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Female Trouble · Cuff’s Basement

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  Speaker 1: Before we continue, we'd like to add a quick note
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  Speaker 1: regarding the film Pink Flamingos. While it's often associated with
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  Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus culture and underground cinema, viewing or enjoying the
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  Speaker 1: film is not indicative of any particular sexual orientation. Additionally,
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  Speaker 1: the co host on this podcast, Ryan identifies as heterosexual,
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  Speaker 1: and his references to the film should be understand I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: should be understood in that context as part of a
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  Speaker 1: broader cultural conversation rather than a reflection of Ryan's sexuality
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  Speaker 1: or personal identity.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening.
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  Speaker 1: Talking always like a lost culture chaos and new same.
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  Speaker 2: Wing like a lost christ stream.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so you've made it this far, you've made
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  Speaker 1: it through Pink Flamingos. I don't know if you're still listening.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just yelling at a wall right now. I've made
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  Speaker 1: the reference before where it's like wet, hot American summer
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  Speaker 1: where the kid who is running the radio station it's
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  Speaker 1: not plugged in. So we are back, continuing the John
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  Speaker 1: Waters Pride Month podcast series starring me, Ryan, Mark Fulcini,
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  Speaker 1: and Rafall. Thank you for listening, and we have Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'll do applause. Oop, that was the laugh laugh track. Sorry, lad,
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  Speaker 1: That's enough of that, all right. We are moving forward
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  Speaker 1: in the Trash trilogy, the first film being Pink Flamingos
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  Speaker 1: and the second film is called Female Trouble. Now, who
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  Speaker 1: picked Female?
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  Speaker 3: This is my pick?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, this is the nineteen seventy four film starring Divine
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  Speaker 1: Mark I will pass it to you.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, So Female Trouble the reason why I picked it,
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  Speaker 4: It's just the first one that popped in my head
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  Speaker 4: when we were kind of talking about this and I
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  Speaker 4: was wondering why I had this connection to Female Trouble.
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  Speaker 4: I think I have reference before that I really like
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  Speaker 4: Divine in a brunette wig or like this dark wig.
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  Speaker 4: I think this has a lot of good fashion, also
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  Speaker 4: has some good quotes.
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  Speaker 1: But basically the story of Gorman basically.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, actually but but yeah, the story follows Don Davenport,
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  Speaker 4: who is a kind of like just like a bad
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  Speaker 4: youth like it kind of follows her entire life and
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  Speaker 4: basically she's just kind of like a bad schoolgirl who
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  Speaker 4: does not get her chatcha heels that she wanted for Christmas,
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  Speaker 4: and this basically sends her life on a very interesting path.
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  Speaker 4: And we follow it, We follow through of what she's doing.
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  Speaker 4: So so yeah, it's it's starting divine in the same
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  Speaker 4: like cast of characters that we basically everyone from Pink
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  Speaker 4: Flamingos essentially, and uh and yeah, where should I go
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  Speaker 4: from here?
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  Speaker 5: Kuv?
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  Speaker 6: I There's nothing that made me happier than her sitting
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  Speaker 6: in the classroom and just pulling out that gigantic me
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  Speaker 6: falls up and starting eating it. It fucked I. I
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  Speaker 6: was just I just died. I was like, this is flawless.
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  Speaker 6: I loved and oh god.
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  Speaker 1: So this was my least favorite movie of the Trash Trilogy,
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  Speaker 1: of the three, and just because it's like so unpleasant.
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  Speaker 1: It's just really sad and unpleasant. And I know it's
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be over the top comedic, but like Pink
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  Speaker 1: Flamingo is so ridiculous and the next one is so ridiculous,
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  Speaker 1: but this is the most grounded in reality of the three.
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  Speaker 1: It's about like a high school delinquent who gets pregnant
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  Speaker 1: and then raises a child and it's just really sad.
