Latest / UK Column Radio / UK Column News Podcast 31st July 2024
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- 0:08Speaker 1: Good afternoon.
- 0:09Speaker 2: It's Wednesday, the thirty one July twenty twenty four, just
- 0:11after Worldlock. Welcome to the UK column News. I mean
- 0:13it's Mike Robinson joining me by video link. Today we
- 0:16have Vanessa, Billy and Damascus and Charles Mallett. Charles, welcome
- 0:20to the program and we'll get kicked off with use
- 0:24of force by the police, but with Southport and the
- 0:27Manchester situation in mind.
- 0:32Speaker 3: Thanks Rich and good afternoon all. Yes, it's been a
- 0:34week full of turmoil and grief for police and a
- 0:39lot of communities around the country, and I think it's
- 0:42brought out a number of issues that people have either
- 0:46not perhaps understood fully or have been led towards a
- 0:50particular point of view, perhaps by influences from elsewhere. And
- 0:54I thought the first thing to look at would be
- 0:57the use of force. And this pertains particularly to the
- 0:59incident that was filmed at Manchester Airport just over a
- 1:03week ago, in which it was apparently put out that
- 1:08an authorized firearms officer had used what appeared to be
- 1:12a gratuitous force. There was then further context in that
- 1:16a bungled the rest attempt had effectively gone wrong and
- 1:22sort of a few frenzy of violence had had been
- 1:27dealt out by two suspects against police, culminating eventually in
- 1:32their arrest. But the point is that the definition here,
- 1:35or at least the application of force specified by the
- 1:38College of Policing states very clearly that it may only
- 1:41be used to the extent that it is necessary, proportionate,
- 1:45and reasonable in all the circumstances. And that being the case,
- 1:48I just want to examine very briefly the Manchester Airport situation,
- 1:53in particular the necessity, because of course we know now
- 1:58that the intent aim of police there was to detain
- 2:04the men that were there in front of them, therefore
- 2:06to affect an arrest by means of handcuffing. So We're
- 2:10just gonna look at a very short video and I'd
- 2:12like you to make up your own mind as to
- 2:13whether you think that this does fall within the category
- 2:15of being necessarily reasonable and proportionate. So, with apologies for
- 2:39some of the language used in that, it should have
- 2:41been fairly clear that, first of all, there wasn't any
- 2:44obvious or indeed, I don't believe hidden threat to the
- 2:48police officer there who used their paver spray, their pepper
- 2:51spray in order to well, in order to do what
- 2:56exactly I mean, I think this is the question. And
- 2:58then to go in and try to put the suspect
- 3:03or if that indeed is who he was, into a headlock,
- 3:06rather than trying to grab him by the arm in
- 3:09which would have, of course been the most obvious way
- 3:11to go about handcuffing. So I think questions around the
- 3:15use of force, and also to qualify the particular kick
- 3:20that was the one that sort of went viral in
- 3:23terms of the video footage, and to consider that at
- 3:27that point, regardless of what happened before, there was not
- 3:31a threat that merited the use of force. Not use
- 3:35of force, it was not going to help that police
- 3:39officer in affecting the arrest, and that is effectively what
- 3:41was seen, So I think people should be mindful of that.
- 3:45The next thing to consider is the presence of firearms
- 3:47officers in the first place, and we'll just have a
- 3:50quick look at some of the statistics of that come
- 3:53from the government produced earlier this month eleventh of July,
- 3:57and this is across the whole including Scotland, is nearly
- 4:02seven thousand authorized firearms officers in the UK ninety one
- 4:07percent of which are deployable, meaning that there are nine
- 4:09percent of them who are unfit to serve at the
- 4:13time of reporting. Through the course of the year, there
- 4:16were over eighteen thousand firearms deployments, which might sound like
- 4:20a lot. To explain exactly what that means in a second,
- 4:23there were two intentional discharges, so that means that of
- 4:26those seven thousand firearms officers, only two live rounds were
- 4:30actually fired ten in the previous year, and you would
- 4:33have worked it out that that means there are fewer
- 4:35than three deployments per authorized firearms officer per year. Now,
- 4:39the point of drawing those statistics out is that it
- 4:43means that situations like the one that unfolded at Manchester
- 4:47Airport often look like there is a requirement for firearms,
- 4:51and that's not the case. The firearms deployment is one
- 4:53in which there is deemed the necessity for an armed response,
- 4:58and yet because they are in effect enormously underemployed, because
- 5:02by per officer they're only actually demanded on average three
- 5:07times in an entire year, it means they get drawn
- 5:10into other incidents, which means that it immediately changes the
- 5:12dynamic because they're armed, so the point of highlighting this
- 5:16is just to make people sort of cognizant of the
- 5:19fact that it does alter the dynamics of the situation,
- 5:21and it does alter the optics in terms of how
- 5:24the public perceived the police, which is something that we're
- 5:26going to come back to in a minute. The next
- 5:28thing to look at, of course, bearing in mind what's
- 5:30happened first of all in Kent and in Surfport, is
- 5:33knife crime statistics, and I have some of those from
- 5:36the most recent publication from the House of Commons October
- 5:40last year. And the main thing to point out really
- 5:43is that these sorts of well this is the homicide statistics,
- 5:47but particularly that knife crime or indeed sharp objects account
- 5:52for the greatest proportion of homicide. So they're on average
- 5:57over two hundred homicides by stabbing every year, and we
- 6:00can see that thirty eight percent of them are made
- 6:03up by sharp objects. The urban areas, which course are
- 6:08the places we're all being pushed towards us there's a
- 6:10drive to move people out of the countryside, but there's
- 6:14much greater concentration per capita of stabbing offenses in urban areas,
- 6:18and the statistics on possession offenses so possession of a
- 6:22sharp or bladed object has now increased to over one
- 6:26year for twenty percent of those offenses. Now, the other
- 6:32thing that we should be mindful of is how people
- 6:36are initially perhaps receptive to the idea of implementing controls.
- 6:41But I want to make clear that this leads down
- 6:44a dangerous path. And I would cite the SVRA, the
- 6:47Serious Violence Reduction Orders, which were implemented well in effect
- 6:51last year, but from legislation that went out in twenty
- 6:54twenty two, and I wrote an article about this for
- 6:56the UK column last year, Search without Suspace, which I
- 7:00would recommend that you do have a look at because
- 7:02it does contextualize the really unfounded basis upon which people
- 7:07have orders placed upon them, which means that they can
- 7:10be searched without suspicion. And of course this opens the
- 7:13door for similar pieces of legislation or similar orders being
- 7:16imposed on people for all manner of reasons in order
- 7:20apparently to protect the public. So people have to be
- 7:23very careful what it is they actually wish for.
