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"This Gay Week: Progress and Panic, All in 7 Days" · The Karel Show

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  Speaker 1: Showtime is here.
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  Speaker 2: is here. So on with the show.
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  Speaker 3: Let's give it a go.
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  Speaker 2: Corelle is the one that you need to know. Now
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  Speaker 2: it's Showtime.
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  Speaker 4: What in this good gay world is going on? Well,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to find out as Scott Jacobson from The
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  Speaker 4: Good Man Project joins us from Ukraine. We'll also talk
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  Speaker 4: a little Ukraine info on this gay week with Carell
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  Speaker 4: and Scott Jacobson. So don't go anywhere. It is The
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  Speaker 4: Carell Show. I am Carell. So very glad you are
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  Speaker 4: joining me. I just realized I'm wearing the same color
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  Speaker 4: shirt as I wore yesterday. I must really like this color. Anyway,
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  Speaker 4: so glad you are joining me today on this, what
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  Speaker 4: is it, Thursday, September 24th. Good googly moogly. This month
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  Speaker 4: is almost gone. We're going to be talking with Scott
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  Speaker 4: Jacobson live in Kiev, Ukraine at an undisclosed location. I
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  Speaker 4: used to say that about Art Bell. And from a
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  Speaker 4: bunker in an undisclosed location. Of course, he was hiding
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  Speaker 4: from aliens. You're just hiding from Russia. Well, same difference,
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  Speaker 4: I guess. But there is a lot going on in
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  Speaker 4: this gay world of ours and in Ukraine. So we're
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  Speaker 4: going to catch up on both. Hola, Scott. That's you.
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  Speaker 4: That's your cue. Are you frozen? Did we lose you? Well,
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  Speaker 4: it's a great image to lose you on. Oh, we
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  Speaker 4: lost him. All right. Let's hope we can get him back.
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  Speaker 4: Let's see. Let's try Adam again. Oh, now there's three
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  Speaker 4: of you. I'm seeing double. I don't know what to
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  Speaker 4: do here, Scott. Hold on just a second, listeners and everybody,
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  Speaker 4: because there is two. There, I'll disconnect that one. There
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  Speaker 4: you go. Now the new one, but that means over
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  Speaker 4: here I got to do all kinds of new stuff
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  Speaker 4: as well. I would vamp with you all, but I'm
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  Speaker 4: too busy working. Scott's got me working today. Got me
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  Speaker 4: working overtime. But here he is. He is here. There
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  Speaker 4: he is.
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  Speaker 5: See?
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  Speaker 4: There he is. Say hi to everybody. You can't wave
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  Speaker 4: in radio, FYI, just so you know. It's an audio thing,
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  Speaker 4: and we do have audio as well. Well, hello from Keith.
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  Speaker 4: We're not. So, yeah, let's remove that layer. And let's
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  Speaker 4: assign your placeholder to you there. There!
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  Speaker 1: See?
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  Speaker 4: For once, I'm a top. Okay, there we go. Not
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  Speaker 4: that I'm habitually a bottom. By the way, Scott, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to tell you everything that I, what I've told
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  Speaker 4: my listeners yesterday and today. I am dog sitting for
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  Speaker 4: my friend Steve. There is construction at his house. and
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  Speaker 4: I got Tino with me, so at any moment we
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  Speaker 4: could be interrupted by an adorable little dog, in which case,
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  Speaker 4: oh well. All right, so we got a couple minutes
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  Speaker 4: left in this segment. We got all the technical stuff
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  Speaker 4: worked out. First of all, the United Nations having a
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  Speaker 4: big hoopla. Zelensky is over here in New York trying
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  Speaker 4: to gather support for the war. Also, Netanyahu went in
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  Speaker 4: to make a speech, and half the room left. And
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  Speaker 4: Trump announced that he might annihilate Iran, which I don't
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  Speaker 4: pay much attention to. But then again, you never know
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  Speaker 4: what that asshole is going to do. So we have
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  Speaker 4: heard that there is, I don't want to say hope,
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  Speaker 4: but we have heard in our media that there are
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  Speaker 4: now serious talks going on for at least a ceasefire,
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  Speaker 4: if not an end to the war in Ukraine. If
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  Speaker 4: they can't agree to just end it, there is talk
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  Speaker 4: of a ceasefire. But we have heard the sticking point
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  Speaker 4: is Vladimir Putin. He wants a lot of concessions before
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  Speaker 4: the ceasefire. And Zelensky just wants to stop on both
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  Speaker 4: sides right now where everything's at. Just stop firing and
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  Speaker 4: let's try to figure it out. Is that pretty much
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  Speaker 4: what you're hearing, too, that it's really up to whether
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  Speaker 4: Putin is going to put a lot of restrictions or not?
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  Speaker 6: The key thing right now with winter upon us has
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  Speaker 6: to do primarily with ceasefire on, well, ceasefire on targeting
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  Speaker 6: energy infrastructure broadly. If they target that here in the winter,
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  Speaker 6: it gets really bad. When I was here in January,
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  Speaker 6: it got down to minus 20. Indoor heating, maybe about
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  Speaker 6: 12 hours a day when I was in Lviv, probably
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  Speaker 6: less than Kiev. And it was on intermittently. When I
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  Speaker 6: was staying there, about three or four hours at a clip,
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  Speaker 6: and then mostly off during the night. So you kind
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  Speaker 6: of had to learn to bring a power bank, charge
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  Speaker 6: it when the power was on.
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  Speaker 4: Should I make a joke of it adds a new
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  Speaker 4: dimension to the term Cold War, but I'm bump?
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  Speaker 6: It was a very Russian thing. Yeah. No, black humor
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  Speaker 6: is very much a big thing here. But yes.
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  Speaker 4: That wasn't black humor. I didn't say, honey, put an
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  Speaker 4: end to the Cold War now. Oh, sorry. Don't let
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  Speaker 4: my stereotype show. All right, we will get to the
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  Speaker 4: real show, the real crux of the matter. We will
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  Speaker 4: get to the real show when we come back in
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  Speaker 4: just a second. Don't go anywhere. This is Scott Jacobson,
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  Speaker 4: and see you.
