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Cell phone pings, garbage dumps & parked trucks offer clues in probe of missing Colorado mom Kelsey Berreth · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: both with us about seem Patrick Frazy along with two
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Speaker 1: other men here at the West Management driving a white
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Speaker 1: pickup truck and haul a trailer which they dumped the
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Speaker 1: trash out of. We reached out to law enforcement to
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Speaker 1: see if we could figure out what happened because they
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Speaker 1: closed they made a scene here after that happened, and
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Speaker 1: CBI spokeswoman told us they weren't able to confirm any
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Speaker 1: information because of an ongoing investigation. These photos were captured
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Speaker 1: by employees at the waste management property yesterday. You can
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Speaker 1: see Woodland Park police cars parked on site. According to witnesses,
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Speaker 1: Frazy was seen driving a white pickup and was pulling
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Speaker 1: a trailer behind. He was not driving the usual red
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Speaker 1: truck we've seen him in before. That one was seized
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Speaker 1: by police during a search warrant over the weekend. According
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Speaker 1: to employees, Frazie was accompanied by two other men, but
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Speaker 1: he never got out of the truck. Instead, the men
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Speaker 1: dumped the trash bore him because of his relationship to
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Speaker 1: Kelsey Barrett, Employees decided to call police. Witnesses say police
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Speaker 1: watched Frazy using binoculars and only entered the property once
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Speaker 1: Frazy What's gone? Employees told us police collected several items
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Speaker 1: that were left behind, and Nancy Grace, this is crime stories,
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Speaker 1: the search for a missing mom. Flight instructor Kelsey Barrett
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Speaker 1: goes on, you were just hearing from our friends at
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Speaker 1: Kardo News thirteen. Now was Alexis Dominguez reporting it's not
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Speaker 1: good for cops to be hiding and watching you with binoculars.
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Speaker 1: I know that much. Joining me right now at Lanta
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Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor Holly Hughes, host of investigation Discoveries,
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Speaker 1: hit show Fatal Vows. Doctor Brian Russell, cop turned PI
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Speaker 1: and author of playbook to a Murder, Vincent Hill. Joining
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Speaker 1: me right now. Ellen Colaurin, Crime online dot Com investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter where you can find this in all other crime stories.
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Speaker 1: She's breaking news on this one. Left and right. We
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Speaker 1: gotta remember aka Ellen Colaurin. This is not a quote story,
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Speaker 1: as media people like to say. This is a mom.
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Speaker 1: This is a young mom with a one year old
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Speaker 1: talk girl and a mother and a family missing her.
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Speaker 1: And this is no mommy's girl hiding behind as I
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Speaker 1: like to say, her powder puff and limp gloss. This
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Speaker 1: is a season to flight instruct or, even at her
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Speaker 1: young age. I find it very, very difficult to believe
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Speaker 1: that this mother, who had never done this before, would
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Speaker 1: text in to her boss at the aviation company and say, oh,
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Speaker 1: I'm out for the next week. I'm not buying it.
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Speaker 1: I don't think she's taken a powder with another boyfriend
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Speaker 1: with her fiance waiting in the wings. Alan Klaurin. In
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Speaker 1: the last hours a lot of breaking news. Tell me
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Speaker 1: what you know. This is a missing person, This is
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Speaker 1: a missing mom, an accomplished, independent young woman who was
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Speaker 1: if responsible and would likely not just take off a
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Speaker 1: week of work without telling anyone. In the last hours
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Speaker 1: and days, we have some new information. We know that
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Speaker 1: Patrick Crazy, Kelsey's fiance, was seen at a waste management
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Speaker 1: facility with two other men unidentified. At this point, they
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Speaker 1: came in separate vehicles. Crazy stayed inside of a white
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Speaker 1: pickup truck as the other two men hauled off some
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Speaker 1: trash from a trailer attached to that truck. Police were
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Speaker 1: called in, and we understand that they did that. They
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Speaker 1: did take some trash away from the facility. Interesting aka
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Speaker 1: that they're not revealing what they took even when they
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Speaker 1: were asked, and that they watched him with binoculars. It's
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Speaker 1: not like a cop coming up to you and going, hey,
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Speaker 1: you know, you gotta tail light out. You know, there's
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Speaker 1: no pretense about it. They actually were in hiding, and
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Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. As far as what the
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Speaker 1: cops are doing. You know, I've been on many many
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Speaker 1: take out more than I can even count, and there's
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Speaker 1: absolutely nothing wrong with surveiling what is in open and
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Speaker 1: plain sight, which is what they were doing. But my
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Speaker 1: point is when you are not up front and open
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Speaker 1: with the person, that means you're suspicious. As of right now,
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Speaker 1: the fiancee Phrasy has not been named a person of
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Speaker 1: interest or suspect. Now, anybody everybody throws out trash, I hope,
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Speaker 1: but in addition to a special trip to the dumpster,
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Speaker 1: I find this very disturbing. Listen, she's lived off Lake
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Speaker 1: Avenue for years, sharing cordial conversation even family stories with
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Speaker 1: Kelsey Barrett. She's an awesome person. She's so kind, and
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Speaker 1: so you could tell she's a very kindhearted person. The
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Speaker 1: neighbor didn't want us showing her face or using her
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Speaker 1: real name to prevent excess attention, but she offers new
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Speaker 1: details on activity at Kelsey's home Thanksgiving Day. What do
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Speaker 1: you remember seeing Thanksgiving Day? Just off the road here?
