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S4 #10 Arie's Finale · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's go. This is the Ben and Ashley I
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  Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcast with i R Radio. I'm still feeling awkward.
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  Speaker 1: I feel really weird um about this week, not only
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  Speaker 1: because I haven't been here in a while and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if I necessarily remember how to talk. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say. We also just finished one of
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  Speaker 1: the most dramatic definitely the most dramatic, but also I
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  Speaker 1: want to explain the most awkward Bachelor's show I've ever seen. Okay, Ben,
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  Speaker 1: you're there, So you just arrived the I Heart studio
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  Speaker 1: from the actual live viewing of the finale, So tell
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  Speaker 1: us how it felt with an audience around you. Um,
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  Speaker 1: it felt like this really just gasp gasping, No gasping, Um,
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  Speaker 1: a few booze, a little shock there. No, Ari wasn't there. Um.
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  Speaker 1: The part that made it interesting to me was the
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  Speaker 1: women from Ori season where there? And and we're actually
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  Speaker 1: gonna bring him in the studio because we saw him
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  Speaker 1: at at live taping of tonight's episode, and and we
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  Speaker 1: had to get them in studio to hear their um
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on this episode. I guarantee we're gonna get some fiery,
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  Speaker 1: really upset friends of Becca here in just a few minutes,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm I'm can I say I'm excited for it? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's odd. I was just with Caitlin Bristow
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  Speaker 1: watching the finale and we were like kind of laughing
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  Speaker 1: during some parts, but only because we knew that what
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  Speaker 1: was going to happen with the switchero because he was
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  Speaker 1: I don't know it was. It was never funny, but
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  Speaker 1: maybe we were a lot laughing out of awkwardness. I
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  Speaker 1: do that. I giggle. I mean, I think I think
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  Speaker 1: it's the best way to respond. I mean, when something
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  Speaker 1: so awkward, something that we should not be a part of,
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  Speaker 1: we should not have been a part of that conversation.
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  Speaker 1: So you just tweeted this, and you're now trending on
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  Speaker 1: Twitter because what was what was the actual tweet? I'm
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  Speaker 1: actually trending personally on Twitter. Um, some hate, some not,
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  Speaker 1: uh fine with it. It says how did this I tweeted?
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  Speaker 1: How did this break up end up on camera? I
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  Speaker 1: want to ask that question. I think if I had
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  Speaker 1: already sitting in studio day, my number one question to
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  Speaker 1: him is not that he made the switchero, not that
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  Speaker 1: he had to upset somebody not that he even realized
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  Speaker 1: that he made a mistake. Why was this breakup on camera?
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  Speaker 1: He answers that in the show. Why does he When
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  Speaker 1: did he answer that in the show? I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: think what we're referring to is ari. He says, I
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  Speaker 1: did this now so we don't have to do it
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  Speaker 1: on the final rows. I don't know if there's a difference. Wait,
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  Speaker 1: why was he so obsessed at getting on camera? Didn't
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  Speaker 1: I didn't watch this Mesic season, But didn't he break
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  Speaker 1: up with Melissa before after the Final Rows? He didn't
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  Speaker 1: break up with her on camera on camera, so I
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  Speaker 1: think she had an inkling, which I got the vibe
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  Speaker 1: that Becca had an inkland. Yeah, it seems like but
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  Speaker 1: I think the real thing happened then. And then he
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  Speaker 1: told what's her face? Jason Mesnick told Molly Live, I
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  Speaker 1: like you still? So I think he was trying to
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  Speaker 1: avoid that too. He wanted to get with Lauren right away. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so let's let's break down. I think this actually this
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  Speaker 1: leads to a further conversation before we continue to talk
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  Speaker 1: about this, because I understand the whole podcast and it
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  Speaker 1: should be this topic. This, this scene, this episode is
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  Speaker 1: something that we could stretch out for a whole season
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  Speaker 1: of podcasts. I believe that very much. But we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: talk about it through that throughout the next hour. Here
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  Speaker 1: I want to ask you, um, should this have been
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  Speaker 1: shown on camera? I mean definitely not. But what would
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  Speaker 1: have been the better way? The better way would him
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  Speaker 1: to break up with her and then come on after
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  Speaker 1: the funding rose and be like, we broke up during
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  Speaker 1: the time between filming and now, and then I try
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  Speaker 1: to brush something, pursue something with Lauren. It would be better. Okay, Well,
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  Speaker 1: here here's this turnaround. So you'd think of motion, you think, like,
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  Speaker 1: just for the sake of like a private relationship, you'd
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  Speaker 1: want to do it off camera. But Caitlin brought up
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  Speaker 1: a couple of good points before one. It's almost as
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  Speaker 1: if Lauren sort of needs to see this for like
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  Speaker 1: the sake of their own relationship going forward, but mostly
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  Speaker 1: Rebecca to become the bachelorette. In such a quick turnaround,
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  Speaker 1: this needed to happen. They needed to show the break up.
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  Speaker 1: The why is it? Maybe, I mean maybe Caitlyn gave
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  Speaker 1: some sid by the way, I want to hear how
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  Speaker 1: Caitlin is doing a little bit. But before I do, Um,
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  Speaker 1: why is it that is humans? Because I have to
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  Speaker 1: We're all so excited. My tweet was we shouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: a part of this conversation. I shouldn't be watching this,
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  Speaker 1: but I can't turn away. And that last hour it
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  Speaker 1: was very little momentum. Honestly, all we did was like
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  Speaker 1: watch her cry for an hour and walk around the
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  Speaker 1: house and they could have chopped that up into ten minutes,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, we did still want to watch the whole hour.
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  Speaker 1: It's horrible, is classic. Got to look at the car
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  Speaker 1: accident on the side of the road. So for all
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  Speaker 1: of you listening right now, actually are kind of recapping
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  Speaker 1: the last scene of the first after the final rose
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  Speaker 1: for this week's for the finale of our season of
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  Speaker 1: The BA Bachelor. It was a train wreck. And this
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  Speaker 1: whole season, let's start at the beginning. Um, this has
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  Speaker 1: been a really interesting season for us. We were excited
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  Speaker 1: to start The Bachelor because I think that time in
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  Speaker 1: between shows is difficult for us. We we have a
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  Speaker 1: lot to talk about. I love talking to you, actually,
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  Speaker 1: but the Bachelor is really our sweet spot. I mean
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  Speaker 1: that's where we thrive. And through this whole season it
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  Speaker 1: felt disconnected. It felt like we never quite even as
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  Speaker 1: fans of the show. We were bringing up lots of points,
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  Speaker 1: am I well then write them down? It never felt
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  Speaker 1: like we could engage. And and it wasn't because of
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  Speaker 1: the women. I think the women on our season were terrific.
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  Speaker 1: And it necessarily wasn't because of Ari, because the only
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  Speaker 1: thing we asked that Ari was to be authentic and genuine.
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  Speaker 1: But at some point, at some point in this season,
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  Speaker 1: the fans of The Bachelor and you and I agreed
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  Speaker 1: there had been a disconnect and we didn't understand why.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to hear your opinion on why this
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  Speaker 1: season never sat and and honestly, and I want you
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  Speaker 1: to go off with this. Tonight was the very first
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  Speaker 1: time I felt emotionally connected this season. Okay, so actually
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  Speaker 1: tonight made me realize what we were missing the entire time.
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  Speaker 1: It was tears. You guys are may be the first
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor who hasn't shed a tear in this entire process.
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  Speaker 1: Um during the breakup with Lauren, during that scene and
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  Speaker 1: then during the breakup with Becca, he didn't shed a
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  Speaker 1: tear in his lack of empathy is actually concerning me.