- 7:26Speaker 1: Now.
- 7:26Speaker 3: To come on to what's happened in Southport, which obviously
- 7:30has been completely and utterly tragic, distressing and an awful
- 7:35lot of other things for the families involved, the people
- 7:38that had anything to do with it, and indeed the community. However,
- 7:41the question is has the response to this been appropriate,
- 7:45has it been respectful? Has it actually helped those who
- 7:48are going through a grieving process? And I would just
- 7:52like to take a look at somebody that Brian was
- 7:54mentioning in the news on Monday. This is a post
- 7:57on telegram from Tommy Robinson News in which she describes
- 8:01the violent disorder there as being justified anger. He says
- 8:05after reports of a man wearing a balaclava in possession
- 8:07of a knife near a vigil in the town center,
- 8:10locals are venting their anger and frustration at the police
- 8:12in the aftermath three children being murdered by an unknown assailant.
- 8:15So these are the same people who are effectively cheering
- 8:18on the armed police officer for kicking dark skinned person
- 8:21in the head last week, are now saying that police
- 8:24should actually be attacked by those that are apparently in
- 8:27a state of grief. And we'll just have a quick
- 8:29look at a video to highlight exactly what it is
- 8:32that I mean in terms of the response in Southport
- 8:34last night.
- 9:38Speaker 2: Charles, I think it's just important to say that, of
- 9:39course those generally were not local people. In fact, the
- 9:42local community has been quite upset about what happened last night,
- 9:46and some of the comments I've seen this morning saying
- 9:49we're community and grief. We don't deserve to have the
- 9:52memory of the children besmirched? What have the police done?
- 9:55Why take it out on the police? And I saw
- 9:58posts on social media sort of calling for people to
- 10:01attend last night.
- 10:05Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, and I think this is absolutely the
- 10:07critical point. And the reason I led into that piece
- 10:10of video with the Telegram quote from the Tommy Robinson News,
- 10:14of course that being his stage name, he's really Stephen
- 10:16Yaxley Lennon, is to highlight the type of rhetoric that's
- 10:21being put out by people like that, and how in
- 10:23effect it will draw people in and it will provoke
- 10:26a response which I would say is absolutely objectively, completely
- 10:30inappropriate and counter productive. But also it distracts from the
- 10:34main issue, which is that at the heart of this,
- 10:38so is being said the issue. One of the issues,
- 10:41of course, is to do with migration and ethnicity within
- 10:45the United Kingdom. But of course what this actually does
- 10:48is to act as a complete distraction from dealing with
- 10:50the government itself and with any of the policies that
- 10:54might be concerning, you know, concerning this. And so the
- 10:58reason to focus on Yaxley Lenin is because he has
- 11:03very very strong influences that mean that his behavior and
- 11:07his effective incitement is put into context by articles like
- 11:12this from The Times of Israel, which very reasonably asked
- 11:16the question, why are US pro Israel groups boosting a
- 11:20far right, anti Muslim UK extremist And some of this
- 11:24goes back for a few years, but we have here
- 11:26the Middle East Forum, which said that he they supported
- 11:31him back in twenty eighteen by a means of funding
- 11:34and other activities. They describe themselves rather euphemistically as being
- 11:40focused on ways to defeat radical Islam, to work with sorry,
- 11:45to work for Palestinian acceptance of Israel, and to develop
- 11:50strategies to contain Iran. Now, obviously I think we know
- 11:55from Vanessa's reporting in particular what exactly that really does mean,
- 11:59but also pointing out their mission is to promote American
- 12:03interests in the Middle East, and yet this is exactly
- 12:06who actually Lenin is affiliated with. We've also got the
- 12:09Gatestone Institute, which has supported him again back in twenty eighteen.
- 12:15But the Gatestone Institute, of course, funded by Nina Rosenwald,
- 12:18who has used her millions here it says written by
- 12:21Max Blumenthalbert has used her millions to cement the alliance
- 12:25between the pro Israel lobby and the Islamophobic fringe. So
- 12:30the point of all this really is police. Of course,
- 12:33damned if they do, damned if they don't, caught in
- 12:35the middle of absolutely everything. But the wider point is
- 12:39the relationship that communities have with each other, whether or
- 12:43not they're being distracted by particular issues, and in effect,
- 12:45people are being programmed to respond to a certain thing
- 12:49in a certain way, which detracts from the real issue
- 12:53at hand. And I know that Mike's got more to
- 12:56introduce on this topic now, but the fundamental basis it
- 13:00is the relationship between the police and the public.
- 13:02Speaker 2: Well, I'm not going to do that, and I will
- 13:04do that an extra but so we'll move on for night.
- 13:07So thank you very much for that, Charles and Vanessa,
- 13:09let's bring you onto the program. And of course, in
- 13:11the meantime, over the last couple of days we've seen
- 13:14Israel expanding the conflict in the Middle East and well
- 13:19other countries beginning to be targeted in order to achieve
- 13:23Israel's objectives.
- 13:26Speaker 4: Yeah, well in the last twenty four hours actually, but yes,
- 13:30beginning with the direct confrontation with Yemen, which we talked
- 13:35about last week.
- 13:37Speaker 5: So this is a photograph of.
- 13:39Speaker 4: An area called Majdal Chant, which is actually a town
- 13:45or village that is divided between Surrian territory and illegally
- 13:50occupied Israeli territory, the occupied Goland territories which were illegally
- 13:58annexed in nineteen six seven and are recognized by the
- 14:02UNNGA as being illegally annexed. And there a couple of
- 14:06days ago there was an attack or there was an
- 14:10incident in a playground in Majdol al Shams which killed
- 14:15twelve children and youth members of the local Druze community.
- 14:20And basically what happened is, if we just have a
- 14:24quick look at the context inside that article, basically there
- 14:30were as I said, twelve children in the town and
- 14:33the occupied Syrian Golan heights on July the twenty seventh
- 14:38put Hesbella in Israel on the brink of a wider
- 14:40confrontation once again. After the attack, Israel announced that the
- 14:45explosion that killed the twelve children was caused by an
- 14:48Iranian made rocket fired by Hesblah. The Lebanese group denied
- 14:53vociferously the accusation and said the explosion was caused by
- 14:56an Israeli iron zone round that malfunction, and which is
- 15:00the far more likely incident, because you know there would
- 15:05be no point and has Blard targeting what is effectively
- 15:09a Syrian town occupied by the Israelis. And in fact,
- 15:15when various Israeli officials tried to attend the funerals in
- 15:23Majdal Shams, they were booed and told to leave in
- 15:28no uncertain terms. And this is just a short video
- 15:31of Netanyahu's reception when he tried to attend the funeral
- 15:37ceremony in Marjdal Shams. So not exactly a warm reception
- 16:25for the Israeli administration officials.