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  Speaker 1: So I just found this movie to be unpleasant. However,
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  Speaker 1: I wrote, this is the most marked movie I've ever seen,
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  Speaker 1: and I mark when I texted you guys that I
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  Speaker 1: swear in my life, I did not know that this
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  Speaker 1: was the movie you chose. Really, uh, I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: share my Chatcha heels story for my life. So in
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  Speaker 1: this movie, Dawn is in high school played by Divine,
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  Speaker 1: and she's like, all I want is chacha heels. Now
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  Speaker 1: I don't really know what that means, but it's a
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  Speaker 1: shoe of some sort. Anyone want to explain that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm guessing there were probably some like dance kind of
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  Speaker 4: fancy shoes that her parents thought were not appropriate for
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  Speaker 4: her age or for her you know, maybe like it's
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  Speaker 4: for like an older woman, more wild.
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  Speaker 5: So that was my thought.
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  Speaker 1: So this is all that she wanted and and her
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  Speaker 1: parents didn't think it was appropriate, so they get her
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  Speaker 1: a water down version and she's furious. I think she
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  Speaker 1: like throws down the Christmas tree and tackles her mom
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  Speaker 1: or something like that.
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  Speaker 5: That's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: But my chatch I heal story is this. I was
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  Speaker 1: probably in like freshman year of high school, and I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know which way it was up, but I knew
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  Speaker 1: that I wanted to have a black leather jacket because
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  Speaker 1: I was a loser, and I thought that that would
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  Speaker 1: be cool. So I asked my parents I really want
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  Speaker 1: and I feel like Mark could relate to this because
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  Speaker 1: your parents are very like old school in this way
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  Speaker 1: and ridiculous. But I was like, I want a black
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  Speaker 1: leather jacket. And this is in the late two thousands,
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  Speaker 1: this is not in like nineteen sixty four. And my
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  Speaker 1: parents for Christmas bought me a brown leather jacket because
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  Speaker 1: they thought a black leather jacket was like too controversial.
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  Speaker 5: You know, draped him yeah, And.
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  Speaker 1: I opened it and I was like, I hate this.
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  Speaker 1: This is not what I wanted at all. My parents
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  Speaker 1: were like, you're spoiled. You don't appreciate us. We spent
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  Speaker 1: a lot of money on this, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: this is not what I asked for, and they thought
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  Speaker 1: I was like a piece of shit basically. But the
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  Speaker 1: fact that my parents thought a black leather jacket would
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  Speaker 1: be I mean, like a classy one one that you
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  Speaker 1: would buy like old Navy or you know the gap.
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  Speaker 1: They thought that was just crazy rebellious. And that's that
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  Speaker 1: just shows. Like I've talked about how I'm in therapy,
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  Speaker 1: my therapists have asked like, did you feel like you
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  Speaker 1: had autonomy as a child at all. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: understand that adults are in charge, but could you make
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  Speaker 1: any sort of decision? And I said no, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: I literally had no autonomy, Like everything in my life
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  Speaker 1: was not my decision, which is why in the Hooga
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  Speaker 1: episode with Brian, I said being an adult is way
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  Speaker 1: better than being a child. But anyways, this is not
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  Speaker 1: about me or my therapy.
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  Speaker 5: This is did they go this way? Though you didn't
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  Speaker 5: answer that question, It's.
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  Speaker 1: Only did what did it go? What way? Oh? Did
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  Speaker 1: it go the way?
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  Speaker 5: Escalate this way? Like where the mother gets knocked unconscious
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  Speaker 5: for the tree.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say yes it did. Okay, very very
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  Speaker 1: very similar. But one of the reasons that I want
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  Speaker 1: I thought this movie is the most Mark movie I've
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  Speaker 1: ever seen is on Ida. So Mark, why don't you
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  Speaker 1: talk about on Ida?
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  Speaker 3: So so?
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  Speaker 4: Just like so Don basically runs away. She there's always
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  Speaker 4: like this character who like this creep character who picks
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  Speaker 4: up some chick or like there's always like some guy
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  Speaker 4: in a car who's like a creep, but it ends
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  Speaker 4: up being actually divine. It's like basically divine as a
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  Speaker 4: male like picks up divine and then has a kind
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  Speaker 4: of rape scene. It's like kind of rape kind of not.