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  Speaker 1: What did you think about the way they um edited
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  Speaker 1: or not for that matter, the way they showed the
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  Speaker 1: one camera on Ari and the one camera on Becca
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  Speaker 1: with no edit, it was it was I didn't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: know why we needed that until they started walking around
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  Speaker 1: the house. But it just, honestly, the whole last hour
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  Speaker 1: was just dragged out and it didn't have to be.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much about what you were just saying actually
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  Speaker 1: that I think, um, we need to tap into. I've
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  Speaker 1: talked to a couple of people even tonight after a
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  Speaker 1: show that we're in the VIP room, and Ari had this,
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  Speaker 1: uh lack of empathy or just lack of UM. I
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  Speaker 1: think he was super authentic and incredibly genuine. I think
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  Speaker 1: he really wanted to find somebody. But there's when you
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  Speaker 1: watch him conversations and into Amy's point tonight, as we
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  Speaker 1: watch an unedited I mean, how many times we hear
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  Speaker 1: that unedited never before seeing undefeated clip on The Bachelor
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  Speaker 1: for the very I mean, I I watched Ari and
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  Speaker 1: I still just felt like he wasn't there. He wasn't
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  Speaker 1: He was like walking around soulless. It was weird. I
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  Speaker 1: don't get it. I think that's one of the things
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  Speaker 1: about The Bachelor that I always go back to is
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  Speaker 1: for weeks and weeks and weeks this show. You're breaking
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  Speaker 1: people's hearts. Jason Mesnick said it tonight on TV. He said,
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  Speaker 1: you know you are. You're breaking hearts day after day
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  Speaker 1: after day, and if that doesn't bring out emotion in you,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what else will. And it really does.
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  Speaker 1: It pulls at you. And as the Bachelor or Bachelor,
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  Speaker 1: I would tell anybody that you know. One of the
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  Speaker 1: big reasons honestly that I wouldn't I would have a
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  Speaker 1: hard time ever doing the Bachelor again will be because
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I could take the emotional toll that
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  Speaker 1: that it pulls out out of you. It puts you
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  Speaker 1: in a place that you have to heal and recover
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  Speaker 1: emotionally from months after. And I don't know if I
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  Speaker 1: saw that in Al and I can't speak to it
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  Speaker 1: because I haven't talked to him, and that is a
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  Speaker 1: very personal conversation, Hey, how did this show affect you?
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  Speaker 1: But tonight, as I watched the breakup, what I can
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  Speaker 1: say is it just didn't seem like he was there.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't understand why, because if there's one momentary,
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  Speaker 1: there's one moment that you need to be there. It's
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  Speaker 1: in that moment, it was like he was just going
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  Speaker 1: step by stepped, like with the biggest wall up being like,
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  Speaker 1: if you let yourself feel this, you are going to die,
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  Speaker 1: so you can't feel anything. I think that's a good point.
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  Speaker 1: Or do you think then that he got pummeled on
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  Speaker 1: TV by Emily that he couldn't do it again. I honestly,
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  Speaker 1: if if he ever used the excuse of Emily, um,
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  Speaker 1: I would say that. I don't know how often I
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  Speaker 1: can look back on something that happened five years ago,
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  Speaker 1: even a break up, and say that truly affects me
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  Speaker 1: that deeply to day, I would have I would have
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  Speaker 1: a hard time feeling that way. And she wasn't mean
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  Speaker 1: to him. She broke up with him. Yeah. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know the women from my season I broke up with,
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  Speaker 1: they're doing just fine. Just asked Becca. She's pretty happy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Jojo is pretty happy. Jojo is doing just fine. Um,
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  Speaker 1: the twins are, you know what I mean? The dream?
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  Speaker 1: What I thought was really interesting was that he said he,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he loved Lauren and he and he loves Becca, right,
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  Speaker 1: and it's so so hard to break up with somebody
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  Speaker 1: that you don't even love or you know someone who's
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  Speaker 1: just driving you insane, let alone somebody that you are
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  Speaker 1: currently in love with, and for him not to be
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  Speaker 1: shedding tears. It's just bizarre. It's bizarre. So that brings
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  Speaker 1: up a good point one that I want to discuss
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  Speaker 1: with the women when they get here in studio. Why
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  Speaker 1: would Ari propose? And as fans of The Bachelor would
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  Speaker 1: I would like everybody to write in to Ben and
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  Speaker 1: Ashley at iHeart media dot com let us know if
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  Speaker 1: on a Bachelor season you would be disappointed if a
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  Speaker 1: proposal did not exist at the end, or if you
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  Speaker 1: believe that a proposal should have happened on this season
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  Speaker 1: of The Bachelor. Did you see my tweet before walking
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  Speaker 1: in here? Actually I don't read everything. Okay, so you
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  Speaker 1: may be a little Twitter famous today too, But I
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  Speaker 1: did get three thousand lives on this and that's a
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  Speaker 1: lot for you, that's a lot for me. Um it says.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder why Ari didn't just say I need to
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  Speaker 1: date you both longer in real life in order to
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  Speaker 1: make this right decision. I mean, I think that's a
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  Speaker 1: great point. It was my one advice to Nick before
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  Speaker 1: he started as a Bachelor would be my one advice
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  Speaker 1: anybody starts this thing. The beauty, the beauty beautiful. The
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  Speaker 1: beautiful part about the Bachelor and Bachelor app is that
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  Speaker 1: it sets you up for one of the most romantic,
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  Speaker 1: most meaningful, uh proposals that you could ever have in
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  Speaker 1: your life. It is an incredible opportunity to get down
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  Speaker 1: on one knee, have a beautiful ringing in a beautiful location,
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  Speaker 1: and tell somebody you've that you've met on television that
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  Speaker 1: you love them. I think, I think that could be
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  Speaker 1: a really great start to a really cool story for
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  Speaker 1: the rest of your lives. But in that same token,
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  Speaker 1: in that same voice, I would tell anybody to not
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  Speaker 1: get down one knee unless you truly meant it. As
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  Speaker 1: a fan of the show and as a fan of
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  Speaker 1: love and as a fan of authentic love, I actually
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  Speaker 1: and tell me if you agree to disagree, I do
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  Speaker 1: not want a proposal at the end of the Bachelor
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor at unless I know, and I think this should
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  Speaker 1: be the standard that we set from here on out,
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  Speaker 1: that I know that couple is truly going to work
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  Speaker 1: to make it last, and like talk about a juicy finale,
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  Speaker 1: it's still juicy for him. To say I need to
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  Speaker 1: date both of you in your life. That's still unprecedented
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  Speaker 1: and it's far yeah, and then it's like, and I
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  Speaker 1: will be able to make my decision in three months
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  Speaker 1: from now on, after the final rows or something like that,
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  Speaker 1: and it would be far more respectful to both of
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  Speaker 1: the girls feelings to just extend it. And you know
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  Speaker 1: you've been dating thirty girls for the past two months.
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  Speaker 1: What's a couple more weeks dating two girls. They have
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  Speaker 1: to they have to be okay with that, right. Can
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  Speaker 1: you guys talk about this after this spot because you
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  Speaker 1: guys need to do a commercial. I'm curious what you
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  Speaker 1: think on this, And I can't take credit for this.
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  Speaker 1: Our friend Tanya came up with this theory and she
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  Speaker 1: thinks Ari went with Becca because of his brain, but
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  Speaker 1: if he went with his heart, he would have gone
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  Speaker 1: now to the questions yeah, So what Amy was talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that his heart was saying Lauren and
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  Speaker 1: his brain was saying Becca, And why would his brain? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think that leads us to the main question here.
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  Speaker 1: When did he know? And how did he know? Um?
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  Speaker 1: But do he knew pretty much right away? I bet
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  Speaker 1: you once he proposed Tobecca and then they were in
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  Speaker 1: their first set of happy couple weekends, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: you got three days alone right afterward. I bet you
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  Speaker 1: he started that debate in his head that weekend. You're
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  Speaker 1: kidding me, Well, I don't know. This is just a guess.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just think, yeah, I know right away, as in,
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  Speaker 1: like right then in that hotel room that night, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sitting here and I'm just thinking about how I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. Maybe this won't be this will
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  Speaker 1: be uh not very popular. I don't necessarily find it
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  Speaker 1: bad of Ari to say, hey, I've made a mistake.
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  Speaker 1: As humans, we are entitled to make mistakes, but we
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  Speaker 1: are also we also have the obligation when we make
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  Speaker 1: mistakes to recognize that we were wrong. Being wrong is
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  Speaker 1: a part of being human, but we have to learn
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  Speaker 1: and then move on and also within that mistake, understand
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  Speaker 1: that somebody's feelings are going to be hurt, and how
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  Speaker 1: do we best approach the situation to not try to
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  Speaker 1: hurt the feelings. More So, if we are assuming that
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  Speaker 1: already picked um Becca Um and very quickly understood that
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  Speaker 1: this isn't for me and that I still love Lauren,
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  Speaker 1: it's not bad for him to recognize that I just
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  Speaker 1: have a problem with the breakup and the breakup is
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  Speaker 1: where and the breakup being on TV. But I mean
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  Speaker 1: I remember going back to the happy couple UM a
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  Speaker 1: few days after. It's really interesting. I mean, they're a
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  Speaker 1: great thing, and the show doesn't need to do this,
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  Speaker 1: but they do this for the betterment of the relationship.