- 16:28Speaker 5: Interesting that.
- 16:31Speaker 4: The Biden administration is now claiming that the Golan Heights
- 16:34is part of Northern Israel. Now where does that come from?
- 16:38Twenty nineteen, so that was the Trump administration, which, if
- 16:42people remember, Trump recognized the occupied Golan territories as being
- 16:49Israeli and in fact Netagnan who promised to name an
- 16:55area of the territory after Trump, calling it Trump Heights,
- 17:00but then was led onto ministers within the Israeli regime,
- 17:07authorizing Netanyahu and Gallant to order retaliation for the deadly
- 17:12Goland strike, which of course was still being blamed on
- 17:15Hezblad despite there being no evidence to that effect. Netanyahu
- 17:20broke away from his meeting in the US to return
- 17:25to Israel, and then basically what happened. At nine pm
- 17:29last night, there was a blast or a targeting, an
- 17:33assassination in the southern area of Beirut, which of course
- 17:37was targeted a few months ago, killing a Hezbollah commander,
- 17:41sorry a Hamas commander in a similar area. But this
- 17:46blast was actually in a heavily populated residential area and
- 17:52directly behind one of the biggest hospitals in the area.
- 17:57So I just put together some of the video that
- 18:00was taken of the targeting.
- 18:19Speaker 6: Hey, y'all, I busy, busy had a lot of them, I.
- 18:26Speaker 7: Had as.
- 18:42Speaker 4: There were in fact eighty injuries, three deaths, one woman
- 18:47and two children. This was the scene later on that
- 18:51night of the completely destroyed building. Israel is claiming that
- 18:56the targeting was of basically number two commander in Hesbla
- 19:02for Shukra and their claiming that they eliminated him. However,
- 19:08there has been no official statement from Hesbella. It is
- 19:13believed that he was found alive in the rebel, badly
- 19:17injured and taken to hospitals. Everyone is still waiting for
- 19:21an official announcement for from Hesbular, and until that moment
- 19:26we can't acknowledge that he was assassinated. The children that
- 19:32were killed, Hassan and Amira fad Lala ten and six
- 19:37years old, and a young woman by Sila Bedun also
- 19:41killed in that attack, all three obviously civilians. The reaction
- 19:46immediately from particularly foreign officials. This is David Lami telling
- 19:52UK citizens to leave Lebanon immediately and not to travel
- 19:56to northern Israel. At almost the same time, I'm not
- 20:00sure of the exact time, but the US carried out
- 20:03a strike in Iraq against the kadip Has Bolara in
- 20:08the PMU based south of Baghdad, assassinating those that they
- 20:14claimed had been responsible for drone attacks on the illegal
- 20:19US occupation basis in Syria in particular, but also in Iraq.
- 20:25And then at about two am, the leader of Hamas
- 20:30Ismail Hanye was assassinated in Tehran by an Israeli air strike,
- 20:36which we believe came from outside Iran, So it came
- 20:39from a third country's territory that hasn't been revealed as
- 20:44to which country it was. Yet Hanye was basically in
- 20:49Tehran to attend the inauguration of President Pezzersyan. So effectively, Israel,
- 20:56while negotiating with Hamas, has just eliminate the chief negotiator.
- 21:03So now what has happened is Radi airspace is closed
- 21:06from Hadeat or Haifu line northward State run broadcasting Authority.
- 21:11Deputy head of Russian Foreign Ministry calls the killing of
- 21:14Hamas Politburo chief unacceptable political murder that will escalate regional tensions.
- 21:21In this first statement on Israel's strike in Beirut's southern suburbs,
- 21:25his belower confirms as I said that Shakrav was in
- 21:29the building hit by Israeli air strike, but his fate
- 21:32is still unknown. Iran has bowed revenge and retaliation for
- 21:37Hanye's assassination, inevitably because he was a guest in Iran
- 21:42when he was killed, and his bodyguard was killed with him.
- 21:48There are reports that the US is shifting its assaults
- 21:51ship to the Mediterranean to deter an escalation of the
- 21:56Israel Lebanon conflict. The Amphibis assault ship USS was entered
- 22:02the Eastern Mediterranean this week as the US position's warships
- 22:06to try to keep fighting between Israel and Hezbolla and
- 22:10Lebanon from escalating into a wider war. And allegedly those
- 22:14boats are there to evacuate civilians if necessary, but I'm
- 22:18sure people can imagine what else they may be there for.
- 22:22So I think we're facing really an inevitable expansion of
- 22:26the war.
- 22:28Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're there to escalate the war, not
- 22:30to prevent escalations. Yeah, but we can talk about that
- 22:33a little bit more later on as well.
- 22:35Speaker 1: Okay, well, if they're moving.
- 22:37Speaker 2: Ships in the Mediterranean for the Middle Eastern conflict, they're
- 22:40moving aircraft in the theater for the Ukrainian conflict.
- 22:43Speaker 1: So let's bring.
- 22:46Speaker 2: Sorry, if this works, there we go. So let's bring
- 22:50a little bit video on screen. And so for the
- 22:53first time, NIA was extremely happy.
- 22:55Speaker 1: So this is their words.
- 22:56Speaker 2: For the first time, US strategic bomber aircraft have been
- 22:59deployed to two US Air Force B fifty two eh
- 23:03Strata Fortress aircraft have arrived at a Remedian Air base.
- 23:07They'll be undertaking flying missions with NATO allies and partners
- 23:11to synchronize capabilities, tactics, and procedures. The B fifty twos
- 23:15have deployed from Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana in
- 23:19the United States. Apparently, the US routinely demonstrates his commitment
- 23:23to NATO allies and partners through Bomber Task Force missions
- 23:26providing assurance and contributing to the terrence, particularly along NATO's
- 23:31eastern flank.
- 23:32Speaker 1: So there you go.
- 23:33Speaker 2: That's more saber rattling right on the borders of Russia
- 23:38and so on, because we've got to keep the pressure on.
- 23:41But we have a little bit of video from well
- 23:46from the NATO representative here. He said, Lieutenant colonel can't
- 23:48remember his name off the top of the head. Let's
- 23:50have a listen to what he had to say.
- 23:53Speaker 8: The twentieth Expeditionary Bomb Squadron is out here at Mka
- 23:56Air Base supporting a Bomber Task Force deployment in the
- 23:59European theater. We're working with our NATO allies and partners
- 24:03to conduct training, improve interoperability and work on the fundamentals
- 24:07of securing the Black Sea region.