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  Speaker 4: She ends up getting pregnant, uh, and then she moves
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  Speaker 4: to this neighborhood and it's like her working years, like
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  Speaker 4: which she's like a waitress for a day and then
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  Speaker 4: basically becomes like a criminal pretty fast and like starts
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  Speaker 4: stripping and like you know, hooking. But she lives next
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  Speaker 4: to uh. This woman who is aunt Ida. Aunt Ida
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  Speaker 4: is the egg woman from Pink Flamingos.
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  Speaker 3: She is now back. She is her.
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  Speaker 4: Opening scene, her her opening scene, so now she has
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  Speaker 4: like bleach blonde crazy hair like she her opening scene
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  Speaker 4: is just her topless, like just like rubbing on her
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  Speaker 4: boobs like like kind of enjoying it.
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  Speaker 7: She walks actually in the first place, what's up? She
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  Speaker 7: walks for a change. She she walks, that's she's.
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  Speaker 4: Not trapped in a crim She walks for a change.
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  Speaker 4: She she puts on like this like leather like very
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  Speaker 4: revealing outfit, and she comes out and she asks her
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  Speaker 4: is it her nephew, Yeah, her nephew, like how she looks,
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  Speaker 4: and aunt Ida is just aunt Ida is the aunt
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  Speaker 4: I wish I had at aunt Ida is.
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  Speaker 3: No, I didn't have one, not exactly.
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  Speaker 4: And on Ida's son son nephew who's a hairdresser. She's
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  Speaker 4: just like, oh, you're a hairdresser, like, obviously you're gay.
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  Speaker 4: And he's like, no, I'm not. She's like, but you
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  Speaker 4: should be. And the quote is that what she says,
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  Speaker 4: which is fantastic, And this probably leads into why this
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  Speaker 4: movie resonated me with a lot, like a lot watching
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  Speaker 4: it on, Ida says, I worry that you'll work in
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  Speaker 4: an office, have children celebrate wedding anniversaries. The world of
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  Speaker 4: the heterosexual is a sick and boring life and I
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  Speaker 4: love that. But yeah, she's constantly trying to make her
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  Speaker 4: nephew gay but he's not. And he ends up starting
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  Speaker 4: a relationship with Don Davenport, who is Divine's.
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  Speaker 1: Character Filthy you, filthy hetero, you hetero. I love that. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead, Ryan.
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  Speaker 5: This is his name, Gator.
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  Speaker 3: The names are always ridiculous in these movies, Like.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's also funny too because the real life names,
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  Speaker 6: Like I love he does such a good job with
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  Speaker 6: opening credits, like the artwork and stuff like that. But
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  Speaker 6: this one has a person whose name is Baronica Sipkiss
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  Speaker 6: and I just love that name. I was like, who
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  Speaker 6: is this person? I just thought it was wonderful.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, but Don basically is she has her daughter has
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  Speaker 4: now grown, who is played by mink Stole.
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  Speaker 3: Who's an adult woman.
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  Speaker 4: But but the I loved also like she like Don
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  Speaker 4: is just like so sick of taking care of her
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  Speaker 4: child who wants to just like be a child.
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  Speaker 3: She doesn't allow her.
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  Speaker 4: To go to school. She does allowed her to like
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  Speaker 4: basically do anything Taffy.
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  Speaker 1: That's I kept thinking of how hard you would laugh
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  Speaker 1: at Don's parenting of Taffy.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, And she says to her, can't can't you sit
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  Speaker 4: here and look out the way, look out into the air,
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  Speaker 4: Like can't you just sit here and look out into
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  Speaker 4: the air?
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  Speaker 3: Like why do you have to talk to me?
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  Speaker 4: My jeans were polluted by your birth.
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  Speaker 1: There's a scene later where somebody comes in the house
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  Speaker 1: and it's like I need food and Taffy says, there's
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  Speaker 1: no food here. Mother doesn't buy food from me.
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  Speaker 5: I love.