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  Speaker 1: As soon as the proposal ends, Uh, you have a
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  Speaker 1: big celebratory dinner with everybody that you know really works
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  Speaker 1: on the show. It's really fun and there's a good
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  Speaker 1: drink and there's good food and everybody's happy and there's tears,
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  Speaker 1: and I just remember that evening so well. And then afterwards, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you're alone. They drive you to a house and you're
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  Speaker 1: in a house on location wherever you spent for a
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  Speaker 1: few days, and that's your time to be a couple.
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  Speaker 1: It's so weird, but it was really natural for for
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  Speaker 1: me and my I think it's weird to wake up
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  Speaker 1: that next morning and realize there's no cameras, I don't
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  Speaker 1: have a certain time I have to get up, there's
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  Speaker 1: no other women involved in my life, and my fiance
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  Speaker 1: is now with me. I think that's weird, but it
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  Speaker 1: was very natural for us, and it was a lot
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  Speaker 1: of fun. But I remember that next day, Um, I
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  Speaker 1: told Lauren, Hey, this is how this thing went down,
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  Speaker 1: this is where my feelings were at, and this is
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  Speaker 1: where my feelings are now. And she was nothing, um
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  Speaker 1: but supportive at the time. I think as the show airs,
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  Speaker 1: it gets harder because now you have to watch it
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  Speaker 1: and hear it and see it and get asked about it. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But I could see where as soon as all the
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: cameras leave, and as soon as you are in charge
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: of entertaining each other, that maybe you would realize I
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: made a mistake. I just cannot believe that our man ari,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: that our man are let this play out the way
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: it did. He had to put his foot down. Um,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: he had to say something. And it brings me to
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: a point, actually, I want to ask you about as well.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: And then we'll get off from oris failures and hopefully
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: talk about some successes if we can find some. Um.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: There's a moment where Ari's parents are um speaking about
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: the two women, and I remember back to my time
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: on the Batchel and how much of an impact my parents,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I guess opinion mattered on my decision. Do you think
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: that Ari's parents swayed him in a certain way and
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: put too much influence onto his decision where he no
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: longer knew what he thought for himself his parents is
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: such an amazingly good question, because if you watch, they
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: said it was very close, but they liked Becca. They
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: like Becca. Well, you know what, Ben, I don't want
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: to bring up anything awkward or anything, but didn't your
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: parents say that they were a little bit swayed to
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: the Joyard decision? I was going to say that they
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: never said to me personally, they said on camera. Now
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: you know that was one of the It's famous. Now
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: one of the executive producers just in an interview about this.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: My only blow up with the Bachelor, UM never been
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: talked about before. My only blow up with the Bachelor
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: was they had my parents to Jamaica. UM. And this
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: is now a public story that was released, and I
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: have a really good relationship with the show. The show
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: has been really good to me. I want to make
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: that very clear. But uh, they had my parents at Jamaica.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: There was an interview that they did with them about,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: you know, the two women that were left, and the
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: show made it look very one sided, and I knew
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: that wasn't the case because my parents had talked to
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: me and they had said, you know, hey, we have
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: a feeling. We don't necessarily want to share it because
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: we just got to know these women, but we are
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: leaning a certain way, but we understand that we just
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: met these women, and so just know that, you know,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: whatever this works out, we think they're both really great.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: That was their advice to me. But there was some
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: very direct comments in the show that made it look
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: like they were very one sided, and it made my
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: my parents look almost um, judgmental, um. And so I
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: put my foot down. I called the show and I
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: said this is not gonna fly, um that my parents
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: didn't sign up for this, um, they shouldn't have to
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: be involved in this. And the show responded in a
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: very gracious, peaceful manner where I was fired up. Right,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: you've messed with my family and they said, let's talk
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: this through before UM, And we talked it through and
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: we came to a conclusion that hey, let's not totally
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: destroy somebody's families through this. And they didn't want to
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: do that. They were trying to accurately display the story. UM,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: but they took a little too far. And I think
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: that was the one moment that I looked back on.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: And I also remember the show being very gracious and
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: forgiving and say let's work with let's work through this,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: which I think was really great at them. But I
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: do see where families. With all that being said, I
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: can see where families have a huge impact and the
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: decision of the Bachelor, because for the first time, you
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: gotta think about this for the very first time in
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: the three months at this thing films, you are able
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: to confide in somebody that you are trusted outside of
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: the producers. And so for the first time, somebody comes
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: in and they say, here's my opinion. You're gonna listen. Yeah,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: you're gonna listen. So yeah, I think Ari's family did
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: have did have a huge impact and who he chose. UM.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I wrote down some things while you were going off
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: because I did not want to interrupt your very very
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: intuitive thoughts. Um. There was a lot of foreshadowing this
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: season about Aris kept. He kept saying throughout it, he
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm worried I'm going to make a mistake
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: or I'm gonna pick the wrong girl in the end.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: And it's just like so bananas that it was like
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: a self fulfilling prophecy. Really you think, do you think
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: he was in his own head about this the whole time?
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Can we do that as people? Can
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: we can we actually predict our decisions before him? Oh? Yes,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I think i'd to hear your both of your opinions
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: on this, and I'm going back to it again. Becca
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: was the logical choice for him, and he always sort
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: of said that she's the one that's, you know, gives
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: me a kick in my pants, she's she's confident, she's this,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: she's that, all these things that your brain says, Becca
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: beca Becca. But that's not what love is. So I
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: think that was his ultimate downfall, is that he went
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: with his brain when he was in love with Lauren.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: But she was not the easy choice. She won't be
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the easy choice. Um, Well, what's interesting to me about Lauren. UM,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and I know that this is the many freaking parallels
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: between our season. Okay, so much so sorry. Um. With Lauren,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: she didn't it wasn't everything was so on the same
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: wavelength with her, like she doesn't didn't even show like
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: much emotion in her voice when she got broken up
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: with nothing. There's no infection. There isn't that bananas. I
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: also keep saying this is been as because the thing is,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: you guys, I keep it. I have a lot of questions,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: but I don't have any answers when it comes to
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: this finale. Um. It's just it was so unbelievably unemotional
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: and lacking an empathy. Um. She even when he proposed Rebecca.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: That was the least sensation I've ever had while watching
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: a finale. Have you ever watched a finale and felt
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: so little? You've said this? I think it was when
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: we first started. Actually I found this. I'll never forget this, Um,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: because I've watched The Bachelor's Show for a while since,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: especially since my season, and I've watched it for entertainment.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I've watched it for love because I think some of
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the coolest stories come out of it. And then my
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: friends I get to see really happy. But you said
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: something in one of our first episodes. You said, when
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: it comes to a proposal, you've never not cried. Correct,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I have to didn't cry during Rachel's either, but I
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: still felt more than I felt today. You know what
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I did today? I was like scrolling on Twitter and
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: texting while the proposal is happening. And normally, if anything
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: is going to glue my eyes to that TV, it's
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: a Bachelor proposal. So there's two things that could happen there.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Either Ashley is getting insensitive and hates love, or this
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: proposal just didn't pull on the heart strings. UM, moving on,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I think for me, UM, the next topic I want
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: to bring up and invite our listeners in UM to
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: respond to, is when you watch The Bachelor, or in
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: any relationship in life, how do you know when it's
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the right person? How do you know when it's actually
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you what would be your advice
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: to any listener out there? And I think we're going
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: to speak. Let's speak just because we'll keep the theme.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: We'll speak directly to Ari right now, Ari, if you're
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: gonna give our advice? And this was four weeks ago
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: when he's trying to make this decision. How do you
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: know when you found the right person? Which person do
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: you like more than food? I know that sounds stupid,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: but I've recently you have you're not laughing, No, I've
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: recently scored. This is a great test. Actually, please please, No,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: she's not she's not laughing. She's very I'm sorry, actually
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: i'm laughing. But okay, now you're laughing because you're awkward. Wait,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: please explain. Um, I guess, like I think ask, food
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: might be like my other love of my life, like
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: the other thing I get riled up with and and
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I look forward to all day long to see. You know,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I really look forward to having my dinner. And I
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: need to be able to look forward to seeing this
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: person more than I look forward to you in my dinner.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I've never I don't even I can't even know what.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: This reminds me of a cat lady like I gotta
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I gotta find some of that I love more than
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: my cats. Then why don't you tell us how you
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: know when it's love? Yeah, I mean I just think
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: it's better than pizza. Yeah, well, I mean I give
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: what I'm actually saying. Okay, so let's let's let's say
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: that I need you to live basically, yeah, I need
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: you to be there so when you know it's the
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: right person. I've I've talked about this a couple of times. Uh.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: You know, I have an amazing family, one that I'll
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: always look back and and love and cherish, and they've
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: give me great advice throughout the years. But I remember
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: one of the one times I really needed my dad.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I looked at him and said, Dad, how do you
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: know mom was the one? And I meant this. It
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: was coming off of a breakup. I was pretty young
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: at the time, and I remember just going, Dad, you
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: would have the answer is this, how do you know
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: when they're the one that's so cute? And it's been like, uh,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: like the story you told me about you putting flowers
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: by your thirteen year old crushes lockers. Yeah see, I'm
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm a hopeless romantic. And my dad looks at
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: me and I'm like, this is gonna be great and
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: he's gonna appreciate It's just it's gonna be just like
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the food thing, and he goes, Ben, you just know.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: So I've taken that throughout the years and I'll never
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: forget it because he meant it. And if my dad
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: says something to me, especially when it's something that he
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: knows is important to me, I would like to believe
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: that there's a bigger reason and a bigger meaning behind it.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: So I'd like to break this down a little. It well,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: he I think means is when you see somebody, when
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: you're around somebody, when you feel that love for the
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: first time, it's completely different than anything you felt before.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I felt that love. My world has stopped around somebody
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: else before my my my life has completely changed in
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: an instant because of my interaction with another human. And
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: that's not happening very often, but it happened a few
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: times in my life, and at that moment, I just
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: knew that something was different, that something more existed in
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: this relations said that you felt it multiple times in
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: your life, but then how did you know that it
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: was the one? The one? The one? Actually? Do you
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: forget that? I'm also the person that told two people
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: they love I love them love, And I mean that
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: gets into a topic that we could discuss here. You know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: do you believe that there's one single person made for you?