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Speaker 1: I looked up there and there was both red pickups
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Speaker 1: up there Thanksgiving Day, and that was from about twelve
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Speaker 1: thirty to one. She says she never saw anybody, but
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Speaker 1: the information aligns with what Phrasey told police through his attorney,
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Speaker 1: saying he picked up their daughter sometime Thanksgiving Day. The
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Speaker 1: safeway surveillance video includes a twelve oh five timestamp, meaning
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Speaker 1: the truck would have arrived shortly thereafter the other two
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Speaker 1: cars were parked with the vehicles facing the apartment, but
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Speaker 1: his was parked sideways behind them. The neighbor says it's
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Speaker 1: the same chunk she's seen the last two years driven
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Speaker 1: by a man picking up and dropping off of baby.
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Speaker 1: And when I showed her video of Phrasie's truck towed
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Speaker 1: off his property Friday, she says, it looks the same.
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Speaker 1: You were hearing from our friends at KOA A News
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Speaker 1: five a Denver reporter Sam Kramer speaking to a neighbor
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Speaker 1: of Kelsey Barrels. You know what, let's back it up
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Speaker 1: for a moment. Ellen, start at the big ginning, tell
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Speaker 1: me the timeline. Then we'll go to our experts, Vincent Hill,
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Speaker 1: doctor Brian Russell, and Hollyhes. Go ahead, Ellen, So we're
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Speaker 1: now nearly a month since Kelsey birth went nissing. She
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Speaker 1: was lasting on Thanksgiving Day. The last time she was
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Speaker 1: seen publicly was at a Safeway supermarket with her daughter.
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Speaker 1: Crazy has told authorities that he met with her later
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Speaker 1: that day so he could pick up their daughter because
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Speaker 1: they don't live together, and as the neighbor's interview shows,
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Speaker 1: it does appear that someone driving the same pickup truck
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Speaker 1: that the neighbor had seen before was at Kelsey's home
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Speaker 1: early that afternoon, and she has not been seen since then.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk also about the cell phone payings.
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Speaker 1: But first of all, out to Holly Hughes, former prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: current Atlanta criminal defense attorney who has tried many many cases.
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Speaker 1: Holly at first blush, You know her. The fiance has
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Speaker 1: been called a quote gentle giant. He's the last one
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Speaker 1: to say her. While Cotts are not calling him a
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Speaker 1: suspect or a person of interest. He's got to be
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Speaker 1: their main focus right now because he's the last person
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Speaker 1: to see her, There's no doubt about it. And how
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Speaker 1: many times have we heard he was such a nice boy,
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Speaker 1: he was so quiet. People say that about Jeffrey Dahmer,
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Speaker 1: So right off the jop he's placed himself as the
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Speaker 1: last person to see her. Secondarily, he is involved with
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Speaker 1: her and they share a child together, which puts also
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Speaker 1: another check mark next to his name. And then you've
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Speaker 1: got this suspicious activity where he's renting a trailer in
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Speaker 1: hauling quote unquote trash out to this particular dumping site,
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Speaker 1: but not getting out of the car and handling it himself.
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Speaker 1: So there are many reasons that the police are going
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Speaker 1: to be looking at him and what they're doing at
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Speaker 1: this point, they're not naming him because but protecting, as
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Speaker 1: you were saying earlier, for protecting the investigation, the integrity
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Speaker 1: of the investigation. They are just quietly in the background,
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Speaker 1: watching what's happening and gathering the evidence they are going
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Speaker 1: to need if and when they ever get this into
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Speaker 1: a court. A lot I'm very very interested to you,
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Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, regarding his car, his vehicle being parked sideways
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Speaker 1: behind her two cars. Yeah, Nancy, it's curious police haven't
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Speaker 1: named him the suspect, but his actions are definitely suspicious.
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Speaker 1: So he's the last person to see her. He's at
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Speaker 1: her apartment shortly after she's seen on his surveillance footage,
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Speaker 1: and then skipped a few weeks later. He's at a
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Speaker 1: dump site. You know what happened inside that apartment, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: because that is essentially that we know the last place
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Speaker 1: she was seen, according to this neighbor. So could something
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Speaker 1: have happened inside that apartment that we don't know about
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Speaker 1: that led to this dump site? We don't know, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Kelsey's fiance, Patrick Phrasey, told police he last saw her
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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving afternoon, when he picked up their daughter. Kelsey was
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Speaker 1: not reported missing until ten days later by her mother.
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Speaker 1: Patrick has done everything that he has been asked for
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Speaker 1: by law enforcement. Jeremy Lowe, Patrick Frazy's attorney, says his
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Speaker 1: client has been interviewed by law enforcement, voluntarily released his
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Speaker 1: phone to be searched by investigators, and provided photographs along
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Speaker 1: with cheek swabs for DNA. Police have said phrase is cooperating.