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  Speaker 6: I love when they first like introduced adult Taffy and
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  Speaker 6: Don is eating this fucking massive donut and Don's doing
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  Speaker 6: something and Taffy comes in and she's like, didn't I
• 11:24
  Speaker 6: tell you no jumping rope within ten feet of me?
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  Speaker 1: But I will say this, and this is a comedy,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't mean this one hundred percent seriously. At
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  Speaker 1: least Down was there for Taffy as a terrible parent
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  Speaker 1: versus Don. Sorry, Taffy escapes Don later in the film
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  Speaker 1: to find her father and it doesn't go well. And
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  Speaker 1: I also wanted to add that the father, Taffy's father,
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  Speaker 1: is also divine, but not in Drag.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, yep, so so yeah, so so Down. Basically
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  Speaker 4: her kind of associates who are like her childhood friends,
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  Speaker 4: are also part of this like criminal group that they started,
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  Speaker 4: and they are talking a lot about this like great
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  Speaker 4: place to get I think, like Don is basically like
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  Speaker 4: I need to, like I need something to pick me up.
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  Speaker 4: So they suggest her to go get her hair done.
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  Speaker 4: And there's a really good shop which Gator works at.
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  Speaker 4: He's a hairdresser, but they do like auditions for the
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  Speaker 4: It's like very exclusive, so you have to go and
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  Speaker 4: get auditioned to get your hair done. And the people
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  Speaker 4: who are running the shop are kind of like the
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  Speaker 4: Marbles in a way, a little bit different, but it's
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  Speaker 4: the same guy, David Lockery. And now the one who
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  Speaker 4: previously played Cotton is now playing the like his wife,
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  Speaker 4: the owner, and they're just kind of like terrible people
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  Speaker 4: masquerading as like good people. And don Don makes the
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  Speaker 4: you know, audition to get her hair done and she
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  Speaker 4: starts this relationship with Gator.
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  Speaker 1: I said that David Lockery in this film is the
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  Speaker 1: closest any character in all four of these films comes
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  Speaker 1: to Mark. I, uh.
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  Speaker 3: Great outfits. He has great outfits in this film.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah. And Gator says talking to on Ida about
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  Speaker 1: how he's straight, he says, don't you worry about me?
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  Speaker 1: On Ida? Sex aint new problem? So love how that
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  Speaker 1: is the BALTI.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I also loved at the beauty salon, like I don't
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  Speaker 4: know what was happening there, but like one of the
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  Speaker 4: beauticians was like making out with his clients, like.
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  Speaker 1: I wrote that. I wrote that. I wrote that down Mark,
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  Speaker 1: I've loved that so much. They come into the beauty
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  Speaker 1: and it's like five people in chairs getting their hair
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  Speaker 1: done by five hairdressers, but one of them is making
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  Speaker 1: out with the hairdresser, which made me think of did
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  Speaker 1: I always tell you when I went to knockouts the
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  Speaker 1: hair dressing the barber chain.
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  Speaker 5: Really have?
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  Speaker 1: I talked about this on the pod oh, serious, I
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  Speaker 1: probably have. But so I was in Framingham. This is
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  Speaker 1: like God forever ago. I was like in my early twenties,
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  Speaker 1: and I've never had a consistent barber until recently in
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  Speaker 1: my life. Like when I was a kid, I did,
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: but I would kind of bounce around all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: And I always hate getting a haircut. I don't know why,
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: but it's I always just think, Beau, It's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to go, It's a waste of my day.
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  Speaker 1: So I was driving around Framingham. I was on Root
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  Speaker 1: nine and I saw it Knockout's Barbershop. So I pull in,
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  Speaker 1: I get out of the car, I go in, and
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: as soon as I walk in, I realize it's a
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: which is honestly a genius marketing plan. It's a Hooters barbershop.
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  Speaker 1: So it is. It is all hot women dressed very provocatively.
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  Speaker 1: Who are hairstylists that are gonna cut your hair? But
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  Speaker 1: they're hot and they have like essentially bikinis on. So
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is awful, But Mark, did
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: you want to say something?
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  Speaker 4: I'm just kind of I'm like surprised this.