- 24:12Speaker 2: So very eloquently put, I couldn't have put it better himself,
- 24:14but I just wanted to have a look at him
- 24:17instill here. So here's a photograph of him, because of course,
- 24:21if we zoom in on here and look at the
- 24:24microphone that he's using, and the question is is this
- 24:27not a national security risk? Because this is Chinese tat
- 24:30right here. This is a Chinese wireless microphone system that's
- 24:34used commonly by videographers and so on. But I'm very
- 24:38surprised to see it being used by NATO troops in
- 24:42the field as it were, because we're told that we
- 24:44can't have Chinese infrastructure in are involved with US because
- 24:50that would be a national security risk. So I just
- 24:52wanted to ask that question in passing now in the meantime,
- 24:57Victor Orban, of course, who's the only European leader who's
- 24:59been at empty to sue for peace here is continuing
- 25:03to be heavily criticized, and yesterday and today one of
- 25:06the main hashtags that was trending on Twitter was out
- 25:11of EU and NATO. So let's just have a look
- 25:13at a couple of the tweets that have been doing
- 25:15the rounds here, when what we remove Hungary from EU
- 25:18and NATO seriously, either people of Hungary will wake up
- 25:21and seriously should leave those organizations. Here's another one with
- 25:26well urban being perhaps a little unfavorably represented. Take your
- 25:32place next to the fascist puddler and leave the EU
- 25:36and NATO you sellable skin is what somebody very pleasantly
- 25:41posted yesterday. And here's another one. The Hungarian government today
- 25:45blocks Ukraine's succession to the EU and NATO, blocks financially
- 25:48aid to Ukraine, accuses the USA and Poland of sabotage,
- 25:52invites the Chinese police to control the country, opens borders
- 25:55for citizens of the RF and Belarus that's Russian Federation
- 26:00is this country of EU and NATO. And so this
- 26:04is just three examples of some of the really vitriolic
- 26:09comments on Twitter over the last two days about this.
- 26:14So let's have a look at what Orband has been saying.
- 26:16But he's been particularly critical of Poland recently, and justifiably so.
- 26:21So he's saying here the polls pursuing the most sanctimonious
- 26:25and the most hypocritical policy in the whole of Europe.
- 26:28They're lecturing us morally, criticizing us for economic relations with Russia,
- 26:33and at the same time they're doing business with the
- 26:35Russians and buying oil indirectly and running the Polish economy
- 26:39with it. Well, the Polish didn't like that bit of
- 26:42truth very much. So here is to full part of Bardoshevsky. Sorry,
- 26:49I did have that done earlier on, but anyway, we
- 26:53do not do business in Russia, he said, unlike the
- 26:56Prime Minister or band who is on the margins of
- 26:58international society, both in the European Union and NATO. He said,
- 27:04if you don't want to be a member of the club,
- 27:06you can always leave.
- 27:06Speaker 1: I don't really.
- 27:07Speaker 2: Understand why Hungary wants to remain a member of organizations
- 27:10that doesn't like so much and which supposedly treats it
- 27:13so badly. Well, maybe they want to try to influence
- 27:15the organization to be a little bit more peaceful instead
- 27:19of continuing the saber rattling. In the meantime, in Polish radio,
- 27:23Hungarian PM's selfish actions lead to isolation, and so they're
- 27:29basically continuing this same narrative. And here is well, the
- 27:35other narrative that's going on at the same time that
- 27:38we should always mention, and that is the fact that
- 27:42Russia is being blamed for everything that's going on in
- 27:44Europe at the moment. So mobile phone and internet cables
- 27:47cut in several areas of France, said connection, and of
- 27:50course that was all that nasty Vladimir Putin that did
- 27:54it personally, and well, I'm sure we can talk about
- 27:57that later an extra as well. The narrative is ridiculous.
- 28:01But in the meantime, anybody that's attempting to take a
- 28:04peaceful path is absolutely being vilified for it, and well,
- 28:10calls for the country to be removed.
- 28:13Speaker 1: From the you and from NATO, and war, calls for war.
- 28:17Speaker 2: I don't know, Vanessa, if you've got any thoughts on
- 28:20that briefly, just before we move on.
- 28:24Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, you know, we just seem to
- 28:26be hurtling towards an expanded war scenario on all fronts,
- 28:32and nobody's capable of putting the brakes on it.
- 28:35Speaker 2: As how it appears, well, there's I think one or
- 28:39two are capable. I think everybody else has absolutely determined
- 28:42that they don't succeed, and that.
- 28:43Speaker 1: That is yeah, exactly, that is the danger. Okay, okay, okay,
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- 30:30to Natasha McCallum, who is under the Gutsy Women series
- 30:36and of course she was in the Frenethe House with
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- 30:44pm as usual in the usual places tomorrow. Freedom Music
- 30:49Festival twenty twenty four is taking place on the twenty third,
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- 31:14twenty twenty four, the tickets for this will go on
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- 31:32several more participants in the coming days. So tickets on
- 31:36seal this afternoon. Okay, where does that take us? Then
- 31:41we're just calling this legal manipulation, Charles.
- 31:48Speaker 3: We are And it follows a segment that I did
- 31:50last week which actually started on the subject of geoengineering,
- 31:53but it was really to plot the course between the
- 31:55idea that people hold views that are counted to the
- 31:58narrative or indeed dissenting views, and how they may become
- 32:02entangled in a web but laid by both legislation and
- 32:06the entirety of the criminal justice system. So really just
- 32:11go through a couple of examples now to have a
- 32:12look at how the system is in effect loaded against
- 32:16the dissenting voice, whether it be a sincere dissenting voice
- 32:19or not. And for the first example, we do, in
- 32:21fact go back to Tommy Robinson Stephen Yaxley Lenin because
- 32:26within the last week he has been arrested in a
- 32:29very well publicized sense for what we're called terror offenses,
- 32:33or at least under terrorism legislation. And I just wanted
- 32:36to clarify the situation because in actual fact this was
- 32:39under the Terrorism at two thousand, but specifically under Schedule seven,
- 32:44which bears looking at in closer detail because of what
- 32:47it actually enables.
- 32:48Speaker 4: Now.
- 32:49Speaker 3: Schedule seven provides police officers with unique powers to examine
- 32:53people who passed through the UK's borders. It allows them
- 32:56to stop, question, and when necessary, search and detain individuals
- 32:59and goods traveling through the UK's borders to determine whether
- 33:04they may be involved or concerned in the commission, preparation
- 33:08or instigation of acts of terrorism. So, as you can
- 33:11see from that first bit of text, it's quite wide open.
- 33:14It goes on to say the examination of an individual
- 33:16Underschedule seven is not conditional upon having grounds to suspect
- 33:21that a person, sorry to suspect that person of being
- 33:24engaged in terrorism, but the decision must not be arbitrary.