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I personally do not do not. I personally believe UM
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: that you can have a healthy, loving, thriving relationship with
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: multiple people. UM, not at once, but there there's multiple
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: people out there. Uh yeah, I mean this is a
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: non judgment podcast. But I would say that my world
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: has stopped for two people, and at that moment, I
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: couldn't help but ask the question what does this mean
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and what does this look like for the future. And
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: so my my insight into this when we talk bachelor
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: and bachelor is I don't think you can be so
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: conflicted and feel those feelings that I felt. Okay, so
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: that's what I just wrote down. I said. The bottom
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: line is already hasn't found the one. Neither of these
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: girls are his wife. But but actually I want to
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I want to tell this, and this isn't a judgment
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: towards Ari at all, because what I'm saying is I
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: didn't know those feelings existed until I felt interesting. And
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: so if Ari had never has never felt his world
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: stopped for another person, if he's never felt that I
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: would give up my life for this moment for this person,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I would give up everything because they are that special
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: to me. If he's never felt that we can't expect
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: him to make a decision based on that. Okay, that's
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: very profound. I think love is making sacrifices for someone
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: else and they aren't sacrifices. Does that make sense. You're
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: so willing to do it that it's not a sacrifice,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: you know you're And so that's where he didn't do
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: that in this case. Yeah, And so we'll go back
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: to the beginning, like is when my dad told me, Ben,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you just know there's more to that than just then.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: You just know you there is something there that tells you,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I think, and it tell could tell all of us,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: and I would. I would ask all of our listeners
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: out there, if you've felt this feeling before, if your
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: world has stopped for another person, please write us in
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: with that story at Ben and Ashley, I heeart Meadia
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: dot com. I will tell you that for everybody out there,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: for everybody listening, I hope your world stops for somebody
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: else at some point in your life. You talk about
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: that bit fun, But we're getting flooded with emails. So
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: can I read this to you guys really quick? Because
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I'd love for you to sort of to share your thoughts.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: So this particular listener is upset because if you look
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: on Ari's Instagram, it is ugliness right now. So you know,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: So this person says the world we live is such
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: a sad place. I can't believe that it's okay to
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: write such horrible things. Um, And she goes on to say,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I called off my engagement nine days before my wedding
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: because I was still in love with my ex. I
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: assure you, I was hard enough on myself as it was.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine getting the hate that ours receiving on
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: top of this. I'm really counting on you guys to
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: be the ray of hope during this difficult season finale.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: And I think that's interesting that she can relate because
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: she was in a situation like that, and people are, Oh,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: this isn't this isn't an uncommon scenario. I mean, there's
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: people sitting in this room that's that's been in a
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: very similar situation. And I don't blame anybody that feels
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: like they have to get out of a relationship when
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: it is in the engagement stage. I don't. I don't.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not upset about Ari breaking up with Becca. And
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: we're gonna talk to Becca's friends here in a second
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: and feel see if they disagree. I think the only
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: thing is that Ari did it on TV. That is questionable.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: And then the other questionable part is should he even
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: propose to Becca in the first place? Probably not. Those
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: are the two big questions is why did he do
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: on TV? And why did he propose? Again? Please write
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: us in at Ben and Ashley iHeart Meta dot com
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: with your thoughts on why in the heck did Ari propose?
• 30:58
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  Speaker 1: watching this. I mean, I like watching it. I'm not
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: gonna lie. So I'd love for you guys to discuss
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: that the franchise had to know that they were going
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: to get flak for this, but it's the only way
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: that they could have made backup the Bachelorette. Sometimes flack
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: isn't bad. So you get people talking, um, my argument
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: in support of showing the breakup, and then last the
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: beautiful women that just walked into the studio here. My
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: my support of this is I would have been confused
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: at Becca becoming potentially the Bachelorette. I saw this breakup.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: So by seeing the breakup, I am in support behind
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Becca becoming the bachelor. I'm rooting for it. I hope
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: it happens. Um, if I didn't see the breakup, I
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have followed this story more closely. Now again, I'm
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: on the side of they just shouldn't show it at all, um,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: But I would say that's the one reason why maybe
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: the show, or shoot, maybe even are thought, let's give
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: them the benefit of the doubt, we'll stop. Maybe we
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: need to close this up with that. So we're gonna start,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: as we said, we have four of Ari's top women
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: in studio right now. We're gonna start with Tea and Caroline.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: You're prominent, prominent character. Thanks guys. Caroline, you said I
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: know what you did during Women Till All weeks ago. Um,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: that that means to me that you're pretty close to
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Becca and you may have known exactly what she was
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: going through. And at my house. Would this whoa tell
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: us everything? Um? Yes, this is a safe zone. Nobody's listening.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: No one's listening. This is okay. Galopels behind those doors,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: right Ben, I am the guy in the room, my
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Galapelo here. Um. But yeah, so it was It was
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: hard because obviously I fell in love with all these women. Um,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: you spend so much time with them, Um, when you're
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: in the house and through this whole experience, and then
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously it became very close with Becca. Um,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: and she her and Tia had come to my house
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: and Fort Lauderdale kind of like the girl pow wow,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: that's where this took place, this breakup. No no, but
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, prior to the Women tell All, I
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: had seen the raw like emotion on her face. And
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: you know, for anyone who's ever had a girlfriend crying
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: and um, you know, upset and just kind of humiliated
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: and hurt, I think anyone can relate to that. And
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I think we've all had that like you know why
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: moment and you know you kind of want to junk
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: punch them a little bit. It was like I tried.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I wasn't able to junk punch him, so I tried
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: to do it with my words. It was so Charlotte
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: and the Sex in the City movie. That's how I was. Like,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I felt so Charlotte and Sex in the City, and
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: there were so many good gifts that everyone was studying.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: To me, I was like, this is my spirit and
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: what this is. So I just could relate to that
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: a lot. And it's actually funny because when I was
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: looking at tweet one out, it was like Charlotte was
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: like I was rooting for you the whole time. And
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: and the thing is everyone kept telling me how bitter
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: I was that I didn't pick me, and like, no, bit,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: you missed exactly what I was talking about. It was
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: like that what happened here? It was, Um, it was
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: easy for me to leave when I left, because I
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: knew it was going to be back at the whole time.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: We were in the mansion still and I was like,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: you know, you're going to be the last one standing.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: And I said that to her. She was, no, you are.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: You're really sweet but like things. But I was like,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I'll put up a good fight. I was like, I
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: want to get to know him, but I was like,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if you're not his wife at the
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: end of all of this. And do you feel the
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: same way? Was it very obvious? Um? Yeah, honestly. And
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: we talked about it while we were in the mansion
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: and then after two like I don't know if we
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: got vibes from Becca, but there was just something there
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: and we kind of knew that they had that undeniable connection. Yeah,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't stop me from falling for him too, But
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, did you see the same thing with Lauren? No,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: not at all. But the thing is is like, we
