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Fraggle Talk: Back to the Rock - Ep. 203 "When Mokey Met Lanford" · Muppet Fan Podcasts with ToughPigs.com

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  Hello and welcome to Fraggle Talk Back to the Rock, the
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  unofficial Fraggle Rock podcast brought to you by
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  toughbakes.com. This is the podcast where we
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  cover Fraggle Rock Back to the Rock episode by episode, along
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  with the talented performers, producers, writers and builders
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  who helped put it all together. I am your host, silly creature
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  Johannes. Today we are talking about
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  Season 2 episode 3 When Moki met Lanford, in which Moki branches
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  out to make a new best bud who really believes in her.
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  I'm sorry, these plant puns are a bit mulch.
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  Thank you so much for the polite laughter this week.
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  We are so stoked to welcome two extremely special guests back to
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  the podcast. First up, she is the performer
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  behind the Storyteller Fraggle Cotterpindoozer and the Fraggle
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  Fives artist in residence, Moki, It's Donna Kimball.
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  Hi, Donna. Hi, Joe.
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  Hello everyone. Wonderful to have you here.
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  Thank you for coming back. I'm delighted to be here.
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  Thanks for having me. Also joining us is the performer
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  inside Ma Gorg, as well as Lanford and the character find
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  of 2024 Little Rago, it's Ingrid Hansen.
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  Hello, Ingrid. Hello.
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  Thank you both so much for joining.
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  I'm very excited to talk about Moki, talk about Lanford, and to
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  talk about Moki and Lanford with you.
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  We're delighted. And just so the audience knows,
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  Ingrid and I all while you were talking, Ingrid and I are making
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  faces at each other. I was.
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  Trying so hard not to. Look too much Donna.
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  That's I miss you too. That's pretty much how we spent
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  our our work days, catching each other's eye across the set and
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  making goofy faces at each other.
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  Yeah, and everything. Can happen below the frame.
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  Oh yeah, I know. Yep, whatever it gets high.
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  So, Donuts, tell me, what, if anything, changed for you in
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  your approach to Moki between seasons one and two?
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  Oh, and my approach, you know I. Felt a little.
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  More free this season for sure. I felt like I just think the
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  writers are so great on this show and they really understand
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  us and want to understand us as performers and how our
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  personalities mesh with the characters personalities.
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  So I just felt like I just hit the jackpot this season in terms
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  of everything that Moki had to do and even things that
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  storyteller got to do. I think she was sprinkled
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  throughout like the potent spies she is.
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  And so I, I felt a little more, I think a little more secure and
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  therefore a little more free. So I could go a little farther,
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  push myself a little harder, those kinds of things, without
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  resting on the laurels, if you know what I mean.
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  Ah, it's another plant. Plant pun.
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  More laurels? Oh, hey.
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  It is now, yes, Yes, yeah, 'cause 'cause you're a fantastic
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  improviser. And I have to assume there's so
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  much improv with specifically, like Moki and the storyteller
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  and also Cotter Pen, especially when she's standing next to the
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  architect. And we've talked to some of the
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  writers already on this podcast talking about trying to write to
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  the strengths of those improvisers.
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  So did you feel like you're kind of getting lines that felt like
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  something that you would say? Oh, definitely, definitely.
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  And I think that's just from, you know, time together and
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  getting to know one another and I'm feeling a little more free
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  to try things. And that means improvising some,
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  some new stuff and, and feeling, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm pretty
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  confident and I, I'm OK with pitching an idea because I'm OK
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  if, if someone doesn't want that idea.
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  I am not too attached to my ideas that I pitch.
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  So I like, you know, feeling collaborative and, and getting
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  some ideas out there. But if someone says, OK, let's
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  do it that way once and then we'll do it my way.
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  And I go, oh, OK, you're just doing that to be nice.
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  But OK, I'll just show you my way and see what happens.
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  But but yeah, you know, throwing out ideas, not being terribly
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  attached. But yeah, I just, yeah, writers
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  are just, you know, I bow down. I bow down.
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  They're very talented, they're very good at their jobs.
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  Ingrid, you were all over season one, but this is the season is
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  like kind of your first real jump into getting your own
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  regularly recurring character that you that you perform solo,
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  I should say, as opposed to Mog Org.
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  Can you talk a bit about like what that journey was like for
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  you? I think I got a call from Johnny
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  saying we have a character who's a real weirdo that speaks only
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  in gibberish, and I thought of you, and I was like, yeah, yeah,
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  that's me typecast. Go be a coach.
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  So I mean, working with Lanford and with Donna and with
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  everybody was so much fun. It's so it's so fun to play a
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  character who it's I love working in gibberish and non
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  language based stuff. And I really milked Lanford for
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  all he was worth, like the some of the first scenes with him
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  and, and this for that scene, like I just started, he just
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  started imitating anything that Moki said and the the directors
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  and editors kept it in. It was just so fun.
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  But you know, none of that was scripted or directed.
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  That was just me letting Lanford be a little joyous idiot, you
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  know? So I.
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  Was wondering about that. I loved I loved to hear that
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  that was your choice because Lanford it must be so hard for
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  any character that doesn't speak and like who also they they
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  drive the plot by existing, but not by anything they're actually
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  doing. So the fact that you get to
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  like, do this and to have so much comedy and so much to say
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  is really kind of driving Lanford forward and to make
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  Lanford like a, you know, someone's favorite character for
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  sure. Yeah, he has a lot of opinions
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  and he, he thinks he's very, he thinks he always knows what's
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  going on. And he, it's kind of like he
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  thinks he can speak English, but he doesn't have a like a tongue
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  or a the same mouth structure as a, as a fraggle.
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  So he, yeah, he, you know, he, he has a lot to say and but
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  usually no one. Else does perfectly.
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  Totally. I have to say, when I heard that
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  you were playing Lanford, I was like perfect, perfect.
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  Because I think, I think Johnny mentioned this, that after
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  season one, they realized that they had two super talented
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  people who weren't were slightly underutilized and one was Keira
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  Hall and one was Ingrid Hansen. So they both got a speaking part
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  of their own this season, which is tremendous.
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  And we're so thrilled for all of them.
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  But yeah, when I heard that you were Lanford, I was like, Oh
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  yeah. Because I, I, I said this once
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  before that you, Ingrid, are my favorite combo of performer in
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  that you're in, you're totally insane and you're totally free.
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  But you're such a pro, you know, you're just such a professional
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  both. And both of those things exist
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  within you. And I just, it's just that a joy
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  I was. Just reflecting last night, I
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  was telling my partner that in one of the sessions where we
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  were recording the song with when Mokilat Lang met Langford
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  and the big duet song that we sang, I was in the recording
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  studio and in the Zoom meeting on Pops, Harvey Mason Junior.
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  And I was like, what? They're like, Oh yeah, yeah,
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  yeah. You know, producer for Yeah.
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  President of the Grammys. No big.
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  Jackson like, yeah, like. And here he is, listening to me
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  go. He wrote it, right?
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  He wrote that song. I mean, we'll talk about that
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  song in a bit, but like, I mean, I assume that he would want to,
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  like he did it on purpose, like he wanted to hear it.
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  Yes, he has a yes. It's him and his team.
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  That's yeah, yes. So yeah, yeah, he knew it was
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  coming. Oh, he knew.
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  Oh yeah. Oh.
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  Yeah, I've I've so many more questions about Lanford, but
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  we'll, we'll get into it as we watch this episode, 'cause
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  there's a lot of Lanford in this episode.
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  Let's jump into it. Let's let's not hesitate.
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  It is morning in Fraggle Rock. The recent winds have been
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  keeping Moki awake. This is her driving force of
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  this episode. And she's so tired that she
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  mistakes these four Fraggles who kind of look like Gobo, Red,
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  Wembley and Boober for her friends.
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  This is not the first time, excuse me, This is not the last
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  time that we'll see doppelgangers of the Fraggles in
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  this season. If it's a little, little tease
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  for later on, it makes me wonder, like, I don't want to
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  say that all Fraggles look alike, but maybe there's like
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  multiples of everybody, like spares, maybe.
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  Is that a thing? I don't know about that.
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  I don't know about spares. I think each Fraggle is their
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  own individual person. Moki just had that haze of lack
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  of sleep. Yes.
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  Yeah, clouded her and I think with the.
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  Doppelgangers. It's more like to show that you
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  know these fraggles, The above ground fraggles and the below
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  below fraggles are from very different worlds, and yet they
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  all have so much in common. It's true, yes.
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  It's more about the common ground than about them all being
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  clones. Yeah, one of the fraggles these
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  these not Fraggle 5 Fraggles Moki refers to as Rhonda and.
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  Was, Oh yes, the elusive Rhonda Fraggle.
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  Do we finally meet Rhonda? Well, which one of the group is
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  Rhonda? Do we know that's?
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  What I was going to ask you do. You know what I mean?
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  I mean, I think it's it's great that we don't haven't quite
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  pinned down Rhonda, but I just love that her name is Rhonda I.
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  Just. I've loved that one from the
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  first in the first season. Or did the Fraggle 5 just call
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  every other fraggle Rhonda? Oh, just yeah.
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  Like, hey bud. Like calling somebody bud or gem
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  or dude. So one thing that we're trying
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  to do, we're trying to identify a lot of these background
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  fraggles because you all have been doing such a good job of
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  posting behind the scenes stuff on on social media this year.
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  And we're starting to learn like, oh, that Fraggle that
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  shows up a few times, like has a name.
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  Oh yeah, they. All do, yeah.
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  We're we're trying. To figure it Out by Jurgen.
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  Jurgen knows all of their names and I.
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  Think Jurgen name then I think. Oh.
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  Originator. I don't know.
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  I don't know. Maybe somewhere.
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  You know what I don't know? That's a good Jurgen question, I
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  hope, but I think either Jurgen or one of the builders in LA
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  named yeah. But their names are like, you
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  know, Dicky. Vicky Mcshnaz.
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  Yeah, there's a Halle Fraggle. Halle, OH.
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  Hat. Great, he's got the hat.
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  Gosh, is there a gun? Peach pit cantaloupe.
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  Cantaloupe. And they do.
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  Those are the little baby Fraggle.
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  Yeah, yeah, those 3. Babies.
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  I love it. It's adorable and we have so
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  much work to do to update them up at wiki to figure out which
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  one is honey. Dude, get on it nerds And.
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  We're trying, so we're doing this podcast.
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  So Gobo suggests that maybe what they need is a little routine.
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  Let's get back to the 30 minute work week.