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  Speaker 2: You have to be proud with hatred.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, everyone.
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  Speaker 1: It's Carell.
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  Speaker 4: Stream You Have to Be Proud wherever you get your
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  Speaker 4: music and let it fill you with the pride it
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  Speaker 4: filled me in doing it. You have to be strong.
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  Speaker 4: Showtime is here.
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  Speaker 5: No time to fear.
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  Speaker 2: Carell is so near because Showtime is here.
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  Speaker 1: So on with the show. Let's give it a go.
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  Speaker 2: Carell is the one that you need to know.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 4: We are back for this gay week on this Thursday,
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  Speaker 4: September 24th with Scott Jacobson from the Good Man Project
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  Speaker 4: over in Kiev, Ukraine. I'm sorry. I'm laughing. The dog
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  Speaker 4: I'm babysitting second day in a row. Amber gets under
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  Speaker 4: the chair sometimes when I do the show here in
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  Speaker 4: the studio. And she's under there now to hide from him,
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  Speaker 4: but he is determined to get himself under there to
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  Speaker 4: annoy her. And so we have a battle of the
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  Speaker 4: pooches going on here. So, Scott.
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  Speaker 6: I love animals generally.
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  Speaker 4: I love them all. I do. So let me ask
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  Speaker 4: you this. You know, I made a joke about the
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  Speaker 4: Cold War. But it is a very real strategy to
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  Speaker 4: try to freeze, literally freeze the Ukrainians out and thus
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  Speaker 4: weaken their defenses and thus make more gains, incur into
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  Speaker 4: more territory and win more by attacking civilian infrastructure that
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  Speaker 4: has to do with energy, correct? I mean- But we.
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  Speaker 1: Have to be careful here.
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  Speaker 6: We have to be really, really careful. So when you
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  Speaker 6: speak of, for instance, breaking of people, you're talking about morale.
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  Speaker 6: That's in a standard parlance used in the context of troops.
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  Speaker 6: You try to break the morale of the troops so
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  Speaker 6: you can then get concessions and surrender. When you are
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  Speaker 6: targeting civilian energy infrastructure and you're trying to use the
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  Speaker 6: language of breaking morale... you're basically just terrorizing a public.
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  Speaker 6: This not really has to do anything with combat necessarily.
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  Speaker 6: So you could probably consider that more akin to Kremlin-based
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  Speaker 6: state terrorism. On the other hand, in terms of the
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  Speaker 6: resilience of people, people have been showing themselves to be
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  Speaker 6: highly resilient here with regards to loss of family. I met.
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  Speaker 4: Your Ukrainian Wi-Fi is cutting out and it cut out
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  Speaker 4: at such a bad picture. I'm going to do you
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  Speaker 4: a favor and not show you what it's showing me.
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  Speaker 4: But you're back now. You're moving again now, but you weren't.
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  Speaker 4: But now you're all pixelated. So we're having some issue
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  Speaker 4: with your Wi-Fi, which I'm always amazed each week that
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  Speaker 4: we do this show that you are able to even connect.
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  Speaker 4: in this war. Your picture has not come back yet.
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  Speaker 4: There we go. Now your picture is back. Oh, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 4: You might want to choose a new network or a
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  Speaker 4: new Wi-Fi as we do this gay week. We are
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  Speaker 4: going to talk about international stories, of course, but there
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  Speaker 4: are a couple LGBTQ stories from the United States that
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to want to also touch on. They were
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  Speaker 4: in the ones you sent So I don't have to
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  Speaker 4: worry about you not knowing because they were in the
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  Speaker 4: ones you sent. But let's start with probably the biggest
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  Speaker 4: one from last week and now this week, which is Turkey.
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  Speaker 4: Turkey has now arrested 241. people nationwide, 82 placed in
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  Speaker 4: pretrial detention. The initial raids reportedly concentrated on transgendered women
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  Speaker 4: with authorities using, so once again, harming women, even transgendered ones,
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  Speaker 4: with authorities using allegations involving prostitution, drugs, and public morality.
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  Speaker 4: It's my kind of party. When people demonstrated in Ankara, Istanbul,
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  Speaker 4: and Izmir, another 125 protesters were arrested. Groups also report
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  Speaker 4: social media censorship targeting activists and journalists. The political escalation
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  Speaker 4: is that FIDH and Turkey's human rights associations are now
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  Speaker 4: calling on the EU to suspend Turkey's accession indefinitely. and
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  Speaker 4: to end the pre-accession funding. So explain a little, since
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  Speaker 4: you know about these things, what that means. Because I
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  Speaker 4: think what it means is Turkey wants to be a
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  Speaker 4: member of the EU and now based on their horrible behavior,
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  Speaker 4: there are groups saying, no, don't let them in the
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  Speaker 4: EU and take away any pre-EU funding or pre-accession funding
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  Speaker 4: that they may have because they're despicable people who do
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  Speaker 4: not align with our values. Am I sort of getting
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  Speaker 4: that right?
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  Speaker 6: The general picture is we want to join. They go, okay,
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  Speaker 6: meet these criteria. One of those is equality for LGBTQI
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  Speaker 6: plus people. They go, hold on a minute, hold on
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  Speaker 6: my beer. And then they oppress. EU hears about this,
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  Speaker 6: tells them accession is halting indefinitely. They probably don't like it.
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  Speaker 6: But that's just part of the deal of being part
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  Speaker 6: of the EU.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I've mentioned that this is the kind of pressure
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  Speaker 4: that countries need put upon them to actually change. So
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  Speaker 4: if Turkey really wants to be in the EU, and
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  Speaker 4: I assume they do, do you think this could soften
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  Speaker 4: the stance of... of Turkey against gays. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 4: what they're trying to go for here with this threat.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think it's effective? How badly do you think
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  Speaker 4: Turkey wants to be in the EU?
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  Speaker 6: We can take an analogous case to the earlier commentary today.
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  Speaker 6: So for the Russian Federation, sanctions are placed on specific
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  Speaker 6: people and industries associated or directly involved with funding or
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  Speaker 6: coordinating for the illegal aggression against Ukraine. Sanctions help. That's
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  Speaker 6: economic for political and military counter effect. On this case,
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  Speaker 6: you're dealing with morality and politics. You're saying this is
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  Speaker 6: against our values. You want to join the club, then
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  Speaker 6: you have to set in place equality for those people.