- 33:29There are a range of safeguards and measures in place
- 33:31to ensure appropriate use of the powers. So quite clearly
- 33:36it can be used as a fishing expedition because there
- 33:40doesn't need to be any evidential basis for detaining somebody
- 33:43under Schedule seven. And this is exactly what the Robinson
- 33:48situation brought out, because in actual fact he was arrested
- 33:52for breach of an injunction on a totally separate and
- 33:55unrelated matter, and yet this was the power invoked. And
- 33:58of course the message here is to be sending it
- 34:01across to people that anybody could in effect be ensnared
- 34:05by this. The next thing to look at is effectively
- 34:11a misrepresentation by him, whether intentionally or not, of his
- 34:16right to silence. He released a video after this in
- 34:19which he spoke about having been compelled by police to
- 34:24answer questions. Now that is not actually the case, and
- 34:27we look at the rights under the Terrorism Act two
- 34:30thousand that you have whilst detained, your right to remain silent.
- 34:34If you are asked questions about your suspected involvement in
- 34:36the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism, you
- 34:41do not have to say anything. However, it may harm
- 34:44your defense if you do not mention when question something
- 34:46which he later aly on in court. Anything you do
- 34:48so you do say may be given an evidence, which
- 34:51in effect is the standard caution, just with a little
- 34:54bit of additional text for the Schedule seven preparation and
- 35:02commission of acts of terrorism. So whilst clarifying that that
- 35:07there is still the right to silence, what he I
- 35:10think was actually referring to is the compulsion under the
- 35:14Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act two thousand was the compulsion
- 35:19under section forty nine of a notice to disclose, And
- 35:22in effect this means that if there's information the police
- 35:25say that they absolutely require, then you are compelled, effectively
- 35:30at pains of a criminal sanction, to give up that
- 35:34password or whatever it is to allow somebody to access
- 35:37the particular piece of information. So we'll just look at
- 35:42the Ripper Power Act of two thousand, but within it
- 35:47here the power to require disclosure. A disclosure requirement in
- 35:52respect of any protected information is necessary on grounds falling
- 35:56within this subsection, if it is necessary in the interest
- 35:59of national security, for the purpose of preventing or detecting crime,
- 36:03or in the interests of the economic wellbeing of the
- 36:06United Kingdom. So again it's perfectly easy to see that
- 36:09these criteria here are so wide open as to allow
- 36:15for what might be called a fishing expedition. And police
- 36:18in instances like this are supposed to be very particular
- 36:21as to what information they suspect may be there and
- 36:24therefore what they will actually look at. But of course
- 36:27this allows, by manipulation of the system, for police to
- 36:31not only look at something in the first place, perhaps
- 36:33under on spurious grounds, but then to find things which
- 36:37they weren't actually looking for, but can then act upon.
- 36:40So this is a manipulation of the process, and indeed
- 36:45people should be very mindful of this. The other thing
- 36:48that we should look at now is the new government's
- 36:52adherence to the old government's pursuit of what's being called
- 36:56Martin's Law, which relates back to the Manchester Arena attack
- 37:01or alleged attack. Perhaps I should say, to strengthen the
- 37:05security of public events and venues. Now that has a
- 37:09very familiar ring to it if you've cast your mind
- 37:11back to the vaccine passport legislation of late twenty twenty one.
- 37:16But nonetheless, we will update the rules around counter extremism,
- 37:21including online, to stop people being radicalized and drawn towards
- 37:25hateful ideologies. Labor will also ensure the police and intelligence
- 37:28services have the powers and resources they need to protect
- 37:31the British people from terrorism and hostile espionage. Now there's
- 37:35no greater detail given on that. One does wonder what
- 37:38exactly is meant by powers and resources needed. But having
- 37:42mentioned Manchester, it is also worth pointing to the case
- 37:46of Richard D. Hall, which has re emerged effectively last week,
- 37:52so he's been back in court again. I've got on
- 37:54screen now the trial going back to February of this
- 37:58year in front of Master Davison, and there's been a
- 38:03lot of talk about this with regard to freedom of expression.
- 38:06But I should just remind people that in actual fact,
- 38:09the specifics of this case, which is a civil case,
- 38:12are set out quite clearly here, which was on the
- 38:14seventeenth of April twenty twenty three, the claimant's commence proceedings
- 38:17against the defendant for harassment, misuse of private information and
- 38:21data protection breaches. Essentially, the claimants complain that in his book,
- 38:26in videos published on his website and on YouTube, and
- 38:28in public lectures, the defendant has accused them of lies
- 38:31and deception and has misused personal data, including their names, images,
- 38:37and medical information. Now, the reason to make this clear
- 38:41in the eyes of the court is, as I say,
- 38:44to demonstrate how set up the system is set up
- 38:48in order that Richard Hall's case in this, as I say,
- 38:51in the civil court, hangs on the balance of probability.
- 38:55And so again, this is from the same document, from
- 38:57what the judges effectively summarized, and this was Hall's effort
- 39:01to put forward what he regarded as evidence of something
- 39:05having not happened. But the judgment was that the important
- 39:09and governing principle is whether there are reasonable grounds for
- 39:12believing that further evidence or investigation would affect the outcome
- 39:15of the case, and he says there are no such
- 39:18reasonable grounds. He goes on to say, further evidence in
- 39:22investigation will increase the volume of material that a trial
- 39:24judge would have to consider and time required to do so,
- 39:28but it is clear that the material will not affect
- 39:31the outcome. So the reason for pointing that out is
- 39:35to say that because the threshold within a civil court
- 39:40is on the balance of probability, the judge was in
- 39:42effect able to say that Hall's evidence was inadmissible. It
- 39:46was pointless to look at it because on the balance
- 39:49of probability, the narrative version of events in that an
- 39:52explosion did occur and people were wounded in the way
- 39:55that they described themselves as being wounded is on the
- 39:58balance of probability. So to clear that obstacle, with that
- 40:04being the case, is an absolutely monumental task, which explains
- 40:09the predicament to a certain extent of Richard Hall. Now
- 40:12what I also want to go on and deal with
- 40:14because since we're talking about terror, and we introduced the
- 40:17idea last week of government in fact being the genesis
- 40:21of the word or the description of terrorism, in that
- 40:25it was acts by government. We've seen this many times before.
- 40:28We go back to twenty third of March twenty twenty
- 40:30where the Behavioral Insights Team offered advice to SAGE and
- 40:35we see here the perceived threat with regard to COVID.
- 40:37A substantial number of people still do not feel personally threatened.
- 40:42The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased
- 40:45among those who are complacent using hard hitting emotional messaging.