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: weren't as close with Laurence, so I'm sure you know, Kendall,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: you were closer with her, so I'm sure that you
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: saw that connection developing. You know, we were. I got
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: close with Lauren at the end, and she was still
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: like a still trapped about everything. Yeah, she had her walls,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: seen has something to say, She's reaching for a Mike
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: does my mom just went off for a ramp about.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: So I actually noticed their connection like in Fort Lauderdale,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: and I could see that he Lauren. I told Lauren
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: in Paris that she was going to be in the
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: top two. And I think you guys can all see
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: the way that he looks at Lauren. So I mean,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I think there was a period of time where his
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: connection with that kind of it wasn't really there. After
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: you left, it wasn't really there. They go and her
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: confidence completely dropped. It's funny because you know, you watch
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: it back, and you know I love Becca and you
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: know I was able to see that in the firsthand,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: but then you go back and you watch it and
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: he was very much in love with Lauren the whole time.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: And I I'm not mad that he, you know, had
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: to make decisions like hey, do you follow your heart?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not here to tell you how to love
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: like that. Sometimes loves messy like that is what it is.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I just think like you've handled it like such a
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: douche bag, Like is that what you mean? Towards the end,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Like I mean, the thing is is he was conflicted,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: very much so as we all saw, and like that's fine,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: you have two amazing women in front of you, Like
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: that's hard, but don't propose to somebody and take something
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: that to me is so special and kind of just
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: make a mockery of it. And he only showed compassion
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: for Lauren. Yeah, it was He wasn't there ever anything,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: no emotion. It was all about Lauren. I want to ask,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: and we have kindle Cien u T and Caroline and
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: studio whoever feels most comfortable or confident answering this question.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: We we've spoke many times in the podcast. We didn't
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: get to see a lot of Lauren. Um, we understand
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: he liked her until the very we understand there's a
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: connection there. But if one of you could explain exactly
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: where that can where that connection was coming from. What
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: about Lauren really inspired or created that chemistry between r
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: if you can explain it in words smiling like she's
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: like still kind of unsure. I feel like it's a
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: This may be an assumption for me to say, but
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like he had to work harder for her
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: and it's like a thrill of the chase. Yeah, is
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: that a thing? I don't know. I don't know what
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: you think. Um, I don't think it's a chase. I mean,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I think Lauren is an amazing person. She's someone that
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: reserves herself for people that she really cares about, I
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: mean a lot to her. I don't think she was
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: trying to play hard to get at all. I think
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: she was just afraid to open up, and what she
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: did it was that much more special. She wasn't playing
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: hard to get, but he had he had to try. Yeah,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: And so I think that that's kind of what makes
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: him more invested. I think I think he appreciated that
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: she wasn't just throwing herself at it. I think that
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: he liked that she wanted to make sure before. I
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: don't I wouldn't really see us a chase. I'd more
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: so see it not on purpose. It's not like it's
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: a game to her. But challenge. Yeah, I well, yes,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: I mean love is always somewhat of a challenge, right
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: for challenging ourselves in so many different ways. But um,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think the reason why he likes her more
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: chose her at the end because it was a no,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: not that. But that's like I feel like, to be honest,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: who knows what that guy is thinking? So kindall we
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: we one person that we have not heard from during
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: this whole kind of fiasco. At the end, as you
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: and you you know you were You've only been let
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: go for a week now, you had true feelings for Ari.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Um how are you dealing with everything after watching this
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: back and also knowing that you did have feelings for
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: this man and that you are friends with them that
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: he ultimately you know, chooses, Um, how are you doing? Um?
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: I feel I don't know. I think watching it gave
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: me a lot of closure. In the beginning, is really
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: difficult to watch episodes and to see him have strong
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: relationships with other people, because when you're in it, you
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: feel like you're the most special person to him. I mean,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: how can you not because there's so many other there's
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: you just don't see his connection with everyone else. Um.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: But after watching it, I especially felt a lot of closure.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Closure When I saw his date with Lauren in Paris,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: it just made so much sense to me, and I
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: think after that moment I kind of stuffed back and
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this makes sense. This makes sense
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: to me, And um, I feel like I just kind
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: of I don't know, I just feel like I healed
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: so much watching him fall in a weird way. That's
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: that's deep. Um, So you're such a good person, guys.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Becca m said this week she's pretty outspoken, and she
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, he's not that she's on fire. Um. Yeah,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: So she said that she doesn't expect him to stay
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: with Lauren either. What do you guys think about that?
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: What is the charity that we are home has running here?
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Who are we donating money to? Choice? So I don't
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: think we know yet but Chris Harrison's choice. But earlier
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season, Jeff made a joke
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: on Twitter that if about donating to charity, buddy, put
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: your money where your mouth is. Yeah, it was a
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars. I think it's about five five too.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: If Ari spent over a year with his winner, he
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: will donate five thousand dollars to Chris Harrison's charity of choice.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I think should have to donate now, Like, well, anyway,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: you guys don't want to know what you have to think?
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Like if if you chose another girl before you ended
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: up choosing the girl you apparently now want to spend
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: the rest of your life with. Do you think that
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: there's any chance for them? Um? Yeah, I mean, look
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: at that other guy, Jason Mesnick. I mean, what a
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: success story. They've got a kid, like that's not a
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: fake kid, that's a real kid. Two kids, eight years
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: of marriage. The thing is is, Um, honestly, I I
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: want them both to be happy, like at the end
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: of the day, like I don't want to Yeah, like
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I hope your marriage burns like I don't. I don't
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: want that friend buddy, like, I want them to be
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: happy like well, honestly too after seeing that that's the
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: most like thoughts and emotions and feelings that he had
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: about anyone this whole time, was I mean about Lauren?
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: So I think she really does mean something to him.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I just I'm kind of just mad that he put
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Lauren through that as well. Um, and he like let
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: her walk through. Okay, that is a long walk down
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: to that little proposal site, not easy in heels on
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: the grass. Rude. He would never do that if you
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: really love somebody, Okay, I personally think that Ari would
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: have changed his mind if he chose Lauren first he
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: would have gone to Becca. I don't think he would.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Let's let's sit on this. Anybody listening, if you agree
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: with seeing right now, please right into Ben and Ashley
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: at I heart meaty dot com. If Ari was to
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: choose Lauren initially, would he have switched to Becca? Do
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: you agree or just agree? And why don't be ashamed
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: to write a either? Well, so throughout the season we
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: were talking earlier in the podcast, he did seem to
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: like foreshadow all of this. He was like, I'm just
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: so afraid of making the wrong decision. But I've never
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: heard a bachelor say stuff like that like that before.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I think he just says what he thinks he's supposed to. Well,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: after the way that he handled it with Becca, he
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: wanted to get tears from her, and that shows that
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: he would have done the same thing. Well, I mean,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: you saw how his dad was and he was like,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Oh this maybe that I don't know, this maybe that
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know. What do you want to do today?