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  Speaker 6: You don't have to approve of what they do, but
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  Speaker 6: you have to give them equal rights within the society. Um,
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  Speaker 6: and that's basically what the, this amounts to. And I
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  Speaker 6: think at.
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  Speaker 4: The same time that Turkey does not really care about
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  Speaker 4: gay people. I don't know why they're doing this right now.
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  Speaker 4: Turkey historically has not been a terrible place for gays.
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  Speaker 4: We haven't been legally accepted or whatever, but there hasn't
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  Speaker 4: been violence against us. We haven't been arrested. They've sort
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  Speaker 4: of just looked over their laws and we all saw
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  Speaker 4: midnight express. So we know what goes on in their prisons. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: but yeah, and I'm only partially joking there. Um, So
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  Speaker 4: to me, I would like to ask the president of Turkey,
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  Speaker 4: why now? You know, why now? You want to join
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  Speaker 4: the EU. This is not the ideal time to be
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  Speaker 4: doing something that historically you haven't done. This is their
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  Speaker 4: worst crackdown on gays in the last decade or more.
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  Speaker 4: So they haven't, they're not known for this. And now
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  Speaker 4: suddenly they are. And it makes you wonder why. particularly
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  Speaker 4: since they want to join the EU. And I'm assuming
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  Speaker 4: they knew the stance of the EU on gay rights
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  Speaker 4: before asking to join, right?
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  Speaker 1: Of course.
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  Speaker 6: Of course. The operations that were set in place, it
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  Speaker 6: could have been a boulder you put down a hill
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  Speaker 6: and it sort of ran out of control and that
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  Speaker 6: you just have to follow that procedure following through. But
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  Speaker 6: even putting it in place in the first place makes
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  Speaker 6: little sense if you're trying to get EU accession. Maybe
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  Speaker 6: they thought they were immune. I mean, these are institutions,
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  Speaker 6: and institutions are comprised of people, and people miscalculate all
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  Speaker 6: the time. They have blind spots.
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  Speaker 4: Well, hopefully this is a miscalculation on their part, and
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  Speaker 4: they will release these people unharmed. Unharmed being the key word.
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  Speaker 4: But this has moved beyond a domestic LGBTQ rights dispute.
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  Speaker 4: Human rights groups are asking Europe to attach consequences to
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  Speaker 4: Turkey's relationship with the EU. And that's what I say
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  Speaker 4: here almost every week. Until there are consequences for everyone
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  Speaker 4: in the country from a group of people being discriminated against,
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  Speaker 4: change will never happen. Change happens when people don't like
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  Speaker 4: the consequences of their actions. You know, a child reaches
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  Speaker 4: for a hot pan, he gets burned, he doesn't reach
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  Speaker 4: for the hot pan again. Someone does something at school
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  Speaker 4: that gets socially panned by everybody, they won't do that again.
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  Speaker 4: So in order for anti-gay LGBTQ violence and persecution to end,
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  Speaker 4: you have to make the people do it pay a price.
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  Speaker 4: In this case, the EU is saying, the price you're
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  Speaker 4: going to pay is you will not have accession to
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  Speaker 4: the EU. And I'm not sure what pre-accession funding is.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what that is. I tried to find
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  Speaker 4: that in the story. But I guess prior to joining
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  Speaker 4: the EU, there's some sort of funding or some sort,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if the country gets funding or if
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  Speaker 4: they give funding or what, but they have asked that
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  Speaker 4: they end pre-accession funding. So I think Turkey might have
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  Speaker 4: been able to draw upon some EU funds, and now
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  Speaker 4: they're saying, no, you cannot draw upon those funds. At
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  Speaker 4: least that's what I get from the story.
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  Speaker 6: And it's a common retort of yours, which is very
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  Speaker 6: valid in pretty much every single case. Don't you have
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  Speaker 6: better things to do? Don't you have more serious problems
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  Speaker 6: in your society?
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  Speaker 4: I think they don't.
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  Speaker 6: These are very, very good universalized critique. It's like a
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  Speaker 6: universal asset somewhere.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I saw an American go off today about both
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  Speaker 4: the annihilation comment and the prices. And in his rant,
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  Speaker 4: I love this guy. You need to follow him. He's
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: always angry. He's always screaming and saying, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
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  Speaker 4: And his face is always red. He's going to stroke
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  Speaker 4: out on camera, but he's young. If he was my age,
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  Speaker 4: he would have been dead. But he said, you know.
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  Speaker 4: gas prices are $ 5 a gallon and, you know, food
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  Speaker 4: is horrible priced and truckers are going to go on strike. And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, he was listing all these things. He goes,
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  Speaker 4: but are you happy MAGA? Because trans people can't use
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  Speaker 4: the bathroom, you know? And so his point being Trump
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  Speaker 4: and MAGA have concentrated on all the wrong things. And meanwhile,
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  Speaker 4: the stuff that matters has come undone. Uh, and, and
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  Speaker 4: you've got to wonder with Trump, you know, well, why now?
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  Speaker 4: You know, I mean, Melania was just in the news yesterday, uh,
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  Speaker 4: his hooker wife. And, um, she was asked how she
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  Speaker 4: thinks his first term is going or second term is going.
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  Speaker 4: And she said, well, things are very different in the
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  Speaker 4: world now. And I think, you know, cause she talks
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  Speaker 4: like notorious and, uh, from, you know, from Bullwinkle. You,
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  Speaker 4: I hope you remember Bullwinkle. Uh, she talks like Boris
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  Speaker 4: Badenoff and Natasha. Yeah. Uh, Moose and Squirrel. She talks like, uh,
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  Speaker 4: Natasha from Moose, from, uh, Bullwinkle. But she's like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: things very bad in world right now, very different. And
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  Speaker 4: everyone's like, yeah, your husband caused all of that, you
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  Speaker 4: freaking hooker. But whatever. Shall we move on to Indonesia? Because, Scott,
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  Speaker 4: did you know, did you know that people like me,
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  Speaker 4: including me, I, me, I'm a national security threat?