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  Speaker 1: Exists, Like are you surprised it exists?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, no, it makes sense, I guess, but like
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  Speaker 4: I really didn't think.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know this is a thing.
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  Speaker 1: So I came in and I was waiting and I
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  Speaker 1: was looking at all these hairdressers and I was like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: they're all really hot and like they're dressed this way.
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  Speaker 1: This is weird. And then they were like, we can
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: take you right away. And then they didn't have a
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: liquor license, but they were like, do you want a
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: beer that we can just comp you a beer? And
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: I said no, because there was the middle of the day.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, I can't do that. So then
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: the haircut was fine. It was like an average haircut,
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  Speaker 1: but there was a lot of banter and flirting and
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: massages like massaging my shoulders, my neck and my scalp,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I know what this is.
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  Speaker 1: But I was like, did I enjoy this more than
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: a regular haircut? Fuck? Yes, I did? Are you kidding?
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  Speaker 5: They've never given them that haircut, that's the that's their claim.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, you're the first person I gave
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  Speaker 1: this haircut too.
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  Speaker 5: Ever, but yeah, so.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Like I'm straight too, not as straight as Ryan is
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  Speaker 1: the point of that story.
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  Speaker 5: But I actually have not been knock.
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  Speaker 6: Sorry some I'm straighter than you, congrass Man's the whole
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  Speaker 6: point of this, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but uh yeah sorry, So not to derail us
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  Speaker 1: Mark continue, No, this.
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  Speaker 4: Is so basically the ideas that you have. The the
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  Speaker 4: owners of the hair salon then take an interest into
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  Speaker 4: Dawn and say that, like they have this theory that
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  Speaker 4: like crime is beauty, so they're interested in her sort
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  Speaker 4: of like criminal aspect of her life and they want
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  Speaker 4: to document like take pictures of her and make her famous.
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  Speaker 4: That's I guess the idea behind this.
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  Speaker 1: This is not too far from Mark in real life.
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  Speaker 1: In my opinion and mar which I loved and supported,
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  Speaker 1: Mark had a photography series of fireball nips on the ground,
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  Speaker 1: so like that immediately made me think of his photography
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  Speaker 1: series of fireball nips on the ground. And also, fucking Mark,
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  Speaker 1: the biggest hipster ever. He didn't have wedding photos and
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  Speaker 1: we were all asking for them because he was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I took them with a camera with film, and there's
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  Speaker 1: nowhere in Iceland to get the film developed. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: of course you did. This is the most Mark thing
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  Speaker 1: you've ever said.
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  Speaker 7: Now I need to support him with quote beauty and crime.
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  Speaker 7: The worst the crime gets, the more ravishing one becomes.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly, so this starts this kind of relationship, and of
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  Speaker 4: course Dawn is like liking this, but in the aspect
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  Speaker 4: like at the same time, Dawn finds that her husband
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  Speaker 4: is cheating the beautician is cheating on her, and she
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: then wants to divorce, and she, I think, says she's
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  Speaker 4: like she gets him fired from the job, which then
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: pisses off off aunt Ida, and aunt Ida comes over
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: to the house and throws acid in Don's face, horribly
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: disfiguring her.
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  Speaker 1: I think before the acid burn this is a line
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  Speaker 1: I wrote down that I loved. I think it was Dawn.