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Speaker 1: I have no reason to believe that he is a suspect,
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Speaker 1: and the police have not isolated him as a suspect
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Speaker 1: in this case. Phrasey and Barretts do not live together,
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Speaker 1: but Barrett's mother says their bond is strong, their relationship
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Speaker 1: has been good, They're loving. She remains hopeful her daughter
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Speaker 1: will be found. The speculation hasn't been helpful. Don't try
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Speaker 1: to figure this out. We've got people trying to do that.
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Speaker 1: Just share the photo. There's more important things to be done.
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Speaker 1: At this point, police say the case remains a missing
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Speaker 1: person's investigation. In the back of my mind, sure there's
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Speaker 1: a possibility something else could have happened, but it does
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Speaker 1: mean no good to go down that road, and I
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Speaker 1: don't think it does n't see any good either. Twenty
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Speaker 1: nine year old Kelsey Beareth has not been seen since
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Speaker 1: she was recorded on surveillance cameras in a grocery store
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Speaker 1: in Woodland Park, Colorado, with her baby daughter. Her fiance,
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Speaker 1: Patrick Frazie, tells that she dropped the baby off after
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Speaker 1: that grocery store trip, and he has not seen or
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Speaker 1: heard from her since now. The two have never lived together,
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Speaker 1: despite being engaged in sharing a daughter. Interesting The fiance
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Speaker 1: was not present at a press conference and has been
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Speaker 1: scrutinized on social media for refusing to speak openly about
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Speaker 1: missing Chelsea. But despite that scrutiny, her mother says they
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Speaker 1: had a very good relationship. Straight out to Ellen Colauria
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Speaker 1: and Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Ellen, what do
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Speaker 1: you tell me about the fiance, because that is where
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Speaker 1: every timeline starts, the last time someone was seen or
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Speaker 1: spoke spoken to verbally, not by text or email. Tell
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Speaker 1: me about the fiance. That's right. He was the last
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Speaker 1: person to see her, and we know that he was
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Speaker 1: not the person who contacted police, his lawyer said, and
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Speaker 1: he's been with her daughter. His lawyer has a release
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Speaker 1: his statement and says that he is now cooperating with police.
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Speaker 1: He did give a DNA swat of his mouth, he
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Speaker 1: did hand over his phone, but he did not attend
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Speaker 1: a press conference earlier this week where her mother did
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Speaker 1: attendance and spoke and begged for her daughter's return. His
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Speaker 1: lawyer claims that Patrick didn't know about the press conference
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Speaker 1: until an hour before it began, Otherwise he would have
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Speaker 1: been there, and our word to the media, that's what
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Speaker 1: That's what the lawyer said. Kelsey Bressed twenty nine, has
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Speaker 1: not been spot assuments gross she's shopping with her baby
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Speaker 1: Woodland Park, Colorado. Fiance tells cops she dropped the baby
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Speaker 1: off afterwards at his home. Has not been seen since
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Speaker 1: her phone pinged about seven hundred miles away from where
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Speaker 1: she was last seen three days later. Now does that
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Speaker 1: make sense to you, Karen Smith, forensics experts, seven hundred
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Speaker 1: miles in three days? Does that make sense? It can
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Speaker 1: be done, well, sure it can be done, but none
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Speaker 1: of it makes sense to me. Nancy who First of all,
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Speaker 1: if my fiance had gone missing, I would be freaking
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Speaker 1: out after three hours. First of all, ten days, ten
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Speaker 1: days she was reported missing ten days later and the
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Speaker 1: cell phone things seven hundred miles away? Are you kidding me?
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Speaker 1: I would be all over the press. I would be
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Speaker 1: in front of every camera that would put my face
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Speaker 1: on television. I would be talking to everyone and anyone
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Speaker 1: if I had nothing to do with this. Ten days
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Speaker 1: is a long time to pass. Ashley, Well, kind I'm
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Speaker 1: looking in the video right now. She comes in the
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Speaker 1: front of the grocery store. She's carrying the baby in
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Speaker 1: a car seat. Oh, it looks just like the ones
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Speaker 1: I would carry the twins in double fisted. She puts
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Speaker 1: the car seat in the front of a cart with
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Speaker 1: the baby facing her, you know, that top area, and
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Speaker 1: then she drives off. She's got on a coat, her
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Speaker 1: hair's back in a bun, and the baby's all bundled up.
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Speaker 1: All right, So what do we know about him originally
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Speaker 1: not giving DNA because at this juncture, Ashley Wilcott, he
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Speaker 1: has done interviews, he has released his phone to be searched.
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Speaker 1: She's given given buckle swabs, which is, you know, a
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Speaker 1: mouth swab, and photographs. On the other hand, Ashley, I
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Speaker 1: guess his lawyer said, look, if you don't give it
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Speaker 1: to them willingly, they can get a warrant from you
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Speaker 1: and take it from you. Right, That's what the lawyer's
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Speaker 1: gonna advise him. But let me ask you this, why
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Speaker 1: get a lawyer in the first place if you're not
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Speaker 1: involved in second? Ten days? I agree with your guests
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Speaker 1: ten days. Who waits ten days to figure out where
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Speaker 1: somebody is, especially the mother of your one year old?