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  Speaker 6: Of course.
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  Speaker 4: Did you know?
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  Speaker 1: Of course. Oh, you're the worst.
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  Speaker 3: I am.
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  Speaker 4: I might break in and redecorate something. That's good.
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  Speaker 6: Actually, honestly, I think we need more gay terrorism for
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  Speaker 6: better decor.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. Better fashion.
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  Speaker 1: Breaking news here at CNN.
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  Speaker 6: We're having just a fabulous.
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  Speaker 1: Fabulous Saturday day off here. We're just letting them just
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  Speaker 1: commit all sorts of.
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  Speaker 4: The gays are rioting. They have totally redecorated the East Wing,
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  Speaker 4: and they've reconstructed it. The gays have built the ballroom.
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  Speaker 1: They're dressing up like construction workers.
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  Speaker 4: And they're... And Indians, don't forget.
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  Speaker 6: And firemen.
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  Speaker 1: What is going on?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, don't forget the Native American that's in there. Of course, yes.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, Native Americans hate that character in Village People,
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  Speaker 4: but I don't blame them. He's a very nice guy, though,
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  Speaker 4: in real life. Met him the day Andrew died. We
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  Speaker 4: partied with him. It had nothing to do with Andrew's
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  Speaker 4: death that I'm aware of. Anyway, now this story, it
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  Speaker 4: really has an extraordinary piece of language in it that
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  Speaker 4: we need to remember. Indonesia's presidential regulation number 111 of
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  Speaker 4: 2025 clarifies the spread of LGBT culture as, quote, non-military
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  Speaker 4: threat to the state. And this labels it in the
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  Speaker 4: same category as domestic terrorism and all kinds of other untoward,
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  Speaker 4: you know, just untoward sort of things. So they're saying
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  Speaker 4: we're a national security threat that is not militarized. Maybe
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  Speaker 4: we should militarize. But we are a non-military threat to
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  Speaker 4: the state. Amnesty International Indonesia objects that this places LGBTQ
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  Speaker 4: culture in a security framework alongside threats such as terrorism, separatism,
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  Speaker 4: and radicalism. I know some radical queers. Important distinction. The
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  Speaker 4: regulation does not say that LGBTQ people themselves are terrorists, okay?
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: It doesn't say that. The criticism is that putting LGBTQ
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: culture into this national defense threat categorizes, it legitimizes discrimination
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: and potentially gives government institutions a national security rationale for
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: targeting just the expressions of being LGBTQ. So they're stopping
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: short of calling gay people terrorists. They're saying gay culture
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: is the national threat.
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, be gay, but stop being gay.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, how can a culture made up of gay people
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: be a threat if the gay people themselves are not?
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: Am I asking to make sense out of something that
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: makes no sense if that was going on here?
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  Speaker 4: You know, Pride Month was rough this year. We had
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: a lot of hate heaped upon us from Trump, from MAGA,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: and from other governments around the world. And if you
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: are a trans person, you are really going through a
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: particular type of hell right now. That's why when I
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: was thinking of my next single in June, I sat
• 22:17
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  Speaker 4: Keep fighting. Keep singing.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna win. All right, we are back with This
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Gay Week with Scott Jacobson, who is currently in the Ukraine.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: I have not heard you mention any kind of air
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: raids or alerts or sirens or anything like that.
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: They have been constant.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Oh, really?
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: In terms of, yeah, just before the call, we had one.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: By the way, I want to show you what I'm
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: looking at. Can you see what I'm looking at right there?
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Can you see what I'm looking at right there?
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: You see him lying in the... That's the troublemaker right there.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: That's Valentino Rose. He's the troublemaker. Oh, I woke the
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: sleeping giant. A true Valentino Rose. Okay, so that's him.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Before the break, we were talking about Indonesia and how Indonesia...
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: is basically trying to classify gay culture as a national
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: security threat along the lines of terrorism, but it does
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: not specifically label gay people terrorists. And of course, that's incongruous.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: It doesn't make sense. That's like saying Al-Qaeda is a
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: national security threat, but individual members of Al-Qaeda are not.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's dumb. But of course, all of these
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: anti-gay laws that we come across, they're not well written
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: and they are basically dumb. And I just want to
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: remind everyone that Indonesia is one of the most anti-gay
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: areas on the planet. And mostly because it is a
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: highly Muslim and not just Muslim, but very strict Muslim area. However...
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: I was reading more about this. It said that President
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Prabowo Subianto signed the presidential regulation back in 2025, classifying
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: the spread of gay culture as a non-military national security
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: threat grouped alongside terrorism, separatism, radicalism. It resurfaced publicly in
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: July 2026 after a student group at the University of
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Indonesia posted, then had censored, a factual note that the
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: APA doesn't classify homosexuality as a mental disorder. That triggered
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: backlash from Islamic scholars and lawmakers, plus doxing and stalking
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: of student journalists who covered Pride Month. And Amnesty International
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: is calling this an egregious act and is calling for
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: a repeal. So really what started this news surge was
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: some students posted a post saying, look, Being gay is
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: not classified as a mental disorder. It is not. No,
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: it's not. Although it'll drive some people crazy. It's mostly
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: not funny.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: That's the funny part.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't drive us crazy. It seems to drive
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: other people crazy. Isn't that something? That triggered backlash from
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Islamic scholars who then had to take this law from
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: 2026 and sort of hype it up. And that, of course,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: is sad. Amnesty International is calling for its repeal. I
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: don't see Indonesia coming into the 21st century for gay
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: rights anytime soon unless, this goes to what we spoke
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: about in the last story, unless administrations in other countries
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: inflict sanctions against them for this kind of rule. If
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: the US or the EU or other nations say, we're
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: not going to do business with you until you change that,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: then they'll change it. But until then, I don't see
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: anything really big happening, except Indonesia remaining a very, very
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: unsafe place to be gay and to be out, which
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: is sad because there's obviously a lot of gay out
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: people there. So it's sad. And they want our tourist dollars.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: So it's kind of sad.