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  And Buber has a line. He says nothing like the
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  drudgery of work to soothe the soul, which is almost identical
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  to something that he said in the original series episode, The 30
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  Minute Work week. He says tedium and drudgery are
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  good for the soul. That was a nice little little
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  touch. Did you even notice that that
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  that was a little? Homage.
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  No, I did not. So many homages for nerds like
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  us to glom onto. It's kind of it's really true.
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  It is true, yeah. Especially, I mean, when we
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  started this pandemic thing that none of us asked for and
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  suddenly we're all like out of our regular routines, that
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  really threw, threw a lot of us off.
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  I mean, among other reasons. But yes, yeah, yeah.
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  Not to bring us down with talking about the pandemic, but
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  yeah, sorry about that. Everybody.
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  This is where we get our first song of the episode.
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  The song is working, which is also from the episode 30 minute
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  work week from the original series.
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  And everyone gets to show off their signature jobs.
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  Moki is in the garden picking radishes.
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  How do you how do you feel about that?
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  About Moki being the one who seems brave enough to actually
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  venture into the Gorg's garden every day.
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  To get vanished. I know, I know, I love that.
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  Well, especially now that the Gorgs are all you know, we're
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  palsy with the Gorgs for now. For.
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  Now. But yeah, I, I, yeah.
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  What did she do before then? What did she just sort of peek
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  out, just grab what was there? Just I think she just went
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  throughout the caves to to gather, to forage and gather.
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  I sure. I mean the old show, the the
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  original Fraggle Rock. It seemed like she that was her
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  job because she was like almost aloof enough to feel like, oh,
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  it's no big deal, this is the job, so I'm just going to go for
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  it. And like almost unaware of the
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  danger. And now the new, the new Moki
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  doesn't really have that disconnect from reality like the
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  like the original. I don't know if it's, I actually
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  don't know that it's a disconnect from reality.
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  Joe, I'll quibble with you on this.
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  Yeah, please quibble away. It's a.
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  Feeling a connectedness to The Cave itself and the different
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  types of life forms. I think she feels like she knows
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  them and she's the one who knows them.
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  So like this is guys, this is my lane, OK?
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  Yeah, these. Mushrooms.
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  They don't like to get picked past dawn, you know, they're,
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  you know, at night time's OK, but after that they get a little
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  grumpy. So yeah, it's like that.
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  I like it. Yeah, I'll take it.
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  I'll take it. She's in tune.
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  She trusts the universe. Totally in tune, she does.
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  Yeah, Right. Right.
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  So she's not that. She's disconnected from reality.
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  She's very connected to reality. To her.
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  Own reality? Yes.
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  Aren't we all? Wait, who am I?
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  What am I doing? Where do I live?
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  You're on a podcast. You're on a podcast.
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  OK. In the song, Gobo's dancing with
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  these two creatures that kind of look like like Fraggle sized
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  doozers or like a little furry. They're kind of doozer colored.
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  I had, I tried to find them. I found they're from the
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  original series. They're called Marshy and Bog.
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  I don't know if that's still their names, but it's what they
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  were called the old show. So in case you were wondering, I
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  don't know which one's Marshy and which one's Bog, but that's
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  their names. They don't know either.
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  Probably not. Yeah.
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  I believe you. And then the only other thing
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  about the scene is that there's just so many Fraggles.
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  And this is, I love that you are doing this.
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  And if not every episode, almost every episode that there's just
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  a scene where there's like 30 Fraggles hanging out in the
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  backgrounds. It looks so good every time.
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  Yeah, I mean, Greta, Jordan Canning, I think the director of
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  this episode for just. I mean, we could talk about
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  Jordan a lot. She's amazing.
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  We love. Her.
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  She's our shero. Yeah, and she's so great at
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  animating the world and, and really cares about seeing the
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  depth of the fragile universe. And she's also a puppet nerd.
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  And she really authentically loves the show and loves the
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  puppets and is, is bringing out these these old puppets from the
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  original series and be like, they need to be in here.
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  This guy needs to be in here. Put that thing up there.
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  Like, yeah. And that one, yeah, the and the
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  layering of the world's. And case in point is, you know,
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  the Boober doing the laundry and then they pull back and it's
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  Wembley running and forward doing his little siren thing and
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  then pulls back even for. So we're like we're hanging off
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  to the side ready to sort of jump in.
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  And I think Amy and I did the, the two fraggles, one has the
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  hose and one has the, the hose on the wheel and gets, you know,
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  yanked, it gets yanked out. So that's, that's Amy and I.
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  So we're all always, you know, doubling up.
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  But I, I just love that one. That to me was like a diorama
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  that unfolds before your eyes. And I think Jordan really excels
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  at that. Oh yeah.
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  And just and making that world seem so huge as you talked
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  about. Yeah, there's there.
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  And there's a lot of shots like that throughout the season of
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  long camera pans, like long shots and things that I don't
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  think, you know, we always talk about these great puppetry
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  moments that you don't know are really hard to do or a really
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  big performance because they look so natural, like that's the
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  you'd know this, but that's the point of them.
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  But I think what Jordan is doing and, and the other directors as
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  well is creating these long camera shots or, or angles or
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  whatever that are supposed to be big and cinematic.
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  But we don't think about, oh, impossible that must be to do
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  when you're 4 feet up and, you know, you're trying to hide the
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  puppeteers and people are running around, you know, below
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  the stage. I can't, I can't picture it at
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  all. I'm glad that Jordan could
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  picture it so she could direct it.
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  Right. And I think all of our
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  directors, JJ had some really cool shots too that we're
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  pushing through with Red and Boober pushing through to
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  everyone going Nope to the Nope scene.
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  I love that one too because the set is so huge.
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  And to be able to show how huge the set is and just again, with
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  with the layers and such. And this is a non sequitur, but
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  I think my absolute favorite shot was I posted this on social
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  media. That was 3 monkeys.
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  It was in. It was maybe he went this way.
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  Langford What? And then you see your trip and
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  then you see you're swinging from a branch where it was 3
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  monkeys with Kira, Ben. And then I was on the last one
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  just so amazing. And it was there was one sort of
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  big column of dirt in between, which is where Kira was hid
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  behind that. And then Ben took the stunt
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  monkey and made her fall. And then she fell out of sight.
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  And then the, the, the camera swoops in and goes over and
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  tilts down onto then we see Moki, you know, dangling and
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  I've got a blue suit on so you don't see me.
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  But I just thought, wow. And we got it on like the within
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  4 takes, I think we got it. And that's, and it was towards
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  the end when like man, our, our camera a it's a four person team
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  on our main camera. And wow, they were just, I, I
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  used to just go and talk to them and say, how do you, how are you
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  guys doing this? And they say, we do it just like
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  you guys. We're just always communicating.
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  You get this, I'll get this, I'll do this and I'll you do
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  this. And but it's pretty much just
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  like you guys. We work as a team.
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  We try to read each other's minds, but just really some
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  gorgeous directing, gorgeous camera work.
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  Yeah, it's a whole thing. It's always a dance with the
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  camera because the cameras, you know, a lot of a lot of older
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  Muppet stuff. Do you see a lot of locked shots
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  where, you know, you might see a 2 minute scene play out in a
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  locked shot where it's all just about the puppets living their
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  lives. But when you have the moving
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  camera, you're always doing a dance where you're trying to,
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  you know, if you have those long, long shots and there's 30
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  puppeteers and you get 1 puppeteer's head and oh, we got
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  to do it again. Oh, we got to do it again, you
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  know, so it's the camera. Camera operators are doing a
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  real dance, too. Well, and you know, the, the
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  fact that because you're already in Season 2 and you don't have
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  that time that you probably had to take at the beginning of
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  season one, where everyone's still kind of getting used to
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  each other. And you have that shorthand of
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  collaboration where you really, it seems like the Fraggle Rock
• 20:22
  team can, can do anything because like, I know how you
• 20:27
  move and you can trust me that I'm going to do the right thing
• 20:30
  and etcetera, etcetera. It's that that it's, it is a it
• 20:34
  is beautiful that the collaboration is so successful
• 20:36
  with all of you. Well, thanks.
• 20:39
  Hey, you're welcome. I always liken it to being like
• 20:43
  the the puppet show. The part that gets on camera is
• 20:46
  kind of like the tip of the iceberg.
• 20:48
  And then below the ocean, like below the the bottom of the
• 20:52
  camera's frame is all these bodies like crammed together and
• 20:56
  rotating around and like and having to see and a web of
• 21:00
  monitors. And sometimes you have people
• 21:02
  moving the monitor mid shot so it can go from one place to
• 21:04
  another, so you can see it when you go around a corner.
• 21:07
  And it's really, really like I get I really nerd out on that
• 21:12
  dance. It's like the dance of below
• 21:14
  frame. Yeah.
• 21:16
  Yeah, it's fascinating. Someone just put a GoPro down
• 21:20
  there like show us what it's like, yeah.
• 21:23
  Well, with the BTS that you know, we've posted, you can see,
• 21:26
  I mean, there's not that there's really not a lot.
• 21:29
  We can only get our heads out so much because we have to see the
• 21:31
  monitor. So it's we can't duck our heads
• 21:33
  down completely or we just won't be able to see anything.
• 21:35
  And not like I think Carol Spinney and I guess Matt Vogel.
• 21:39
  Now they have a monitor on their chest, so their head.
• 21:41
  I did as well. Down.
• 21:43
  Yeah, well. I did as well in heart.
• 21:45
  Oh, right, yeah. But that gets, you know, that
• 21:49
  gets the head down. But they're already in a,
• 21:53
  they're already in something. So yeah, not, not a lot.
• 21:56
  It's happened a few times. I think it happened under
• 21:58
  crystal or someone wore a monitor, you know, on their
• 22:00
  chest. And that does get their head
• 22:01
  out. But most of the time it's just
• 22:03
  us, you know, trying to scrunch. Our chiropractors love us.
• 22:06
  Yes, we're. Very scrunchy.
• 22:09
  I'm sure, I'm sure. Keep them in business.
• 22:14
  So the Doosers are setting up wind chimes all over Fraggle
• 22:18
  Rock so they could track the Gusty's, and as Cotter Pin is
• 22:23
  showing off the first one, Wrench and Turbo are blowing on
• 22:27
  it and it looks like they're puffing their cheeks out.
• 22:30
  Is is that a puppet effect? Does that really do?
• 22:33
  Can can those dozers do that? I don't remember if that was
• 22:38
  practical or if that's a little CG embellishment.
• 22:41
  I don't recall. Do you remember Iggy?
• 22:45
  I think it's just the mouth. I think it's just the mouth
• 22:49
  mechanism moving. That's my guess.