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Speaker 1: You know? He also the lawyer says that what does
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Speaker 1: this mean to you, doctor Daniel Bober, you're the forensic psychiatrist.
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Speaker 1: The lawyer has added that the fiance for Ze will
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Speaker 1: not speak publicly because he does not want to quote
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Speaker 1: impede the police investigation. Yeah, I mean, Nancy, a lot
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Speaker 1: of this stuff is not just positive, but it's certainly
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Speaker 1: very suspicious. I mean, he's sort of reluctantly cooperating and
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Speaker 1: sort of has to be dragged to do it. So
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Speaker 1: that's definitely concerning and it seems like he definitely has
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Speaker 1: something to hide, although again it's not just positive. Well,
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Speaker 1: I agree with you because let me go to you,
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot. When the chief of police there at Wiland Park,
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Speaker 1: Chief Miles Deyong, was asked at the press conference about
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Speaker 1: the fiance not being there, he simply said, you'd have
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Speaker 1: to ask him, okay to see. I can read a
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Speaker 1: lot into that response, Ashley. Absolutely, he's not cooperating, and
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Speaker 1: it sounds like law enforcements frustrated because where most people
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Speaker 1: who have missing person in their life do anything and
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Speaker 1: everything they can and give law enforcement every shred of
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Speaker 1: everything they need, the boyfriend is not doing that. The
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Speaker 1: fiances not cooperating, so I think it does indicate something's
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Speaker 1: a miss. Now. The brother Clinton Beareth said that he
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Speaker 1: realized she was missing, and he goes to her home
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Speaker 1: and what the brother Clint Beareth says is the only
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Speaker 1: thing missing from the home was her pocketbook, her luggage,
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Speaker 1: her makeup, all untouched in her two vehicles are still
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Speaker 1: at the home. Ellen Colauren, you left that little detail out.
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Speaker 1: Both her cars are at the house, her luggage, her makeup,
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Speaker 1: all that. The only thing missing is her pocketbook, which
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Speaker 1: I'd like to point out she had with her when
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Speaker 1: she was at the grocery store. That's great, and not
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Speaker 1: only was all of that stuff left behind, but there
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Speaker 1: was also a some cinnamon rules that she hadn't clearly
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Speaker 1: just speaked that day. By the time they got there,
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Speaker 1: they were cold, but she was baking in her kitchen
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Speaker 1: and it looks like she just pulled out the roles
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Speaker 1: to cool and had every intention of coming back. There
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Speaker 1: are absolutely no signs in the home that she was
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Speaker 1: planning on going away for any amount of time. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends Inside Edition reporting on Kelsey
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Speaker 1: four seven five nine nine nine. This little baby deserves
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Speaker 1: to be with mommy on Christmas morning. Listen we talked
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Speaker 1: just Thanksgiving morning. The mother of missing Kelsey Barrett shares
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Speaker 1: more of what happened on the last day she saw
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Speaker 1: her daughter. This is video of what police believe is
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Speaker 1: one of the last times she was seen here. She
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Speaker 1: is well into a safeweight grocery store near her town
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Speaker 1: in Colorado with her one year old daughter. Cheryl Barrett
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Speaker 1: speaks with CBS News that she sounds normal. Did she
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Speaker 1: sound definitely, she sounded happy. A few days after her disappearance,
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Speaker 1: detectives say a text message was sent from her phone
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Speaker 1: to her employer saying she would not be showing up
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Speaker 1: to work. The following week, another text was set to
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Speaker 1: her fiance. Cell phone Tower data indicates the phone was
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Speaker 1: hundreds of miles away outside Gooding, Idaho, but investigators have
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Speaker 1: not found Barrett there. It just makes no sense. I
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Speaker 1: guess it just makes no sense that we can't find her.
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Speaker 1: I have to keep looking. Take a listen to what
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Speaker 1: ABC reporter Marcy Gonzale says. Barrett was seen here at
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Speaker 1: this Colorado's supermarket on Thanksgiving day police a Phrasey met
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Speaker 1: with the twenty nine year old pilot shortly afterward to
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Speaker 1: pick up their one year old daughter. It was the
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Speaker 1: last confirmed sighting of Barrett. Phrazy never reported her missing.
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Speaker 1: Their daughter is still in his I have no information
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Speaker 1: at this time that I need to take that daughter,
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Speaker 1: that child away At this point, investigators say, three days
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Speaker 1: after Barres vanished, two text messages were sent from her phone,
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Speaker 1: one to Frazy and another to her employers telling them
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Speaker 1: she was taking time off from work. At this point,
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Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace. We are asking Patrick to
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Speaker 1: sit down with investigators since he is the last person
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Speaker 1: to talk with Kelsey face to face. Based on our investigation,
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Speaker 1: there have been numerous questions about whether Patrick is a
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Speaker 1: suspect or a person of interest. At this point, We're
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Speaker 1: considering every possibility and I'm not willing to jump to
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Speaker 1: conclusions for a label people involved in this highly complex investigation.