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, like I was saying before the break, mid-sentence,
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: this wonderful series that we have is showing me, and
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: obviously I do more experience in Syria, just the wide
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: variety of ways countries have come up with and cultures
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: have come up with, so cultures being countries and then
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: state policy and law, to just not see fucking gay
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: people as equal human beings. I mean, I don't think
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: it's very complicated.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know what? We concentrate on the LGBTQ community.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: But might I say, in a lot of these countries,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: they don't treat women well either or other minorities. Let's
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: say in an Islamic country like Indonesia, they don't treat
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Christians well or they don't treat women well or they
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: don't treat gays well.
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: They don't treat children well.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, children, especially. They exploit them in labor and all
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: that or sexual trafficking of them. So while we concentrate
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: on the gays, you can bet in Turkey and Indonesia
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: and other countries that are very anti-gay, there are also
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: other minorities or even majorities, in women's cases sometimes, where
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: they are equally or even more oppressed than the gays.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: So we do just.
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: Concentrate on the gays. My colleague Rhianne Eisler, she funded
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: a partnership study. She's 95. She's a Holocaust survivor. but
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: did a book project working on another one. And she
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: actually makes a slight shift to sort of make sure
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: there's a little more accurate characterization that when you're having
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: a society that doesn't treat children well and doesn't treat
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: women well, so you're just dealing with adult men who
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: are being treated mostly well in many cases. And so
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: basically you're dealing with, in every case, most of humanity
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: doesn't even categorize in the societal rules, social, cultural, legal,
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: and otherwise, as human beings. This whole human being.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And it's sad. So here's something that's puzzling. This
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: next story. We have one minute and 35 seconds in this.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: So we'll just wait a minute for this next story.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: But it's really puzzling. I'm going to go to the
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: one from Colombia, just so you know where we're going.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: We're traveling around the globe, globetrotting. We went to Turkey.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: Then we went to Indonesia. Now we're going to go
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: to Colombia, and not for cocaine, but for other things.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: We'll talk about this story when we come back with Scott.
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• 29:37
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• 29:39
  Speaker 4: in season... Leone for the last four weeks, the entire show,
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: every day, every day. I don't understand it. I don't
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: get it. I would love it if some of you
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: in Sierra Leone that are listening reached out and let
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: me know who you are. why you're listening, how you're listening.
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  Speaker 4: I don't believe Apple's chart at all, but Apple's chart says,
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: today it said, congratulations, for four weeks, you've been charting
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  Speaker 4: high in Sierra Leone. If this keeps up, I may
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: have to move. Well, you know, I'm sure. although it's
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: a pretty anti-gay place. All right, we'll be right back
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: to talk about Columbia. It's not good. Actually, it's odd.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: It's odd, and the timing is odd, and we're going
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: to talk about what they did when we come back
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• 32:00
  Speaker 4: from Around the World. Scott, we're going off to Colombia. Alexa,
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: is Maluma from Colombia?
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: He was born in Medellin, Medellin. Thank you, Alexa, shut up. Alexa,
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: shut up. Oh, she gets on my nerves. Anyway, I
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: find it hard to believe that a country that gave
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: us Maluma, that Madonna sang about, is doing what it's doing,
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: but it is. Colombia's government has withdrawn from the Equal
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Rights Coalition, an international grouping promoting LGBTQ rights. And Colombia
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: wasn't just a member. They were the co-president. And that
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: role was scheduled to go until February 2027. The LGBTQ
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: organization Caribe Afirmativa calls the withdrawal a major reversal of
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: Colombia's international leadership. The broader context reported by Colombia reports
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: is that President Abelardo de la Espriella's government has adopted
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: opposition to what it calls gender ideology, while the president
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: and several cabinet members oppose adoption by gay couples. Columbia
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: went from helping lead an international LGBTQ rights coalition to
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: withdrawing of it. Now, Scott, is it me or is
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: there no real reason listed? I've searched four stories for
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: a definitive answer as to why Columbia did this, and
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: I can't seem to find a definitive statement from their
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: president or anyone as to why it did it.
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: So Dylan Esprit, apparently he's a highly conservative individual, and
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: so to distinguish himself from the previous administration of Gustavo Petro,
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: I could see Esprit trying to have a distinguishing factor
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: by just removing himself. It just seems political more than
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: anything else because if you just waited four or five months,
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: the term ends and you could drop out then, and
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: it's less noteworthy. But if you want to make a
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: sort of dramatic political effect and distinguish yourself from the
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: prior administration, that's one big move you can do.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: He sounds like a closeted queen because only a closeted
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: queen would make such a dramatic exit. You know, you
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: could have just let it run out. But no, we're
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: leaving now and we're taking our toys with us. It's like, really, queen?
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: You don't even know.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: It's like, dude, you're the president of Medellin. You've got
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: bigger fish to fry. And the sad part is up
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: until this, up until today. Colombia has been on the
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: top 10 list of places for LGBTQ people to retire, Medellin.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: It ranks high. And now, of course, it won't. The
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: other thing that he's doing, and you're right, he stacked
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: his cabinet with far-right figures and reportedly fired his planning
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: chief because his planning chief adopted a child with his
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: male partner. So his planning chief was gay, adopted a child.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: This guy comes out with this new withdrawal from the
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: commission and fires the guy that's gay and adopted a child.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: His government frames it as a ditching a legacy policy
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: of the prior administration. I have to tell you that's
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: what's going on in our country. The only reason Donald
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: Trump and MAGA are so anti-gay is because Joe Biden,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: Kamala Harris, Barack Obama, Gavin Newsom, because all of the
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: biggest Democrats are so pro-gay. So as a way to
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: show their opposition to Democrats and Democratic policies, they went
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: for the easiest ones first. They threw gays under the bus.
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: That's a good point about Harris and Obama and Newsom.
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: I mean, each of them are oriented that way. I mean,
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: but it's a standard political move also of treating voters
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: as pawns in some instances.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but Biden had Pete Buttigieg as his transportation secretary,
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: an openly gay man. You know, and he had many
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: other openly gay members of his staff, as did Obama,
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: as did Clinton. You know, so this is a way
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: for Donald Trump to distance himself from democratic policies. That's
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: why he went after DEI. That is seen as a
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: democratic policy. And now the president of Colombia is basically
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: doing the same thing.