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  Speaker 1: She goes to the salon and goes up to get
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  Speaker 1: her and says, I got you a present to remember
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  Speaker 1: me by and punches him in the face.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: Don't mess with Don. So now that down is like
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: horribly disfigured. The group, they like, the group of beauticians
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: like think that now she is like, this is a
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: good thing for her. So they're very excited to see
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: how like, you know, damaged her faces and they think
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: this is going to like make her even more like
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: famous and kind of more you know, ascend her essentially,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: and yeah, they do a photo series with her and
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: she what happens to Dona like what happens to Don
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: at this point somehow they host a show, so she
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: has like her kind of like performance at the end,
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: which actually I was realizing this. I feel like this
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: influenced the substance. The end of the substance. I don't
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: know how it is, yeah, but Don basically has this.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: Oh the she when she gets out of the hospital,
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: the beauticians take on Ida hostage and put her in
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: a cage in her like a bird cage in her house,
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: and chop her hand off. But Taffy, Taffy feels remorse
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: for this, so she gives her a like hook and
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: then Taffy also joins the Harry Krishna's because Don is
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: not there for her, and Taffy goes like at at
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Don's like final performance, Taffy goes to kind of make
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: amends with her mom and see if she can like
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: repent for all of the evil doings, and Don strangles
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: her to death for her performance.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Don kills her own daughter. Taffy is that she didn't
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: do enough to Taffy, But I think that the final
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: performance that Don gives is very similar to Pink Flamingos,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: where this photographer photographer couple are so into Dawn for
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: committing these horrible acts. So she has this like stage
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: performance and she's just doing crazy stuff on stage but
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: just to be like gross. But my favorite one that
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: she does and she takes up a bucket of dead
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: fish and starts rubbing fish all over her sall.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: And the crowd loves it.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: It's just so gross.
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: I gotta say, like when when when Taffy tells her
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: that she wants to join the Higher Christmas? It is
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: the only time that Don is disgusted and the rage
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: that she just lets out, How could you.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: Joy these terrible people? How could you do this? I
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: would never It's just so funny. I love that.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: I wrote down her what she does in her performance.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: She does a trampoline performance, which she's just like jumping
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: on trampoline lots. She rips a phone book in half,
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: and then she enters a cage with dead fish and
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: rubs them on herself. And then she says, who wants
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: to be famous? Who wants to die for art? And
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: she takes out a gun and starts shooting the audience.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, she started. That's part of her art performances to
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: shoot the audience with a gun. I think this is
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: a lot about more than Pin Flamingos. Is about fame
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: and what's the difference between infamy and fame? Is there
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: any difference between infamy and fame and American society? What
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: is you know, like what is art? It's it's definitely
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: pushing the envelope, but not to jump ahead. But her
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: trial I found very amusing just based on her testimony
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: because she's shooting the people on the art show. So
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: she gets arrested and goes to goes on trial and
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: she's just very unrepentant. I would say.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Don is definitely unraveling at this point.
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: But I think this story about kind of, you know,
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: difference between infamy and fame in American society is also
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: interesting because it's actually popping up already in Pin Tamingos
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: because the tribunal towards the end, it's kind of showing
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: you exactly the same thing. You have this kind of
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: full media coverage and like over the air Divine actually
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: kind of oh, like the character of Divine actually gets
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: the recognition because of being infamous. Actually, so the same
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: kind of you know, playoff is happening over there.
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: I feel I think it's interesting too, where like in
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: the in the Art show, when she shoots that guy,
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: it's that whole thing too. Of like everyone's been following
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: this Carnalie because they just love like watching the train
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: wreck that is gone, but then they actually do it,
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: where now you're part of it and it's not entertaining anymore.
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: It's not funny anymore. It's not and it's just like
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: that was an interesting collision there.
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, However, at the same time, she actually doesn't start shooting,
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: and the people who never said anything she actually starts shooting,
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: and people who say I do when she asked if
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: they want to die.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: For art, you want to you want to participates.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Not guilty, y'all got to feel me.
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: Kind of ambiguous feelings over here, to be quite honest
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: with Also, the same thing kind of comes down to
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: the Dollar story because I'm like, I'm kind of like
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: I've been observant of this story because this story I
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: think like this, this this part of the narrative is
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: the most disturbing to me. And I'm kind of weirdly
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: enough and probably provocatively enough feeling like the final death
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: of the Dollar is actually the most humane thing that
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: happens to her in the entire life that she has
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: in a film.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: You're not wrong, because when when Taffy goes to visit
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: her dad, who's played by Divine as a man, Uh,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: it couldn't then, it couldn't be worse, Like, doesn't he
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: actually try?
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: She does? She does?