• 22:51
  It's just by by because the, the user's face is all this very
• 22:55
  delicate, flocked, foamy material.
• 22:58
  And I, I imagine that when you pull the lip down with the lip
• 23:02
  trigger, it just, it does do that to the cheeks.
• 23:06
  But I. Don't know.
• 23:08
  Or yeah, yeah, don't know. Or they're just real living
• 23:12
  creatures, and that's just what happens when you, yeah, blow on
• 23:16
  a on a wind chime. No.
• 23:19
  Well, whatever the answer is, I'm impressed.
• 23:20
  Like if it's CGI, didn't know it was CG.
• 23:23
  If it's a puppet effect, I'm super impressed.
• 23:26
  If it's just something that they've always been able to do,
• 23:29
  that's awesome. So let's let's talk a little bit
• 23:33
  about Kotterpin since she's in the scene.
• 23:36
  Did anything change for you about Kotterpin between season
• 23:38
  one and two? Really, I, I really love how
• 23:42
  steady she is. I, I think, I think what changed
• 23:48
  might have been just Johnny and I just got a little crazier in
• 23:51
  between, in between takes with our, with our Oh my gosh.
• 23:55
  OK, I have to tell you, I, I, I drew Johnny's name for Secret
• 24:00
  Santa. And this was really rough.
• 24:04
  And I thought, oh, crap. You know, because it's like
• 24:06
  Johnny, you can't phone it in. You can't just get him a gift
• 24:08
  card. So I, I'm, I, I went to the
• 24:13
  props department and everyone and just gathered little
• 24:16
  trinkets from like, broken bits of Doozer sticks, you know, a
• 24:19
  broken Doozer helmet. And I turned them all into
• 24:22
  ornaments. Because.
• 24:23
  Johnny loves Johnny loves Christmas, I love Christmas.
• 24:26
  But I thought, what am I going to do for the tree Topper?
• 24:28
  And I was like, oh, I have to make the architect as a tree
• 24:32
  Topper. So there somewhere maybe I can
• 24:35
  post this. I have to get permission.
• 24:36
  But I got a Styrofoam head. I actually got they gave me a
• 24:41
  visor and antenna, actual doozer antenna.
• 24:45
  And I think Jason made gave me an extra little wig and mustache
• 24:50
  for, for him. And so the head looked exactly
• 24:53
  like architect. And then for his little body, I
• 24:55
  I did strips of script and it was all our ad libs.
• 25:00
  Carapin, did I ever tell you about the time I was Fabio's
• 25:04
  pool boy? Tell me again, Sir.
• 25:07
  So it was just those two lines, but in strips all around and I
• 25:11
  curled them to look like a gown. So.
• 25:15
  So we we went a little nuts. Yeah.
• 25:17
  So and then I put it on the tree in the in the lobby next to
• 25:21
  craft service and he discovered it with a bunch of people
• 25:25
  around, which is really fun. So I think just really, we just
• 25:30
  went nuts. And I really love that the
• 25:32
  architect just got just crazier and crazier and wearing the
• 25:36
  strawberry hats and the wigs and all of that stuff.
• 25:38
  I I just love. And Cotterpin, I think we ended
• 25:40
  every scene with Cotterpin going, this hat's a winner.
• 25:46
  Don't you think? Some of the US made it in and
• 25:51
  some did not. It's her new catch phrase.
• 25:53
  Yeah, I I just love when there's a character that can literally
• 25:58
  get away with saying anything, and the Architect does it for
• 26:03
  me. So good.
• 26:04
  Yeah, and they're a good pair. She's a good straight man.
• 26:06
  I think for him, she's just all all about business and getting
• 26:10
  the job done. And yeah.
• 26:13
  But that's that's also the storyteller.
• 26:14
  The storyteller does that for me where she can she can say or do
• 26:18
  anything. It's in character and it's
• 26:20
  always hysterical. Oh yeah, there was this one.
• 26:24
  There was this one time during right after radishes and
• 26:28
  strawberries where Boober leaves and then they come back and it's
• 26:33
  the two sides are going at each other and storytellers sort of
• 26:36
  left in the middle trying to keep each side calm.
• 26:39
  And so they just let me improvise for a really long
• 26:43
  time. It didn't.
• 26:43
  None of it made it in. It was like I just like went on
• 26:47
  and on. But I think one of my favorite
• 26:49
  was Guys I've I've been divorced like 7 times.
• 26:53
  I get it OK, but you can't come to blows even though you really,
• 27:01
  really want to. And when I say really, I know
• 27:04
  because husband number four, let me tell you, I just went off and
• 27:09
  they. Just didn't let me.
• 27:13
  So that's good stuff. And now I'm curious what Fraggle
• 27:15
  marriage is like. We've never seen a married
• 27:17
  Fraggle, have we? Oh yeah, I may have.
• 27:20
  I may have effed with the lore a bit.
• 27:22
  No, add more lore. That's what we want.
• 27:25
  Build, build on the Lord. Well, Season 3, Storyteller's
• 27:30
  eighth marriage. That's we'll look forward to it.
• 27:34
  That's right. And you know who she has her eye
• 27:36
  on? I do.
• 27:39
  Starts with it from, ends with an.
• 27:41
  Act mustache as a song. It's beautiful.
• 27:47
  Oh, it's so good. So Moki comes back from the
• 27:51
  Gorg's garden and she comes across a giant plant that has
• 27:54
  been uprooted and knocked over by the wind.
• 27:56
  And who is it? It's Lanford.
• 28:01
  Lanford was like maybe the number one character that I
• 28:05
  heard about after season one of people being like, yeah, it's
• 28:09
  great that we got the Fraggles back and all these background
• 28:11
  characters and the Gorgs, etcetera, etcetera.
• 28:13
  But where's Lanford? Really.
• 28:16
  Yes. Heard a lot of people asking for
• 28:18
  Lanford. Yeah, so great.
• 28:21
  I'm glad he's back. So did you do any research of,
• 28:24
  like, what the old Lanford acted like or spoke like, anything
• 28:27
  like that? Or did you just feel like you
• 28:29
  had carte blanche to do whatever you wanted?
• 28:31
  Both. Yeah, yeah, I watched, I watched
• 28:35
  a bunch of the re watched a bunch of the OG episodes with
• 28:38
  Lanford in them. And then also because the the
• 28:41
  puppet was quite redesigned with a very different shape and all
• 28:44
  these different things. And I felt completely free to to
• 28:48
  go wild with it, which is so much fun.
• 28:52
  And you know, there's so much leeway because he's a plant, so
• 28:58
  he can do, he can do whatever you want.
• 29:02
  Ingy did you get a chance to? Because oftentimes if it's a new
• 29:06
  character, they, the creature shop, when we have a moment, can
• 29:08
  go in and play with the character, make friends and ask
• 29:12
  for any sort of modifications. You got a chance to do that
• 29:14
  right? With the pot and everything.
• 29:16
  Yeah, a little bit. I mean, it was always, yeah, I
• 29:21
  did a little bit. And then I, I poor, poor Dusty
• 29:24
  in the creature shop I kept, I really worked that mouth palette
• 29:28
  on that puppet and make it trying to make, you know, make
• 29:30
  him scrunch his face in a weird little disturb, you know,
• 29:34
  expressions. And eventually I kept peeling my
• 29:37
  peeling his lip away and my fingers would poke through.
• 29:40
  And for dust. You had to glue it back in many,
• 29:42
  many times. The thing is with those that
• 29:44
  beautiful puppet too, is it's all carved out of soft thumb.
• 29:47
  So beautifully carved. But the the Fraggle set is
• 29:52
  coated with this like screechy, you know, fake rock stuff that's
• 29:58
  quite sharp and. It's like the scratchy side of
• 30:01
  Velcro and the fraggles are the soft side.
• 30:05
  So now you can imagine. And the the soft foam puppets
• 30:09
  that aren't even covered with the fleece, they're so much more
• 30:11
  vulnerable to getting sliced by that.
• 30:13
  So I had to navigate that. Keep your little leafies safe.
• 30:18
  Which must have been hard for a character who's literally rooted
• 30:21
  to the ground totally. Totally.
• 30:24
  And you also have your your face and your body and your torso
• 30:26
  like smushed up against the set all the time.
• 30:30
  So yeah, I cut up his sleeve, he's a few times and you had to
• 30:34
  glue back together. He'll be OK.
• 30:36
  They grow back. That's what leads to yeah.
• 30:40
  He's a Hardy breed. Puppets too, right?
• 30:42
  They just grow back. Yeah, great.
• 30:48
  I hear all the wranglers going. Oh God, yeah.
• 30:54
  Moki immediately asks him if he wants to come live with her in
• 30:58
  red. Like she doesn't even like, it's
• 31:00
  not even like, like, do you want to get out of here?
• 31:03
  Do you want to like, what's what's what?
• 31:05
  What are your hopes and dreams? It's just immediately like, oh,
• 31:07
  you're sentient. Do you want a new home?
• 31:09
  And Lanford's like, yeah, let's do it, best friends.
• 31:13
  You know, you know. You know Joe.
• 31:14
  When you know, you know. When you know, you know it's.
• 31:17
  True. And it I feel like that's a lot
• 31:18
  of little kid relationships too, right?
• 31:20
  It's like you're 5 and there's another kid who's near, like,
• 31:24
  lives next door to you or just moves in who's also five.
• 31:27
  You're like, you're 5, I'm five. We're best friends.
• 31:29
  Done. Like, there's no, it's just.
• 31:31
  Yeah, yeah. That's not the big really
• 31:34
  happened to me and other Muppet fans like there are people who
• 31:39
  and like and people who are like puppeteers like like that.
• 31:41
  You probably know who it's like we just have that moment of we
• 31:44
  should be friends. We have this thing in like,
• 31:48
  let's just be friends. We're friends now.
• 31:49
  It's not like by the way, I'm Joe like that's it.
• 31:53
  You know, there's there's that's that's the first thing we say.
• 31:57
  Yeah, these little things will bring us together.
• 31:59
  Yes, in outer space Doc is building a model of a wind
• 32:05
  turbine and when she turns on the fan it breaks, but she also
• 32:09
  hears the Doozers wind chime inside the fraggle hole.
• 32:14
  She wonders out loud if maybe it was.
• 32:16
  It's like Misses Schimelfini installed a wind chime and
• 32:20
  immediately misses Schimelfini from off screen shouts no.
• 32:24
  Do you know who that was as Misses Schimelfini?
• 32:28
  I've voiced Schimelfini in season one, but I think that
• 32:32
  that Shimelfinny might have been my bud Kira.