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• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, Lordy, I cannot stop yawning. I hope I don't
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: yawn on camera. Amber did not sleep well last night.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: There was wind. Oh, I said that word. But anyway,
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  Speaker 4: and out of the bed at 3, and then we
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• 38:13
  Speaker 4: here on The Carell Show, I think it was maybe
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: Monday or Tuesday, today being Thursday, I spoke about the
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: algorithm and how in Australia they are actually trying to
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: make a law that says no algorithm. to where social
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: media companies have to give you the option to turn
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: off the algorithm and not have it learn and not
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: have it suggest. And they're doing that to protect children
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: mostly because children are getting things into their feed that
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: are detrimental and that are not of the values of
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: of the parents or of other people. I mentioned that
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: Scott Jacobson, who is live in Kiev, because the story
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: that we are about to cover not only is sad,
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: but in the story, they reference the algorithm and the
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: fact that the manosphere is being served up to young boys,
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: kids that are 14, 15, 16 years of age. They're
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: seeing this toxic masculinity, and it is changing their views.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: In Australia, on the BBC, they quoted, they were doing
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: this about women. Misogyny is on the rise in Australia.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: 28% of kids under the age of 20 think that
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: men should be the head of household that feminism is
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: radical and harmful to society that women should not vote
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: and their man should do it for them this is
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: almost 30% of the kids that were surveyed and in
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: Australia they are directly blaming that on the algorithm well
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: As we see from this next story, it's a worldwide problem.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: The Netherlands, which is seen as one of the most
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: gay accepting places on the planet, Dutch boys, which just
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: saying that reminds me of the logo, little Dutch boy,
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: but Dutch boys, their approval of LGBTQ people has, now
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: these are kids under the age of 16, 12 to
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: 16 years of age, The approval has gone from 40%
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: just a year ago to, or I'm sorry, just five
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: years ago, 40% in 2021. Now in 2026, it's 22%,
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: an 18% decrease in the accepting. Now amongst girls, it's declined,
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: but it still remains high. From girls, it's gone from
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: 78% to 51%. Researchers described this reversal after decades of
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: increasing acceptance as unfortunate and say it's young people's exposure
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: to increasingly hostile discourse, including the online manosphere, although that
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: is an interpretation of what's driving the change. rather than
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: proof of a single cause. So we should be careful
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: about that. Prime Minister Rob Jetton, who is gay and
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: is going to marry his male partner, calls the figure
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: shocking and says his government will do everything it can
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: to examine the role of social media and the role
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: of social media companies in this. But don't you agree
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: that this is a much bigger problem? The algorithm is
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: radicalizing people. There's no two ways about it.
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's, to your point,
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: a single cause. I mean, most of these things, especially
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: in social and cultural life, are multivariate. My friend actually
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: met Jetham, or Jetham, and so singing his praises, she was,
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: so that's a good sign.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's cute, he's nice, he's handsome.
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: That's right, the Pete Buttigieg of the Netherlands. So, the
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: general thing here is we shouldn't expect infinite growth of equality,
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: either in perception or in policy. As we see with
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: the policy stuff, it's a little more clear, and legal
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: stuff is actually an even more clear cut. So when
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: it comes to social life, you're going to get hiccups too,
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: and this is a hiccup. The question really for me
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: is not that it is there, it's that, okay, it's here.
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: Is this going to be a long-term trend, medium-term trend,
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: or a short-term trend?
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: Well, and my question is, are these kids going to
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: grow up to be homophobes? You know, 12 to 16,
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: you know, you form opinions. But then as you grow older,
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: you realize, you know, look, when I was 16, I
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: can't even, you know, there's no way that I believe
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: everything now that I believed when I was 16. Thank God.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: Now that I'm how many times? Oh, dear. Four. Oh, Lord.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: I'm almost four times. I'll be 64 this year. Oh,
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: sweet Jesus.
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: Jesus.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Uh, so, um, we'll see. I hope, it is my
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: hope that worldwide we get a hold of this algorithm. It's,
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: it's starting to be very damaging to society, uh, of
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: all kinds. And so I'm hoping we, we get a
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: hold of it. Um, the BBC story you sent, um,
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: about older gays having to sometimes go back into the closet, uh,
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: or lie, that sort of thing. Um, It's important and
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: I want to discuss it. But I think there's a
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: larger issue at play. And that is we don't take
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: care of our aging well. We don't respect our elders.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: We don't listen to our elders. We try to treat
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: them like children and tell them, you know. And now
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: in the UK, it would appear that women... In particular,
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: the story is, there was a woman quoted, she's part
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: of England's older LGBTQ community, which a new report suggests
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: often experiences poorer health outcomes, more limited finances, and greater
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: social isolation than the wider older population. I would like
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: to see more research as to why that is. Why
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: are gay older people experiencing this? Is it homophobia? Is
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: it the age group? In other words, old people are
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: set in their ways. And when, you know, people that
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: are 70, 80, and 90, a lot of them were
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: very anti-gay. And even if they weren't anti-gay, the Brits,
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: they were older Brits, 70, 80, 90-year-olds. They're very, keep
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: that to yourself. We don't want to talk about it.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: We don't want to see it. We don't want to
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: hear it. You can be what you want to be,
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: but we don't want you to be that publicly. You know,
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: you can what you do behind your closed doors is
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: your business, but we don't want to support you publicly.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: So I. Yeah, I think it's generational, really, but it's sad.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: Getting old is hard enough. It's isolating enough and it's
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: scary enough. And now if you're gay and you're getting older,
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: it's even harder. That's not a fun thing to hear.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: I mean, most of the older people that I know
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: have been older women, and there's the general experience of
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: basically fading into the background, socially and otherwise.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, not just gay. Not just gay, just older women, period.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: I'll give you case in point. New movie coming out
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: this weekend. I really want to see it. It's got
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: a dog in it. But it's Brad Pitt. Now, Brad
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Pitt was born just months after me. I'm born November 1962.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: He's born December 1963. So this year, he will be
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: 63 years old. I'm 63 now. But we're that month,
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: so I'll be 64 when he's 63, but by a month.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Brad Pitt has two, not one, but two movies coming
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: out in the next few months. He's got this one
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: with Odin the dog, which I find it so amusing
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: that in the marketing campaigns at the bottom in small
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: print on every ad, it says, not a spoiler, the
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: dog doesn't die. And they're doing that because countless people
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: said they will not go see the movie if the
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: dog dies. They just can't take it. They don't care
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: if Brad Pitt dies, but if the dog dies, they're
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: not going. So he's got the movie Heart of the
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: Beast coming out. And then he's got the Once Upon
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: a Time in Hollywood sequel coming out where they took
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: his character, that stuntman sort of, hey, the doofy stuntman
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: is getting his own movie. And Brad Pitt is 63.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: How many 63-year-old actresses are still top of the call
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: sheet getting movies in this quantity? And the answer would
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: be not many. So the double standard is illustrated right there.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: In Hollywood, women are... And I guarantee you, if Brad
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: Pitt has a love interest in either movie, they're going
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: to be half his age. But when they cast older women,
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: they make them go out with older men. Heaven forbid
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: a 65-year-old woman should date a 30-year-old in a movie.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, heaven forbid. But a man, not a problem.