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: She does, yes, because he tries to basically rape her.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she comes back and divines like, what
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: happened to your dad? And she was like, oh, I
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: couldn't find him. There's a reference to Richard Speck in
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: this movie, who's a famous serial killer, and this had
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I wanted to read this because this was a big
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: thing in the nineties and I remember this happening. But
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: this is way after Female Trouble. So in nineteen ninety six,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Chicago television news anchor Bill Curtis received videotapes made at
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: the Stateville Correctional Center in nineteen eighty eight from an
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: anonymous attorney, showing them publicly for the first time before
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: the Illinois State Legislature. Curtis pointed out explicit scenes of sex,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: drug use, and money being passed around by prisoners who
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: seemingly have no fear of being caught. In the center
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: was Richard Speck, who was performing oral sex on another inmate,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: sharing cocaine, and boasting. If they quote, if they only
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: knew how much fun I was having, they would turn
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: me loose end quote. The Illinois legislature packed the auditorium
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: to view the two hour video, but stop the screening
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: when it showed Spec performing oral sex on another man.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Also in this video, it doesn't say it here he
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: had been taking He had somehow been taking estrogen supplements
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: and a grown breasts in prison, so he was used
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: as like a sex object, like, oh, there's boobs in prison.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Go to Richard Speck and the fact that he was
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: a famous male serial killer.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Ye did Richard Spec kill the nurses? Is this the
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: same story or no?
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was in Yeah, this is the guy who
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: killed the nurses in the sixties.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: It was in mind Hunter. And also it says in
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: the prison video he admitted to killing the nurses, describing
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the experience of strangling someone quote it ain't like you
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: see on TV. It takes about three and a half
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: minutes and a lot of strength.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: End quote. Pikes yep.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: So, so Don Davenport goes to jail and she actually
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: gets sentenced to death by electrocution. Also a re I'm
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: wondering if Johnny Depp's tattoo of the electric chairs reference
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: to this. But what I loved like this Also at
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: this point in the movie, you're kind of so tired,
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: like you're so fatigued by this movie that it goes
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: on quite long in the in the prison. But what
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: I did love is that she already had a girlfriend,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Like Don already had a girlfriend in prison, like everyone
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: loved her.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: But then yeah, she but also as a woman. As
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: a woman, Donald was always straight and then she goes
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: to prison and immediately becomes the lesbian.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: Right why not?
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: So she like the final scene is like her on
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: the electric chair and she starts to like say some
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: so speech and then she gets cut by electrocution and
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: then it is like a freeze frame on her face
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: in the credits roll.
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: I I love the second woman who came in the room.
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: They're like a having her own visitors, and she's like,
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: do you want me to model for you? And it's
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: just like she has such this like warm relationship and
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: I was like, man, they're just kind of showing you, like,
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: no matter where she goes, she's something.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, all of.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: These movies were short, but this is the only one
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: to me that seemed long. It's like, wow, we're still I.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Think also said that you said that this was your
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: least one, man.
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: I mean the least favorite again because of what Tim
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: said before. It's reedy is so negative. It's like it's
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: so negative, like I couldn't really kind of grasp anything
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: that would kind of give me this pure sensation of okay,
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: comedic humor. Timing, No, it's just straight negativity and it's
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: just bombarding you with it the whole time.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I agree, it's like showing the most miserable lives for
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: the sake of comedy. Where Pin Flamingos in the movie
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: We're Gonna Do Next are fun in their own way
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: and their own like sick, twisted way. This is just
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: not fun to me at all in any way.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: Can I go ahead?
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: I just want to share because I love so On
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: a lot of DVDs and blue rays and stuff like
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: movie posters, you're going to see critics quotes, and I
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: think John Waters intentionally always puts like his favorite like
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: negative quotes on the covers of his movies and on
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: Female Trouble I think is the greatest review of any
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: movie ever. It's by Rex Read, very famous film critic,
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: and it just says, where do these people come from?
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: Where do they go when the sun goes down? Is
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: there a law or something? I think it's fun. I
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: think it's brilliant. I think it's so brilliant. It's just like,
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: what is this movie? I just always killed me?
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Alsipe.