- 40:50And I'd like to set that within the context of
- 40:52the Terrorism at two thousand and in particular the definition
- 40:55of terrorism, which specifically says that and means the use
- 41:01or threat of action where the use or threat is
- 41:04designed to intimidate the public or a section of the public,
- 41:08and the use of the threat is made for the
- 41:10purpose of advancing a political, religious, or ideological cause. So,
- 41:16rather than get caught up in exactly what the government
- 41:19is suggesting maybe qualified as a terrorist attack or terrorist activity,
- 41:27should really be looking at the government itself and the
- 41:29way in which it's dealing with its citizens.
- 41:33Speaker 2: Charles, thank you very much for that. And sticking on
- 41:36a related topic, which of course, of censorship. I want
- 41:39to bring this on screen because we've been talking about
- 41:43AI quite a lot over the last number of months,
- 41:46and a number of mainstream news outlets have been highlighting
- 41:51the problems with AI, and so this is the BBC
- 41:54with their headline why Google AI problem won't be an
- 41:58easy fix. They're talking about the fact that these large
- 42:01language models are hovering up all kinds of data from
- 42:03the Internet, and of course most of that data is biased.
- 42:07We've got another article here from Rolling Stone. The right
- 42:10is absolutely terrified of woke AI, and so I thought
- 42:15this was quite ironic because the right is absolutely terrified
- 42:18of what's being described as woke AI. So it's perhaps
- 42:22ironic that Fox News has published this article mastering the
- 42:26art of Britain Washing. China intensifies AI censorship. China sees
- 42:31AI as a means by which to change people's minds.
- 42:34Leading experts says, I'm going to suggest another scenario. It's
- 42:38not just the right that is worried about woke AI
- 42:41and certain ideologies being promoted through AI. It's also the left,
- 42:46and China represents that left perhaps, and so maybe China
- 42:51is more worried about the fact that unrestricted AI is
- 42:57going to be bringing ideologies from outside in the China
- 43:01that may not be the best for Chinese society, never
- 43:04mind the Chinese government itself.
- 43:06Speaker 1: We can talk a.
- 43:07Speaker 2: Little bit more about that later as well. But sticking
- 43:11with censorship, then GB News was publishing this yesterday, end
- 43:14of free speech in Wheels. GB News permanently banned in
- 43:17Senate after major censorship. And this is about the internal
- 43:22television networks, So inside the Senate building and the various
- 43:25offices and so on their televisions there and they receive
- 43:28television signals, and the Senate has decided that GB news
- 43:32is broadcasts will no longer welcome on the internal television network.
- 43:36And so they've kicked it off. They did this last November, actually,
- 43:39but they've decided to make this a permanent thing. So
- 43:42this was a petition which apparently didn't seem to get
- 43:45any traction, but nonetheless stop the ban on GB News
- 43:49in the Senate from last November.
- 43:51Speaker 1: And this is what the.
- 43:54Speaker 2: Presiding officer said, Allen Jones, please understand and respect my
- 43:58attempt to protect women and men working in the Senate
- 44:00from having the witness in this case. She was talking
- 44:03about Lawrence Fox's offensive and misogynistic comments on our internal
- 44:07Senate system. So I leave it to you to decide
- 44:11whether this is appropriate. I would have some very serious
- 44:14questions about this, but just sticking with censorship. Then here's
- 44:19The Hill, which is a US publications. Everybody knows, but
- 44:24their headline here is the most chilling words today. I'm
- 44:26from NewsGuard and I'm here to rate you. And so
- 44:31this is Jonathan Turley. This is not bad and he's
- 44:35talking about NewsGuard and their efforts to decide who is
- 44:39legitimate speech and who isn't.
- 44:42Speaker 1: And so if we just.
- 44:43Speaker 2: Put that back for a second, let's look at a NewsGuard.
- 44:46They say that they're transparent, accountable trust ratings for thousands
- 44:49of news outlets. We've talked about them before because of
- 44:52course we at the UK column have also received this
- 44:55particular call from them. So this is our trust rating
- 44:59from news Guard. We get twenty seven point five out
- 45:01of one hundred. Proceed with maximum caution. This website is
- 45:05unreliable because it's severely violate its basic journalistic standards. Well,
- 45:10quite honestly, perhaps we need to be violating a few
- 45:14more journalistic standards.
- 45:15Speaker 1: But let's have a look and see. Apparently we do not.
- 45:18Speaker 2: Repeatedly publish false or egregiously misleading content, so we got
- 45:22twenty two points for that. We do gather and present
- 45:25information responsibly.
- 45:26Speaker 1: Oh No'm sorry, we don't.
- 45:27Speaker 2: That's right because there's access beside that, aren't there. So
- 45:30I'm completely completely wrong. They're regularly correct or clarify errors,
- 45:35and we don't do that except I just did do that,
- 45:37didn't it.
- 45:38Speaker 1: So they've got that wrong too.
- 45:39Speaker 2: But anyway handles the difference between news and opinion responsibly
- 45:43avoids deceptive headlines. Well, apparently we do avoid deceptive headlights,
- 45:47so that's one thing. The website discloses ownership and financing.
- 45:50We don't do enough of that clearly labels advertising where
- 45:54we don't have any advertising, so that's fine, and so on.
- 45:56Speaker 1: So you can see there.
- 45:57Speaker 2: But I'm just going to end by saying, you know,
- 45:59if if you want to understand everything we just talked about,
- 46:04have a look at the center page on the UK
- 46:06column website. We have one of our timelines on there
- 46:09that shows the building of this infrastructure. If you haven't
- 46:13seen this yet, please have a look at it and
- 46:15most importantly share it.
- 46:18Speaker 4: Now.
- 46:18Speaker 2: Vanessa, let's bring you back on screen here and back
- 46:21to international affairs and Israel.
- 46:25Speaker 4: Yes, another example of the absolute moral depravity of the
- 46:30Zionist regime entity and the forces.
- 46:35Speaker 5: So people may have seen that there have been riots.
- 46:40Speaker 4: In fact, there's potentially been the start of a civil
- 46:42war in Israel itself, not quite for the reasons that
- 46:46people might expect. So Israeli soldiers this was in Haretz
- 46:51suspected of raping Palestinian prisoner arrested sparking for right riot
- 46:58minister among Israelis that were rioting, not in favor of
- 47:03stopping this appalling basically anal rape of detainees with blunt objects,
- 47:13but in favor of defending the military the nine Israeli
- 47:17soldiers in Thetayment detention center.
- 47:23Speaker 5: Claiming that they were raping.
- 47:25Speaker 4: A Palestinian detainee in self defense because they felt threatened
- 47:29by that detainee. Israeli military police raided state Tamen, but
- 47:35were met with resistance by soldiers who reportedly barricaded themselves
- 47:40into the facility and used pepper spray to defend themselves
- 47:44before eventually being taken into custody. They were suspected of
- 47:49abusing a Palestinian detainee who, according to Arab forty eight,
- 47:53is suffering from a serious wound in his rectum area.