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: So it's not just, you know, it's everywhere. We expect
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: women to fade into the background.
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: They should do a romantic comedy with Madonna and Cher.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. Well, they didn't do one together. Well, you
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: talk about Cher, Witches of Eastwick, where Jack Nicholson was
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: like 7,000 years old, and yet he wanted all three
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: of the witches to sleep with him. He was supposed
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: to be Satan or whatever, but he wanted all three
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: of the witches. And, you know, Cher was one of
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: the witches. I don't know if you've ever seen The
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: Witches of Eastwick. but Cher was one of the witches,
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: and he has a scene with her in the bedroom.
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: She will not get in the bed, by the way.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: She's like, you're fucking kidding me, right? I ain't jumping
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: in there. I don't care that you are Satan. Screw
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: yourself if you're Satan. But again, we do expect older,
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: and not just women, though. I really think we expect
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: people over the age of 70 to just become invisible.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: In Hollywood, in the workforce, in social circles, we just...
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: sort of expect them to fade away. And that's why
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: I have recorded the new song, I Am Still Fabulous,
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: and why it's coming out soon. And the opening verse
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: of that song is, thank you for caring, thank you
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: for sharing, thank you for telling me who you think
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: I should be. But what if your vision of me
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: is not who I have inside? You often label me
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: and you try to push me aside. But I'm still
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: the dreamer I was as a teen. I'm still a believer,
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: the best yet unseen, because I'm still fabulous. And I
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: wrote that because of people asking me, why are you
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: doing dance music in your 60s? And I said, because
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: I'm still fucking fabulous. That's why. And so I think
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: it's not just a problem in the gay community. But
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: it is sad that in the UK, we have LGBTQ
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: people who actually have to lie about their gayness or
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: their partners or whatever to get accepted or to get benefits.
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: That is really, really sad. All right. We've gone to
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: the UK, we've gone to Colombia, we've gone to Turkey. Now,
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: let's go someplace I never wanted to go, Uganda. Do
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: you want to tell us what's going on in Uganda?
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: Sure. Okay, Uganda. For this one, yeah, so Freedom House
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: says Uganda is basically not free.
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. Freedom House says Uganda isn't. Yeah. Yeah.
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: Any house is not free in Uganda, according to Freedom House.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: Well, they're assessed on a scale of 0 through 100.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: Uganda got 33 out of 100 overall. That's not just
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: for gay people. That's for any person. And it got
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: a 10 out of 40 for political rights and a
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: 23 out of 60 for civil liberties, resulting in it
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: is a not-free classification. Now, LGBTQ rights are just one
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: of the components of that assessment. In Uganda, as we
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: have covered in 2023, they did an anti-homosexuality act, which
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: provides severe criminal penalties for aggravated homosexuality.
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: Which, it sounds like they were having fun.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I can be a pretty aggravating gay depending upon
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: who's talking to me.
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: Do you think, do you think it, just a question.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: By the way, we're laughing, but aggravated homosexuality, that charge
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: in Uganda carries the death penalty. Okay. Yeah.
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: You know, this stuff is bad.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: It should end. And it also criminalizes the promotion of homosexuality.
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: You can't run around going, I am gay. You should
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: be too. You know, that, that would be frowned upon,
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: I guess.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: I'm assuming homosexuality is akin to a non-military threat.
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you've heard we are a threat to national security.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: Freedom House, though, points to broader problems than just the
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: gay issue in Uganda involving opposition, politics, civil society, media freedom,
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: which we will talk in the next segment because you're
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: a member of the journalist and you're a member of
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: the media, which you take really seriously. And I want
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: to talk to you about what Trump did this week here.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: So don't say Uganda is rated not free solely because
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: of its treatment of LGBTQ people. That's not the only
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: reason for they're not free.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: It's a pillar.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, will you talk for a moment?
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: I have to pick up a dog. Tina will not
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: stop trying to get up on my lap.
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: So we're going to be jumping to our next story
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: following from Uganda.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: After this break. Come on, say after this break.
• 52:31
  Speaker 6: After this lovely break.
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: We will be jumping to a new story out of Uganda,
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: even though they are facing online entrapment, doxing, hacking, harassment,
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: and criminal prosecution. The social media activity that promotes being gay.
• 52:46
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• 53:39
  Speaker 4: It is an unwritten rule of the universe that whenever
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: a dog wants love, you have to stop whatever you
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: are doing in life and give it to them. So I... Obviously,
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: that includes shows. All right. Are you ready to get down, boy?