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Don't go in on Ari's dad. I'm
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: not going in at him. I'm just saying the apple
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: doesn't fall far. It's hard to make decisions in that family.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Clearly he couldn't. Ultimately, I don't think we're upset at
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: the fact that he's with Lauren. Yeah, I think we're
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: mad at how he handled Becca, and I don't really
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: want to stray from I don't want to put down
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: his Lauren's relationship. That's not what this is about. It's
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: about saying he should have and we have so much
• 46:03
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• 46:07
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  Speaker 1: women on the hot seat. I know you have some
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: good questions for him. Okay, so enough analysis of the
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: actual show. I need to know what you guys know
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: that everybody doesn't know, like the timeline. I need to
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: know why. Yeah, so when was that break obscene taped
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: early January. January January. That's so recently it's mind boggling.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: And confirm or deny this had Ari slid into Lauren's
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: d M s before that breakup occurred. He slid into
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: her m that's a yeah, he slid into verse and
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: he liked a photo which we were like, he liked
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: right after the proposal, like within November December, when Becca
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: and him were still good, he had liked a photo
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: and she was like, Oh, that just feels kind of
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: weird that he was very weird in he was was
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: he following her? No, which is the weird parts of
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: he was searching for her and like speaking it out. Oh,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Kendall totally has dirt. But she's going to be a
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: good friend right now. She's such Candles. I'm a better
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: person when Candles around because she is such a good person.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: She's like the female Uncle Gary for me. Uncle Gary,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: So I also so bad. It's like, oh, you want
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: to talk about secrets, Okay, I'll tell you guys. Okay, yeah,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: so tell me more about the timeline. So then, like
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: when did Becca revealed to you guys that he had
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: broken up with her? Well, I had revealed to Becca
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: before Becca we were we were asking Becca how she
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: was doing. What was you were with Lauren when A
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: called her on New Year's That's right, I heard about
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: a New Year's phone call. So he couldn't stop thinking
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: about Lauren and got to call her on New Year's
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: to see how she was. Apparently, yeah, like not at
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: the premiere New Year's Eve, night of the print, like
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: New Year's Eve, not at the premiere. We were in Dallas,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Lauren and I were together, Like, she was the first
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: person I saw after filming. Um, so we knew we
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: were going to get to hang out and then watch
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: the premiere together at Adams in Dallas with Raven and
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: apt And he reached out and on social media and
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: he just kind of said, hey, like I still got
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: some stuff going on, like I can't shake this. I
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: can't shake you, like I want us to talk. And
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: he he told Lauren that Becca knew about this. Oh
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: but did she? Caroline? She so, um my, I'm one
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: of my great girlfriend's. Audre is dating Brad Smith, who
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: was the original Bachelor in Canada, and so it's weird
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: like little Bachelor world connection. And so I was staying
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: at her house and she was like, oh my gosh,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: how is back to doing. I was like she's great,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Like life's good whatever, you know, thinking like all is
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: well in their little world. And she was like, oh,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Brad said that they broke up. And I was like, no,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: like she would have told me that, like she we're close,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: she would have told so I like FaceTime her. She
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: has an answer, and so I'm like, hey, like, um,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: are you okay? Just like just want to check and see, like, um,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: like just call me whenever you can. So she faced him.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: She's like why what's going on? Like what did you hear? Like?
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: And I was like like, are you guys still together?
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: And she was like yeah. And then she kind of
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: got like a little tiara and she's like what are
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: you talking about? And I was like, oh, I just
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: like I had heard to me and I didn't tell
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: her like where I had heard it from. It was
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: just like, oh, it's probably like stupid. So already had
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: talked to this Brad Smith guy. I don't know who
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: he talked that. I don't we talked to too many people.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: He talked to too many people. He didn't talk before
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: I had heard through the grape vine is the worst thing.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: So all these other people knew and then so I'm
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: like and she's like, no, everything is fine. He didn't
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: dump her. What we watched tonight happened days later. So
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: it's like you everybody knew before her, Like myself included, like,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: how did I hear about that before she did? Like
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: that's just wrong. I know, just watching him talk to
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: the camera in interview like, Okay, this is what I'm
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: going to go do now. I was like he was,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: and he said, let's go do this. Also, I wonder
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: if he would have made the same decision if Lauren
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: didn't agree to take him back. Okay, So that was
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: held that conversation go. And did she affirm that she
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: didn't listen? Okay, so she must have affirm that she
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: would get back together with him. I don't know if
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: it was then, but obviously they continue to talk after
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: that point, right, and then I don't think it would
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: have ended things with Becca had Lauren not agreed to
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: be in a relationship with at least put up. I
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: hope that if well, I mean I hope at some
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: point he would have ended things with Becca. I mean,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: did you see this coming? Any of you take Lauren
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: out of the picture for a second. Would this have
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: happened either way, Like, would the breakup of still existed
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: or do you feel like that this happened. Lauren is
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: the reason that it happened. I feel like, I don't
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: know what that guy has got going on upstairs. I don't.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: I think I think it's because he had Lauren in
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: his mind and he felt like maybe Lauren was his
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: true love and he had missed that opportunity. That's probably
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: the reason why they had broken things off. That he
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: broke off with Becca. Hate always go back to Gray's Anatomy,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: but I don't go back to So there's this one
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: episode where like Lexi is helping some lady write her
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: book and she is like dating Jackson, and Jackson on
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: paper is like the good guy, and he's like like logically,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, like that's the guy, and the ladies like, no,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: she's supposed to end up with like this, like panhandler
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: or something stupid like that, and she's like, no, but
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: that's in the story. I don't know, watch the episode,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: I'll find it. But she in that moment realized he's
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: like Mark Sloan is the guy who she's supposed to
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: be with. It doesn't make any sense, but like that
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: connection is there. And tonight when I was watching the episode,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's what happened with Lauren. Um, I
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: think like Lauren, you know, maybe didn't make sense. And
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: his family saying, oh, Becca is good for you and
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: she's right for you in so many ways. But he
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: was very clearly in love with Lauren. But it's just like,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: just I mean, don't do that to my friend. I
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: don't know, did that, Grace make any sense? I'm sorry, Well,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: we talked about Grays all the time on this podcast.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: I've never seen an episode and actually either goes back
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: to Gray's anatomy, Sex in the City or the Jonas brothers. Well,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Lexie and Mark were mentally Trinity. Okay, so let's go okay.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: So then Lauren was on board getting back together with Ari.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Now let's fast forward to how they're doing. Now, how
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: is Becca doing? Now? Do you think presumably her being
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: the bachelorette will take pain away from the situation. I'm
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: gonna make the announcement now and say that Becca has
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: to be the bachelorette. There's no question. Let's yeah, let's
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: assume and that If Becca isn't the Bachelorette tomorrow night,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: it will be the biggest letdown. Let's talk about two
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: emotional nights. Um yeah, uh, no fence to any of you.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: But after seeing Becca come through a we just said
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: it earlier that this season had I think ten women
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: who could easily be I went home week four, So
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. I'm not saying
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: the top ten. I'm just saying ten. I'm just saying
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: I was never in the running. But I think after
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: watching the breakup, after watching Becca put her heart out there,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: I think we all can agree, um that she's probably
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: going to be the bachelorat She is one of the
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: best people. Um, she's quirky, she's funny, she's like so
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: open to be like I'm a nerd like, but she
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: she loves hard and she really puts her heart out there.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: And also the way that she handled herself tonight with him,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: like she obviously at some point she ended up crying,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: but she didn't cry at first. She was pretty matter
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: of fact interesting and she kind of handled him the
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: way that she handled Ross when Ross showed up, kind
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: of like I'm not interested, Like Ross is a douche, Yeah,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: a cheater. Tell us more people are like, oh, seems
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: a cheater, cheater, pumpkin eater people that that. Uh. Let's
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: ask Sienna and Kindle. Do you think, because I know
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Tia and Caroline probably have their feelings here, do you
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: think Becca is emotionally ready to be the Bachelor at
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Because I mean we start that starts filming next week.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: So do you think she's ready to be the Bachelor?
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: And why? To both of you? After watching it tonight,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I think that she is um and speaking to her
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: and I've spoken to her and texted with her, I
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: think that she is. I think that when someone does
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: something that extreme. I'm sure there were a lot of tears,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: but I feel like she was able to kind of
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: close the book on that. And luckily their relationship wasn't
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: that long. It was three months total. They're not it's
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: not They're like seeing each other every day every other
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: weekend because they get to have their happy couple weekend,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: happy happy, Right, She's ready? I think so. I think
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: when I spoke with Becca last she what she had
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: to say about Lauren and Ari was that she wish
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: isn't the best and that she wants them to be
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: ultimately happy, to find happiness with each other, so she
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: doesn't have any hard feelings about it. I know it
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: was hard for her, but she still wants them to
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: be happy, and I feel like her happiness just makes
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: so much sense. She'll have thirty rebounds. I don't want
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: to agree with me that when you say I wish
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: you the best, you're really saying please go after yourself.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Said anything to somebody like I wish you the best,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: it means I'm going to punch you in the face.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: I hate you. I can see that's as the subtext.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: How is Becca feeling about being broken up in the
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Happy Couple? Sweet? Like she was? That was an answer?
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Come on now, I mean she told us she was
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: completely blondsided, like he showed up with no luggage and
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: she knew something was up. How exploited did she feel? Um?