• 32:35
  I don't know, that's just a guess.
• 32:38
  We'll have to ask Kira if that was if that was them, because
• 32:41
  I'm curious. Like there was no, there was no
• 32:43
  credit as far as I could find. So like one line, you should
• 32:46
  still get a credit. Got to got to add add it to that
• 32:49
  Muppet Wiki page. It was Rhonda.
• 32:51
  It was Rhonda. Yep, Rhonda.
• 32:53
  Or yeah, I don't know. I love that they kept the
• 32:57
  Shimelfinny name. Is Missus Shimelfinny's first
• 33:00
  name Rhonda? Rhonda did.
• 33:02
  We just crack this wide open. Yes, everybody's not already
• 33:08
  named his name Rhonda. Done.
• 33:10
  Yeah, updating the wiki now. Later in the episode, we'll skip
• 33:15
  ahead just so we're not jumping back and forth with Doc and
• 33:17
  Spraka too much. But later in the episode, Doc is
• 33:20
  investigating the location of the wind chime, and she manages
• 33:23
  to get like her entire upper body inside the Fraggle hole,
• 33:26
  which is a great image. But also, I think this is the
• 33:30
  furthest any silly creature has ever been into Fraggle rock.
• 33:35
  Think about that. It kind of makes me feel like
• 33:38
  season three, she's going all the way in.
• 33:41
  Oh. No, I.
• 33:44
  Don't know either. I know it's exciting to think
• 33:47
  about. Yep, world's colliding.
• 33:49
  That's right. Someone's got to do it.
• 33:51
  It might as well be Billy Cooper.
• 33:53
  Yeah, who was wonderful on this show, by the way?
• 33:56
  Like I, I. Well, yeah, she really is just
• 33:59
  great love. Her.
• 34:01
  What a treat. I love the way she performed a
• 34:03
  stock. Yeah, yeah.
• 34:06
  Finally, what we were all asking for after season one is you have
• 34:09
  Lily Cooper and you in on a musical show and you don't.
• 34:12
  And Amy Garcia. And Amy Garcia, too.
• 34:15
  Yeah, she. Was just in, I think a lot of
• 34:18
  choral numbers in the occasional step outline, but yeah, to have
• 34:23
  two such amazing singers just really get to to belt it all
• 34:28
  out, it's just so great. How lucky we are.
• 34:32
  We are we are the lucky ones. We are so Moki brings Lanford
• 34:39
  into Fraggle Rock to meet everybody.
• 34:42
  OK, so she's like walking into the scene holding Lanford, and
• 34:46
  like you said, it's a jumble of human beings below.
• 34:48
  I cannot picture what position the two of you are in, or if
• 34:52
  there's even just two of you, if there might be more.
• 34:55
  There's a name for it, Joe. Tell me it's.
• 34:58
  The benevolent headlock. Yes, I've never done this
• 35:02
  before, Don, which is. Also my punk band name.
• 35:04
  That's my punk band name. I love that.
• 35:07
  But I literally am. It's like I'm whole have my arm,
• 35:10
  both arms around Ingrid's head. So if you can imagine, I'm
• 35:14
  holding Ingrid's head, hence the headlock.
• 35:18
  So you know, Moki is and the pot is right up against my forearm.
• 35:24
  And so Ingrid's body is pretty much right up against mine.
• 35:26
  And so one, the moki's right arm is hopefully attached to the pot
• 35:32
  and then that's that way it's just two of us.
• 35:35
  When it's not attached to the pot and someone's doing it, then
• 35:37
  we're like a three person train, which is a little tough.
• 35:41
  And then what about you with your with your leaves ingy where
• 35:46
  you just always pulled in your arm?
• 35:48
  Usually when we walk, Lenford's got his leaves all tucked into
• 35:51
  the pot. You don't see him.
• 35:52
  But yeah, Donna's like the arm that Donna uses to perform
• 35:56
  Moki's arm rod is literally, like, wrapped around my neck.
• 36:03
  And yeah, and then I get a Donna hug all day long.
• 36:06
  All day. That's right.
• 36:09
  That's why puppeteers here always have a spare deodorant in
• 36:11
  their bag too. You're welcome, Ingy.
• 36:14
  Ingy. You always smell great.
• 36:18
  Can you imagine like having a job where you just get to be
• 36:21
  hugged all day like that's? A little, yeah.
• 36:24
  Yeah, yeah. I would think that might get
• 36:27
  old, but we, yeah. But we would.
• 36:29
  Oh, sure. Yeah.
• 36:31
  But we would say, OK, let's go and we're going up because we
• 36:33
  have to go up together and come down together because we're
• 36:36
  literally attached. So and then walking, walking was
• 36:39
  the hardest part, but I think we got it.
• 36:40
  But I think I just ended up just sort of indicating to you in a
• 36:43
  huge way that I was walking. And so I'm kind of, you see Moki
• 36:48
  kind of marching when she has the pot.
• 36:51
  And that's because I'm basically sort of indicating to Ingrid
• 36:55
  that this that's how we're moving and this is the cadence
• 36:59
  and all of that stuff. But it took, it took a while to
• 37:01
  find, to find all that stuff. But that scene where carrying
• 37:06
  the carrying Lanford and then the pot of soup, dumping the
• 37:09
  soup and then stick in the Lanford, that was that was
• 37:12
  tricky. Puppets and props are always
• 37:15
  tricky. But yeah, so let's work about
• 37:17
  that. Because so first of all, yeah,
• 37:20
  so she, like you said, she dumps out the soup and then Lanford
• 37:24
  goes into the pot. But the IT looks like there's
• 37:28
  real soup in the pot at first, but there obviously has to be a
• 37:31
  hole for Ingrid's arm. Multiple pots, Joe.
• 37:36
  Yes, out. Of here, yes.
• 37:39
  Multiple. Pots.
• 37:40
  Can I tell you how dumb I am that it didn't even occur to me
• 37:42
  that there would be two pots? We have multiples of lots of
• 37:45
  things on the show, and that's how we make the magic, right?
• 37:48
  It's it's like that magician trick of, you know, pulling
• 37:51
  something down and pulling it back up and oh, it's somehow
• 37:53
  changed it. Yeah, it's you're not dumb.
• 37:58
  It's very we're very cheap. You're.
• 38:01
  That's right, you, you found the magic.
• 38:03
  You believed the magic. That's a good.
• 38:05
  Thing I believe everything you all do This is why I'm doing a
• 38:08
  podcast so that I can educate myself on how multiple pots
• 38:11
  work. Yeah, so Buber immediately
• 38:15
  identifies Lanford as a night blooming yellow leafed death
• 38:19
  wart, a germ and the germ capability TBD.
• 38:24
  Yeah, very, very Boober. And he just, he's got a side
• 38:28
  hobby that he loves botany. I love that we're learning so
• 38:31
  much about Boober. Yeah, agreed.
• 38:35
  That was a fun line. He does not have a name yet.
• 38:38
  Wembley loves naming things Shirt.
• 38:45
  Yeah, so great, so dumb. How close Lanford came to being
• 38:50
  named. Shirt.
• 38:51
  Shirt. No.
• 38:52
  Laughs no. No, Lanford has an opinion on
• 38:56
  that. Moki meditates on it.
• 38:59
  She she asks The Cave. The Cave comes up with Lanford,
• 39:02
  and Lanford loves it. I think Moki could have said
• 39:05
  anything and Lanford would have loved it.
• 39:07
  Except shirt. Except shirt.
• 39:09
  Yeah, right. But I think it's that kind of
• 39:12
  preferential thing where Lanford's kind of like a, you
• 39:15
  know, when you meet a cat or a dog that loves intensely, loves
• 39:18
  one person, and then she hates everybody else.
• 39:21
  Yes. Yeah, he's.
• 39:22
  A bit. Lanford is a really good hype
• 39:24
  man for Moki. Yeah.
• 39:26
  You know, just yeah, whatever you say.
• 39:27
  Yes, I'm I'm on board. Let's do it.
• 39:30
  Yeah. Yeah, so Moki puts Lanford in in
• 39:35
  the Buber's bisque pot. And I, like Buber, says, well,
• 39:39
  that pot's contaminated now enjoy keeping it forever.
• 39:44
  And he does. He does keep it forever.
• 39:48
  That night, Lanford is having trouble sleeping, so Moki is
• 39:52
  joining him for gong meditation, which is loud but effective, and
• 39:57
  Pokey comes in and starts playing the flutes loudly and
• 40:00
  poorly to try to help. Obviously Red is not having any
• 40:03
  of this. But what I love about this is
• 40:06
  that Moki and Lanford are wearing matching radish pajamas.
• 40:10
  Yes, adorable. Yeah, we're pretty cute.
• 40:15
  Yeah. Do they make those in my size is
• 40:18
  what I want to know. Oh, there's a bunch of cool
• 40:21
  fraggle swag out now. That's true.
• 40:24
  Yeah. We were seeing that the company,
• 40:26
  I don't know how to pronounce it, if it's results or resvolts.
• 40:30
  It's like RSVLTS and they've been making these great Henson
• 40:36
  branded shirts like button down shirts.
• 40:39
  You can get a. Wembley shirt.
• 40:40
  Banana shirt, right? Yeah.
• 40:42
  They're doing the Wembley Banana Tree shirt which is amazing.
• 40:45
  I need one so awesome also. Like, only real nerds would
• 40:48
  recognize that. What that's from, you know what
• 40:50
  I mean, 'cause it doesn't, it's not like a big, it doesn't have
• 40:53
  a big picture of Wembley on it or anything.
• 40:54
  But true nerds would be like, Oh my God, that's right.
• 40:57
  If you know, you know. Wear it out to, you know, Target
• 41:01
  and the grocery store, and you find your people.
• 41:04
  Yeah, or you find all the Jimmy Buffett fans who are just like,
• 41:08
  yeah, Margaritaville. Great.
• 41:12
  And you're like, no, it's Wembley.
• 41:15
  God, Jimmy Buffett fans in the Gorg's garden, Junior's raking
• 41:22
  and gardening, and Pennsylvania runs out in his armor and sword.
• 41:25
  He's ready to to defend his castle against the Fraggles,
• 41:30
  which I I also have to assume that these are from like props
• 41:33
  from the original show, because I know you guys just reuse that
• 41:35
  stuff all the time. It's just a gorgeous like the
• 41:37
  armor and the big wooden sword. It's just pretty.
• 41:41
  I think some of the armor might be new, I don't know.
• 41:44
  I don't know. Ma's costume is all original so
• 41:48
  it was some small updates and stuff.