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Speaker 1: Do I think Kelsey's still alive? That's absolutely a possibility,
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Speaker 1: and that is our hope. What was the probable cause
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Speaker 1: to search the home? So in order for us to
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Speaker 1: get a search warrant, we have to have enough information
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Speaker 1: for a judge to sign off on it, and we
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Speaker 1: did have enough information. I judge did sign off on
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Speaker 1: that search warrant, and that's all I can comment on it,
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Speaker 1: sealed search. The more we examine it, the more murky
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Speaker 1: the water becomes. Will the answer be discerned because of
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Speaker 1: text messages and sell phone pings? I want you to
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Speaker 1: listen to what our friend at ko AA, Sam Kramer's discovered.
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Speaker 1: Listen while investigators return for a follow up search of
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Speaker 1: Patrick Frasi's property Tuesday. In Experts says the top evidence
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Speaker 1: is somewhere else. The key I think will be in
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Speaker 1: this case is cell phone analytics. We know Kelsey Barrett's
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Speaker 1: phone sent two text messages November twenty fifth, three days
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Speaker 1: after she was last seen. Mark Poff, a former El
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Speaker 1: Paso County Sheriff's detective and current experts, says paying attention
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Speaker 1: to how the messages were written compared to old texts
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Speaker 1: could signal suspicious activity. You can compare that and you
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Speaker 1: can kind of determine does that look like her style?
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Speaker 1: So then you can kind of get the information of,
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Speaker 1: you know, did she truly send that text message or
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Speaker 1: did someone else use her phone to send that text message?
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Speaker 1: Then there's the reported ping. We don't know how many
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Speaker 1: towers are between woodland Park or Gooding, Idaho, or their
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Speaker 1: exact locations. But we do know the phone hit off
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Speaker 1: a tower nearly eight hundred miles away from her home
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Speaker 1: without reaching any of the other towers via call, text
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Speaker 1: or data along the way. If somebody makes a trip,
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Speaker 1: you can track them very easily. They're hitting towers on
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Speaker 1: the way up. Plus Pop says there's two types of pings.
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Speaker 1: He thinks police received the lesser of the two, giving
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Speaker 1: them a radius between two miles and forty five miles wide,
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Speaker 1: but not in exact location. If it was a ping
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Speaker 1: means that the phone specifically told the tower I'm here
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Speaker 1: and here's why location using GPS coordinates. As police say
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Speaker 1: they continue to make progress on several investigative leads. You're
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Speaker 1: hearing that like me, Holly Hughes, former prosecutor and now
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Speaker 1: defense attorney in the Atlanta jurisdiction, You've tried a lot
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Speaker 1: of cases. You and I've both dealt with cell phone
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Speaker 1: data and scientific evidence. I mean, day in day out.
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Speaker 1: Analyze what you've just heard. Well, they're absolutely right. They're
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Speaker 1: going to look at not only the fact that there
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Speaker 1: was a ping, but linguistically, is this her language? Is
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Speaker 1: this the way she speaks. Are certain words spelled the
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Speaker 1: same way? Or does she use shortcuts? You know, we
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Speaker 1: all know about lol and you know VTW. There may
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Speaker 1: be a shorthand that she herself has developed. And when
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Speaker 1: they pull those records, they're not just looking at what
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Speaker 1: happened in the time she went missing until now. They're
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Speaker 1: going backwards Nancy, and they're going to take a look
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Speaker 1: at the language she uses. And there are experts, you know,
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Speaker 1: linguistic experts who will say, this does not sound like her.
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Speaker 1: She didn't use this particular type of syntax. Some people
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Speaker 1: don't use sunctuation when they text. So all of those
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Speaker 1: little tiny details are what is going to trip up
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Speaker 1: someone if they are faking that they are Kelsey when
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Speaker 1: sending these messages. And people don't understand how absolutely solid
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Speaker 1: this type of evidence can be. You know, they think, well,
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Speaker 1: I wasn't seen. Well, murder is not a spectator sport.
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Speaker 1: We usually don't see a murder being committed. But it's
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Speaker 1: all those little things that they did not think of
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Speaker 1: afterwards that are going to trip them up. And when
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Speaker 1: you package all that together, it's what you and I
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Speaker 1: call and the law calls totality of the circumstances. So
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Speaker 1: you've got all the suspicious behavior you've got, he's the
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Speaker 1: last person to see her. You start adding in this
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Speaker 1: cell phone evidence, and something just doesn't pass the smell test.
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Speaker 1: You know. Another issue, She does have family in Idaho,
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Speaker 1: but nowhere near those cell phone things. Was her Let
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Speaker 1: me just say, kidnap her. I mean, for all I know,
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Speaker 1: she's sitting on pool float into Hiti right now. I
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Speaker 1: don't know that. I don't think that's what's happened at all.