- 47:57This is not an isolated incident of according to multiple
- 48:02testimonies from former detainees and so then this was put
- 48:07out by Afshan Ratansio going underground Israel as to sending
- 48:12into civil war on the right of Israeli soldiers to
- 48:16rape Palestinians. The moderate wing rape is wrong and commit
- 48:21genocide by bombing, shooting, and ethnically tlensing them instead the
- 48:26extreme wing, which is the majority of the current administration
- 48:30and actually the majority of Israelis. According to many analysts,
- 48:35Israeli soldiers should be allowed to rape Palestinians. Another headline
- 48:41in Israeli media bordering on anarchy, IDF chief stands alarm
- 48:46after right wing mob overruns a second base, also apparently
- 48:52accused of carrying out the same appalling torture.
- 48:56Speaker 5: And then I just wanted to show this.
- 48:58Speaker 4: This is a video of two Canessa members arguing with
- 49:02each other in the Canasse over whether rector rape should
- 49:08be allowed or not.
- 49:09Speaker 9: Let's just roll this.
- 49:12Speaker 7: Am sham can reb lally it's not yes, actually ult
- 49:26it's a scoto n my ship when quality las suit
- 49:32Comoni and Nikam, then Semipo Vanilola rat actual Sipplagar Okay.
- 49:47Speaker 4: Then in.
- 49:49Speaker 7: Kality Tobasu Comoni and gil direction.
- 49:56Speaker 9: Look, damn, I'm not quite sure how I follow up
- 50:16after that.
- 50:17Speaker 4: But then let's have a look at US State Department
- 50:22spokesperson Vedant Patel try to argue or justify the same crime.
- 50:31Speaker 6: Israeli please detained soldiers yesterday by the day fore yesterday's
- 50:35a speculative of raping the Palestinian sparking Protestant so on. Apparently,
- 50:40you know, rape and killing and torture and all this
- 50:43thing that happens regularly and is radio detention. Can that
- 50:47that constituted all crime to you?
- 50:49Speaker 10: So the reports of abuse are deeply concerning, and we've
- 50:53been clear and consistent with Israel and the id F
- 50:55that they need to treat all detainees humanely and with dignity,
- 51:00in accordance with humanitarian law. We also, I spoke a
- 51:03little bit about this earlier in the week side. We
- 51:05reiterate the support that an IDF, that the IDEF is
- 51:09investigating some of these allegations of serious abuse of Palestinian detainees,
- 51:14and that is the news that we welcome, and we're
- 51:17going to let that process, and we believe in due process,
- 51:19and we're going to let that process plan.
- 51:21Speaker 6: Two quick points. Now, it's proven to be true that
- 51:25that's constitute a walk point.
- 51:27Speaker 10: I'm not a legal expert site it certainly I imagine
- 51:30it would be inconsistent with Israeli law, and so of
- 51:35course that is why we are we have been clear
- 51:39that the treatment of any detainee needs to be consistent
- 51:43with international humanitarian law.
- 51:49Speaker 4: Also quite extraordinary. But I suppose they have Untanamo to
- 51:54fall back on. But now let's finally just have a
- 51:58little clip.
- 51:59Speaker 9: Of Robert F.
- 52:00Speaker 4: Kennedy Junior arguing the morality of the Zionist armed forces.
- 52:08Speaker 11: So they've achieved it better. They protected in the hostchology
- 52:12conditions the Israeli got man had the idea has protected
- 52:17civilians better than any any army in history. John Spencer said,
- 52:22it is the It has done more to protect civilians
- 52:27under more difficult circumstances than any army in history.
- 52:35Speaker 4: I mean, I have actually written extensively at my substick
- 52:39about Israel's culture of rape and child abuse, and that
- 52:43includes offering refuge to multiple accused and prosecuted pedophiles, particularly
- 52:51from the United States, that are given access to Israel
- 52:55without any issue whatsoever the rate of their own refugee,
- 53:00particularly settlers from the North that have come into temporary
- 53:04accommodation in the south.
- 53:06Speaker 5: Of the occupied territories.
- 53:08Speaker 4: It is a systemic issue within the Israeli armed forces,
- 53:15both rape and sexual harassment and rape of boys, girls
- 53:20and adults within the detention system there in the occupied
- 53:25territory is quite extraordinary what we're watching at the moment.
- 53:29Speaker 2: Absolutely and absolutely extraordinary that there's even an argument about it.
- 53:33But anyway, Charles, let's move on then back to the
- 53:38UK and the Ministry of Defense, and they apparently want
- 53:41to build some tunnels.
- 53:44Speaker 3: They do, it's not entirely clear where, and it does
- 53:46seem like a bizarre story. I spoke last year about HMGCC,
- 53:49His Majesty's Government Communications Center, which effectively sort of came
- 53:53out of the shadows. But they make gadgets largely concerned
- 53:55with espionage that are for the use of other government departments,
- 53:59or so they said. They launched last year, or at
- 54:01least in the public eye, with a co creation project
- 54:04to create a device which could read an electronic sim
- 54:08which they said was to keep their employees safe and secure.
- 54:11But it did happen to coincide with the widespread roy
- 54:14LIFs or of electronic sims across across the digital spectrum.
- 54:18And of course this looks just like an IMSI grabber,
- 54:21which sort of has questionable uses in terms of legitimacy,
- 54:25but noneless. Yes, they're talking about tunnels and they've launched
- 54:28another co creation project here seen on the Catapult website,
- 54:32which is in conjunction with DSTL Defense Science and Technology Laboratory,
- 54:37and specifically what they say about this is that the
- 54:39challenge is to demonstrate ways of producing subterranean pathways preferably
- 54:44greater than two feet diameter with minimal chants of being detected.
- 54:47And will come back to that bit. They'd say that
- 54:50underground tunneling presents an array of opportunities and challenges, so
- 54:53the MD would like to know how technologies and capabilities
- 54:55could be better harnessed for future operations. What exactly do
- 54:59they mean by that? In particular, there is an interest
- 55:02in how to better access hostile and constrained subterranean environments.