• 41:49
  Which is just blows my mind that this I get to perform in a
• 41:53
  puppet that is parts of it are older than I am and that it
• 41:57
  doesn't even smell like they meant to have taken such good
• 42:01
  care of it. The the the rare opportunity I
• 42:05
  get to do something like visit like like one of them up at
• 42:09
  workshops with the handsome workshops.
• 42:11
  I usually go in with the secret goal of like I want to touch
• 42:16
  something that like gym touched or like that's from like the
• 42:20
  old, the old days. And like sometimes you'll find
• 42:23
  like one thing and it's like, oh, OK, I'll just reach out my
• 42:25
  hand and put my finger on it. OK, That's like that's good
• 42:27
  enough. I have a connection to the to,
• 42:29
  you know, this thing that came from 40 years ago, but like
• 42:32
  you're literally encompassed in it when you're in my gorg.
• 42:36
  That's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's pretty
• 42:43
  wild. Yeah, it is wild.
• 42:46
  And I think it's the storyteller is also OG.
• 42:49
  Really. She's been refurbished.
• 42:51
  Yeah, Yeah, I heard. That.
• 42:52
  But that's cool. Yeah.
• 42:54
  I mean, I have to assume like most of those background
• 42:56
  characters are, you know, just, you know, why would you rebuild,
• 43:00
  you know, some of these hyper specific characters, but like
• 43:03
  they've been sitting in a drawer for decades, so why not just use
• 43:05
  them? Yeah, The Cave creatures, yes,
• 43:07
  all the background fraggles are all new builds, but all those,
• 43:11
  most of those cave creatures and the rock monsters and stuff that
• 43:14
  the soft foam doesn't degrade, which is amazing.
• 43:17
  So the the squishy, the squishy mango bird and the Little Rock
• 43:21
  monstery creatures, all those things that they are probably
• 43:24
  repainted or touched up or something.
• 43:26
  But other than that, it's like that foam just doesn't doesn't
• 43:30
  rot. It's amazing.
• 43:32
  That's cool. There's a Bagooni.
• 43:34
  Bagooni is renamed. I have a shot of a terrified
• 43:39
  monkey next to Bagooni. I'll probably never post but it
• 43:43
  was like oh. PTSD.
• 43:46
  Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah.
• 43:49
  Her her abusive ex. Yeah, kind of.
• 43:54
  Scary. Let's talk a little bit about
• 43:55
  Ma. She doesn't show up much in this
• 43:57
  episode, but so in season one, we were the fans were kind of
• 44:03
  complaining a little bit about the fact that Ma and PA Gorg are
• 44:06
  like barely seen outside the castle.
• 44:08
  Like they kind of just stick their head out the window and
• 44:10
  have a couple lines and then retreat back.
• 44:13
  So how does it feel to get to do so much more with Ma Gorg in the
• 44:16
  season? Oh, it's, it's a, it's a totally
• 44:19
  different zone. Like they're full body
• 44:21
  characters and so they don't really play that well when it's
• 44:25
  just a shot of your face peeking out a window and then getting to
• 44:30
  play with them out in the space, interacting with each other,
• 44:33
  dancing, like it's just so much fun.
• 44:36
  And it's kind of there's like an infinite potential to improve,
• 44:40
  improve upon it and and find the nuances of these characters and
• 44:45
  and how they live. Like I got to do.
• 44:46
  There's A and shot in this, I think this episode that Jordan
• 44:50
  Canning encouraged me to do where Ma is walking back into
• 44:53
  the castle and she goes. She's wagging her bomb, yeah.
• 44:57
  Side to side. Sachet.
• 45:00
  Yeah. And that was a discovery where
• 45:02
  it's like the puppets torso is so large that in order to
• 45:08
  articulate the the booty, I think I, I think I like
• 45:12
  sandwiched my elbows into the side of the puppet and then used
• 45:16
  that force to like be able to twist the booty because of
• 45:19
  course, like the puppet's booty isn't connected to my booty.
• 45:21
  There's no right. It's like, yeah.
• 45:24
  So there's always like we're trying to figure out how they
• 45:28
  can sit and lie down without the torsos collapsing.
• 45:32
  And but so much fun getting to play with Sandra O'Shea and Andy
• 45:38
  Hayward, who are in inside of Junior and Pennsylvania.
• 45:41
  And yeah, it's it was, it was. I can't wait to do more.
• 45:48
  Hopefully. Hopefully.
• 45:50
  Hopefully I, I love that that this podcast, we're really
• 45:53
  getting down to like how Gorg booties work, I think.
• 45:56
  That's yeah. We're doing fine.
• 45:59
  Yeah, none of the to the meat of the matter here.
• 46:02
  Yeah, so Junior has discovered that he has new straw, a new
• 46:09
  crop of strawberries in his garden.
• 46:13
  Oh, right next to he. He calls out his prize radish,
• 46:16
  Geraldine, which is also a reference to the old show.
• 46:21
  But, yeah, strawberries, they're everywhere.
• 46:23
  That's it. Might be important.
• 46:25
  We'll see. Keep watching, kids.
• 46:28
  Yeah. In the next scene, Moki is
• 46:31
  teaching a painting class, or at least leading a painting class
• 46:35
  with the other Fraggles, but she is very distracted by taking
• 46:38
  care of Lanford. All the Fraggles are wearing
• 46:41
  very cute little smocks and they have paint on the end of their
• 46:45
  bolubiases they're using as paintbrushes.
• 46:48
  What is what is this substance that's at the end of their
• 46:51
  tails? Like is it just like a like a
• 46:54
  piece of plastic that it's been clipped on or something else?
• 46:58
  Yeah, it's like plastic, like it's like super bendy and shiny.
• 47:05
  I don't know how they do it. I don't know how they do it.
• 47:08
  I mean, I imagine acrylic acrylic paint is like liquid
• 47:11
  plastic, right? So I imagine you could take a
• 47:13
  smooth surface like glass or plexi, paint a thick layer of
• 47:16
  acrylic paint onto it, peel it up when it's dry, and then you
• 47:21
  know, like double stick it to a tail or something.
• 47:25
  I'm sure it's way more difficult and complicated than that.
• 47:28
  Yeah, just something that won't leach color onto the puppet.
• 47:31
  So when they splatter Boober, of course, those are all like
• 47:34
  basically stickers because they can't, you know, put actual
• 47:37
  paint on them. I just remember that that scene
• 47:39
  was very hard to shoot because the easels are all in a in a
• 47:44
  semi circle and then the rock that Ingrid is under.
• 47:49
  And so we all have just very limited space and all of those
• 47:52
  easels are on a wooden something to hold them up.
• 47:56
  So I just remember a lot of tripping and I think we all had
• 48:01
  an assistant to do the tail to do the.
• 48:03
  Painting part. And so it's like holding the
• 48:06
  body away but looking over the shoulder and then knowing when
• 48:10
  to do this to Boober. And this slaps him in the face.
• 48:12
  It was very, it took a long time.
• 48:14
  I remember, I remember that and then figuring out what the what
• 48:19
  the selfie would be. Little selfie bit that was.
• 48:23
  That was interesting too. Yeah, let's let's talk about
• 48:28
  that for a second, because I think first of all, when the
• 48:32
  first time I watched this episode, when Moki says we'll
• 48:34
  just do a selfie. And I thought my first that in
• 48:37
  that instant is no, don't try to throw like like current slang,
• 48:44
  you know, like selfie. What is that like?
• 48:45
  Of course, not thinking the fact that like they don't even have a
• 48:47
  camera. And yes, so she and and Lanford
• 48:52
  pose, she runs and paints a little bit.
• 48:54
  Pose again, runs and paints a little bit.
• 48:56
  I was just watching her go back and forth, hysterical.
• 49:00
  But yeah, you you have to hit that same pose posing at no one
• 49:04
  in particular, by the way, over and over again.
• 49:07
  Is that was that difficult? It was a challenge to see it in
• 49:11
  the script and go, oh crap, I have to make this come to life
• 49:14
  somehow. And so Ingrid and I are going,
• 49:16
  huh, how do we do this? How do we do it, you know, and
• 49:22
  how do we physically execute it? And how do we come up with
• 49:25
  something that's funny? So I think we, we I seem to
• 49:29
  recall that we threw a few ideas around, but I think this is this
• 49:32
  was the one that we settled on that we pose and then, you know,
• 49:36
  Monkey remembers it goes and paints a little bit and then
• 49:39
  pose again. OK, yeah, yeah.
• 49:40
  OK. So it was, it was tricky to do,
• 49:44
  but it was one of those times where you see something in a
• 49:46
  script and go, OK, I gotta, I gotta pull this off.
• 49:50
  Yeah. So yeah, yeah, I thought it came
• 49:54
  out very, very funny. So thanks.
• 49:57
  And Ingrid, you were so so because Lanford's on in the pot
• 50:01
  on the rock. So Ingrid has her basically her
• 50:03
  head shoved into the Styrofoam rock so that her arm can get
• 50:07
  through the rock and through the pot and into the puppet.
• 50:11
  So yeah, you were pretty uncomfy that day.
• 50:13
  I get real squashed. Yeah, and and you have to hit an
• 50:19
  the exact same pose like four or five times.
• 50:22
  Well, I think the fun thing about it is like Moki could
• 50:25
  suggest anything and Lanford would play along and he doesn't
• 50:28
  necessarily even really know what they're doing, but he just
• 50:31
  knows that she's going ha, so he's going blah and then she
• 50:34
  runs away and comes back and goes ha, he goes blah.
• 50:36
  That's. Right.
• 50:37
  You were like a half feet behind.
• 50:39
  Yeah, she could do anything and he would copy it, right?
• 50:41
  Because he just thinks she's the coolest and loves her so much
• 50:44
  and. I did notice that like he is
• 50:46
  kind of like we're doing this again, OK.
• 50:48
  Yeah, he doesn't really know what's going on.
• 50:51
  Sure. Yeah.
• 50:52
  He's just, he's like, you know, my cool big sister is doing
• 50:55
  this, so I'm doing it. Yeah, that's great.
• 50:58
  Yeah. Red confronts Moki about the
• 51:02
  Lanford situation. She says ever since Lanford Show
• 51:06
  Up showed up, she's been a little obsessed.
• 51:09
  And as she says this, Moki has gotten into a pot and is sitting
• 51:14
  there with fake leaves on her hands, which is adorable.
• 51:18
  And so you got, you got to see what it felt like, Donna, to be
• 51:22
  inside of a pot like Ingrid has been for this whole episode,
• 51:25
  right? Yeah.