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Speaker 1: But did someone make it look like she was headed
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Speaker 1: to family in Idaho? Again, this was nowhere near her
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Speaker 1: relatives in Idaho. But is that what someone is trying
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Speaker 1: to suggest? Also, both of her vehicles are parked right
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Speaker 1: there at her home. Why would she take a different vehicle?
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Speaker 1: She's got two sitting in the driveway her home completely
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Speaker 1: and disturbed. Her brother went in and found her luggage,
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Speaker 1: found everything neat and in order. Cinnamon rolls were cooling
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Speaker 1: on the kitchen counter. Everything was fine, only missing her
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Speaker 1: purse and cell phone. Now back to the pings to
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Speaker 1: doctor Brian Russell, psychologist, lawyer, host of investigation discoveries hit
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Speaker 1: series Fatal Vows. Doctor Brian with crime online, you know,
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Speaker 1: and with Jackie and with Alan, we talked throughout the
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Speaker 1: day every day, starting in the week, early morning hours,
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Speaker 1: going through crime news, missing people, missing children, to determine
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Speaker 1: what we are going to focus on that day. Okay,
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Speaker 1: it's for that moment, what is important right now? What
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Speaker 1: is the most important, because it's all important. Very often,
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Speaker 1: you know, I write in abbreviated style, and I remember
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Speaker 1: at CNN, stop laughing, Jackie, I remember at CNN HLM,
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Speaker 1: I would write the whole staff, you know, here are
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Speaker 1: five stories I've just found. Investigate. I mean, at least
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Speaker 1: that's what I meant to say. And I remember, very
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Speaker 1: often this is your team. Interns or new staff members
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Speaker 1: would write back, what are you saying? Because the way
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Speaker 1: I wrote it in abbreviation, sometimes there'll be one letter
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Speaker 1: for multiple words. Okay, all right, So Holly's right. You
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Speaker 1: develop your own syntax when you're texting or writing, and
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Speaker 1: if you're doing it on the goat not that I
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Speaker 1: would ever text while driving, but if you do it
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Speaker 1: on the go, you develop a communication that nobody else has.
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Speaker 1: When you communicate with typed text, you lose the stylistic
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Speaker 1: aspects of somebody's handwriting that you can use to authenticate it.
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Speaker 1: So what you have to rely on are the kinds
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Speaker 1: of things that you're talking about. Characteristic uses of capital
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Speaker 1: versus lowercase letters, characteristic abbreviations, characteristic uses or non uses
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Speaker 1: of punctuation, characteristic syntax, characteristic grammar or grammar mistakes. All
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Speaker 1: these Well, we're saying syntax. Can you explain what we're
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Speaker 1: talking about? So if I'm going to tell you, you know,
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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see you at your house for
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Speaker 1: Christmas Eve dinner, you know that I could tell it
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Speaker 1: to you like that, or I can say can't wait
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Speaker 1: to see you for Christmas Eve dinner at your house.
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Speaker 1: It's just a slightly different way of saying the same thing.
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Speaker 1: And when you look at how I tend to say
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Speaker 1: stuff to people, you can find patterns that somebody who's
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Speaker 1: trying to send you a text ast Bryant Russell, doctor Brian,
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Speaker 1: I would totally right. See the ladder you the ladder
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Speaker 1: at sign you house, probably the picture of it, the
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Speaker 1: little emoji capital C, capital E to me that would
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Speaker 1: say see you at your house Christmas Eve. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: maybe an exclamation point. So if I'm trying to impersonate you,
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Speaker 1: and I write that all out, that would actually be suspecially,
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Speaker 1: even though it would be a totally normal way to
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Speaker 1: say it would be suspicious because that's not what you
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Speaker 1: would typically. Yeah, the whole everybody I'll crime online would
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Speaker 1: fall over dead if I wrote it, a whole entire sentence,
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Speaker 1: grammatically correct, with punctuation. That is not ever going to
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Speaker 1: happen ever, period. And if it did, they they call
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Speaker 1: nine one one immediately and report my husband David. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So yeah, the cops would have a tail on him
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Speaker 1: in about fifteen minutes. So Brian, not only then the
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Speaker 1: particular language of the text, which in itself calling into
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Speaker 1: work and said I'm gonna be gone for a week, No,
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Speaker 1: but the particular language is now taking significance. The search
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Speaker 1: is on for a missing mom, a twenty nine year
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Speaker 1: old flight instructor with a little baby, a baby girl.
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Speaker 1: Tip line seven one nine sixty eight seven nine two
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Speaker 1: six to twenty five thousand dollar rewards. She was a
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Speaker 1: farmer kid. She drove his swauthor for her dad. She
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Speaker 1: worked the hay farm. A passion for flying. She'd watched
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Speaker 1: the crowd Duster's take off, and she says, I want
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Speaker 1: to do that. Kelsey Barrett's uncle says his niece discovered
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Speaker 1: both growing up in rural Washington States. I think she
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Speaker 1: had a point in her life she didn't know she
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Speaker 1: wanted to be a farmer or a pilot. I mean
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Speaker 1: she wanted both, and she considers her mother her best friend.