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: Part of the story is that we kind of knowing
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: the personality of Divine automatically kind of try to rule
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: for her, kind of you know, just support her and
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: kind of hope for some sort of resolutions, going to.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Kind of know be.
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: Fair, maybe too much of a word, but still to
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: a certain degree satisfying to the general audience, and we
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: just don't get it. Like over there you have those
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: people kind of manipulated her into the position where she
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: is also kind of getting away with it like nobody's business,
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: which is not the case with the Marbles before, but
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: you know, like in Ping Flamingos because they obviously gets
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: shot right by her. Yeah, I think this is honestly,
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: I know it is ridiculous, but probably this is kind of,
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: you know, a bit of a.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Cost of my dissatisfaction to find a resolution. I wish
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: she kind of got away with this electric chair.
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: I wish she somehow imagined people somebody else into the
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: chair and tried them, Like, you know, I want her
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: to live.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: I'm curious.
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: Do you think it's because we see her so quote
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: unquote earlier in life, where like, yeah, divine is established
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: in Pink Flamengos, and this one you're starting as a
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: school kid and going on you're seeing all the mistakes
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: and stuff like that.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: I'm curious.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, just like, I know, it's
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: a comedy and it's ridiculous, but being knocked up in
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: high school and then dropping out and having a baby
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: and treating the baby terribly, to me, it's just not funny.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: So I don't know, But you didn't think it was
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: funny when they were like pulling her up the stairs
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: and chaining.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: Her in the end.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I did want I did want to mention the quote,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: which is my favorite quote in the movie. This is
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: a quote that a character says, quote, I would not
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: suck your dick if I was drowning and there was
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: oxygen in your balls.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: Oh that's what Gator says to Taffy. That's right. Yeah.
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: I also have a good quote that kind of, you know,
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: is said by my main character. But at the same time,
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: I think it kind of covers to me the idea
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: of the film. Uh you look at the clim person
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: on the pipes.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: And don't you forget it? Yeah, that's how I feel
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: honestly about this one.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Down is so happy to be herself in the
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: trial and meant to be put to death. She's like
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: so happy to be put to death. She's like, I'm
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: gonna be so famous. This is gonna be wonderful.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing went right in Don's life.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: No, except she was straight.
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: And did you get the final quote of this girlfriend
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: that she had in the prison. There was also this
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: like very final kind of speech on her part where
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: she goes, you still think it's a show, You're gonna
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: realize it's your life and that's dark.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: That's dark.
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Nis, Mark, thank you for that choice.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark, I mean this is.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Gonna be This is great song too, also a great
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: like opening song, absolutely the kindest singing.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah it is.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: This is also the last movie with divine that we
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: will cover. Yeah, all right, I don't have much else
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: to say, but I would say my advice in the
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: theme of this movie. To me, my biggest takeaway was
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: life comes at you fast.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: This is John Waters Perispueler's day off. This is his
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: way of doing it. Yeah. I love that.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Uh Yeah, any other thoughts in this movie before we
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: you guys give your advice?
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Nope? I think my advice would you find yourself in
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: on Ida?
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: For sure?
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Every every gay boy.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Needs it on Ida, Move to Flea Bottom find it
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: on Yeah.
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: I would say, whenever anybody asks you if you want
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: to die for our saying you don't.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Agreed, Very good one, Ryan.
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: My advice is don't don't be overly dramatic, because the
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: best line in this entire movie is when uh Dawn
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: is at the counter at the hair salon and she's like,
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: I don't want to be overly bitter, but I'd like
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: you to destroy all of his belongings.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: I think that's fucking for us.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: What's the mustache guy's name? David Lockery?
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I love when Devine goes h fire him from the
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: hair salon and David Lockery picks up the phone and
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: is like Samantha Fire Fire Gator, and then she says
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: like why, no reason. Then he hangs up. My advice
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: is don't listen to Mark. Sorry, but all right, we're
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: gonna close out the Trash Trilogy and the next part.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Thank you for listening with the doozy. With a doozy,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I mean the next movie. Spoiler alert. The next movie
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: is my favorite movie in the Trash trilogy. All right,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: catch you on the flip