• 51:26
  So she's embracing the joys of soil living, which sounds like a
• 51:30
  real thing. Right.
• 51:33
  Well, it is. There's a there's a whole
• 51:34
  movement of people who say you have to stand in with your bare
• 51:37
  feet on the dirt 10 minutes a day to ground your ions or
• 51:41
  something supposed. To be good.
• 51:43
  OK, Yeah. I'm all over that.
• 51:46
  All over that, yeah. Some of us don't live anywhere
• 51:49
  near dirt, you know. Just get a Tupperware container,
• 51:54
  fill it with some dirt, it's the same thing.
• 51:55
  Sure. OK, Fair enough.
• 51:57
  Yeah, I gotta get those ions through my feet.
• 52:00
  Yeah. But yeah, they have a big
• 52:02
  argument. Smoky storms out with Lanford.
• 52:06
  Meanwhile, the doosers are continuing to hang wind chimes
• 52:09
  all over the rock. And Powder Pin says everything's
• 52:11
  going perfectly, which is, as we all know when you say that on
• 52:14
  ATV show, the the rule is that something has to go terribly
• 52:19
  wrong. Large Marvin shows up and he's
• 52:22
  starting to eat her wind chime. She says, why can't you just eat
• 52:25
  the buildings? And he says, what buildings?
• 52:27
  Because they got so distracted building these wind chimes, they
• 52:30
  forgot to build new buildings. And not for nothing, it's Cotter
• 52:36
  Pin's fault for making these wind chimes edible to begin
• 52:38
  with. You know, that's kind of that's
• 52:42
  what that's what I do, Joe. That's what just what I do.
• 52:47
  Sorry, Cotter Pin. Yeah.
• 52:50
  I'm so curious, sorry. It also feels like a way you
• 52:57
  could be like, conversation over Joe, move on to the next topic.
• 53:03
  Yeah. Sorry.
• 53:04
  Angry, you were saying? No, I'm so curious, do the fans,
• 53:07
  how did the fans feel about Marvin?
• 53:08
  Because I love him and he's so weird and he doesn't really like
• 53:14
  he's so unique from all the rest of the Fraggle designs.
• 53:16
  And you're like, what is this like Melty Pink?
• 53:20
  Creature. No, I love Large Marvin.
• 53:24
  So in I think it was the last episode with the the twisty
• 53:29
  turny thon and he's got this like beautiful tracksuit on,
• 53:32
  which is exactly what a guy like large Marvin would would wear.
• 53:37
  And, you know, in season one of Back to the Rock, when there's
• 53:41
  the like the council of really, it's like all of the like,
• 53:46
  quote, UN quote adults Fraggles and that like Large Marvin gets
• 53:50
  to be a part of that. And yeah, he just brings
• 53:54
  something really unique to Fraggle Rock.
• 53:57
  And like any Fraggle who visually looks different is
• 54:01
  automatically exciting. But I and I'm grateful that
• 54:05
  unlike the original series, even though his name is Large Marvin,
• 54:09
  there's no like fat jokes. No, like he does like to eat.
• 54:12
  They all like to eat. But yeah, there's no, there's
• 54:15
  no, you know, fat phobia surrounding Large Marvin.
• 54:20
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 54:22
  Yeah, that tracksuit is just is everything.
• 54:25
  Beautiful. Good.
• 54:26
  Yeah. Now if we can just bring back
• 54:28
  Marlon Fraggle and team them up again.
• 54:31
  Do you remember Marlon? Remind me?
• 54:36
  Yeah. So he's, he's like a Peter
• 54:37
  Laurie character. He had, like, one big eye, one
• 54:40
  small eye. Yeah, There.
• 54:44
  Yeah. It's like, yeah, there.
• 54:45
  Yeah. Ingrid's doing an impression.
• 54:48
  I will say the one thing that distresses me from the OG series
• 54:52
  is the episodes where the fraggles have beards.
• 54:54
  I just. Tell me why.
• 54:58
  I just don't like it's instinctual.
• 54:59
  I just look at it and go Nope, no goatees, get them off.
• 55:03
  So do you hate the the world's oldest Fraggle?
• 55:06
  No, no, no, because that's like a a specific character beard.
• 55:10
  That makes sense, but it's like the weird kind of chin strap
• 55:13
  goatees. I'm actually, I'm going to make
• 55:16
  a lot of fans really mad by saying this, but I'm being
• 55:18
  honest. Are you talking about just like
• 55:19
  when the the fur from the puppet is like too far up on the chin
• 55:23
  or they literally have a beard? You watch season one, I think
• 55:26
  it's especially in the opening credits.
• 55:27
  There's some of the background fraggles who have these like
• 55:31
  goatees that are, you know, specific goatees on the.
• 55:36
  It's weird, I don't like it all. Right, I'm going to look for
• 55:38
  that. I can't.
• 55:38
  I can't. I'm having.
• 55:39
  I'm going to be honest. I'm having trouble picturing it,
• 55:41
  which is a good thing. Yeah.
• 55:42
  That means that means that what if it's creepy?
• 55:44
  It has escaped my notice. It's.
• 55:47
  Specifically creepy. I just don't like.
• 55:50
  I don't know why that's OK. There's only two Fraggles who
• 55:53
  are allowed to have facial hair, and it's the world's Fraggle and
• 55:56
  traveling mat. Everyone else?
• 55:57
  Yeah, lean shaving or go home. Yep.
• 55:59
  Yep. Yeah, taking a stance.
• 56:03
  Bring on the haters. So we get our next song here.
• 56:09
  It's the song just takes two. This song, this is such a
• 56:13
  highlight of this episode, the two of you performing this song.
• 56:18
  Lots of singing, plants in the background.
• 56:21
  I'm sure they all have names. We don't need to go through
• 56:23
  them, but they're all visually beautiful.
• 56:27
  There's so much great choreography here.
• 56:29
  Tell me what's the process for like learning the choreography
• 56:35
  for a Fraggle scene? Well, we actually had like
• 56:44
  rehearsal time on this because because we block shoot and this
• 56:48
  was our first block. This episode one O 3 was in the
• 56:52
  first block. So we have like 1/2 day ish
• 56:55
  rehearsal time and that's when we choreographed it all.
• 57:00
  So it's between Ingrid and me and Johnny who assisted me and
• 57:05
  Amy who assisted you. We kind of just, we were
• 57:09
  choreographing it and learning it all at the same time because
• 57:12
  we're all pretty experienced puppeteers.
• 57:16
  So how about this? Does this look good?
• 57:17
  Does this look good? Yeah, let's do this.
• 57:19
  OK. So after this, we'll do this
• 57:20
  bit. OK.
• 57:21
  And so we basically, and I think someone probably filmed it just
• 57:25
  so we would have a record of it so that we would remember on
• 57:28
  shoot day. But yeah.
• 57:30
  And little things like when Moki swaps sides, Johnny has to let
• 57:35
  go of the rods and I have to kind of grab them and then run
• 57:39
  to the other side. And then he has to meet me on
• 57:41
  the other side by going around Amy in front and then grabbing
• 57:46
  the rods again. So, and they're both Amy and
• 57:49
  Johnny are on rolling stools, so they'll be a little lower than
• 57:52
  Ingrid and me. But yeah, it's, it's quite.
• 57:56
  And you see, I think I posted something on social media where
• 57:58
  you kind of see it, but I don't know if you can see how the the
• 58:01
  rod thing happens. But yeah, it's it's kind of it's
• 58:05
  intense. So we knew we'd get that first
• 58:08
  chorus because you lend me that whole bit through.
• 58:13
  So we did that pretty much all in one.
• 58:15
  And then the in the background bits that the little creatures
• 58:18
  in the background, the background plants had, they have
• 58:20
  their own choreography too that they're doing.
• 58:24
  So yeah. Are you?
• 58:26
  Literally like, are you literally like in one of those
• 58:29
  rehearsal rooms with the big mirror as you're doing it, or
• 58:32
  are you on set as you're kind of developing this choreography?
• 58:34
  We were on set. Yeah.
• 58:36
  With just regular lights, No, no fancy lights, no fog machine or
• 58:40
  anything. And I think we, and we did have
• 58:42
  a camera because that's how we saw monitors.
• 58:44
  So they just sort of throw a camera up and we're just using,
• 58:47
  you know, the regular house lights to sort of lay it all
• 58:51
  down and get a, a basic idea. And then for like the twirl, we
• 58:58
  knew that we, they said, can you, you know, sometimes when
• 59:01
  puppets have their hands locked and they're spinning, it's, it's
• 59:05
  one puppeteer that happens fairly often.
• 59:07
  But this was the first time that I, I put a line of tape on the
• 59:10
  floor so that I could stay within frame as I spin
• 59:13
  backwards. Because when you're spinning,
• 59:15
  you can't even really check a monitor anyway.
• 59:18
  So I just sort of made sure that their eye lines that were
• 59:20
  looking at each other and then spun and then got the monitor
• 59:25
  and it worked out okay. But that was the first time I
• 59:27
  had Lanford on, which was fun, but it's quite a, it's quite a
• 59:32
  heavy load to have Moki, who's pretty heavy anyway, and then
• 59:35
  Lanford and the pot. Yeah, they go and all that.
• 59:40
  But gosh, it was fun. Then and director Jordan Canning
• 59:44
  really storyboarded out that musical number too, and how to
• 59:47
  really like, you know, had some specific requests for that kind
• 59:51
  of 90s best best friend cheesy style choreography of like
• 59:55
  back-to-back and pointing and all this really cute.
• 59:59
  Cute. Yes, and of course, The Dirty
• 1:00:01
  Dancing lift. That.
• 1:00:03
  Is such an iconic moment for this season.
• 1:00:07
  It was in, I don't know if you knew, like it's in all the
• 1:00:09
  promotional materials that were sent to us before the show
• 1:00:11
  premiered. Oh, that's right.
• 1:00:13
  Yeah. And I love that little Lanford
• 1:00:17
  is trembling and straining like she's oblivious.
• 1:00:21
  You know, she's just like, woo Hoo.
• 1:00:23
  She's living in a bus life. He's.
• 1:00:26
  He's a plan. He's not that.
• 1:00:28
  Strong are you? Are you?
• 1:00:29
  Arms are made of cellulose. Sure.
• 1:00:33
  He's he's lifting her with the power of photosynthesis.
• 1:00:38
  Are you both on a on a like a green screen or blue screen in
• 1:00:42
  that moment, or are you just kind of matted out later on?
• 1:00:45
  Donna was in the blue suit, right?
• 1:00:48
  Johnny and I were in the blue suit.