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Speaker 1: Kelsey and her mom typically talk quite often. I mean
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Speaker 1: they were attached at the hips since she was a
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Speaker 1: little which is why Stanfille believes Kelsey wouldn't have just left.
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Speaker 1: It was really weird for Cheryl not to have heard
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Speaker 1: from Kelsey, and now he's left, like the rest of
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Speaker 1: Kelsey's family wondering and warring miss her. Waterman, You're hearing
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Speaker 1: our friends at Denver News nine speaking to Kelsey's uncle,
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Speaker 1: Ed Stansville, and what a woman this Kelsey Brett sounds
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Speaker 1: like a loving mom, a devoted daughter, devout Christian flight instructor.
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Speaker 1: I could just see her as a little girl out
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Speaker 1: on a farm, out in the farmland, looking up at
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Speaker 1: a cropduster and saying, I want to do that. She
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Speaker 1: has she has done that. I can't bring myself to
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Speaker 1: speak about her in the past tense, like so many
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Speaker 1: people are doing. But to Ellen colaurin Crime online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter. In the last hours, a new development.
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Speaker 1: Is it true law enforcement has been back out at
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Speaker 1: Phrasey's place. That's right, Nancy. Yesterday morning, it appears that
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Speaker 1: multiple law enforcement agencies at least five car vehicles were
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Speaker 1: seen leading Phrasey's thirty five acre property. And remember this
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Speaker 1: is after he was seen at that waste management facility.
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Speaker 1: But the Colorado Eure of Investigation said in a statement
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Speaker 1: it was a routine follow up visit to his property.
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Speaker 1: And again they have not refilled if any evidence has
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Speaker 1: found has been found. All they have said was that
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Speaker 1: they didn't find Kelsey there. You know, I love the
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Speaker 1: way the cops taught Hollyheen is because you and I
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Speaker 1: both know what that means. Holly Hee's with me now,
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Speaker 1: Atlanta criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor. A brief follow up,
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Speaker 1: routine visit. There's not a darn thing routine about digging
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Speaker 1: up your farm with a bobcat a backhope and bringing
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Speaker 1: cadaver dogs out to smell all over your thirty five acres.
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Speaker 1: There's not a darn thing routine about that. And then
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Speaker 1: a follow up visit. Am I wrong? You are dead?
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Speaker 1: On and answer you hippidel on the head, because usually
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Speaker 1: what the police will do is you and I know
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Speaker 1: is if they want to follow up interview, they're inviting
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Speaker 1: you to their house because they want you off kilter.
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Speaker 1: They want you uncomfortable. They want you to not be
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Speaker 1: at home surrounded by your own things, where you feel
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Speaker 1: like I'm the king of my castle. I'm in control,
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Speaker 1: I've got this. You also don't tend with moving equipment,
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Speaker 1: heavy machinery and a team of police officers. You get
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Speaker 1: one or two detectives. If it's just a routine follow
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Speaker 1: up whoko, they sit down, and that's usually done with
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Speaker 1: a witness, not a suspect, not a person of interest.
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Speaker 1: Now they haven't come out and called him that, but
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Speaker 1: anybody with a pair of eyes is looking at that
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Speaker 1: Bobcat and going that's not routine. So I mean total
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Speaker 1: agreement with you, Nancy. There's a lot they're not taking
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Speaker 1: and they'll do that again to protect the integrity of
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Speaker 1: the investigation. But nobody's a fool. When you go out
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Speaker 1: with a Bobcat, you're not having a chat. You are
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Speaker 1: looking for evidence. Hella, you're right, and I want to
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Speaker 1: go to Vincent Hill. Cop turn a PI author of
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Speaker 1: playbook to a murderer. Vincent Hill. Now I keep hearing
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Speaker 1: from the cops, so I'm gonna go to ek to
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Speaker 1: clear this up for me. That they'd love to sit
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Speaker 1: down and talk to him as they put an ie
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Speaker 1: interrogate the ying gang out of him, But his lawyer
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Speaker 1: insists he has cooperated. Listen, Vincent Hill. Kelsey's Beyonce Patrick
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Speaker 1: Frazy told police last saw her Thanksgiving afternoon when he
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Speaker 1: picked up their daughter. Kelsey was not reported missing until
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Speaker 1: ten days later by her mother. Patrick has done everything
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Speaker 1: that he has been asked for by law enforcement. Jeremy
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Speaker 1: Low Patrick Frazy's attorney says his client has been interviewed
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Speaker 1: by law enforcement, voluntarily released his phone to be searched
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Speaker 1: by investigators, and provided photographs along with cheek swabs for DNA.