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: You've been up here through the whole break, okay? You
• 53:54
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• 53:55
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: Scott Jacobson's with me in Ukraine. We are talking this
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: gay week. Freedom House says Uganda's not free. Before I
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: ask you about media, we have a story out of Liverpool.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: There was a stabbing outside of a gay bar, 6.35 a.m.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: Sunday morning, which is, what, after hours, I guess, from
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: Saturday night? I've been out at 6.30 in the morning.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: I have.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: Following an apparent altercation, believed, to have occurred outside of G-Bar,
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: an LGBTQ venue in Liverpool. Two victims were hospitalized in
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: stable conditions. Third suffered minor injuries. Police recovered a suspected
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: weapon and increased their presence in the area while seeking
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: the perpetrator. I want to be very careful here. I'd
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: love to label this a hate crime. It probably was
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: a hate crime, but we don't know that yet. We
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: don't know the motive for the stabbing They could have
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: just been having an altercation or one of them might
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: have known another. We don't know that. It seems like
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: it might be a hate crime, whereas there was a
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: stabbing outside of a gay bar, but it may not
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: be an anti-gay stabbing. We're not sure yet. But we
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: have seen an increase in violence around the globe against gays.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: So I would not be surprised. Also in Texas, in
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: South Lake, Texas, a church, St. Martin's in the Fields
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: Episcopal Church. Last year, they had a little gay pride
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: festival type thing. 2,500 people showed up. They did not
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: expect that. They expected under 1,000. So this year, they
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: decided to get it permitted because anything over 1,000, you
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: need a permit. And the one city planning and zoning
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: commission recommended approval and said, OK, sure. But the city council,
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: without any kind of public discourse or disclosure, seven to
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: zero voted no. And they have not commented publicly why
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: they voted no. But it's Texas. I think we know why.
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: There's a good quote there, Reverend Alan Bentroop. who leads St.
• 56:00
  Speaker 6: Martin in the Field in Southlake stated, quote, we believe
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: God's love is for everyone. We do this because of
• 56:04
  Speaker 6: the gospel, not in spite of it. We believe our
• 56:07
  Speaker 6: LGBT neighbors belong in this community and to God. So,
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: but the not giving commentary for why or having public input,
• 56:21
  Speaker 6: always very suspicious.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: We'll end with one positive story here. out of Hungary,
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: and that is that after Viktor Orban's government left office
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: earlier this year, the government of Peter Magyar introduced legislation
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: to remove language specifically targeting gay people from Hungary's child
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: protection laws. Those provisions had been used to restrict gay
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: material and pride gatherings. The Court of Justice of the
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: European Union ruled against Hungary's restrictions, finding them incompatible with
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: EU law and values. Megar has additionally said his government
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: intends to examine repeal of Hungary's restrictions on adoptions by
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: unmarried people, which, of course, excludes same-sex couples because they
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: don't recognize same-sex marriage. So if a same-sex couple wants
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: to adopt, there's a law that says unmarried people can't.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: and he wants to get that repealed as well. So
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: Hungary is becoming a prime example of how quickly things
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: can change when a new regime is put in place.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: And I'll just rush right through this because I want
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: to get to a story out of the United States.
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: Anthony Fauci is going to be recognized for his work
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: in the AIDS era. The Equality Forum is launching the
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: US LGBTQ History Month observance and presenting Anthony Fauci with
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: its International Role Model Award. Now, you may not know this, Scott,
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: but we all weren't happy with the way Fauci handled AIDS. Okay,
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: it wasn't... At the time, he didn't do the best job. But...
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: he did do everything he could to fight the stigma
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: of AIDS being labeled a gay disease. He was very
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: adamant that diseases don't have sexual orientations. So, on that respect,
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: he did okay. But the response, the amount of time
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: it took for drugs, investigative drugs, to get to market
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: and all those other things... some gray area on Fauci
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: and AIDS, but he did try to fight the stigma
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: of it being a gay disease. So I will give
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: that to him. And by the way, the person that
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: is presenting this award to him is actually an activist
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: movement that once confronted him over his treatment on AIDS.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: So their evolution from adversaries to collaborators as part of
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: the history of how AIDS activism has changed the American
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: Medicine Society. So as I said, we all weren't happy
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: with him back then. It wasn't a big kumbaya sort
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: of moment. But he did do a lot. and he
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: should be commended for it because he did try to
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: remove the stigma of persons with AIDS. And, you know,
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: touching them was okay and you're not going to get
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: it from just hugging. So, you know, he did his best,
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: you know. It wasn't good enough at times.
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: Even Eddie Murphy had a joke about this.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: Pardon?
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Even Eddie Murphy.
• 59:30
  Speaker 6: I made a joke in one of the specials incorporating
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: some of those stereotypes. He goes to the doctor, kissing
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: the lips, and he says, you have AIDS. He's like, what?
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: But I'm not homosexual. He goes, sure, you're not homosexual, Mr. So-and-so.
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: And that's kind of building off that it's unsafe to touch.
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: So it's even getting into very talented people's comedy routines.
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: In the 80s, I did what Madonna did. I hugged people,
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: touched them. I laid in their hospital beds with them.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: Madonna did the same thing, uncredited. She just went to
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: hospitals in the 80s and laid with AIDS patients, touched them.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: Nurses wouldn't. I had to help give a lumbar puncture
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: to my late husband because the nurse would not help
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: the doctor, so he told me to glove up and
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: help him, and I did. It was a bad time.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: In our last minute here, Scott, CNN, MSNOW, and Politico
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: banned by Donald Trump from the White House. So the
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: entire White House press pool is no longer Fox, ABC,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: CBS said, if you're going to ban them, we're not coming.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: So now he doesn't have cameras in front of him
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: all day, every day. As a member of the media,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: how say you?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: I stand in solidarity with those who are standing in
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: solidarity with those who were banned. I covered this in
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: another segment of the podcast. And Yeah, it's wrong. It's
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: bad on press freedom. The United States has the lowest
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: it's ever been, according to the reporters at the borders,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: in its press freedom since they've done the ranking. It's
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: less than here.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's less than some eastern block. I mean, yeah,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: it's bad. And then, I know we've got to go.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: I am Karel.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: If you want to be something to hurt anybody, thank
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: you to Scott Jacobson and the Ukraine for this K-Week.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: And now, if the reporters are other places, like the UN,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: he's saying, why are you here? Why are you here? Like,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: he can ban them from everything. You know, he is
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: just such a narcissist. He is such a man. All right,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: stay safe over there for me, okay?
• 1:01:25
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• 1:01:29
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