- 55:07Now that's no coincidence that they are referring back to
- 55:11a document here called Future Cities, which conveniently enough came
- 55:15out in February twenty twenty, just before everything changed, and
- 55:20they have a piece on underground cities in which they
- 55:22say future cities are like to make likely to make
- 55:25increased use of underused and underground spaces. So I referred
- 55:30earlier to being pushed out of the countryside, it appears
- 55:33that there might be a push underground the subterranean environment
- 55:36can also host tunnels which can be used to transport
- 55:39material goods and people without being observed by surveillance systems
- 55:43or passing through choke points on the surface. And in
- 55:47terms of the infrastructure, they talk about accommodating growing population
- 55:52densities and that these cities will see a sharp increase
- 55:56in the amount of occupied vertical buildings. And they've finish
- 56:00the slightly strange sentence verticality will all to hierarchies and
- 56:04territorial boundaries. I must admit to being not completely certain
- 56:09what they mean by that, but they go on to
- 56:12say that the desire to mistigate pollution and congestion will
- 56:16lead to increasingly controlled traffic management. So we go back
- 56:20to the idea that fifteen minute cities are at least
- 56:23we're told by the government not to stop people from
- 56:26doing certain things. And yet here we are in the
- 56:27Future Cities documents they continue with and in many cities
- 56:31cycling and walking will be encouraged by physically constraining vehicular movements.
- 56:36Autonomous forms of transport will become more common, becoming part
- 56:39of the smart city infrastructure. Likewise, many other routine functions
- 56:43of cities will become automated. Now we get to the
- 56:46key bit here with regard to DsCl and HMGCC, which
- 56:49is the military aspect, and they're anticipating that the future
- 56:52operating environment will increasingly become urbanized and Africa and Asia
- 56:57are developing most rapidly in thatartment, so that's where the
- 57:01focus will be. They suggest the database of urban areas
- 57:03for potential military operations. The UK military has to be
- 57:07optimized for urban areas. Presumably tunneling will be part of that,
- 57:11and using tunnels smart city represent sorry presents risks and opportunities,
- 57:17but again they're not specific exactly as to what they.
- 57:19Speaker 5: Mean by that.
- 57:20Speaker 3: And then again thinking about the new government and their
- 57:22energy policy, we talk about the altered definition of critical infrastructure,
- 57:26and of course it was Ed Miliband who recently declared
- 57:29that solar would be regarded as critical infrastructure. I should
- 57:32also point out that within this document tunnels in Syria,
- 57:36Lebanon and Gaza are all cited, as are tunnels in
- 57:41China and Mexico, so they do appear to be sort
- 57:45of telegraphing the future intent. And then also just going
- 57:49back a little bit further to last year, we've got
- 57:51the Defense and Security Accelerator. We're going deeper underground and
- 57:56this one is sort of the other side of it
- 57:58is to do with detecting movement in tunnel. So it
- 58:00does look very much like they do want to have
- 58:02a military, if not other capability within tunnels. And just
- 58:06to confirm that this has been sort of going ahead
- 58:08here we've got seven brigades, seven on Brigade the Desert
- 58:11rat going tunneling back in July twenty twenty two. So
- 58:15quite what's going to happen next, I'm not quite sure
- 58:17that I will report as and when there's any further information.
- 58:20Speaker 1: Brilliant, Thank you, Charles.
- 58:21Speaker 2: Okay, and well, the last thing we'll just mention here
- 58:25is CBDC because the Bank of England has been publishing
- 58:29more information. So here is their new report, Innovation on Money.
- 58:34I'm not going to read all this, but basically they're
- 58:36talking about financial stability. They're talking about preserving central bank money,
- 58:41the role of central backed money, including a wholesale central
- 58:44bank digital currency, and that they are also looking at
- 58:48setting out objectives in retail payments as well. So this
- 58:51is retail central bank digital currency. It just remind everybody
- 58:55of the response of the Government to the House of
- 58:59Commons Treasury Committee's report on this in January this year,
- 59:03where they had said that they had they were actually
- 59:07referencing the House of Lords reports saying there was no
- 59:10clear and convincing case for a UK to need a
- 59:13retail CBDC and they were highlighting the privacy issues and
- 59:17they had said to address privacy concerns. Today's publication confirms
- 59:23that if a digital pound were to be implemented, primary
- 59:25legislation would be introduced and this would guarantee users privacy
- 59:28and control. And if you believe that that isn't a lie,
- 59:31then maybe you shouldn't be watching this program. But anyway,
- 59:34that is the previous government's comment. The previous government's comment
- 59:39goes on to say that a digital punt would complement
- 59:42the role of cash and that ten pounds of a
- 59:45digital punt will always be worth the same as ten
- 59:48pounds in banknotes and nothing in other words, and it
- 59:50would be issued by the Bank of England, and it
- 59:53would be easily exchangeable with other forms of money, and
- 59:56it would be accessed through digital wallets, and it would
- 59:59be intended for payments made online in store in between
- 1:00:02individuals and there would be restrictions at least initially on
- 1:00:06how much an individual or business could hold, and like banknotes,
- 1:00:10it would be a claim on the Bank of England
- 1:00:12and have intrinsic value. Another lie perhaps, so anyway, that
- 1:00:17was the previous government saying that. But as we all
- 1:00:19know from Clear Starmer's change agenda, nothing will change and
- 1:00:24this will be the policy of this government as well.
- 1:00:28The Bank of England publishing their latest moves on CBDC
- 1:00:32and we watch it with interest. I just wanted to
- 1:00:35We mentioned in the ad break that we were playing
- 1:00:38with YouTube a little bit and they had taken down
- 1:00:42the John Bodwin video already. I just wanted to highlight
- 1:00:47this because it did make me laugh yesterday because when
- 1:00:50I got the opportunity to appeal the decision, which of
- 1:00:53course there's no opportunity at all, But anyway, when I
- 1:00:55got the opportunity to appeal the decision, the question that
- 1:00:58I was asked was what want to do? And one
- 1:01:01option was to appeal the decision. The other option was
- 1:01:04to take policy training. So they were offering me training
- 1:01:07and how to identify whether my video clips constituted medical
- 1:01:11misinformation or not for the future and well, naturally I
- 1:01:15didn't press up button unfortunately. I think that for the
- 1:01:18sake of a laugh and also for reporting what actually happens.
- 1:01:22If I choose the training, the next time the video
- 1:01:24comes down, I will do that and I'll report back
- 1:01:26to you to let you know what it is that
- 1:01:28YouTube wants to shove into my brain whenever they next
- 1:01:32time they take the video.
- 1:01:34Speaker 1: A video done, So what's the space and we'll let
- 1:01:36you know about that.
- 1:01:37Speaker 2: We will be back in a few minutes for some
- 1:01:40extra Thanks very much to everybody for joining us, and
- 1:01:43for Vanessa and Charles for being with us.
- 1:01:45Speaker 1: Don't forget Katie.
- 1:01:46Speaker 2: Joe'll be on with us in a couple of minutes,
- 1:01:47so join us then if you're a UK column member.
- 1:01:50If you're not, please join us. But we'll see it
- 1:01:52next time.
- 1:01:53Speaker 1: Bye bye, Fie.