• 1:00:49
  I think Johnny was working the tail in that shot.
• 1:00:51
  So we're literally behind her and then we like let go.
• 1:00:55
  And then you see the puppet's legs and they get that for
• 1:00:58
  reference. And then they put it all
• 1:01:00
  together at the end and you were underneath a rah.
• 1:01:05
  Now who was doing your rod? Oh, your rods were attached to
• 1:01:07
  Moki weren't? They Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:01:08
  So Lanford's leafy hands were pinned to Moki's body.
• 1:01:12
  And then. Yeah.
• 1:01:14
  And we shot that on the actual Fraggle Rock set.
• 1:01:17
  So that wasn't shot in blue screen, but just Donna and
• 1:01:19
  Johnny wore blue suits. So they get like.
• 1:01:21
  That's cool. It looks so good, it really
• 1:01:24
  does. Yeah, I was really happy with
• 1:01:26
  how that turned out. And that song is just, I think
• 1:01:29
  I've said this before, but when I when I heard the demo of that
• 1:01:31
  song, I was like, I get to sing this.
• 1:01:34
  It's so. Great.
• 1:01:36
  And I it's the type of song where you listen to one time and
• 1:01:39
  then you can sing it because it's such a.
• 1:01:41
  Yeah. So great, it's just.
• 1:01:43
  Such a near worm. It's a bop.
• 1:01:45
  Well, the best part of the song, you know what I'm going to say?
• 1:01:49
  It's Lanford's verse. Right.
• 1:01:52
  That Lanford sings a whole verse.
• 1:01:54
  It's not just like a little bit of like a word here or there,
• 1:01:57
  like, you know, like a like if it was like Bunsen and Beeker
• 1:01:59
  singing a song and beepers just kind of beeper, excuse me,
• 1:02:02
  Beaker is just, you know, singing a couple of lines here
• 1:02:05
  and there. But like you get a whole like,
• 1:02:08
  what is Lanford saying? It's amazing.
• 1:02:11
  Very emotional. Yeah.
• 1:02:13
  Pouring his heart out. And you?
• 1:02:15
  Put your own spin on it. At the end you went that was all
• 1:02:19
  you that wasn't on the demo. So the demo has someone doing a
• 1:02:23
  Lanford impression. Yeah, yeah, yes.
• 1:02:26
  And a moki. Impression.
• 1:02:28
  Sam is one of Harvey's team and he has an amazing falsetto, so
• 1:02:32
  he does all he's Moki's voice and I don't.
• 1:02:35
  I guess Andrew was probably the voice of Lanford.
• 1:02:38
  I think so, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:02:41
  We've got to hear these. Demos to us, they disappear.
• 1:02:47
  But yeah, yeah, demos are amazing.
• 1:02:49
  And they all Harvey's team. They, they're amazing singers in
• 1:02:54
  their own right and they, they do the harmonies, they do all
• 1:02:57
  our parts and they really, really try to have the spirit of
• 1:03:01
  our character and it's so helpful.
• 1:03:03
  They do a great job of of singing the demos in a fraggly
• 1:03:06
  character you like in Yeah, in a fraggly spirit, so.
• 1:03:12
  Yeah, at this point in the episode we get our travelling
• 1:03:15
  mat postcard. He's at a gym and he's getting
• 1:03:18
  everything wrong about how to use gym equipment, which can be
• 1:03:21
  dangerous. Like you, you shouldn't use gym
• 1:03:23
  equipment if you don't know how to use it.
• 1:03:25
  You could get hurt. It's not really what this is
• 1:03:27
  about, but I'm just saying that is APSA.
• 1:03:31
  He sends back tube sock, which Buber seems pretty excited to
• 1:03:35
  see, and the postcard says if hat guy says it looks like a
• 1:03:40
  giant sock, be sure to tell him it's much more than that and you
• 1:03:44
  know what it is. I think Buber would have known
• 1:03:46
  that anyway because he feels pretty strongly about socks.
• 1:03:51
  I just love that they use the phrase hat guy.
• 1:03:53
  Yeah. Who's that guy?
• 1:03:55
  Which is funny, because Matt also wears a hat.
• 1:03:58
  He's also a hat guy. They decide someone should talk
• 1:04:04
  to Moki, who understands what it's like to obsess over things.
• 1:04:06
  And so although I feel like they all kind of obsess over things
• 1:04:10
  in their own way, they give the job to Boober, who is currently
• 1:04:13
  obsessing over cleaning this filthy sock.
• 1:04:18
  Uber finds Moki in Lanford. Moki is finishing a story, she
• 1:04:23
  says. And that's when I realized that
• 1:04:25
  I could taste colors. Is this an ad Lib Donna?
• 1:04:29
  No, that was, I know. They were so good.
• 1:04:34
  I, I, I loved that, Yeah. So no, that was all credit to
• 1:04:38
  the writers there, which I guess.
• 1:04:39
  Was well done. Johnny and with with Matt and
• 1:04:42
  Alex, Yeah. Yeah, that's, that sounds
• 1:04:45
  exactly something you would say, Buber tells her like he knows
• 1:04:49
  exactly what she's going through.
• 1:04:50
  It's so much easier to focus on what you can control over what
• 1:04:53
  you can't. And Moki admits that she does
• 1:04:57
  need help. And she feels like she's
• 1:04:58
  sinking. She's literally sinking,
• 1:05:02
  figuratively, but also literally because she's slipping into sink
• 1:05:06
  soil. And this is a great image too,
• 1:05:10
  where like, her feet are firmly in the soil and Moki is wearing
• 1:05:15
  the like, her green dress and her arms are out.
• 1:05:17
  She looks like a big plant. So tell me how this scene is
• 1:05:23
  filmed. Like how is this shot composed?
• 1:05:27
  Well, we shot the the bits where she the scene with Buber doesn't
• 1:05:32
  have any effect or anything. It's just the two of them, a
• 1:05:36
  half body mochi and everything. She's just in the area.
• 1:05:39
  So we don't have the soil yet. But I just loved that scene so
• 1:05:43
  much. I just thought it was really
• 1:05:46
  beautiful. And I mean, I think we all can
• 1:05:50
  relate. And I think in this post
• 1:05:52
  pandemic world, unfortunately, kids can relate to, to, to
• 1:05:57
  overcompensating with, with focus and care when on, on
• 1:06:02
  something that you can control when life feels uncontrollable.
• 1:06:05
  And I just, I just think it was lovely and I loved it.
• 1:06:09
  That was that moment between Buber and Moki I thought was
• 1:06:12
  just super, super special. And then when we get to the
• 1:06:16
  dirt, they're little like, is it cork pellets or?
• 1:06:23
  Rubber. It's like a rubbery substance,
• 1:06:25
  kind of like kind of like the rubber that's on the bottom of
• 1:06:27
  those kids playgrounds, but it's all the dirt is made out of lots
• 1:06:32
  of little tiny nubbins of this rubbery stuff with the.
• 1:06:35
  Crumbles. Yeah, and Donna, so it's fine.
• 1:06:38
  Rained down on her. She.
• 1:06:40
  Hides, yes. So I was, I'm trying to
• 1:06:43
  remember. Oh, you know what it was.
• 1:06:46
  Brendan was underneath, underneath pulling Moki.
• 1:06:51
  And so Brendan's actually getting rained on and I have a
• 1:06:54
  blue suit and I'm going through the back of Moki's head and then
• 1:06:58
  two other people are doing her rods sort of sticking out.
• 1:07:02
  So, so yeah, it's it's Brendan, I think that's pulling her
• 1:07:05
  through this gasket and. Her toes.
• 1:07:08
  They're raining down and stuff. And so we have to push her up,
• 1:07:11
  pull her down. And incidentally, holding a
• 1:07:15
  puppet straight out is one of the hardest positions to
• 1:07:20
  puppeteer in when you're holding a puppet absolutely straight
• 1:07:23
  out. For me, it's just, it's just
• 1:07:25
  killer. But luckily we didn't take that
• 1:07:27
  many. Yeah, it didn't take that many
• 1:07:29
  takes. But I just loved the the effect.
• 1:07:33
  And even before that, when you see at the very end of the song
• 1:07:35
  where you see her little feet and start just start to sink
• 1:07:38
  into the soil, that's Johnny doing the feet, by the way.
• 1:07:40
  I was, I was off doing something else.
• 1:07:42
  But yes, the fun puppetry effects and then later.
• 1:07:47
  Yeah, no, the the slingshot like this.
• 1:07:51
  Oh my God. So later she is halfway down and
• 1:07:55
  so that is me getting getting rained on.
• 1:07:58
  But then when they the grabby flappy and then, yeah, then it's
• 1:08:03
  the stunt Moki flying through, which we shot in slow MO for our
• 1:08:08
  own BTS fun, yeah. I have I have a slow MO video of
• 1:08:11
  it somewhere. And well, Jurgen, who's just
• 1:08:14
  such a brilliant puppet builder and Wrangler was so excited to
• 1:08:17
  have this idea where he fed a rubber piece of rubber tubing
• 1:08:20
  through the sock, the grabby flappy and attached it on one
• 1:08:24
  end to Moki and then the on the other end so that you could
• 1:08:27
  stretch it and pull it and then let go.
• 1:08:29
  And Moki would be pulled by the elastic to rock it out of the
• 1:08:33
  dirt and smack into the fraggles.
• 1:08:35
  So it was a very, very lever rig to make the actual effect of
• 1:08:39
  somebody being pulled out of, you know, pulled out of a hole
• 1:08:44
  and that real smack. So it's that's all real.
• 1:08:47
  That's all shot real. That's not.
• 1:08:49
  And there were two Moki's in that scene.
• 1:08:51
  I think Amy was in the hole with stunt Moki and let go.
• 1:08:54
  And she would just like, OK and let go.
• 1:08:56
  She got the link. And then they all had to fall
• 1:08:58
  down. And then Moki gets up with them.
• 1:09:00
  So I'm kind of hiding underneath to to get up with Amy in the
• 1:09:04
  hole doing the yeah, the stunt. Muggy.
• 1:09:07
  So fun Little Texas switch. There.
• 1:09:10
  Oh, I love it. I love a good, good stuff.
• 1:09:15
  The episode kind of ends. We see the actually first we
• 1:09:17
  were talking about these these long sweeping shots.
• 1:09:19
  We get another one of those that's kind of starts at Doc's
• 1:09:22
  Fraggle Hole and goes underground through Fraggle
• 1:09:25
  Rock. We see some fun creatures like
• 1:09:27
  skin Frith and like this blue armadillo looking guy in an ink
• 1:09:31
  spot. I don't know if you know who I'm
• 1:09:33
  talking about when I say blue armadillo looking guy.
