beautiful wig like she is given all the looks and she's
39:41
just like his bright and radiant now like she's giving like the
39:46
sun energy, she's very bright positive.
39:49
Like this is the leader. We were all looking for not the
39:52
to like dummies behind her who have great.
39:56
Seems but really did nothing to help us.
39:58
This story. Clara apologizes and mother.
40:02
Ginger is like, it's fine. Nobody else listen to me.
40:06
Either all the people who should have known better, didn't listen
40:10
to me either. So you're good.
40:11
Don't worry, I got these two dummies behind me, looks back at
40:14
icicle head and flower beard. And she's like, she's like and
40:20
then they're like I feel like they're like putting their hands
40:23
over their faces like that me say why?
40:25
It's ogre Plumbing, but at least she had like a mission and cared
40:29
about her job. Absolutely.
40:31
Absolutely. And then we have Clara's final
40:35
gown. This beautiful light up.
40:39
Peace. Well, good.
40:42
I felt like tearing up when I saw this piece like, and it's
40:46
not in the film long enough. It's not in the film long enough
40:49
for how brilliant this is and she talked about this gown to
40:54
the Laughing Palace. She said Well, I have to say
40:57
that one of our Disney producers was really keen on the idea of
41:02
the layup thing and I thought, well, that's really good fun
41:09
actually. It was Ikea Christmas decoration
41:14
lights and I think they digitally enhance them, but we
41:20
took them and sold them into the costume and patterns, it just
41:25
sort of Alright, isn't it? Just a fantastic little thing.
41:29
She's in this extraordinary world?
41:31
I thought, well, that's a nice idea, but it wasn't mine.
41:36
It was one of our Disney producers.
41:39
I love how modest Jenny beavan is, and how quickly she gives
41:46
credit to, like, whoever came up with the idea, right?
41:49
You think like the, by the way, she talked.
41:51
She like, doesn't even do much but we all know that this Legend
41:55
It's just out here working hard and she's like, yeah, well, you
41:59
know, is this person? It was, it was a good idea.
42:03
Ikea Christmas lights, I love it.
42:05
I love this. Look, it is such an underrated,
42:08
look, the way they promote this movie.
42:11
I have no idea. This look even existed until I
42:14
watched it and I was like, whoa, right?
42:16
What is this is so cool. Like this is the big, it
42:21
replaces, you know, how most Disney princess they're getting
42:24
married at the end. And yeah, I was like, well,
42:27
she's not cause she didn't need a man, she needed, she needed
42:31
her soldiers. But in reality, she didn't need
42:34
a man to help her. And she's not going to need a
42:37
man to help her rule this Kingdom.
42:39
She can do all on her own and they just glossed right over
42:42
this. I'm like there's usually like a
42:44
huge wedding sequence at the end with like a whole ball and I'm
42:48
just like, come on, Disney know it's there's dangerous just
42:52
like, oh you go out and then, you know, help her back.
42:55
Her world right there. Like let us get us, get you back
43:00
to your dad, but this is like a full-on coronation look for me.
43:04
It is just, it is a good look. It is a beautiful, look Spencer
43:11
and that brings us to the end of The Nutcracker and the four
43:15
Realms. What did you think of the movie,
43:19
Elizabeth? I thought it was so much fun.
43:24
It's so cute. So cute and like, it's cute and
43:28
beautiful. And I wish it's under 2 hours
43:32
which was shocking to me. I'm like, I wish we could have
43:35
spent a little more time, developing the story but quite
43:40
frankly, all eyes were on the costumes.
43:43
Yeah, I mean, I thought this movie like the story was kind of
43:48
like Blair to me but visually the costumes carried this movie
43:53
costumes and hair and Cup like this is a visually stunning
43:58
Perfect movie story whatever. But like I said hey maybe this
44:04
is a story. All I my only reference is this
44:07
event talking vegetable movie about The Nutcracker?
44:10
So maybe we're right on track. I don't know, I don't know.
44:13
Maybe we should find a movie that like explains it better.
44:16
Or maybe. Come visit me for Christmas.
44:20
There are always theaters putting on Productions of The
44:22
Nutcracker so we could go we could go watch the ballet.