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I don't think she was mad
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: at like the show. I know everyone's like, oh, you know,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: the show shouldn't have done that. Um. I mean, I
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: think we'll kind of sign up for this very public
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: thing here, you know's very interesting. We kind of and
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, there would have been all these
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: questions that you know, everyone would want to know and
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: all these things and answered and people keep asking me
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: like what did are do? I kind of needed this
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: so people can get off my back. Yeah, I all
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: noticed that she slips the ring off halfway through the
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: breakup because the ring is like so gigantic in our face,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: and then she realizes it and she like slips it off,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: like and she said, I'm so embarrassed. I was like, Oh,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: can we talk about how terribly already handled that? Like
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: that was emotionless? Ben and I already did talk about this,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: but his lack of empathy in that moment was just
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: for someone he loves, like I know, And where did
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: that go? That it had been two months? You guys,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: he had never cried. He didn't she no, no, he
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: cried and went Becca and she went he cried, but
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: then he dumps his fiance and nothing nothing, And Stone
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: called Steve Austin, Man, Okay, let's start with um seeing
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna go around the room in counterclockwise order.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: We're gonna go seeing Caroline Tia Kendall, how did seeing
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: how poorly did Ari handle the breakup with Becca? And
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: so what we talked about a little bit ago in
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: the podcast and for anybody listening will catch up as well. Um,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: you know, we aren't that upset with Ari for figuring
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: out that, hey, he loves somebody else. We get that
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: that happens. We're as humans were allowed to make mistakes.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: What we think the biggest problem with this so far
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: and what really America is in an uproar about on Twitter.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's still trending at number one right now
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: or a few hours after the finale aired, is why
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: did you do on TV? How poorly did he handle this?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: And why did he propose is somebody when his heart
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: was torn for somebody else? So let's start with seeing
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: in the final scene that we saw in tonight's episode,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: how poorly to our handling? Or maybe feel free to
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: say how amazing he handled the situation. I mean, I
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: don't think any worse like that was one of the
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: most painful things I've ever watched. He didn't have any
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: words he should have left. He wanted to get tears
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: from her, He wanted to get her to say that
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: she loved him. It was really disgusting. In my opinion,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: I'm glad he did on TV because I think it
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: shows kind of um, a little yeah, a little bit
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: of who he is. And it's sad, and it's sad Rebecca.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: But also you know, she handled herself really well, so
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: I think it did her some favors in now. I
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: mean he kind of showed his ass. Sorry, Ari, but
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: you did. And it's funny that he was like, hey, like,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: can I stay and talk? And then the son of
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: a bitch doesn't say a word and just stares at her. Well,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: she cries like he just wanted to comment, were real quick?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I want to Carolin, I want to interrupt you. I
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: found that so weird. Is the lingering part, like is
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: that a common thing? And breakups? I don't know if. Well,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: my ex and I lived together for two weeks after
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: we broke up, and we broke up on Valentine's Day
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: and then still had Valentine's Day dinner and he bought
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: me flowers and we slow danced in the kitchen. It
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: was weird. So no wonder why this all. We'll call
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: you next week for the next podcast questions. You know,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: the thing was it was, you know, we were we
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: knew it was over, and we respected the relationship for
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: what it was, and you know, we we had our closure,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: and I think that that was what it was. It
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: was definitely complicated, but there wasn't any like let me
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: throw things at your head. It was like, hey, like
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: this is over, and um, I was definitely heartbroken and
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: we cried together and we talked about things and so
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: watching um. Granted, we were together for two years and
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: that's not how long this was, but at the end
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: of the day, it's like you were engaged to this person.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: So for me to watch him sit there and say, hey, like,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: let's talk and he just literally wants to sit there
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: and watch her suffer. It's like a kid on aunt
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: hill with a magnifying glass. It's like you didn't say anything.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: You didn't give her any closure. She said I loved
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: you like you know, I really loved you, And he
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: could have said I loved you too, like you said
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: that to look like you know what I mean? If
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: he didn't give her anything to kind of UM, I
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: don't know. I just felt like he was. It felt
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: very loveless, It felt very cold. And he's just an
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: ass hat. That's no other way to put it. Really,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: what do you what do you think about her? Are
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: the asset? I love alliteration. Let's talk about it. Honestly,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that Becca kind of called him out a
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: little bit, and I was like, hey, if you're having
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: such a hard time with this the morning of, why
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: would you even propose it? All? Um? He I mean,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: he deserves to be called out like that. And I
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: don't know. I left the show, um, I mean obviously
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: very emotional. And I even got home and was like, man,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: he was such a great, kind, genuine person and didn't
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: have a negative thing to say about him, And after
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: all of this, it just made me kind of question
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: who he really is. We were for a little bit, yeah, like, yeah, yeah,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: I understand it's hard to get to the end of
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: this thing and have two people that you're in love with,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: But he could have handled himself so much better. So
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you, guys, what we were talking
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: about the top of the show. Do you think that
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: we I know I'm gonna get to I'm not gonna
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: get to Kendall, but I think I want to move
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: this into Kendall. Get your feedback from this too. Do
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: you think that he just should not have proposed in
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: the end and said, hey, I want to date both
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: of you for a little bit longer date would no no, no,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: time's up. Kendall. Going into this whole thing, he didn't
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: really have Bachelor Nation on his side. I think that
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: he was really pressured to have that happy ending that
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: one really expects the bachelor to have. I mean, if
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: you don't get proposed or proposing him at the end
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: of this, people kind of hate you. And I don't
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: think that's his fault. I think I think he felt
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: like he had to try to win over some of
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor Nations because they wanted to have that fairy
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: tale happy because he was not Peter, and that's kind
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: of what it was. Though it was. I mean, it's
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: heartbreaking to know that he felt so in secure going
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: into that um and I feel like he so badly
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: wanted to please everybody that maybe he didn't think about
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: anyone other people's feelings. He wanted to do this a
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: choice that made the most sense at the time. He's like, well,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: even though he didn't know if he should have proposed
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: or not, he felt like he had to have that
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: happy ending to the peace everyone else. That makes sense.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that I want
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: to get away from the Bachelor Bachelor is I know
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: how real and authentic this show can be. And we
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: talked about a little bit ago and my advice to
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: any future bachelor or bachelor, and who knows some people
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: in this room, you still have a chance. If it's
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: not this year, could be next year. If it is,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: it could be tomorrow. I don't know. Um I think
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: you're all just like expecting it to be like a
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Shan Lowe, you know what I mean, Yeah, just like
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: what happened with that Umore. But I'd like to get
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: away from the force proposal because I want to see
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: authentic love. Uh. You know one thing I noticed with
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: R this season, he wore a lot of blue. I
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: don't know if anybody else saw that. Can we all
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: agree we're a lot of blue? Yeah? I didn't. He
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: looks good and gray. He looks good in color. I
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: think Ari needs to go shopping, and I have some
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: advice for him. How about Leto. Leto is great value
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: and it's really easy to use. Okay, So I went
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: to the mall and didn't find anything. Last week I
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: went shopping. I never go shopping. I was looking for
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: some clothes for tonight. I wasted two hours of my
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: day and couldn't even find what I was looking for. Frustrating.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: We call that so frustrating. I was just looking for
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: my basic suit, a little light blue nothing more. Does
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: that even exist anymore? My only options were super dark grays,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: gray suit or a black tuxedo. That's absolutely ridiculous. I
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: need to find a suit. If only I had Litote, Yeah, Ben,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: because if you did, if if there was a Litote
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: for men, and us girls were really lucky. Because we
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  Speaker 1: repeating I love that, I wish I looked to. Actually, Actually,
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  Speaker 1: how much fun? Yeah, oh gosh, dang it, that was
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: I love that. I like that? Um, actually, how much
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  Speaker 1: fun has it been having these four women in studio
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  Speaker 1: with us? So? I mean, I can see the glow
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  Speaker 1: on your face. You absolutely love talking about this. I
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: love talking about I love talking about with people that
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: have been there. Are any of you, uh not happy
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: that you did the Bachelor? I wouldn't undo it for anything? Why? Um?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, look around, like, I have all these amazing
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: friends here and yeah, it's messy and it's weird, and
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  Speaker 1: we all chose to do this crazy little bachelor WORL
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  Speaker 1: didn't a lot of people don't get it. And they
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  Speaker 1: think it's like so anti feminist, but um, these women
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  Speaker 1: are also incredible and I'm so inspired by them daily
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  Speaker 1: and like you know what I mean just being around
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  Speaker 1: all of these women, like I I'm a better person
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: for it. And I left with some bride'smaid So, um,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: I have some lifelong friends here. And you are you engaged?