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Speaker 1: Police have said phrase is cooperating. I have no reason
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Speaker 1: to believe that he is a suspect, and the police
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Speaker 1: have not isolated him as a suspect in this case. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you were here from our friends at NBC Today at
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Speaker 1: Joe Freyer reporting that the fiances lawyer says that he
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Speaker 1: is cooperating with police. But AKA, before I go to Vincent,
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Speaker 1: isn't it true that the cops keeps saying we'd love
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Speaker 1: to talk to him? There seems to be disconnected seen
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Speaker 1: his lawyers saying and what police are saying. As of Friday,
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Speaker 1: when police first executed the search warrant on his property,
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Speaker 1: the sheriff said that they have been wanting to interview
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Speaker 1: him in person, one on one, just him, and so
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Speaker 1: far he is only communicated through his lawyer unless something
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Speaker 1: has changed since Friday. That was the last that we
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Speaker 1: heard and he has not spoken to the police on himself. Two,
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Speaker 1: it's a hill former TURNPI. You know you are an
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Speaker 1: inner city Nashville cop now turned private investigator. Tell me
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Speaker 1: what that means. Interpret cop language for me, because at
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Speaker 1: a press conference, somebody asked, well, why did it take
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Speaker 1: the fiance ten days to report her missing? And the
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Speaker 1: Woodland Woodland Police Chief Miles DeYoung says, you'd have to
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Speaker 1: ask him translation. He hadn't told us, Yeah, Nancy. So
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Speaker 1: when I hear routine, I laugh at it. So here's
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Speaker 1: the thing. He was initially interviewed because that's typically what
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Speaker 1: you do during a missing person. Hey, what was she wearing?
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Speaker 1: When's the last time you saw her? But now they
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Speaker 1: want to turn this interview more into an interrogation to
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Speaker 1: answer those questions, Hey, what happened, where were you at?
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Speaker 1: How come you didn't reporter missing? So those are the
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Speaker 1: questions police want to ask now. But now since he's
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Speaker 1: hiding behind his lawyer again, he hasn't been named the suspect,
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Speaker 1: but it's very suspicious, Nancy, take a listen to you inside. Addition,
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Speaker 1: speaking to Sonya Oliver, neighbor, as police step up the
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Speaker 1: search for a missing mom, a friend is coming to
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Speaker 1: the defense of the fiance at the center of the mystery.
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Speaker 1: Police say Patrick Frazy is the last person to have
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Speaker 1: seen twenty nine year old Kelsey Barrett alive. I was
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Speaker 1: considered him to be a gentle soul, soft spoken and
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Speaker 1: just really down to earth and practical. Sonia Oliver says
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Speaker 1: she has known phrase a rancher for five years. Do
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Speaker 1: you think he possibly had anything to do with his
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Speaker 1: fiance's disappearance. I couldn't imagine him doing anything that would
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Speaker 1: harm anyone. You personally do not believe he had anything
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Speaker 1: to do with it. I just can't imagine Patrick doing
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Speaker 1: anything like that. Police say. Phrasie has so far refused
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Speaker 1: to talk to them. I'm just hoping that everything pans
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Speaker 1: out to be okay. You know, I've been thinking about
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Speaker 1: this a lot, Hollyhe's if my husband went missing, I
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Speaker 1: don't know that I would lay your up. What do
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Speaker 1: you make of it? You know, when people go missing,
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Speaker 1: if you love them and you're not involved in a
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Speaker 1: name of defarious activity, you are in a panic. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you are in I want everybody in the world to
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Speaker 1: know this. I want to publicize that. I want to
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Speaker 1: get help from the police. I'm going to report it
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Speaker 1: right away. Ten days the mother of your baby girl
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Speaker 1: is missing, and you don't think to reach out for help.
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Speaker 1: And another thing when we you know, let's go back
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Speaker 1: to those texts for two seconds, she says, I'm not
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Speaker 1: coming to work. Not once does this loving, caring, devoted
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Speaker 1: mother reach out and say, how's my baby? How's she doing?
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Speaker 1: Ellen Colauren, We just heard a neighbor describe him basically
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Speaker 1: as a gentle giant. But you've reported otherwise. One woman
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Speaker 1: interviewed by Daily Mail out of vigil for missing Kelsey Barrett.
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Speaker 1: I'd worked with Phrasy years ago. He's a cattle farmer.
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Speaker 1: He works in horse grooming. He does rodeoing all sorts
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Speaker 1: of things with animals and farming. She said that she
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Speaker 1: stopped letting him work with her horses because he was
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Speaker 1: violent with them and because he kicked one of them
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Speaker 1: in the stomach because it didn't it was disobedient, and
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Speaker 1: multiple other people said that they had seen him act
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Speaker 1: somewhat aggressively aggressively with animals, even though they had different
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Speaker 1: interpretations of how violent it was. Another thing is the
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Speaker 1: all email reached out to his Patrick's ex girlfriend. She
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Speaker 1: wouldn't talk, but her current partners partner did talk, and
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Speaker 1: he said that he cheated on her while she was
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Speaker 1: in the hospital. All of those rapports regarding pushing a
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Speaker 1: horse and cheating on the ex girlfriend are not confirmed
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Speaker 1: by crime online dot Com. Right now, cops on the
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Speaker 1: hunt for Kelsey Barreth as her little girl hopes mommy
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Speaker 1: comes home for Christmas. There's a twenty five thousand dollar
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Speaker 1: reward tipline seven nine six seven nine two six two.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off good Bye friend.