44:25
Maybe it will all make sense. So now I'm thinking about it
44:30
that way, is they don't say anything.
44:32
Do they have to figure it all out ourselves?
44:34
Oh yeah. We have to interpret the dance
44:36
Spence. Help us.
44:40
Well, what we do know is how to play our favorite game.
44:43
Elizabeth, are you ready? Yes.
44:45
Hit it. Daniel, the one costume to rule
44:50
them all. My one costume to rule them all
44:57
is Claire has lavender ball gown from the beginning.
45:02
Oh yeah. I love how it transitions.
45:05
I love what it says about Clara and it's very true.
45:09
Like, I feel like a lot of times when there is like a girl in a
45:12
movie who like doesn't care about fashion and then has to
45:16
dress up. I feel like they always make her
45:17
look uncoordinated, but Jenny time is, right.
45:21
She's like, she's from a rich family who's going to make sure
45:24
She looks good. So she looks good.
45:27
She looks coordinated. I love that Disney was like, you
45:29
know, let's get some new colors in here, and it just works so
45:33
well. I agree with you.
45:35
Such a good choice and actually up until 20 minutes ago.
45:38
That was my one costume to rule them all.
45:42
But I changed it at the last minute because I had to go with
45:47
that final like coronation. Look, that Clara was.
45:50
Yes, when I saw a lighting up walking down, I was like, how
45:54
has Disney not promoted this costume or, you know, I've seen
45:58
every single costume from this film and Exhibits.
46:02
And I've even travel to like, Seattle and I saw these
46:05
costumes, they were at the fitnah Museum.
46:08
No mention of this light up costume Disney.
46:12
This is a incredible costume. It needs more publicity.
46:16
This costume was breathtaking, to me, and I was just blown away
46:20
when I saw it, especially when I saw start lighting up.
46:23
Like are you serious? Is this is that's a great
46:26
costume. So but I will also hear you on
46:31
the lavender. Look, that, that is just a
46:33
stunning costume as well. It is.
46:36
I agree with you. Like these are neck and neck.
46:38
Yeah, I'm sticking with my lavender, but like, the light up
46:42
gown is a strong Contender, you let us know which one you think
46:47
was the one costume to rule them all?
46:48
You can leave us a voicemail at a 62, 65 1518. 826 Spencer.
46:58
What are we watching next week? Well, next week, next week is
47:03
our final episode of the year, yeah.
47:07
Season 2 finale, which feels crazy and Elizabeth and I
47:12
figured the best way to end our year as with a film.
47:15
That means a lot to a lot of us that we know costume is gonna be
47:20
incredible designed by the Ruth Carter.
47:24
What? The forever, the sequel to Black
47:27
Panther very excited to see it. I hope I'm able to watch it
47:33
through my tears, I know. But you and I both know that the
47:37
costumes for this are about to be Bumpin Bumpin.
47:42
I'm so excited. You know?
47:43
I don't cry often and I'm already like choke enough at the
47:46
trailers. So I'm like, I'm like I gotta be
47:49
prepared for that. It's gonna be so good but we
47:52
just don't like Ruth. Carter goes, Go crazy with these
47:55
costumes. Dad, we got like the lantian
47:58
costumes. This is the perfect season
48:01
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48:05
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48:47
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48:53
Like I said, we don't Know what that means, but we're here for
48:58
It. Go roast some, some walnuts by
49:02
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49:04
Go make some cookies. Yeah.
49:06
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49:08
What a sugar. Plum is not a fan, but if you're
49:11
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49:14
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49:20
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best and costume design. Sugarplum a real thing, yes
50:27
traditional sugar plum. Candy is made of dried fruit and
50:31
toasted with dried fruit, and toasted nuts with warm spices,
50:37
rolled in Sugar. Hmm, I don't want that.
50:41
No, they don't look, they don't look terribly appetizing, I'll
50:44
be honest, or are you ready to jump into it?
50:49
Yeah, I didn't I didn't pause recording.
50:51
Did you know I'm sorry. And they don't want to know what
50:55
sugarplum is to. He definitely did, you did
50:59
Daniel, I know you did. All right, I'll bring us in.
51:04
Okay.