• 1:09:35
  There's another one where like I don't think we know what what he
• 1:09:38
  or it is called you. Mean the grey blue rock monster.
• 1:09:42
  It's a blue rock. Monster early tale.
• 1:09:46
  See, now, of course I don't have it in front of me, but I'll
• 1:09:48
  just, I'll like e-mail you a picture of it and be like, what
• 1:09:51
  is this thing? You might not actually be blue,
• 1:09:53
  but be lit with a blue light because.
• 1:09:55
  I can't that could be they are underground, so there could be
• 1:09:58
  any kind of light or, or like the rocks kind of affecting what
• 1:10:01
  I feel like I'm, I think I'm seeing on screen.
• 1:10:05
  It doesn't matter. This is this is only important
• 1:10:07
  to like 12 of us. So Red and Mochi are sitting on
• 1:10:13
  Red's hammock, which is also a cool visual that like, like
• 1:10:16
  there's weight to the Fraggles when you see them on something
• 1:10:18
  like a hammock. I love that Red says that
• 1:10:23
  Lanford isn't all that bad and they can go visit him whenever
• 1:10:27
  they whenever Monkey wants. And Monkey says great, because
• 1:10:30
  Lanford's going to live with them and Lanford's right outside
• 1:10:33
  the window and Red is not happy about that.
• 1:10:37
  And then Pokey shows up again, playing their flute and a little
• 1:10:41
  bit of chaos as we fade to black.
• 1:10:46
  Pogie and Lanford, I'd love you know.
• 1:10:49
  Later we see Pogie pretending to be a plant trying out this time.
• 1:10:55
  Oh my gosh, that's one of my favorite moments when Kanye was
• 1:10:58
  was like sort of start Pogey would like start to steal a
• 1:11:02
  glance. How am I doing?
• 1:11:04
  Then who the right back into character.
• 1:11:06
  So flippin funny. Oh my gosh.
• 1:11:09
  And as Pogey is just my favorite, so brilliant, so
• 1:11:13
  funny, but it also so authentic. Like, I think he really, really
• 1:11:17
  deeply understands who Pogey is in that, that beautifully
• 1:11:21
  innocent character who just wants to be everybody's best
• 1:11:24
  friend. I would love to see more.
• 1:11:26
  I want more Pogy, more Pogy and anything.
• 1:11:28
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same.
• 1:11:29
  I mean, obviously we get a great episode later the season that's
• 1:11:32
  a fantastic spotlight on Pogy, but I kind of want to see season
• 1:11:37
  three. I'm, I'm planting this seed,
• 1:11:39
  another plant pun, but I'm planting this seed that I want
• 1:11:42
  to see episodes where we don't see the Fraggle 5 at all.
• 1:11:47
  Like give me a Pogie solo episode or yeah, a large Marvin
• 1:11:52
  episode or you know, anything. The storyteller episode.
• 1:11:54
  Like, like, let's dive deep into like, what are they doing when
• 1:11:58
  Gobo and the rest of them are off on some adventure?
• 1:12:00
  Like, Condo and I are really fun.
• 1:12:04
  Yeah, Condo and I were talking about how because there's one
• 1:12:07
  moment where Pogie and Little Raggo have a little chat about
• 1:12:10
  what they were doing last night or something.
• 1:12:12
  And we got, we just riffed on that.
• 1:12:14
  Like what would Pokey and Raggo, Little Raggo do all night?
• 1:12:16
  They're probably just be jumping up and down, just like let's
• 1:12:19
  jump up and down, OK, and then jumping.
• 1:12:21
  Down all night long. Or yeah, I want to see Pokey's
• 1:12:25
  world beyond what Pokey does. But like, on their own
• 1:12:28
  adventures for sure, yeah. I, I wanted to ask this at the
• 1:12:33
  top of the of the podcast and I, I kind of forgot, but you
• 1:12:36
  mentioned Little Raggo again and Little Raggo does not appear in
• 1:12:41
  this episode, but can you explain to me where Little Rag O
• 1:12:46
  came from? Well that's one of the OG
• 1:12:49
  puppets. Yes, but like the character?
• 1:12:52
  Yeah, like, like. It has yet to be disclosed.
• 1:12:56
  Little Rag O's back story. OK.
• 1:12:59
  But I they feel to me, they feel like somebody who's really
• 1:13:05
  interconnected to the rock, but like in a very kind of like a
• 1:13:08
  background scene kind of way, like little rag O somebody who
• 1:13:11
  who knows everybody, who knows everything that's going on.
• 1:13:14
  But, you know, I'm just, I'm just here, don't if you need me
• 1:13:16
  kind of thing. OK.
• 1:13:18
  Yeah. All right, so that's that feels
• 1:13:20
  like a tease for a future storyline in which we're going
• 1:13:25
  to learn a whole lot more about Lil Raggo.
• 1:13:28
  You're making promises, Ingrid. Or they can just maintain them.
• 1:13:33
  Man of mystery kind of mystique. Yes, I love that.
• 1:13:40
  I just love that when I call Lanford my sweet son, yes, it's
• 1:13:45
  about my sweet son Lanford. That's the first time she's, you
• 1:13:49
  know, giving him a a specific type of relationship.
• 1:13:53
  But I don't know. I don't know when that happened,
• 1:13:55
  but also when in the lost fraggles episode where course
• 1:14:00
  Moki doesn't meet slow pokey sadly, but you Lanford, you meet
• 1:14:08
  your doppelganger, which is a big mushroom that Dan Garza
• 1:14:11
  puppeteered right? And they Manford, Manford and
• 1:14:16
  and you sob and throw throw Lanford throws a temper tantrum
• 1:14:19
  when Moki tries to pull him away.
• 1:14:21
  And that was all that was all improvised by by you in gay.
• 1:14:26
  And I think one time I said and I think Moki saying sorry,
• 1:14:29
  sorry. And then I think one time I said
• 1:14:31
  he didn't get his nap. I don't think that made it in,
• 1:14:36
  but I just love it. Yeah, I want a big Deborah
• 1:14:39
  dandruff. I can identify with that.
• 1:14:41
  I feel like when you, you know, you make a best friend at the
• 1:14:43
  playground, they're your best friend for life.
• 1:14:44
  And then your parent tries to pull you away and it's like.
• 1:14:49
  Yeah, you made a new best friends.
• 1:14:52
  Yeah, they really understand each other.
• 1:14:55
  It's that instant connection we were talking about.
• 1:14:57
  You, you had, yeah, you had that moment.
• 1:14:58
  We were like, are we best friends?
• 1:15:00
  I don't even know your name, but I think we're best friends blah
• 1:15:02
  blah. Oh, I also have to tell you that
• 1:15:07
  that Ingrid and I will will leave each other voice messages
• 1:15:11
  as Moki and Lanford. I have.
• 1:15:14
  I have Lanford singing me Happy birthday.
• 1:15:17
  Oh, at least that's nice. I was going to say like, is that
• 1:15:22
  is that odd that you get a voice message that you literally can't
• 1:15:24
  understand? But when it's happy birthday, I
• 1:15:26
  guess you could. I totally understand.
• 1:15:29
  Oh, excuse me, totally understand.
• 1:15:37
  Donna and Ingrid, as we wrap up, I would love to know from each
• 1:15:40
  of you, how do you plan to make the world a little fragglier?
• 1:15:46
  Angie, do you want to go first? I mean, I think in rewatching
• 1:15:52
  this episode too, it was like it reminded me how we all, it's not
• 1:15:58
  just this episode, in rewatching the whole season, it reminds me
• 1:16:02
  how we all think we're so different.
• 1:16:05
  Like the, the original vision of Fraggle Rock is all these
• 1:16:07
  different creatures who don't understand each other.
• 1:16:09
  They don't understand how they're interconnected and they
• 1:16:11
  are so deeply interconnected, the Fraggles and the Deuces and
• 1:16:14
  the Gorks and even the silly creatures.
• 1:16:16
  And I, I think that's, it's a really good reminder that we can
• 1:16:22
  get so self focused sometimes and focused in on, on these
• 1:16:27
  minutiae of things that really don't matter.
• 1:16:29
  And then the big scheme of things, we're all so similar and
• 1:16:33
  we really need each other and we need to take care of each other.
• 1:16:37
  And and that we're deeply and no matter how we, no matter how we
• 1:16:44
  want it, we're deeply connected and reliant on all of each other
• 1:16:49
  and, you know, all the natural world and everything.
• 1:16:53
  So just trying to remember that. That's what I'm going to do.
• 1:17:00
  Yeah. Beautiful, Donna.
• 1:17:05
  You know, I really love that we have a lot of themes in the show
• 1:17:09
  about mental Wellness. And, you know, shooting this
• 1:17:15
  show during a pandemic, really both seasons, you know, the
• 1:17:21
  world was kind of not OK. And we had to sort of soldier on
• 1:17:26
  when, you know, vaccines were being rolled out and who's going
• 1:17:30
  to get one? And she would get what she would
• 1:17:31
  not. And we still, we have to wear
• 1:17:33
  masks. We were wearing masks 11 hours a
• 1:17:35
  day that we only would drop when we had dialogue.
• 1:17:38
  And it was circumstances were tough and I maybe that's why we
• 1:17:43
  all got so close, but that's a little sidebar.
• 1:17:48
  But I, I think that's why I love this episode so much is to ask
• 1:17:52
  for help when you, when you need it, because people generally are
• 1:17:57
  really willing to help. And, and that's what it is for
• 1:18:03
  me. And, and it's, it's hard for us
• 1:18:05
  to as adults, I think, to ask for help.
• 1:18:07
  I'm, I'm still learning that myself, but but when someone
• 1:18:13
  drops their armor just to say, Hey, I need, I need help with
• 1:18:17
  this. I allowing others to, to be
• 1:18:22
  their best selves and actually help you.
• 1:18:25
  It helps everyone. And then together you can, you
• 1:18:30
  know, solve, solve the problem or just feel a little better.
• 1:18:35
  Yeah, yeah. Perfect.
• 1:18:37
  I love that. Well, Donna Kimball, Ingrid
• 1:18:40
  Hansen, thank you both so much for being here.
• 1:18:44
  Thank you for everything you brought to Fraggle Rock and for
• 1:18:47
  bringing Fraggle Rock back into our lives.
• 1:18:49
  So very important now more than ever.
• 1:18:53
  And yeah, and we hope that we'll be getting a season three and we
• 1:18:58
  can do a third season of this podcast as well and have you
• 1:19:01
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