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Are you getting married too? Said I'm my hypothetical wedding.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Du like you don't have a like you don't have
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: a pinterest. It seems like paradise. Um, yeah, Caroline is
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: gonna go for it. Caroline, if I mean I want
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: to start, actually, let's start back. I like this order,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: seeing we're gonna start with you, uh, counterclockwise? Who would
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: have been? It was? Are your ideal bachelor? Were you
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: hoping for him? And if not him, then who would
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: you have rather had? Um? Well, I did not know who?
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  Speaker 1: Are you lined? Like Junior was where they announced him, saying,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: so there was no way he was my ideal bachelor. Um,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be Peter, So you know
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: I was excited about that, but you know I still
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: agreed to do it. I wouldn't been excited if it
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: was you as well. Oh, my god, here you go.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Everybody got told me at me for not talking about it.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: You told me today that he was like in the running,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: and then I was like, damn it all, what you do?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: You screwed us all over, Bend I had a podcast
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: to do. We we actually have a couple of emails
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: here that I wanted to read and seeing kind of
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: led into it. Well, and then we'll continue with the
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Caroline situation. I don't think we liked each other as
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: much if we actually had a good guy to fight over,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: because we would have been like, oh yeah, really think
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: before I ask, do you think because you didn't have
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: the connection with r I mean you did have a
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: good connection with Ari Kendle you did as well. Um,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: but with the two of you, say if if maybe
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: you had a guy that you felt a little stronger for,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't have built the friendships you had. No, I
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: would say for the reason why I liked Ari some
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: because he was someone that I wouldn't have dated before
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: he was very He's just he's like a unique relationship
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: that I hadn't experienced, and I think I found out
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: so much more about love and more about myself and
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: what I wanted in a man because of him. Yeah,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like a normal thing for
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: us to have a complete disconnect from our from our
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: relationship with Ari and our friendships. I don't know. I
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: feel like we just all kind of clicked from the
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: beginning and like supported each other somehow and build each
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: other up. And I don't know if it would have changed,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: if it would have been more competitive, had been agree
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: you guys, everybody in this room is hitting on Bed
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: and I don't know whether to keep it going. Do
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: you know I've wondered even after tonight, because I do
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: know Peter, and I like Peter. I mean, and I've
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with Peter. I know he's
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: gotten some flak here over even this season for some
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: of the stuff that happened with his ex girlfriend. Do
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: you all still feel like Peter would have been a
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: better choice, Yes, if he wasn't ready, though I don't
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: know what he wasn't ready. Good point. Good point, you
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: guys who would have gotten crazy over Peter? I would have.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I would have been intimidated. I think
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: I too, like it was just enough nerdy to make
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: me feel comfortable stepping out of my comfort zone. I
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: think I just always kind of get friend zoned because
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm right about yeah, you are not anymore.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Actually actually gets so nervous around Peter. It's it's absolutely
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't know I was cool around him. He said
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: he would date me. Remember, actually I remember the very
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna defend her because she's my girl, and
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: that is true. That is true. Thanks, Kendall. Would you
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: have preferred it to be Peter? Come on, be honest, Um,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: she can't do it. There's something that I liked about
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: going into an experience where I didn't know who the
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: guy was. And I think everyone has all these expectations
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: of who Peter is and he's this guy that everyone
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: fell in love with. Um, But I liked going into
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: it without knowing who already was and I hadn't seen
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: his season, So I think in that way, I didn't
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: have any expectations and I was allowed to just love
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: how I normally love was supposed to make up a
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: whole love story in my mind before I actually met
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: a guy. So I didn't watch that season though, because
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: I had they already called me and be like, hey, like,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: you're kind of on the works for this, so I
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: wanted to be I wanted to go into it without
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: any expectations. I didn't want to be like, hey, do
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: you have any siblings, and then I'm like, I watched
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: your hometown, I know everything about you, Like you know
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: what I mean. I wanted to have them my questions
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: come from a genuine place and try and treat this
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: crazy little process as natural as possible. That's what I'm
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: definitely real. It was so weird going into what I
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: didn't expect this. I didn't expect to have any real feelings,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: and I feel like I was pleasantly surprised with how
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: much I was able to open up. That's what I
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: answer to everybody who askeds the Bachelor real? I go, well,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: all the feelings are genuinely real. I want to end
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: this podcast with a bang, so we're gonna do one.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: Let's clarify, Actually, there's there's a lot of people in
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: the room. Okay, I want to end it on a
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: very juicy note, So I'm going to read this email
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: from Ali. Um. Hey, Ashley, I I am so disappointed
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Cianne came on and you didn't even mention that Ben
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: said he consider going on the Bachelorette if she was Cianne.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: I need to know, we all need to know, would
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Ben do that or would they go on a date
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: in real life? Well, I'm sorry, guy. The only reason
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't address this on the podcast last week is
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: because when I was doing Women Tell All interviews for Access,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: I asked then and I got the answer, and she
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: said that she would go on a date with Ben
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: in real life off camera. So now so now we
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: have both of them on the mike and I'm just
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: gonna let them hash it out of here. So yeah,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: this is kind of how I'm sure you guys feel,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: kind of similar to how I felt watching the breakup tonight,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: is like you don't belong in this conversation, but yet
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: for some reason, you're sitting here in this room. Um,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: what a great, great question. Everybody feels awkward except for
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: me here, Um, so what a great question. One is Ashley,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: I was a little frustrated that you didn't bring this
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: up last week. Also, yeah, I was like, you know what,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: We've talked about it all season. We we've had crushes
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: on this podcast with multiple people from from this season.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: We think this season was full of amazing women. I
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: think many girl crushes on so many girl crushes. Um,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: but c N stood out because I think the class
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: and the intelligence and the beauty, especially throughout the whole season,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: was really like this, this is something special, you know,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: this is this is somebody that could definitely lead this
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: franchise and also some of that any guy would be
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: lucky to be with. So we said it. I think
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: a few weeks ago that if if c N at
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: the time, we really thought this, this is gonna happen.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: This expense actually so excited. Um, we said a few
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: weeks ago CN was announced as the Bachelorette, would I
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: go on the season? There would not be many people
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: that I would go onto the Bachelorette before again, actually
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: it would be really hard for me. But hypothetically, of course,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: I think, of course I would go on the Bachelor,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: and I think a lot of guys from what I
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: understand from this franchise, would go on the Bachelorette. But
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: you don't have to go on the Bachelorette. But that
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: was the question. Um, if she happened to be tied up,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: he would fight for her. We would fight for it.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say. Well, no, but
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: you know, and that goes to to everybody in this room.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: We've yeah, are you're just saying this because you know
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: she's not the bachelor right now? This is an easy
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: way out of it. Ben, Well, there's no easy way out.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: I met every word I said. I said that weeks
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: ago before we knew that, um, and we still don't
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: know that she could be thrown us for a loop here. UM.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: You know, for all that was said about Ari and
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: and all that, um, we we might feel a little
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: disappointed in I think this season. Uh, I felt disconnected
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: at times, and it was nothing to do with anybody
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: in this room. I don't even know if what was
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: to do with Ari. I just think that this season
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor had a different element to it, one that
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: maybe nobody can understand completely. But all we can really
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: hope for from this point forward is that whoever are
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: ends up with that it is real and that it
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: is true, and that whoever the bachelorette is steps into
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: next week's um start and find somebody that now can
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: fulfill hopefully this void that she has now suffered. Uh,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: and my assumption is suffered because of Ari. UM. I
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: guess either way, it's probably gonna be because of Ori.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: But with that said, this season had some of the
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: best women that we've ever seen in this franchise. So uh,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: kudos to all of you. Um, we get while you're friends,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: and thank you for making uh this podcast a little
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: easier each week, UM because of the way you handed yourselves.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you for carrying the show for us guys. It
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: was very entertaining and uh, you guys. I want to
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: say that we will be back on Wednesday. Ben makes
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: it seem like this is the last time we're gonna
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: be talking about you guys, but that's not the case.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: We will be back on Wednesday talking about after the
• 1:18:46
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• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: and we love all the ladies in this room. It
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: has been so nice to be back in studio. It's
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: late at night, it's ten o'clock in Los Angeles. It's
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: been a big day, UM, but we cannot be happy
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: to be at our Heart Studios doing this podcast. With that,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: it's going to be back. I've been been, I've been Ashley,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: I've been Cienne, I've been Caroline, I've been Toya. Now
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: I've been Kendall. We'll talk to you soon. Bye. Follow
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